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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Rebecca Grossman, a multi millionaire socialite,

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Speaker 1: runs down two little boys in front of their screaming mother,

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman has a courtroom victory. I Nancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Wealthy

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Speaker 1: multimillionaire socialite Rebecca Grossman fatally mows down two little boys

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Speaker 1: crossing a Westlake Village street in the crosswalk, gets a

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Speaker 1: courtroom victory. The judge, in the Judge's wisdom denies a

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Speaker 1: motion by the little boy's family for an expedited trial

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Speaker 1: on wrongful death and negligence. What happened the day these

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Speaker 1: beautiful angels were mowed down out taking a walk with

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Speaker 1: their family. Mark and Jacob is Scander, just eleven and eight,

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Speaker 1: were with their family that September day, mowed down and

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Speaker 1: the chairwoman of the Grossman Burn Foundation. What happened? There's

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Speaker 1: so many questions. Let's start it off.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: Just after seven pm on a September evening, Jacob and

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Speaker 3: Mark Iskander, their siblings and parents, go for an evening

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Speaker 1: The boys enjoy roller bleeding and skateboarding.

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Speaker 3: The six member family is heading home, crossing in a

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Speaker 3: crosswalk at a three way intersection when mother Nancy heard

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Speaker 3: a speeding car barreling their way. The mom says her

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Speaker 3: only managing to grab one of them, a five year old,

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Speaker 3: are farther out in the crosswalk, are hit. Mark Iskinder

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Speaker 3: According to police, Mark was thrown two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: Two one hundred and fifty four feet. Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: that coming up on the scene and seeing a little helmet,

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Speaker 1: a childs scooter and crime scene tape with me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it

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Speaker 1: back together again. First of all, founder of Class Kids Foundation,

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Speaker 1: Mark class You can find him at class Kids dot org.

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Speaker 1: And that's with a K. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at Ncdomestic Law dot com. Renowned

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta. Doctor Angela Arnold at

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com, Founder director of the Okay

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Speaker 1: Research Institute, Former president of mad Georgia Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood

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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a new

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Speaker 1: series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons. Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 1: But first to the lead news anchor, Wdbo Ray Caputo,

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Speaker 1: Ray Caputo. Two brothers dead and one fell swoop, one

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Speaker 1: just nine years old, the other just eleven. What happened?

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, this was a really hot day that happened

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Speaker 4: in the West. Wake village to California is one an

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Speaker 4: hot day and the family goes out Jacobs and they're

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Speaker 4: eight eleven. They're with their mom and their dad and

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Speaker 4: two other siblings and they're simply crossing the street there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, just let me understand something. It's okay.

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Speaker 1: They're with their whole family. It's not like the children

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Speaker 1: we're in the middle of the road riding their scooters.

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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk with their family. Correct, Yes, a

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Speaker 1: is Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation. Where is

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Speaker 1: Westlake Village? Where is that in California?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's several hundred miles from where I am, but

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Speaker 5: I've been through West Lake and it's a suburb of

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Speaker 1: You know, when you say a suburb of LA, having

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Speaker 4: Now, this is a suburb, so it wasn't a heavily

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Speaker 4: There wasn't a lot of hells though, and it was residential,

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Speaker 4: and they weren't across what they're doing what a lot

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Speaker 1: You know, I take Lucy and John David, we get

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Speaker 1: You know, Raycipedo, you said the whole family was there.

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Speaker 4: Well, there was at least two siblings that I wanted.

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Speaker 4: One of them was in a stroller. So there was

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Speaker 5: They're getting pushed.

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Speaker 4: Around, but you know, everybody was there. Mom and dad

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Speaker 4: They could have got six of them, including the boys.

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Speaker 1: The whole family together. You know, when I go with

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Speaker 1: It was just before dark.

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Speaker 8: A family of six was walking across this crosswalk when

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Speaker 8: tragedy struck. Captain Salvador Basera with the La County Sheriff's

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Speaker 8: Department describes what happened next.

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Speaker 9: The family were in a marked a crosswalk, clearly marked.

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Speaker 9: As she realized there were two cars speeding her way,

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Speaker 9: back with the stroller, but another child and a stroller

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Speaker 1: There's six people, including two adults and a stroller. How

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Speaker 1: Uh to Ray Capudo? Did the two boys nine and

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's just terrible. Nancy Well.

