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Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to another episode of butteron Nomics. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Brandon Butler found the CEO of butteryt yelling. Today got

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Speaker 2: somebody special in the building. Indeed, we got the one

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Speaker 2: and only Miss Terry em Lee. You got to say

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Speaker 2: the whole thing like a child called quest.

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Speaker 1: So it's Terry Michelle Lee.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Terry Michelle, I don't want to put all your

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Speaker 2: business out there there. We got Miss Terry Michelle Lee. Terry,

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Speaker 2: how you doing today?

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Speaker 1: I am phenomenal. I'm so grateful for the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: Thank you absolutely so. For those who don't know, Terry

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Speaker 2: is the CEO of the Atlanta Housing Authority do amazing

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Speaker 2: all the other stuff that touching on. But Terry, we

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Speaker 2: do something special here on button nomics. Okay. Now, normally

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Speaker 1: I'm ready?

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Speaker 2: Okay. Miss Terry em Lee the m stance for Michelle.

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Speaker 2: Miss Terry Emlee is the President and CEO of Atlanta

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Speaker 2: Terry has overseen efforts to expand affordable housing, redevelop former

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Speaker 1: That is phenomenal. But now it left out one important factor. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and not just Atlanta the country, right, So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like that housing story is almost like

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Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting when you say old Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: Thanks, You're good, thank you, because you know, it gets touchy.

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Speaker 1: You exactly, exactly exactly, and I have on the graty

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Speaker 2: Just in Joel, you know, one thing we always talk

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Speaker 1: It's a lot you know, as an agency if you

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Speaker 1: But with that funding, we will provide rental assistance, will

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now I've been I've been going through you all stuff,

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Speaker 1: But we do, and we are very proud of the assistance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: all that stuff back. And so what impact have you've

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Speaker 2: seen from that actually having those people back in the

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Speaker 2: communities that they actually serve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it has some impact. I think it's

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Speaker 1: also important to note though, Atlanta from a household size

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Speaker 1: is probably about one point one point one and a

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Speaker 1: half persons for households, So Atlanta's household size is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily family households. And so when you think about that

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Speaker 1: from the standpoint, the question is where are families actually living,

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Speaker 1: And those families are living in the suburbs, and we

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Speaker 1: all know since possibly why. But what I am seeing

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Speaker 1: is that as we're repopulating and regenerating, regenerating some of

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Speaker 1: our former public housing sites, we're gaining more interest and

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Speaker 1: we're gaining more interest not just from public safety employees,

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Speaker 1: but quite honestly from families who want to know whether

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Speaker 1: or not they can come back to the city.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, for a lot of times, again, like people

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Speaker 2: have maybe seeing the city is I mean, obviously there's been,

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Speaker 2: you know, a big boom in browsing, and like a

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Speaker 2: lot of housing has become less affordable over time. Like

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Speaker 2: how do you all just tackle that gap in times

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Speaker 2: like this when it comes to help to serve your families.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's you know, I remember being in a

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Speaker 1: room a couple of years back, and the gentleman was

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Speaker 1: a former he was a former deputy Secretary of HUD

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Speaker 1: under President Obama, and he had a map of the

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Speaker 1: United States on on the screen and he said, tell

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Speaker 1: me what city has solved the affordable housing crisis, And

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Speaker 1: so we started naming cities and he said, no city

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Speaker 1: has solved the affordable housing crisis. And it's actually getting worse,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's becoming a national crisis. And what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing now, Brandon, is it really is a global crisis

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the lack of affordability. And in

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Speaker 1: one of the conversations we often do not have when

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Speaker 1: we talk and I'll get to what we're doing, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to talk about the fact that

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Speaker 1: it is what housing costs versus what people make. And

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Speaker 1: if you think about Atlanta right now today, in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: the national Low Income Housing Coalition released a report that

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Speaker 1: basically says, for a person to be able to afford

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Speaker 1: a two bedroom unit in Atlanta at fair market rent,

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Speaker 1: they would have to earn a housing wage, an hourly

