WEBVTT - JUST IN: Rev. Jesse Jackson Dead at 84

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Tuesday, February seventeenth, and keep hope alive. We

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<v Speaker 2>are just getting word as we come on this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>that Reverend Jesse Jackson, civil rights icon, has passed away

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of eighty four. Welcome to this episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Amy and TJ. Recording this one a little early.

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<v Speaker 2>We are early risers, and when we first got up

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<v Speaker 2>at three four am, we didn't see this news. But

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<v Speaker 2>it just did break a short time ago, and we

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to hop on and give you the update.

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<v Speaker 1>But ropes just first reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>When you hear Reverend Jesse Jackson has passed away at

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it sounds almost cliche to say the passing

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<v Speaker 3>of a legend, but a civil rights icon, a change agent,

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<v Speaker 3>someone who fought for justice in the face of incredible

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<v Speaker 3>adversity and fear. I would add, yes, all of the above,

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<v Speaker 3>A game changer in the civil rights movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so officially we don't know the official cause

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<v Speaker 2>of death. They haven't said this morning, but we did

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<v Speaker 2>get an extended statement from his family. We know he

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<v Speaker 2>had had some health issues, various and serious over the

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<v Speaker 2>past several years, but we do want to share the

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<v Speaker 2>statement put out came through his organization, but sass some

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<v Speaker 2>specific words in here, and it was kind of nice

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<v Speaker 2>to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>I always loved to hear in.

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<v Speaker 2>These statements when you hear that they died surrounded by family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's isn't that the goal for all of us?

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<v Speaker 3>At least I think it would be so. Yes, The

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<v Speaker 3>family statement reads, he died peacefully on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 4>Morning, surrounded by his family.

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<v Speaker 3>His unwavering commitment to justice, equality and human rights help

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<v Speaker 3>shape a global movement for freedom and dignity. They said

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<v Speaker 3>that our father was a servant leader, not only to

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<v Speaker 3>our family, but to the oppressed, the voiceless, and the

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<v Speaker 3>overlooked around the world. We shared him with the world,

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<v Speaker 3>and in return, the world became part of our extended family.

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<v Speaker 3>His unwavering belief injustice, equality and love uplifted millions, and

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<v Speaker 3>we ask you to honor his memory by continuing the

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<v Speaker 3>fight for the values he lived by.

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<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful, yeah, and it's Look, he hasn't been out there,

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't been as active because of his health, but

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<v Speaker 2>he has been a part of national politics in this

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<v Speaker 2>country essentially since I was born and really got involved

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<v Speaker 2>and became very mainstream. I guess in the eighties with

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<v Speaker 2>his two presidential campaigns, we forget before Barack Obama, Jesse

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson was legit. Now he was legit, not just some

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<v Speaker 2>fringe character doing this or that. He was a candidate

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<v Speaker 2>that forced everybody to pay attention and is considered ropes.

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<v Speaker 2>The first legitimate all loved to Cheirley Chisholm, but the

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<v Speaker 2>first major party candidate who had a legitimid shot and

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<v Speaker 2>he actually did well in those primaries.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes, we were, we were coming up during those years.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesse Jackson. He rose to incredible political prominence. And I

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<v Speaker 3>was actually surprised because obviously we were kids while he

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<v Speaker 3>was running for president. But to hear that he won

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<v Speaker 3>in his first races is in nineteen eighty four more

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<v Speaker 3>than eighteen percent of the primary vote, and then four

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<v Speaker 3>years later he won eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>Primaries and caucuses. That is significant.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but tons of candidates are in these races and

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<v Speaker 2>don't do that. But this was a major party black

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<v Speaker 2>candidate who in those back to back races you're talking,

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<v Speaker 2>he picked up twenty percent of the primary vote and

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<v Speaker 2>then thirty percent the next time around. He forced other candidates,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously non minority candidates who pay attention to him because

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<v Speaker 2>he had a stronghold in the black community. Black folks

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<v Speaker 2>were listening to him, liked him, supported him, trusted him,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said, wait a minute, he is actually getting

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<v Speaker 2>the votes we need to win. And he became a

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<v Speaker 2>player in that way. And I think, ever to when

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<v Speaker 2>you go back and think about eighty four to eighty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>it explains two thousand and eight crying like a baby

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<v Speaker 2>after Barack Obama had won in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where that came from. His history paid.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he paved the way. He paved the way.

