Speaker 1: What's that at the bed?
Speaker 2: It's spooky.
Speaker 1: Hey, Joky, I'm really sure it's dead.
Speaker 2: It's coming this way. Wait a minute, I was Nandez pose.
Speaker 2: Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted by
Speaker 2: Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that
Speaker 2: I like about the paranormal. Oh my god, I got
Speaker 2: to talk to my old friend Sasha Koby, who you
Speaker 2: may know as winner of RuPaul's Drag Race. Very exciting.
Speaker 2: She's all over the place, travel in the world, being
Speaker 2: such an amazing role model for so many including me,
Speaker 2: and just an incredible performer. I just love her to death.
Speaker 2: And since she's busy, you know, we've been trying to
Speaker 2: make this work for a while and we finally were
Speaker 2: able to make it happen. However, you may have noticed
Speaker 2: that my audio sounds a little bit different, and that
Speaker 2: is because I am currently in a hotel room on
Speaker 2: my old microphone that I used to use during the pandemic,
Speaker 2: Like when the pandemic first started and it was like,
Speaker 2: oh God, how do we do this without a studio.
Speaker 2: I'll just buy the quickest cheapest microphone I can find,
Speaker 2: So I Duz did that one off and that's what
Speaker 2: I'm on right now. But nonetheless, we got Sasha Kolby
Speaker 2: and I am currently in Pittsburgh while recording this opening
Speaker 2: for Bob the Drag Queen on her This is Wild tour,
Speaker 2: which is still going. You know, there's lots and lots
Speaker 2: of dates. You know, this will come out a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks after I'm recording this, but there's tons of
Speaker 2: dates all over the world, and you should go see
Speaker 2: Bob and trust me, I will give her her jury
Speaker 2: duty summons to come on this podcast at some point
Speaker 2: as well. You know me, I just know all those
Speaker 2: winners of RuPaul's Drag Race. Anyway, you know, Sasha gave
Speaker 2: us a full episode and we really got to talk
Speaker 2: about Hawaiian culture and its relationship to the paranormal folklore.
Speaker 2: You know, all of all of those cultural stories, and
Speaker 2: I love, I live for all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and so I think that we should just you know,
Speaker 2: cut this intro short and just get into some Sasha.
Speaker 2: As always, I would love for you to see me live,
Speaker 2: and I will be in New York City December eighth.
Speaker 2: I am doing Ghosts Live on stage in Brooklyn. The
Speaker 2: tickets are cheap as hell. The tickets are like twelve
Speaker 2: dollars or something, so I know you got I know
Speaker 2: you got your thing that night, cancel it. I don't
Speaker 2: come to New York doing shows that often. Oh I
Speaker 2: know you're in a Broadway show. Get the understudy to
Speaker 2: go in just this one time. It's only twelve bucks.
Speaker 2: I've been dying to do Ghosted live in New York,
Speaker 2: so come buy those tickets. And I've been loving so
Speaker 2: much all of the amazing feedback about my YouTube series
Speaker 2: Wherelese Hernette is the Haunted Doll, my comedy series where
Speaker 2: I go ghost hunting and haunted hotel rooms. So please,
Speaker 2: if you haven't yet checked it out, find it on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Ros Hernandez the Haunted Doll. Tell your friends like it, comments, subscribe,
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Okay, here we go. Time
Speaker 2: to talk to winner of Season fifteen of RuPaul's Drag Race,
Speaker 2: Sasha Koby on with the show. Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: cannot believe who I have conjured today, Sasha Colby, Hello.
Speaker 1: Hi, Ros, It's so good to see you.
Speaker 2: It's always good to see you. People don't know me
Speaker 2: and Sasha. We go back. We used to do drag
Speaker 2: shows together. I think usually like most I would say
Speaker 2: most of the time, I was like hosting drag brunch
Speaker 2: or whatever the drag show was.
Speaker 1: You're definitely the brunchers.
Speaker 2: Yes, we were a brunch crew in bed by three pm.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the one that we did all the
Speaker 1: way out Oxnard and we would just had like it
Speaker 1: was duringly pandemic too, right like right before pandemic or
Speaker 1: like right around the pandemic. And I just remember we
Speaker 1: had like garbage bags full of one.
Speaker 2: Failed four hundred seats. Everybody had to least one.
Speaker 1: Dollar fifteen minute numbers and you.
Speaker 2: Pick that cabbage.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that was a good time.
Speaker 2: But now you are the most famous woman in the world.
Speaker 2: Now we get direct deposits, you get that routing number out.
Speaker 2: Where are you? Are you in LA? Right now?
Speaker 1: I'm home in La. Yeah, finally, like have a little break.
Speaker 2: That's nice. Yeah, this has been all over the place. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm currently in a hotel room in Pittsburgh, and I'm
Speaker 2: convinced that this room was haunted, But I think that's
Speaker 2: just me looking for it's fit to talk.
Speaker 1: About Pittsburgh's haunted. It feels like, Yeah, it's a fun city. Though,
Speaker 1: I do like the.
Speaker 2: Ghosts of Sharon Needles. So, Sasha Kobe, I have been
Speaker 2: dying for forever to know your thoughts on the paranormal.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's dive in.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in like ghosts and that sort of
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 1: I do you believe in ghosts? I wish ghosts believed
Speaker 1: me more, you know, I wish like my ancestors like
Speaker 1: really like helped me out a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Well believes in you. So that's something. So have you
Speaker 2: ever encountered a ghost in your opinion or your experience?
Speaker 1: There is one experience that I definitely know.
Speaker 2: Okay, give us every detail. Take us to the slumber party.
Speaker 2: Really set it up for.
Speaker 1: Us, picture it cicily. When I was younger, I always
Speaker 1: had this like sleeping ghosts, Like was it like when
Speaker 1: they paralyze you and you can't like sleep paralysis, sleep
Speaker 1: paralysis ghosts, And it was always like a shadow coming
Speaker 1: over me. I remember I had that like when I
Speaker 1: was younger, like a child, as a kid. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it kind of like weaned off. I never really
Speaker 1: or maybe I was just too distracted or too drunk
Speaker 1: to notice, but I remember that the last time I
Speaker 1: had one that literally was like a choking ghost like
Speaker 1: was holding me down and I literally couldn't get up
Speaker 1: out of like out of my bed. I was with
Speaker 1: my then partner. It was we were living in Orlando.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the house was haunted or if
Speaker 1: my partner was haunted, but as soon as we broke up,
Speaker 1: I've never had one again.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it was like my partner's energy
Speaker 1: something one of their ghosts didn't like me.
Speaker 2: See, that's that's a big thing. Your ghosts have to
Speaker 2: get along with each other.
