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Speaker 3: What's going on? My son, Lennon, I'm black blessed?
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Speaker 3: How are you as well? I see you got your
Speaker 3: free AT shirt?
Speaker 2: Yes, free At. My brother at Mitchell is trying to
Speaker 2: get his conviction which what we call e sponge. You
Speaker 2: know he was he was falsely convicted.
Speaker 3: I can say it all over again.
Speaker 4: Yes, my brother At is trying to get his conviction sponge.
Speaker 2: Yes, my brother At, our brother At Mitchell man is
Speaker 2: trying to get his conviction sponged. And he started his
Speaker 2: whole campaign called free At No More Bars, So I'm
Speaker 2: definitely represented for him.
Speaker 3: I need to get me a T shirt. Free At.
Speaker 4: This is our brother who is the anti violent Czar
Speaker 4: of New York City.
Speaker 3: That's number one.
Speaker 4: AT and I started along with Erika Ford many many
Speaker 4: years ago, working to get resources in New York City
Speaker 4: for anti violence work. You all have heard us talk
Speaker 4: about this before. We started out with no money. We
Speaker 4: got to five million, after really pressuring the elected officials
Speaker 4: to focus on grassroots efforts that would help us to
Speaker 4: curb violence.
Speaker 3: In the community.
Speaker 4: We went through a whole lot, but we went from
Speaker 4: again zero to five million and now over one hundred
Speaker 4: million dollars that is being invested into local grassroots groups
Speaker 4: around the city. And the data is very clear that
Speaker 4: where these programs exist, people are absolutely bringing the number
Speaker 4: of violent incidents down, giving our youth more opportunities, and
Speaker 4: just also providing holistic approaches to dealing with violence that
Speaker 4: does not lean on police in counter in police intervention.
Speaker 4: They're still, of course, you know, issues with in terms
Speaker 4: of policing in these communities. I can't say that it's
Speaker 4: solved the problem, but we know that they're based upon
Speaker 4: the data. We know that there has been some significant change.
Speaker 4: And our brother at is one of the leaders of
Speaker 4: that movement. He really keeps the community of anti violence,
Speaker 4: the CBI community Violence Intervention movement, and the crisis management
Speaker 4: system operating across the city. And as you said, now
Speaker 4: he has a campaign to get his own record expunged
Speaker 4: and we support at one hundred percent. We ask that
Speaker 4: people who are listening, doesn't matter if you're from New
Speaker 4: York City, you can be from anywhere around the country
Speaker 4: learn more about At and support his campaign for the
Speaker 4: expungement of his records.
Speaker 3: So we love you AT, we support you. We're with you.
Speaker 2: Free atre At because if free At, if you have
Speaker 2: free AT.
Speaker 3: The next comes me. I like that campaign. I like
Speaker 3: the campaign.
Speaker 4: So the State of the People Power Tour has really
Speaker 4: been an incredible labor of love. I tell you, while
Speaker 4: we have definitely been engaged, we haven't worked nearly as
Speaker 4: hard as some of the people who have been twenty
Speaker 4: four hours. I have to give a shout out to
Speaker 4: our own Victoria.
Speaker 3: Panel, who has been VP's.
Speaker 4: Right the until Freedom representative, holding us down as we
Speaker 4: work on a million projects, book tours, boycott black Murder,
Speaker 4: the work that you all are doing in Newark and
Speaker 4: around the country. Of course Angelo building a whole conference
Speaker 4: that is you know that is actually in progress right now.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's so much happening, and we've been so busy.
Speaker 4: And it was my birthday, which was a major production
Speaker 4: that landed in the middle of it. Your birthday also
Speaker 4: landed in the middle of the tour, so we had
Speaker 4: a lot going on. We were present often, we led
Speaker 4: at least two particular cities. And when I say led,
Speaker 4: you know, yes, we picked those cities. We supported the
Speaker 4: infrastructure and worked alongside our people in Newark, New Jersey,
Speaker 4: and of course in Louisville, Kentucky, as much as possible
Speaker 4: in other cities where we support it. But the team members,
Speaker 4: the many team members with Angela Raie and a number
Speaker 4: of people I don't want to get myself in trouble,
Speaker 4: have worked, like you. I don't even know how to
Speaker 4: explain the type of effort that has been put into
Speaker 4: this tour. And you know, I think that the main
Speaker 4: thing that people need to know is that rather than
Speaker 4: sitting around with our lips poked out, complaining about what
Speaker 4: isn't and who didn't do this, and who hurt our
Speaker 4: feelings and all of that, and you know, and definitely
Speaker 4: in this political climate, rather than sitting around and just
Speaker 4: kind of looking hopeless, we said, no, we actually have
Speaker 4: a lot of power, and we're going to do what
Speaker 4: we always do, which is to go into our local
Speaker 4: community and spend the type of time necessary learning, loving
Speaker 4: up on our people, collaborating with our people, dealing with
Speaker 4: some of the backstories and the issues that we have
Speaker 4: that need to be massaged and work through in order
Speaker 4: for us to be able to stand together and to
Speaker 4: get through this turbulent time in our society. And we said,
Speaker 4: there's so many people who have skills already, they have resources,
Speaker 4: they're doing major work in their local communities, and their
Speaker 4: voices just need to be uplifted. Their programs need to
Speaker 4: be exposed to the world, their ideas need to be supported.
Speaker 4: And when I think about what the tour has done
Speaker 4: and the different tour stops in terms of the mutual aid,
Speaker 4: doing things like helping people with groceries and with gas
Speaker 4: and electricity bills, doing things like bringing out services of
Speaker 4: all sorts, and also uplifting local services as well as
Speaker 4: rallies and town hall meetings and listening sessions and local
Speaker 4: led activities. I mean, this has been a true not
Speaker 4: just labor of love, but labor and all of it,
Speaker 4: all of it with the exception of security, because you know,
Speaker 4: we gotta pick make sure we pay security. And of
Speaker 4: course I don't want to say technical av audio visual
Speaker 4: team there you go, look ahead to me, could get
Speaker 4: your words together. The audio visual team. Everyone else has
Speaker 4: been a volunteer unless you are a staff person like
Speaker 4: Victoria who works for one of the major organizations, the
Speaker 4: Coalition and the partners, and you were assigned to support
Speaker 4: this project, to work on this project. But overall, everybody engaged,
Speaker 4: and some of the most critical people in this entire project,
Speaker 4: they are volunteers. Every dime that was raised has been
Speaker 4: poured into the communities and these local engagements. And I'm
Speaker 4: talking about when I say people spending their own money,
Speaker 4: I'm talking about travel, everything, hotels. I'm saying that there
Speaker 4: is and I'm not saying that that's a model that
Speaker 4: we want to replicate and that it needs to continue.