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<v Speaker 3>If it weren't for his hard work, Barack Obama would

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<v Speaker 3>not have become president.

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<v Speaker 4>Barack Obama.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, Barack Obama knows that and understands that. But you

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<v Speaker 2>go back Robes and Plinny will remember, I guess he

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<v Speaker 2>was treated. He had been treated for Parkinson's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years before he actually made the public revelation. That

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<v Speaker 2>was in twenty seventeen. I believe it was the end

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<v Speaker 2>of that. I don't remember what some complicated issue.

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<v Speaker 1>He was hospitalized last year? What was that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he was, he was hospitalized last year. And he

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<v Speaker 3>actually has a condition that sounds horrific. It's called it's

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<v Speaker 3>got an acronym. It is called I just wrote it down.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to that, he also, as you're looking for

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<v Speaker 2>that, that hospitalization, but he had he dealt with COVID as well,

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<v Speaker 2>right going through the midst of all this, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was a tough goal he had.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he had.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called PSP, which is called progressive super nuclear palsy,

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<v Speaker 3>and it affects your ability to walk and to swallow.

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<v Speaker 3>I was reading about it just thinking that has that

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<v Speaker 3>has got to be one of the more difficult ways

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<v Speaker 3>to suffer as you are fighting other illnesses Parkinson's on

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<v Speaker 3>top of that that that is a tough road. But

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<v Speaker 3>he was a fighter through and through in so many

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<v Speaker 3>ways in his life. But he was fighting till the

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<v Speaker 3>very end physically for his health.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hadn't seen him in many, many years. But

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<v Speaker 2>the last time I saw him with some event. Why

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<v Speaker 2>do I think it was at the Museum of Modern

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<v Speaker 2>History or the dinosaurs and all that. Yes, yes, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was there, But it was just he

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<v Speaker 2>was a shell of this guy who I have known

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<v Speaker 2>got shit for decades now and dealing with in the industry.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was just he was just weak. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>remember a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>He still physically looked like because he's kind of an imposing,

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<v Speaker 2>towering big guy. Still looked the same, but he sat.

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<v Speaker 2>He just wasn't that Jesse Jackson was not there, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was tough. It was tough to see. But you

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<v Speaker 2>go back. This guy they called the son of South Carolina, right,

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<v Speaker 2>he was from Greenville, but he grew up in the South,

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<v Speaker 2>the Jim pro South, and he was molded by a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of that. Went to college, became an activist and

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<v Speaker 2>joined Martin Luther King's movement Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and

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<v Speaker 2>took off from there. Became an officer, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>youngest officials they had, and got King's attention and was

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely a King protege.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was there with him in Memphis when King

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<v Speaker 3>was assassinated, right there, and wasn't deterred.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you, I mean, I just was.

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<v Speaker 3>You go through this movement, you feel the change that

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<v Speaker 3>you're a part of, and then MLK Junior is assassinated

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<v Speaker 3>right in front of you. A lot of people would cower,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people would say hell no. He pushed

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<v Speaker 3>on and went even further and took the movement further.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were some who criticized him to this day

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<v Speaker 2>for like the only thing that his heart was always

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<v Speaker 2>in the right place, and sometimes the ego got in

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<v Speaker 2>the way of the heart because he did. He was

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<v Speaker 2>an ambitious guy and he wanted to be the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys will tell you this, and the criticism is

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<v Speaker 2>public and it's out there, for they say that's one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that got in his way is that he just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted it too badly, like he was putting himself at

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<v Speaker 2>the forefront. I'm now going to be the leader. And

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<v Speaker 2>I had a civil rights leader tell me once the

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<v Speaker 2>problem with Jesse is that he would have just relaxed.

