1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Unplaying this Forgotten Seasons? 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 2: What is up everybody? 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. This is 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 3: your host, Dylan Dreyfuss. Today we are honing in on 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 3: a rare bright spot in twenty first century Knicks basketball. 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 3: We got the twenty thirteen Knicks with their starting point 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 3: guard Raymond Felton. This roster was crazy fun. In the 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 3: middle of everything was Carmelo Anthony having the best season 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: of his career. We got Tyson, Chandler j R. Smith, 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: Jason Kidd, Rashid Wallace, Kenyon, Martin, Steve Novak, Marcus Camby. 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 3: Just an electric, well rounded squad that was really good. 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: They won fifty four games, had the number three offense 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 3: in the league, and finished as the two seed in 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: the East behind the Miami Heat. Just to put this 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: Knicks team into perspective, since we entered the New Millennium 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: in two thousand, no other Knicks team has won fifty games, 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: No other Knicks team has won a playoff series, and 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 3: this squad's six playoff victories are more than the other 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 3: twenty nixt seasons since two thousand combined. So to say 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: that this team meant a lot and honestly still means 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 3: a lot to Knicks fans is an understatement. They ended 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: up getting bounced in the second round by the Pacers 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: Paul George, David West, Roy Hibbert, but despite that, it 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: was such a fun year and this team just really 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: captured the hearts of the city. Let's get into the 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: interview now, but before we do, a reminder to throw 27 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: the podcast a rating and a review if you find 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: yourself coming back. Also, be sure to check out the 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: rest of the Showtime Basketball lineup KG Certified, What's burning 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: all the Smoke? We got the Iverson Classic coming up 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: later in April, so be sure to tap into the 32 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: whole rotation if you are not already forgotten seasons with 33 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: Ray Felton on the twenty thirteen Knicks begins right now. 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to Ray Felton. Ray, how's it going, man? 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Man? How about yourself? 36 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: Can't complain? Can't complain? 37 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: We're getting into the twenty thirteen next season. A fan favorite, 38 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: one of the rare bright spots in Madison Square Garden 39 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: these past twenty years. Ray, to start, I just got 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: to ask you, man, in your eyes, what is nixtape? 41 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: Mixtape is just it's about It's about a brotherhood. Man. 42 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: It's about family, it's about you know, just that just 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: that hard the hard bread just nicked basketball man. And 44 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: to me, you know, when I when I got there, 45 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Baron Davis was the one who kind of started it 46 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: to kind of put it out there. You know. Then 47 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, used to always hear Emon Schumpert, you know, 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: say it all the time, and then you know, it's 49 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: just something that just kind of stuck with our team 50 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: with that year and just everybody was just using that, 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: blasting that, so it just became it became a thing. 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: It became part of, you know, the Knicks culture. So 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, it was Oh no, I can't give you 54 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: an exact answer on where it came from, but I 55 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: just remember the guys who kind of started it, and 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, we just kind of took it from there. 57 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: Guys started get it getting close made with Knicks tape 58 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: on it, you know, so you know it was fun. 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: It was fun. 60 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we still hear it today. 61 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: That has not gone anywhere, and it's obviously kind of 62 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: the title of this season. Everyone talks about Nick's tape, 63 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: sort of winding back, starting with you a few years 64 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: prior you're on the Knicks in twenty ten to eleven, 65 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: and you get traded to Denver in that Carmelo Anthony trade. 66 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: So talk me through just like coming back that summer. 67 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: Why did you want to come back to a team 68 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: that had just traded you just a few years prior. 69 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: Was there anybody on the Knicks, whether it's players or 70 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: front office people who are really really recruiting you. 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: At that time? 72 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: How does that whole process go down summer of twenty twelve. 73 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I talked to a few guys during 74 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: that time. Man, I talked I love, I talked to Amari, 75 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. With me and Coach Wilson 76 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: had a great conversation. It's just one of those things 77 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: where I loved it there. You know, one of my 78 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: best seasons and not the best season I've had, you 79 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: know during my career was in New York. The fans 80 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: loved me and it was just great times there. So 81 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get back to that place, get 82 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: back to that feeling after such a you know, up 83 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: and down, you know, not a great season that I 84 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: had in Portland. So I just want to get back 85 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: to a happy place, you know what I'm saying. So, 86 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was hurtful man, that trade. Man, 87 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: it did it hurt me because I really feel like 88 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't have to happen, because I felt 89 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: like my boy Meloe was going to come there no 90 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: matter what. You know, he was going to come there. 