Speaker 4: There has to be another way because people can't necessarily
Speaker 4: afford it. But people believed in this tour so much
Speaker 4: and have been home feeling frustrated, you know, and feeling
Speaker 4: like we can't just I can't sit around. And they said,
Speaker 4: we're not gonna wait for the money. We're gonna go
Speaker 4: and the money will meet us and things will get done.
Speaker 4: And so I'm excited that we have captured some of
Speaker 4: the Louisville content specifically. And you go ahead and talk
Speaker 4: about what your experience was being there in Louisville for
Speaker 4: the State of the People Power Tour. And so you
Speaker 4: go ahead and you know, talk about what your experience
Speaker 4: was in Louisville, Kentucky, and also what the tour has
Speaker 4: really meant to you.
Speaker 2: Yes, Louisville was definitely an eye opening. It just it was,
Speaker 2: like you said, a label of love. You know, Louisville
Speaker 2: is like I was second home. You know, we have
Speaker 2: been there a while. But when you see those familiar
Speaker 2: faces and we go down and we're in those familiar
Speaker 2: places to Meeka Palmer with with the Katura Haran who
Speaker 2: will be coming up the next room, we're talking about
Speaker 2: all of the government officials and just the Freeway family,
Speaker 2: you know. And we opened up with our party in
Speaker 2: which we met with the people and we danced and
Speaker 2: we talked and just feeling that camaraderie and that love.
Speaker 2: You know, based on what happened with Breonna Taylor, we've
Speaker 2: built a family in Louisville, Kentucky. And that's why we
Speaker 2: were very adamant, you know, even like you said, they
Speaker 2: didn't give pushback, we were very adamant that we wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure that that was one of the tour
Speaker 2: stops and that we galvanized the energy and brought some
Speaker 2: resources back to Louisville and they're always very appreciative, you know,
Speaker 2: and just watching the growth from the people in Louisville,
Speaker 2: just understanding how you know, we we seen people grow
Speaker 2: from regular protesters to being elected officials. That we watched
Speaker 2: Nicole Hayden, who who was one of the on the
Speaker 2: ground people, just build her own organization and just watched
Speaker 2: her become this leader and it's just it's always beautiful
Speaker 2: to see that.
Speaker 3: But just along with the.
Speaker 2: Tour, you know, the our Boycott Black Murder shout out
Speaker 2: to Angelo, you know, we do a training and course
Speaker 2: about boycott Black Murder, and we teach people what boycott
Speaker 2: Black Murder is and what it came from. And we
Speaker 2: get engaged with community people who have gun violence issues.
Speaker 2: Some of them have actually lost family members to gun violence.
Speaker 2: Some of them have family members who are in prison
Speaker 2: based off gun violence. And the stories and the tears
Speaker 2: is always like very emotional. So that's something I love
Speaker 2: to do in East City that we go to. But
Speaker 2: you know, this thought was, like I said, it's a
Speaker 2: lot more personal for me, you know, as we still
Speaker 2: fight for justice for Breonna Taylor. You know, seeing Tamika
Speaker 2: Palm is always something that gives me joy and pain
Speaker 2: at the same time because I love her so much
Speaker 2: and to see her still fighting for Breonna Taylor, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just invigorating to me. So Louisville was nothing short
Speaker 2: of amazing.
Speaker 4: I think everyone felt that, and you know, as you said,
Speaker 4: the whole Breway family included. And we have to make
Speaker 4: sure we give a lot of love to Nicole Hayden
Speaker 4: and Nicol Yates, who were the co chairs, if you will,
Speaker 4: of that tour stop, and I can tell you it's
Speaker 4: not easy because, as we know, in every single city,
Speaker 4: there's always the difference of ideas and opinions and that
Speaker 4: energy that we all experience. And you know, the two
Speaker 4: of them coming together working together was quite funny to me.
Speaker 4: But I love to see how whether they were fighting
Speaker 4: about who was going to present particular again ideas and strategies,
Speaker 4: or if they were organizing other people and really trying
Speaker 4: to make sure that everybody in the community felt involved,
Speaker 4: whatever the issues, whatever the things were, they ended up
Speaker 4: producing an incredible, incredible, incredible tour stop. And so just
Speaker 4: thankful to both of them, and also thankful to our
Speaker 4: baby sister Jania, who is and she was there. Jania
Speaker 4: is the sister of Brionna Taylor who lived in there,
Speaker 4: and she's with child, and.
Speaker 3: She is with child, she's about to have a baby. Yes,
Speaker 3: so having.
Speaker 4: Her around carrying a little Brionna and her stomach is
Speaker 4: so special. I'm not sure of the gender of the baby,
Speaker 4: but I will say that we know Brianna lives through
Speaker 4: Jania's belly, and so it just was exciting and I
Speaker 4: want for to know that, Yes, we did have some
Speaker 4: good moments.
Speaker 3: And so first of all, it was super high, as it.
Speaker 4: Always is and Louisville always and we did have some
Speaker 4: powerful moments of you know, dancing, like you said, camaraderie
Speaker 4: and planting, and they sent families home with things that
Speaker 4: they need to start their gardens.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, great things.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, there was some very serious discussions,
Speaker 4: very serious panel discussions, town halls and listening sessions.
Speaker 3: With the community.
Speaker 4: And so we've got a little bit of you know,
Speaker 4: some of the discussions and the interviews that we did
Speaker 4: for the TMI podcast, the TMI Show to meet getting
Speaker 4: my Son's information to who are our guests this week?
Speaker 2: Yes, like I already stated, Katoa Heron is going to
Speaker 2: be one of our guests along with Nicole Hayden that
Speaker 2: we just finished speaking of. And to end it off,
Speaker 2: we have our co founder of Until Freedom, attorney Angelo Pinto,
Speaker 2: is also one of our guests today.
Speaker 3: Check it out, Check it out.
Speaker 4: The TMI podcast, The TMI Show with my brother my
Speaker 4: son who is not here because he's actually in a
Speaker 4: workshop here in Louisville leading a workshop on gun violence prevention.