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<v Speaker 2>The people would have chosen him. He was too much

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<v Speaker 2>in a hurry to just be the man. He wanted

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<v Speaker 2>it too badly and forced himself onto it. He was

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly positioned. They would have chosen him anyway, but he

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<v Speaker 2>just forced his hand. I actually had someone tell me

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<v Speaker 2>that once, but it's publicly. It's been out there, but

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<v Speaker 2>robes too. There are pictures out there of him standing

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<v Speaker 2>on that balcony in the Lorraine Motel. He was, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight. He was there, So I think some

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<v Speaker 2>people don't even realize that Jesse Jackson was not just

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<v Speaker 2>some guy. He wasn't just some self promoted He wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>just some presidential candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an.

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<v Speaker 2>Og of this movement who has been there and was

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<v Speaker 2>right there with Doka King all this time. So we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have these guys anymore. Right, These are legends of

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<v Speaker 2>an era, our civil rights leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I mean, we have Black Lives Matter.

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<v Speaker 4>We have Al Sharpton still around.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still kicking, right, He's still kicking in New York.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the Action Network, right, and the Rainbow Push Coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>They were competitors to a certain degree, but also they

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<v Speaker 2>work together a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's funny. So I told you this.

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<v Speaker 3>My very first assignment in college was to go to

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<v Speaker 3>a Rainbow Push Coalition march in Atlanta, and that is

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<v Speaker 3>where I met Jesse Jackson, who was so kind, and

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<v Speaker 3>Al Sharpton together, first time, little white reporter from w

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<v Speaker 3>uog Athen TV and I'm going over there, and they

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<v Speaker 3>were both so kind, and it was just I was

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<v Speaker 3>in awe that I was talking.

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<v Speaker 4>That was my first two interviews as a journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>Well stay here, folks, you are going to hear how

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of Robot's experience with Reverend Jesse Jackson WYNT,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll also share some of my favorite moments with

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<v Speaker 2>this icon over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>To hear.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ with

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<v Speaker 2>the word just coming really moments before we hopped on

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<v Speaker 2>and started recording that Reverend Jesse Jackson has passed away

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<v Speaker 2>at the age of eighty four. Civil rights icon, two

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<v Speaker 2>time presidential candidate, and one of the most influential figures

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<v Speaker 2>in politics and civil rights era. They just don't make

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<v Speaker 2>them like this anymore. Rope to think about him. I

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<v Speaker 2>think about Sharpton, I think about Ambassador Young actuals we

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<v Speaker 2>already lost John Lewis. These are just guys I was

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<v Speaker 2>around in Atlanta. They don't necessarily take you under their wing,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're forced to pay attention and learn under their wing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Atlanta is a cool place in that regard for

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<v Speaker 2>a young black man coming in you. You cannot come

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<v Speaker 2>in there with an ego or think you're anything or

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<v Speaker 2>anything special, because them dudes will put you in check

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<v Speaker 2>so fast. They don't have to get in your face.

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<v Speaker 2>You just how am I as a twenty eight twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine year old seeing an anchor coming down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the man in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 2>You get in a room with John Lewis, you, you

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<v Speaker 2>sit down, you cowerd and you yes, sir, very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were very and to your what you were

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<v Speaker 2>just saying, they're robes. They are It's almost you can't

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<v Speaker 2>separate these guys. You said the first time you ever

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<v Speaker 2>ran Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpner was right there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, it's true.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's funny because the first person I ran into

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<v Speaker 3>obviously my dream, and I didn't think it was even

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<v Speaker 3>possible to get to interview Reverend Jackson. But I saw

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<v Speaker 3>this cute couple yelling boot Newt, Boot Newt because they

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<v Speaker 3>were upset about Newt Gingrid Chess or the house at

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<v Speaker 3>the time.

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<v Speaker 4>And uh, I said, I really. I said, hey, can

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<v Speaker 4>I interview you too?