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Speaker 1: wage of forty one dollars. Oh, forty one dollars now

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Speaker 1: minimum wage in the city, minimum wage in the state,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's seven dollars and twenty five cents. And

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Speaker 1: so that means a person would have to earn close

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Speaker 1: to six times the minimum wage to be able to

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Speaker 1: afford housing in this city. Okay, that's important because we

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Speaker 1: can't subsidize our way out of it. So when you

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Speaker 1: think about the public subsidy resources, we have to be

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Speaker 1: able to make a developed meant affordable, to be able

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Speaker 1: to help somebody pay their rent, to be able to

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Speaker 1: encourage someone to go to home ownership, those resources only

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Speaker 1: go so far. So while we're tackling the housing issue,

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Speaker 1: we also need to tackle the economic mobility issues in

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Speaker 1: order to ensure that people can earn a living wage

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Speaker 1: in order to be able to be able to afford

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Speaker 1: to have some place to stay. Now for us, for example,

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Speaker 1: if you think about the Bow and Homes project that

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Speaker 1: we're doing now with seventy four acre site along Hollow Well,

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Speaker 1: that's about a seven hundred and sixty million dollar redevelopment

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Speaker 1: on When it's all said and done, we'll repopulate the

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Speaker 1: site with over two thousand units of housing that'll be

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Speaker 1: both rental as well as homeownership. By the thirty five

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Speaker 1: to forty percent affordability on that site, we were able

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Speaker 1: to receive a grant from HUT of about forty million

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Speaker 1: dollars and we're using around seventy million of our own

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Speaker 1: subsidy resources to come in to make that development opportunity

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Speaker 1: affordable for people to come back. And so what happens

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Speaker 1: is any to affordable housing project, what you'll find is

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Speaker 1: you'll have private find nancy and possibly owners equity. But

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Speaker 1: what makes it affordable is the public subsidy gap that

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Speaker 1: we're able to come into field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I had We had Milton Little

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Speaker 2: from the United Whale here one time, and he and

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Speaker 2: I had a whole conversation about just I think Atlanta's

513
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Speaker 2: like what like ninety or ninety percent and upper mobility.

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Speaker 2: So essentially, if you essentially born in low poverty, there's

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Speaker 2: almost a ninety ninety five percent chance you'll kind of

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Speaker 2: state in yeah, and so again it's really important these

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Speaker 2: kind of programs exist, right.

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Speaker 1: But that's why it's also important that for the families

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Speaker 1: that we serve, that we're able to equip them from

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Speaker 1: the economic standpoint to transition off the program, because if

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Speaker 1: you think about it, we serve I told you we

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Speaker 1: touched about forty three thousand people, that really constitutes about

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Speaker 1: twenty a little over twenty five thousand households. If we

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Speaker 1: serve the same twenty five thousand households year after year,

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Speaker 1: then we're not able to help in that trajectory of

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Speaker 1: moving people off of that alone, that economic clime. So

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Speaker 1: one of the things that we've started just this last

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Speaker 1: year is what we call the resident renaissance, and that's

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Speaker 1: how you know, we went back to Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

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Speaker 1: Shelter is that first component, but after shelter, what's next.

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Speaker 1: And so if we can make sure our residents have

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Speaker 1: access to different educational opportunities, different workforce developing opportunities that

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Speaker 1: will that will give them the ability to earn a

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Speaker 1: higher wage, it also helps them be able to stand

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Speaker 1: on their own two feet and be able to move

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Speaker 1: from our program to a level of self sufficiency though,

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Speaker 1: so that we can reach back and help the next family. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, now and when you think about that too, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean you kind of mentioned it a second ago,

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Speaker 2: like some federal funding is obviously been cut and things

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Speaker 2: are changing. I know it's a little a little tough

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Speaker 2: out there trying to manage all that stuff, but in general,

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Speaker 2: with all the different rules and regulations, you all have

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Speaker 2: to kind of work through how do you all balance

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Speaker 2: that but still kind of stay innovative and finding ways

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Speaker 2: to serve these families.