91 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: But you know, it was just it was a roll 92 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: of the dice. It might have been like a little 93 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: panicking situation where they were just trying to make sure 94 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 1: that they did get them, and you know, things happen. 95 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: That's the game of basketball. I understand it, you know, 96 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: just being around it as long as I was. It's 97 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: a business. I get it. Oh, it was no love 98 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: lungs man, you know, I understood it. You know. It 99 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: was out upset of course. Yeah. You know, I was 100 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: having one of my best seasons. We was playing, We 101 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: was rocking, you know, you know, we we had we 102 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: had to guard a rocket at that time. Man. It 103 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: was fun. You know, we had a lot of young guys. 104 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: I was still young, Marie was having an all star season. 105 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: Like it was just it was just one of those 106 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: things where it was just everything was going right and 107 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: then boom that happened. So you know, they kind of 108 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: kind of put a little salt in my mouth, but 109 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: not enough for me to say I would never go 110 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: back there, so it was easy to go back. 111 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: Does it ever come up, like in the locker room 112 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: where you mentioned you could have just landed Mellow and 113 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 3: free agency probably and that meant you could have kept yourself, 114 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: You could have kept Gallo, Wilson, Chandler mos goof. Does 115 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: that ever come up in the locker room or is 116 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 3: that just not not even worth discussing? 117 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: No, no, it's not, you know, because I really can't. 118 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: I really can't say anything because it was just like 119 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of what ifs. You know, if we 120 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: kept that whole team together, all those young guys and 121 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: you know, Ala Melow, Adam Mellow and then you know, 122 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: who knows what could have happened, might have could have 123 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: got something happened when we still could have got Tyson there, 124 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: Things could have happened, could have got Jason Kidd there, 125 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, who knows, like a lot of that's a 126 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: lot of people that was added to that team. Emon Stumper, 127 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: you know j R. Like you know, I can't complain 128 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: about the team that we had that year either, because 129 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, we we was number two in the East. 130 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, it was one of the most dominant teams 131 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: in the NBA that year. So I can't complain about 132 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: the team that I came back to as well. That 133 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: was one of the best teams I played for as well. 134 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: So I mean, it's just it's one of those things. Man, 135 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: It's just like a lot of what ifs within that situation, 136 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: but not never really spoke about it though. 137 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 3: So trying to like go back to that time summer 138 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: twenty twelve, you're going into the preseason training camp. To me, 139 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: when you just look at this roster and remember this team, 140 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 3: like the energy was just off the charts. I mean, 141 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: the cassive characters that you got from obviously mellow, but 142 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 3: then the vets like she Kmart, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Canby. 143 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 3: Can you try to describe just like the energy going 144 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: into the preseason and training camp and do you have 145 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: any specific stories or memories from that time when you 146 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: guys are sort of all in a room for the 147 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: first time together. 148 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: Well, it was just like it was just so much 149 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: knowledge in that in that room. Man, it was just 150 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: so much to soak up. You know, I'm still being 151 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: a young guy, but you know, we had a couple 152 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: who had a few years under my belt. Just being 153 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: around you know, all this greatness, you know, with all 154 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: these guys and just soaking up the the just the 155 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: knowledge of the game. Man. Just the film meetings used 156 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: to be amazing. Like you know, most most people used 157 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: to hate film I used to love film sessions just 158 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, soaking up the knowledge of the game that 159 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, the discussions we used to have and just 160 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: prideless was just fun. But they was always serious. It 161 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: was always teaching points. It was it wouldn't sometimes it 162 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: would be a lot of situations where some of those 163 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: guys will be coaching more than the coaches, you know, 164 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: because the knowledge that they was teaching us on defense, 165 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: on offense, you know, different little things like that. Man. 166 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: So it was that season was fun from day one. 167 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Like it was just fun. Man. I just really enjoyed 168 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: that team. And I just really feel like I was 169 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: on a team that I felt I had an opportunity 170 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: to do something special, you know, to win. 171 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: Who's who are the most vocal people in those film 172 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: sessions other. 