Speaker 1: Yes, I woke up. My eyes were open. I could
Speaker 1: literally like kind of turn and see my partner sleeping,
Speaker 1: but like something was holding my shoulders down, like I
Speaker 1: couldn't even scream or anything for like a good what
Speaker 1: felt like two minutes, but I mean that's like eternity
Speaker 1: in ghost world, right, Yeah, it felt really long. I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened that made finally I think I
Speaker 1: was like I had to like shake my legs or
Speaker 1: something to like get out of it. I don't really
Speaker 1: know if I was up, or if I was still
Speaker 1: a dream or if I was in that mid area,
Speaker 1: that mid space of like dreaming and reality or what
Speaker 1: I call drag, but that one, Yeah, the sleep paralysis ghosts,
Speaker 1: I definitely saw a shadow. It was like a very
Speaker 1: ominous looking shadow, non gendered, which I preferred if my
Speaker 1: ghosts are going to haunt me, like they'd be. So
Speaker 1: that was really nice.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was a sleep paralysis, they them demon.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was either.
Speaker 2: A sleep paralysis or no, it wasn't sis sleep paralys them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well that is terrifying. I have never had sleep paralysis. Well,
Speaker 2: so you sleep on your back, huh.
Speaker 1: I was side sleeper, and that's the weird thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. It was like kind of on my back.
Speaker 1: I end up like always on my side or on
Speaker 1: my face when I wake up in the morning. So
Speaker 1: that was also that demon rolled you over, mama, she
Speaker 1: said over or they said, I'm not too sure.
Speaker 2: So you grew up in Hawaii?
Speaker 1: I did. I grew up in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: Did I say it right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You did? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I have had people I've done
Speaker 2: the show for five years. I know I've we had
Speaker 2: listeners from Hawaii. I don't know if I've had guests
Speaker 2: that are from there, but we've talked a little bit
Speaker 2: about like some of the cultural beliefs of spirit world.
Speaker 2: And I know about uh is it the night marchers?
Speaker 1: The night marchers? I do? I do?
Speaker 2: And what is that?
Speaker 1: So the night marchers? Okay, so there is uh okay,
Speaker 1: it's also history lesson. So King Kamehameha he united all
Speaker 1: of the eight Islands after Captain Cook, you know, colonized this.
Speaker 1: He actually King Kamehameha had taken after they kind of
Speaker 1: pretty much we killed Captain Cook and like chopped him
Speaker 1: up and like still have his bones buried in a
Speaker 1: beach on the Big Island, and Comehameha actually commandeered his
Speaker 1: boats and took his like crew like three of his
Speaker 1: like I don't know whatever skippers and made them teach
Speaker 1: him how to use their cannons. So he actually like
Speaker 1: Commandmeha used white people things to like unite us all
Speaker 1: or colonize us all and make us all one kingdom
Speaker 1: for him to rule. So when he got to Oahu,
Speaker 1: he had already conquered the big Island, Maui and Molakai
Speaker 1: and these smaller islands, and he worked his way up
Speaker 1: to Oahu, which is like where I'm from and where
Speaker 1: Honolulu and Wikiki like you know, the capital and like
Speaker 1: the big tourist area is. So when he was sailing
Speaker 1: to Waikiki, the people on Oahu could see that coming
Speaker 1: and they ran up to the mountains. Now it takes
Speaker 1: like days to go up, you know, towards the mountains
Speaker 1: and away from his cannons, and commandment had took off
Speaker 1: all these cannons and started pushing them up the mountain,
Speaker 1: following these tribes up until they went into the place
Speaker 1: called the Pulley Lookout, and it's literally a lookout and
Speaker 1: then it's a drop like a cliff drop, and he
Speaker 1: literally pushed the cannons and pushed over all these Hawaiians off.
Speaker 2: Of the mountain. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So all of those people actually died like in this
Speaker 1: valley that we call the Pulley and those are now
Speaker 1: our night marchers. So when that happened, it was like
Speaker 1: on I forget what it's like. I guess it was
Speaker 1: some sort of like lunar thing. But supposedly on the
Speaker 1: twenty fifth of every month, you can see like a
Speaker 1: line of like torches going down, like it's completely you
Speaker 1: can't go up these mountains, like you can see it
Speaker 1: from like the freeway, but you can see sometimes there's
Speaker 1: like faint like lights that kind of travel. Those are
Speaker 1: the night marchers looking for their souls. And there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of accidents because there's a big highway now
Speaker 1: going through that mountain. So sometimes there's a lot of
Speaker 1: accidents on the Age three, which is our highway, and
Speaker 1: it's because they're crossing the highway and so literally your
Speaker 1: cars will just get like out of wack up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so people are like, oh my god, I thought
Speaker 2: I was going to hit someone.
Speaker 1: Don't go over the pulley. Yeah on the twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: or like my car just went out of whack, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. But we've all kind of known about the
Speaker 1: night marchers. So that's that story, a little history and horror.
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, that was that was very impressive.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know shit about any place
Speaker 2: I've ever been from. I don't know. You asked me
Speaker 2: about my hometown, girl, I couldn't tell you shit. That
Speaker 2: was very impressive.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I mean, I'm actually like not another
Speaker 1: people know that I'm like a history like nerd, and
Speaker 1: I just know a lot of random facts about things.
Speaker 1: So it's actually a passion of mine to learn facts
Speaker 1: that I can say at podcasts.
Speaker 2: That's great. That's a very useful skill that I do
Speaker 2: not have. Wow, Okay, has it ever occurred to you
Speaker 2: like it's the twenty fifth should we go out there
Speaker 2: and see?
Speaker 1: So? When I was young, I would be at like
Speaker 1: the dance studio all the time, and a bunch of
Speaker 1: my dance friends we were like eighteen seventeen eighteen, and
Speaker 1: after I think we like tried it like twice a
Speaker 1: bunch of us. There was like ten of us. We
Speaker 1: all piled in like someone's van or like someone's car.
Speaker 1: And there's this book called Chicken Skin that's all like
Speaker 1: these old Hawaiian like folklore tales and like ghost stories,
Speaker 1: and we would go and drive around the island, go
Speaker 1: to the spot that they're talking about, read the story,
Speaker 1: and then try and look for the ghosts that they're
Speaker 1: talking about. Ye did like a whole I know, we
Speaker 1: did like a whole tour, like two nights. It took
Speaker 1: us because there was two volumes of the book, but
Speaker 1: we went all over the place. There was one there
Speaker 1: was definitely like a haunted house on a wahu that
Speaker 1: everyone knew that that was like some crazy lady used
Speaker 1: to live there. I'm not too sure about the backstory,
Speaker 1: but like there's so many things that happened in that house,
Speaker 1: but it never it was like almost condemned, so no
Speaker 1: one was even living there. And we tried to like
Speaker 1: read the story there, and they tried to find the lady,
Speaker 1: but we didn't find anything. It was a little anti climactic,
Speaker 1: I think, because we were looking for it, you know,
Speaker 1: and there was like a bunch of us, like if
Speaker 1: it was just you know, maybe why.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to chat. I'm not going to check
Speaker 2: your sources. If you want to say the crazy lady
Speaker 2: came out and then disappeared in front of you. That
Speaker 2: great well, except that, uh, there.