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Speaker 1: So you have to, you just absolutely have to. So

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Speaker 1: one of the things I will tell you, I'm a

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Speaker 1: firm believer in understanding the rules. And I say understanding

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Speaker 1: the rules because there's always there's always a path to yes.

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Speaker 1: And so we start off with what is how do

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Speaker 1: we get to a yes? And so understanding the rules

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Speaker 1: and the rules continue to change, but making sure that

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Speaker 1: we stay on top of that. Understanding what the rules

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Speaker 1: and regulations are and how we utilize them to help

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Speaker 1: benefit our families, but also how we make sure our

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Speaker 1: families understand the rules and regulations. So it's not just

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Speaker 1: you know, big Ah coming up with we want to penalize. No,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to penalize anyone, but we do want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that we uphold the requirements we have

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Speaker 1: to uphold to continue to maintain some of the precious

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Speaker 1: resources we have. But when you think about innovation, what

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Speaker 1: I like to define innovation as being willing to take

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Speaker 1: a risk and try something different. And in the time

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Speaker 1: that we're in, especially from a housing affordability crisis, we

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Speaker 1: don't have a choice but to be innovative. We don't

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Speaker 1: have a choice but to understand what are the different

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Speaker 1: construction types out there that can help us not even

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Speaker 1: not just build housing cheaper, but also build it faster. Right?

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Speaker 1: What other program opportunities can we create? You know, if

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Speaker 1: we want to partner with a good Will, for example,

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Speaker 1: and create a specialized workforce development program for our residents

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Speaker 1: around Goodwill, what does that look like to get our

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Speaker 1: residents trained in clean energy because we know those jobs

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Speaker 1: are paying a way to forty dollars an hour plus, right,

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Speaker 1: So how do we start thinking in that manner? In

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Speaker 1: order to do so, how do we encourage the private

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Speaker 1: sector to assist us in creating some type of housing

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Speaker 1: subsidy program so that as we graduate our families off

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Speaker 1: of public assistance, they still have a window of maybe

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Speaker 1: six to nine months where they have assistance while we're

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Speaker 1: helping them stabilize financially. Those are the type of things

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Speaker 1: that we should be doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love the way you talk about like

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Speaker 2: partnerships and all the people that are kind of involved,

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Speaker 2: because I'm sure there are some people that think affordable

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Speaker 2: housing means cheap or means like that. But you all

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Speaker 2: are working with developers in the city and you know

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Speaker 2: all these different different groups culture leaders to help make

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Speaker 2: sure these things are affordable. Like, like, what's the goal

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Speaker 2: when you all kind of start planning a project to

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Speaker 2: make sure that it kind of checks all the boxes.

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Speaker 1: We want a project to be somewhere where we will

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Speaker 1: to live first and foremost. Right years, my very first

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Speaker 1: boss out of grad school told me that he said,

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Speaker 1: guy by name of Willie Horton when I was in Jackson, Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: he said, never expect a family to live somewhere we

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Speaker 1: wouldn't live. And so we start off with that main

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Speaker 1: goal of what, you know, what do people actually want?

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Speaker 1: And not planning for people, but planning with people to

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Speaker 1: understand exactly what type of product would they like to

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Speaker 1: see what type of housing would they like to have understanding,

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Speaker 1: and this is not the end user who would actually

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Speaker 1: live within the community, but also the neighborhood. How do

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Speaker 1: we work with the neighborhood to make sure that we're

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Speaker 1: being catalytic to the neighborhood and not damaging to the neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: And so really just having a pulse on the ground,

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Speaker 1: you know, making sure that we listen to what the

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Speaker 1: concerns are, listen to what the need is, and then

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Speaker 1: work collaboratively with our neighborhood, with our development partners, with

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Speaker 1: the city, with other public sector agencies as well as

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Speaker 1: the private sector to make sure that we build a

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Speaker 1: community that people can now only call home, but will

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Speaker 1: be value add to the neighborhood, which will reside in.

