1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Well, the Cardinal's latest road trip has come to an end, 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: and I think everyone involved is happy about that. Welcome 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: back to Cardinal Territory, the official Saint Louis Cardinals podcast 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory podcast Network. We're your host Katie 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: and Berti Nicholas to talk about a super fun, super 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: exciting one in five road trip. The Cardinals headed to 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Seattle earlier in the week, they were swept in three 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: games by the Mariners. Came to Milwaukee and one today 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: to salvage a one in five trip, but overall it 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: was just not great baseball. And I know that we, 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: personally Bertie, have not really looked at the standings. Yes, 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are mathematically still in it, but we know 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: the priority is twenty twenty six and beyond. This is 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: not a team that is contending for a postseason birth, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: no matter what the numbers say. But for the New 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: York Mets to have imploded so poorly and lose eight 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: games and the Cardinals to gain absolutely zero traction in 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: that now all of a sudden, very tight nationally wild 19 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: card just makes you shake your head a little bit. 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: What were your thoughts about the week that was Bernie well, first. 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 2: Of all, to just to piggyback on which you said, 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: it's just amazing. It's it's actually to me kind of 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: funny because the Cardinals were I never had the feeling 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: for one moment that the Cardinals had a chance at 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 2: this once they reached a certain level, but the Mets 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: gave them every chance to do something about it. And 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: before that, the Giants did, and before that the Reds did, 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: and before that Arizona did, and everyone was just like, Okay, Cardinals, 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: come on, come on, there's still time. Come on, doors open, 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: come on. And they never they never could put anything together. 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: And it's like it's almost like no matter how bad 32 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: the Cardinals played or how many games they lost, they 33 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: were always like four games out and that's where they 34 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: are right now. It's just so bizarre. Anyway, my very 35 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: my cliff News excuse me, gush, it's not that late. 36 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: I'm acting like I'm bedtime or something. No, my Cliff 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: Notes version would be in Seattle. The Cardinals, they didn't 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: need to know this, but it was reaffirmed. They saw 39 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: a team that showed you what a modern starting rotation 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: should look like. Right strikeouts, just being able to pitch 41 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: your way out of trouble by just getting swings and 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: misses and getting you know, getting guys not being able 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: to even get a fly ball on you to bring 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 2: home a sacrifice fly. I mean they saw the benefit 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: of power pitching. Even when the pitchers aren't necessarily great 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: that night. They have so much ability to punch hitters 47 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: out that they can escape for anything. They're not vulnerable 48 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: even when they are vulnerable, if that makes sense. And 49 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: then I think in Milwaukee, the Cardinals lose two out 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: of three, and I think it's just reaffirms something that 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: we know and I think the Cardinals know too. When 52 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: you look at Milwaukee, you know, first of all, once again, 53 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: really really good starting pitching, really deep starting pitching, good 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: variety of starting pitching. The bullpen's good. But you look 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: at the offense and where the Cardinals offense has been 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: absolutely horrendous since the All Star Break. And Milwaukee can 57 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 2: score runs in so many ways, so many ways. They 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: have power surges from time to time. They're not a 59 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 2: power hitting team per se, but they go through stretches 60 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: where they are. But when they don't hit for power, 61 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: they have great athleticism. They lead to the National League 62 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: in stolen bases. They're the best base running team in 63 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: the National League according to Statcast and fangrafts. They also 64 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: have hitters that are smart and selective and take grade 65 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: at bats, and they're exceptional at situational hitting. Like so, 66 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: if something's not working for the Brewers offensively, there's always 67 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: something for them to lean on. So fall back on 68 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: the Cardinals. It's like, well, do we have power, No, 69 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: we really don't have power. Okay, we'll run our way 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: into runs. Uh, well no, you can't do that either. 