Speaker 1: How do I know the difference between whether I have
Speaker 1: ADHD or I'm just distracted? Because we're living in an
Speaker 1: overwhelming time.
Speaker 2: Short attention span, distractability, disorganization, impulsivity, and hyperactivity. They can't
Speaker 2: sit still. Psychiatrist and clinical neuroscientist, doctor Daniel Amen.
Speaker 1: Fourth pioneered psychiatrist, says the feeling better starts with understanding
Speaker 1: your brain.
Speaker 2: And ninety percent of mothers work outside the house. When
Speaker 2: they have untreated add they often look depressed and they
Speaker 2: get on something like buxapro, which actually makes them more
Speaker 2: add happier, but more distracted, happier, less focused, happier, more impulsive.
Speaker 2: To eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, artificial dies and sweeteners,
Speaker 2: seventy percent of the kids lost their ADP.
Speaker 1: No way, someone's sitting here thinking I'm not gonna achieve
Speaker 1: anything with my life because I've got ADHD. What would
Speaker 1: you say to them?
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Speaker 1: Sheddy Sews only Jet. Hey, everyone, welcome back to on Purpose,
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Speaker 1: more healed. Today's guest is someone who has frequented the
Speaker 1: podcast more than any other guest, the most requested, the
Speaker 1: most often, and someone that I'm grateful to have known
Speaker 1: for the last few years and become friends with. He's
Speaker 1: the person that I reach out to when I have
Speaker 1: a question around something I'm unsure about, when I'm testing something,
Speaker 1: when I'm experimenting something. This is the person that I
Speaker 1: write to and say, Hey, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about none other than doctor Daniel Aman, physician,
Speaker 1: adult and child psychiatrist and founder of Aiman Clinics, which
Speaker 1: has eleven US locations and the world's largest database of
Speaker 1: brain scans for psychiatry with over two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand spec scans from one hundred and fifty five countries.
Speaker 1: Committed to revolutionizing brain health, Doctor Amen also founded brain MD,
Speaker 1: the Change Your Brain Foundation, and Aiman University, which has
Speaker 1: trained thousands of medical and mental health professionals. A leading
Speaker 1: expert in brain and mental health, Doctor Amen has millions
Speaker 1: of followers, produced seventeen national public television shows, garnered three
Speaker 1: hundred plus million video views, and hosts that Change Your
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Speaker 1: recommend it. He's a twelve time New York Times bestselling
Speaker 1: author and doctor Amen's highly anticipated new book, Change Your Brain,
Speaker 1: Change Your Pain, will be released in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Please welcome back to On Purpose one of our dearest
Speaker 1: friends of the show, doctor Daniel Aman Daniel. It's great
Speaker 1: to have you here. As always, I still remember all
Speaker 1: the years ago when I launched my podcast. You came
Speaker 1: on the first ever year. We used to record from
Speaker 1: my apartment in Hollywood, if you remember, and I'm just
Speaker 1: so grateful that you did such a consistent guest.
Speaker 2: I opened one of my books with an experience on
Speaker 2: the way to the podcast seeing a homeless person and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wonder what his brain looks like. I
Speaker 2: love you, thank you, I'm honored to be back. I
Speaker 2: always love our conversations.
Speaker 1: I want to start pretty direct. Why does it seem
Speaker 1: like everyone today has a DHD?
Speaker 2: A lot of people do, but our society is dramatically
Speaker 2: elevating it. When you think of the gadgets that steal
Speaker 2: our attention, the ultra process foods that our brain really
Speaker 2: doesn't like, the chronic stress, it's like, that's the simple answer,
Speaker 2: and the simple answer is, let me medicate you and
Speaker 2: you'll focus better, but not for long. And so as
Speaker 2: our society has taken more medication, we have not gotten healthier.
Speaker 2: So I think for people who really have ADD or ADHD,
Speaker 2: and I use those terms interchangeably because the way we
Speaker 2: diagnose people, it used to be ADD, and by a
Speaker 2: vote of people they changed it to ADHD, which I
Speaker 2: think was actually a big mistake. It's always been there, right.
Speaker 2: You can actually look in the Old Testament and you go,
Speaker 2: these people had add The real ADD is genetic. You
Speaker 2: get it from your mom or dad. You can see
Speaker 2: it in your people, you can see it in your ancestors,
Speaker 2: and left untreated, they're very serious problems. So if I
Speaker 2: think somebody really has ADD and that medicine would help them,
Speaker 2: they always go what are the side effects? Always tell
Speaker 2: them your appetitle be less. Take too late in the day,
Speaker 2: You may have trouble sleeping. Sometimes people get headaches or
Speaker 2: tummy aches, so it's almost always go away. If you're
Speaker 2: prone to tics, you may have more tics. But I
Speaker 2: want them to ask. The other question is what are
Speaker 2: the side effects of not taking appropriate treatment for ADD?
Speaker 2: And it's things like school failure and drug abuse and incarceration, divorce, bankruptcy.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy we're talking about it because this is
Speaker 2: a really serious issue because if you go to places
Speaker 2: like prison, there's a high percentage of people who have
Speaker 2: untreated ADD that did not have proper focus or impulse
Speaker 2: can So.
Speaker 1: Would you say that is ADHD being overdiagnosed.
Speaker 2: I think it's overdiagnosed and underdiagnosed or overdiagnosed overall, because
Speaker 2: people see this as this simple answer, underdiagnosed, especially in
Speaker 2: people who are not hyperactive or females, because we still
Speaker 2: have gender bias in this country. If you have a
Speaker 2: little boy and he's not doing well in school, you
Speaker 2: get really worried because you realize he's going to have
Speaker 2: to take care of her family someday. For a girl
Speaker 2: she's not doing as well well, you think maybe she's
Speaker 2: not that smart, and you hope she marries somebody nice,
Speaker 2: which is completely irrational given that we now have three
Speaker 2: generations of women who are in the workforce. Here in California,
Speaker 2: ninety percent of mothers work outside the house. And when
Speaker 2: they have untreated add they often look depressed and they
Speaker 2: get on something like lexapro on an SSRI, which actually
Speaker 2: makes them more add but now they don't care that
Speaker 2: they're more aded, because serotonin will talk about it. They
Speaker 2: counterbalance each other. So serotonin is the neurotransmitter happiness, of flexibility,
Speaker 2: Dopamine more than neurotransmitter focus motivation. Let's follow through and
Speaker 2: get this done. And when one goes up, so serotonin
Speaker 2: goes up, someone puts you on an SSRI, dopamine goes down,
Speaker 2: and so happier but more distracted, happier, less focused, happier,
Speaker 2: more impulsive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's what so many people are
Speaker 1: feeling today, where they naturally feel a sense of brain fog.
Speaker 1: They are overwhelmed with information. I was reading somewhere that
Speaker 1: we now consume seventy two gigabytes of information per day,
Speaker 1: which someone had translated to reading one hundred thousand words
Speaker 1: every single day, which when you think about that, that
Speaker 1: is so overwhelming. So how do I know the difference
Speaker 1: between whether I have ADHD or I'm just distracted? Because
Speaker 1: we're living in an overwhelming time.
Speaker 2: So you look for patterns of behavior over time. So
Speaker 2: the hallmark features of ADD or ADHD. The first one
Speaker 2: is short attention span. It's really hard to focus, but
Speaker 2: not for everything, and this is what fools people. It's
Speaker 2: short attention span for regular routine everyday things, school work, homework,
Speaker 2: paper work, chores, the things that make life work. And
Speaker 2: if you have a half an hour of homework, parents
Speaker 2: will often say it takes him or her two hours
Speaker 2: to do and I have to structure their time. That's
Speaker 2: very common. But for things that are new, novel, highly stimulating,
Speaker 2: or frightening, people with add can pay attention just fine
Speaker 2: because they have their own intrinsic dopamine. And what I
Speaker 2: find is love is a drug. Love is dopamine. So
Speaker 2: say you're getting all c's and d's except one A
Speaker 2: and the AA, whether it's in history or whatever, it's
Speaker 2: because you love the teacher or you love the subject.
Speaker 2: But it's not this one thing we should be looking at.
Speaker 2: It's the pattern of your attention span over time. The
Speaker 2: second is they're easily distracted. And what that means is
Speaker 2: they see too much, they hear too much, they taste
Speaker 2: too much, they smell too much, so they're constantly distracted
Speaker 2: by the world coming at them. The brain is really
Speaker 2: good at suppressing unnecessary noises or unnecessary thoughts. But when
Speaker 2: your prefrontal cortex, so we'll talk about that, the front
Speaker 2: part of your brain, the front third of your brain,
Speaker 2: largest in humans in any other animal by far. When
Speaker 2: it's sleepy, it can't sort of suppress the noise. I
Speaker 2: grew up three houses from the freeway in southern California
Speaker 2: at lots of noise, but I never heard it because
Speaker 2: my brain went, oh, you don't need to listen to that,
Speaker 2: so it would suppress it.
Speaker 1: To someone who has ADHD, it can't suppress it.
Speaker 2: Interesting, and so the world comes at them too much.
Speaker 2: And you see it with the clothes they wear. They
Speaker 2: hate seams and they hate tags because their body feels it.