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Speaker 2: One of the questions I love to ask people when

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Speaker 2: they come on at you know, your level, the CEO level,

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Speaker 2: the president level, is how do you get there? Because

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of times you can it's easy

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Speaker 2: to connect the dots looking backwards, but I think, you

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Speaker 2: know a lot of people talk about want to be

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Speaker 2: a CEO or a leader. You know. It was funny

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Speaker 2: I had doctor Kevin James on the president of Morris

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Speaker 2: Brown and I asked him, I said, how do you

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Speaker 2: become the president of a college? And his answer was, man,

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Speaker 2: one day, I was watching the news and I saw

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Speaker 2: that Morris Brown didn't have a college, I didn't have

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Speaker 2: a president some stuff that obviously happened up there, and

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Speaker 2: so I did some research and I literally sent a

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Speaker 2: cold email and then I called them and then we

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Speaker 2: had a conversation in months later. He's like, I'm the president,

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Speaker 2: but I'm oversimplifying it. But like, you know, nobody really

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Speaker 2: understands that. So I love to ask people who are

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Speaker 2: CEOs and at your level, right, like, how does somebody

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Speaker 2: even get to that type of role. I know you

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Speaker 2: mentioned before that you've been the COEO there and you've

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Speaker 2: done some work, but just help people understand and kind

637
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Speaker 2: of connect the dots on how you actually ended up

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Speaker 2: in this role.

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Speaker 1: You no, absolutely, and so you know I started off

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Speaker 1: by telling you that it's a blessing to do this work.

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Speaker 1: And there's a scripture that I that I refer to often,

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Speaker 1: and this Romans eight twenty eight, and it literally says

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Speaker 1: all things work to the good of those who love

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Speaker 1: the Lord and will called according to his purpose. And

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Speaker 1: when I think about the trajectory of my career, I

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Speaker 1: will tell you it literally has. It literally has been

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Speaker 1: that I've been blessed to be in this field for

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Speaker 1: over thirty years. Literally have not been in any other

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Speaker 1: field other than community and economic development from the time

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Speaker 1: I graduated from college, and so it has been a calling,

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Speaker 1: holding different roles in different cities, but it literally, Brandon

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Speaker 1: has been a calling for me. And I've been able

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Speaker 1: to use the capacity to understanding I have from a

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Speaker 1: housing standpoint to be able to help people. And I've

655
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Speaker 1: had some wonderful mentors. And I didn't even understand because

656
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: you know early in my career that they were mentors,

657
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: but the first African American mayor for the city of Jackson, Mississippi,

658
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: was one of my mentors. While I was in graduate school,

659
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: I actually had the opportunity to labor and it was

660
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: labor at a nonprofit organization titled Misissippi Institute for Small

661
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: Towns and Harvey Johnson is his name, and Harvey actually

662
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: led a nonprofit organization that provided not just housing assistance

663
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: to families that were on the coast of Mississippi or

664
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: in the Delta Mississippi but also public facilities, wastewater improvements,

665
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: working with city plans and so watching Harvey and having

666
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity, you know, at the age of twenty to

667
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: literally see that work gave me the inspiration to really

668
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: want to dig deep into this field. And you know,

669
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: my career has been a trajectory of roles. But what

670
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: has been consistent in that to direct their roles, whether

671
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: it was Director of Housing and Jackson Directive of Housing

672
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta, Deputy Commission of City Planning in Atlanta,

673
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: the chief first chief Housing officer in this state, as

674
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: well as in the City of Atlanta. What has been

675
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 1: consistent is the fact that I have been able to

676
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: really use my ability to bring people together to have

677
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: the hard conversations to come with with solutions as to

678
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: how we can help our families have a different way

679
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: of life. And so, you know, when I think about

680
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: my career and being the CEO of Atlanta Housing, I

681
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: literally think about it. Clearly, I didn't know at twenty

682
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna be a year of Atlanta Housing. But

683
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: what I will say is that the latter I have

684
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: been on has prepared me, both good and bad, have

685
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: prepared me for the path that I'm at today.