Speaker 4: That we are live and we're talking directly with people
Speaker 4: who have many, many, many layers and levels of solutions
Speaker 4: and brilliant and strategy for our community. And it's two
Speaker 4: super bad, super bad individual rules who are here in
Speaker 4: front of us. I want to read their bios so
Speaker 4: that I give you the proper acknowledgment, but then I
Speaker 4: want to talk about why the two of you are
Speaker 4: so important to us on this show. So Nicole Hayden,
Speaker 4: who was one of the city leads here in Louisville
Speaker 4: to make this incredible two days of focus on our
Speaker 4: people and our community happen. The Cole Hayden is a
Speaker 4: Louisville based community strategist and founder of the Friends of
Speaker 4: Nicole Network, which until Freedom has had the privilege of
Speaker 4: supporting and collaborating with for the last five years. And also,
Speaker 4: oh we excuse me, at the Friends of Nicole network,
Speaker 4: she leads initiatives that empower young women of color through
Speaker 4: mentorship and advocacy. And the wake of Brionna Taylor is Killing.
Speaker 4: She served as a community laison for Until Freedom That's true,
Speaker 4: helping organize protests and connect national activists to local grassroots efforts.
Speaker 4: And then my dear sister, Senate Katura Heron. Now, before
Speaker 4: I even say anything else, let me just say that
Speaker 4: she was not Senator Katura Heron when we first met her.
Speaker 4: She was an organizer for ACLU Louisville. And this is
Speaker 4: not even her first elected position. So from an organizer
Speaker 4: when we first got here to now two times elected,
Speaker 4: maybe three times elected, I don't know how many you'll
Speaker 4: tell us that part, but elected to different levels, moving
Speaker 4: on up the scale on her way to national leadership.
Speaker 5: For sure.
Speaker 4: In government, she is Senator Heron represents. Senator Heron represents
Speaker 4: Kentucky's thirty fifth Senate district and has dedicated her life
Speaker 4: to advocacy and reform. In twenty twenty, she worked with
Speaker 4: community and elected leaders to pass Brianna's law at the
Speaker 4: local and state level, which without law no knock warrants
Speaker 4: in the state of Kentucky. Some of it passed more
Speaker 4: work to be done. But these are two super bad
Speaker 4: individuals who are doing work within the community and also
Speaker 4: just growing in your leadership. And let me say that
Speaker 4: for us at until Freedom, to watch the growth of
Speaker 4: this city and the individuals in the city has been
Speaker 4: incredible because we know we had our little hands in
Speaker 4: different parts of how that happened. We promised Nicole Hayden
Speaker 4: when we first met the first weekend we were here,
Speaker 4: the first night we sat down and had a conversation,
Speaker 4: we promised that not only would we not exploit the community,
Speaker 4: but that we would continue to be here and we
Speaker 4: would never leave. And that's a commitment that I've made
Speaker 4: to every single family and community that I've been in
Speaker 4: since I started over twenty years ago, because I was
Speaker 4: told by my mentors that the most important thing you
Speaker 4: can do is not the work when everybody is there,
Speaker 4: but it's the work when nobody is there, right, And
Speaker 4: we have continued that until Freedom to come back here
Speaker 4: and to work with the two of you. So I'm
Speaker 4: so excited to have both of you sitting here today
Speaker 4: our show when we talk about the one hundred years,
Speaker 4: excuse me, when we talk about the hundred days of
Speaker 4: Trump's presidency. We have been trying to pair boots on
Speaker 4: the ground with legislators and media representatives and strategists so
Speaker 4: that we have a feeling of what comes out. What
Speaker 4: people get to see is that those two things have
Speaker 4: to work together.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's no way for us to do work with just
Speaker 4: an elected just the boots on the ground individual They have.
Speaker 1: To come together.
Speaker 4: So the first thing I want to talk about for
Speaker 4: both of you is how you see that working together.
Speaker 4: That you are an elected leader, how important is it
Speaker 4: for you to have the Nicole Hayden's and everybody the
Speaker 4: people of your city, right, Melvin and.
Speaker 1: Brother big Baby and you name it, everybody.
Speaker 5: An yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, pushing to help you get things done. Because I
Speaker 4: think some folks, some elected officials, don't think they need
Speaker 4: the people until this election time, and then the people
Speaker 4: boots on the ground.
Speaker 1: Don't always see the need for elected officials.
Speaker 4: So I want you all to talk about that dynamic
Speaker 4: and how important it is.
Speaker 6: I mean, first, thanks for having us on and always
Speaker 6: coming back and showing love as you promised, and coming
Speaker 6: from an organizer to now elected, I'm actually talking to
Speaker 6: Angelo and I need to write these things down to
Speaker 6: come back and teach the community. Because what I realized
Speaker 6: is it the work that we were able to do
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty. It was organizing an organizing strategy and
Speaker 6: an the legislative strategy. And I think oftentimes where we
Speaker 6: fought is that either legislators just want to do it
Speaker 6: their way or the community just wants to do what
Speaker 6: they're way, and until both of those things is working together,
Speaker 6: then you're not gonna get policy passed. That was how
Speaker 6: we were able to get Brianna's Law passed as quickly
Speaker 6: as we did obviously in the moment, but there was
Speaker 6: a community organizing strategy, and then the legislators the electeds
Speaker 6: had to be working behind the scenes and figuring out
Speaker 6: what that is because the dynamics are different and community
Speaker 6: may not be able to always move that elected, but
Speaker 6: there's other people in this other body, whether it's lobbyists,
Speaker 6: whether there's other business leaders.
Speaker 5: That can move some of those people.
Speaker 6: And so there has to be the legislative strategy and
Speaker 6: the community organizer strategy.
Speaker 5: And I think.
Speaker 6: That that's one of the things that I've been trying
Speaker 6: to wrap my head around for so long, is how
Speaker 6: how do I display and show that we've got a
Speaker 6: lot of great people in the City of Mobile. But
Speaker 6: I do think that, you know, one of the downfalls
Speaker 6: that we have is we have not done a great
Speaker 6: job of us all coming together and making this thing
Speaker 6: work together.
Speaker 1: Work strategy of of all.
Speaker 4: You know, time that you've been even organizer and or
Speaker 4: and elected, where have you seen the power of the
Speaker 4: people and the legislative process come together.
Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, Brianna's Law when we look at that
Speaker 6: during twenty twenty, when we went to get a Brianna's
Speaker 6: Law passed, when you called the City of Louisville, the
Speaker 6: voicemail said press one for Breonna Taylor related issues, two
Speaker 6: for everything else.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 5: And what we were able to do, and what people.
Speaker 6: Don't know is that the first piece of policy that
Speaker 6: we gave the Metro Council, it wasn't a complete full band.
Speaker 6: And what we actually was fighting against was language that
Speaker 6: we first originally gave them.
Speaker 5: Right and so like we made the call and said
Speaker 5: we wanted.
Speaker 4: We so legislators without your involvement, gave them language that
Speaker 4: you had to go fight or was it right?