Speaker 1: Was one we were in like a gulch and there
Speaker 1: was like some sort of like monster that lived in
Speaker 1: the goal took a rabid dog with red eyes that
Speaker 1: would come and attack you. And I remember we were
Speaker 1: trying to look for this dog, were trying to hear
Speaker 1: for it. Unfortunately, nothing happened, which I guess not unfortunately
Speaker 1: one of those things probably attached themselves to me and
Speaker 1: then did the chow.
Speaker 2: I waited for you to sleep years later, years eons.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I just like stumbled upon this
Speaker 2: news story a couple of months ago, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull this out when Sasha comes on. So
Speaker 2: I found this video. I won't play the video, but
Speaker 2: it's a it's just like a clip from the local
Speaker 2: news in Hawaii and they're talking about this mall.
Speaker 1: Call them all that's taunted with the lady you can
Speaker 1: hear show.
Speaker 2: No, it's a different one, but I want to know
Speaker 2: about that. This one is the Windward Mall.
Speaker 1: That's where I grew What happened there? My god, that's
Speaker 1: like where our dance serious to be.
Speaker 2: Stop. Okay. So it's right next to a cemetery, is
Speaker 2: that right?
Speaker 1: Ah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So this news report it's from uh k h O
Speaker 2: N two news, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, not that it was the news. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So this was covered last Halloween, okay. And they interview
Speaker 2: this man named Lopaka Kapanui and he hosts the ghost
Speaker 2: tours that are called Mysteries of Hawaii, and he's talking
Speaker 2: about how this mall, the Windward Mall, is allegedly haunted
Speaker 2: by children, and that there's like always great, there's always
Speaker 2: like children all over the place that the security is
Speaker 2: getting called they're messing around whatever, and he tells the
Speaker 2: story that I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, tell me now, Oh my godness is
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: So he says, this woman went on his tour and
Speaker 2: was telling him like, you're not gonna believe me, but
Speaker 2: this happened. She says she was in the food court
Speaker 2: one day eating her meal and then this little girl
Speaker 2: with dirty clothes comes up to her, and the little
Speaker 2: girl go, hey, you know why you've got such problems
Speaker 2: in your life. And then the woman's like why, and
Speaker 2: then the girl goes, because you're fat. So then the
Speaker 2: woman was about to hit the little girl and her
Speaker 2: hand went right through her.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean I completely believe it. Like
Speaker 1: that's the mall I would go to every weekend with
Speaker 1: my family. I pretty much grew up.
Speaker 2: The little fat shaming girl.
Speaker 1: How about that, though, Let's talk about that, like what
Speaker 1: is like unpacked that ghost?
Speaker 2: And she was about to get slapped by a stranger?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And that sounds about right, like a
Speaker 1: complete stranger will slap a child. Where's your mother? I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised. I definitely it looks haunted. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: start it out, Okay, when we're mall, like it looks
Speaker 1: like it's still stuck back in the eighties, like same
Speaker 1: kind of decor. Though, you know, Mall's kind of like
Speaker 1: have lost their popularity so practically now when I went back,
Speaker 1: it's like all not even sores, it's just like food.
Speaker 1: So it's just like a big like food court. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's a bunch of kid ghosts
Speaker 1: running around there, just fat shaming people.
Speaker 2: Calling people fat. But I would be so pissed if
Speaker 2: I was sitting there in my Panda Express and this
Speaker 2: little kid came up to.
Speaker 1: Me, Oh my gosh, like, just let me eating peace. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me eat my orange chicken chomming and peace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, they were talking about how like it's
Speaker 2: right next to a cemetery, and like could it be
Speaker 2: that it's built on top of part of the cemetery. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they didn't move the bodies.
Speaker 1: I'm so sure. I mean, isn't most of like the
Speaker 1: land around us like built over some sort of dead people,
Speaker 1: dead something dead something?
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. I Mean I'm constantly hearing stories of
Speaker 2: people's ghosts, dogs and cats, and I don't see why
Speaker 2: there can't be dinosaur goat like, oh yeah, why not everything?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What if there's like a like a chicken ghost,
Speaker 1: like an apig ghost, like just like following me.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's just a bunch of little invisible chickens everywhere.
Speaker 1: That is so wild.
Speaker 2: You know what, an invisible chicken ghost says cock a
Speaker 2: doodle boo. And Sasha, that is why I am a star.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is why, Sasha.
Speaker 2: Tell me one more like fun, okay, fun, Hawaiian sir,
Speaker 2: or do you have any of your own?
Speaker 1: Oh there is another story, and I swear, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I just remembered this now, Oh, this is gonna be good.
Speaker 1: It's a dance friend of mine. She and I lived
Speaker 1: close to each other, so after dance she would always
Speaker 1: take me home on the way to her house and
Speaker 1: we were driving and there is a legend, like an
Speaker 1: old Hawaiian legend about one of our goddesses, Pele. Pelly's
Speaker 1: the goddess of the volcanoes and a fire and creation.
Speaker 1: She has a sister named Namaka who's the goddess of
Speaker 1: the water, and another sister who's Poliaju, and she's the
Speaker 1: goddess of the snow, and she lives on top of
Speaker 1: our mountain, Mam Michay. She sleeps on there. But Pele's
Speaker 1: like like she's main character, Like she's the Regina George,
Speaker 1: you know, like she's like volasle, like a volcano, you know,
Speaker 1: like fire is. But there's all these ancient like myths
Speaker 1: about her and like pretty much mostly talking about how,
Speaker 1: you know, natural occurrences in nature happen. That's most of
Speaker 1: our like myths, you know, to explain what happens in nature.
Speaker 1: But there is an old school like ghost story that
Speaker 1: Peley likes sitt incarnate herself into different types of women
Speaker 1: or like even men. Now I love that, like she's
Speaker 1: fully like gender.
Speaker 2: Fluid exploring herself.