71 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: Our situational hitting, well yeah, the first couple of months, 72 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: but then it went down down the drain. So Milwaukee 73 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: is an example of, really, how I think you build 74 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: an offense that is so well rounded you're going to 75 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: win a lot of games with it because there's always 76 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: something you can do to score runs. You're not overly 77 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: reliant on power, you're not overly reliant on small ball. 78 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: They've got a mix of a lot of good skills, 79 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: and at one point or the other, something or a 80 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: couple of those things is always working, even if one 81 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: area is not working well at that time. So maybe 82 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: they learned something from losing five out of six to 83 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: Seattle in Milwaukee. That's all I got pretty much. 84 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think you're spot on about the Brewers, who 85 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: became the first team in baseball to win ninety games 86 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: on Friday and then became the first team to clinch 87 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: a post season spot on Saturday. And that was before 88 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: their epic come back to beat the Cardinals nine to 89 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: eight and ten innings in the game that the Cardinals 90 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: led six to two and the seventh inning. But honestly, 91 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: I felt like that was theirs to lose all day, 92 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: that entire game, and because there is such a vast 93 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: difference in where the Brewers are as an organization and 94 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: where the Cardinals are as an organization, and you could 95 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: see it on the field. Saturday's game was I think 96 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: the worst game the Cardinals have played. Not because they 97 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: blew the lead, which was bad obviously, it was because 98 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: of how they didn't capitalize on so many different things, 99 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: situational hitting, Victor Scott, the second who I'm so high on, 100 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: and this is a learning opportunity for him. Okay, I 101 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: don't want this to come across as like Victor, you know, 102 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: we're out on We're not. We're very We're proud supporters 103 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: of him. On the show come down. He knows that, 104 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: he knows he needs to do that. Okay, that's something 105 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: that didn't happen. Nolan Gorman made some key mistakes at 106 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: third base again, didn't make some plays, and he's gotten 107 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: better at third base, but those plays weren't made. Thomas 108 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: a jac is struggling to learn shortstop on the fly. 109 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be perfect. Mason wins seasons. His season 110 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: is over, so so Jason needs to learn on the fly. Like, 111 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: you can't fault these players for developing at the big 112 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: leagues because that's what they're supposed to do. Sometimes you're 113 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: gonna have games that look like that Saturday that it 114 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: came from a collective effort on top of the bullpen 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: that's usually nails having an off game, which is allowed. 116 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: It just kind of showed to me, Okay, the Cardinals organization, 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: they cannot afford to make a mistake. They have to 118 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: play a perfect baseball game every single day to give 119 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: them shot a chance to win. And if they don't, 120 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: teams like the Mariners, teams like the Brewers are going 121 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: to capitalize and they're gonna they're gonna get you. And 122 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened on Saturday. It almost happened again 123 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: Sunday with Jose for me and getting picked off on 124 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: a walk, which I don't think I've ever seen before. 125 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: It's little stuff like that where it just reinforces the 126 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: need for me to continue this rebuild and actually do 127 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: it in a way that's going to bring meaningful change. 128 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: Not a reset, not a transition, a full rebuild. Let 129 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: these players figure things out at the major league level. 130 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: I think Victor Scott the second is going to be 131 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: a great center fielder for the Cardinals, and I think 132 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: that that what he's gone through offensively this year is 133 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: only going to make him better. Nolan Gorman has some 134 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: things to figure out from from both sides of the ball. 135 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that the Cardinals was given on 136 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: these players, right, but it did frustrate. I'm sure it 137 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: frustrated fans to see just how far ahead the Brewers 138 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: are and where the Cardinals were at. And that definitely 139 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: came into play on Saturday. 140 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. And you know that, you know 141 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 2: the Cardinals during the season a lot of times Ali 142 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to dump on Ali here because 143 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: Ali's you know, gotta gotta gotta keep stressing the positives. 144 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: And I get that, but there's somebody I heard so 145 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: many things this year about, you know, the quality that 146 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: the Cardinals were taken the bats, the quality there at bats. 147 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: Sorry and at times yeah, at times, but consistently no, 148 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: and once again, to watch the Brewers work, work tocounts 149 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: the way they do. I saw something when I was 150 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: doing some research for something that I did on a video. 