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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Monday edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live,

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Speaker 1: John Schmilk, Jeff Eagles with you. The phone number of

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Speaker 1: after an amazing Giants prizes throughout the season. We'll be

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Speaker 1: joined by Paul Schwartz of the New York Post at

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Speaker 1: two pm kind of do an overview here. We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna do a game recap necessarily, folks, because we're about

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Speaker 1: four days or so since the game ended. But Jeff

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Speaker 1: hasn't been on since the game was played, so pretty

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Speaker 1: much have talked about everything. Well, we had a show Friday,

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Speaker 1: I was on, so I give my take on the game.

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Speaker 1: Let's get your quick take before we move on to

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Speaker 1: larger team issues in terms of where we are. My

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Speaker 1: my take on the game, and I said this in

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Speaker 1: the post game and we do a little thing down

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Speaker 1: the Coaches Club, is that I was very I was

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Speaker 1: very disappointed in the and the way that the team

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Speaker 1: showed up to play. I I understand it's the Thursday

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Speaker 1: game and all those things for both teams, really, um,

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Speaker 1: but my point is that I just feel like the team.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say they didn't quit, but I

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Speaker 1: think that was just I think there was so much

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Speaker 1: to play for because coming in at one and four,

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Speaker 1: get get to get you to two and four. You

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Speaker 1: got a chance, you really do, especially with way the

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Speaker 1: NFCS had been going. And then when you dig yourself

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Speaker 1: a hole and one in five, it's gonna be real,

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Speaker 1: real difficult to go from here. And and I just

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Speaker 1: you know, offensively, the running game is still stalling. You've

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Speaker 1: got an unbelievable guy in Sequon Barkley making plays. It's

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Speaker 1: incredible what he's doing. Um the defense, I mean, listen, uh,

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Speaker 1: some some big plays in that game. And and really

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Speaker 1: when you look at this Eagles team coming in and

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Speaker 1: we talked a lot about it in our pregame show,

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Speaker 1: is that they give up a lot of big plays

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Speaker 1: and the Giants, you know, they made some big plays

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Speaker 1: sequon by himself, but where were the other big plays?

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Speaker 1: And they had seven plays of twenty more yards I

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Speaker 1: believe in the Eagles just had four. So for once,

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Speaker 1: the Giants had the advantage in the big played category.

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Speaker 1: But because of the red zone issues the Giants had

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Speaker 1: and the red zone success that the Eagles had, that

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Speaker 1: really ended up being a difference in the game, I think.

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Speaker 1: And what's set the tone early in the game was

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Speaker 1: that first interception, you know, the tip interception, and that

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Speaker 1: that really that's just kind of takes the wins out

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Speaker 1: of your sales play, by the way, absolutely, So you

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Speaker 1: know where did this team go from here? You gotta

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Speaker 1: you gotta bear down and just start, you know, just

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Speaker 1: try and and and get back to basics and winning

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Speaker 1: football games, and slowly you are one in five long

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Speaker 1: ways ago. Yeah, and Jeff and and and I wrote

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Speaker 1: about this on cover three, which I think went up

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Speaker 1: on giants dot com over the weekend, kind of on

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Speaker 1: you know where the Giants kind of stands here and

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Speaker 1: all the talk that we get, the questions that Coach

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Speaker 1: Sherman's press conferences, the coals we get on the show, Well,

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Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about is the Giants offense. That's

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Speaker 1: all people want to talk about. Offense, offense, offense, offense, offense.

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Speaker 1: And I get it, it's not as good as I

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Speaker 1: given up thirty points a game for three straight games.

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Speaker 1: For the last four games, they've given up an average

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Speaker 1: should recognize this offensively challenged teams, and the Cowboys and Jaguars,

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Speaker 1: we've seen them struggle offensively until the Cowboys yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how they put forty on the Jaguars, but

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Speaker 1: I think the issues you've seen with the defense over

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Speaker 1: We're gonna gonna talk about the Atlanta game, but they

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Speaker 1: of where we're at. So without going more details into

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Speaker 1: at two on five on three Paul Schwartz in about

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Speaker 1: twenty five minutes at two o'clock. What's next for this team? Jeff?

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Speaker 1: I mean they're sitting there at one in five. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: despite the mathematics behind it, football teams don't pull plugs

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Speaker 1: on seasons after six games. It's just not the way

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Speaker 1: it works. Players aren't wired that way. Uh, coaches aren't

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Speaker 1: what's the goals here? If you're Pat Charmer and you're

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Speaker 1: the next few weeks? What are you looking for? What

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Speaker 1: needs to get fixed? What do you need to see? Well?

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Speaker 1: I first, first, it start off with with a mini buy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: of self scout yourself. That's using on a bias. That's

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Speaker 1: We gotta fix this, We've gotta do this work on fundamentals.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important that they do that now and so,

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Speaker 1: John's you gotta have to do this, and you've gotta

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Speaker 1: you can't give up and and really you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: change your routine. The team is still gonna come to

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Speaker 1: work on Monday and Wednesday and all the other stuff.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you just have to do things better,

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Speaker 1: whether it's preparation or what. And that's that's where it's at. Yea,

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Speaker 1: have to clean that stuff up. And I think moving forward, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: you've seen Dave Gentleman is not shy about changing the

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Speaker 1: out where one and five. I don't care about my record.

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Speaker 1: the season and for the future. That's important, It really is.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to to not have what

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Speaker 1: unraveled in the middle of the year. It's a new regime,

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Speaker 1: heading into this year, I think of all the people

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Speaker 1: on the show, you're probably more pessimistic than everyone else.

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Speaker 1: I think you've said, you know you get the five hundred,

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Speaker 1: that's a good year. I think those words did come

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Speaker 1: Joe in Pennsylvania is up for Joe. Hi, guys, Uh no, Uh,

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Speaker 1: down the field throwing the football, and then they can't

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Speaker 1: get the running game going. It starts with the offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: And You've said it, and Dave Gentleman has said it,

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Speaker 1: and everybody has said that this team will only go

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Speaker 1: as far as their offensive line, period. And Pat Rummer

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Speaker 1: said it too, and Pat Shermer and and so you know,

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Speaker 1: the truth be known, that's what it is. And until

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Speaker 1: it gets fixed. And by the way, they're not cutting

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Speaker 1: all these guys and trying to go out and find

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Speaker 1: new ones right now, because you can't. They just have

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Speaker 1: to play better, period two one four or five one three,

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Speaker 1: Jordan's in Orlando is up next, and Jordan wants to

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning just by the way, also is a guy

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Speaker 1: that has to play better, Jordan, what's going on? Hello,

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Speaker 1: Jordan's would that sounds like the lightsaber that tron? Hey, guys, good,

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Speaker 1: thank you for that. It's like a Star Wars lightsaber

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Speaker 1: sound Sorry, man, I was listening to the show. I

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Speaker 1: had my had my Little Bows sound link on little feedback. Anyway, listen, guys,

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Speaker 1: you know I mean put you back and off of

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Speaker 1: the last callers a little bit and things that you

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Speaker 1: have alluded to uh earlier. You know this is a

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Speaker 1: Brown football team. Um, I gotta ask you guys a question,

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Speaker 1: and I need I need your unbiased no BS answer.