Speaker 1: But there's a there's an old legend that if you're
Speaker 1: driving down a road, it's usually like not lit road,
Speaker 1: and that's what we were doing. We were driving through
Speaker 1: like this like little cliff side of the island before
Speaker 1: we get to my house, and I remember we were
Speaker 1: driving and the story is exactly how we experienced it.
Speaker 1: It's a legend of like if you're driving and you
Speaker 1: see an old woman on the side of the road
Speaker 1: hitch hiking, they say not to pick her up, to
Speaker 1: pass her back and there was a legends that some
Speaker 1: people had pulled over to pick up this older woman
Speaker 1: and she had all gray hair, and she looked like
Speaker 1: kind of just like.
Speaker 2: Rag, why did you look right at me when you
Speaker 2: said that.
Speaker 1: Supposedly, there was two guys that had picked her up,
Speaker 1: and she got in the backseat of the car and
Speaker 1: she kept on asking and she could smoke a cigarette,
Speaker 1: and she needed to smoke a cigarette, and they were like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we don't have any cigarettes. But then they started to
Speaker 1: smell ashes and like cigarettes burning, and the driver was
Speaker 1: looking in the rear y mirror and saw the light
Speaker 1: of a cigarette going. But she turned into like this
Speaker 1: beautiful woman and she was an old armor. And then
Speaker 1: he turned around and there was nobody.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so the cigarettes made her younger. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really weird, Like it's good for you, is
Speaker 2: that what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you didn't you didn't want to give
Speaker 1: it to the old lady, but you'll look at the
Speaker 1: young Like it was almost like praying on the vanity
Speaker 1: of men. And like how they objectified women. I feel
Speaker 1: like too, Like it was wild, like she presented herself
Speaker 1: as an old woman. But then oh, you're not going
Speaker 1: to be kind to me.
Speaker 2: What you're missing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we knew about the story as kids, and
Speaker 1: we were trying and we were both smoking cigarettes, me
Speaker 1: and my friend Heather, and we swear I was looking
Speaker 1: in the rear view mirror and she was looking at hers,
Speaker 1: and I was looking at the one that's on the
Speaker 1: outside in the passengers we both could see somebody in
Speaker 1: the back seat smoking a cigarette. I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I'm getting like this, I'm sorry now, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and literally both turned around and there was no one there.
Speaker 1: And really but you saw like we were both freaking out,
Speaker 1: Like she started driving so slow, like it was like
Speaker 1: so we already were smoking cigarettes, so that kind of
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't really like all of a sudden
Speaker 1: smell it, but we were wondering like, oh, maybe she
Speaker 1: jumped in, like because she wanted when and she knew
Speaker 1: we were smoking or something. But we totally am like
Speaker 1: a believer, like crazy, uh, like I saw I saw
Speaker 1: like a lady's reflection in the mirror. Turned around, there
Speaker 1: was no one there, like we both at the same time.
Speaker 1: It was really really weird.
Speaker 2: You got to experience an icon a legend to have
Speaker 2: her and Sasha Kobe in the same car at the
Speaker 2: same time. That is like, that's some royalty.
Speaker 1: That's some goddss.
Speaker 2: There you go, Well, my goddess, I'm curious what your
Speaker 2: thoughts are on psychics.
Speaker 1: Okay, I totally believe there's this one psychic. She's kind
Speaker 1: of known like in Hawaii. Her name is Lanvo. She's
Speaker 1: like this old Asian lady. A lot of the trans girls,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people in general like
Speaker 1: go and see her to like read her fortunes for
Speaker 1: like the year, the upcoming season. I've never personally went
Speaker 1: to her. I've always wanted to, but all of like
Speaker 1: my drag moms and like like drag sisters and Nancy
Speaker 1: all would go to her, and she was always spotting.
Speaker 2: How does she do it?
Speaker 1: She would never say. She would just kind of look
Speaker 1: at you and then she'd be like, you have to
Speaker 1: do this, you have to do that. You're about to
Speaker 1: get this, Like she would just like kind of plainly
Speaker 1: like tell it to you. You know who actually, because
Speaker 1: his wife is from Hawaii and went to the same
Speaker 1: gang studio as mine, is Wayne Brady him and as
Speaker 1: well go and see Lanvo a lot. Yeah, I need
Speaker 1: to see her before she passes. That would be that's
Speaker 1: something I have to do when I go home again.
Speaker 2: How old is she?
Speaker 1: I don't know if she was old when I was young,
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, like they just never age,
Speaker 1: really weird.
Speaker 2: That's who I want to tell me? What's what?
Speaker 1: I also don't want to know my future, Like let
Speaker 1: me be surprised.
Speaker 2: I don't either. But if I had to choose anyone,
Speaker 2: it would be an old woman, Yes.
Speaker 1: For sure, like I believe like she probably is like
Speaker 1: one of the grandmothers from Mulan, you know, like beads
Speaker 1: of jade for beauty.
Speaker 2: Yes, I will don't let anything she has to say. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you have never been to one yourself, Actually I have.
Speaker 1: I did one on ig on Ig live during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: His name is Roy, and I had some family members
Speaker 1: pass and he was able to like connect me with
Speaker 1: my dad who had passed like almost nine years from now, really,
Speaker 1: but this was what like four years ago, and I
Speaker 1: didn't really tell him, like I'm pretty much like a
Speaker 1: skeptic as well as a believer. Like I want you
Speaker 1: to also like prove it to me a little bit. Let's,
Speaker 1: you know, step it up. So I didn't really give
Speaker 1: him a lot of information. And the things that you
Speaker 1: were saying, you couldn't like Wikipedia or Google it of me.
Speaker 1: So it was just very wild, Like he was talking
Speaker 1: about my niece who had passed away like just recently
Speaker 1: when we did that, and yeah, my dad who was
Speaker 1: who had passed I got to connect with him. I've
Speaker 1: always feel like I can connect with my ancestors. I
Speaker 1: feel like my grandmother on my dad's side, who was
Speaker 1: pure Hawaiian, she was the last grandparent that passed away,
Speaker 1: and I was the last. I'm the youngest of seven,
Speaker 1: so I never got to meet any of my grandparents.