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<v Speaker 3>And he looked at me and he smiled and said,

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<v Speaker 3>I bet you'd rather interview my dad. And I was

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<v Speaker 3>like huh, And I was like, no, I actually just

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<v Speaker 3>want to interview you too. I had no idea who

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<v Speaker 3>it was. And he said, you sure you don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to interview my dad? And I said, yeah, I'm pretty sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to interview you.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like okay, And I said, can I get your

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<v Speaker 4>name and how to spell it?

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<v Speaker 3>He went, sure, Jesse Jackson Junior, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 3>need me to spell it? And I bet you want

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<v Speaker 3>me to go get my dad now.

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<v Speaker 4>And he did. He walked over, he brought Jesse over

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<v Speaker 4>and he had it was my I remember my face

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<v Speaker 4>turned bright red.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Jesse came over and Jesse Jackson came over

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<v Speaker 3>and Al Sharpton was right there with him, and I

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<v Speaker 3>got the two interviews right back to back, and they.

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<v Speaker 4>Were so kind.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, what's your name? Who are you reporting from? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>they were so kind, took so much time. I was

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<v Speaker 3>this silly little twenty one year old Athens were your reporter,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were so great and that was such a

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<v Speaker 3>memorable moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are my first two official interviews he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a warmth, a kindness, but an intensity and

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<v Speaker 2>everything he did he was I don't remember too many laughs.

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<v Speaker 2>I shared with him over the interesting like crazy, but

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<v Speaker 2>everybody has. There was a line I often use and

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<v Speaker 2>post folks heard me quote and again, this is someone

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<v Speaker 2>just in what we do robes. I've been with him

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<v Speaker 2>countless occasion, countless hours over the years, including a trip

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<v Speaker 2>to Tanzania with him for a for a week long

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<v Speaker 2>summit out there. I'll speak on that and saying, but Rope,

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<v Speaker 2>you've heard me say this line before. Jesse's action is

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<v Speaker 2>the one that told me that the only reason that

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<v Speaker 2>black folks excel in sports is not because we're bigger,

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<v Speaker 2>not because we're stronger, not because we're faster. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the one place where everybody has to play by

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<v Speaker 2>the same rules. Wow, he said, you got a referee

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<v Speaker 2>out there making sure that everybody you and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to play by the exact same rules. And see what

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<v Speaker 2>happens when you put black folks in a position to

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<v Speaker 2>where they have an even playing field, we could actually excel.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me that in Chicago at a Rainbow Push

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<v Speaker 1>Coalition office.

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<v Speaker 2>To this day, I've never forgotten it because you look

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<v Speaker 2>at I've gone through so many things in life and

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<v Speaker 2>offices and then whatever, all these stories, But what happens

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<v Speaker 2>if you even the playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Field for black folks, we excel.

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<v Speaker 2>And that story stuck with me forever, And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>I was annoying as hell to him on that trip

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<v Speaker 2>to Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not annoying, Oh no, no, no, no, you were asking him

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<v Speaker 3>tons of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>How long is the flight from Atlanta to Arusha, Tanzania.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go with at least seventeen hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm twenty nine thirty sitting in business class with

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<v Speaker 2>Reverend Jesse Jackson a roll over.

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<v Speaker 1>I was annoying as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Acau, I was just so excited to be around

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<v Speaker 2>this dude, and he could not get.

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<v Speaker 1>Away from me.

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<v Speaker 5>He was stuck on a plane with you. You didn't

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<v Speaker 5>have to chase him down, and so we spent a week.

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<v Speaker 5>That was just one of a number of wonderful, really

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<v Speaker 5>memories over the years, and it was for the most

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<v Speaker 5>part for me, Robes. I'm a black man from the South.

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<v Speaker 5>I know who what Jesse Jackson represents.

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<v Speaker 2>And just to have the opportunities I had over the

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<v Speaker 2>years to be with him Marv just treasures.

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<v Speaker 1>They're absolute treasures.

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<v Speaker 2>He was funny, he was warm, he was intense, but

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<v Speaker 2>you always felt like you had to be You had

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<v Speaker 2>to be on your game, like you always like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want him to see me not behaving the right way.

