WEBVTT - Black Music Month QLS Classic: James Mtume Part 1 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.240 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.040 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.200 What up, y'all is Laiyah from Team Supreme. Okay, So 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.840 it's June, and you know it is Black Music Monk 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.160 now this month and its cause was started by my godmother, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.560 Dianna Williams, the legendary Kenny Gamble, and the great ed 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.919 right back in nineteen seventy nine after being invited to 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.040 the White House along with the Black Music Association. Now, 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.320 the Black Music Association was a group of black folks 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.040 that were the best of the best of the music industry. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.440 I'm talking record execs, I'm talking radio people, I'm talking artists. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.199 I'm talking to everybody from Clarence Avon and Frankie Crocker 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.720 to Percy Sutton, everybody in the middle right. So they 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.800 all get invited to this big party on the White 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.839 House lawn June seventh, nineteen seventy nine. And before the 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.919 performances started, President Carter said many things addressing and reminding 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.720 people of the importance of Black Music Monk. And one 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:59.280 of the things he said was end quote in many ways, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.880 the feelings of our own black citizens throughout the history 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.000 of our country has been accurately expressed in the music, 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.640 and it presents a kind of history of our nation 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.280 when you go back and see the evolution of black 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.039 music word. So we've spoken a lot about Black Music 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.200 Month on Questloves Supreme, and this June we are running 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.479 a different episode from the QLs archives every single day 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:25.240 in the name, spirit and cause of Black Music Month. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.000 Next up, we are honoring a legend who has transitioned 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.000 and so we continue to honor him, the amazing James 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:34.720 M Two men. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:47.919 Suprema Supremo, Role called Suprema Supremo. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:55.680 Roll call Suprema su Supremo. Role call Suprema Supremo. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.800 Yeah, that's not surprising. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:00.440 Yeah. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.040 My sign is artichoke. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:10.240 Yeah, with the sparagus rise Supremo. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.639 Roll Suprema Son Supremo. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.240 Roll my name is Fante. Yeah, and I can't stop, 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.799 won't stop. You are the key to my love life. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:30.400 Supremo Suprema Supremo, roll call, I Love Air toe Yeah. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.959 And Deodato Yeah, put this guy here. Yeah he played 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:36.120 with Gotto. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:44.240 Suprema Son Son Supremo, roll call Suprema Son soun Supremo. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:47.480 Roll called I'm unpaid Bill. Yeah, you know who you are. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:49.960 Yeah, don't let it hold you down. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:51.320 Reach fold. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:03:01.440 Supremo, roll, Suprema Son Supremo role, don't be concerned. 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.440 Yeah, Boss Bill's return. Yeah, vacation was great. 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:13.040 Yeah, time off well earned. Suprema. I haven't been on 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:13.959 the train for like a month. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.680 You yeah. 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.360 Yeah, yeah, we don't. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:27.399 Supreme. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.239 That was like turn Supreme roll. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.680 My name is Willie Yeah, oh really yeah. My sign 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.920 is all the choke. Yeah with a green pea vison. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:55.080 Supreme roll, Suprema, Supremo, Role, Supremo, Supremo, Role Supremo So sore. 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:04.280 Wow, gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Course Love Supreme. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.320 Let's welcome back our boss, Boss Bill. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.600 They're always calling the shots from Europe. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.480 Okay, but so long you also realized that we was, 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:17.680 you know, taunting you while you was away. 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:24.280 It was definitely while cats away. You really think I cared? 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.679 I think I was thinking about this show. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:26.960 How was Amsterdam? Bill? 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:27.840 I don't remember? 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.640 Good answer was good answer? 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:31.400 Good answer? 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.560 Yeah, welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. We 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.920 got the team Supreme here, we got Boss Bill, unpaid Bill, 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:40.520 uh fan. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.400 Ticolo and it's light Yah. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.640 Yeah we we we decided to commit on a name 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.880 that's consistent, and this is the second week in row 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:57.080 that like calling you. It's like, yeah, our distinguished guests. Oh, 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.880 I'm sorry, and we got Steve. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.280 Don't take it personal. I'm sorry man. You know we're 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:05.920 best friends. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:11.440 Man, I mean looking right at me, that was well played. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:12.520 Uh. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.080 I just think what yesterday, ladies and gentlemen. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:21.040 Uh has has achieved a lot, and in the world 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.120 of jazz, in the world of pop music and soul 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.640 music and R and B and uh, I guess inadvertently 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:35.000 hip hop as well. You know, absolutely he has had 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:40.040 his his his histories is just a who's who of 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:44.120 of history. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.200 Maybe maybe I went to Amsterdam. 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.760 It sounds like it sounds like, yes, ladies and gentleman. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.720 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, uh the incomparable James m 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:55.559 too maate to question. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:00.400 Yes, thank you very very much. Thank you want to 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:01.680 be here, man, Thank you so much. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:02.279 Thank you. 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.600 We we know you have stories in history. We are 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.160 live in electric lyad the studios right now. You're about 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.640 to tell us you you've been here a few times. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.400 Man, that's the I think the first time I was 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:19.000 in here was like seventy four. Wow, I remember been here, 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.800 like I can't remember. You know, jazz. A lot of 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.120 jazz records were done here in the seventh I think 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:27.800 the last time I was here was. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.760 Would be Loud Yeah, yeah, yeah, with my son fire. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:33.240 Yeah. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.840 It's something about this studio that makes artists forget who 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.760 they were. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:38.520 That's the same question. 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.080 He was like, I'm here, like my man just quoted 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.040 I come in here, I look up there, gotto him. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.159 Yeah that was my Yeah, that was my mayor. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.320 So are you you know? 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:52.719 Not many people know that you are a Philadelphia something? 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.400 Does phil you know that you're a Philadelphia? You know what? 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:01.640 That's a great question. Most people don't know that, although 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.599 I've always made that clear. Brother was born and raised 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.240 in South Philly. I left when I was eighteen. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.680 To go to college in Pasadena. But South Philly. 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:15.400 Man, Yeah, but are you? Are you even in the. 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:20.440 Nothing, I never got any wreckord. No, No, I will. 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:27.720 It's crazy, I will probably I'm not playing Devil's advocate 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.600 because you know, if you're if you're on a border 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.480 committee like that, I would hope to think that you 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:34.920 would do your thorough research. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:36.480 But I don't. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.760 I mean, based only that you don't do that much 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.119 press or no, a lot of press, and I'm pretty 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.200 much a sponge for this type of information. I truly 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:54.200 didn't know that until maybe, you know, three four five 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:55.880 minutes ago. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.360 You know what's deep about that? Brother? That's why into 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.320 y'all when I heard that y'all was from Philly the roots. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:04.920 Really, yes, sir, it. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.520 Makes sense now. Yeah, so you're born in South Philly where. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.960 Uh fifteen twenty six Warton Street, right across the street 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:14.320 from Barrett Junior High. I went to Overbrook High Overbrook. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.880 Yes, sir, Wait, year did you go to Overbrook? Damn 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:18.520 you getting deep? 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.320 I went. I graduated in sixty six, so I think 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.280 was that sixty two? Because remember back then high school 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.600 started in tenth grade. Okay, you know you had Junior 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.319 High right and then high. So yeah, and I went 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.880 to Overbrook because I went to school. I was a 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.599 swimmer and over in the South and Southern didn't have 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.560 a swimming team. And my uncle lived in the right 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.520 around the corner from Overbrook, so I used this address 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:47.000 and commuted every day. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:51.520 It's weird you say Southern, because my era of Southern 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.400 was like Joe Clark's lean on me southern right rights. 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.840 Matter of fact, West Philly High School is the same way. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.160 Like you know back in back in those day. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.720 But was it cool to go to southern if you 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:03.120 wanted to? 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.360 Well, you know, it wasn't that many bloods really, you know, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.640 it was a whole You gotta remember, South Philly wasn't 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:09.120 what it was. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:10.480 I mean back then. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.840 I think my family when we moved there, we were 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.320 probably about the second family black family that was in 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:18.120 that area. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:19.480 What did your folks do? 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:20.440 Uh? 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.560 Well, let me let me get this this great question. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.280 Uh. My biological father is is a Jimmy Heath, Great Jimmy, 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:29.280 yes sir, and. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.840 Of the of the Heath brothers, my uncles Percy my uh, 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.079 of the uncle's two dy uh Coomber. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.680 The father that raised me was was was a great 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.640 pianist named James heng Gates foreman. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:45.600 Uh. 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.760 He played with Bird, he played with Dizzy, he played 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:53.440 with Lester Young, you know. And as a matter of fact, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.080 Bill when he was Billy Billy Holliday paid for my parents' 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:01.160 wedding with my mother and yes, sir, down in Washington 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.040 is my sister's god mother. My sister's passed, but Dona 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:09.640 who are we gonna go there? Brother, I'm seventy years old, 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:13.040 but I've been in this thing. Man, when I was 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.520 ten or eleven. I just briefly say this. I remember 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.520 sometimes be at the table dinner. There's dizzey beless people. Wow, 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.200 there's still lonely this monk, there's cold Trane. I'm not 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.320 gonna say I knew how hip that was, but I 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:27.920 knew I was in some special shit. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.560 What was the dinner conversation like with those kind of people? 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:36.160 Nine man, I just knew it was like wow, you know, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.160 And as I got older, the deep part is that 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:40.800 I ended up playing with some of these people. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:42.520 When did you appreciate it? 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:44.439 The intellect and the humor. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.960 One of the funniest people in the world was Miles 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.280 Dats and a lot of people don't because you know. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.079 You see him as just the serious sky. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:58.000 Man, funniest cat in the world. All jazz cats are funny. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.320 I think Dave Chappelle, uh you cats were played on it. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.360 I think when he had that block party and I 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.680 saw him sit down and he started playing around midnight, 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.000 I said, Lord, and he was talking about the humor of. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.920 Monk and timing, you know, man, it was. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.400 It was very special. Uh, Sonny violence, I played with 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:19.719 all these cats. Well, I'm sorry, I was going to 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.800 add this. Well, I'm like, I'm old, so I get them. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:23.240 You already take it out. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.760 My father, Jimmy Heath and and myself are the only 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.720 father's son historically that ever played with Myles. 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:34.959 Father played, and the son played with Mars. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:37.800 And when you when you were with Myles, what were 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:38.200 you playing? 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:38.720 Percussion? 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:39.440 Placussion? 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:39.680 But I was. 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:40.320 I also played. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.840 You know, obviously I didn't write songs or scored, but 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:44.479 I'm a keyboardst Okay. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.439 So can I ask, well, first of all for the 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.760 Heath brother's question, yes, sir, because they mean a lot 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:52.120 to us. 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.800 For another reason, who was playing? 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:55.480 Who's playing? 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:56.000 Uh? 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:00.200 Colimba on Danny Cow that wash? 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.680 Yeah? Okay, so that even makes more sense keyboards. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.200 Do you care to elaborate for the people that that 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.120 don't listen to Nas. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:16.880 I don't care to welcome back? 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.559 Okay, okay, So basically for hip hop heads that care 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:27.040 about the artist sampling? Uh A well loved Heath Brothers 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:32.439 song called Smiling Billy was sampled by Nas. Uh q 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.440 Tip sampled it on NAS's One Love and so, and 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.040 the beating that's also sampled, of course, yes, the beating 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:38.720 on style. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.000 But silely cow. I didn't, Yes, I that's that one. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:43.520 I didn't know. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.520 I didn't know that he was in the crew, and 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.719 I didn't know they were from Philly. But I was 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.679 saying that when these luminaries are like coming to your 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.720 house and and just hang with you, no one, yeah, 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.640 no one appreciates it when they're young. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.400 I did, well. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:05.160 I was saying, like, so you instantly knew and appreciated it. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.120 Like I said, I'd be lying to say that young, 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:09.680 I just knew it was something special. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:11.760 I knew it was something special. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:16.480 And sometimes the cats would stay with it, like if 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.560 they were working Philly, like Sonny Stick would live with 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.720 us for that week. And I remember one day waking 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:26.280 up he was in the backyard practicing playing afato. Barry Harris, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:30.080 a great jazz pianist, stayed with us. He's with Cannonball 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.000 back then, and they come and play. I was going 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.080 in the clubs when I was fourteen and fifteen. I 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.480 couldn't buy no drink, but I you know cats, you 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.000 know said, you know, get a little little punk a 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.160 coke us up you know, but I used to go 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.560 there and hear yousef PEPs and the show. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.559 But oh yeah, man, so. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:47.880 What was the okay? 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:54.839 So described the Philly cabaret music scene, like, what was it? 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.160 Where could you where could you go see? What was 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.719 the typical lineup like? And to see these shows? 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.240 Well, you know there were especially in Field. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.600 Well back in them days, every city had a ton 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.400 of jazz clubs and that's where them you know, obviously 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.560 you notice, you know as as well as I do. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.280 That's where you went to hear the music. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.120 It wasn't until Miles came along that jazz started breaking 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.160 on the concert. You know, you go pay money and 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.200 sit in the in the in the you know, Lincoln Center, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.320 you know, and in places like that. But the clubs, man, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.520 you know, that's where it was, and it was the 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.040 crowds were so hip. The bebop audience was as hip 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.840 as the cats on stage. Cause you had to know, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.360 you know, you wasn't you wasn't hip if you didn't 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.040 have the new cold train, you know I'm talking about. 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.800 I'm in junior high school, man, I. 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.920 Couldn't wait when you know, Milestone and cond of Blue 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.080 came out and I used to study every solo and 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:54.520 I would hum them. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.480 That was my introduction to this music. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.400 So at your at your time, when you were coming up, 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.040 jazz was like the pop music of your time, the 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:02.840 real hip hop. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:09.440 Dig it was that. And I'm also growing up with 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.040 Frankie Lyman and the teenagers Why the Fools fall in love? 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.520 So it's the birth of black R and B. And 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.280 this whole youth, you know, was w D as Georgie 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:23.040 woods Man with the Goods. You know, every night I'm 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.440 listening to that. Now, this is a funny story. And 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:26.840 if I'm talking too much, y'all come. 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:32.640 That's what we want. So normally we talk. Please talk 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:33.120 more than me. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.560 See one thing you gotta remember back then, growing up 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.680 in a jazz household was almost like and listening to 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.320 R and B was almost sacrilegious, you dig uh, It's 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.240 like you know people who grow up in the church 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.240 and they go into funk and armby. Oh wait a minute, 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.120 you know. So I used to have to listen to 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.680 my stuff real low, you know, at night. But I 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.960 have then that we had transistor radios. I have it 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.560 under the pillow, and I used to hear all these cats. Man, 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.440 you know, Georgie Woods and back then, you know, it 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.720 wasn't this like if he dug a record and Kenny 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.480 Gamble told me this. He said, sometimes him and the 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.400 Huff would cut a record and run right up to 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.800 the station and dropped on him and he played four 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.280 times in a row, because that's how you broke records 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:16.680 back then. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.480 Wow. So you know, so I'm growing up with jazz 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.080 and the birth of R and B. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.160 Slight slight confession time, Yes, sir, And it's kind of weird. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.680 I'm I'm your story in reverse. 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.120 So for all the Prince for Glory stories I've ever 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.720 told about being on punishment for Prince and parents, yeah, 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:41.280 being all that. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.520 Actually Prince wasn't first. I mean, Prince was prevalent. But 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:52.440 the very first time that my parents pulled an intervention 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:59.800 on a mirror listening to secular, salacious pop music was 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.920 I had flim flammed, and you know, I asked my mom, like, YO, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:08.879 buy me the juicy food. Oh god, you know, I 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.560 was like to I was in California asking my mom, like, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.000 give me juicy food forty five. She was like, no, 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.800 that's that's a lollipop everywhere. Noah. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.520 And then I tried to do it on dad like that, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.800 and then they did that, Wait didn't you already ask 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:21.120 your mother? 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:22.960 And asked me so. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.520 Before they issued the your un punishment joint. Then I 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.520 kind of snuck. I had an older cousin that was 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.320 sort of like an aunt, and we were just in 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.439 together in the mom you know. She she brought me 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.640 like two forty eight. She brought me a New York 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.080 New York by Grandma's and plasts and furies five and 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.080 then just in passing, like I decrabbed the juicy food 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.080 forty five and brought it and thought I was cool. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:52.159 Then I got caught with it. My punishment. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:53.919 With jazz. 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.560 Wow, Like this is where. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.480 I don't know my dad's version of extra sizing it 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.760 out of there, but this is where she made like 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.600 I could listen to nothing but Coltrane for like a week. 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.359 What a punishment, you know? 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.600 And I was mad, you really, It really wasn't until 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.199 I went to high school and got it right. So 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.000 all the knowledge that I had to impress Chris McBride 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.960 and all those cats, it was based on all the 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:24.719 jazz thanks to him to me. And I'm a jazz artist, right, 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.840 So it's like in reverse. But I mean where you're. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:34.320 I know that the from the Motown angle. I know, 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.080 like a lot of the Funk Brothers. 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.160 Kind of looked down right jazz cats that look down 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.760 on pop music and all right, let's just make this 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.440 check real quick and you know, get out the way. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.840 But this is really not an art That's what I think. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:48.440 That was real. 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:53.119 But I mean where you're like to sneak to listen 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:54.359 to it? Was it just like. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.679 They just thought it wasn't an art form or it 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.119 was just like well like how they view James. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:07.879 Look, James was God everywhere. I mean even in a 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.640 jazz in a jazz setting, it was something about James 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:15.280 the funk. It's it's that wasn't about the music. That 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:21.480 was about you know, your DNA. But I wanted you 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.280 brought up Juicy Fruit. Can I give you a quick story? 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.359 Everything got a story, tell me Juicy Fruit. When I 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.840 brought it to the record company Epic, they didn't want 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.080 to release it. I had to argue, well, you know 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.600 you can lick me everywhere. Now, that's now, that's like 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.119 that's tanging stuff. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:40.720 I hear now. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:43.919 But they didn't want to release it. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.800 They were afraid of the lyric that one line, which 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.960 ironically became the line everybody waded to sing along with. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.760 But they did not release it for daytime radio. They 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:02.080 only released it for the midnight shows. After one week, 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.800 they were getting so many calls. And this is one 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.120 thing that I wanted to say when I wrote that 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.760 the beat wasn't the main thing to me. Ah, it 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:14.639 was what I was trying to do with the chords 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:18.560 and the colors and the melody and the inversions. So 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.240 I'm tripping on Oh yeah, I think we stumbled on something. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.919 And the only thing I felt about that, and that 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.399 was the last song I cut on that record. I 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.200 was finished with the album and some and I walked 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.840 in and we finished that night, and there was the 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:38.000 drum machine there, the the lindrum, and I told that, 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.719 you know, I told the enginet man put that up. 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:46.960 So I went tic cat, doom tick kick, goom cat. 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.199 I said, wow, I like that, and he said, hey, 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:55.200 let's quantitize it. I said no, I said, I want 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.480 to humanize technology, not the technology makes it, because when 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:02.600 something's exact, that's that's dragged me. And especially as as 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.480 as a drummer, I wanted to lean a little bit. 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.320 So if you listen to that beat, it's slightly off 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:13.880 on purpose because it feels human. But wow, they didn't 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.720 want to release it, but they were forced to release it. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.880 I can't recall this. Someone told me a story. Someone 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:24.720 very prominent is on Juicy Fruit. And they told me 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.120 the story, like how many musicians were on Juicy Fruit. 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:30.360 Uh. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:34.680 Someone I know the rhythm section. Uh oh wait a minute, 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.919 waitit waite, Well, rhythm section obviously was myself, Philip Field, 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:44.679 Raymond Jackson. Philip Field keyboards, I'm keyboards Raymond's bass, and 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.919 it's a drum machine, so ain't no drummer. Uh. And 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.879 of course to Wafa's lead on that record on Juicy Fruit, 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:57.200 Freddie Jackson, he's part of the court. You know juicy Yeah, Freddy? 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:00.560