Speaker 2: So I've been married twice. Both of my wives have
Speaker 2: add of one form or another. And the first time,
Speaker 2: when I got married, I went, it's like, right after
Speaker 2: I got married, I went to my closet to get
Speaker 2: a shirt and I noticed the tag was cut out
Speaker 2: of my shirt, and I'm like, that's weird. And then
Speaker 2: I looked at all of my shirts and all of
Speaker 2: the tags were out, and I felt violated. And I
Speaker 2: went into the living room with the shirt and I'm like,
Speaker 2: why is my shirt missing the tag? She goes, oh,
Speaker 2: don't you hate tags like I hate tags. I thought
Speaker 2: you'd really like that I cut them all out for
Speaker 2: you and I'm like, I've never felt a tag in
Speaker 2: my life. Please don't damage my clothes.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's fascinating to me. So because I can
Speaker 1: relate to what you said, I'm very unaffected by outside noise.
Speaker 1: And definitely my brain creates the same boundary that you
Speaker 1: said yours does, where I could be in a really
Speaker 1: noisy environment, but I can go totally internal if I'm
Speaker 1: focused on something. Now, does that mean that we're born
Speaker 1: with ADHD or can we train attention?
Speaker 2: Well, we can train attention, but ADHD I'm talking about
Speaker 2: is what you're born with. What you see it in
Speaker 2: your mom, you see it in your dad. I have
Speaker 2: I told you my first wife had add which means
Speaker 2: three of my children have it. So I know more
Speaker 2: about this than I want to. And if you think
Speaker 2: of distractability, what does an orgasm require focus? You have
Speaker 2: to pay attention to the feeling long enough in order
Speaker 2: to have an organ And so if that becomes really hard,
Speaker 2: well that's a problem for both the person and their
Speaker 2: partner because their partner will like, oh, she doesn't love
Speaker 2: me or I'm not enough, when it has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with that. It's just they are easily distracted people
Speaker 2: with the real ADD they need white noise at night,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's the middle of winter, it's Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. The fan is on, Like why is the
Speaker 2: fan on. It's like, Oh, I need the noise or
Speaker 2: I won't be able to sleep because I hear everything
Speaker 2: that's in the house so short attention span enough for
Speaker 2: everything easily distracted, disorganized, So it's hard for them. It's
Speaker 2: not natural for them. If you look at their rooms,
Speaker 2: their desks, their book bags, their filing cabinets and time,
Speaker 2: they're often late and I like to be early. I'm like,
Speaker 2: if I have a flight, I'm there two hours early
Speaker 2: because my brain thinks of all the things that could
Speaker 2: go wrong on the way to the airport, and the
Speaker 2: flight's important to me. People with add's last minute, last minute,
Speaker 2: And I used to fight, I'm like, no, we need
Speaker 2: to go, and then I just started lying, it's like
Speaker 2: a flight, the flight is at noon, when really it
Speaker 2: was at one o'clock. And because our organization wasn't such,
Speaker 2: she didn't really catch on the other.
Speaker 1: How much of that is training? Like I feel like
Speaker 1: I grew up with a mom who is very meticulous
Speaker 1: with time. So my mom trained me to always believe
Speaker 1: that if you're not early, you're late. And so I
Speaker 1: also live in a world that you do, which is
Speaker 1: I'm always at the airport early. I'm always making sure
Speaker 1: of anything that could go wrong, security could take a
Speaker 1: bit longer. There's so many other things that to me,
Speaker 1: I've always felt came because I had a mom who
Speaker 1: are super organized, and I've inherited that by watching her.
Speaker 1: Even now, like my mom trained me how to make
Speaker 1: sure we locked all the doors that night, and you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't grow up in a really safe area, so
Speaker 1: there was this very hyper attention to make sure. So
Speaker 1: I'm very good at.
Speaker 2: That, and it could have been because her brain was
Speaker 2: busy in the front. And she also gave that to you, right,
Speaker 2: So some of it is training. But if she had
Speaker 2: add she wouldn't give that to you, and you would
Speaker 2: often be chronically stressed because she wouldn't get you to
Speaker 2: school on time, or she wouldn't be there on time
Speaker 2: to pick you up, or it's really important you have
Speaker 2: soccer's practice and you're late. The level of stress in
Speaker 2: add ADHD families is very high because of the distractability,
Speaker 2: the disorganization, and the fourth one is procrastination. They don't
Speaker 2: do things until someone's mad at them to get it done.
Speaker 2: They need stress in order to get stuff done, and
Speaker 2: that just makes everybody around them stressed, and it makes
Speaker 2: them stress because you know, they're often late because they
Speaker 2: actually don't start getting ready until it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm late, and then they always show up like either
Speaker 2: right on time, flustered or ten minutes late, always apologizing.
Speaker 1: And that's different from people who perform well under stress.
Speaker 1: This is someone who needs stress.
Speaker 2: In order to perform, in order to perform. Right when
Speaker 2: I first started imaging, it was on an add woman.
Speaker 2: So I went into a lecture on brain spect imaging
Speaker 2: in my hospital in April nineteen ninety one, and I
Speaker 2: walked out and I had a new patient. Her name
Speaker 2: was Sandy and she was forty four, and she was
Speaker 2: beautiful and under employed jenn IQ of one hundred and
Speaker 2: forty four, and she was a lapteck and she was
Speaker 2: in the hospital because she had a suicide attempt the
Speaker 2: night before in an impulsive act when she and her
Speaker 2: husband had a fight. And I'm like, add add add.
Speaker 2: She had an eight year old son that had add
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I think you have ADD and she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: adults can't have it, thinking to myself but not saying
Speaker 2: it because I don't have ADD. It's like, I'm the doctor.
Speaker 2: Adults totally can have ADD. And I said, can I
Speaker 2: scan you? Because I've just learned about this new technology.
Speaker 2: And I scanned her twice, once at rest, once when
Speaker 2: she did a concentration task, and when she tried to concentrate,
Speaker 2: the front part of her brain shut down rather than
Speaker 2: what it should have done was turn on. And I
Speaker 2: put the this is why I love imaging. I put
Speaker 2: the scans on her hospital table and I was explaining
Speaker 2: to them and she started to cry and she said,
Speaker 2: you mean it. It's not my fault. And that's the
Speaker 2: moment I got hooked on imaging because I already knew
Speaker 2: the diagnosis. She it immediately evaporated shame and then she's like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's talk about adult ADD And she had
Speaker 2: all of the things, including the impulse control issues, but
Speaker 2: because she was so bright, she didn't bring enough negative
Speaker 2: attention to herself and never gotten the help. And after
Speaker 2: I treated her she finished college, she stopped picking on
Speaker 2: her husband because another trait that a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't understand is they become negative seeking, conflict seeking, and
Speaker 2: excitement seeking, and those are all dopamine driven behavior. So
Speaker 2: if you have a low level of dopamine, well, if
Speaker 2: you pick a fight with someone, now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: there's some excitement going on. If you jump out of
Speaker 2: an airplane that has a whole bunch of dopamine associated
Speaker 2: with it, and I experienced this, it is that poking.
Speaker 2: It's like we're going on vacation. Why are we having
Speaker 2: a problem and activating their frontal lobes, they're less negative
Speaker 2: and I'm just publishing a study on negativity bias, so
Speaker 2: I'm very interested in are you positive? Are you negative? Now?
Speaker 2: Unbridled positive thinking is a disaster you diarly, but negative
Speaker 2: thinking you actually have low function in your frontal lobes.
Speaker 2: And many of the add people I see tend to
Speaker 2: see the glass as half empty, and that wears on them.
Speaker 2: So if we highlight the short attention span on for everything, disorganization, procrastination,
Speaker 2: impulse control, it's like the break in the brain is vulnerable,
Speaker 2: and they say things often that you shouldn't say. It's
Speaker 2: like the inside voice gets out. They do things that
Speaker 2: it's like, I wish I hadn't done that, so they
Speaker 2: actually live with a lot of regrant. And your prefrontal
Speaker 2: cortex is called the executive part of the brain because
Speaker 2: it's like the boss at work. It's involved in focus, forethought, judgment,
Speaker 2: impulse control, organization, planning, empathy, learning from the mistakes you make,
Speaker 2: and when it's sleepy, you have all those problems, which
Speaker 2: just describes ADD and strengthening. It is critical to your humanity.
Speaker 2: Did you know that sociopaths have ten percent less volume
Speaker 2: in their prefrontal cortex, so they're a little less human
Speaker 2: if you will even has that ten percent, it's huge.
Speaker 2: And this is why you should never let a child
Speaker 2: hit a soccer ball with their forehead. It's just so stupid.
Speaker 2: And like, I'm not a huge fan of allowing kids
Speaker 2: to play tackle football because it's more likely to damage
Speaker 2: the part of them that is the boss. And people
Speaker 2: who have ADD are often executives of their own companies
Speaker 2: because they don't work well often with other people, and
Speaker 2: so they're entrepreneurial. And some wildly famous people have said
Speaker 2: they had ADD, like the person who started jet Blue.
Speaker 2: He was public with that. It can look false, it
Speaker 2: can be masquerade. You have add because your parents gave
Speaker 2: you an iPhone when you were a year old, and
Speaker 2: I think we're wising up. That's not a good thing
Speaker 2: to do. But still, children should not have smartphones until
Speaker 2: they're fifteen sixteen social media. Australia banned social media under sixteen.