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Speaker 1: If Eli Manning, do you believe that Eli Manning is

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Speaker 1: a starting caliber NFL quarterback right now based on what

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Speaker 1: you've seen this year? Starting caliber? Yes, I think he

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Speaker 1: is one of the thirty two best quarterbacks that are

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Speaker 1: currently alive on this planet. Okay, Okay, that's fair now, guys,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. I don't feel that way. Um,

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Speaker 1: I believe. I'm of the belief that, uh, if his

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Speaker 1: last name wasn't Manning, he wouldn't be a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the NFL period. Okay, so let me before you go

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Speaker 1: further on this roster. Who's playing then? No, I get

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Speaker 1: I listen, I'm not saying that you can't. You can't

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Speaker 1: say they came out and plugged someone off in. I

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Speaker 1: understand that he is the best we have at the moment.

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Speaker 1: The New York Giants is the best we have. Jordan.

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Speaker 1: I think what you say, I think I think it's

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Speaker 1: unfair to say there are thirty two better quarterbacks. I

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Speaker 1: think if you want to say he's not a top

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Speaker 1: half quarterback in the league anymore, I think that's a

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Speaker 1: fair statement. Is he a guy that's gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to top two thirds quarterback? I mean, come on, guys, listen.

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably around, honestly, Jordan's Honestly, I think

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Speaker 1: if I think, if you go through it, I think

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Speaker 1: you somewhere in that range. Okay, and that's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's not good

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Speaker 1: enough to win games. And you guys got to realize

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Speaker 1: the reason why we keep calling talking about the offense

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Speaker 1: is because you guys have been quoted is this is

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I know, last week we

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Speaker 1: got gas. The defense got gas last week. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Carolina Panther has put up thirty points also, But

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Speaker 1: up until then, up until then, I believe that that's

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Speaker 1: a result of the defense being on the field, you know,

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Speaker 1: two thirds of a game. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Every week, weekend, week out, short week leading up to

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia game. You know, every every team, every team

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Speaker 1: has to take that. I get it, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I believe, and I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of fans believe that if the offense was moving the

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Speaker 1: ball better, putting drives together, scoring points, keeping the defense

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Speaker 1: off the field a little bit more instead of the

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Speaker 1: constant three and ounce or the turnovers. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: I believe that the defense is good enough to win games.

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Speaker 1: You guys have said that question, but they definitely I

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Speaker 1: haven't said that. Don't put that on me. I've been

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Speaker 1: harping on this defense all year and right now, right now, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: the Giants time of possession is minutes and fifty three.

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Speaker 1: They're about even, So it's pretty good, pretty good. You're right,

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Speaker 1: So they're about even, And I think the reason you

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Speaker 1: sends the defenses on the field too much, when's also

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Speaker 1: the defense forced the three out. You're right, I understand,

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Speaker 1: I trust me. I'm of the same frustration, man. I

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I try to coach from my living room

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't work. I don't know. I gotta figure

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Speaker 1: something out to Mike to where I can kind of

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Speaker 1: chime in on the sideline here. But you know, guys,

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Speaker 1: I think, listen, I think that last year, the way

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Speaker 1: that things went when Eli Manning was benched. And I

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Speaker 1: don't mean to bring up skeletons, I really don't, but

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Speaker 1: I think, Okay, you cannot both of you can't sit there. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: you played, okay, you played for the team. You cannot

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Speaker 1: tell me that that decision was not made without the

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Speaker 1: sign off of the tissues and the merit, of course

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Speaker 1: was not. I mean the execution of it, the communication

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Speaker 1: of it, the way it went down, the way McAdoo

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Speaker 1: handled it. May have been badly, but they were all

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Speaker 1: the belief last year that, Okay, Eli Manning is not

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Speaker 1: the answer. Let's start looking at what we have. I

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Speaker 1: think it was wrong to put Genial and we should

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Speaker 1: have put Davis Webbing. We've drafted horribly. You guys, Davis

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Speaker 1: Webb was a third round draft pick last year, and

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Speaker 1: now he's he's not even all he's gonna practice squad

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Speaker 1: to the Jets. Well or I think it was a

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Speaker 1: top ten pick from I think there is a difference

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Speaker 1: last year. I'm not sure they said, we know Manning

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Speaker 1: is not our guy, Let's see what we have. I

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Speaker 1: do think they say, we don't know how much longer

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Speaker 1: Eli is going to be here because he's older. Let's

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Speaker 1: see what we have plan. I think those are two separates.

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Speaker 1: I just think that guys, and and another thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta stick up for for the rest of the fans.

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Speaker 1: You know the reason why they're saying, listen, you guys

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Speaker 1: can't sit there with a straight face and tell me

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Speaker 1: that you a Manning and run an RPO. You're crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He can he can run it. He can

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Speaker 1: run three or four a game. Absolutely, why not? What's wrongways? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can run three or four a game. But if

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00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: you can't, if the offense isn't on the field, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting drives together like we're predictable, you know,

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Speaker 1: Manning on pickers having one of the statistically best years

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Speaker 1: had he had a complete your percentage before the equals

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Speaker 1: game of But Jordan, Jordan's Jordan, why can't he, like

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Speaker 1: Manning run r p os. RPOs have nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with the quarterback running the football has zero It doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be mobile. It has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: the quarterback being mobile. RPOs those are read options. That's different.

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Speaker 1: And RPO is a quarterback. So what is that? But John,

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Speaker 1: if the defense knows that there's no way in hell

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Speaker 1: that the quarterback is gonna actually keep like you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The whole purpose of his r p

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Speaker 1: O it's a read like you said, it's a re option.

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Speaker 1: No it's not. No, no, he's not no, no, it's

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Speaker 1: not if you have a quarterback that's not a threat

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Speaker 1: with his legs the Jordan's. You don't know what an

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00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: r p O is then, And r p O is

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Speaker 1: a quarterback deciding whether or not to hand the ball

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Speaker 1: off to his running back or throw a pass. It

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the quarterback act running the ball,

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Speaker 1: not the read options. Thank you for playing this for me.

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Speaker 1: I get it, thank you. I apologize. That's okay, that uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, misunderstood. That's okay with the with the intricacies

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Speaker 1: of it. But nonetheless, you know, if you have a

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Speaker 1: mobile quarterback, is an r p O not more of

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Speaker 1: a threat. You know, it is more. It is more

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Speaker 1: of a kind of account for that. It becomes more,

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Speaker 1: it becomes more of a threat because if you do

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Speaker 1: have a quarterback that can run, then the r PO

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00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: can be a little bit more I would say powerful,

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Speaker 1: because if you can't doesn't pass, then you can throw. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and that's what and that's the word I'm you're looking for, effective, powerful, effective.

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Speaker 1: The RPO is not effective with Eli Manning because he

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Speaker 1: is not what I'm saying. Well, Jordan, we gotta run

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Speaker 1: man Thanks for the called bull Schwartz is coming on.