173 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: Than what he. 174 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: And I mean, I can't give I can't give one 175 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: name because depend on what was going on. What was 176 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: talked about or you know, who just decided to let 177 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: off that day. You know, anybody can start talking, anybody 178 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: can get up there and point some things out, you know. 179 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: And one thing, one thing I will say about that team, 180 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: we all held each other accountable. Like everybody got on everybody, 181 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: didn't matter who it was, like they would call everybody 182 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: out and tell them what they was doing wrong. And 183 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: we took it. We took it, and that's why we 184 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: were so close, and that's why we were so good. 185 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 186 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: So, keeping like the roster breakdown going, I've heard you 187 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 3: talk about Jason Kidd extensively. He's thirty nine at this time, 188 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: his last season, but to you sort of like this 189 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: guru of knowledge. And I've also heard you say that 190 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 3: it's tough to put into words what he was doing 191 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: and exactly what he meant to you at that time. 192 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: But I am going to ask you just to shed 193 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: some light on on how Jason Kidd was for you. 194 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: You know, you're not young, but you're also not not 195 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: as old as some of these guys. 196 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: What was having Jason kidds sort of in your ear 197 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: behind you? 198 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 3: And do you remember anything specific that he told you 199 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: that really helped you throughout this year. 200 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: Man, it was just absolutely amazing just playing beside him, 201 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: just like you know, looking at this Hall of Fame, 202 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, basketball player at Hall of Fame, but own 203 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: point guard. Just tell me, you know now you the 204 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: point guard. And I'm like, huh, now you you you 205 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: out point guard? You running our team. So for him 206 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: to just give me that level of confidence and give 207 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: the ball to me, you know, knowing you know who 208 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: he was was was was everything. You know that that 209 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: was everything. And then you know, just a conversation we 210 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: used to have. We used to talk about play sets, 211 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: talk about what I could do off these plays, off 212 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: these sets, How can get easier shots, How I can 213 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: get other people easier shots. You know. I remember one 214 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: instance in Miami and we was playing Miami and Mello 215 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: didn't play that game, and we beat Miami by like 216 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: about like fifteen, I want to say, fifty some points. 217 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, I had a great game. I had about 218 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: like twenty seven and twenty seven and seven that game 219 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: or something like that, if I remember. And it was 220 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: just one play that we had. It was on the 221 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: time out and he just told me to do something 222 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: very specific. He said, I promise you, if you do this, 223 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: you will walk all the way to the basket for 224 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: a layup. Sure enough, I did exactly what he told 225 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: me to do, and it was a whole lane just 226 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: opened up, laid the ball a lot up and with 227 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: nobody in sight. And it was just like just things 228 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: like that that he used to say and just tell 229 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: me and show me, and it was just like it 230 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: was just amazing, man Like, it was amazing. 231 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 3: You see that translating now with him as the MAVs 232 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: coach to quick turn around, especially on the defensive end. 233 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: I think that's what people don't realize is that Jay 234 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: kids obviously one of the best floor generals that we've 235 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 3: ever had in the game, but on the defensive end, 236 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: every team that he went through went to throughout his career, 237 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: flipped the switch immediately on defense. Was there anything like 238 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 3: on the defensive end, because because everybody talks about his offense, 239 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: but do you remember anything specific defensively and what it 240 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 3: is about him that makes him such a brilliant defensive mind. 241 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: Just just just positioning, just positioning, just being able to 242 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: keep the man in front of you, just understanding the game, 243 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, just being able to read you know what 244 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: the offense is about to do the next play, the 245 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: next the next move they make. You know, he was 246 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: so good at that, man, he was just I don't know, 247 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: Like I said, Man, his knowledge of the game is crazy. 