151 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: You know, this was as a Friday morning. The Brewers 152 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: had swung at fewer pitches than any team in the majors, 153 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: but when they did swing, they had the highest contact 154 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: rate in the majors, and they had one of the 155 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: lowest swing and miss rates in the majors. They drew 156 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: a lot of walks, their strikeouts are normal. They just 157 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: take graded pats. I mean, it's like they know what 158 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: they're doing up there. You know, you always talk about 159 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, Brent Brown and Olly. You know, they want 160 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 2: to give the player, the hitters, They give them a 161 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: lot of information. You want them to come up with 162 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: a plan. They talk game plan each individual pitcher and 163 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: then they go up and if they had a ga 164 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: game plan, which they did, but a lot of times 165 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: you think it ever existed, because it's like, well, what 166 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: exactly is the approach here? So the strikeouts piled up 167 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: over the last two months. I know a lot of 168 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: that had to do with Iron out of being shut 169 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: down and Donovan being hurt, you know, because those guys 170 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: don't strike out much. But yeah, I mean the thing 171 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 2: that Discipate points me about the Runway season project Runway 172 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: or whatever is that they you know, I think it 173 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: kind of disintegrated on them. I mean, we don't have 174 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: time to get in on this, and I think we 175 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: can review it more comprehensive fashion. You know, it a 176 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: upcoming cardinal territory. But this relates to something we were 177 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: talking about, you know, a couple of minutes ago, you know, 178 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: about how they need a full rebuild because this year, 179 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: if you think about it, the whole thing was kind 180 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: of preposterous. Am I back waivered there moment? 181 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: No? 182 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: I mean I had no problem with the so called 183 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: runway concept. But the problem is you're also you got 184 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: a manager who kind of was on the hot seat 185 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: coming in. There were some legitimate questions about his job security, 186 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: and you had you had the one thing Ali had 187 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: kept saying all year long, I don't have to tell 188 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: you because you heard it a million times. It's like, 189 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, no, our guys want to win, we think 190 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: we can win. We're gonna try to win. And you know, 191 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: that's what you got to do with young players. They 192 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: need to know that winning's important. So we're gonna win, 193 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: We're gonna try to win, We're gonna try to win. Okay, 194 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: that's fine, but then you know he's still saying it 195 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: when obviously they have no chance to make the playoffs, 196 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: and they have players that are trying to play hurt 197 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: who really, quite frankly, shouldn't been playing trying to play hurt. 198 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: And so you're at cross purposes because because I think 199 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: most people could get on the whole runway thing, but 200 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: you really can't have a true runway season if you're 201 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: also saying but no, no, no, no no, But we're 202 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: also trying to players how you handle Plus am I 203 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: still here? Sorry you're here. 204 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: I can hear you, but I can't see you anything. 205 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: They you know, you know, young players want to do 206 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: well for themselves. They think they're getting an opportunity, but 207 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: sometimes it seems like the priority is like, well, if 208 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 2: this guy comes back, he's got to play because we're 209 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: still in this even though you're not. It's just the 210 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: whole thing was cross purposes too many times because it 211 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: wasn't a clear mission. That's a problem. You can't have 212 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: missions were three missions baked into one season. You have 213 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: to have a clear mission, and they really didn't have 214 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: a clear mission. They were trying to straddle that line, 215 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: and frankly, that is just not that's that's not going 216 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: to lead to a happy conclusion. It just isn't. You're 217 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: not going to achieve what you wanted to achieve on 218 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: either end, not fully. So you sort of you sort 219 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: of miss out on both things because you're trying to 220 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: do both things when the purpose should have been like 221 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 2: a single minded purpose on one thing. 222 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, that's fair, and I feel like that's what 223 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: the Cardinals tried to do. We talked about it earlier 224 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: in the season, of trying to do both, trying to 225 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: win and develop at the same time. And if there's 226 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: one thing that they learned or they answered in this 227 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: season is that it was really hard to do both. 228 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: And if that's where the players are in your organization, 229 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: that's okay. But that's why the rebuild next year needs 230 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: to actually be a rebuild where you're not trying to 231 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: travel the fence or do both. If you went out 232 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: there and you try to win with a bunch of 233 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: players that were developing at the same time, those players 234 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: need further development. Okay, at least you've answered something this season. 