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Speaker 1: I want to say, I want to say a few things.

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Speaker 1: I feel like people seem to be sensing that we're

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Speaker 1: trying to sweep things under the rug here and that's

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Speaker 1: not what we're trying to do. Okay, right now, the

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Speaker 1: New York Football Giants ravaging nineteen and a half point

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Speaker 1: per game last year, that is not enough. We talked

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Speaker 1: before there. They have to be up around twenty four.

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Speaker 1: If you want to win football games in this league,

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Speaker 1: you have to be you have to be and that's

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Speaker 1: on Eli manning shoulders. Partially, he's the quarterback. He has

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Speaker 1: the ball that sounds on every play. He's part of

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00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: the piece, part of this. Everybody's part of this. The

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00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: offensive line is part of this too. Um. I remember,

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Speaker 1: I'm the guy that was sitting here that was advocating

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Speaker 1: for the Chilenges jift the quarterback next year last year,

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00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: so you know where I'm coming from with this and

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Speaker 1: going into the year. I don't think anyone was under

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Speaker 1: the impression, Jeff, that Eli was, you know, a top

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Speaker 1: five six quarterback that was gonna put a whole team

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Speaker 1: on his shoulders. What do we say you can win

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Speaker 1: with Eli Manning if the circumstances around him are what

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Speaker 1: they need to be and they're not and right now

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00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: they're not, And so what are you getting getting the

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00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: play that you're seeing? Flat out? The only thing that

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Speaker 1: I can relate to this and it's on a very

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Speaker 1: very minimal scale, John, and I know that we got

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Speaker 1: Paul on the line, so you know, I'll come back

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Speaker 1: to that. I can tell you that there are a

602
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: few years when I was in Arizona and Seattle where

603
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: our punt team was horrible. The protection was crazy. I

604
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: was getting pressure the whole time. Okay, then we fixed it,

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00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: but there was still that little thing in my mind

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Speaker 1: that just kind of kept getting me, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't trust it. I don't trust it. And so

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00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: then you start thinking that you have to do everything

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Speaker 1: you have to make you know, I have to. All

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Speaker 1: I can tell you is I couldn't snap it and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't catch it and kick it. Just but but

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Speaker 1: you have to understand that when things start to to

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Speaker 1: get compromised, it doesn't it's hard to get out of

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Speaker 1: your mind. And then when you do have a clean pocket,

615
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you think, oh my god, here it comes again,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's it's difficult. It's very difficult. We know

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Speaker 1: how difficult to position this period, No matter if you're

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger or Eli Manning, it's a tough position to play.

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Speaker 1: He is Paul Schwartz. Paul, you got figles and milk.

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Speaker 1: How are you, buddy? Well, I think here, between the

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00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: three of us, we should be able to solve almost

626
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: all the Giants problems right together. That's why I have

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Speaker 1: you on the phone, my friend, because I'm at a

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Speaker 1: loss here. And let's start with the call that we

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Speaker 1: just had. And I don't think anybody is taking Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning out of the equation as to why the team

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Speaker 1: has struggled this year. He's the quarterback. He has the

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Speaker 1: ball in his hands and every play, he's a big

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Speaker 1: part of this. No one would debate that. Um, but

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Speaker 1: where do you stand right now in terms of where

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Speaker 1: Eli is, how he's played, and just kind of what's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen with him now throughout the year and in

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Speaker 1: the future. And I realized what a big loaded question

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Speaker 1: that is. Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, I mean,

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00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: it's the quarterbacks get too much credit. We know they

640
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: get too much blame. We know they get all the money, um,

641
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: right the old days they say they get all the girls,

642
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: they get the good cars, they get everything, right, you know,

643
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know this is that they get and

644
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: they get talked about the most. Um. You know, Eli

645
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: is not playing well and it's is it a symptom

646
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: or is it the problem? It's very difficult. There's no

647
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: question if you had a better offensive line, he would

648
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: be playing better and they probably would have another win

649
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: or two. Um that you know, being said, you know

650
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: he started seven. He's not as good right now as

651
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: he was when he was twenty seven. There's no doubt

652
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: about it. And you don't like the Jeff point you

653
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: made just before about you know, as a punter, when

654
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: things get in your head, it's easy to say get

655
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: it out of your head, but you can't. You can't

656
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: get it out of your head and say keep your

657
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: eyes down the field, don't worry about it, trust what's

658
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: going on around you. And this isn't just this year.

659
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: This has been year after year for you know, several

660
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: years with Eli and this offensive line, and so it

661
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: would be impossible to say, you like, you gotta get

662
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: it out of your head and you gotta just go

663
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: with the flow and stand in there. And I also

664
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: think when you get older, um, you know, the things

665
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: don't He's not slowing down for sae because he moves line.

666
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: But I just think he's less apt to stand in

667
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: there and take a big hit when he knows we

668
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: can take a check down. When he knows you can

669
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: throw the ball to see to somebody and start again.

670
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: So it's a big mess. Somebody asked me a day

671
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: where do you put percentage wise to blame here? I

672
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: would say the offensive line gets more of the blame

673
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: than Eli. But let's say said they have a chance

674
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: to replace Eli, they did replace the whole offensive line. So, uh,

675
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: it's very I know people are very want to say,

676
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: we'll just replace the quarterback. It's not that easy. Well,

677
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: the question that we're getting and John said, he we're

678
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: both to kind of how how do we fix this problem?

679
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: You know, I mean it's not easy, and so I

680
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: I there's I don't know if we have any answers,

681
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: But my my answer was stricly, you can't go out

682
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: and get five new offensive lineman. You just basically have

683
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: to get in the in the film room and get

684
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: on the field and they have to play better period

685
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: execution wise, and just stop the mental areas. Do you

686
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: have any other suggestions, Paul? Did they have to maybe

687
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: get on a hay ride now that's his fall and

688
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: rot and pick apples? Or's it? I don't know? Um, well,

689
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: I would not suggest a bye week um boat trip

690
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: in Miami. You know, the hay ride would be better

691
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: than the boat ride in Miami. I would think, you

692
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Let's look as we leave two

693
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: years ago, right, the Giants offense was was to destrin

694
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: the best and they want to leven games, right, Um,

695
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: a very good defense. You have to hand your hat

696
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: on something. Um And so I think this comes down

697
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: more to Charmer right now than than you know, quick fixes,

698
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: because look, we know the roster. You know you want

699
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: to put Brian Mahalak in for Cheer Wheeler. Fine, you

700
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: know fine, is that going to be a big fan

701
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: of Seer? Probably not. Um, you cannot change a lot

702
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: of players, you're right now, there's not a lot of guys.

703
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: You say, I want to get a look at this

704
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: guy right now. You know it's too early for Cobo.

705
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Let it talk. It just this so um so, So

706
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: it's up to Pat Shermer to really you know, they

707
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: had a little breaking out to figure out. Okay, I've

708
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: got to scrap a lot of what I've wanted with

709
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: this offense. I'm sorry, I can't do it. You know

710
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: what I had with the Vikings, I don't have here.