Speaker 2: I think that's so great, right, taking the neuroscience and
Speaker 2: making it public policy. California, you can't start school in
Speaker 2: the morning before eight o'clock. Taking what we know with neuroscience,
Speaker 2: kids who get just an hour less sleep have a
Speaker 2: higher incidence of depression and suicide. So all right, cut
Speaker 2: out the zero periods. I love that neuroscience and then
Speaker 2: public policy.
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Speaker 1: back to the discussion. Do we know what causes ADHD?
Speaker 2: It's genetic People are not producing enough dopamine, and the
Speaker 2: medicines we use, like ritalin or adderall they increase the
Speaker 2: availability of dopamine. Now, the problem is is if you
Speaker 2: don't really have it, what you have is societally induced ADHD.
Speaker 2: The medicine will disrupt you and make you worse and
Speaker 2: early on, I realize when I scan people, because I've
Speaker 2: scanned thirty or forty thousand people who have add of
Speaker 2: one type or another, it's not one thing. Early on,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's seven different things. And so my
Speaker 2: book Healing add I talk about see and heal the
Speaker 2: seven types, and so can I talk about the type?
Speaker 1: I was just about to ask my next question, you
Speaker 1: are you already? You're already one step ahead of me.
Speaker 2: So let me also Type one is the class because
Speaker 2: most people think of ADHD short attention span, distractability, disorganization, impulsivity,
Speaker 2: and hyperactivity. They can't sit still. And one of my kids,
Speaker 2: when she was born, we thought she was going to
Speaker 2: be a boy because in her mother's womb she was
Speaker 2: so active. And the law is the more active a
Speaker 2: baby is inside their mother, more likely they are to
Speaker 2: be a boy. She wasn't. When I held her older sister,
Speaker 2: we could watch movies, she'd sit on my lap. She
Speaker 2: was just calm. Her sister. We tried to hold her,
Speaker 2: was like trying to hold a live salmon. She's so wiggly.
Speaker 2: And then I take her to the mall. She would
Speaker 2: have been one of those children on the little yellow leashes.
Speaker 2: The big bird leashes in the mall. But I wrote
Speaker 2: a column in the local newspaper, so when I went
Speaker 2: to the mall, people recognize me. It's like doctor Aamon,
Speaker 2: I loved your column. Why is your child on a leash?
Speaker 2: So what I used to do with Caitlon is put
Speaker 2: her in her stroller and and tie her shoes together
Speaker 2: so she couldn't get out because she's like, where are
Speaker 2: you going? And I remember just holding her hand. I
Speaker 2: take my little pinky and wrap it around her wrist
Speaker 2: because and I had spiritual problems because of this child.
Speaker 2: We would go to church and I don't know why
Speaker 2: Catholics take children into church rather than you know, send
Speaker 2: them to children's church. But anyways, she was so active
Speaker 2: and blurting out. And I'm like the only child psychiatrist
Speaker 2: in the county. And if my child is the worst one,
Speaker 2: that's bad for business. So I used to take her
Speaker 2: out and threaten her life and not worried about her
Speaker 2: eternal stule and I adore and she's thirty seven now
Speaker 2: and have then is just like her, which is you know,
Speaker 2: my six year old granddaughter. It's just like her. It's genetic.
Speaker 2: And when we've scott her diagnosed. The doctor, who was
Speaker 2: really great, looked at me and then looked at her
Speaker 2: mother and goes, so, who has this because it's genetic.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's not me. I do everything early.
Speaker 2: Now we're written forty two books, every one of them
Speaker 2: has been handed in early. And her mom goes, it's
Speaker 2: not me, but that I was so grateful because it
Speaker 2: took her like twelve years to get through college, and
Speaker 2: she just she asked her this one question, This is
Speaker 2: a great adult add question because she was still in
Speaker 2: college at the time. She goes, how do you study?
Speaker 2: She goes, oh, I can never study at home. I
Speaker 2: get so distracted. I go inside my little car underneath
Speaker 2: the street lamp, no kids, no noise, nothing there. I
Speaker 2: can study. And the doctor goes, you have add It
Speaker 2: was very helpful for me and for her.
Speaker 1: Type one.
Speaker 2: That's type one. Classic Type two is inattentive add short
Speaker 2: attention and span, destractability, disorganized, procrastinate. But they're not impulsive,
Speaker 2: and more common in girls. They're not hyperactive. In fact,
Speaker 2: they can be a little bit hypo active. And those
Speaker 2: first two types were described in the DSM when they
Speaker 2: first created this diagnostic category. In nineteen eighty I describe
Speaker 2: the next five types. The third one is over focused ADD,
Speaker 2: where the problem is not so much you can't concentrate,
Speaker 2: it's you can't shift your attention that you get stuck.
Speaker 2: And if you can't shift your attention, you cannot pay attention.
Speaker 2: But it's a different mechanism, and I found this to
Speaker 2: be particularly true in children and grandchildren of alcoholics, and
Speaker 2: they tend to be argumentative, oppositional, worry. If things don't
Speaker 2: go there way, they get upset and on the surface
Speaker 2: they appear selfish. They're really not selfish. They're just not flexible,
Speaker 2: and stimulants tend to make them more worried and more upset.
Speaker 2: Type four is called limbic ADD. It's where their emotional
Speaker 2: brain is too busy, and it's sort of like ADD
Speaker 2: plus mild depression, and the glasses always half empty for them.
Speaker 2: Type five I think such an interesting one as temporal
Speaker 2: low ADD. They have problems in one or both of
Speaker 2: their temporal lobes. Often goes with learning problems, but mood, instability, irritability,
Speaker 2: temper problems. One of my first great cases was Chris.
Speaker 2: He's his third psychiatric hospitalization this time, he took a
Speaker 2: pencil and put it in the neck of one of
Speaker 2: his classmates. Stimulants made him hallucinate. All the other medicines
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm scanning you, and he had left
Speaker 2: temper low. Problem goes with violence. I put them on
Speaker 2: an anti convulsant and anti seizure medicine. Became the sweetest kid,
Speaker 2: and then he still had trouble concentrating. So then after
Speaker 2: I got the temporal opright, I gave him a stimulant. Masterful,
Speaker 2: I mean, the kid just did phenomenally well and then
Speaker 2: the ring of fire. That's what I may be most
Speaker 2: known for. The problem is not low activity, it's too
Speaker 2: much activity. Please don't give them a stimulant because they
Speaker 2: can become violent and aggressive. Actually use the supplement to
Speaker 2: calm things down in their brain, very effective. And then
Speaker 2: the last one's anxious. Add they're really anxious, and so
Speaker 2: they tend to be early to things, but disorganized, distructed,
Speaker 2: so on. So knowing the type, and that's why Riddlin
Speaker 2: has a bad reputation. For the right brain, it's miraculous.
Speaker 2: For the wrong brain, it's a nightmare.
Speaker 1: A lot of people who have ADSD You say, they
Speaker 1: feel emotions much more strongly and deeply. Can they start
Speaker 1: to regulate their emotions? Is there a way to do
Speaker 1: that or is that medication? Well?
Speaker 2: And sometimes with the medicine they don't like it because
Speaker 2: it feels like it suppresses their emotion. Interesting and my
Speaker 2: daughter Caitlin, when I put her on Riddlin because she
Speaker 2: was hyperactive, and then she was dramatically less hyperactive. But
Speaker 2: I found I had to titrate the dose down because
Speaker 2: I could see it put in a lid on her personality,
Speaker 2: which is not what you want to do. And so
Speaker 2: often you want to work with someone who's really knowledgeable
Speaker 2: to titrate the dose up and down effectively. If you're
Speaker 2: a baseball player, so just thinking of athletes, the medicine
Speaker 2: gives you a better batting average. If you're a linebacker
Speaker 2: in football, you might be a little bit less aggressive
Speaker 2: because you're more thoughtful. Right, So if you want to
Speaker 2: play with abandon, you probably don't want to stimulant on board.
Speaker 2: But I find for some of my professional athletes, they're
Speaker 2: just much more focused and less likely to get technical
Speaker 2: fouls because they're not a hothead. And when you see
Speaker 2: the world like I see it and you're watching, you know,
Speaker 2: someone have a meltdown on the court, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: wonder what's going on in that person's brain, right, rather
Speaker 2: than just judge them as bad. I haven't scanned Draymond Green,
Speaker 2: but I want to.
Speaker 1: I saw a study that found that children with untreated
Speaker 1: ADHD are nearly twice as likely to develop an alcohol
Speaker 1: use disorder or other substance abuse problem.
Speaker 2: Why is that because of the lack of impulse control
Speaker 2: and they don't like how they feel. Right, if you've
Speaker 2: been told every to settle down, or you brought negative
Speaker 2: attention to yourself over time, it activates your emotional brain
Speaker 2: and you want to settle it down, and you don't
Speaker 2: have good forethought or good impulse control, and you're more
Speaker 2: likely to drink. And it's just so prevalent plus with society.
Speaker 2: During the Super Bowl there were thirty beer commercials and
Speaker 2: the rest of them were jack in the boxes. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's like we're just being flooded with these awful
Speaker 2: messages that take people have add make them more add
Speaker 2: and then they engage in habits that aren't helpful.