Speaker 1: But my grandma Mary passed away a couple months before me,
Speaker 1: and I swear she's like my guardian angel and sometimes
Speaker 1: she jumps in my body and like takes care of
Speaker 1: things for me. I definitely believe that there's just been
Speaker 1: way too many things and synchronicities that has happened not
Speaker 1: to get like deep and morbid, but whatever it all,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so dishing, But like whatever,
Speaker 1: fam my grandmother, my dad's mom, and my mother did
Speaker 1: not get my mother. She was pretty mean to my grandmother,
Speaker 1: and my grandmother was going to leave my dad the house,
Speaker 1: like the generational home, which is kind of like n
Speaker 1: like first nations, like reservations, but they have like these
Speaker 1: sects of the island in Hawaii called Hawaiian homelands, and
Speaker 1: you have to be a certain amount of Hawaiian, but
Speaker 1: you get the land for free and you can build
Speaker 1: your home, and like it gets passed out from generation
Speaker 1: to generation. So it was first of my grandmother's and
Speaker 1: she naturally wanted to get it to my dad because
Speaker 1: he was the youngest, and then my dad would give
Speaker 1: it to me because I'm the youngest. But I found
Speaker 1: out like some scandals like way after this is probably
Speaker 1: after my dad passed up, was talking to my brothers
Speaker 1: and we're like wait, what, so, like my grandmother really
Speaker 1: didn't like my mom and did not want her to
Speaker 1: have the house, so she actually on her deathbed like
Speaker 1: wrote it to another kid. And technically my mom and
Speaker 1: dad had to move out of that house because my
Speaker 1: grandmother really didn't want my mom living there. But my
Speaker 1: uncle who got the house, he felt sorry for my
Speaker 1: dad and my mom and so he let them live
Speaker 1: there for like ten years, twelve years, and then he
Speaker 1: ended up passing away and on his deathbed, my aunts,
Speaker 1: my dad's sisters, both of them go to his deathbed
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, Mom wouldn't want my mother
Speaker 1: to have it, so he signed it over to my
Speaker 1: aunt instead of giving it to my dad and died.
Speaker 1: And then we find out, oh, my gosh said still more,
Speaker 1: you should be charging me like some therapy sessions right now.
Speaker 1: This is like the craziest story. Also, this comes into play.
Speaker 1: I grew up Jehovah's witness so I grew up in
Speaker 1: like a ver like cultie they're also Jehovah's witnesses. So
Speaker 1: when my uncle passed, my dad then found out that
Speaker 1: they had to leave because my auntie Alice, actually got
Speaker 1: the house and so they were like you have to
Speaker 1: get out, and you know Mom didn't want my mother
Speaker 1: in there, so you all got to go. And they
Speaker 1: started they started freaking out, and they already had like
Speaker 1: three three of my brothers and sisters, so there was
Speaker 1: three of them of seven and my mom and dad,
Speaker 1: and they started like rain you or like hoping that
Speaker 1: something would happen, and it just so happened like Jehovah's
Speaker 1: witnesses started knocking on their door and so they started
Speaker 1: like going to the meetings and like going to church,
Speaker 1: and it just so happened at the same time when
Speaker 1: they were transferring like the papers over to my auntie Alice,
Speaker 1: they found out that my auntie Alice is and my
Speaker 1: auntie she's adopted, so she didn't have enough Hawaiian to inherit.
Speaker 1: So it went automatically to my dad and my mom
Speaker 1: and dad went home and said, it's no more Christmas.
Speaker 1: Jehovah did it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: They literally thought like they prayed to Jehovah, and Jehovah
Speaker 1: gatto my house, so rounding that whole thing off my
Speaker 1: grandmother who still needs to have the last day because
Speaker 1: that is her property, and like she got it. When
Speaker 1: I was on the call with that psychic, he told me,
Speaker 1: like there is a book or like something like your
Speaker 1: grandmother written pretty much a curse. My grandmother cursed the
Speaker 1: land and buried it in the ground on the property.
Speaker 1: Now when she buried it, it was on like our
Speaker 1: lawn area. But the new house we built over the curse.
Speaker 1: Probably how it's a curse and we don't know where
Speaker 1: this book is. Like I literally trying to like dig
Speaker 1: up my house to find this curse. Let's get some shovels,
Speaker 1: I know, like get it. So I believe that it's
Speaker 1: kind of like now under the house that is currently there,
Speaker 1: and I believe it's like to get my mom out
Speaker 1: of the house because.
Speaker 2: It worked, my God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about generational trauma ghosts. What else do you
Speaker 1: need a little bit of a little bit of like
Speaker 1: cult Let's.
Speaker 2: Talk about it honestly. Yes, So do you still have
Speaker 2: like some Jehovah witness in your in your consciousness or.
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up just only knowing that, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely have. Like I think I kept like the
Speaker 1: moral compass, Like there are certain things that I appreciated
Speaker 1: about what they believe in. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: I don't really like man made religion. I believe in spirituality,
Speaker 1: but it's hard for me to like have any religion
Speaker 1: that's saying that my sin being queer is worse than
Speaker 1: the person sitting next to me. Then I know that
Speaker 1: he's fucking his girlfriend's cousin and just got her pregnant.
Speaker 1: But they're gonna they're different, right right, But me being
Speaker 1: gay was an fine. I'm like, I don't believe that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we're all just gonna go to
Speaker 1: hold and that's here, that's where we are now totally.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. Like most religions, there's stuff about
Speaker 2: like being a good person and like not ye no
Speaker 2: stealing or whatever, and it's like, yeah, that stuff works
Speaker 2: for me or whatever, but yeah, that's just being a
Speaker 2: good person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's going to get you in
Speaker 1: or out of like the after world or the afterlife.
Speaker 1: And it's wild because they sell it Jehovah's this, they premise.
Speaker 1: Their whole thing is like it's so made for people
Speaker 1: of color, like that specific religion is made to like
Speaker 1: prey on a lot of like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: like Latinos, there's a lot of like Filipinos, a lot
Speaker 1: of Hawaiians that believe that follow you know, Jehovah's witnesses.
Speaker 1: And it's because they make your promise like, hey, your
Speaker 1: life sucks. This life sucks for you, like you have
Speaker 1: it awful if you pray to us and if you
Speaker 1: go to the church enough, you can have the promise
Speaker 1: of this beautiful, everlasting life where we're all equal and
Speaker 1: everyone's good and there's no heaving or help. But your
Speaker 1: ancestors or your loved ones will be raised from the
Speaker 1: dead and you'll all live happily ever after for eternity.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to spend Sunday with you for
Speaker 1: two hours? Why would I want to spend eternity with
Speaker 1: any of the fuckers? Tell me that.
Speaker 2: Please, Yeah, we're just gonna do the thriller dance.
Speaker 1: You're all just gonna for eternity. No, fuck that. I
Speaker 1: don't even want to spend like a fucking hour with
Speaker 1: these people, these fucking hypocrites, let alone, Like you got
Speaker 1: to you gotta sell me on something a little more runny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what this all leads suit.