711
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: I have to scrap it. I'd have to figure out

712
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: a way to win ugly. I hope I can rely

713
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: on my defense a little more. This is not the

714
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: defense from two years ago. It's a mediocre defense. I'm

715
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: writing to that theme a little bit in the post

716
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: for tomorrow. Uh. You know, it's a mediocre defense. And

717
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: with a really good offense, they could they could be

718
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: a playoff contender. But it's not a really good offense.

719
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: So he has to streamline things. You might have to

720
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: run the ball more. You might have to use two

721
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: tight ends lure, he might have to use Spencer Pulley

722
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: more as a you know, tackle eligible and say, you

723
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna We're gonna hold this thing in

724
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: and protect our quarterback and you know what, when we

725
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: can take shots, which O'Dell will have to do that.

726
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: They have a great running back, a great Roobe running back,

727
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: which they didn't have two years ago, and they have O'Dell. Um.

728
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: You know, Ben mcindow was able to sometimes find ways

729
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: that then O'Dell open on this slant and he could

730
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: take it sixty yards. That's what this offense has to

731
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: be right now, because the way it's operating our and

732
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: now is not working. They have to, I think Tony

733
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: in everything to protect the quarterback as best they can

734
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: and try to use their great kie running back more. Yeah,

735
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: and Paul, it's funny you mentioned the rookie running back.

736
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,479
Speaker 1: The Giants averaging four point six yards per carry. That's

737
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: I think tied for seventh in the league, best yet

738
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: yards per game from a running perspective. Um, there part

739
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: of me in the league about eighty seven and a

740
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: half yards, and those numbers have been skewed by some

741
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: big runs. And I think the problem they've run into,

742
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: and I'd love to get your take on it, is

743
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: that when they try to dedicate themselves to the run,

744
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: they start getting into so many second and nine and

745
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: third and eights because they have so many runs for

746
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: negative one or one or zero or two that you

747
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: don't get into good third downs. But the overall numbers

748
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: are getting excused by the few big ones that Barkley

749
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: is really bursting. So when you look at it, you

750
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: talk about how Eli is affected by the offensive line,

751
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: I think the Giants running game is just as effect

752
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: did where if Barkley has one of these big runs

753
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: is because he's a human freak show, and he's making

754
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: eight guys miss, but there are far too when he

755
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: runs going for one or fewer yards here, that ultimately

756
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: puts the team in third down in the distance that

757
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: they can't handle. Right now, you're right in some respects

758
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: as far as it's easier to say they have to

759
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: run the ball right, fans only say they have Barkley.

760
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: Let's run the ball right. And then you run the

761
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: ball and at second and nine you run it again.

762
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: Then it's third and seven and you say you gotta

763
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: throw the ball now. Now you're to predict the boat

764
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: down in distance, right. And you know, a corollary to

765
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: that is that Eli Manning is the highest rated passer

766
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL on third down. And we all know

767
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: why that is not because he's producing first downs, because

768
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: it's a lot of third and tens and third and twelves.

769
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: And he throws a pass for eight yards and the

770
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: punch team comes on and Eli, you know, his percentages

771
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: high there, so we know that he's also secure. That's

772
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: not good third down production. That's empty third down production.

773
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It is an interesting, guys, that's that

774
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: as bad as this offense is, you would say you know,

775
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: you would think it's natural to say, well, the first

776
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: round tick is a mistake of bust. Now, nobody thinks

777
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: that Quan is not a great player. Nobody, you know,

778
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: and nothing he's shown in these six games makes you

779
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: think he will not be the best running back in football.

780
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: But because their offense is so bad, the question is, well,

781
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: should they have taken him not? Is he not a

782
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: great player? So it is a really really rare discussion.

783
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: It's not it's not you know what, this guy is

784
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: not what we thought. It's no, he's exactly what we thought,

785
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: but nothing around him is working and maybe we should

786
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: have gone a different direction. That that is a really

787
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: interesting debate. It is in hindsight. And the thing about

788
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: those numbers, if you take those runs away from those numbers,

789
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: the Giants go from what seventh to what they've got

790
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: to probably go to the bottom in terms of yards

791
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: per care. Absolutely well, just think about it did two

792
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: weeks ago against Carolina Jeff the Giants had uh se

793
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Quon Barky at fifteen rushes for forty eight yards in

794
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: the game. Right in the first half he had to

795
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: run for twenty yards and second half you to run

796
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: for thirty yards. So these other thirteen carries went from

797
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: minus two yards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like the

798
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: first look, look, I understand you're asking. If you ask me,

799
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: what does this offense do better, run block or pass block?

800
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: I will say pass block, um, which is telling you well,

801
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: but but which is telling right? And and and this

802
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: was supposed to be You know that they drafted Will Hernandez,

803
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: who was a road grader. Um. You know. You know

804
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: they had Erickson I was the start a year who

805
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: was not a road grader certainly, and he is, you know,

806
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: coming gone as we know now, is playing for a

807
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: different team. Nate Shoulder was primarily a pass blocker, you know,

808
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: he the next was a reputed to be an excellent

809
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: pass blocker, more so than a run blocker, but good

810
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: in both. Um. You know they're they're on their second

811
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: center and apocause of injury. So this is not a

812
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: road grader offensive line. I get that, But you have

813
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: to do something and running is you know, as Pat

814
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Strummer has said about a running back, it's the easiest

815
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: guy to get the ball. You just have to turn

816
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: around and give it. They have to figure ways to

817
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: give him the ball and get three or four yards

818
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: he has to help with that, say Kant, certainly taking

819
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: what he's given them. And I think maybe in these

820
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: days Shermer and and and Mike Shamilla how to sit

821
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: down and say Kwan and say, look, I love the

822
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: big runs, but you know what, we have to change

823
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: our offense now, and we want you to take every

824
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: three and four yard runs you can get, not bounce

825
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: it outside, take the small game, and we're gonna try

826
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: and just wear you to the ground doing that. You know,

827
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: and if they can, you know, that's not his instinct.

828
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: If they can do that, look, something has to change,

829
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: right And I'm saying not saying it's going to be

830
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: a change, it's going to be pleasing on the eyes.

831
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: But what we've seen now was certainly ugly. Paul, You've

832
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: been around the Giants for a long time. You've seen

833
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: the good, the bad, the ugly. You saw the really

834
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: ugly last year when a team started off the way

835
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: that they did and they waited they finished. Um. You know,

836
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: I've been around a lot of locker rooms and been

837
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: on good teams and bad teams. What what's important right

838
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: now at this juncture for this tam to stay together?

839
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: You know what you know what I'm going here. I mean,

840
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: this is a in my mind, this is a very

841
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: very tricky area. When you're one in five, ten weeks

842
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: left in the season, you know, where does this team go?

843
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: It's it can and I think that it was it

844
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: was safeguarded by a lot of the leadership that was

845
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: brought in here at the beginning of the year to

846
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: safeguard of something like this was gonna happen. What do

847
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: you think, well, yes, it's it's a very pertinent question.