Speaker 6: So there was community folks, myself and a dude named
Speaker 6: Terrence Sullivan. We are the ones who actually wrote that first,
Speaker 6: the first the first copy, and then it evolved. We
Speaker 6: gave it to Metro Council. They ran with the language
Speaker 6: that we had. The goal was to get coalition to
Speaker 6: work together, but they said they wanted to move fast,
Speaker 6: so they took our first draft of the language and
Speaker 6: they ran with it. But after we had some days
Speaker 6: to read it, we were like, no, we needed a
Speaker 6: complete band and we can do that and so and
Speaker 6: so that's what we actually ended up fighting. And what
Speaker 6: we did was we had like I think originally like
Speaker 6: four or five council people this said that we support
Speaker 6: a complete band. So what we did was we put
Speaker 6: on social media and we said we want to thank
Speaker 6: these five council people for supporting a complete band.
Speaker 5: So then other council members was like.
Speaker 6: Well we supported, were like, yeah, but you don't support
Speaker 6: a complete band.
Speaker 5: If you want us to thank you, you got to support
Speaker 5: a complete band.
Speaker 6: And that's how we was able to eventually get the
Speaker 6: four twenty six to get behind the complete band, because
Speaker 6: at first people was like, we can never do a
Speaker 6: complete band. But if there's an emergency situation, what if
Speaker 6: my daughter's kid? Now, what if this is happening? And
Speaker 6: it's like, no, we know, and in real time, if
Speaker 6: it is that emergency situation, law enforcement can go in.
Speaker 6: If you hear shooting in a building, you can go
Speaker 6: in and and respond. But let's be very clear that
Speaker 6: we need to do a complete ban and and and
Speaker 6: common sense and in the moment less you know when
Speaker 6: you can't go in if it's an emergency.
Speaker 1: Talk about your.
Speaker 4: Not so much the role in this, but your understanding
Speaker 4: of the importance of community and what the legislators are doing.
Speaker 1: Even like ca terror has been like my go to terror,
Speaker 1: What does this mean?
Speaker 5: Who does this? And that's what we've been doing in community,
Speaker 5: like really taking it back.
Speaker 4: Of course, we need the legislators and people that Metro
Speaker 4: counsel to continue and push policy, but also got keep
Speaker 4: in mind that people in community and neighborhoods don't know
Speaker 4: a lot of this language, and so so the expectation
Speaker 4: of people to know what these things are. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: we got to take it back to this and educate
Speaker 4: our people. So that's really what we've been focusing on,
Speaker 4: like educating.
Speaker 5: What does a legislative do? What does a representative do?
Speaker 4: You know, basically having those conversations, having workshops, having training
Speaker 4: and again when it's time to vote, having those classes
Speaker 4: and ahead of time, having those conversations early on so
Speaker 4: that people can be informed. So whether that is some
Speaker 4: bullet points on a piece of paper that we can
Speaker 4: share on social media, whether that's some bullet points that
Speaker 4: we can share in text, but a lot of people
Speaker 4: believe it or not, just don't know what that is.
Speaker 4: And so we've just been taking our time post twenty
Speaker 4: twenty is to really educate community and going inside the neighborhoods,
Speaker 4: inside of schools and educating our youth, making sure letting
Speaker 4: them know where they hit seventeen that they can pre
Speaker 4: register to vote.
Speaker 5: So we've been doing a lot of community.
Speaker 4: Engagement that way, like educating the community on like what
Speaker 4: can they do before it's time to vote, but also
Speaker 4: who's on the ballot beforehand and knowing what those roles
Speaker 4: really mean. Yeah, you know, not every legislator gives people
Speaker 4: access to be able to call.
Speaker 1: Them and ask questions. Is that the community organize.
Speaker 4: A side of you or do you just think all
Speaker 4: politicians or to have their cell phone numbers floating around
Speaker 4: the community.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've worked with youth my whole life, so
Speaker 6: I've had the same numbers since I was like eighteen.
Speaker 6: And the reason why I've kept my same numbers because
Speaker 6: sometimes I have young people call me who I worked
Speaker 6: with ten or fifteen years ago, and so I just
Speaker 6: never have never gotten a different number. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 6: sometimes it's a gift and a curse. I'm you know,
Speaker 6: do people have too much access to people?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 6: But I am of the community, of for the community,
Speaker 6: and I want people to know that they can reach
Speaker 6: out to me.
Speaker 5: But I also have had to set some boundaries and.
Speaker 6: Get people to know and understand just because you have
Speaker 6: access to me doesn't mean you get to abuse it.
Speaker 5: And I also have to teach people you know what
Speaker 5: my position is and what I'm able to do.
Speaker 6: But I believe given access, it's important, but it is
Speaker 6: a tight line because we have to also take care
Speaker 6: of ourselves in order for us to continue to do
Speaker 6: the work.
Speaker 4: How important is that that you can pick up the phone,
Speaker 4: Nicole and say, hey, I'm getting ready to go to
Speaker 4: a meeting and I don't know myself right, Like, that's
Speaker 4: another problem that I think some of us and I
Speaker 4: don't have this issue. I thank God that he delivered
Speaker 4: me from me knowing everything.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's okay. You can look at.
Speaker 4: Me like I'm dumb, and I'll raise my hand in
Speaker 4: a room full of people and say, I don't understand
Speaker 4: the words that you're saying. You know, straight up, I
Speaker 4: don't know that you know, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: act like how important has that been for you to
Speaker 4: be able to call Katuro or Shamika whomever and say,
Speaker 4: help me understand this so I could go relay it,
Speaker 4: especially to our young people who need to know.
Speaker 5: It's very important.
Speaker 4: Like, look, Saious, she was one of us before she
Speaker 4: we came in office, so she's been boots on the ground.
Speaker 4: So just having those connections, even Shamika persson Wright, like,
Speaker 4: we were all boots on the ground together, and I
Speaker 4: knew that once they leveled up, they were going to
Speaker 4: be important to me to be able to communicate to
Speaker 4: the community.
Speaker 5: And to me, it's like you gotta have that, you
Speaker 5: gotta have that connection.
Speaker 4: You gotta know who's doing what and even stepping outside
Speaker 4: of the norm to pick up the phone. I see
Speaker 4: her and moving around in traffic and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: pe'st what this means.
Speaker 5: But she's always encouraging you got this, you can do this.
Speaker 4: And even who's next in line, even if it's not yournico,
Speaker 4: who's next in line?
Speaker 5: Who do we need to get for pro and novel?
Speaker 4: Like, Okay, this young person, this young person's let's get
Speaker 4: them connected with you.