Speaker 1: No, I was like, I'm gone goodbye. But I think
Speaker 1: it was at fourteen. I went home one day. I
Speaker 1: was like, I hate it. I hate these hypocrites and
Speaker 1: they're mean to me, and I don't want to go,
Speaker 1: And like I kind of like told them my parents,
Speaker 1: like the truth, and they couldn't argue it. They're like,
Speaker 1: all right, you don't have to go anymore. I also
Speaker 1: think it's probably just they were embarrassed of the queer kid.
Speaker 1: They're like, did you just stay home? That's fine? So
Speaker 1: I watched the tailor room, and those are my gods.
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of the afterlife, there's a thing that others believe,
Speaker 2: some believe. I'm starting to believe this that when you die,
Speaker 2: I guess there's a couple of options. Your relatives come
Speaker 2: from the grave and you get to spend the eternity
Speaker 2: with them. You go to heaven, you go to hell,
Speaker 2: or you go inside of a haunted eBay doll. Can
Speaker 2: I show you a haunted eBay doll?
Speaker 1: Yes, I would love that.
Speaker 2: It's time for the dolls are living, Okay, So this
Speaker 2: is what I do. I go to eBay dot com
Speaker 2: to find various dolls, honey, and there's hundreds of them
Speaker 2: at all times.
Speaker 1: And you are a dolt and a doll collector. I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: And I don't collect these, okay, I just give them
Speaker 2: a spotlight. I use my platform to help these dolls
Speaker 2: to get seen, to get talked about. And if anyone
Speaker 2: wants to purchase these dolls, they can. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to now. You know a lot of times they're fabulous, gorgeous.
Speaker 2: That's not necessarily what we got here, but it's fun. Nonetheless, geehaw,
Speaker 2: could you show us Leonyard?
Speaker 1: Oh, Leonard Leonard.
Speaker 2: He's kind of like.
Speaker 1: Leonard looks really sweet.
Speaker 2: He looks like Wilford Brimley. Do you know that guy?
Speaker 1: Totally? He was a postmaster general.
Speaker 2: He looks he.
Speaker 1: Looks like the cream of week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like a nice older white man with like yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Like he's got some worthers butt a sketch. You want
Speaker 1: some buttter sketch in his Look at his geese.
Speaker 2: I love this whole body. Keep it on that one
Speaker 2: gia I like.
Speaker 1: I like the little uh feet are a little turned in.
Speaker 2: He's shy, shy, and he's got like little jeans that
Speaker 2: are cuffed.
Speaker 1: The jeans are actually rather in fashion right now, Like
Speaker 1: if you took off either of those tops and just
Speaker 1: had one of those, like, you look like anyone in
Speaker 1: silver legs totally.
Speaker 2: And he's got the flannel and the mustache. I mean
Speaker 2: he is kind of a silver leg guy.
Speaker 1: He's giving silver fox silver legs.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's a silver daddy and silver leg is.
Speaker 1: Something in his hand is that like a switch?
Speaker 2: It's a wand.
Speaker 1: He's fancy.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what it is, Yeah, okay, it
Speaker 2: could be a switch.
Speaker 1: I was like a fishing pole.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. But okay, he comes
Speaker 2: with a biography. Oh I'm not going to read this
Speaker 2: whole thing, but here's some of it. It says, let
Speaker 2: me tell you about Leonard, a spirit who is protective,
Speaker 2: kind and has a unique ability to ward off evil entities.
Speaker 2: So you could have used Leonard back when you had
Speaker 2: that sleep paralysis. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like my grandmother is Leonard. Okay, yeah that
Speaker 1: maybe you don't.
Speaker 2: Does she need a man?
Speaker 1: I mean there should make a doll for my grandmother
Speaker 1: and put on an ebear.
Speaker 2: It says he can watch over multiple spirits and people
Speaker 2: at once, making him a reliable companion to be by
Speaker 2: your side. His remarkable skill is his ability to work
Speaker 2: with people's shadow selves, helping them accept and understand that
Speaker 2: these shadows are part of their identity. So he kind
Speaker 2: of helps you.
Speaker 1: I'd like a helpful ghost doll. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: not like an Annabelle.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, totally, he's getting me like vibes. Yes, it's like,
Speaker 2: at least, you know, help me a little bit. If
Speaker 2: I'm going to buy you and have you in my home, like,
Speaker 2: don't just try to kill me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather someone that can help me talk to
Speaker 1: the spirits.
Speaker 2: It says he loves to travel.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's got money.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if he has the money, that's
Speaker 2: the thing you have to buy him and then what
Speaker 2: he's gonna be Like, So where are we going to now? Bitch?
Speaker 2: Are you paying?
Speaker 1: Oh? Babe? I thought too many of those partners.
Speaker 2: He loves to travel. He's always encouraging me to try
Speaker 2: new things. In fact, the reason I picked up a
Speaker 2: couple of new hobbies is because of Leonard. He is
Speaker 2: the kind of spirit who will tell you to let
Speaker 2: go of your worries and ed problems and just be you.
Speaker 2: He may not always agree with you, but he will
Speaker 2: always do what's best for you. Oh my god, So
Speaker 2: why are they selling Leonard if he's so great? That's
Speaker 2: always my question with.
Speaker 1: I love him so much. She actually helped me so much. Like,
Speaker 1: so why they're like, no, no, no, he's great, Like
Speaker 1: you just want to spread the joy. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of human being the one to do that.
Speaker 2: So often with these and they'll be like, this brings
Speaker 2: you so much money and wealth. It's like, then why
Speaker 2: are you selling it for five dollars?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Anyway, it says when he first arrived. He was
Speaker 2: more reserved until he got to know me, so it
Speaker 2: might take a bit longer than usual for him to
Speaker 2: fully settle in with you. In his earthly life, he
Speaker 2: was a construction worker and spent his spare time looking
Speaker 2: after dogs. So he that's what I'll do, honey, These
Speaker 2: dating apps, this kennel. He is perfectly fine to be
Speaker 2: homed with pets. He loves to fish out, and that's
Speaker 2: why he's carrying.
Speaker 1: A fishing pole with him.
Speaker 2: There are some extra things about Leonard that make him special.
Speaker 2: Whenever he had a free moment, he enjoyed painting portraits.
Speaker 2: He also had an interest in witchcraft and has learned
Speaker 2: from other spirits around him. This is an unlikely looking witch.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I would not guess that
Speaker 2: this man was into witchcraft, but whatever he says. When
Speaker 2: he was looking for a vessel aka a haunted doll
Speaker 2: to jump inside of or you know it's a regular
Speaker 2: doll to make haunted, he said, he chose the nearest one,
Speaker 2: so that's why he's in that one. It so's the
Speaker 2: best way to communicate with him is through pendulum telepathy.
Speaker 2: Speaking to him in a calming voice.