248 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: And then him as a coach, the way he's he's 249 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: turned around this Dallas Mavericks team, which has always been good, 250 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: always been talented, but the way they're playing right now, 251 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: to me, is one of the most dangerous teams that's 252 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: in the wins right now. So, man, that's just who 253 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: he is, you know, it's just the type of guy 254 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: he is. And I don't know, man, like I give 255 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: him all the praise in the world by far, you know, 256 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the most you know, Hall 257 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: of Famer players that I played, that I played with. 258 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: Hands down, he's definitely one of my favorites. 259 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: Shout out to Jay Kid. Shout out to Jay Kid. 260 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: Moving on to to the center of the team, Carmelo 261 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: Anthony probably his best season as a pro. 262 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: He wins the scoring title. 263 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: When you picture Carmelo this year, is there one image 264 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 3: in your mind that that flashes. 265 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: Is it the three to the head? 266 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: Is it him jabbing at the elbow, Like when you 267 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: think of Mellow at this time. What is just like 268 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: the one thing that pops into your mind. 269 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: Just focus, man. He was just so focused on just winning. 270 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: It won't even about no scoring, title, on about you know, 271 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: none of that. It was just really it was just winning. 272 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: Like we had a team that you know, you know, 273 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: it was time to try to go do something special. 274 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: It was time to go win a championship. Man. That's 275 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: what and that's what it was all about. You know, 276 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: we didn't have some of those injuries that happened, you know, 277 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: some of those guys Melo not being one hundred percent 278 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: during that time in the playoffs. Like I like that chance, man, 279 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: I really liked that chances of really doing something special 280 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: and making it all the way. But you know, just knowing, 281 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: just knowing that kid man, ever since we was in 282 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: high school, you know, playing AAU together camps, you know, 283 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: Saint McDonald's game. Like like me and Mellow got a 284 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: different bond, me and him and Mauri got a different 285 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: bond that you know that some of us, some of 286 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: us didn't have, just because you know, we've all known 287 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: each other since we was kids, so you know, and 288 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: that was just something that you know, me and my 289 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: me and my family, me and my parents. We talk about, 290 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: you know in the sense of like that was just 291 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: a special moment to know these guys ever since high school, 292 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, playing the same McDonald's game, same team, you know, 293 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: on the East and then boom, you know, here we 294 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: go on New York Knicks together, you know, years later 295 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: in the NBA. So you know, that was a you know, 296 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: a special moment for me in that sense. But special 297 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: talent man, you know, definitely a Hall of Famer for 298 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: the things that he's done for this league on and 299 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: off the court. You know, you know, I'm happy to 300 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: see that he's still still playing well right now down 301 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: there in LA. But yeah, that's a that's one of 302 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: one of those guys who will always be family, always 303 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: gonna be my brother for life. 304 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: For it there, that's what's up. That's what's up. Shifting 305 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: to the coach, Woody. 306 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: I had Jamal Crawford who played with him under him 307 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: in Atlanta, and he raved about him. It seems like 308 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: everybody that I talked to just raised about wood He 309 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: What exactly is it about him that just just makes 310 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: him such a lovable coach and a lovable guy because. 