Speaker 1: Do you think there should be a ban on alcohol
Speaker 1: adveisements as much as there is obviously on smoking, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not health food. I mean, the American Cancer
Speaker 2: Society came out three years ago and said you shouldn't
Speaker 2: drink because it increases your risk of seven different types
Speaker 2: of cancer. The Surgeon General last year said we should
Speaker 2: put alcohol cancer warning label signs on alcohol. I think
Speaker 2: when you just look at our society, from the digital
Speaker 2: addictions and social media and technology, to the bad food,
Speaker 2: the ultra process food that so many people that's eighty
Speaker 2: or ninety percent of their diet, to marijuana's innocuous, which
Speaker 2: is a complete lie. Alcohols a health food. No. And
Speaker 2: now the big new thing is psilocybin. It's great medicine.
Speaker 2: It's an antidepressant, it'll treat your PTSD, and it's increased
Speaker 2: psychosis to emergency rooms three hundred percent. It is not innocuous.
Speaker 2: Now might it become a good treatment. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I've seen this party before, right,
Speaker 2: the big benefits of being seventies, You've seen lots of
Speaker 2: things the early eighties. Benzos are innocuous, their Mommy little helper.
Speaker 2: We know benzos are highly addictive and increase the risk
Speaker 2: of dementia. The early nineties. Alcohol's good for your heart.
Speaker 2: You should drink. It's a lie. You shouldn't drink. It
Speaker 2: increases your risk of stupidity and cancer. Right, if you're
Speaker 2: add and you have sleepy frontalobes, now you drink, you
Speaker 2: have sleepier frontallobes. Still not a good thing. And then
Speaker 2: pain is the fifth fvital sign.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Purdue Pharmaceuticals came out with let's get more people to
Speaker 2: take opiates and came out with these campaigns and spent
Speaker 2: billions of dollars on marketing, and it was a disaster.
Speaker 2: And then the whole marijuana is innocuous. During not this
Speaker 2: presidential campaign, the last one, Joe Biden was debating and
Speaker 2: they asked him should the federal government legalize marijuana? And
Speaker 2: he said no, I don't think there's enough research. And
Speaker 2: Corey Booker, the senator from New Jersey, shames him on
Speaker 2: national television and he said, man, are you high? Like
Speaker 2: the science is settled. Well, as more places legalize it,
Speaker 2: the science is getting settled. It's bad for us. Right,
Speaker 2: if you use as a teenager, it increases anxiety, depression, psychosis,
Speaker 2: and suicide in your twenties. I published a study on
Speaker 2: one thousand marijuana users, every area of the brain is
Speaker 2: lower and blood flow and I got so much grief
Speaker 2: for it. And two months ago in jama psychiatry on
Speaker 2: one thousand marijuana users, the memory and learning centers are
Speaker 2: lower in blood flow and activity. This is not in as.
Speaker 2: It's all these lies that then increase the expression of ADD.
Speaker 2: And so you know, how do you know you look
Speaker 2: at someone's history over time, right, all of us have
Speaker 2: ADD moments, but that's not ADD. Having ADD is these
Speaker 2: hallmark symptoms have followed you most of your life.
Speaker 1: So for parents who are listening right now and they're
Speaker 1: starting to see a young child maybe have one of
Speaker 1: the types or some of the symptoms, what would you
Speaker 1: encourage them to do?
Speaker 2: You know, I have a free online test called addtype
Speaker 2: test dot com. They could take that for people. If
Speaker 2: you've been struggling and it's like you really believe it's
Speaker 2: not just environmental, right, I mean, the first thing, if
Speaker 2: your child struggling in school, make sure they're not taking
Speaker 2: their iPad to bed so often it's because kids are
Speaker 2: sleep deprived. They look like they have ADD because parents
Speaker 2: are really not properly supervising the kids. Do a digital detox.
Speaker 2: And then I have to say this because there's this
Speaker 2: great study published in The Lancet replicated that when you
Speaker 2: put kids on an elimination diet, So what does that mean?
Speaker 2: You eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, artificial dyes and sweeteners,
Speaker 2: seventy percent of the kid's less their add No way,
Speaker 2: So the first thing is not let me give you
Speaker 2: this drug. In my mind, the first thing is do
Speaker 2: a digital detox and do an elimination diet and do
Speaker 2: it for a month. And it's like, oh, I can't
Speaker 2: do that. It's like, it's not that hard. My wife
Speaker 2: Tanner wrote a cookbook, Healing add at Home through Food
Speaker 2: or the Brain Warrior's Way. That's her big cookbook. It's
Speaker 2: been reprinted like fifty three times. I'm so proud of her.
Speaker 2: And fine foods. The kids love that, love them bad
Speaker 2: food is so important. Do that first. And I always
Speaker 2: tell them like, look, if they really have ADD or ADHD,
Speaker 2: they're going to have it three months from now or
Speaker 2: four months from now. Let's do this and see. I
Speaker 2: have an online course called Healing add at Home in
Speaker 2: thirty Days and it's basically, before you give them medicine,
Speaker 2: do these things first, and it's so helpful.
Speaker 1: Why does changing our diet affect ADHD. Why does removing gluten,
Speaker 1: removing processed foods, et cetera. Why does that impact it.
Speaker 2: Your brain's two percent about your body's weight. It uses
Speaker 2: twenty to thirty percent of the calories you consume, and
Speaker 2: so if you have a fast food diet, you're likely
Speaker 2: to have a fast food mind. And both gluten and
Speaker 2: dairy when they go to your stomach, when it mixes
Speaker 2: with stomach acid, it turns into something called gluteomorphins, which
Speaker 2: work on the heroin centers or the opiate centers of
Speaker 2: your brain, and it just sort of spaces you out
Speaker 2: for milk. It's casio morphins. And it's why we love pizza.
Speaker 2: If you think of gluten and dairy, right, it's pizza.
Speaker 2: But it's also why you feel spacey afterwards. And too often,
Speaker 2: what do we feed kids Like when I was growing up,
Speaker 2: it was frosted flakes or pop tarts or a muffin
Speaker 2: or doughnuts. And if you get a sugar burst, well
Speaker 2: half an hour later, your brain is walking in mud.
Speaker 2: And yet that's what we feed children in the morning.
Speaker 2: Add kids who have protein in the morning, their medicine
Speaker 2: works longer throughout the day. And so in the fifties,
Speaker 2: you know, we grew up with bacon and eggs and
Speaker 2: much better than the processed cereals.
Speaker 1: I love your thoughts on how to do it before
Speaker 1: we get to medicine, before we get to medication, looking
Speaker 1: at technology, looking at our diet, and that way you
Speaker 1: could potentially save yourself from having to go down the
Speaker 1: medicine room. Right.
Speaker 2: And then parents who are generally resistant to the idea
Speaker 2: of medicine, and perhaps more so than they should be,
Speaker 2: because I think if someone really has add withholding medicine
Speaker 2: is like withholding glasses from someone who can't see, and
Speaker 2: that's neglect. And we're in this society, right. The more
Speaker 2: educated you are, it's like, oh no, I'd never give
Speaker 2: my child medicine. And then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 2: see they're failing in school. And if you struggle in school,
Speaker 2: you begin to hang out with the other kids who
Speaker 2: are struggling, which may not be ultimately in their best interest.
Speaker 2: If you haven't been diagnosed by the time year ten,
Speaker 2: odds are your self esteem has been negatively impacted because
Speaker 2: people have said repeatedly to you you're smarter than this,
Speaker 2: You could do better than this. Try harder. But what
Speaker 2: I showed on the scans when they try to concentrate,
Speaker 2: their brain drops in activity. In fact, the harder they try,
Speaker 2: the worse it gets.
Speaker 1: Why is that.
Speaker 2: Because their brain is turning off when it should be
Speaker 2: off their frontal lobe. If you don't have enough dopamine
Speaker 2: to keep your frontal lobe engaged, it sort of withers
Speaker 2: with effort. And what does that teach you to give up?
Speaker 2: It's this idea of learned helplessness. There's a psychologist who's
Speaker 2: really famous, Marty Seligman. You probably know of him because
Speaker 2: he's famous for positive psychology. He helps start that movement,
Speaker 2: but he was way famous before then because he coined
Speaker 2: this term learned helplessness. With depression. It's like you try
Speaker 2: and it doesn't work. You try and it doesn't work,
Speaker 2: You try and it doesn't work, and then you say
Speaker 2: to hell with it, and you stop trying. And that
Speaker 2: happens with so many people who have add In fact,
Speaker 2: when I diagnose and treating an adult woman a common scenario,
Speaker 2: she brings her hyperactive son to me and I'm like,
Speaker 2: where did this come from? And say it comes from
Speaker 2: the mom, and then I treat her, she gets dramatically better,
Speaker 2: and then she gets depressed because she starts thinking about
Speaker 2: what would my life have been like if someone would
Speaker 2: have noticed this, if I would have been treated. Now
Speaker 2: that's you don't give her an antidepressant for that, You like,
Speaker 2: do grief work with her, and like, okay, but now
Speaker 2: you know so your son doesn't have to go through this,
Speaker 2: and you don't want to argue with the past. You
Speaker 2: want to look forward.
Speaker 1: Have you seen people break the cycle? As we're talking about,
Speaker 1: it's genetically passed down? If you saw in your parents,
Speaker 1: have you seen that be possible? Is it possible to
Speaker 1: break the cycle completely so that you don't pass it on?