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<v Speaker 4>He was intentional, always, always.

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<v Speaker 2>That same trip to Africa, he made me get up

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<v Speaker 2>and donate one thousand dollars. Him and rim and Sharp,

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<v Speaker 2>him and Ambassador Young were really good about They'll get

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<v Speaker 2>on stage just to speak, and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>they turn into a fundraiser, put you on the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>He starts calling people. I'll say, right now, who wants

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<v Speaker 2>to give this much? Who wants to give TJ and

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<v Speaker 2>I had to stand up and say, okay, I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Some given money today.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the power of Reverend Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>But the last one is my favorite. I'll give you

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<v Speaker 2>robes Detroit, NAACP Convention. I'm on a dais with the

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<v Speaker 2>most surreal one of the most surreal moments of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting up on a dais this program huge room,

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<v Speaker 2>and the podium.

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<v Speaker 1>Is in one spot.

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<v Speaker 2>And to the right of that podium, the first chair

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<v Speaker 2>sits Reverend Al Sharpton, the next chair sits TJ. Holmes,

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<v Speaker 2>the next chair sits Reverend Jesse Jackson, and the next

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<v Speaker 2>chair was Aretha Franklin. Wow, I'm sitting on this stage

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<v Speaker 2>and the highlight of the night was hearing Reverend Sharpton

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<v Speaker 2>and Reverend Jackson talk shit to each other across me.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just two dudes just talking shit like anybody

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<v Speaker 2>would talk shit to their boys.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was for me, like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't believe I goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>Say this, yeah that's well, or just yeah, did someone

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<v Speaker 3>take a picture of that?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I got okay, that's that should be framed.

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<v Speaker 2>I got tons of victors of that. But that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>them talking about the movement. It wasn't them talking about history.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not talking about politics.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just a.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple of guys and I witnessed them just be a

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<v Speaker 2>couple guys giving each other hell. And so look, all

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<v Speaker 2>those memories are there, they come back and they just

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<v Speaker 2>we always say ropes. Our lives sometimes are surreal, and he,

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<v Speaker 2>for the two of us, added to our lives in

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<v Speaker 2>a very memorable way in our careers.

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<v Speaker 3>And we appreciate, oh my goodness, yes, And you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>as we talk about all that Reverend Jackson did and

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<v Speaker 3>accomplished and who he was as a philanthropist and a

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<v Speaker 3>civil rights leader, he was also a husband and a father,

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<v Speaker 3>and we forget that too, you know, you say, it

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<v Speaker 3>was interesting to hear him just kind of talk shit

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<v Speaker 3>and not be purposeful or intentional about the movement or

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<v Speaker 3>what he was doing. But he was also just a dude,

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<v Speaker 3>a human, you know, I mean we forget that sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>people of legendary status. Yes, we should mention he had

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<v Speaker 3>some controversies throughout He certainly did, and that fell to

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<v Speaker 3>his son as well. So that's what happens when you

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<v Speaker 3>are in the limelight. You the good, the bad, and

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<v Speaker 3>the ugly. We have all sides to all of us,

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<v Speaker 3>and some of the well, they're all very exemplified, or

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<v Speaker 3>at least they're put on a world stage in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that most people's aren't. So, yes, he had flaws,

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<v Speaker 3>but yes he was a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to give that update today.

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<v Speaker 2>They did tell us Robes, they haven't given a schedule yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but his public memorials and whatnot will be happening in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>which the place he called home and which was the

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<v Speaker 2>home of the Rainbow Push Coalition all these years. But folks,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to hop on and give you that update.

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<v Speaker 2>A tough one to hear. But eighty four, even Robes

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<v Speaker 2>these days.

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<v Speaker 4>Seems young, it does, it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighty four years old civil rights icon Jesse Jackson has

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<v Speaker 2>passed away. We always appreciate you spending some time here

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<v Speaker 1>But we always appreciate you spending time with us. TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes on behalf of and they will stops