311 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: He loves you. You know what I'm saying. He loves you. 312 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: You know, he love all his players. Man. He just 313 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: he's a player's coach. You know, he played his game 314 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: before the high level as well, and just understanding both 315 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: sides of it. But at the same time, he's serious 316 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: about his job. He's serious about what he do, and 317 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: he just loved these guys. Man. You know, you know, 318 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: you you have a coach that has that much passion 319 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: for you, not just you on the court, but just 320 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: for you as a person. You know that that goes 321 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: along way with you, man, and that Yeah, that's like 322 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: that's like one of the most favorite things that I 323 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: love about him, like still to this day, you know, 324 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: real close and you know, it's just just a great coach. Man. 325 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: I feel like he still should be coaching right now 326 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: in the NBA, but because he can still coach with 327 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: the new age guys. Now, he ain't just an old 328 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: school coach. He's a guy that can coach with the 329 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: time changing of the game. 330 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 331 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: Well, I mean after this year, he has one more 332 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: year and then they fire him and then it sort 333 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: of goes downhill from there. So that that does make 334 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: sense shifts in just quickly to the other veterans. I 335 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: want to do some quick hitters on those because I 336 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: feel like they are such an integral part to this team. 337 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: You know, you talked about Camby, Sheed. 338 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: Kurt Thomas, who was I'm sure that all of them 339 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: sort of chipped it in their own advice. But was 340 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: there any specific player, any vet that you know was 341 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: the one who was rallying the guys around in the 342 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: locker room, like last words before the game. Was there 343 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: one specific guy that kind of was like the core 344 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: emotional leader of the team. 345 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: If I had a pick one, it was probably it's 346 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: probably MC and Kirk. It's probably them too, you know, 347 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: those two guys, you know, just by example things they doe, 348 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: leading by example, just you know, being vocal, you know, 349 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: making sure you know that we was ready to play, 350 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, each and every night, like no no days off, 351 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: no games off, you know, and them bringing in that, 352 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: just bringing in that that pedigree, you know what I'm saying, 353 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: like really took us a long way. You know, it 354 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: really helped us young guys out. You know, some of 355 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: us still young wanting to wanting to go out, hang 356 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: out and do things like that. But them making us 357 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: understand that you know that's okay to do those things, 358 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: but also understand that you need to come in here 359 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: and every day ready to work, come in here every 360 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: day ready to play, no matter what you do the 361 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: night before. 362 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: Now, those that are so important. 363 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: I mean, we've heard, we've seen and heard a lot 364 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: of people today talk about how those guys have kind 365 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: of been weeded out of the league, those thirty eight, 366 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: thirty nine year olds. But it's important. I think we 367 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: see these teams that go deep into the playoffs. Have 368 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: those guys have your Kurt Thomas's, Marcus Cambi's where it 369 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: doesn't matter if they're not giving you twenty minutes to 370 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: night on the floor, what happens off the floor is 371 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: just as if not if not more important. So getting 372 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: into the season hot, start eight and one to start 373 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: the year, you're twenty and seven at Christmas. Those twenty 374 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 3: wins include two against Miami. What do you remember from 375 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: those battles against Miami? This is year three of the 376 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 3: Lebron Wade Bosh Big Three. People say that this is 377 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 3: the absolute peak of Lebron's career. Anything specific that you 378 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: that you remember, like battling those guys, it. 379 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: Was fun, That's all. I remember, it was fun, it 380 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: was competitive. You know, it was tough, you know what 381 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying. But you know, we just you know, I 382 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, we had the number. You know, 383 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: we won. We won that battle that year. You know, 384 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: as far as the series of how many games we 385 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: played them, and if we were a guy pass on 386 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: any other in that second round, you know, that's who 387 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: he was going to be playing next. And I really 388 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: don't think Miami wanted to see us at that time. 389 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: That's just my opinion. You know, they they may they 390 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: may say otherwise, but my opinion, I don't really think 391 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: they wanted to see us. I think they rather solid 392 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: Indiana than they than them seeing us in that in 393 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: that Eastern Conference finals. 