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Speaker 4: One of the boys died at the scene. He was

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Speaker 1: Other Okay, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait,

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, the woman hit the little by little boy can

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Speaker 4: carried him one hundred feet and then she flew off

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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait right there, so it's not dark yet.

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Speaker 1: They're in a crosswalk. There are six people, including two

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Speaker 1: there were three others. That is a group. How can

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Speaker 1: there as coming up over hill because it's too dangerous.

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Speaker 1: So as if you couldn't see them a mile away.

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Speaker 1: We learn from witnesses that one of these two little

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Speaker 1: one hundred feet. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the

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Speaker 1: Last Days, wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman accused of having a

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Speaker 1: boozy lunch then basically drag racing in a neighborhood mowing

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Speaker 1: ruling the little boy's families cannot have an expedited trial

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Speaker 1: on negligence and wrongful death. What happened September twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to you, Ray Coputo. This

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Speaker 1: because that fits with a topography. I just don't believe

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Speaker 1: that a crosswalk was You mentioned hills. That's where I'm

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Speaker 1: getting this from you, Raki Pudo. I just don't believe

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Speaker 1: a crosswalk was right at the top of the hill.

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Speaker 4: Well, there was a crosswalks. You imagine, imagine a team

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Speaker 4: my assumption is is that you know that might have

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Speaker 1: If you're coming down a road, like you're saying, there's

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Speaker 6: Help me out here, Nancy. There were so many things

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Speaker 6: this woman did wrong before that accident.

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Speaker 1: I'm just talking right now about the crosswalk. Crosswalks are

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Speaker 6: It correct, but not somebody that's drunk. It could very

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Speaker 6: well be she was fiddling with the radio. It could

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Speaker 6: be that she was going through her purse.

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Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of that, take a listen to anchor Suzanne

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Speaker 1: Marquez with Tina Pattel CBS LA. We have more breaking news.

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Speaker 8: A driver has been arrested after a crash last night

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Speaker 8: in Westlake Village that killed two children. CBS two is

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Speaker 8: Tina Patel is live with the latest on this investigation.

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Speaker 8: It's heartbreaking developments this morning, Tina.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 10: One boy died here at the scene. The other one

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Speaker 10: he also passed away. Now, the Sheriff's department is not

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Speaker 10: tragic death has hit this community. Many are coming now

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they weren't releasing a lot of information, and

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Speaker 1: now we know why. Take a listen to Mary Beth

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Speaker 1: McDade KTLA five.

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Speaker 11: Grossman, who's married to a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman,

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Speaker 11: reportedly hit one boy who rolled up.

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Speaker 11: She reportedly slammed on her bricks so he'd roll off,

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Speaker 9: two counts of vehicular manslaughter and was arrested for duy.

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Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl, suffering the sudden and criminal death of

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not. Wealthy socialite Rebecca Grossman, accused suspect

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Speaker 13: So many of us at ABC News know about the

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Speaker 5: The Grossman Burne Foundation has launched a campaign to stop

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Speaker 1: You're hearing so much about the Berne Foundation. Remember, this

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Speaker 2: the center of the grill that's gone, and not only that,

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Speaker 2: the hood itself is crushed in. This gives us an

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Speaker 2: indication that when she struck these two little boys, as

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Speaker 2: you mentioned just a second ago, in front of their parents.

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Speaker 2: Mind you, she was traveling at such a high rate that,

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Speaker 2: at least because I don't have all the data from

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Speaker 2: the scene, it gives the appearance that she hit a

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Speaker 2: fixed object, Nancy, not some non anchored person like these

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Speaker 2: two children. She hit something at such a high rate

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Speaker 2: of speed it literally collapsed the front of that car.

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Speaker 2: I don't see how the airbags kept from deploying. And

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Speaker 2: if you look at that image real quick, she did

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Speaker 2: try to flee. The only reason she didn't get away.