Speaker 2: You know, I think so, But we're starting at such
Speaker 2: a disadvantage. And you know as I think, because you know,
Speaker 2: my real passion in life is to create a brain
Speaker 2: health revolution. And where would that start. It has to
Speaker 2: start with kids before they have babies. Because when that
Speaker 2: mother was born, she was born with all of the
Speaker 2: eggs in her ovaries she will ever have, and so
Speaker 2: if we're going to help her children be healthier, we
Speaker 2: have to get to her when she's a child. And
Speaker 2: help her make really good decisions when she's a teenager.
Speaker 2: And too often parents go, oh, I don't have control,
Speaker 2: and they abdicate their parental role over teenagers on who
Speaker 2: they hang out with and what they eat, and you know,
Speaker 2: we're not drinking together, and we're not smoking pot together,
Speaker 2: and you know, like all the insanity that's going on
Speaker 2: in our society today. I think we have to get
Speaker 2: to their ovaries early, because if you're born with all
Speaker 2: of the eggs, you'll ever have. Whatever you do in
Speaker 2: life turns on on or off certain genes, making illness
Speaker 2: more or less likely in you, yes, but also your
Speaker 2: babies and grand babies. So that's how we decrease the incidents,
Speaker 2: is we get mom and dad, because this sperm really
Speaker 2: matters to be as healthy as possible.
Speaker 1: I read in the National Institute of Mental Health. They
Speaker 1: found that five point four percent of adult men and
Speaker 1: three point two percent of adult women have ADHD. Why
Speaker 1: do you believe that ADHD is more common in men.
Speaker 2: But is more common because men have sleepier frontal lobes
Speaker 2: than women. So I published the world's largest imaging study
Speaker 2: on gender and looked at the difference. In forty six
Speaker 2: thousand patients. Difference between male brains and female brains. Females
Speaker 2: have much stronger, much more active prefrontal cortex. Men have
Speaker 2: sleep here prefrontal cortex. And what's the one statistic that
Speaker 2: identifies that who goes to jail? Men fourteen times more
Speaker 2: than females. So they have a relative dopamine deficit compared
Speaker 2: to females. But girls still have it, and when left untreated,
Speaker 2: it just devastates their lives. And how you can diagnose
Speaker 2: it in a teenage girl is just look at their
Speaker 2: love pattern. They get all excited about falling in love,
Speaker 2: dopamine burst. After it wears off, right, it's like, don't
Speaker 2: get married in the next two months because you never
Speaker 2: really know. After the dopamine wears off, the cocaine effect
Speaker 2: wears off, they start picking on their partner and they
Speaker 2: start fighting, and so new love fighting and then they
Speaker 2: break up and there's lots of drama around breaking up,
Speaker 2: and they get suicidal sometimes, and then they fall in
Speaker 2: love again and then they pick on their new person
Speaker 2: and then they break up and they lots of drama
Speaker 2: around it. And if you see that pattern repeatedly, screen
Speaker 2: them for add very important.
Speaker 1: How does ADHD show up differently for men and women.
Speaker 2: So men tend to be more hyperactive, women tend to
Speaker 2: have more the inattentive type. Women also tend to have
Speaker 2: the over focused type more men the temporal lobe type,
Speaker 2: because the temporal lobe type can be in part born
Speaker 2: out of a concussion or a head injury. And you
Speaker 2: know people have add have way more concussions and accidents,
Speaker 2: and the reason for that is the shorter attention span
Speaker 2: and impulse control issues.
Speaker 1: I think it's sitting here listening to you and trying
Speaker 1: to understand your how even the way you broke down
Speaker 1: the seven types of ADHD, you start to think about
Speaker 1: how ADHD doesn't just affect an individual's focus and attention
Speaker 1: and performance at school, as you rightly said earlier, it
Speaker 1: starts to affect your relationships. Right If you have a parent,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about all of these independently.
Speaker 1: If you have a parent that has ADHD and they
Speaker 1: have passed or haven't passed it on to you, that
Speaker 1: has an impact on you. If you're dating someone. You
Speaker 1: were talking about your first two wives, when you're dating
Speaker 1: someone who has ADHD, that has an impact on you.
Speaker 1: If you have ADHD and you're dating someone who doesn't.
Speaker 1: That has an impact on you and them. It starts
Speaker 1: to impact all areas of life. And because we have
Speaker 1: such a limited understanding of it, we can get frustrated
Speaker 1: when someone clips out our labels, or we can get
Speaker 1: upset when someone is always late and we say, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't care about me, you're always late, like it
Speaker 1: can actually start to become more emotional. And it is
Speaker 1: just biological, chemical, and physical.
Speaker 2: It's biological for sure that gives you psychological effects, and
Speaker 2: the chronic stress damages your immune system for you and
Speaker 2: the people who love you, clearly social, I think one
Speaker 2: of the reasons for divorce is untreated add I think
Speaker 2: it's often the hidden cause, and it's spiritual because you
Speaker 2: just believe you're less than that God who you see
Speaker 2: that doesn't care about you.
Speaker 1: What do we do with that feeling? Because that's the
Speaker 1: feeling for people who have ADHD, and they feel that
Speaker 1: failing at life, they feel that underperforming, they feel like
Speaker 1: they're not going to succeed. But earlier you were saying
Speaker 1: to me, actually, some of the great CEOs of big
Speaker 1: companies of people with ADHD. But first, here's a quick
Speaker 1: word from the brands that support the show. All right,
Speaker 1: thank you, do you to our responses. Now let's dive
Speaker 1: back in. So walk me through. If someone's sitting here thinking, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to achieve anything in my life because
Speaker 1: I've got ADHD, what would you say to them?
Speaker 2: You're responsible to get it treated, because with treatment you
Speaker 2: can be amazing because you often have the ability to
Speaker 2: see things other people don't see. And it's the undisciplined
Speaker 2: mind that creates so much trouble. So you know, at
Speaker 2: Aiman Clinics, we want to look at your brain. Of course,
Speaker 2: we want to get it healthy, and we get it healthy,
Speaker 2: whether it's diet, supplements, exercise, medicine, whatever tools we have
Speaker 2: a lot of people do really well with nerve feedback,
Speaker 2: where you can actually measure the electrical activity in your
Speaker 2: brain and then through exercises, strengthen it. So I like
Speaker 2: nerve feedback a lot. But then you also have to
Speaker 2: reprogram your mind. And I talk about killing the ants,
Speaker 2: the automatic negative thoughts that steal your happiness, and people
Speaker 2: who have add often have a high negativity bias, and
Speaker 2: so learning to direct your thoughts in a positive and
Speaker 2: a helpful and a hopeful way absolutely critical to overcome it.
Speaker 2: The first exercise I do with all of my patients,
Speaker 2: but particularly my add patients, is called the one page miracle.
Speaker 2: On one piece of paper, write down what you want relationships?
Speaker 2: What do you want? Like with ten, I want a kind, caring, loving, supportive,
Speaker 2: passionate relationship. Don't always feel it. I get rude thoughts
Speaker 2: that show up, but I don't say them. Why because
Speaker 2: I inhibit them because they don't fit. Most people in
Speaker 2: life don't do this exercise, which I find crazy. What
Speaker 2: do you want your work or school? What do you
Speaker 2: want for your money? What do you want for your
Speaker 2: physical health, your emotional health, your spiritual What do you want?
Speaker 2: We put it on one paper, and then the question
Speaker 2: always becomes does it fit? Does my behavior fit the
Speaker 2: goals I have for my life? So that's what your
Speaker 2: prefrontal cortex does, right, It sets goals and helps you
Speaker 2: continue to achieve them despite the obstacles that you have.
Speaker 2: So I remember, I'm in college and I want to
Speaker 2: go to medical school, and I took organic chemistry and
Speaker 2: I got a forty two on my first desk, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, this is going to be an obstacle.
Speaker 2: Get a tutor, and I ended up obviously going to
Speaker 2: medical school. But it's your If it's low, you get
Speaker 2: a forty two and then you give up. You don't
Speaker 2: have that persistence. But the first step always is what
Speaker 2: do you want? Is my behavior in me what I want?
Speaker 2: And they often come into my office and they go
Speaker 2: doctor em and I'm brutally honest, and in my mind
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, they have ADD And then I'm like,
Speaker 2: but that's usually not helpful relationships re tact. They require forethought.
Speaker 2: Jerry Seinfeld once said the brain is a sneaky organ.
Speaker 2: We all have weird, crazy, stupid, sexual, violent thoughts that
Speaker 2: nobody should ever hear. But when you have ADD your
Speaker 2: inside voice gets out when it can be hurtful. So
Speaker 2: that's the first step. I know what you want? And
Speaker 2: then is my behavior getting me what I want? And
Speaker 2: if my behavior is not getting me what I want?
Speaker 2: Is my brain? Could my brain be better?
Speaker 1: And therefore that leads to the treatment. Because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people are waking up every day and
Speaker 1: they're thinking kind of like what you said that lend helplessness.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, I'm eating right and I am working out,
Speaker 1: and i am trying to be motivated or maybe even
Speaker 1: I don't make it to the workout every day. I'm
Speaker 1: really trying, but every time I try it, just lose
Speaker 1: motivation and I lose energy. Is that something you hear
Speaker 1: quite often?
Speaker 2: I do, And that's why we scan people twice, once
Speaker 2: at rest, once when they concentrate, and if their brain
Speaker 2: drops with activity, it's like, Okay, we have to treat this,
Speaker 2: and you know, we can try to treat it with supplements,
Speaker 2: and I like them a lot. I own brain MD
Speaker 2: and I want to support you people who take EPA
Speaker 2: fish oil. Omega three fatty acids helps with add also
Speaker 2: helps with mood. There are five studies with saffron spice.