235 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: Next year, switch the strategy, embrace more of the rebuild. 236 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: It's not going to be fun, it's not going to 237 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: be competitive baseball. You're going to see a little bit 238 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: of a worse play, missing fundamentals, plays that should be 239 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: made not be made. That's the nature of a rebuild. 240 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: But if that's the focus to get the Cardinals where 241 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: they should be in a couple of years, well then 242 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: that's what they should do. So Bernie, and with you, 243 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: let's let's focus. Let's switch gears a little bit to 244 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: our Draft Kings spotlight. We'll talk about our Draft Kings 245 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: player to watch in just one moment. Okay, all right, 246 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: before we get there, Bernie, I'm going to reset your 247 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: screen so we can see you again. Give me one second. 248 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: Are you there? 249 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? Can you hear me? 250 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: I can hear you, but I still can't see you. 251 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what's up. I apologize unless you 252 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: want me to reconnect or something or try that. 253 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: Let's try that and I'll start our all DraftKings segment. 254 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll do that. I'll be right back with you. 255 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: All right, Cardinal Territory, our DraftKings player to watch coming 256 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: into the final homestand of the season, which is crazy 257 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: when you think about it. Well, that's mister Nolan Arnado 258 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: who will be activated off the ten day il tomorrow, 259 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: that is Monday. Manager only Marmal said to us in Milwaukee. 260 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: He will be in the starting lineup play third base 261 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: for the final two weeks of the season. Let's see, 262 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna get Bernie back here, Bernie there, yep. All right, 263 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: still I still have nothing but a black score. 264 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: I apologize for that. Well maybe maybe I can just 265 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: I don't know, revert to the bad screen to try 266 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: to go you talk and I'll try to figure this out. Okay, 267 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 2: I apologize too. 268 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: No worries. This is what happens when the middle of September, 269 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: end of the season, doing a podcast right after a 270 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: seven day game or seven day road trip. But no, no, no, no, 271 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: we'll be back and playing third base for the same 272 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: as Cardinals. He'll finish the year there, I would imagine 273 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: that he will be the primary third baseman once more. 274 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan returned to last week, so that's exciting. Alc 275 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: Burroson back as well. 276 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: So yes, you. 277 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Lose Mason Wynn, but you still have those three players 278 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: back in the starting lineup and that will help hopefully 279 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: the offense for our Nato. I know that it has 280 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: not been the season that the Cardinals have wanted him 281 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: or that he's wanted to have. I mean, he's missed 282 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: six weeks of play in the second half. This is 283 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: the guy that's been on the inter list just four 284 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: times in his I believe thirteen year career. For him 285 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: to be able to come back in the final two 286 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: weeks and show hopefully that he can still play, that 287 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: he's still got it, that will be important and hopefully 288 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: as the Cardinals look to go into the off season, 289 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: we'll probably be talking a lot more about Nolan Arnatto 290 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: and if he'll be a Cardinal again next year. Call 291 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: it deja vu, where we all know what we're looking 292 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: at again. At least we're prepared this time for what 293 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: that could look like. But that's our player spotlight because 294 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: it will be nice to have one of the best 295 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: third basemen in baseball back at the hot corner. The 296 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals have really needed it. I thought I had some 297 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: conversations around the club this past series where the Cardinals 298 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: defense without Mason Winn and Nolan Arnatto on the left 299 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: side takes a fallback dramatically, and we've seen it. This 300 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: is a Cardinals team, based on their starting rotation and 301 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: their bullpen, that really needs a lockdown and field defense 302 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: because of the amount of groundball contact. Having Nolan Arnatto 303 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: back will be helpful. I hopefully these games won't feel 304 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: as non competitive as they have for quite a few 305 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: weeks now. I'm excited to see what Nolan will do 306 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: back in the lineup to close out the season and 307 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: if he can boost his trade value at all, because 308 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: I imagine Cardinals fans will be talking about that once 309 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: more this offseason. Speaking of talking, let's see we can 310 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: get Bernie back. Let's let's try. He well, I can't 311 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: see you again, Bernie, but we can talk. That's fine. 312 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: I'm really sorry. I have no idea what happened to me. 313 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: I don't know what technology. That's all right, no one, 314 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: No one needs to see my ugly mug. Anyway. 