WEBVTT - Technology is Making Legends Real 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.680 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:09.080 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.159 learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:17.560 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.400 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:30.640 my name is Noah. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.520 They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.559 super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:38.640 are you. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:39.400 You are here. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.440 That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.479 We are recorded on Monday, March thirtieth. This should come 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.960 out a little bit after that. And frankly, we're not 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.040 sure how much this is going to how much this 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.080 information will change over time. This is a thought experiment. 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.279 This is a really weird one that's captivated us for 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.640 a while. Now. Gentlemen, I ask you, do you have 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.559 a favorite monster? Do you have a favorite legend? Fairy tale? 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:11.360 Tall tale? 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.520 It changes week to week, okay, depending on I was 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.640 just a monster of the week reference, No favorite monster, Jeez, Louise, 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.280 I really like the that guy you. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:26.679 Know, that guy yeah from earlier? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:27.640 like Him's. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.200 Pall del Toro creation for what that is? 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.000 Pan's Labyrinth? I would have expected it. 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:33.320 Thank you. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:37.800 Also, whatever the death demon kind of grim reaper guy 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:39.679 at the end of that is with the crazy wings. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.840 Love that one. Also love a lot of the monsters 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.400 in Scrooged. I just really dig the design of the 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:47.680 Scrooged monsters. 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.480 Scrooge is great, I guess, go wrong with practical effects. Okay, 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.280 so Ghost, what about you, Matt. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:58.080 Does something like the Philosopher's Stone fits like the legendary thing. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:00.560 Chemical? 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.240 Yes, a crossover for sure. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:06.360 And those ancient concepts of alchemy that you could somehow, 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.720 through man's ingenuity and a little bit of magic, change 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:15.600 one substance into another. And we just saw that occur. Guys, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.240 it really happened at the LHC. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.440 Yes it has. Yeah, we're talking about the old legends 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:28.560 of transmutation, right, and alchemy is of course the granddaddy 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:33.000 of modern chemistry. So not all of it was what 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.840 we would call bunked intoday's secular world. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.639 No, but but the concept of turning lead like directly 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.000 into gold was crazy. And we see now that at 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:46.480 the LHC, guys led to eight, a nucleus of one 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.320 of those was turned into a gold two O five 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.760 nucleus for about ten to the negative twenty three seconds. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:55.800 Wait a minute, and then I just switched it flipped back. 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.320 Yes, h Jim Carrey and dumb and dumber saying you're 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:00.880 saying there's a. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:02.880 Chance, the chance there is, there's a chance. 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.440 Yeah, this is a pretty bizarre proposition for us, folks, 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.040 the larger idea. It's a little bit different from some 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.880 of our usual episodes. If you remember, as you're thinking 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.519 and hanging out with us today, you remember all those 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:22.080 stories of monsters and myths and legends throughout history. Tonight 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.240 we are asking something that's been on our collective minds 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.560 and a bit of an obsession. What if technology is 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:35.559 making some of these old supernatural things in practice reality. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:37.560 I say we get into it. 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.680 We must the first to quick word from a sponsor. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.800 Okay, So, if I'm you audience member and I'm I'm 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.400 listening to this, my first question is, what the heck 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:56.640 are these guys talking about? What do we mean like 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.200 we're describing a general thing. All those old fairy tales 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.520 you heard, all those legends, those monster stories, whether it 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:12.520 be jin or vampires, or shape shifterschnanthropes, cryptids, zombies. Most 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:16.760 people have some kind of favorite monster like to your 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.760 point in old Maybe it's a passing fancy, or maybe 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:24.240 it's just a certain genre of film that they would 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.760 enjoy in the realm of fantasy or horror. So some 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:33.840 people love vampire films, right, some people love undead or 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:35.799 walking dead zombie films. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.200 You know, I'm quite partial to the hell Raiser universe, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.960 even though maybe only two of those movies are watchable. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:47.520 I just love the Clive Barker snme you know, cenebite designs. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.320 That always creaked me out the most of all films, 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:51.680 I think, truly. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.120 I did the whole plant pain is pleasure thing. It 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.680 just gives me the heby gbis. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.480 The hell Bound Heart, the novel that the Birth of 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.480 franchise is such a banger. Flive Barker is such a 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.839 brilliant weird dude. He actually wrote speaking of legends and 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.159 tall Tales. He wrote what I think is one of 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.279 the best young adult fiction books. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.640 Oh, the Thief of Always out There. It is the 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.920 Thief of All Noise. If you haven't read it, read 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:19.400 it now. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:20.800 It is God good. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:25.320 It's got like big roll doll energy, oh in a way, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.159 and it's like Neil Gaiminy and it's just very very good, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.680 and it's illustrated, and the illustrations are also phenomenal. That's 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.400 a long time favorite of mine. Then I haven't thought 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:35.080 about that in a minute. 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:41.080 Clive Barker is also a well known visual artist and illustrator. 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.520 Any super into mythology, And yes, you should read Thief 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.640 of Always Again. It'll take you like an afternoon. It 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:54.080 is a stem disterned banger like Missy Elliott's Flip It 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.000 and Reverse It. So those are kind of on equal 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.960 on par in the Western camp. And we could say, 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.200 but you know, what I was thinking about, guys, is 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.560 that we look back at these things we call myths 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:14.720 and the supernatural, and sometimes we make this unfair assumption 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:22.360 that humans of civilization's past were somehow less intelligent than 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:27.880 modern humanity. And part of that is because they believed 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:33.279 a lot of stuff that current humanity has concluded is 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.480 not true. Like for much of human history, a lot 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.960 of people genuinely believed in the things we call myths. 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.880 Like you're in Greco Roman society. You think Apollo is 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.919 a real dude and not just the charming dog that 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:49.880 appears on our show. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.520 Sometimes mm hmm, I tell you that Apollo has got 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.000 an arch nemesis out in the world named Zeus. 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.799 You did, yeah, dog, Yeah. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:01.039 They're bitter rivals. Aren't those related? Are the same pantheon? 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.040 Or is a aren't they kind of equal like Apollo? No, 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.720 Apollo is like the Messenger. No, that's Mercury. Gosh darn it, I'm. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:09.520 Scanning it all up. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.280 Well, there's idea. 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.000 There's analogous gods and various pantheons. But to your point, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.280 that's part of this too, right, the parallel thinking of 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:22.040 personifying fears, hopes, and dreams and need for the environment 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.520 to do things that we need it to do through 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:29.800 various deities and creatures and creations of fantasy that ultimately 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.760 represent very real parts of being human. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.880 Oh, one hundred percent and well put. I also side note, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.400 agree with your earlier theory that there is a trend 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:49.000 of small canines getting named after phenomenally dangerous Greco Roman gods. Yeah. Like, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:54.000 we can still see traces of these earlier beliefs, this 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.360 literalism applied to the supernatural. We can still see it 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:03.480 in the four of superstitions today. I think a lot 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:08.440 of people, a lot of humans have their own private superstitions. 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.280 You know, what are you touch with your left hand 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.160 versus your riot, etc. Those things that we treat as 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:18.760 silly but quietly reaffirming. Hot take the atheist in the crowds, 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.760 and I are going to argue that religion itself as 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.680 a concept is a vestigial thing and artifact of the 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:31.640 time when the majority of human beings literally believed in magic. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.880 I don't know if I agree with it. We're not 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.720 here to denigrate people's personal beliefs or faith. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.000 Well, that is an interesting point, though, Ben, because the 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.719 question then, for me becomes is modern religious belief and 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.640 faith a form of belief in magic? Because I think 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.000 there might be some devout religious folks who would consider 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:56.080 that to be blasphemy, that magic ain't part of the equation, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:00.720 that it's divine influence, and that calling it is in 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:05.040 some way dismissive or less lessening of it in its gravity. 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:11.880 One hundred percent, because for many different religions, the idea 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:16.400 of magic is kind of hacking reality in a way 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.160 that goes against the divine right. So look no further 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.560 than the Christian Bible and what it has to say 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:28.600 about witches. But for us here March thirtieth twenty twenty six. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.520 Our main thing as a show is to believe what 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.040 you want. As long as you are not forcing those 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.120 beliefs on other people, and as long as you are 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:42.360 not using your beliefs to harm other people or to 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.120 harm yourself, go nuts with it. Roll the dice, think, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.480 do as thou wilt. Nobody has a universal answer at 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.640 this point, and people from the ancient past were being 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.800 post by cameral mind theory. People from the ancient past 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.080 were pretty much this same as people of the modern day. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.280 The same hardware, the same basic needs, and the same 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.240 urge to explain the world in which they lived. That's 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.640 why today's scholars and we don't have to get two 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.440 into the academic weeds here. Today's scholars see a lot 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:22.160 of real world efficacy in the legends of old So, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:27.200 for example, we all remember warnings about boogeymen or child 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:33.280 snatching monsters in the wild that literally helped make sure 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.199 that children didn't go too far into the woods. Because 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.960 it might not be like a magical ogre or a 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.040 what's a fun monster? 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:45.600 No, we can do better. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.000 We can do I think we do better. Something weird, 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.560 like a wear badger or something it's not that that's 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.720 going to kill you in the woods. It's a kid 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.600 dropping into a creek that's deeper than it looks or 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.320 breaking their leg were. 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.319 Glassy for that, you need to deploy Lassie to the scene. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.120 That's a good note. We need to figure out when 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:06.720 border colleagues became a thing. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.320 Yeah, and all these wells everywhere that little kids are 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.839 getting trapped in. Matt you got you got a fun 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:14.880 a fun hybrid monster. 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.920 A creature from the badger lagoon. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:23.120 Love it had no notes. Uh we we all terrifying lagoon. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.960 It's a weird po badger like in the scenario of 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.160 badgers and bags like that's yea. The implication is that 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:31.800 that's not good. 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.280 If it's in a bag, it's a secret it's contained. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.480 Okay, yeah, yeah, But the thing is all badgers are 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.040 not created. Equals shout out to the honey badger and 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.360 shout out to the civilian badger, honey badger. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.920 The important thing is that the bag man knows that 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.800 the badgers are in there, but anybody observing the badger 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.520 from the outside has no idea. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.280 But gosh, I'm the badger, I'm the bagg We all know. Yeah, 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.520 that's record, thank you. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:03.480 So we also see other efficacy of these stories humanity 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:08.680 told itself, because all human beings, you're essentially a story 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:13.080 that you're telling yourself. Their myths about things like changelings, 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:17.360 remember those. I'm not referencing the horror film Changeling, but 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:21.959 the I think it's the Irish tradition, Irish Scottish UK 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:27.480 tradition that infants might be switched out shortly after birth 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.720 by fairy folks un sealy, yeah, yeah. And then these 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:39.679 non human children, these changelings were sickly right, they were 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:44.840 doing not well and they often died. Folkloreists believed that 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:50.520 this was an attempt to explain otherwise inexplicable childhood ailments, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.160 medical conditions, and. 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.720 Well, dude, I mean like crib deaths are caught death sudden. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.360 We still barely and understand what causes that. And there's 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.720 a name for it, but it's like a very mysterious 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.160 phenomenon stealth. I'm not mistaken. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.040 Well, ye's sudden infindeesth syndrome. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.200 And there are all kinds of rituals you have to 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.800 take part in to increase the chances that your child 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.240 doesn't experience that or you know you won't wake up 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.920 one night and that is happening, or you know it 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.280 is weird stuff about how to arrange pillows and what 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.560 to put in the crib or keep out of the crib. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.440 It is ritualized in an interesting way. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:28.280 Do y'all remember the Chuck Pallinik novel Lullaby. Yes, that 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.000 was like and not to spoil anything, but that attempted 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.440 to tell a story explaining crib death, associating it with 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.840 I think certain voodoo rituals and the idea that it 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.839 could be brought upon somebody, you know, from an enemy 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:42.600 or a nemesis. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:48.800 Like the earlier legends, Lullaby is acknowledged to be a 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:53.959 work of fiction. I think what we're saying is, look, folks, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.200 even if you personally do not believe in the supernatural, 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.160 even if you see yourself as the most skeptical secular 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:07.240 thing walking the planet Earth, there is no denying that 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:13.640 these stories, these perspectives for reality, had a significant and 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.600 positive effect on a lot of the societies in which 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.720 they were created. Of course, not always. Countless innocent people 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:26.480 have been, you know, tortured and murdered for religion from 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:33.400 Aztec human sacrifices to the actions of extremist terrorists today, 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.120 who are very upfront that they are murdering people for 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.240 religious ideology. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.520 And for potential rewards in the afterlife. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.960 Right, Yeah, that is the case. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:45.240 Right. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:50.960 No one has conclusively scientifically proven the existence of an 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:56.280 afterlife just yet. Anyway, the setup here is that we 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.920 want to acknowledge as a result of these key social functions, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:07.400 this need to understand and explain reality. It's frankly pretty 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.200 difficult to imagine a human world that does not have 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.760 some sort of belief in the supernatural, even if it's 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:19.640 only an artifact or of this stigial thing from earlier civilizations, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.920 like superstition. Do you guys practice any superstitions that you're 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.200 comfortable sharing on air? 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:31.120 Not really, But Ben, this whole topic reminds me of 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.400 a Stephen King novel that I have not personally read. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.320 But there's this wonderful Stephen King podcast called Just King Things. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.280 Or they're going through this whole bibliography or whatever canon, 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:42.920 you know, one at a time, and they just got 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.360 to the book Revival, which I have not read, and 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.000 it sounds like a banger, and I don't mind spoilers, 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.040 so I definitely listen to the whole discussion, but it 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:56.880 revolves around the idea of spiritual technology, or of this 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:01.480 idea of electricity being this nant of like a dead 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.920 god in some ways that was left behind for humans 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.160 to wield, and the antagonist of the whole story is 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.880 attempting to figure out if there is an afterlife through 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:15.720 experimentation using electricity or technology. Things like Jacob's Ladders. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.920 Beautiful, that's perfect, that's perfect reference. That's also I agree 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:24.000 with you. That is a banger. That is also one 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.440 of the Bleaker King novels. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.360 But the long line of Bleak King novels, that's saying 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:30.680 a lot. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:37.880 Yeah, the idea that electricity is somehow Promethean remnant of 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.920 a an earlier thing. But oh man, ooh dude, just 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:47.560 text me when when you read that, because sound good. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:52.000 Yeah, because you're going to be depressed. Well, I'm interested 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:53.640 in your thoughts on this. Not to derail, but the 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:55.520 one of the hosts of that show says he doesn't 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.080 care about spoilers because he thinks that a work of 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.120 literature should work whether not you know what's going to 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.040 happen or not. And I tend to agree with that. 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:04.920 Spoilers don't really bother me either. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.760 One hundred percent. Yeah, you guys know that I usually 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:13.560 welcome spoilers. I can't remember what put said it, but 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.520 a good book is like a house, right, It's like 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.280 a nice house. You become familiar, you walk through your 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.359 favorite rooms, you admire the view. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:28.800 I'm gonna push back, guys, sorry. I think if you 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.440 know how something's gonna end, it really does take away 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.600 from the in the moment, true experience that you have. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.240 I agree, I will agree with you in their respect. 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.120 There's a certain element of surprise and twists and excitement 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.199 you can only experience once. But then the question becomes 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.879 does that mean you're not a rewatcher or a rereader 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.840 and does revisiting something have no value to you? No? 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.560 I just you should definitely rewatch. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.280 Okay, cool, coo cool. So there's two different things. And 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.720 I'm not saying that it's not an awesome experience to 0:17:58.040 --> 0:17:59.720 not know the twist and to be surprised like that. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.119 I'm just saying the work should also stand alone. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.000 I agree. I do agree. Just as a case in point, 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:10.480 just watched last one laughing on somewhere that you can 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.199 find it and it's a. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:16.040 Bunch of British delightful humans, right like it is. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.520 But the second season was first in the order. And 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.440 I watched the first episode of the second season and 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.480 somebody on that season was from the first one because 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.479 they had won the first season. I went, oh, crap. 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.639 I didn't realize that. So I went back and then 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.919 watched the whole first season and I was aware of 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.159 who won the whole time. Which took it. Didn't ruin it, 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.040 but it took away that little It's like a little 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.560 spice that you get in the experience. That's all I'm saying. 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.320 I'm with you, man, I understand what you mean. I 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:47.760 feel I would feel the same way if I know 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.560 who is going to win the Great British Baking Show. 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.200 And yeah, again, you know your beliefs are your own, folks. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.360 We're not going to tell you one is better than 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:55.720 the other. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.639 I am. I'm saying that. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.840 Spoil again. As long, like I said earlier, as long 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.840 as you don't harm other people with your personal beliefs, 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.840 do as thou wilt. So in this case, harming other 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:15.120 people with your personal beliefs would be telling people who 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:19.360 don't care for spoilers. A spoiler right, that's unfair to. 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.360 This it's removing agency from the individual. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.160 Right, Yeah, that's a good way to put. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:24.639 It, by just popping it on them. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:24.879 You know. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.960 It's it's absolutely non consensual, and we don't like that. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.000 We tried very hard to always do spoiler alerts, even 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:32.120 if it's older. 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.560 Even if it's older. Yeah, yeah, Ford Theater, Abraham Lincoln 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.680 three two one, and we'll count it down. 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.080 But enjoined the show. It was a delightful performance. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:45.920 Yeah. Other than that, missus Lincoln, Uh, don't help these 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:47.920 why does good? 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:48.200 You know? 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.200 So the thing is here though, Also, if you are 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.639 a person who enjoys spoilers, there's nothing wrong with you. 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.119 That's how you experience realities. Don't let people detegrate you, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.719 you know. The The big thing here is that, speaking 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.199 to spoilers, the majority of the world, I think we 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:11.840 can agree, is increasingly secular, right, increasingly dismissive of those 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.440 things we called legends and took literally once upon a time, 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:21.040 there's scientific inquiry. Right, it's a shining lighthouse that has 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.840 revealed to a degree the hidden clockwork and mechanism of 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:29.600 the universe or universes. Right, This is why we know 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:35.560 that change leans were most likely unfortunate human children suffering 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.120 from varieties of ailments that can now many of which 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:43.359 can now be easily cured through modern medicine. But to 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:50.080 the LHC comment earlier, we know that scientific inquiry tends 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.440 to create at least as many questions as it answers, 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.919 right like how long can we make lead gold? You know, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.960 if we really we eate a black hole? What happens next? 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.240 If we send a bunch of antimatter down the road 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.080 on a huge semi truck, what happens? Are we going 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:08.639 to be okay? 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:09.080 Well? 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.560 And then the question becomes, are a lot of these 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.879 things like the large Hadron Collider and some of the 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.720 experiments going on there things that we shouldn't be messing with? 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:21.840 Is that an example of us being Promethean and meddling 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.640 with the fabric of reality in a way that is potentially, 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.480 you know, catastrophic. I'm not saying that that's true. I 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.600 think there are some people that might say that that's 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:35.040 the case, that it's in some way, you know, fiddling 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.560 with God's plan or you know, something that something larger 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.639 than us that we should just have full belief and 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:42.880 faith in would not have wanted us to mess. 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:47.360 With perfect, perfect, and well put, because every single technological 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:54.119 innovation of significance in human civilization will ultimately in some 0:21:54.280 --> 0:22:00.560 way challenge pre existing frameworks for interacting with reality. That's 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.240 an overly fancy way to say it, but it does 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.840 hold true. I mean, maybe it is time again for 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:13.480 humanity to reframe its collective perspective and ask not just 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:22.320 whether science is disproving the supernatural, but whether these technological 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:27.120 breakthroughs are making some of those old legends, some of 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:33.800 that old magic real in practice, like making it reality. 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.480 Can I just say this is fun. I'm excited about this. 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.240 We're going to take a pause for the full moon, 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.040 We'll have a light transformation, and we'll be right back. 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.280 Here's where it gets crazy. 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:55.320 Okay. First off, hope everybody had a good break. We 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.840 don't always do the breaks on Detflix, but guys, how 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:00.600 is your where we'll that break? 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:01.440 Had a good howl? 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:02.680 You had a good howl? 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:09.520 Mm hmm, fantastic. I feel utterly psychopathic, oh boy? 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:15.520 Uh yeah, And check out our episode on any Psychosis. 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.439 As wild and psycho. 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.400 And then every Cryptid episode we've done. We've done so many. 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:25.439 I revisited some of those guys, and we were on 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.080 one a couple times. We're really good at those. 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.640 Well, now, Matt jumping back onto that you're talking about 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:32.879 this idea of like full moon fever or like the 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.239 idea of where we'll is sort of being created as 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.080 a myth because of the fact that there are instances 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.800 of people going cuckoo for cocoa puffs when the moon. 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:44.119 Gosh, yeah, that was an old, old, old video we 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:47.040