Speaker 2: Saffron as effective as ritulent in some studies.
Speaker 1: That's amazing and.
Speaker 2: It helps twenty five randomized controlled trials that saffron helps
Speaker 2: with depression compare to antidepressants. So I love saffron. Sfron.
Speaker 1: It tells a kid because it's it's in the Indian
Speaker 1: diet as a very staple thing.
Speaker 2: Right, And there's law in India if you're too happy,
Speaker 2: you must have had saffron. Omega three fatty acids, B
Speaker 2: vitamins pechnogenol, which is from pinebark. It's been found to
Speaker 2: be helpful. So I start based on your type. Okay,
Speaker 2: here are the supplements. Let's get your diet right, and
Speaker 2: then if those things don't work, then I think, well
Speaker 2: we should consider medication.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad that you're so clear on that.
Speaker 1: I know whenever there's a new discovery, I'm always texting
Speaker 1: you going what do you think about this? And what
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Because I appreciate your perspective
Speaker 1: because it's not coming from an opinion and it's not
Speaker 1: coming from a single case. And as I'm listening to
Speaker 1: you today, what I really take away is that everything
Speaker 1: is so specific and everything is so individual and personal.
Speaker 1: It's not like like you were saying, like some medication
Speaker 1: could actually be brilliant, and you said even miraculous for
Speaker 1: someone's brain, but if it's a different type of brain,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work that well. But we have this one
Speaker 1: size fits all model that we keep rolling out. Why
Speaker 1: do we even get to make these big claims off
Speaker 1: something being innocuous, or something being the perfect cure, or
Speaker 1: alcohol is good for your heart or everything that you've
Speaker 1: been mentioning.
Speaker 2: Well, you just have to follow the money. How's it
Speaker 2: legal to say out of it is driven by the
Speaker 2: alcohol industry, the marijuana industry, and now you know all
Speaker 2: of these billionaires investing in mushrooms in psilocybin. And I'm
Speaker 2: like a huge fan of Lion's main and we make
Speaker 2: something called smart mushrooms. But you have to be very
Speaker 2: careful with something that disrupts someone's brain and someone's mind.
Speaker 2: And for some people it can be helpful. For other
Speaker 2: people it's a nightmare. And I'm like, first, do no harm, right,
Speaker 2: So the first thing if you're depressed or you have
Speaker 2: PTSD is let's get your diet right. Then let's get
Speaker 2: you to exercise and not believe every stupid thing you
Speaker 2: think and take Omega three fatty acids. Or if you
Speaker 2: have PTSD EMDR. I'm a huge fan of psychotherapy called
Speaker 2: eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing. It's like, first, do no harm.
Speaker 2: Let's make sure we're doing the simple things first.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to talk to you today about dating
Speaker 1: someone with ADHD. Our community asks us so many questions
Speaker 1: about dating, marriage, being in a relationship, and as I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you today, it's very evident that sometimes our
Speaker 1: issue with our partners is because of their ADHD. And
Speaker 1: if you're coming from a family where you didn't have that,
Speaker 1: now someone being late, or now someone being disorganized, or
Speaker 1: now someone overthinking kind of causes you an issue with
Speaker 1: how you like life to function. The amount of people
Speaker 1: that say to me like, well, you know he just
Speaker 1: never wants to organize a trip, or you know she's
Speaker 1: always late, or whatever it may be, that's very common
Speaker 1: to hear if you're dating someone all in your case,
Speaker 1: married to someone with ADHD, what should you be prepared
Speaker 1: for and what you should you be thinking about?
Speaker 2: So Tanna has said publicly she has ADHD. We actually
Speaker 2: had a PBS show healing ADD and she talked about
Speaker 2: it and our first date, like, I had no idea
Speaker 2: she had ADD. But when she described her mom, she's
Speaker 2: classic ADHD, and Tanna just thought it was an excuse
Speaker 2: to fail. Oh this person has ADD and then she
Speaker 2: realized her over exercising the pot of coffee every day.
Speaker 2: That's like, oh, no, I do have this, and she's
Speaker 2: not as organized as I am and never met a
Speaker 2: rapper she actually wanted to throw away. And I remember
Speaker 2: being irritated about the rap her, and then I thought,
Speaker 2: I had this very interesting vision is I saw the
Speaker 2: counter clean without her there, and I got really sad.
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, that's just not worth the fight.
Speaker 2: Throw the wrapper away and what She's so awesome in
Speaker 2: so many ways, and she has the anxious add type.
Speaker 2: So she's always on time, so that's not an issue,
Speaker 2: and we hire people that organize her and it just
Speaker 2: as fine. But if she wasn't as kind as she was,
Speaker 2: if she didn't love me, yeah, I wouldn't be with her.
Speaker 2: I was with Dean Ornish. Do you know Dean Ornish.
Speaker 2: He's a internest but he's written a lot of work
Speaker 2: on diet and health, and he wrote this one book
Speaker 2: called Love and Survival and it's one of my favorite
Speaker 2: books I ever read. And as I was with him,
Speaker 2: I was like a little kid excited to talk to him.
Speaker 2: And because with my first wife, I mean, you can
Speaker 2: have all the add things, but if there's not love,
Speaker 2: it's not worth it. And I've read in his book
Speaker 2: he said he talked. There was a study from the
Speaker 2: Cleveland Clinic and they asked ten thousand men one question,
Speaker 2: does your wife show you her love? Right? And you
Speaker 2: can interpret it anyway, And I remember reading it at
Speaker 2: like ten o'clock at night because he's reading myself to sleep,
Speaker 2: and I woke up with crushing chest pain, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: this relationship is killing me. This is so important. When
Speaker 2: you're with someone, the issues really not do they have
Speaker 2: add or not, It's do they fit or not? And
Speaker 2: are they willing to get help or not? Like if
Speaker 2: you date one of my kids for more than six
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Speaker 1: had friends you've gone through that where they're like, I
Speaker 1: believe you love me, but I just feel like you
Speaker 1: don't care because you aren't on time, because you don't
Speaker 1: do the dishes. But Dan, you do it sometimes, you
Speaker 1: do it when it suits you. Well, you do it
Speaker 1: for your friends, but.
Speaker 2: Not me because they have more dopamine.
Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, talk to me about that, because you
Speaker 1: could see your partner who's like able to organize dinner
Speaker 1: for your friends, but then when it comes to you,
Speaker 1: they can't a date.
Speaker 2: In a way, it almost sounds like they're pushing on
Speaker 2: a wound. And one of the things I learned, and
Speaker 2: I actually learned it from Tanna. She grew up in
Speaker 2: a crazy home, so her aescort. Do you know the
Speaker 2: ace adverse childhood experiences, So on a scale of zero
Speaker 2: to ten, how many bad things happen to you as
Speaker 2: a kid, And if you have four or more, it's
Speaker 2: like physical, emotional, sexual abuse, neglect, watching your mother being abused,
Speaker 2: being raised with someone who goes to jail, has a
Speaker 2: mental illness and addiction. So you have four more, you
Speaker 2: have an increased risk of seven of the ten top
Speaker 2: ten leading causes of death if you have SI so
Speaker 2: more you die twenty years earlier. Ten is in eight.
Speaker 2: And we adopted both of our nieces who are nines.
Speaker 2: And when you see untreated ADD you see it throughout
Speaker 2: both of their families. Right, untreated ADD can go with trauma.
Speaker 2: And her earliest memory, or one of them, is her
Speaker 2: mom and grandmother falling to the floor because her uncle
Speaker 2: was murdered and a drug deal gone wrong, and so
Speaker 2: it was because her other uncle was involved in the
Speaker 2: drug deal. So anyways, he goes to jail, gets clean,
Speaker 2: and she goes to a seminar. She had thyroid cancer
Speaker 2: in her twenties. So chronic stress from untreated ADD and
Speaker 2: childhood trauma increases your cancerest. So she is cancer. When
Speaker 2: she's twenty five, she goes to Hawaii. He's teaching a
Speaker 2: se are for Jack Canfield, and he asks her how
Speaker 2: much responsibility do you want for your station in life
Speaker 2: right now? And she goes, I have cancer. It's not
Speaker 2: my fault. He goes, I didn't ask you about fault.
Speaker 2: I asked you about responsibility, which is just your ability
Speaker 2: to respond to the situation. And in that moment she
Speaker 2: got clarity. It's like, I want one hundred percent responsibility.
Speaker 2: And often when I'm with Tanna, if we're fussing, which
Speaker 2: is very rare for us, I'm like, what can I
Speaker 2: do to make this better? Because as soon as I go,
Speaker 2: you're not doing this, and you're not doing that. I
Speaker 2: think it's touching on a wound I have. But I
Speaker 2: want to be powerful and being powerful is so what
Speaker 2: can I do to make this better? Because I know
Speaker 2: and I ask all my patients this, I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: they're fighting with their wife and I'm like, or their mom.
Speaker 2: I'm like, so, what do you do to make your
Speaker 2: mom crazy? And they're like what? Because you know they
Speaker 2: expect me to just listen and buy into the bullshit.
