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Speaker 1: Everybody. It's Bill Courtney with an army and normal folks.

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Speaker 1: And we continue now with part two of our conversation

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Speaker 1: with Father Marcana right after these brief messages from.

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Speaker 2: Our generous lage.

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Speaker 1: As an aside, we'll pick your story up from there.

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Speaker 1: But as an aside, you know, name that there's a

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Speaker 1: what color you are, how you vote. The Great Depression

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Speaker 1: was a part of that generation's consciousness. For horror was

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Speaker 1: eleven it's part of that generation's consciousness. But there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a thing. I fear that there are people graduating

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Speaker 1: I fear they will forget because we can't lose consciousness

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Speaker 1: of the lessons, the heroism, the requirement for vigilance. What's

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Speaker 3: Actually, I've been thinking about that because I cannot imagine

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Speaker 4: It changed the way we live out life completely.

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Speaker 3: And that day when three thousand people die, I witness

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Speaker 1: So I can't imagine attending forty four funerals some of

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Speaker 3: In the beginning after nine to eleven, Yan the moment

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Speaker 3: This hardship that I'm going through right now, I'm going

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what really happening. And it felt to the

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm a Presbyterian, alex is a Catholic. There's some

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Speaker 1: is that an important word? Meaning the police are chasing me?

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Speaker 3: Coptic people actually Christian people in Egypt. They believe that exactly.

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Speaker 1: The Coptic people are a minority.

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Speaker 1: Yes? Are they is there prejudiced against the Coptic people,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely they are.

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Speaker 4: Actually it is a struggle.

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Speaker 1: So when you hear the generalization that all those Muslims

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, and matter of fact, we're always trying to

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Speaker 3: We actually have the Church, in the dogma of the Church,

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Speaker 1: So is this entire story just divinity in your life?

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Speaker 1: If you can't listen to that and understand the power

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Speaker 1: I love that it's a normal folks medal, Alex. We

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Father Mark. You know, I've done a lot of these

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Speaker 1: And you've done it to me, my friend. You're bravery

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Speaker 5: You I'm clear about the timeline.

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Speaker 6: There one building was hit at a forty five one

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Speaker 1: All right? So building one was hit first, Building two

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Speaker 3: I think in building one was hit about eight forty

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Speaker 3: It seemed like the impact was stronger.

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Speaker 4: Twenty seven exactly.

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Speaker 5: And then how how much later was the collapse?

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Speaker 4: How much what?

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Speaker 5: What time did the collapse start happening?

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Speaker 4: About nine something nine fifty six.

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Speaker 1: Nine fifty six.

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Speaker 5: So what even an hour?

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Speaker 4: For about it less than one hour.

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Speaker 6: So I was talking with somebody on the phone and

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Speaker 6: the second tower being hit because it went it didn't

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Speaker 5: That's my memory of the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: There's also one theory because later on after building collapse,

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Speaker 1: last question and we'll end it after you answer this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what is the most important thing you want people to

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Speaker 1: remember about your two bodies that you had to leave

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Speaker 1: on the eighty eighth when you carried Mo down. What

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Speaker 1: do you what do you want to what tribute would

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Speaker 1: you like all of our listeners to know about those

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Speaker 1: two men?

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Speaker 3: To honor Mo Lips, to honor Frankie Martin, and pull

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Speaker 3: or thisz I love to help others. Those two people

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Speaker 3: a good example to me personally, inspire me how they

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Speaker 3: put their life together for others, and that's something very

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Speaker 3: important in our culture. Actually, how beautiful all of us

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Speaker 3: to help one another, take care of another. And Frank

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Speaker 3: de Martin and pul Or this really did show us

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Speaker 3: that in nine to eleven, really how to give your

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Speaker 3: life not only help others, but they basically give the

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Speaker 3: life for others here. And that's what I always remember,

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Speaker 3: Frankdi Martin and bor Ordz that always when I remember them,

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Speaker 3: I remember that how they were able to help others,

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Speaker 3: go out to they or others, and that's exactly my

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Speaker 3: job as a priest, and inspire me how to serve others,

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Speaker 3: how to tell brother I love. One of my favorite

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Speaker 3: version in the Bible said, actually for the son of

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Speaker 3: men did not come to be served, but to serve.