394 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: But I believe it. 395 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's still that still bothers me to this day. Man, 396 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, losing to Indiana, you know, just it still 397 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: haunts me. But but yeah, man, that was It was 398 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: some good battles that year with Miami. Man, that was 399 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: such a great team, special team to had down there, 400 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: and the battles that we had with them was definitely, 401 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, some of the best. 402 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: Was there a specific moment during the year where it 403 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 3: clicks in your mind like Okay, we're we're not just 404 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: like good, like we're we're legit championship good because going 405 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 3: into the season, I don't think people were really marking 406 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 3: you guys as that, you know, fifty plus win team 407 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: championship contender. I think the line was like forty six 408 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 3: games for your for your win total. But you blow 409 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 3: that out of the world you win fifty four games. 410 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: Is there is there any moment in your mind where 411 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 3: you're watching the team, watching these results, going like okay, 412 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 3: like this is this is different from past years that 413 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: I've been on. 414 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: I think early in the season now I can tell, 415 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: you know, probably like the first twenty games, Like I 416 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: could just tell the way we was jeling, the way 417 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: we was playing, you know, just playing some of the 418 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: tough teams that was supposed to be the top teams 419 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: in the NBA, and the way we kind of handled 420 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: those guys and you know, defeated them. And I don't know, 421 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: just just the build up of our team, Like I 422 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: always had the confidence that, you know, if we figured 423 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: out how to do this together, it was gonna be scary, 424 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, and we did. 425 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: Were you even thinking about Indiana during the season, because 426 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: they start out pretty slow or is it really just 427 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 3: like you and Miami who you're you're keying in on 428 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 3: as that team that you have to go through. 429 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, everybody understood, like understood that, you know, if 430 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: we was going to do something specially, we was gonna 431 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: have to go do Miami. But you know, you know, 432 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: any of them, it started off slow, but we always 433 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: knew what type of team they had down there, you know, 434 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: what type of you know, talent, type of players they 435 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: had there. So we knew there was also another that 436 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: was a team that we still was going to have 437 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: to you know, compete with at some point. 438 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmmm. 439 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: So then going into the playoffs, you guts finished as 440 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: the two seed, fifty four wins, You got Boston first 441 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: there without Rondo for that series, you go three zero. 442 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 3: First playoff experience for you in the Garden, how can 443 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 3: you put that into the words? 444 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 2: What's what is that like? 445 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 3: And how does it compare to other atmospheres you've played in. 446 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: You've played in a national championship game, But what is 447 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: that first playoff experience in the Garden like for. 448 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: You, special man? It was It was amazing, It was 449 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: it was fun it's it's it's nothing like Madison Square Garden. Man, 450 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: when the playoffs and you know those fans are in 451 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: there going crazy, screaming, and you know we got your back. 452 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: You know, it was it was a lot of fun, man, 453 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely a special moment for me 454 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: in my career. And just you know something that I 455 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: will always always. 456 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: Remember any any KG stories. I know he's always talking. 457 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. KG was one of those guys. Man. It was 458 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: always fun to play against the man because he's always 459 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: tak chunk. You know, he used to say things up, 460 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: put it under his breath to himself, you know, about 461 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: your team, about you, about whatever. You know. He just 462 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: played with so much passion and desire. Man, it was 463 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: always fun to have those battles. Man. 464 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 3: So you take care of Boston in six four to 465 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: two and then going into Indiana also known as the 466 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: Roy Hibbert Series. You've said before that game one that 467 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: you drop at home was sort of the only thing 468 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: that goes wrong that series that takes away your home 469 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: court advantage. 470 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: Do you still feel that way. 471 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: No question, That's the one thing that I feel to 472 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: me that broke our back once we lost that game. 473 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: We can never really regain home court advantage, and we 474 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: couldn't get a win in Indiana. We couldn't get a 475 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: win there, and we end up losing the game six. 476 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: And that was just tough man. That was that was 477 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: hertful because at that point they couldn't beat us no 478 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: more in New York and they couldn't we couldn't beat 479 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: them in Indiana. So we took care of business those 480 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: first two games at home. Then you know, we go 481 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: all the way to Game seven, but we still advanced 482 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: to the mixed round. 