Speaker 2: I'm like, so, what do you do to make your
Speaker 2: mom crazy? What do you do that makes your wife
Speaker 2: yell at you? And I do that purposefully because the
Speaker 2: next question is what do you do to make your
Speaker 2: mom smile? And I know if I become condescending, if
Speaker 2: I become critical, if I notice what's wrong, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to get back what I want. And I collect penguins.
Speaker 2: To ever tell you why I collect penguins. No, it's crazy, actually,
Speaker 2: it's good to know. I have like a thousand of them,
Speaker 2: and I live my life with why I collect penguins.
Speaker 2: So I adopted three of my kids. My oldest was
Speaker 2: hard for me, argumentative, oppositional, so he has the over
Speaker 2: focused add like classic. And I was in training at
Speaker 2: the time to be a child skiatrist and I went
Speaker 2: to my mentor and I'm like, I am not having
Speaker 2: any fun as a dad. So he was the first
Speaker 2: child I had, and she goes, you need to spend
Speaker 2: more time with him, and so I took him to
Speaker 2: a place called Sea Life Park, which is in Hawaii.
Speaker 2: It's like SeaWorld or Marine World Northern California, and we
Speaker 2: had a great day. I took him to the whale
Speaker 2: show and that was fun, and the dolphins and the
Speaker 2: sea lions, and at the end of the day, grabs
Speaker 2: my shirt and he goes, I want to see Fat
Speaker 2: Freddy and I'm like, who's Fat Freddy. He's like, penguin dad,
Speaker 2: don't you know anything? And that was our interactions. And
Speaker 2: so at the end of the day, I went to
Speaker 2: the last show, the Fat Freddy Show. He's a tiny,
Speaker 2: humble penguin, chubby fat Freddy, and he comes out onto
Speaker 2: the stage, climbs the ladder to a high dive, goes
Speaker 2: to the end of the board, bounces and jumps in
Speaker 2: the water, and I'm like, whoa. And he gets out
Speaker 2: bowls with his nose, counts with his flipper, jumps through
Speaker 2: a hoop of fire, and I'm just mesmerized by this
Speaker 2: little bird. And then at the end of the show,
Speaker 2: the trainer asked Freddy to go get something, and he
Speaker 2: went and got it and brought it right back, and
Speaker 2: in my mind, I went, damn, I asked this kid
Speaker 2: to get something for me, he wants to have a
Speaker 2: discussion for like twenty minutes, and then he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to do it. I knew my son was smarter than
Speaker 2: the penguin, so I went up to the trainer. I said,
Speaker 2: did you get Freddy to do all these really cool things?
Speaker 2: And she said, unlike parents. She looked at my son
Speaker 2: and then looked at me, unlike parents. Whenever Freddy does
Speaker 2: anything like what I want him to do, I notice him,
Speaker 2: I give him a hug, and I give him a fish.
Speaker 2: And even though my son didn't like raw fish, but
Speaker 2: it totally worked with my daughter Chloe. She loved sushi,
Speaker 2: from the time she was six months old. I realized
Speaker 2: that whenever he did what I wanted him to do,
Speaker 2: I didn't pay any attention to him at all because
Speaker 2: I was busy. But when he didn't do what I
Speaker 2: wanted him to do, I gave him a ton of
Speaker 2: attention because I didn't want to raise bad kids, So
Speaker 2: I was inadvertently teaching him to be bad in order
Speaker 2: to get my attention. So I collect penguins as a
Speaker 2: way to remind myself. Notice what you like more than
Speaker 2: what you don't. Notice what you like more than what
Speaker 2: you don't. And so if you're only noticing what you
Speaker 2: don't like, well, if you're with a partner who has
Speaker 2: add that's the story of their life that people have
Speaker 2: noticed what they haven't liked. If you love someone and
Speaker 2: I love my kids, said he I love my wife.
Speaker 2: Notice what you if it feeds so good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so good. What a great story, and what
Speaker 1: a what a great lesson. I mean that resonates so strongly,
Speaker 1: and it's so different to positive thinking because I think
Speaker 1: people think, well, that means I'm just letting them get
Speaker 1: away with all the bad stuff, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's just you're also making really clear that I notice,
Speaker 1: I validate, I acknowledge all this amazing behavior, because the
Speaker 1: truth is, what we're more often than not doing is
Speaker 1: we're keeping a scorecard, but it's of all their mistakes
Speaker 1: and all of our wins. So whenever we do do
Speaker 1: the dishes, we get a point. When that person doesn't
Speaker 1: do the dishes, they lose a point, as opposed to
Speaker 1: if we are going to keep score, we've got to
Speaker 1: really take account of all the amazing things that person
Speaker 1: does and be open to the fact that we also
Speaker 1: make mistakes. Because I think it's really easy to think,
Speaker 1: like I was giving that example to you, that I've
Speaker 1: always been a stickler for time, But at one point
Speaker 1: I had to ask myself, why am I making time
Speaker 1: the most important currency, because that's also my obsession. Time
Speaker 1: is not always the most important thing like it is
Speaker 1: sometimes if I'm presenting at an event, if I'm going
Speaker 1: to be on stage, if I've got to meet a
Speaker 1: guest for a podcast a client, time is of utmost importance.
Speaker 1: But when me and my wife are just going out
Speaker 1: to a friend's event that is a bit more casual.
Speaker 1: People are going to show up between seven and eight
Speaker 1: pm and I'm the guy trying to be there at
Speaker 1: six fifty nine, and I'm putting so much pressure on
Speaker 1: both of us. It's almost like it didn't really matter
Speaker 1: whether we turned up at seven or seven fifteen or
Speaker 1: seven point thirty. And I also had to give that up, right,
Speaker 1: So it's also like an acceptance that it's not like
Speaker 1: I'm perfect and that person's the one who's the wrong one.
Speaker 2: All that and what has eternal value? And you never
Speaker 2: want to have to win an argument. If you have
Speaker 2: to win an argument, it's because you have low self esteem.
Speaker 2: It's why do I have to beat my partner who
Speaker 2: I love, who you know, when something good happens, I
Speaker 2: call her, or something bad happens, I call her. I
Speaker 2: need to nurture that, And the winning comes from a
Speaker 2: low self esteem place or it comes from an earlier
Speaker 2: gladiator place that just has no business. I want Tanna
Speaker 2: to win. If I have to win, then there's a
Speaker 2: deficit somewhere in me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I always say to people, if you're fine
Speaker 1: with your partner and you win, it means they lose.
Speaker 1: And because you're on the same team, that means you
Speaker 1: both just lost. And if you lost and they won,
Speaker 1: you're on the same team. You both just lost, so
Speaker 1: you either win together or you lose together because you're
Speaker 1: on the same team. So there is no win lose
Speaker 1: scenario because you go to sleep with that person, you
Speaker 1: wake up next to that person, you have dinner and
Speaker 1: breakfast in lunch with that person. If you just won,
Speaker 1: you lost because you're sharing all the other time of
Speaker 1: the day with them. I want to flip it to
Speaker 1: the other side. What about someone who has ADHD and
Speaker 1: they're dating someone who doesn't. What advice would you give them?
Speaker 1: Two help because they might be being really harsh on themselves,
Speaker 1: they might feel misunderstood. What would you say to them?
Speaker 2: Well, I think communications probably the most important thing. Make
Speaker 2: sure you develop rituals of time so because often people
Speaker 2: get so busy and they're behind that they don't make time.
Speaker 2: And I think bonding requires two things, time and willingness
Speaker 2: to listen. And often the other person who doesn't have
Speaker 2: add feels like they're not being heard because the add
Speaker 2: person forgets things and it's like, no, I have to
Speaker 2: say this, and the other person feels diminished. And so
Speaker 2: having both people practice active listening, it's so magical when
Speaker 2: they say something don't say anything or repeat back what
Speaker 2: you hear and then be quiet. Too often people just
Speaker 2: use too many words. And if you can practice silence
Speaker 2: and giving when someone says something, give it space so
Speaker 2: if they want to say more, they will, as opposed
Speaker 2: to jumping into quickly. Communication is so important and get
Speaker 2: dopamine from going what do you need? How can I help?
Speaker 2: And often with ADD because of the chaos that's in
Speaker 2: your head, you might not know what do.
Speaker 1: You say to someone who has a parent with ADHD
Speaker 1: and they're struggling with and you know they're an adult,
Speaker 1: they have a parent who's got ADHD, then maybe well
Speaker 1: they're caring for them.
Speaker 2: They embarrassed a lot, right because you go to the
Speaker 2: restaurant and the person just say the first thing that
Speaker 2: comes to their mind, which can be horrifying. My oldest
Speaker 2: patient with ADD is ninety four, and I'm like, why
Speaker 2: are you in my office? And she goes, you help
Speaker 2: my great grandson, you help my granddaughter, you help my son.
Speaker 2: I've never been able to finish the paper in the morning.
Speaker 2: I want to finish the paper, so that was our goal,
Speaker 2: and so I scanned her. She clearly had ADHD and
Speaker 2: age doesn't make it better. I think that's a important point.
Speaker 2: Age doesn't make it better. And I treated her and
Speaker 2: she came back a month later and she had this
Speaker 2: beautiful smile and she said, I read my first book.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: And I would just be encouraging and go, we've learned
Speaker 2: so much about this. It's not a childhood disorder. It
Speaker 2: starts in childhood, but it can impact the rest of
Speaker 2: your life.