315 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: No, that's not true. 316 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: So go ahead. 317 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: You're there in spirit, and if you're watching on the podcast, 318 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: I don't even know he's gone. So that's our that's 319 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: our player Spotlight presented by DraftKings. You can go and 320 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: check out all the NFL Week three action. 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And do you think the Cardinals 337 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: will actually trade him this offseason? 338 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: I think if they're going to play him, and again 339 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: I'm not saying they shouldn't play him, because it put 340 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: it behind him. So I think if you're going to 341 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: try to trade him, it's you need to establish that 342 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: he's not broken down. So I understand the logic and 343 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 2: playing him, although again here we go, it sort of 344 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: defeats the whole. Well, this is a runway season. You 345 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: know you got to you got two weeks left, and 346 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: if Nolan Gorman or someone else isn't playing third base, 347 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: it's kind of like, okay, well what happened to the runway? 348 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: And it is isn't that they're doing anything wrong, but 349 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: it's just the idea that it really can't be a 350 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 2: runway season because of the way they set things up 351 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: and what the reality was after Aronauto traded down Veto 352 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: that trade to Houston. So even down to the very end, 353 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: it's like it's a contradictory plan for twenty twenty five. 354 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: I just I'm not even ripping them for the third 355 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: base thing, but I'm just saying it's kind of it 356 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: kind of sums up the season, but I do think 357 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: they need to play him, and obviously he's still got 358 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: his his skill defensively, and my hope would be for 359 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 2: him because you know how much failure can't quantify it? Well, 360 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: what do you mean by that? I mean it could 361 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: be just as simple as like a lot of hard contact, 362 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: maybe not a great batting average or whatever, but just 363 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: driving the ball, showing that there's something, there's some ustle 364 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: there he can hit with some authority. Would that move 365 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 2: the needle much in terms of teams wanting him in 366 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: a trade? Probably not. But on the other hand, if 367 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: he plays most of the final two weeks and he's 368 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 2: just absolutely awful and he looks over matched offensively, just 369 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: looks really bad at the plate, then teams that have 370 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: some interest but they're not sure that could that could 371 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: kind of move them to the all due respect, but 372 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: no way, we're not interested that side, that side of 373 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: the aisle. So I don't know. It's with the Cardinals, man, 374 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: it's always complicated, right, It's never it's never simple like 375 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: what the mission is. It's always complicated. 376 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: So that should be theirs their slogan next year, just 377 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals T shirts. Cardinals baseball. It's complicated. I'm gonna make 378 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: one of those. I would wear it. I would wear 379 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: it every day. My thing with Nolan Arnado coming back 380 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: is twofold one. We talk a lot about Gorman not 381 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: being able to play third base every day and not 382 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: having an opportunity to play consistently in this runway season. 383 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to point out that with two separate sins 384 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: on the injured list, Gorman still played. Coming into play Monday, 385 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: one hundred and three games. He had three hundred and 386 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: seventy three played appearances. Over the course of his four 387 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: year career, he's had over fifteen hundred plate appearances, over 388 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred at bats. Okay, so he had, especially this 389 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: season where he was able to play consistently at third 390 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: base every day, plenty of runway for the Cardinals to 391 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: decide what he's had, and it's been better. But over 392 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: the last six weeks that strikeout where he has skyrocketed 393 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: and he's fallen back into old habits and third base 394 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: does need some work. It's getting better, but it does 395 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: need some work. So I think that the Cardinals have 396 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: actually given that transition runway to Nolan Gorman. He hasn't 397 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: exactly seized it like he would have hoped to, and 398 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: I think he'd be the first to say that. But 399 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: I do think that they've had enough to see from 400 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: Gorman to decide what they can expect at least coming 401 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: into twenty twenty six. For Arnauto. It remains to be seen, 402 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: and hopefully we find this out soon. How a new 403 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: front office will deal with the full note trade clause. 