483 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 484 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 3: Any memories of like a young Paul George that's sort 485 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 3: of when he comes onto the scene, he's twenty two. 486 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: Could you see it in him then that he was 487 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 3: going to be something special? 488 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: No question, Yeah he was. He was definitely a special 489 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: talent of just the things he can do and his 490 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: size could shoot and jump out the gym. You know, 491 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: you no good defender. You know. All the things that 492 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: you know that everybody talks about today is the things 493 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: that I saw early on, you know, as he was 494 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: starting to spurge into to PG today. 495 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: M I love I love seeing those like emergencies, the 496 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 3: guys just really coming out of the shell at a 497 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 3: young age. So then just backtracking, like you know, twelve 498 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 3: thirteen ends. When you think of that season today, is 499 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: that is that the most fun season that you had in. 500 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: Your NBA career? 501 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: It's one of them, for sure. 502 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: What are the others? 503 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of them? Man. You know, my 504 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: first year in the NBA was fun, you know, just 505 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, dream come true, being able to play NBA 506 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: basketball against a lot of guys that I looked up to, 507 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that I used to watch play, 508 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: you know, getting you know, soaking that in my first year, 509 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: I had had a fun year. You know. My my 510 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: second season here in Dallas, you know that was a 511 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 1: lot of fun. You know, my you know, my first playoffs, 512 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: my first playoff season with the Charlotte Bobcats, if you're 513 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: in the NBA before I came to New York the 514 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: next year, you know, that was fun. That was an experience, 515 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: you know U put coach Larry Brown, you know. So, 516 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot of memorable moments that I 517 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: have in the NBA that you know, I'm just I 518 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: was just blessed to be able to do something I 519 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: love to do. Every year. 520 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. What sticks with you from the next season. 521 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: Like when you just think back today, what are the 522 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: top of mind memories that that you carry with you 523 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: to this day? 524 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: Thanks all of them. Man. You know, we was always 525 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: tight man. You know, we always did a lot of 526 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: stuff together, went out to eat together, hung out together. 527 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: You know, had like you know, little sessions and little 528 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: meetups and at each other houses and stuff. You know, 529 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: throughout the season. We were just so close and so tight, man. 530 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: It was like it was like a brotherhood for real. 531 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: Any spots that you remember in the city that that 532 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 3: you guys are regularly is at I'm here now. 533 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we can't give out those spots man, 534 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: as you know, we go to on the load, you 535 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But now you know we we 536 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: used to hang out in the meatpacking district a lot, man, 537 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: go out, go over that way and go eat, go 538 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: hang out, you know, just to you know, get away, 539 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: just get away from basketball a little bit. 540 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 2: You watching any Knicks Knicks today, Yeah. 541 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: I do, you know, I should go back and see 542 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: some games and do something with the Knicks Nick's alumni 543 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: people at times. 544 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: What do you think of the squad today? Some young talent, 545 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: any guys that you particularly. 546 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: Like pretty well. I mean, they got a lot of 547 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: young talent over them, man, I think, Barrett, you know, 548 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good young talent they don't have 549 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: over there. You know. But like I said once again, 550 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, losing veterans is hurtful, you know what I'm saying. 551 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: Losing a guy like the Rose to your team, you know, 552 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: kind of hurts, you know, to me. You know, Kim 553 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: Walker has been hurt all season, you know, trying to 554 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: play through things. And you know that's another guy who's 555 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: a vet, another guy who still can play and get 556 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: buckets and really help a team. So him not being healthy, 557 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, like that hurts. So I think, you know, 558 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: just injuries, man, injuries and injuries, injuries, just some things 559 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: that hurts a team. You know, I think they was 560 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: good enough to you know, be in the playoffs. But 561 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: when you get big, major injuries like that to guys 562 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: that's very vital to your team, you know, it can 