Speaker 5: Let's get them in conversation.
Speaker 4: It may not be big, Sure, it may be three
Speaker 4: years down the line, but we need to get them
Speaker 4: in communication and conversation to.
Speaker 5: Know what's now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I was gonna say, you know, one of
Speaker 6: the things that you said, I tell people that as well.
Speaker 6: I don't know everything. My background is juvenile justice. That's
Speaker 6: what I I know front to back. You can't tell
Speaker 6: me nothing about it. But there's other things about housing
Speaker 6: that I need you know, information about or about codes
Speaker 6: and rags. I don't know that language you know, and
Speaker 6: so so it is important. And I actually lean on
Speaker 6: some of the folks who know more than me and
Speaker 6: prepare me for meeting. So one of my homegirls gave
Speaker 6: me the whole thing for a meeting that I just
Speaker 6: had and the person I was meeting with was like,
Speaker 6: that's an excellent idea and ran with it.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't me, but.
Speaker 6: It was somebody from the community who is an expert.
Speaker 6: And so my role as well, it's to take their
Speaker 6: expertise and the meeting right it does you will.
Speaker 4: You include that person with you on the journey to
Speaker 4: getting there.
Speaker 6: Yes, they don't want to be because it's political, but
Speaker 6: that they did, they would definitely be there. But they
Speaker 6: know that it's best for me to have the seat.
Speaker 6: But they're giving me the information. And so after the meeting,
Speaker 6: I'm like, yo, they bit, you know, they writing it
Speaker 6: down and.
Speaker 5: I need to get them a document in the next
Speaker 5: two days.
Speaker 6: And so then we me and that person collaborated was
Speaker 6: able to send this document and it's going to be.
Speaker 5: Rolled out in in a way.
Speaker 6: But but it's their expertise that I'm a allowed to take,
Speaker 6: you know, to the rooms because I don't know everything.
Speaker 4: So the last thing I wanna talk of two two things.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask you all about the inspiration of this tour,
Speaker 4: which has been hard and we know they're saying that
Speaker 4: in every conversation. It's not easy. So we'll talk about
Speaker 4: some of that. But the consent decreed, right, I feel
Speaker 4: like it's such a slap in the face to watch,
Speaker 4: uh the federal government say that our lives don't matter,
Speaker 4: because I I we know that the investigation that was
Speaker 4: done to get to the point of a court order,
Speaker 4: which is the consent degree. Uh, just it uncovered what
Speaker 4: you all already knew, which is that there's an abuse
Speaker 4: of police power in this city that many of our
Speaker 4: young people and particularly people in general who live in
Speaker 4: the West End and other places that are deeply concentrated
Speaker 4: with folks who are under resource, are under siege with
Speaker 4: policing here in the city.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, Louisville. You know, I protested a
Speaker 1: lot of places.
Speaker 4: I've been a lot of places, and we've been in
Speaker 4: some contentious fights across this country.
Speaker 1: But here there.
Speaker 4: Is almost a klu klux Klan mentality policing, or at
Speaker 4: least it was during the summer of twenty twenty, and
Speaker 4: the militia was out there mixed up with the police
Speaker 4: doing whatever they wanted to do, whatever reason.
Speaker 1: When they had the we were under what you call at.
Speaker 4: A time, Why do wife folks with the big guns
Speaker 4: were under excuse me, a senator, why do wife folks
Speaker 4: with the guns was still able to be out and
Speaker 4: the police wasn't chasing them, but they were chasing us.
Speaker 1: That's an issue.
Speaker 4: And so this the Department of Justice's findings about all
Speaker 4: of the issues, the corruption and the abuse was very serious.
Speaker 4: And to have the federal government decide to go further
Speaker 4: than just investigating, but to actually say, here's a court
Speaker 4: order that you all have to follow in this city.
Speaker 4: And now we have a mayor who took a long
Speaker 4: time to sign it. There was a mite to get
Speaker 4: him to sign it. What do you think he's.
Speaker 1: Going to do now? What do you all want to
Speaker 1: see him do? And what do you how do you.
Speaker 4: Feel knowing that the blood, sweat and tears. I think
Speaker 4: about Travis, our young brother, who gave his life literally
Speaker 4: in this work, leaving a protest that day when he
Speaker 4: was killed. What does it feel like to watch our
Speaker 4: rights and the work that has been done just rolled back.
Speaker 4: We can start with you, Nicole, and then can you
Speaker 4: talk about, as an elected official in this state, what
Speaker 4: work has to be done to make sure that the
Speaker 4: consent decree is abided by even without the federal government's input.
Speaker 4: For me and my role is just to continue to
Speaker 4: keep the community inspired, you know what I'm saying. Through
Speaker 4: everything that's going on it, you know, especially with a
Speaker 4: consent degree, there are people that have been on the
Speaker 4: ground organizing, trying to submit a resolution I think as
Speaker 4: of tomorrow, and it's basically to encourage them. That's really
Speaker 4: been my role. You know, it hurts, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying to say, it doesn't hurt. It hurts, you know,
Speaker 4: but again you know, not to be consumed with all
Speaker 4: of it. Is to keep them encourages for me has
Speaker 4: been my role and allow them to you know, continue
Speaker 4: to feed me with information so that I can give
Speaker 4: it away to a community. So as they've been organizing
Speaker 4: on the ground within it with officials, with themselves taking
Speaker 4: that resolution that they're going to be presenting tomorrow and
Speaker 4: being able to tell the community about what that is.
Speaker 4: By today, we have a workshop that the talks abouthicacent degree.
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know exactly what that is,
Speaker 4: that language. So just having those workshops and those conversations
Speaker 4: for a community has really been my.
Speaker 6: Role inness you know it it was it's very hurtful.
Speaker 6: And I think that during the time like this, it's
Speaker 6: a time for individual self reflection and collective self reflection.
Speaker 6: And that's what I've tried to do, you know, since
Speaker 6: we heard But but but what I what I think
Speaker 6: or what I what I've come to is that one, uh,
Speaker 6: the work is the same no matter who's elected. And
Speaker 6: I think that that is something that oftentimes we forget
Speaker 6: as people.
Speaker 5: Is is that uh?
Speaker 6: And when I say that the work is the same,
Speaker 6: the strategy is different, is is that we as a community.
Speaker 5: Should have been more, been doing more to be prepared
Speaker 5: for this moment, right.