686
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I was actually having a

687
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: conversation with my daughter. My daughter's thirteen, and we were

688
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: just talking last night about her getting I was like,

689
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: you need to get a summer job this summer. You know.

690
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: We kind of joke around because she said she wanted

691
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: to be a counselor at this camp. But then she

692
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I don't really want to have to,

693
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: you know, manage the kids and manage people. I said, well, look,

694
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: here's the thing. If you want to be a leader,

695
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: manage it. And that is kind of part of the role,

696
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: Like you can't really avoid that. So, you know, the

697
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: more practice you can get in doing it, especially you

698
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: know when little risk situations, you know what I mean,

699
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: like lips out.

700
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: But it's so much more to managing people, right, And

701
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: so I think about when I was thirteen, I actually

702
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: worked at the newspaper, the Resting Daily Leader. My aunt

703
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: worked at the newspaper, so during the summertime she would

704
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: bring us in to help roll papers as well and

705
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: then also deliver them. And what I learned by watching

706
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: my aunt is you have to lead by example, and

707
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: so you can't expect someone to do what you're not

708
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: willing to do. And you can't ask someone to quite

709
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: honestly lead if you're not leading. And so, you know,

710
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: I think it's important to understand the first aspect of

711
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: managing people is understand how you manage yourself and understand

712
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: what example, what example you're setting forth, and how you're

713
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: leading because leaders are always being watched, even when you

714
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: think you're not, you are being watched. And so when

715
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: people are watching, what do you really want them to see?

716
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: And for me, I want them to see. I want

717
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: them to see the same thing that I see when

718
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: I look in the mirror. I want them to see

719
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: someone who is desiring to be transparent, someone who is

720
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: desiring to be accountable, and someone who is desiring to

721
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: be inclusive of the work that we're doing.

722
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: What is this role taught you about leadership that no

723
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: other role has taught you.

724
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be here another two hours.

725
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: You know, we got time you keep it going. We

726
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: get testing all batteries all day.

727
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the most important, the important thing I've

728
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: learned about this role goes beyond the work. It really

729
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: leans into the power of influence and inspiration. In order

730
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: to influence and inspire people to follow you, because you

731
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: can have a title all day, loan, but you're not

732
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: a leader unless somebody's following you. And so really being

733
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: able to be aware of that, but also being aware

734
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: that I'm not the CEO just of Atlanta Housing. I'm

735
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: the CEO for every employee that comes in that building.

736
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: And so you know, I can't I can't have favorites, right,

737
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: I can't, you know, make decisions based upon personalities. I

738
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: have to make decisions. I have to lead the organization

739
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: based upon the organizational mission and creating the right cultural

740
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: environment for the employees that serve serve us on a

741
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: daily basis. And we have some excellent team members that

742
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: serve on a daily basis and so it's it is

743
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: my responsibility to lead them with integrity.

744
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's an interesting challenge. You

745
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: have to kind of manage, you know, the mission against

746
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: some of the potential titles and egos, and that's just

747
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: people in general, right like that, you know, like my

748
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: mom always told me, people gonna do what people gonna do.

749
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: But like at the end of the day, you have

750
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: to kind of like figure out how to manage that

751
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: and get the best out of your team.

752
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: And that's right.

753
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: You know, That's something I always kind of tell my

754
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: team is like, look, I know you can do a

755
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: lot of things, but the one thing I need you

756
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: to do is just through the thing that only you

757
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: can do. Yeah.

758
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: But you know, on that ego thing, I'm a firm

759
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: believer our brand has to be bigger than our ego.