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Speaker 2: If you take a real close look at that image

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Speaker 2: on crime on Line, you'll see that there are fluids

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Speaker 2: that have poured out of the bottom of this thing,

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Speaker 2: so it disabled the vehicle. My guess is, as Ray

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Speaker 2: had alluded to earlier, is that if she could have

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Speaker 2: put as much distance between her and that event, that

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Speaker 2: that homicide, then you would have had time for the

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Speaker 2: blood alcohol to metabolize in her system. She would have gone.

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Speaker 2: And this has happened. Numbers of times with high profile

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Speaker 2: people over the years. If you don't have that science

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Speaker 2: to back it up, if you don't know what the

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Speaker 2: BA is at that moment in time, you've lost it

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Speaker 2: for everything.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray. Multimillionaire socialite Rebecca Grossman gets

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Speaker 1: court room victory this after a jury says she mowed

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Speaker 1: down two little boys dead after a boozy lunch. Six

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Speaker 1: family members were crossing the three way intersection in a

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Speaker 1: marked cross walk on the road. The parents heard the

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Speaker 1: speeding Mercedes. They could hear it speeding and hearing the car,

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Speaker 1: they reached out to grab their children. They grabbed Zachary

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Speaker 1: and Violet. Mark and Jacob were too far away. They

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Speaker 1: heard the speeding car. Cheryl, Now you understand the legal

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Speaker 1: implications of this. They could hear it at a distance speeding.

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Speaker 1: There were no skid marks. The parents grabbed the children

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Speaker 1: they can reach. The ones they couldn't reach were mowed down.

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Speaker 1: Analyze it, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 6: Nancy, what you're going to have is you're going to

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Speaker 6: have the police go They've got to go back. They've

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Speaker 6: got to get video from every ring camera. If they

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Speaker 6: have the flock system, they've got to get that video.

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Speaker 6: They've got to trace her action backwards. Where did she drink,

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Speaker 6: how much did she drink? Where did she get it from?

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Speaker 4: Did she pay for it?

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Speaker 6: Was it already at home? Was she at a bar?

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Speaker 3: When?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to retrace all of their her steps,

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Speaker 1: at least I hope they are.

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Speaker 6: That they've got to and eighty because they don't have

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Speaker 6: anything else, because again, they know the blood alcohol is

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Speaker 6: going to be contested. They know that they're going to

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Speaker 6: have a fight on their hands. So they've got to

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Speaker 6: go back and show, just like you used to do that,

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Speaker 6: this crime didn't occur at nine forty seven PM or

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Speaker 6: six forty five. This crime occurred at two o'clock when

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Speaker 6: she took her first drink. It occurred at three fifteen

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Speaker 6: when she took the next one, It occurred at five

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Speaker 6: sixty when she had her third one, and then she

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Speaker 6: chose to get in the car after five or six

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Speaker 6: or a bottle. And that's what they've got to show

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Speaker 6: the importance of that. They've got to go back and

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Speaker 6: show every speeding ticket. They've got to show every failure

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Speaker 6: to maintain lane. They've got to show every DUI she's

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Speaker 6: ever had. Even if they reduced it to you know, whatever,

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Speaker 6: they might have reduced it to reckless driving or such.

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Speaker 5: You know, we all know.

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Speaker 6: Reckless driving usually the DUI that's been reduced. They got

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Speaker 6: to look at every single one, every single time her

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Speaker 6: prominent husband has saved her. They've got to go talk

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Speaker 6: to friends and said, hey, how many cocktail parties does

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Speaker 6: she throw? How often do y'all know her to?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be critical that they trace

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Speaker 1: her steps that day. Amen, Because Mark Class, I mean,

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Speaker 1: have you ever heard accident used in DUIs? It's no accident,

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Speaker 1: Mark Class, Because, as Cheryl McCollum was saying, you start

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Speaker 1: in the day drinking, you decide to get your car keys,

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Speaker 1: You decide to walk out to your car after you've

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Speaker 1: been drinking. You decide to insert the key in the

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Speaker 1: ignition and start the car, put it reverse and then

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Speaker 1: drive there you go. All those were conscious decisions, Mark Class.

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Speaker 5: There were conscious decisions. Why a woman who's probably done

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Speaker 5: that hundreds of times and doesn't really seem to care

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Speaker 5: about the safety of anybody else, feels that she's privileged

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Speaker 5: enough that she can do what she wants when she

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Speaker 5: wants and have some kind of a sterling reputation and

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Speaker 5: a lot of money to fall back on.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina. Try a lawyer

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Speaker 1: at the scene. We've seen so many celebrity walk a

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Speaker 1: straight line tests, touch your nose tests, say the ABC's test.