Speaker 6: And so now as a leader, I'm thinking what what
Speaker 6: can I do to take the information and experts that
Speaker 6: I've had as an organizer to now as an elected
Speaker 6: to continue to educate the community. One two Regardless, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna make sure I'm in the room. Right. And so
Speaker 6: the mayor just announced that he's doing a I forget
Speaker 6: what they called it, but it's gonna be eight community members,
Speaker 6: I think, seven elected officials and some organizations. And I'm
Speaker 6: gonna make sure as an elected official that I've got
Speaker 6: to a seat at that table. And it's hard because
Speaker 6: the community is like, hell, no, this is not what
Speaker 6: we want, right, Heck no, this is not what we want.
Speaker 6: But we have Yeah, but we have to.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all that are that.
Speaker 6: But but it is my role again to be at
Speaker 6: the table and take the voices and.
Speaker 5: The concerns of the people and be there.
Speaker 6: And so as an elected I have to one encourage
Speaker 6: my other elected officials that we have to stay on
Speaker 6: top of this, that we have to continue to put
Speaker 6: pressure on this mayor administration. But when we talk about
Speaker 6: what's happening state, why until we in Louisville start to
Speaker 6: build coalition with our country cousins and brothers across the state,
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. You know, there's one hundred House members
Speaker 6: in Kentucky and there's a twenty who are Democrat and
Speaker 6: there's eighty who's Republican.
Speaker 5: And in the Senate there's thirty eight members.
Speaker 6: We just had one member switched from Democrat to Republican,
Speaker 6: so there's six of us in the Senate, right, And
Speaker 6: so when we talk about building power, there's police issues
Speaker 6: with the white rule folks. There's police issues in Lexington
Speaker 6: and Richmond and Paducah and all these places. And until
Speaker 6: unless we come together around these issues, we're not gonna
Speaker 6: get anything statewide as far as policy goes, and so
Speaker 6: we have to do a better job of yes, organizing here,
Speaker 6: but we have to also understand how we getting out
Speaker 6: across the state to hear the concerns.
Speaker 5: Because our country.
Speaker 6: Brothers and sisters and cousins, they got the same are
Speaker 6: fighting the same issues. It just looks a little bit different,
Speaker 6: but it's the same thing across the state.
Speaker 1: You know. I want we're gonna wrap this up.
Speaker 4: But as I heard you talking just now, I can
Speaker 4: literally see people saying, which leads us right to the
Speaker 4: last topic. I can literally see people saying, Oh, Katora
Speaker 4: got the big head.
Speaker 1: Now she's talking about state stuff.
Speaker 4: Now she wanted to talk about going to these other communities.
Speaker 4: Why not just focus on Louisville. See, that's why we
Speaker 4: shouldn't have elected her.
Speaker 1: She got the big head, you know, and I can
Speaker 1: hear it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know how it goes, because you have a
Speaker 4: now that you've been in elected office, you see the
Speaker 4: full playing field. And sometimes when people only live in there,
Speaker 4: they're not i won't say small, but limited square footage. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they don't understand how the bigger pie.
Speaker 1: And when you start pulling on them to move this way.
Speaker 4: And to stretch that way becomes problematic because they just
Speaker 4: the division is to be. Yeah, So do you feel
Speaker 4: like that it's happening to you a little bit?
Speaker 1: And how are you gonna combat it?
Speaker 4: How are you gonna bring people along with you to
Speaker 4: help to educate them on the process so they know
Speaker 4: that when you're not in.
Speaker 1: Louisville, and it doesn't mean you're not on the job.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean absolutely I feel it. But what for
Speaker 6: some people don't know? I'm not from Louisville. I'm born
Speaker 6: and raised in Richmond, Kentucky. The county that I grew
Speaker 6: up in, Madison County is the first county that starts Appalachia.
Speaker 5: So I'm country. And I was just home two weeks ago.
Speaker 6: We had a fish fried in and barbecue and so like,
Speaker 6: I know, and I have people I was, you know,
Speaker 6: my cousins have been harassed by the police in these places,
Speaker 6: and so I just know that that's what we need
Speaker 6: to do. The other thing is we got the Black Church,
Speaker 6: that is all of you got the Baptist conventions. I'm amme,
Speaker 6: the A and me still get together, stay wide, and
Speaker 6: so there are people and if we really want to
Speaker 6: be liberated, I mean that's just what it is. And
Speaker 6: and and the people who don't want to be liberated,
Speaker 6: they're not.
Speaker 5: Gonna come along with it. And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 6: And so for me, it is that I have to
Speaker 6: do my job and and and do what God has
Speaker 6: called me to do.
Speaker 5: Like trust me, trust me.
Speaker 6: There's days I wake up and I say, God wise
Speaker 6: is my assignment? Because sometimes it would be easier not
Speaker 6: to be elected. You know, I would be able to
Speaker 6: go and make more money. I'm broke as hell right now.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. It would be easier not
Speaker 6: to have all eyes on me. Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 6: would be easier not to have my eyes have eyes
Speaker 6: on me. And so yeah, trans yeah, yeah, do anything, yes,
Speaker 6: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: To be in.
Speaker 4: Community is a sacrifice. And appreciate you for making a sacrifice.
Speaker 4: I remember the first time I met you, I had
Speaker 4: to bow down and apologize because we overlooked your your
Speaker 4: presence and role in the Brianna law Brianna's Law fight
Speaker 4: and did a whole campaign with all these celebrities because
Speaker 4: first of all, I was just so excited that people
Speaker 4: who usually don't want to have anything to do with
Speaker 4: my work were like, yes, I'm ready to use my
Speaker 4: voice from at least she always wants.
Speaker 1: To have something to do with our work. But Ellen
Speaker 1: degenerous and all these folks in the name.
Speaker 4: Of all but they all got involved and we did
Speaker 4: not include you in that campaign. And I remember coming
Speaker 4: to you and just being like, I am so sorry.
Speaker 4: I meant it with all of my heart. And it's
Speaker 4: you know that's it wasn't just the fact that you
Speaker 4: accepted my apology.
Speaker 1: It was how you did it.
Speaker 4: You did not yell at me and cuss me out
Speaker 4: and talk bad about me and write on social media
Speaker 4: that I ain't shit and until for you they not.
Speaker 4: We had a conflict resolution process of me repenting and
Speaker 4: you accepting and acknowledging and in us becoming sisters from there.
Speaker 1: And I acknowledge that I.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you and I want you to know that you
Speaker 4: are going places that you have you don't even know
Speaker 4: it yet, right like we believe in you. I believe
Speaker 4: that you will be a national force for our community,
Speaker 4: and we will continue to pour resources and support into
Speaker 4: you becoming that because you have exactly what it takes
Speaker 4: so anytime that you get that little feeling of being
Speaker 4: like man, I just want to throw my hands up.