760
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

761
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Right, you know, we could have an ego all day long,

762
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: but that ego is not going to move the needle

763
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: on the work that needs to be done. It's not

764
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: going to move the needle on the growth that we

765
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: need to experience, not just as an agency, but even

766
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: as individual contributors. Right, And so the question is what

767
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: is our brand? What are we collectively hoping to accomplish,

768
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: what are we collectively moving towards? And how do we

769
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: do it together? Now, everybody may not be happy every day, right,

770
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, nine times I can people will not be

771
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: happy every day. But that's where I have to, you know,

772
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: do my best and use my best judgment to make

773
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: the best decisions I can for the organization as well

774
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: as for the individuals that quite honestly serve the organization

775
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: and the families We serve and there oftentimes I have

776
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: to move my ego eut of the way to make

777
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: sure that my ego doesn't get in the way in

778
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: making it and quite honestly serving as an example for

779
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: moving that mission forward.

780
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you see kind of the younger generation,

781
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: you know, especially in Atlanta, the creatives, the influencers, like

782
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: all these people that are you know, really figuring out,

783
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: you know, where they're going to, what they're going to be,

784
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: and what they're going to do in Atlanta, Like, how

785
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: do you see them helping to help solve these housing

786
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: issues that we're facing.

787
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: Oh, my god, when you talk about innovation, that's where

788
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: the innovation is right one. The desire that I see,

789
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: the desire, the desire to be a part of the

790
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: solution that I see from the creative class is phenomenal

791
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: and so really being able to harness that energy to

792
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: help us have these conversations, but also they have they

793
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: have their ear to the ground and they're hearing things

794
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: that we may not hear. So how do we take

795
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: the knowledge and experience we have along with some of

796
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: the innovative and creative ideas, but also the things that

797
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: they are hearing on the ground. And use them to

798
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: collectively come together to make different solutions. One of the

799
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: things I remember when I first started started this particular

800
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: role as CEO, was someone from the culture, from the

801
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: creative class rather basically said hey, you know, to your point,

802
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: we don't really know what Atlanta houses supposed to do, right.

803
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: We know that it was you know, public housing. All

804
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: the public housing was demolished and now it's just a

805
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: lot of vacant land. What are you going to do different?

806
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm a build on it. Okay, I'm

807
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: a build on it. And if you know something else

808
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: that I should be doing, tell me, because we're you know,

809
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: we're not closed. Our ears are not closed to understanding

810
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: what people want to hear, different ideas that people have.

811
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, we did that most recently on our

812
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: bank Head site. You know bank Head, that area is

813
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: becoming mostly industrial, and so what we wanted to do

814
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 1: was basically understand what did the community want to see,

815
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: what did the creative class want to see, what did

816
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: the business community want to see. On that particular site,

817
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: we had over forty offerings of different concepts and ideas

818
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: as to how we should move forward with the redevelopment.

819
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: That site from housing to quite honestly, another good will center,

820
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: to an industrial plaza to a commercial plaza. It was

821
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: just all types of ideas.

822
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get that into sight and actually going

823
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: and talking to people. It's very easy to kind of

824
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: just sit back and you know, sitting in the office

825
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: and just kind of assume. But it sounds like you

826
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: all are actually really being intentional about getting out there

827
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: and talking to the people and ask them what they want.

828
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: We have to we have to. Atlanta deserves that. Yeah,

829
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Atlanta, and quite honestly, Atlanta

830
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: demands it. It just deserves it, but Atlanta demands it.

831
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: And it's the only way as an authority, as an agency,

832
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: that we'll be able to continue, quite honestly, having the

833
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: impactful role that we have with this community is making

834
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: sure that we listen to the community that we're hoping

835
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: to be a part of.

836
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said that in the beginning of this that

837
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, you've been Atlanta over twenty years. Just how

838
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: is your view and experience of the city kind of

839
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: changed over those years versus you know, twenty years ago,

840
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: Terry to you know, twenty twenty five, Terry.

841
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: So recently I'm laughing because I've reflected on that I

842
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: had an accident back in May that that caused me

843
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: to slow down a little bit, and in slowing down,

844
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: it also caused me to reflect on my own journey

845
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta, and and reflected on that journey I

846
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: didn't always have all. You know, it wasn't a reflection

847
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: a positive reflection over everything, but what it was was

848
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: an impact for reflection. And I will tell you the

849
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: twenty years, the twenty or so years that I've spent

850
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: in this city have made me who I am today.