Speaker 1: How should people talk to their bosses or their teachers
Speaker 1: if parents are talking to teachers about having ADHD, Because
Speaker 1: I imagine that's a tough conversation in the workplace where
Speaker 1: your performance is being judged, your output's being judged, your
Speaker 1: productivity is being measured. How do you have that conversation
Speaker 1: in an effective way?
Speaker 2: So I think I'm not sure I would have that
Speaker 2: conversation because it might make them look at you differently.
Speaker 1: But there's still.
Speaker 2: That There is still that now if you need accommodation,
Speaker 2: so it is federal law. If you have a disability
Speaker 2: and ADHD is considered a disability under federal law, your
Speaker 2: employer can give you accommodations, is required to give you accommodations.
Speaker 2: I think my first suggestion is, see if you can
Speaker 2: get it treated without just so you don't really have
Speaker 2: to have the conversation I have to have them look
Speaker 2: at you differently. But if you need it in order
Speaker 2: to keep that job, I'd actulutely talk about that. You'll
Speaker 2: need to get your doctor to write a note and
Speaker 2: request those accommodations. Happens all the time in colleges. All
Speaker 2: major colleges have disability resource centers. One of my nieces
Speaker 2: is at UCLA. She gets extra time on tests, she
Speaker 2: gets notes, she gets a lot of help, which is rational.
Speaker 1: That's great inside, that's so helpful. Does ADHD ever go away?
Speaker 1: Or is it only my great question?
Speaker 2: In about half the cases, the kids who had ADHD
Speaker 2: so the hyperactive form were not in their later teens.
Speaker 2: I often worry they've outgrown the hyperactivity but not the
Speaker 2: short attention span and impulsivity. But sometimes it's a maturational
Speaker 2: lag in brain development, and you can encourage it to
Speaker 2: go away, or you can discourage it to go away.
Speaker 2: So you can encourage it to go away if there's
Speaker 2: regular exercise, if you teach kids not to believe every
Speaker 2: stupid thing they think, if you support them with Omega
Speaker 2: three fatty acids, and a healthy diet. And you don't
Speaker 2: just give them devices they want, right if you want
Speaker 2: to discourage it. So if you want them to make
Speaker 2: sure they have the add as they age, then feed
Speaker 2: them bad food, give them all the devices they want,
Speaker 2: let them watch on less hours of TV and play
Speaker 2: video games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great, great summary to help people set
Speaker 1: them up for what to do before medication and what
Speaker 1: are some of the long term effects of leaving ADHD untreated.
Speaker 2: It's so sad because it's basically the big issues in
Speaker 2: our society from school failure, drug abuse, divorce, bankruptcy, incarceration, homelessness,
Speaker 2: And if we've looked more at the brain, we'd go
Speaker 2: we can do a lot better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's what the real hope is
Speaker 1: that the world can start to take it seriously and
Speaker 1: take brain health seriously. Right, If you had a hope
Speaker 1: for how we would shift the way we look at
Speaker 1: ADHD in the brain, what would that be?
Speaker 2: So I have big ideas. When I went to the
Speaker 2: White House, my friend there said, how big can you think?
Speaker 2: The first thing I would do is rename the National
Speaker 2: Institute of Mental Health to the National Institute of Brain
Speaker 2: and Mental Health. I get the brain involved, like stop
Speaker 2: calling people mental shames people at stigmatizing. It's wrong. I
Speaker 2: declare the next ten years the Decade of Brain Health,
Speaker 2: and get really serious about what goes into children's minds.
Speaker 2: It needs to be curated to be appropriate and to
Speaker 2: be helpful.
Speaker 1: Who else his brain?
Speaker 2: Have you not scanned that you'd love to scan the president's?
Speaker 2: I wrote an op ed piece in the La Times
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight unscanning presidential candidates. You know
Speaker 2: someone has the nuclear codes, don't we at least want
Speaker 2: to know about the health of their brain? Like the
Speaker 2: last election, I would have loved to scan both President
Speaker 2: Biden and now President Trump.
Speaker 1: What would you expect to see in both of this?
Speaker 2: From your perception, I think with President Biden there were
Speaker 2: clear cognitive issues. Well, I don't think i'd see a
Speaker 2: healthy brain. President Trump, I'm much more curious now. I
Speaker 2: know I'll get a lot of hate for this, but
Speaker 2: I'm very interested in resilience for someone who is the
Speaker 2: most popular person or one of them in the world.
Speaker 2: Before he ran for president, right, the Apprentice had gone
Speaker 2: for fourteen seasons and he was beloved by so many people,
Speaker 2: and then he was demonized and then he was falsely accused,
Speaker 2: he was impeached, he was tempted, assassination, indictments, convictions, and
Speaker 2: it's like, how do you show up every day? Right?
Speaker 2: You and I off the podcast we're talking about worldwide
Speaker 2: shame and how some people just causes them to disappear. Well,
Speaker 2: he didn't disappear, and you know, he's still fighting every day.
Speaker 2: So I'm really interesting. Seriously, I'm not sure I've seen
Speaker 2: a brain quite like.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: Elon Muss would be interesting. And I've scanned many high
Speaker 2: profile geniuses. I got to scan Muhammad Ali, which.
Speaker 1: At what point on his journey was that.
Speaker 2: Later and so you could clearly see the damage. I
Speaker 2: have lots of really fascinating scans.
Speaker 1: Doctor D lame. And I've got a few more questions
Speaker 1: that I want to leave people with to summarize some
Speaker 1: of our conversation today, to really leave them feeling energized, positive,
Speaker 1: hopeful about their journey with ADHD, whether they have it
Speaker 1: individually or they have it through someone that they love
Speaker 1: in their life. And the first question is, for those
Speaker 1: who do have ADHD, what are some great hacks for
Speaker 1: someone struggling with ADHD to be more organized, to be better.
Speaker 1: What would you suggest for them? What can they do?
Speaker 2: So the first thing when you get up, try to
Speaker 2: do some form of exercise because that will help turn
Speaker 2: your brain on.
Speaker 1: Why does exercise help turn the brain does?
Speaker 2: It increases serotonum but also increases dopamine, and it increases
Speaker 2: blood flow to your prefrontal cortex. For those people who
Speaker 2: live in colder climates, get a light box. A light
Speaker 2: box with ten thousand lucks, so that's the intensity has
Speaker 2: been found not only to help seasonal depression, it helps
Speaker 2: with focus, memory, energy, and it will help promote sleep.
Speaker 2: Make sleep a priority. Too often when you have ADHD,
Speaker 2: you're more awake at night. You know, our society we
Speaker 2: have bias against night owls, so morning larks. Our society
Speaker 2: is geared to praise them and often find a job
Speaker 2: that fits your circadian rhythm. But sleep is a priority.
Speaker 2: And if you snore, get checked for sleep apnea. So
Speaker 2: kids who snore sleep apnia maybe the cause of their ADHD.
Speaker 2: That is treatable.
Speaker 1: And what's the most important thing that someone with ADHD
Speaker 1: needs to hear?
Speaker 2: You are not stuck with the brand new You can
Speaker 2: make it better. Think of it like glasses, right, people,
Speaker 2: you remember I told you about Sandy and joining her
Speaker 2: scans and she starts to cry, and I'm like, having
Speaker 2: ADD is like people need glasses. They're not dumb, crazier, stupid.
Speaker 2: Their eyeballs are shape funny. We wear glasses to focus.
Speaker 2: People have add are not dumb, grazier, stupid. Their frontal
Speaker 2: lobes just don't turn on when they need to, and
Speaker 2: the medicine or supplements or neurve feedback helps turn it
Speaker 2: on so you can focus and be who you really
Speaker 2: are when your brain works right. People go, I don't
Speaker 2: want to take medicine because I don't want to be
Speaker 2: someone different. It's like, but don't do you want to
Speaker 2: be who you are when your brain is fully functioning.
Speaker 2: I want to be who I am when my brain
Speaker 2: is fully online.
Speaker 1: As always, doctor Danny name and I appreciate conversations so
Speaker 1: much I get I feel like, whenever I'm with you,
Speaker 1: I learned to see everything so differently and deeply and
Speaker 1: as a three sixty degree view. I think we're so
Speaker 1: used to in our society to see one aspect of
Speaker 1: something or have a very limited understanding of the different
Speaker 1: issues that we see. And whenever I speak to you,
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh wow, I have the much more
Speaker 1: broader contextual view of it, and whenevery I'm at home,
Speaker 1: who's listening or watching, whether you're on a walk, whether
Speaker 1: you're at the gym. Doctor Danielaman has one of his
Speaker 1: books which is called Healing add the breakthrough program that
Speaker 1: allows you to see and heal the seven types of
Speaker 1: add that we discussed in today's episode. So I highly
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Speaker 1: you wanted to share that I didn't ask you about,
Speaker 1: or anything that is on your mind or heart right now.
Speaker 2: I'm just so grateful for you, you know. I love
Speaker 2: the idea that we can train our brains that focus
Speaker 2: on what you want way more than what you don't want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Thank you. If you love this episode,
Speaker 1: you'll enjoy my interview with doctor Daniel Ahman on how
Speaker 1: to change your life by changing your brain.
Speaker 2: If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with
Speaker 2: a healthy brain. You know. I've had the blessing or
Speaker 2: the curse to scam over one thousand convicted felons and
Speaker 2: over one hundred murderers, and their brains are very damaged.