Speaker 1: I mean I can't do that with people like let
Speaker 1: alone with the doll, Like, thanks for reading me, Leonard.
Speaker 2: He says he died at age sixty nine in a landslide.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Stevie Niggs.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say he should.
Speaker 2: Have retired, but he loved his job in one to
Speaker 2: keep working as long as possible. Finally, if you decide
Speaker 2: to welcome him into your life, you may find yourself
Speaker 2: motivated to try new things or go to new places
Speaker 2: you might expect.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna no, I'm out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm done exactly. See that's how I am with
Speaker 2: these dating apps with like as soon as I see
Speaker 2: someone hiking, I'm like, no, I'm not doing that with you.
Speaker 1: Or holding a fish. Oh my god, I'm not taking
Speaker 1: the picture. I'm not going on a boat. You white
Speaker 1: boys like to just go on boats and fish. What
Speaker 1: do you do with any psychopathics?
Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, you're gonna throw me out there.
Speaker 2: And why are you showing me this port dead fish?
Speaker 2: They love to show off these giant fish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they love to show fish, honey.
Speaker 2: It says you might experience cold spots or cold breezes
Speaker 2: around your face. You'll see orbs or feel something touching you.
Speaker 2: Leonard is okay with animals and children, so you do
Speaker 2: not have to worry about them being around him.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Well, anyway, that's.
Speaker 2: Leonard and anyone listening. If you want to see who
Speaker 2: we're talking about, go to Instagram ghosted by ros under
Speaker 2: the Stone retab that says dolls Sasha Kobe, could I
Speaker 2: play some ghost.
Speaker 1: Voices like real ghost faces?
Speaker 2: It's time for EVP or ev please, Okay. So here's
Speaker 2: what I do. Okay, was that a real person that
Speaker 2: just walked behind you?
Speaker 1: Or was that a ghost that was a real person
Speaker 1: that wasn't a ghost?
Speaker 2: Okay? So here's what I like to do, Sasha. I
Speaker 2: like to go to typically YouTube and find people's EVPs. Okay.
Speaker 2: So people are constantly ghost hunting whatever they believe they've
Speaker 2: captured a ghost saying something. Then they post it and
Speaker 2: then I want you to tell me what you hear,
Speaker 2: and then I'll give you an abcd uh one of
Speaker 2: them being what they believe the ghost to saying. Okay,
Speaker 2: So this first one, this was posted by Hawaiian. Say
Speaker 2: Hawaii Hawaiian Hawaiian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but how come?
Speaker 3: How come you sometimes do that Hawaii because there's an
Speaker 3: apostrophe or what we call them oquina in between the
Speaker 3: two eyes, and that means you pronounce each i hawaiianka.
Speaker 1: But there is an okina in Hawaiian because that's like
Speaker 1: technically like whitified. That's our nationality, not really our ethnicity.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for that Hawaiian haunting. And this is
Speaker 2: a place called the Portuguese House. Okay, before I play it,
Speaker 2: there is somebody. There's a living human that talks like
Speaker 2: kind of overlapping it at the end. So just listen
Speaker 2: in for the ghost before it. Uh, what is this
Speaker 2: ghost saying?
Speaker 1: Think of the story?
Speaker 2: Okay, could you hear that?
Speaker 1: I barely heard it. I could hear the human.
Speaker 2: I know it's like a whisper. Let me put it again.
Speaker 1: Think of the story. I heard it like a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me play it again.
Speaker 1: Think of the story like I am done.
Speaker 2: Ooh that's a good one. Wait wait, wait, I think
Speaker 2: of the story. Sure that's possible. That is not what
Speaker 2: Hawaiian hauntings thought. Did they think it was a I
Speaker 2: don't care girl. Do they think it was B I
Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody? Do they think it was C here
Speaker 2: I come or d your iconic.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they thought that. They said C.
Speaker 2: They believe it was B. I didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't hear that anybody.
Speaker 2: I think that that is the human talks over the
Speaker 2: anybody got it? I think? Let me play it again.
Speaker 1: I think of the story day man. I wish she
Speaker 1: didn't talk. I know, because I hear I didn't. Now,
Speaker 1: isn't that weird what your mind will think? Well, you're
Speaker 1: just told it's.
Speaker 2: Funny that you said. You ask if it's what my
Speaker 2: mind thinks? Because this next EVP comes from a YouTube
Speaker 2: user named Roz Hernandez The Haunted Doll. Now, this crazy
Speaker 2: bitch believes that she had captured a ghost saying something.
Speaker 2: All right, This is from episode two of my new
Speaker 2: YouTube series Rose Hernandez The Haunted Doll. And I went
Speaker 2: to this haunted hotel and stayed in this haunted room.
Speaker 2: The hotel is called the Hotel Monta Vista in Flagstaff, Arizona.
Speaker 1: Oh, is that the one that's like westername that is
Speaker 1: still wild? Because I went to flag Staff and I
Speaker 1: was staying at a haunted hotel that they filmed like
Speaker 1: old Western movies, and every room was named after a
Speaker 1: different celebrity, and the Clark. I was in the Clark
Speaker 1: gable room, and I fully thought I saw like a
Speaker 1: haunted family, but they were just a random family on
Speaker 1: the roof. I thought that they were looking in my window.
Speaker 2: Wait a second, that is the hotel I went to.
Speaker 2: That place is very.
Speaker 1: Haunted, super haunted. I did pride there.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, so it was that hotel. By
Speaker 2: the way, I will say full disclosure, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if this was your experience. It was one of
Speaker 2: the loudest places I have ever spent time. And I
Speaker 2: used to work in nightclubs. This place, I could hear
Speaker 2: everything on the street, I hear everything in the building.
Speaker 2: It was loud, so it was kind of hard to
Speaker 2: goost time. But I think that sometimes I could hear
Speaker 2: at least my devices captured voices that seemed to be
Speaker 2: not outside they were in the room because they were
Speaker 2: just too clear.
Speaker 1: I completely believe you heard it's something me here because
Speaker 1: I stayed there, so I get it well.
Speaker 2: The room that I stayed in, room three oh five,
Speaker 2: is haunted allegedly by an old lady who died in
Speaker 2: the rocking chair. And now this rocking chair moves on
Speaker 2: its own. What is this guy saying? Do you hear it?
Speaker 1: I heard something? I know you're something, that's definitely something.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I feel valitated.
Speaker 1: I know you're And then it gets a little the.
Speaker 2: Voice is like a couple of seconds into this.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, I hear I know yours.
Speaker 2: Well, that is not what Hrores Fernanda is the haunted
Speaker 2: all thought? Did she think it was a why you dumb?
Speaker 2: Did she think it was b right? Now? See quiet down?