Speaker 4: Just remember that we believe in your people are counting
Speaker 4: on you to keep going.
Speaker 5: Thank you, appreciate it. Thank y'all.
Speaker 4: Don't talk about conflict resolution, but I think we kind
Speaker 4: of covered it in that we just got to work together.
Speaker 1: Che This tour is all about being God che been called.
Speaker 5: Choice.
Speaker 1: That's Ryan.
Speaker 4: I like to do a work workshop every single tour. No,
Speaker 4: he ain't got no choice.
Speaker 5: Thank you, appreciating, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: We are that live from Louisville at the State of
Speaker 4: the People Power Tour.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: The tm I Show has been live all day interviewing
Speaker 4: so many people, local organizers, folks who have do national work,
Speaker 4: and it's really been incredible conversations.
Speaker 1: And for a little while we lost.
Speaker 4: My other half of the t m I Show, my
Speaker 4: son the General.
Speaker 1: But now you're would love to hear about where you went.
Speaker 4: I did tell the folks, but who could tell people
Speaker 4: where you were? And you know Attorney Angelo Pensau, who
Speaker 4: was our brother and also one of the co founders.
Speaker 1: Of untol Freedom.
Speaker 4: Uh, you were with my son away somewhere mysterious doing
Speaker 4: some some mysterious work. She can't tell us a little
Speaker 4: bit about aprils over here laughing, but.
Speaker 5: You start set it off.
Speaker 7: We had a hardship and old Boycott Black Murder, that's right,
Speaker 7: was one of my virtuildren, which was Angelo. I love
Speaker 7: that so yes, Angela is one of the closest spirits
Speaker 7: with in Boycott Black Murder.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 7: In which we do workshops Bongo stay to stay here
Speaker 7: and music wake up station. On workshop, we talked about
Speaker 7: caused them out, how they spread in our communities, How
Speaker 7: do we combat and dogs the violence in our pities.
Speaker 7: What are the the WoT causes, you know, how do
Speaker 7: we chase narrative, how do we chase the culture around it.
Speaker 7: We engaged with a lot of the local people in
Speaker 7: the community talk about their experiences with violence, and we
Speaker 7: had very It was a focus. There was one Madiutlook,
Speaker 7: I think she might left, but she soon as we
Speaker 7: open up, you know, she told us about her experience
Speaker 7: and violence, how she was brother a cousin's when somebody
Speaker 7: got shopped in the head inside.
Speaker 8: Home in the past.
Speaker 7: Year, within the last a few months, and yeah, in March,
Speaker 7: I believe it had lives just so I was so
Speaker 7: impacted by the US and how sometimes it causes you
Speaker 7: to wanting to tell it.
Speaker 2: So a woman, you could tell this she she wasn't
Speaker 2: about our teams, she like, you know, we talked about.
Speaker 5: All these things with Sometimes when you.
Speaker 7: Think about people harming your loved ones are takeing and logos,
Speaker 7: you want someone else to do that paint. You know,
Speaker 7: She's it doesn't make do bad person, but it's just
Speaker 7: a reality that nobody talks about.
Speaker 5: And it was so real. It was It was so.
Speaker 7: Many different conversations, but that was oneing to I had
Speaker 7: to go hug delay after we had their conversation.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and how you respond with I think oftentimes we
Speaker 8: do the work every day, So we do violence prevention
Speaker 8: work every day, and we've been doing it for so long.
Speaker 8: I think sometimes times we forget that we're talking to
Speaker 8: folks who may not be familiar with the work, and
Speaker 8: then the question becomes, how do you help folks understand
Speaker 8: how this work is happening.
Speaker 5: So that was a lot of what we did.
Speaker 8: We spoke about how the reason why violence prevention work
Speaker 8: has become so effective is because now we're looking at
Speaker 8: violences of public health fish. That's the first pivot, right,
Speaker 8: This is it spreads like a disease. Right, people are
Speaker 8: affected by it and now take on some of the
Speaker 8: tendencies that caused violence. But in places like Nork and
Speaker 8: New York City, even in Birmingham, we've seen and implemented
Speaker 8: effective models that have created change. And even in Newark
Speaker 8: we've seen homicides go from one hundred and forty or
Speaker 8: so to less than forty in of two or three years.
Speaker 5: How did this happen? Right One, there was an investment
Speaker 5: that took place.
Speaker 8: The mayor took a million dollars out of the police
Speaker 8: budget at one percent of the police budget, which equated
Speaker 8: to about twenty million dollars, created the Office of Violence
Speaker 8: Prevention and Trauma Recovery, created the Brick City Peace Collective,
Speaker 8: which pulled all those organizations together, identified how Irish interventionist,
Speaker 8: credible messengers and individuals who could take guns out of
Speaker 8: people's hands, stop homicides and also change from a culture
Speaker 8: of violence.
Speaker 5: To a culture of peace.
Speaker 8: So it's important for people to understand I think the
Speaker 8: nuance and how the work happens, particularly in places like Louisville,
Speaker 8: so they could replicate it. Right because one of the
Speaker 8: things we heard was that there was all there is
Speaker 8: an office in Louisville that is supposed to address violence,
Speaker 8: but we know violence is increased. So what's not happening,
Speaker 8: that's what's not being effected. How do national folks and
Speaker 8: partners come into actually enhance the work and make it effective.
Speaker 8: So we talked about all of those things and so
Speaker 8: much more as a robust conversation.
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, and you said it was a fact house of.
Speaker 4: People who will soose communionyms amsungs where I met people yesterday,
Speaker 4: especially at the rally. I met people who drove in
Speaker 4: from Cincinnati who fluent.
Speaker 5: We saw of Cincinnati folks.
Speaker 4: Around the country so that they could get to you know,
Speaker 4: people watching it.
Speaker 5: It's what stops.
Speaker 4: They like, I gotta get there so because I have
Speaker 4: something to say and the.
Speaker 8: People here are the leaders. We said that in the
Speaker 8: room too, We said, and we said this about Louisville
Speaker 8: all the time. Louisville has the answers, but oftentimes, just
Speaker 8: like in a neighborhood, we said that Mysion says it
Speaker 8: all the time.
Speaker 5: We've taken the neighbor.
Speaker 8: Out of neighborhood and now it's just a hood, and
Speaker 8: what that means is there's a culture that comes with
Speaker 8: just being a hood, right, and how do we transform
Speaker 8: that culture and now identify the leaders which we have
Speaker 8: all around us and have them step into the positions
Speaker 8: they need to step into career change because that's the
Speaker 8: only way it's going to happen. The folks in Louisville
Speaker 8: who are leaders have to step into leadership roles to
Speaker 8: transform the existing ecosystem.