851
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: And so the T shirt I have on is that

852
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: life is just better in Atlanta. And I will tell

853
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: you life has been good for me in Atlanta because

854
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: it literally grew me, grew me to the person that

855
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: I am today. And as I reflect on the opportunities

856
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: that I've been given here, I reflect on the fact

857
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: that we I have had an opportunity to be a

858
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: part of footprint that will help to make this city

859
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: the place that is desired and become an affordable, desire

860
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: marable city that anyone who desires to call Atlanta home

861
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: can do.

862
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: So. Do you remember what the song was playing in

863
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: your car when you came to Atlanta twenty years ago.

864
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: I Do I Do It was It was a gospel song, actually,

865
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: Kirk Franklin, My life is in your hands. And at

866
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: that time I was in a gold four door hundred Civic.

867
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean Hunter of Cord missed my Hunter chord too,

868
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: but I was in a gold Hunter Accord and I

869
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: was literally an I twenty right at six Flags exit

870
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: and it was on the chorus and you could see

871
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: the right there at that exit, you could see the

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Speaker 1: skyline of the city. It's a beautiful skyline. And at

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Speaker 1: that moment, you know, because prior to coming to Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: But the chorus of the song was I know that

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Speaker 1: I can make it. I know that I can stand

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Speaker 1: no matter what may come my way. My life is

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Speaker 1: in your hands. And that has proven to be true

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Speaker 1: for me throughout my journey personal professional in Atlanta. My

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Speaker 1: life has always been in his hands, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and so yes, life is just better in Atlanta and

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Speaker 1: it's been it's been a good.

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Speaker 2: Journey, absolutely, and well, look we're getting ready to wrap

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Speaker 2: this up, but I just want to ask for we

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Speaker 2: get out of here. We talk about people talk about

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Speaker 2: legacy all the time and what they want to leave behind,

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Speaker 2: Like what impact do you hope that you know your

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Speaker 2: time at Atlanta Housing leaves on Atlanta that.

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Speaker 1: We understood that it was more than just about building housing,

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Speaker 1: but it was also about building people and families, and

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Speaker 1: we were intentional. Every action we took had a footprint

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Speaker 1: to make sure our neighborhoods were better, but also that

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Speaker 1: the people that we had the opportunity to serve were

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Speaker 1: better for our lead because of our leadership.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, look, Terry, this has been a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you pulling up. Before we get out of here,

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Speaker 2: please tell people how they can and get more information

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Speaker 2: about Atlanta Housing, how they can learn about the different programs.

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Speaker 2: It's give them all the things.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So first and foremost, follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: We're on Instagram, We're actually on Facebook as well as

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Speaker 1: LinkedIn at Atlanta Housing. And then please please please go

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Speaker 1: to our website www. Atlanta Housing dot org sign up

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Speaker 1: We have a section on our website where you can

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Speaker 1: sign up to receive our newsletter at Newsletters, as well

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Speaker 1: as any information about the organization, and we want you

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Speaker 1: to follow us. We want you to be a part

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Speaker 1: of the work that we're doing, and quite honestly, we

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you. We want to hear the

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Speaker 1: good stories. We also want to hear the not so

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Speaker 1: good stories, but we want to hear anything that we

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Speaker 1: can do to become better in this city.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, Miss Terry Mlida m Sands from Michelle, y'all

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Speaker 2: don't forget it, but thank you so much for pulling

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Speaker 2: up for button Nomics. We appreciate all the amazing work

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Speaker 2: that y'all are do in Atlanta housing to make sure

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Speaker 2: that people have opportunities out here. It is much needed,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we hope that people take advantage of learned,

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Speaker 2: take advantage the programs that learn some of this conversations.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming out.

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Speaker 1: No, Brandon, thank you, I really appreciate the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Thank you absolutely. With that said, y'all, that's the pod

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Speaker 2: we out. You've been listening to Button Nomics and I'm

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