Speaker 2: Or d Kisasha Kobe come back here for Bride?
Speaker 1: I think you thought they said.
Speaker 2: See I did I believe that this goes? Said quiet down? Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if she was talking to me. I'm
Speaker 2: assuming she was talking to the people outside. Now that
Speaker 2: we know it's quiet down, listen up. Okay, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: see I've been doing this for years, just taking people's
Speaker 2: youtubes and putting them on my podcast and putting these
Speaker 2: people on blast. When it's you, it's real vulnerable. Okay.
Speaker 2: I will say, I'm learning a lot today.
Speaker 1: My mind, how the tables have turned, how the rocking
Speaker 1: chair has rocked.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna do one rapid fire thing. I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna list up some like paranormal things. And then I
Speaker 2: want to know if you believe in it, if you
Speaker 2: have a story, what do you think Ouiji boards?
Speaker 1: Love them, love the aesthetic, love, use one. No, I
Speaker 1: respect it too much. Oh okay, I got too many
Speaker 1: conjurings going on.
Speaker 2: Do want to conjure things up like that? Out of nowhere?
Speaker 2: You really have to have free time and be open
Speaker 2: to making friends. And I've got enough friends right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got both of those on. No, do not disturb.
Speaker 1: I'll start roll filled up with friends. Thanks.
Speaker 2: What do you think of Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: I feel like Bigfoot and I was shared the same heels. Actually,
Speaker 1: a delta work calls me sasquatch Kobe, so I must
Speaker 1: believe in it since I am would she call you
Speaker 1: that or sausage Kobe? I don't know, and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: my phone name is sausage Roll.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, sasquatch Kobe.
Speaker 1: That is rude, very dope, so dope.
Speaker 2: But do you think it's real? Do you think that
Speaker 2: there is such a thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I believe.
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, do they have one in Hawaii?
Speaker 1: They have random like weird little creatures that they talk about,
Speaker 1: not necessarily like a bigfoot or like a Sasquatch. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: more so like they have like these many who ney
Speaker 1: which are like little people like gnomes apparently like they're
Speaker 1: like very gnome like in their tricksters and will like
Speaker 1: kind of like fu fuck with your ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of different cultures have that kind of
Speaker 2: a thing. I'm like a lot of Latin American cultures
Speaker 2: have duendees, which is like very similar to that. Okay, UFOs,
Speaker 2: what do you.
Speaker 1: Think waiting for one to take.
Speaker 2: Me as well? I'm fighting you for that.
Speaker 1: Just fucking take me back.
Speaker 2: I'm hopefully we both get chosen at the same time, because.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're both that. We'll call right for
Speaker 1: the next rode.
Speaker 2: Literally whatever stand by list you need me to sign
Speaker 2: up for. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I got the points. Let's go like I've been collecting them.
Speaker 2: We'll take delta.
Speaker 1: Things are looking really bad or her, somebody's gonna come
Speaker 1: and get me, honey.
Speaker 2: Well, things are not looking bad in the world of
Speaker 2: Sasha Kobe, tell us what is going on for you?
Speaker 2: Where we can find you, where we can see you.
Speaker 1: You can find me on these streets, honey. Now you
Speaker 1: can find me probably at your nearest airport. That's where
Speaker 1: I can. Most people like, what are you doing here
Speaker 1: as of right now? Actually, I don't know when this
Speaker 1: is gored of air But tomorrow I'm getting my FFS,
Speaker 1: So I'm actually like taking October and November off stop. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: finally get my.
Speaker 2: Facial feminization surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm one of the last people to get to
Speaker 2: see this version of you.
Speaker 1: Actually I think you are.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget this. I know.
Speaker 1: It's say goodbye to this all of this. Look see mate,
Speaker 1: my UFO forehead.
Speaker 2: You know I've said this before and I'll say it
Speaker 2: again with you here. When I first decided to post
Speaker 2: about transitioning, you were one of the first people to
Speaker 2: reach out to me and tell me congratulations. Meant a
Speaker 2: lot to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember. I remember we were we would work
Speaker 1: together and I was like, oh, I totally get that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good for you. And now just seeing how happy
Speaker 1: you are, like immersed in all these ghosts and you're
Speaker 1: still such a light. It's so wonderful cause you're well,
Speaker 1: you need to be. Thank you.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna take some time off, so you're not
Speaker 2: going to be doing.
Speaker 1: Taking some time off November twenty ninth to December twenty third,
Speaker 1: I will be doing a Drag Queen Christmas with Peter
Speaker 1: and Murray, so you can catch me on tour. I
Speaker 1: will be revealing my face in every city. I'm excited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Where do we get your hair? Where we get your ponytails?
Speaker 1: You can get my Sasha Coby phonytails on solon Extensions
Speaker 1: dot com, or you can go straight to Sashakoby dot
Speaker 1: net and you'll get your little uh, your little link there.
Speaker 1: You can get any of my merch from my best
Speaker 1: Judy dot com or Sashakoby dot net. What else could
Speaker 1: you get from me? I don't know. If you ask
Speaker 1: nicely let me, I don't know. I might give you anything.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. This was such a great episode.
Speaker 1: Ros. I can't believe finally got to do this.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much. This Sasha she is
Speaker 2: just She's incredible and I can't wait to see her
Speaker 2: new face. It's always nice to talk to somebody that
Speaker 2: I've known since my drag days. I've gone real drag
Speaker 2: queen lately. I'm touring with Bob the Drag Queen. It
Speaker 2: was just some palm Springs, working with Coco Peru and
Speaker 2: Jackie Beaten, all the old Gales. I love it. That
Speaker 2: is so part of my heritage. And people like Sasha
Speaker 2: and all these queens, they have shaped me into what
Speaker 2: I am today, and they are my heroes. So I'm
Speaker 2: so happy that she was able to join us, and
Speaker 2: I'm happy you're listening in November. Halloween's over all those
Speaker 2: fair weather spooky queens. You know these people, they come
Speaker 2: in during October and then they go all right, no
Speaker 2: more spooky. It's Christmas time, not you people. You people
Speaker 2: are the real freaks that stick around. And I love you.
Speaker 2: I love you all but living and dead. But if
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share
Speaker 2: your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out
Speaker 2: loud and sometimes I'll even call you, So email me
Speaker 2: at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. You can
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Speaker 2: on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior
Speaker 2: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the
Speaker 2: alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed
Speaker 2: by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the
Speaker 2: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising
Speaker 2: Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine
Speaker 2: chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac.
Speaker 2: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
Speaker 2: chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia hard Start, and the
Speaker 2: frightening Danielle Kramer.