848
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: Now the thing is went the leadership. The leadership is

849
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: very new, right, and so you know, I think it's

850
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: hard for Alec Nate Solder, Um, you know, it's hard

851
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: for these guys who were just brought in, uh you know,

852
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: Kareem Martin, you know, high character guys, Alec Ogleson to say, okay,

853
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: this is the voice of the Giants. Now they barely

854
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: got and since they made they won one game. The

855
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: one thing is, but let's not forget the defense here.

856
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: Cannot stand around and look in the mirror and say, yeah,

857
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: we're doing a great job. This is not this is

858
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: not this is not a incredibly balanced one way or

859
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: the other. The first two games, the defense deserve better.

860
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: And if you told me, what if that their defense

861
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: deserved to be now, I would say at least one

862
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: more win, maybe two, but definitely one. So you know,

863
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: the defense has given up a lot of running y yards,

864
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, very very you know, not not a good

865
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: thing for any run defense. So, um, you know. The

866
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: smartest fraction I saw in the locker room, Um there

867
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: the day after this last loss, um, you know, which

868
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: was a terrible loss, and he goes, you know, the

869
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: guys knew day were going to come in the next day,

870
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: then get a few days off. I saw a little

871
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: of resignation. You know, I really did you know the

872
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: game before, don't forget that's from the fight about it.

873
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: They were, they were defined their officials. We got screwed,

874
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: we got robbed. You know, it was it was a

875
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: close game, and they lost on on a you know,

876
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: sixty three yard field goal. So they could they could

877
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: file that is a game that they had played better

878
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: and deserved to win. And they did this game they

879
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: knew they did not deserve to win. And I saw

880
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: a little bit of resignation. I heard it, a little

881
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: bit of well, we just have to come back, and

882
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, there was not a lot of um, what

883
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: I expect there to be a lot of fight. No, So, yes,

884
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: this will be a very difficult week I think for

885
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: Pat Sherman, for everybody, Um, they're all there will be

886
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: a lot of difficult weeks. That that's that's And don't

887
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: forget last year there was a certain finality as a

888
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: team was going down to tubes that things are going

889
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: to change with the front office, with the general manager

890
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: and the coach. And uh they did that already. So

891
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be a lot or any of that

892
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: this year. So it's gonna be. It's gonna be you know,

893
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: I think that Rhim at some point he's gonna tell

894
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: these players, but you want to care next year and

895
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: you've got to show up in these last ten games,

896
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: and you know that's gonna be a strong message, I think, yeah,

897
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: and it should be. Yeah, absolutely important. And you kind

898
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: of went in the direction I was gonna go with

899
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: your point about the defense. Uh, no, one should be

900
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: happier than the twenty five six guys on defense and

901
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: all the attention being paid to the offensive line, Elie Manning,

902
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: Otell Beckham Jr. Say Kwon Barkley, because the defense for

903
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: three straight games. Has given up thirty plus points UM

904
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: in six games this year. They have seven acts in

905
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: six games this year. They have five takeaways. It's hard

906
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: to win games when you look at those numbers. You know,

907
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: there's no question if you think of it. You look

908
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: at the moves that were made, and they have not worked.

909
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean there's no You know, they traded Jason Pierre

910
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: poul right, and I don't think everyone was up in

911
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: arms about that. But you know, he has, you know more,

912
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: he has, He has almost half the sacks of Giants

913
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: have by themselves. Now, I'm not saying trading Jason Pierre

914
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: was a pr pole was a bad move. But they

915
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: don't have anybody to rush the past. I understand Olivia

916
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: Burnon was out the first five games. That was an

917
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: area of concern before Burnon got hurt, it was, you know,

918
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: a major weakness reporting Connor Barwin to to to rush

919
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: the pastor in certain situations that has not worked out. Um.

920
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: You know, Jonathan Stewart was brought into to get tough

921
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: fial rights and a mentor that did not work out. Um.

922
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, our Cocle Tree was brought in to lead

923
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: the defense and stopped to run. Uh, you know they

924
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: don't stop the run. Lell So that has not worked out.

925
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: You know, nothing has worked out. Um, so so you know,

926
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean they took some calculator risk, they Solder is.

927
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what you guys think. I

928
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: think he's playing at a certain level, not a great level,

929
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: you know, not fitting what he's getting paid. He's not

930
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: the biggest part of their problem, certainly, but uh, you

931
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: know a lot of people said when they drafted him,

932
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry when they when they signed him. He is

933
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: a good player who's paying getting paid great money, and

934
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: that is not always a good mix. It's never a

935
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: good mix. So these moves have not made. H that

936
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: they've made have not worked. So it is um you know,

937
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: it's all come together and you know they haven't been

938
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: ravaged by injuries. They've been hurt by some injuries, they've

939
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: not been ravaged by injuries. And you know they produced

940
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: one win. So you know, there, you say, who takes

941
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: to blame? You know, I think you know almost everybody

942
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: can raise your hand. Paul. Good stuff. We'll see tomorrow

943
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: when the players come back after a little three day weekend,

944
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: and we'll try to figure out where to go from here,

945
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: and maybe this team can figure out a way to

946
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: win a game on the road in Atlanta, which I

947
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: would imagine if the Giants are gonna win, is probably

948
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a high flying affair. Yeah, appreciate it. Paul. Okay, Paul,

949
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: good stuff. That's Paul Schwartzen in New York. Post does

950
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: a wonderful job. We'll take your calls the rest of

951
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: the way at two and one nine nine, four, five

952
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: one three, And I think Paul kind of mimic what

953
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: Jeff and I have said. There's no easy answers. He

954
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: are moving forward. There's no flip of the switch. One

955
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: move you can make that is going to solve all

956
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: your problems. Ready for coach Marvin, he's in Delaware. Hey, coach,

957
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: how you doing? John and Jack doing great? Coach. I

958
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: just want to let you guys know that you you

959
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: kiss Paul, John doing, Chef. I've given out excellent information today.

960
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: Thank you Inside to the game to what's going on

961
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: with the team. You're right, well, um my thing, get

962
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: uh what I'm talking about it? People was talking about

963
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: leadership a lot of times. I'm looking at they're talking

964
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: about the Giants like crazy on ESPN and all these

965
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: networks talking about leads. Uh. I just want to I

966
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: want to say that I feel we do have the leadership.

967
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: I think he needs to come from Barkley. People always

968
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,959
Speaker 1: talking about how young he is, he's his first year,

969
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: he's this, he's that. The guy is a true leader,

970
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: and I believe that he's one that could get Odell

971
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: them coming together a lot more. Coach, I gotta be

972
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: honest with you. I think I think if Sakon Barkley

973
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: walks up to Odell Beckham Jr. It starts trying to

974
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: tell him how to act. I don't know. I don't

975
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: know how well that goes over. And Jeff, you would

976
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: be a better guy to answer that question with me.

977
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: They did that last weekend. I don't know if y'all well, yeah,

978
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: they showed it on TV. They showed it on TV

979
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: and it was yeah that in the moment, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

980
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not saying that he's controlled him.