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Speaker 3: I feel Frankly Martini basically was a good example and

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Speaker 3: polarize helping other tickink of others. I am imagining on

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Speaker 3: my mind to kid the magic of our society, all

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Speaker 3: of us here trying to give a hand to others,

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Speaker 3: help others, and hear others. It's helping other by hearing

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Speaker 3: somebody talk to somebody, sharing your thoughts with somebody, actually

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Speaker 3: tabbing on somebody is smiling at somebody. I think our

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Speaker 3: life here on earth would be a.

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Speaker 1: Heaven, just an army of normal folks trying to help

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Speaker 1: one another.

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 3: That's I love this, beautiful go I love it very

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Speaker 3: much because I love the idea of arm of normal folks.

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Speaker 4: Really, because that's good. Thank you so much, good will.

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Speaker 1: Father Mark, Thanks for coming to Memphis and sharing your story.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here today. I I will never forget

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Speaker 1: this conversation. And I appreciate you being willing to dive

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Speaker 1: back into the darkness of some things that were demons

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Speaker 1: in your life to share with us so that we

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Speaker 1: understand the story and don't forget. But most importantly, thank

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Speaker 1: you for serving humanity in the way that you do.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how if I can listen to

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Speaker 1: this and not be all struck and inspired. And it

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Speaker 1: is with so much humility that thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, and thank you Gooch. Well.

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Speaker 3: Finally, I want to also thank my family. I want

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Speaker 3: to thank my beautiful family, my wife Dina, and my

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Speaker 3: beautiful kids, Mark and Becky, because Dina did a lot

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Speaker 3: they're in nine to eleven to give me this emotionless

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Speaker 3: support and thank God for that. Yet I want to

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Speaker 3: thank also my church forgive me the support, specially Father

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Speaker 3: Bishar Dmitry, my spiritual father. Really he did really help

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Speaker 3: me a lot and help me to overcome this hardship,

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Speaker 3: to turn the hardship into become something new. I have

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Speaker 3: a sure about how to deal with hardship. Can I

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Speaker 3: share it quickly with please? A story in about you

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Speaker 3: and I read it and that really gives me so

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Speaker 3: much about it. Collectually in life, he can be either

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Speaker 3: a carrot or an egg or a coffee. You can

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Speaker 3: be what a carrot, a carrot, or an egg or

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Speaker 3: a coffee. Okay, And that story actually inspired me so much.

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Speaker 3: Here and a very young woman came to her mother said, Mommy,

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Speaker 3: I'm really struggling in my life. How can I deal

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Speaker 3: with the hardship? He said, my daughter, you know what,

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Speaker 3: you always going to fix hardship. So she took her

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Speaker 3: daughter to the kitchen and she had the boiling water,

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Speaker 3: a boiling water presenting the hardship that comes on your life,

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Speaker 3: said my daughter, guess what, See the carrot looks rigid

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Speaker 3: and strong. Once she put the cat in that water.

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Speaker 3: What happened to it, it becomes soft. Don't be soft.

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Speaker 3: Tell you what about the eggs, Mommy said, Look, when

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Speaker 3: you take the eggs, you put the eggs in the

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Speaker 3: hot water.

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Speaker 4: The eggs.

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Speaker 3: Actually what happened, the eggs inside become hardened. Do not

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Speaker 3: allow the hardship to make you hardened. But the coffee

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Speaker 3: is beautiful. The coffee. When they put some coffee dot water,

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Speaker 3: it changed the color. It changed the coffee itself, and

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Speaker 3: all of us will live on coffee, how beautiful, always

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Speaker 3: left to be a good coffee and coffee perfect perfect.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being here, well, thank you so much. I'm

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Speaker 3: honored to meet with you. And I think Alex said

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Speaker 3: everybody here, thank you for coming.

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Speaker 1: God bless you, God bless you, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us this week. If Father Mark Hannah has inspired

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Speaker 1: you in general, which I don't know how he couldn't

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Speaker 1: possibly have done that, or if he's inspired you better

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Speaker 1: yet to take action by acting heroically in your community,

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Speaker 1: please let me know. I'd love to hear about it.

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Speaker 1: You can write me anytime at Bill at Normalfolks dot us,

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Speaker 1: and I promise you I will respond. If you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: grow an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney reminding

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