Speaker 5: And we've seen it time and time again.
Speaker 8: We don't talk about it a lot, but I remember
Speaker 8: when we went to Akron because the brother who got kills,
Speaker 8: Jayalen Walbur, was shot at think forty eight times by police,
Speaker 8: ninety two shots. And I remember we were clear that
Speaker 8: if we left and we weren't an integral part of
Speaker 8: their strategy, they would not get the tension they need
Speaker 8: and this case would not get the account of And
Speaker 8: that's what happens. And I think what I heard from
Speaker 8: some folks here in Louisville is that when you don't,
Speaker 8: when Louisville doesn't get the spotlight and attention that sometimes
Speaker 8: comes with national attention, sometimes ground is lost too. So
Speaker 8: the question becomes, how does Louisville get to grow and
Speaker 8: be Louisville, and how do we bring attention to Louisville
Speaker 8: that's necessary and.
Speaker 5: I think we happen to come here in a moment
Speaker 5: where that.
Speaker 8: Can happen around this consent degree piece again where Louisville
Speaker 8: has the spotlight on it. But the question becomes, what
Speaker 8: do you do with the spotlight? How do you use
Speaker 8: it to elevate Louisville and create real changes here?
Speaker 5: Because the mayor's this is a different kind of mayor.
Speaker 8: We were here where we were placing Yes, we were
Speaker 8: placing pressure on the mayor.
Speaker 5: He wasn't the best, but we know he would We
Speaker 5: could move them.
Speaker 8: And now it's a different set of circumstances and the
Speaker 8: question becomes how important and can you shift this existing mayor?
Speaker 8: And if not, who does the next person coming behind
Speaker 8: him me to be?
Speaker 5: And how does the community dictate that?
Speaker 1: Well, it's all get about spotlight. You have your own show.
Speaker 1: Why don't you sell folks?
Speaker 5: Andrew?
Speaker 1: How the thank you? How do I hear watch you
Speaker 1: and follow you and see the content that you're producing.
Speaker 5: So I have a show called Lettered Rip. It comes on.
Speaker 4: Qunitiving and Okay, start all over again and say let
Speaker 4: it rich.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll try.
Speaker 8: I have a show called Lettered Rip. It comes on
Speaker 8: QUNY TV and PBS, and the show really focuses on
Speaker 8: the political sphere. We try to bring a progressive of
Speaker 8: what we like to say, a left leaning perspective into
Speaker 8: the media conversation because, as y'all know, oftentimes, and this
Speaker 8: was helpful for Trump's administration, a lot of the media
Speaker 8: is now rightly a tremendous amount and they've been able
Speaker 8: to shape public perception. And I was asked to do
Speaker 8: the show because the producer said, we need in this
Speaker 8: particular moment, new conversations around.
Speaker 5: Progressive and left ideas.
Speaker 8: How do we popularize these ideas and get them to
Speaker 8: the folks. So please, you know, watch letter Rep.
Speaker 5: It's a good show.
Speaker 3: Let it show.
Speaker 7: So I just wanted to end this stuff for still
Speaker 7: Issuel does amazing work outside of is also uh.
Speaker 5: Teacher, that's true.
Speaker 1: Where are you? So?
Speaker 8: I was the inaugural Activist and Residents at Yale University,
Speaker 8: so we actually created the program and now the second
Speaker 8: Activist and Residence is coming there too, and they're actually.
Speaker 5: Working on gun violence. So they focused specifically on gun violence.
Speaker 8: I'm an adjunct at Seaton Hall and I teach a
Speaker 8: community practitioner class at Kane University of in Jersey, so
Speaker 8: I teach a lot.
Speaker 7: About We talked about we talked about this violence intervention working.
Speaker 2: We're talking about what is going to be necessary.
Speaker 5: So it's going to take real leadership.
Speaker 3: It's going to see incredible message.
Speaker 7: And that's the main thing and we spoke about in
Speaker 7: our meeting.
Speaker 5: He was young people, We're talking about how those need
Speaker 5: to be small.
Speaker 3: Talk about your emotion.
Speaker 5: That's one of the crazy about because about speed or
Speaker 5: it's around a lot of genius.
Speaker 7: Issues with women women.
Speaker 3: This is a jus.
Speaker 5: Don't relate because you know, you know, those are big.
Speaker 2: Conversations, a very conversation and anytime always wet to do
Speaker 2: this work is really a camera.
Speaker 8: And we told one of the big pieces we mentioned
Speaker 8: is that community control. We said, what we've seen shipped
Speaker 8: around communities that have less violence is that communities have
Speaker 8: taken control over how they address safety.
Speaker 5: Right, it's not just.
Speaker 8: That, you know, we don't want the police to do
Speaker 8: what they do, but we know the community has.
Speaker 5: A particular skill set that.
Speaker 8: Oftentimes is not funded in that utilize and when we
Speaker 8: come in and do the work we allow that to flourish.
Speaker 1: Thank you, You appreciate me into co founded until Freedom.
Speaker 4: So thank you so much everybody who has tuned in.
Speaker 4: If you have not watched all of the interviews that
Speaker 4: we were able to capture during the Louisville stop of
Speaker 4: the State of the People Power Tour, please go to
Speaker 4: our YouTube page which is at TMI Show PC on YouTube.
Speaker 3: You can watch all of the videos.
Speaker 4: In fact, you can watch many of the episodes of
Speaker 4: the TMI Show, but you can find all of the interviews.
Speaker 3: Of what took place on this tour.
Speaker 4: I know folks are saying, what's the point, what's the objectives,
Speaker 4: what are you guys doing?
Speaker 3: You can find that information out.
Speaker 4: And you know, as far as these particular interviews, we've
Speaker 4: had some very powerful people. You heard from Pastor Mike McBride,
Speaker 4: You heard from Tef Poe, You heard from Attorney Lanita Baker.
Speaker 4: You heard from, of course, Attorney Angela Raie. You also
Speaker 4: heard from Dowana Thompson, one of the baddest organizers in America.
Speaker 3: You also heard from Karen.
Speaker 4: Finney, who is a political commentator and has been one
Speaker 4: of the key organizers on this tour as well, and
Speaker 4: today you heard from our dear sisters Nicole Hayden and
Speaker 4: Katura Heron, So it's action packed and if you haven't
Speaker 4: listened in, please make sure you go download all the episodes,
Speaker 4: whether you are listening or watching on YouTube.
Speaker 3: That's right.
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