404 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: A veteran who was owed over forty million dollars for 405 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: the final two years of his contract, an ownership that 406 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: is not necessarily eager to eat the money and has, 407 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: for the history of their tenure refuse to eat money 408 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: on big contracts like this. But I don't think Nolan 409 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: Arnado can be a Cardinal next year. I don't think 410 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: you should have been one this year. 411 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: And I agree, I agree with you. 412 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: I agree with you someone who has all the respect 413 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: in the world for a number twenty eight. But when 414 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: you think about what they're doing, what the Cardinals are 415 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: doing right now is absolutely what is best for their 416 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: organization long term. It's probably the worst thing that could 417 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: be for Nolan Arnatdo's personal career, and it's better for 418 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: both sides. Two part ways at this point. So Heim 419 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: Bloom coming in has a very hard task to do. 420 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: Move a superstar, move a franchise name, and do so 421 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: knowing that this player has a full no trade clause, 422 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: knowing that he only has a select list of teams 423 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: that he would for to go to because he'll be 424 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: thirty four years old thirty five next year and wants 425 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: to play for a contending team. He's played in just 426 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: eight postseason games his entire career. So we as we 427 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: saw last year, there are not a lot of places 428 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: in this little Ben diagram of things that the team 429 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: needs and the player needs that fit. Then you add 430 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: in the money and the contract and the decline offensively 431 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: from Nolan this year, it gets even more complicated. Maybe 432 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: I'm crazy with all that in front of us. I 433 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: still think they trade him, and I think it's gonna 434 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: be one of the first things they do. Now, as 435 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: we revisit this episode in February and Nolan Arnado is 436 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: going to Jupiter again, I don't want to hear it, 437 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: but I'd like to be an optimist. We had a 438 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: new front office and maybe a change perspective from the 439 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: player would result in a different outcome than what we 440 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: saw this year. It's just better for both sides. If 441 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnatto is actually traded this winter. 442 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: And listen, I think it's incumbent upon ownership to make 443 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: it happen. If if getting a deal done that would 444 00:22:54,320 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: make Arnatto happy, what he would approve. But also, I 445 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: mean eating half of it. Maybe it all depends on 446 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 2: who the other team is. They're just gonna have to 447 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: eat a lot of that contract because I don't I 448 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: just don't see teams lining up to pay Arnatto just 449 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: for his defense over the next two years. And listen, 450 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: I think his defense is still really good, but it's 451 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: not It's not as great as it was for such 452 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: a long time. It's still well above average, don't get 453 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: me wrong, but not at the career peak levels. So 454 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: he's slipped a little bit. But he's still in a 455 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: way that can help the team win. But if he 456 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: can't hit at all, I'm not sure that just given 457 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: the glove down there, really provides enough value. He doesn't 458 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 2: run the bases very well because he's not fast, and 459 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: that's okay, So the Cardinals are going to have to 460 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: go above and beyond if they've got someone on the 461 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: line is interested in him. They the Cardinals cannot take 462 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: an out that's to get that done. They're going to 463 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: have to have a reality check about what's necessary and 464 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: they're gonna have to do it. And then if they're 465 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: not going to do it, then I don't really know 466 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: what the heck they're again, well, well then what what's 467 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 2: your plan? Now? Again we have to ask you how 468 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 2: many years? And I'm not none of this is I'm 469 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: Bloom's fault, but you know, are we going to be 470 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: sitting here in twenty twenty eight saying, well, what what 471 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: plan this year? You know, what, what's your plan? We're 472 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: not We're not sure of the plan. They got to 473 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: remove They got to remove all obstacles. They all these nags, 474 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: all these knots that are that are formed because they 475 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: either don't want to pay a team to take a 476 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 2: guy off their hands, and you know, they they have 477 