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Speaker 1: What other tests are performed at the state are supposed

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Speaker 1: to be performed when cops suspect do UI well?

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Speaker 4: Obviously the markers are a breathalyzer.

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Speaker 5: She could refuse the breathalyzer.

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Speaker 12: She refuses the breathalyzers, they'll take blood work at the

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Speaker 12: hospital or wherever she can car SRT as I.

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Speaker 1: Would suppose they can do the field sobriety tests.

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Speaker 12: Such as heltoe. They also can take other steps to

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Speaker 12: determine whether or not they're drinking, such as alcohol bottles

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Speaker 12: in the car, the smell of alcohol on that lady's breath.

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Speaker 1: We do know that this prominent socialite, Rebecca Grossman, was

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Speaker 1: involved in an accident twenty twelve where the other driver

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Speaker 1: claims she ran a red light driving over sixty five

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Speaker 1: in a forty mph zone and plowed into the back

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Speaker 1: of his car. The driver passed away later from ill help,

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Speaker 1: but the insurance report includes his detailed description of the crash. Now,

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Speaker 1: in that case, we know that insurance paid out one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in a settlement with Grossman. She was

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Speaker 1: injured in that too, So what, if anything, do we

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Speaker 1: know about her history, Raykipudo.

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Speaker 5: Well, Dancy, she's not a good driver, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can only speculate that that's connected to this.

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Speaker 4: I don't know for shirt, but it seems to be

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Speaker 4: that the writing was on the wall for miss Grossman,

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Speaker 4: and she had plenty of opportunity to fix some of

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Speaker 4: the issues that she had in her life, but you know,

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Speaker 4: she didn't. And here we are, this tragedy was avoidable.

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Speaker 4: There was something that shouldn't have happened. And now this

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Speaker 4: family is going to be living with us for the

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Speaker 4: rest of our lives. And you know this Grossman's life

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Speaker 4: is done too. Pretty much, her reputation is gone.

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Speaker 1: I'm really more worried about the two dead boys than

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Speaker 1: anybody's reputation, Doctor Angela Arnold. What about the people surrounding her?

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Speaker 1: I mean, according to a Daily Mail report quote, she's

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Speaker 1: a reckless driver. The socialite charge with killing two young

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Speaker 1: boys in Dui hit and run previously totaled another driver's

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Speaker 1: car after quote speeding through a red light and then

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Speaker 1: she sued him even though she ran into the back

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Speaker 1: of his car.

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Speaker 12: Nancy, I don't believe that they should be calling her

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Speaker 12: a socialite. I think that they should be calling her

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Speaker 12: a sociopath. That is what this woman is at the

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Speaker 12: core of who she is. She is a sociopath. Why

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Speaker 12: do we have to be describing this woman who has

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Speaker 12: hit and killed two children and has absolutely no remorse

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Speaker 12: instead of a socialite socialite, we should be calling her

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Speaker 12: a sociopath today, because that.

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Speaker 1: Is just wondering. I mean, Cheryl McCollum, director of Mad Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Mother's against junk driving, everybody around her, I mean, are

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Speaker 1: they enabling her drinking and driving way in Nantee.

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Speaker 6: I think the most important thing is forget everybody around

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Speaker 6: her business solely on her. She did this, This is

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Speaker 6: nothing new behavior. She chose to drink, she chose to drive,

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Speaker 6: she chose to try to cover it up, she told

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Speaker 6: to try to hide her faith. Now she has chosen

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Speaker 6: not to reach out to the family and apologize. She

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Speaker 6: has chosen to do all of these things that show

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Speaker 6: exactly who she is. And I think that last statement

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Speaker 6: was pen on accurate. She is a socio path you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Cheryl McCollum. People refer to these scenes as an accident.

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Speaker 1: I disagree completely. This is no accident.

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Speaker 6: No, this is a homicide thing period.

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Speaker 1: As always, our prayers with the victims family at this

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Speaker 1: hour and we wait as justice un false. Goodbye friend,