981
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that in the sense I think the

982
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: tantrum things on my teams, I don't mind playing is

983
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: getting upset, but tantrums to me comes from immaturity and

984
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: you have to control that because once I see another

985
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: team and their players are showing a tantrum, I always

986
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: used to tell my kids, he's not waring my jersey.

987
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: He's on their team, win my jersey. And that's the

988
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: danger when you start acting that way. But hopefully they

989
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: can grow from it and learn from it. That's what

990
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm holding Well, you being a you, being a coach, coach,

991
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: you understand the importance of guys getting better every single day,

992
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: and it comes from on the field and off the field,

993
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: and meaning in the in the in the film room

994
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: and things like that. And John and I are lost.

995
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: We we don't know what else can happen. And I

996
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: think that Paul Schwartz did a nice job in analyzing

997
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: that it has to come from coach Shermer and design

998
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: maybe some different plays and taking some of the playbook

999
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: away that he can't he thought he would be able

1000
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: to run. But you know, really, when it comes down

1001
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: to these guys, they just have to they have to

1002
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: execute and play better. That's really I mean, it's the

1003
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: bottom line, isn't it. I agree with that one of

1004
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: you made the statement earlier. I don't know which one.

1005
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: I forgot which one it was, but the statement. I

1006
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: always used to say the same thing you guys said earlier.

1007
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: There are individual battles going on within a game. We

1008
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: have to win it your individual battle. But the only

1009
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: thing we want to do, and my thing with my

1010
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: I always wanted to do is when we go into

1011
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: a game, yeah I want to win, but I try

1012
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: to teach them. You know, you hit the model winning

1013
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: there's everything and sometimes there's something with that that comes

1014
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: when you don't win. So I always changed it to

1015
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: winning is not everything. Wanting to win is. So that

1016
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: means to me is competing. We want to compete. If

1017
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: you compete, then it's my job as the coach to

1018
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: come up with those plays to make the decision in

1019
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: that game to help you over the top if you

1020
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: can't do it in your own competing And that's what

1021
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: we got to find out whether is it that we

1022
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: need to do to be a better team. But obviously

1023
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: the plays we're running, we don't have enough time to run.

1024
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: So what can we do with the time we have

1025
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: for Elie two? What kind of place can we run

1026
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: out of that? And I think that's what they need

1027
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, the Giants are uh pretty much

1028
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: like their motto we always say um um, always a Giant,

1029
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: and that might be downfall because we hold players so long.

1030
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: And we remember right now we are about out of

1031
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: this decade. For the last four decades, the Giants had

1032
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: won a championship. They're the only team in the NFL

1033
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: that has won a championship in the last four decades.

1034
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: And we win them once a decade. And maybe that's

1035
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: the way we grow. We get older and then we're

1036
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: then we play well, and then we're drafting at the

1037
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: bottom of the draft, so we don't get good players.

1038
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: Now we're in the rebuilding stage, believe it or not.

1039
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: We gotta build into that draft next next two years

1040
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: of another decade. And that's what I'm looking for for

1041
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: the championships that hopefully they get one in the next

1042
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: couple of years, but we're not going to get one

1043
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: of the thank you good good stuff appreciative and you do,

1044
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: and and the individual battles will all come down to

1045
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, just like he said, winning may not be everything,

1046
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: but wanting to win is everything. You gotta want to

1047
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: win your one on one matchups, you gotta want to win.

1048
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: You're the game. I mean, you want to win off

1049
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: the field too. By the way, a lot of what

1050
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: the players do in the National Football League isn't just

1051
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: on Sundays. It's it's what they're doing in the film room,

1052
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: what they're doing outside of the organization. Are they doing

1053
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: the right things at home? Are they studying at home?

1054
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: Are they doing homework? And you know, when everybody's on

1055
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: the same page like that, things happen. I mean, and

1056
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: I just go back to I look at that offensive

1057
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: line and oh seven when I was on the team,

1058
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: those guys were so you know, they just did everything together.

1059
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: They just I mean, and I'm not saying that these

1060
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: guys don't, but the bottom line is that they have

1061
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: to just kind of get on the same page and

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00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: play better. You know, just get out there and do it.

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00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: And it's easier said than done. Guys, we've got five minutes.

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00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: We have opened phone lines. If you want to sneak in,

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00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: give us a call at tree four, five, one, three.

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00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: Want to squeeze in a fall two before the end

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00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: of the show, Yeah, I'll think. I look at Twitter

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00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: right now. Actually, um, piece of news with the Giants

1069
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: next week. Calvin Ridley, who wide receivers the theft of

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00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: the Falcons, had an m r I. He appears to

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Speaker 1: have avoided major injury. According to Ian Rappaport of NFL

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Speaker 1: not Com in NFL Network, UM, the mr I came

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00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: back pretty clean and the injury will require just rehab

1074
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: and monitoring. Um. He didn't leave the game though, so

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00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: I still think one day night is probably is a

1076
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: long shot for him, which would be good news for

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00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: the Giants. And Mohamed Sunu also got hurt in that

1078
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: game too, so that Falcons wide receiver corps could be

1079
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: a little sparse in that game. Go on four five, one,

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Speaker 1: three one reminds you big, we could go off Live

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Speaker 1: app to an amazing Giants prizes throughout this season. Let's

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00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: go back to the phone lines. We've got to squeeze

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00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: in a call or two before we say goodbye. Let's

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00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: go to Scott in New Mexico. He's up next, Scott.

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00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: What going on? Hi? Hi, guys, very informative show today.

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00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: But I have a question, and maybe it hasn't been

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00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: addressed yet. I think both of you know the definition

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00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: of insanity, which is doing the same thing game after

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00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: game and expecting different results. But I don't think they

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00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: have Scott. I don't think they have them the same

1092
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: thing game after game. Where do you think you've done

1093
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: the same thing? Well, I think it's in the play calling.

1094
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: The Giants rank I think in the bottom five of

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00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: plays over twenty yards passing wise. I would think that,

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00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, after the first two or three games. And

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00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: I think somebody made this point. I think was Bob

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00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: Papa as a matter of fact. Uh, he said that

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00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: Julio Jones and people are like Antonio Brown. They can

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00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: get themselves open with double coverage and so forth. So

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00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: isn't it And I'm just a singularly making this point.

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00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: Can't the Giants devised a scheme to get say, either

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00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham or even Sterlin Sheppon open on more than

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00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: twenty yard pass play? And isn't it more about uh

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00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: putting this sort of at the fleet of Pat Shermer

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00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, let's devise some schemes that are going

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00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: to work. You already have one of the best backs

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00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: in football. Uh. Maybe, And I think he's ever. I

1109
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: don't know what he's averaging in touches, maybe Russian touches.