563 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: it can hurt, It can really hurt. And it hurts 564 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: the young guys too. It hurts them as. 565 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: Well, for sure. 566 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: I mean they could they could use some Kurt Thomas's 567 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: or Marcus Canby's or Ray Felton's in that locker room. 568 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Man, they rut us out of the league. Man, 569 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: they got us about of there. Man, I would have 570 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: loved to, you know, at this point, at the age 571 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: of thirty seven, you know, being the league, just you know, 572 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: trying to help with the young guys, the young guards, 573 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: young point guards, just you know, sharing some of that 574 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: knowledge of some of the things that the old older 575 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: guys did with me. Man. But hey, listen, hey, there's 576 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: nothing I can say about that. It is what it is. 577 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: Was there anything in specific that like change that, Like 578 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 3: I know that there's always constantly workings of like how 579 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 3: the CBA or is just something that happened. 580 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: I have no clue, man, really, you know, because you 581 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: still see some teams will do it. Let me look 582 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: at look at you d look at you. Donald's has them. 583 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: I mean he's still He's still in the league. And 584 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: look at how successful Miami is every year. You know, 585 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: they they have up and downs, but then all of 586 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: a sudden, look at them. They don't moved all the 587 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: way up to the number one spot. You know, after 588 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: being a team that a lot of peoples like dangwhere 589 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: they don't even make the playoffs, and they just pick 590 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: it up, you know what I'm saying, Like you see 591 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: your Donald's getting that, getting that Jimmy Butler the other day, 592 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: almost about to fight, like you know what I'm saying. 593 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: But that's the type of stuff that you need. That's 594 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: the type of stuff that you know, you looking at 595 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: a veteran going at your your best player, going at 596 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: your your your your franchise player like that. 597 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'm nobody else, nobody else is going to 598 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 2: do that. 599 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: Well, you know, and that's what you need to see. 600 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: That's what that's what the younger guys, that's what everybody 601 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: else needs to see. And that's how you keep that 602 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: team together. That's how you keep that bond so strong, 603 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: and that's why they're so successful, you know what I'm saying. 604 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: But you know, I guess I guess nobody else see that. 605 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: Nobody else sees that. They just like they just go 606 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: with it. I mean, you look at Phoenix, look Out, 607 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: look Out Phoenix playing those young all those young boys. 608 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: But you got to Chris Paul over there in the mix. 609 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: You got a J. Crowder over there in the mix. 610 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: You got two guys who's been around the league, who's 611 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: been playing on winning teams and understands how to be professional, 612 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: and you mixed that with those young guys and him 613 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: and the way Chris is able to share that knowledge 614 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: and teach those guys how to be professional, teach those 615 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: guys how to be ready to play. Then on top 616 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: of that, they got a great coach like Mante who 617 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: really understands that, and a great coaching staff that he 618 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: has over there. That it's just it's obvious when you 619 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: look at those teams. Then you look at like dang, 620 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: like yeah, is that. 621 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 3: No, you can notice it a lot with those teams, 622 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: just like how they carry theirselves, how they carry themselves, 623 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: how they act on the bench, and it's something that 624 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 3: with young teams you just don't see. I mean, unfortunately 625 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: with the Knicks right now, like I think they're turning 626 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: it around, but the energy just seems off some nights, 627 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: and I think that they could use sort of those 628 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 3: those guiding voices to keep them in check and at 629 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: the end of the day hold. 630 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: The players accountable. 631 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. 632 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 3: All right, Ray again, I appreciate your time, man, no problem, 633 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 3: go heals this weekend. I know you'll be watching, so 634 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: all right, have a goal. That was this week's episode, 635 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 3: Ray Felton on the twenty thirteen Knicks. This is your host, 636 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: Dylan Dreyfus. I'll be back next week with a fresh episode. 637 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: A reminder to drop a rating inter review on the 638 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: pod if you liked what you just heard. We appreciate 639 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 3: all the support. Keep track on all the latest news 640 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 3: on our Instagram page at Forgotten Season's NBA. 641 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: Thank you for tapping in. I will catch you next week.