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: position or redundancy. They they in the past have given 478 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: contract extensions that came back to bite them, and just 479 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 2: on and on and on. Just all these things need 480 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: to be untangled. And you know, when these other teams 481 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: have gone into a rebuild, it was pretty easy trade 482 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: off players. They let other players walk, They don't give 483 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: contract extensions to get someone like Ironado transferred. They're just 484 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: gonna have to suck it up and pay off a 485 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 2: big deal of a big share of his contract. That's when. 486 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm known to be lose Bernie. We might have lost 487 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: some guys, we might have lost him. But while he 488 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: comes back, I'll go ahead and echo those points. The 489 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: Cardinals have ownership. This is not a high bloom decision. 490 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: Ownership has to be willing to eat some money here 491 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: or change how they evaluate the ur and auto trade 492 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: for that to actually happen. And I feel at this 493 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: point maybe they would entertain this a little bit more 494 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: because they know this is pretty much their only option. 495 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: All right, quick message from surf Shark. Hopefully we get 496 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: Burning back. Keep our fingers crossed. We'll be right back 497 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: here at Cardinal Territory. 498 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 4: We spend a lot of time on the road. We 499 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 4: are often concerned about our online security when you're logging 500 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 4: in from all over the globe. Really, so you should 501 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 4: maybe look into a VPN. 502 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: What does that stand for? Crafts Virtual Private network? 503 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 4: Boom nailed it, and that virtual private network that you 504 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 4: should look into is called surf Shark. It is time 505 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 4: to take control of your online security and try surf 506 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 4: Shark today. 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Keep your data safe. 516 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: All right, Bernie is still dealing with technical difficulties. That's okay. 517 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: We'll go ahead and end this one with a preview 518 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: of the last home stand at Bush Stadium for the 519 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five season. Three games against the Cincinnati Reds, 520 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: who are very much in the postseason. Hunt off day 521 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: on Thursday, and then the final home series will be 522 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: against the Brewers, and hopefully that goes a lot better 523 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: than how the series at American Family Field. 524 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: Went. 525 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and look at these standings coming into 526 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: Monday's game, the wildcard, Philly's brewer is going at it 527 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: for the one and two seed. Dodgers are sitting in 528 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: a comfortable third spot. The Cubs, they look like they're 529 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: going to lock up that fourth spot with the Padres 530 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: and the Mets barely hanging on. They won a game 531 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: after losing eight straight. You look at these teams that 532 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: are going to be battling for the sixth spot. Here 533 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: ahead of the Cardinals who are seventy three and seventy seven, 534 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: you have the Cincinnati Reds who are seventy four and 535 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: seventy five, the Arizona Diamondbacks and even five hundred at 536 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: seventy five to seventy five, and the San Francisco Giants 537 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: seventy five seventy four. So there is about three and 538 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: two and a half games, excuse me, between the Cardinals 539 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: and the Giants, and then the Mets have a game 540 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: and a half lead over the Giants, but I also 541 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: believe New York has a tiebreaker over San Francisco. So 542 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: it's very complicated. It could be very chaotic, especially because 543 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: the Cardinals play the Giants three times and the Reds 544 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: three times, so there can be some chaos here, again 545 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: not exactly proclaiming that the Cardinals will make it into 546 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: the postseason, but they could really mess up other teams 547 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: chances there. He is, he's back for the end. Vernie. 548 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: I either need better wireless or better equipment or both. 549 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 2: So anyway, I need to rebuild. I need to re 550 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: I need a reset. 551 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: I think at this point we were all day to day. 552 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: Anyway, let me finish what I'm saying, and I'm sure 553 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: the great editors there can put it together are saying. 554 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: So ownership's got to be committed to spending what it 555 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: takes to make an Iron out of trade happen. And 556 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: if they don't, then I'm not sure. You know, again, 557 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what exactly their their purposes of keeping 558 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: Iron out and when there was a chance to move them, 559 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying, When if there is a chance 560 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: to move them, And it's always we were saying, you know, 561 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: it's always complicated with the Cardinals. You know, teams that rebuild, 562 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: they rebuild. You know, they trade who they want to trade. 