1110
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking about total touches maybe fifteen or sixteen a

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00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: game right right now, just just the heads up, Scott,

1112
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: just so you know, the Giants are right now fifteen

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00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: in the league and pass plays over twenty yards right

1114
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: in the middle of the league. Okay, so that that

1115
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: that that's not bad, would agree, But is there a

1116
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: way when you have this dynamic offense, or at least

1117
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: on paper of this dynamic and offense, are there different

1118
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: schemes and things that you can do? Because this isn't

1119
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: this really about chemistry between the players and the coaches

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00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: more so than execution. This is all about five guys

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00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: that that there on the front of the offense. This

1122
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: is all it's all about. It's all about the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about throwing the ball down the

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00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: field and getting guys open. There's guys running open or

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00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: down the field. But Eli just hasn't been able to

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00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: throw the ball to him. I mean, he looked at

1127
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: the game last week. He got sacked four times, it

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00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: hit like fift. I mean, I don't know what quarterback

1129
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: is gonna throw the ball down the field doing that, right,

1130
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: I know he's been sacked about twenty times. So what

1131
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: can Pat Turmer do? If anything, you're talking about improving

1132
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: the offensive line with the players that you currently have

1133
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: to salvage the rest of the season, do you change

1134
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: techniques of how they're blocked by the way just something

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00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: else that you have just to deal with. And Jeff,

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00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: you're about to say max protect. I watched three or

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00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: four players and the max protected. Last week, they still

1138
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: didn't protect. They were plays where they had seven guys

1139
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: blocking four and Manning still got pressured. They were played.

1140
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: There was a play action pass got just just to

1141
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: give you an example. It's one play, but I but

1142
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a glimpse into the window of the

1143
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: issues Pat Churmer has. They've been a play action passed

1144
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: in the first half of that game last week. I

1145
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: know how my play I play in front of me um,

1146
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: but they ran two double moves on the outside, Odell

1147
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: Beckham Junior on one side, Cody Laddimer on the other.

1148
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: It was a play action passes se Kwon Barkley Odell

1149
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Was wide open. And if it wasn't for

1150
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: the fact that three different offensive linemen all on the

1151
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: same play got beat and flushed Eli Manning out of

1152
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 1: the pocket, it would have been a seventy yard touchdown

1153
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: catch for Odell Beckham Jr. But Eli Manning had to

1154
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: run for his life, so he couldn't throw the ball. Now,

1155
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: could a guy like a freak show like Russell Wilson

1156
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: maybe scrambled out of there and made the throw. Maybe,

1157
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: But I think it would have been a miracle. And

1158
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: that's the type of issues you're having. I've seen the

1159
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: max protect. They literally have not blocked four rushers with

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00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: seven linemen or or five lineman, a two tight ends

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00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: or five lineman, a tighten end, a running back and

1162
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Speaker 1: Scott thanks for the call. And it's just very, very

1163
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: hard to operate. They've tried different things. Folks do know

1164
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: how much play action they ran against Philly. It didn't

1165
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: keep the pass rush off Eli. Mass protection didn't keep

1166
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: the pass rush over Eli. It just didn't. Nope, they

1167
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: brought in Spencer Polly time No, no, Um, we're the fullback. No,

1168
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: it's it's hard, it's And so as far as design standpoint,

1169
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: you can't go into a game designing plays knowing that, Okay,

1170
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: our offensive line is it gonna play that good? What

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00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: do we do? Well, We're gonna have this play because

1172
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: if they if they screw up, we'll do do you

1173
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: have to a lot? Like what? Uh? You gotta take

1174
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: some of the playbook away and simplify the offense and

1175
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: play better and then you can build back up on it.

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00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: The Giants, as you all know that. I don't know

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00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: if you do know this, but for six quarters they

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00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: did not make a first down. They were over fifteen

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00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: from the from the They did not make a first

1180
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: down on third down in the Panthers game. In the

1181
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: first two quarters of the Philly game last week, they

1182
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: did not make a first down on third down either.

1183
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: Unbelievable for six periods that you can't the six quarters

1184
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: you can't make a first down, and a big reason

1185
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: by there, and you have an off side penalty. Now

1186
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: you're in first and fifteen. So these are just self

1187
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: inflicted wounds. In the negative plays, you can go and

1188
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: do a study all you want on them. The bottom

1189
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: line is that you take out the big place from

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Speaker 1: s Kwan. And this is just for discussionary purposes because

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00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: my wife used to always say, if you could just

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00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: take I used to say, well, you know, if you

1193
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: took that one touchback, but I'd have it at forty yard.

1194
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: Now you can't. Okay, but but for discussionary purposes, to

1195
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: identify the problem going a little bit further, is that

1196
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: the run game is nonexistent on first, second, and third

1197
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: down period. I want to squeeze on the last two cars.

1198
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: We have to go pretty quick here, Jamal in Dallas, Jamal,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? What's going on? Folcus going on? Doing great?

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00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling in. What's up? Alright? So real quick? Um,

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00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: Basically everybody's saying the same thing. But the most part,

1202
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, my thing comes down to, like you were saying,

1203
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: scale down the playbook, maybe it's too much going on

1204
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: for our young offensive line. Um, and and the have

1205
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: ELI probably thinking or probably trying to do too much

1206
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: to improvise for the lack of I guess you could

1207
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: say the time he has to be able to create

1208
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: a big play. Um. Um, I'm not you know, it's

1209
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: that blame game. I know everybody's playing to ELI is

1210
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: getting old or the line is young. Like y'all said,

1211
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: there's a number of fingers you can point around. I'm

1212
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: gonna go off of coaching. Um, I think I'm not

1213
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: blaming coaching. I just think the coaches have a large

1214
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: task with some of the with some of the um

1215
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: heightened you know, superstars on our team with Odell and

1216
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: you know Eli and the now take Kuan and stuff

1217
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: like that. So I think they got an uphill challenge

1218
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: trying to deal it with that and then trying to

1219
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: come up with with schemes and the game that's gonna

1220
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: be UM efficient for us to win. So I think

1221
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: that's what I think they got an issue with that.

1222
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: But the scaling of the Playbood, I think it's gonna

1223
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: have to be done against Atlanta, even though Atlanta, you

1224
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: know they're gonna come out the blazing because that's what

1225
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: they do. And my thing, my thing is this for

1226
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: the defense side. And maybe I'm just as a fan watching,

1227
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: but being a former player, I can just tell when

1228
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: the defense it's tired of just three and ounce again,

1229
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: three and ounce again, a turnover, a turnover, not so

1230
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: much they get tired, but they still I'm not gonna

1231
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: say they're giving up, but you can start telling they're not.

1232
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: They're not hustling to the ball like they would if

1233
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: they were in a more competitive game. Seven sacks in

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01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: six games, seven sacks seven. They have seven sacks in

1235
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: six games and five takeaways in six games. It's not

1236
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: enough exactly. So just that so like like last week,

1237
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: I understand the guy put his hamstring on the on

1238
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: the kickoff return or on the plump return. But the

1239
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: little hustle players that happened against the Staints. Like little

1240
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: hustle plays, that's how you get those extra plays, That's

1241
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: how you get those turnovers. Flying around the ball, swarming

1242
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: to the ball, everybody getting into the ball, and when

1243
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 1: the ball pops out, you have more more judges over there,

1244
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to get in the ball, Gonna

1245
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: pull the one or two people there, same thing on

1246
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: the one thou last week's same deal exactly. So I

1247
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: just think, I just think the defense is getting tired

1248
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: of whatever is going on offen the side of the ball,

1249
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: even the Eagle game. Once that happened in the Eagles games,

1250
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: you could tell the defense against the Eagles, you can

1251
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: tell the Giants. People would like, here we go again.

1252
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: Well you know what, Jamal, Jamal, you know, thanks for

1253
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: the call. We appreciate it. And I hope to goodness

1254
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: that's not true, because if that's true, every person in

1255
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: that defense should be let go tomorrow. No, seriously, if

1256
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: that's true, and these guys are like, oh forget if

1257
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: the offense good scoring and what's the point of trying.

1258
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: They should all be cut tomorrow. And I don't think

1259
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. That's not what is it? A little discouraging, Yeah,

1260
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: because you know, your body is your body. I mean,

1261
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: you're tired. You can only do so much. The kind

1262
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: of possessions exactly. I mean it's it's it's kind of

1263
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: like the Giants outgained the Eagles last week. It was

1264
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: it was lack of red zone scoring, not time of possession. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just how and how things happened too quickly, you know,

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Speaker 1: like a two three and ounce or three three and

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Speaker 1: ounce in a row. The defense is on the field,

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Speaker 1: boom boom, boom boom. You know, if there were time,

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01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: it irons itself out as far as time of possession.

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Speaker 1: But you know that's not an excuse. You're right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't don't absolve the defensive blame here, folks. It's not fair.

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Speaker 1: Chris and Alamochi, Chris, you got thirty seconds and we

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Speaker 1: got a role. Oh, Chris, all right, we'll do John,

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01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: John and Jeff uh Yeah, you know, lack of depth

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Speaker 1: with the Giants on defense, especially like you said, no

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01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: pass rushing missing that missing a really good nickel and

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Speaker 1: uh also you know the other safety position, but moving

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Speaker 1: to the offense as well. I mean, listen, you can't

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01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: keep everybody, but when you lose a Richberg in a

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01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: pew who may have not been all pros and then

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Speaker 1: you replaced them with Hey, listen, Greco's doing doing a

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01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: decent job, but he's you know, primarily would be a

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01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: backup when you replace them with a Greco or in

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01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: a Hollopeo and then omah, I mean it takes the

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01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: hit on that side and then the factor in Wheeler

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01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: not playing very well either very well. So essentially next year,

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Speaker 1: I mean you're looking at three three new spots at center,

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Speaker 1: right guard, and right tackle. Thanks again, guys, I hope

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Speaker 1: you can make a comment. Thank you, Chris. I would

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Speaker 1: bet oh Mommy will be back again next year, um,

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: just based on the way the contract is structured. Comment.

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: I know he hasn't played well this year. He played

1293
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: a lot better in Jacksonville last year when I watched

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01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: him on tape. I'm surprised he's had as many struggles

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01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: as he has when they really didn't get to see

1296
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: Hillapio because he actually played pretty well before he got hurt.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was only a small sample. But you know,

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Speaker 1: and guys, I know it's frustrating you and Jeff and

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01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: I have kept keep saying no, no, no to you

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01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: on all your suggestions. The sad thing is, I don't

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01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: know if there is a magic wand personnel change or

1302
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: scheme change that you can make at this point of

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01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: the season that's gonna make your problems go away. It

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01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: goes back to what Jeff said at the start of

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01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: the show, and he was absolutely right. The players have

1306
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: to play better. If the players don't play better, that

1307
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: can be taken care of after the season's over. But

1308
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: right now, you win games by the players playing better.

1309
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: And that's the only way it's gonna happen. It's boring,

1310
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 1: it sucks for you, guys, I can get it. But

1311
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: that's really is yes, And we can keep going back

1312
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: and where we shouldn't have brought this guy in there.

1313
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: We should We're not at that juncture now we are.

1314
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: We are where we are. We got the fifty three

1315
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: guys that have to play, and I will tell you that,

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01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the coaches have to coach better. The

1317
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: players have to play better. The coaches can only do

1318
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: so much, folks. They can only give you the game plan,

1319
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: and you have to trust it. It's gonna be good

1320
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: and execute it. Okay, if the coach comes back, and

1321
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: when you won the game, and the coaches, by the way,

1322
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: we won the football game, and those players they did

1323
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: an amazing job because our game plan really sucked. I'd

1324
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: like to see that one day. That's not gonna happen. Okay,

1325
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: but we're at the point now where you if I

1326
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: get the game plan and I'm supposed to do this

1327
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: and I don't do this, that's a mental air. That's

1328
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: a check. Okay. You cannot have those and you gotta

1329
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: play better. And when you one in five, no one

1330
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: escapes blame. No one escaped. Isn't one finger here that

1331
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's an organization, all right, from ownership

1332
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: to front office, two coaches, two players, to everybody in

1333
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: the building. All right, this numbers on everybody, and it's

1334
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: dissected like I mean, when you're five and one, things

1335
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: don't have especially me and Feagles. It's all our fault,

1336
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: no question, there's no question. And I know people want

1337
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: to have. You know, everyone wants that magic shot that says,

1338
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: oh fixed, and the whole quarterback fixed, new right cut,

1339
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers fixed, you know, do this fixed? No, God,

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01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's just not that easy. But what we

1341
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: would like to see is a little bit of consistency

1342
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: in fixing it. Get a little bit better, a little

1343
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: bit better, a little bit better. If you come out

1344
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: of this Atlantic game coming up and you happen to

1345
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: lose the game, maybe you hope you'll lose the game

1346
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: thirty eight to thirty three, and you have a little

1347
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: bit of upside to it. And games like they had

1348
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: against Dallas where they really got dominated from the start

1349
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: of the game can't happen. Games like they had against

1350
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: Philly where they got dominated from basically the first quarter

1351
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: on with with with the red zone issues, that can't happen.

1352
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: Um the other games though they're in it. Yeah, the

1353
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: first game of the season by Maxonville kind of it.

1354
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, and listen, they showed some great hard

1355
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: against the Panthers. They were in the Panthers game. Okay,

1356
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: that's unfortunate because this team should be two and three

1357
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: at this point. Excuse me too, and whatever, But yeah,

1358
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: two and four, but again, the record is what it is.

1359
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: The team is not played well enough to win games,

1360
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: bottom line, and it's not on one person, that's on everybody.

1361
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: And that's how they got a long week to prepare

1362
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: here Monday night game. Get an extra day for the

1363
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: guy that the team isn't that banged up, but it

1364
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: also helps. It doesn't matter if you're if you're hurt

1365
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: or not, but that one extra day helps the body.

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01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: Trust me, everyone needs to play better. And they have

1367
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: four extra days now because they played on Thursdays. A

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Speaker 1: lot of extra time for Jeff figgles On, John schm

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, for Dave Dominic and excellent

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Speaker 1: job producing. We'll see you tomorrow on Big Well could

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Speaker 1: go off live at giants dot com back at one

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Speaker 1: thirty until then