563 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: They don't worry about hurting feelings. They make moves based 564 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: on what's best for us over the next to get 565 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: where we want to go over the next three years 566 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: or so. We can't take anything else in the consideration. 567 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 2: We can't try to fool the fans into thinking we're 568 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: still going to try to win, when really we're not 569 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: going to be in any way, shape or form ready 570 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: to win. The whole point of this is to get 571 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: back to where we can win, so they can't be 572 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: doing this toe in the line thing. And I think 573 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: the hour and out of thing just kind of symbolizes 574 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: all of this. Although once again it must be pointed 575 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: out that he could have gone to the Astros and 576 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: he turned it down, so it's not all on the Cardinals. 577 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: Arnado had the contractual right to veto a trade. I 578 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: respect his opinion on what he wanted to do. It's 579 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: his career, so but the point is it could have 580 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: worked out differently. But I just worry about you know, 581 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: you know Gorman, you were we were talking earlier. You know, 582 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: Gorman didn't pass the test, so to speak. He didn't 583 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 2: solidify his future as in, yeah, we have to have 584 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 2: that guy in the lineup one hundred and thirty, one 585 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five games next year. He didn't really 586 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: do enough to solidify that Jordan Walker didn't solidify that 587 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: at all, and so I'm using those two as an example. 588 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: So what does that mean? Does that mean, Okay, we're 589 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: going to try to trade them? Does it mean we'll 590 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: trade one of them? Does it mean no, we're we're 591 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: gonna send them into the minors they can have to 592 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: earn their way back to the big club. They're not 593 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: going to open the season with us. I don't know 594 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: what it means, you know. So it's until heim Bloom, 595 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: you know, brings a lot of clarity of the situation. 596 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 2: Probably not going to have a really good idea. 597 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: And isn't that so so wonderful? And a season designated 598 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: for answering questions that we suddenly have more questions than 599 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: answers heading into twenty twenty six seems like that journey 600 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: that can be our next episode next week, because I 601 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: think that's actually a really interesting topic to dive into, 602 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: because you're right, there are not a lot of answers 603 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: readily available for this Cardinal squad, and it likely won't 604 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: be until we get into the off season. So well 605 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: us to talk about at least here Cardinal's territory Cardinals Breads. 606 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: Starting Monday, we have pitching tomorrow, Michael Maby. I'll just 607 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: want to great question math tomorrow. All right, there we go. Yeah, 608 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm really on it, Bernie. Sometimes we just gotta. 609 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 2: We just gotta try our best, grind it out. 610 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: You gotta grind it out, grinding out of bats here 611 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: at Cardinal Territory right now, Bernie ll be back for 612 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: signed up from the Cardinals as well. Waiting for a 613 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: day so I wan't announce the person yet, but that 614 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: should be exciting. And uh yeah, I'm here at Cardinal Territory. 615 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: We're very happy for the support as always. Thanks for 616 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: sticking with us, Bernie. Anything you have coming up work wise, No, just. 617 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: Gonna be doing you know, uh my daily video and 618 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 2: daily column for Stale Sports Central, Gas House Gang and 619 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 2: Rush Redbird Rush Hour on KMOX. We'll have Ali Marmel 620 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: on Tuesday as he is every Tuesday, and then I 621 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: do the Seeing Red podcasts. In addition to this, I 622 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: do the Seeing Red podcast with Will Leach. We're gonna 623 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: record that tomorrow. So I'm a busy boy. I like 624 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: it that way. I'd be I'd be Lord knows what 625 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: I'd be doing if I didn't have stuff to do 626 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: to work related that I love doing, so I probably 627 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: be out there just wandering around the neighborhood. People calling 628 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: the cops saying there's a strange man walking around in 629 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: a bathrobe. I don't could you come. 630 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: Talk to, get him up the street, get him back inside. 631 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 2: No exactly, you know anyway, So, yeah, Katie, you're among 632 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: the people that give me something to do, so I 633 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 2: appreciate you. Well. 634 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad I can be of service, and hopefully the 635 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: Cardinals will give us something more to talk about over 636 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: the next Homestand so for Britney Mchlis, I'm Katie Moo. 637 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: Thanks always for watching Cardinal Territory. We'll be back with 638 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: you next week.