WEBVTT - PENTATONIX 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:08.320 Hello there. You know what it feels like every single 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.880 time I welcome you to my podcast Loves Someone, I 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.960 say in one way or another that today's episode holds 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:20.000 a special treat. Well, that's because every single time we 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.600 do a new episode, it's a treat for me. So 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:29.680 many fantastic guests, so many great topics, so much inspiration. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.080 Today is no different. I'm so excited to be welcoming 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.879 today's guest, all four of them, to this program. This 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.280 group is recently celebrated an important anniversary. It's been ten 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.360 years since they burst upon the scene with an appearance 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:50.640 on NBC's Vocal competition The sing Off. They wowed the 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.720 crowd and the judges with the rendition of Lady Gaga's telephone, 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.560 going on to win the twenty eleven season title. Since then, 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.520 they've been a staple on a C radio and you've 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.959 heard a lot of them on The Delilah Show, especially 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.760 at Christmas time. For those of you familiar with my 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:14.360 twelve stockings of Christmas sweepsteaks, you'll know I always try 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.080 to include their Christmas e d because it is just 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.960 so so so good. I love to share the joy 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.760 of their music. I'm talking of course of the fabulous 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:31.039 acapella phenomenon Pentatonics, and we will be right back talking 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.200 with this group we got Scott, Mitch, Kirsten and Matt. 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As I was saying earlier, we 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.160 are so very blessed to have the group Pentatonics on 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:34.520 this episode of Loves Someone. There are not many people 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.120 or groups that I fan geek about after you know, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.400 forty seven years on the air, but you guys, you 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.919 guys are an exception to that. I am fan geeking 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:50.399 bad right now because I've watched you. Um, just like 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.080 when you first started out, there were so many people 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:58.600 in my industry going what is this? And it's hard 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:03.720 to describe it is once people started listening to the music, 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.480 they were all hooked. All of the naysayers were hooked. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.639 And so it's been really exciting to see your trajectory 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:16.720 over the years and what kind of felt like, um, 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:21.000 the underdog in the beginning has turned into you guys 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:25.640 are on top of the world. Oh. Thanks, I mean, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.680 does it feel that way to you? Does it feel 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:33.360 like like you're finally getting the recognition and the um, 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.080 I don't want to say accolades, but the respect. Yeah, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.200 it definitely feels like we've we've got the respect from 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.680 the industry more so than we we than in the beginning. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.560 But I still do feel like we have that twinge 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.400 of underdog vibe to us. Do you think it's a 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.120 cappella or do you think it's the fact that you 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.200 guys don't let anyone put you in a corner? Oh? 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.000 I like that. I'd say a little bit about what 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.480 any knows there anything we've ever gotten. We always try 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.520 to strive through them and work work harder. Um, I 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.800 think it's contributed greatly to our work ethic. Um, We're 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.520 always just trying to move on to the next, you know, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.040 and keep climbing. Kirsten, who is the one in the 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.440 group that actually loves the nose. I love the nose. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.919 I mean, I think it inspires all of us. You know, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.560 I think opportunities inspire us, but also the nose inspire 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.560 us to work harder. Um. You know, we're very close 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.760 knit as a band, and I feel like every time 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.599 we've gotten them, we're always like, Okay, what can we 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.560 do to not let that happen next time? Or how 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.679 can we achieve higher? Or what opportunity can we create 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.200 that's not that one, but we'll do the same thing. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.760 Like I really think that we're it's a big group 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.960 effort to take on those nose and those yeses. And 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.320 that's that's the beauty of a team. I think too. 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.000 It's like to have your teammates you come alongside of 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.440 each other and we go no, we we believe in 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.360 this together and we're gonna go for it. How many 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.440 years have you been this team? We just had our 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.880 tenure anniversary like a few days ago. It's been fun 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:02.239 to watch you grow up. It really has more from 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:10.640 these kind of nervous kids to really beautiful, powerful artists 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.040 in your own rights and the group as a whole. 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.280 Thank you so much. Yeah, I mean it did. We 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.560 were we were just kids when we started out. Sometimes 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:25.159 we still feel like kids, you know. But I think 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.840 what I'm still shocked by, what I'm still amazed by, 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:32.600 is the fact that we just jumped into it um 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.839 and really just didn't let anything rock the boat too much. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.800 We just kept pushing forward. It's like what you were 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.960 talking about with liking to hear knows um. There was 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.680 something that we felt we had to prove, and I 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.000 think when we got rejected it just made us work 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.480 ten times harder to prove everyone wrong. So tell tell 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:56.160 my listeners who don't know the Pentatonic story how this group, 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.240 how the the how each of you were kind of 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:04.080 woven together because it started out as a couple of friendships, right. Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.599 So here's like the abridged version. So Kirstie, Mitch and 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.800 I we grew up together in Arlington, Texas to choir 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.039 in theater, and then we all went off to like 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.640 separate places, which was in high school. Kurst he went 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.320 to college in Oklahoma, I went to California and then 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.200 we all decided to reunite for the show called the 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.240 sing Off, which was an acapella competition show, and we 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:23.839 were going to do it, the three of us, but 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:25.640 they were like, you're gonna need a beatboxer in a base. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.880 So we found Um, our beatboxer on YouTube and are 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.800 based their mutual friend Um and then five years in 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.400 our base went off to do solo stuff, so we 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.719 found Matt and yeah, that's the story of Pentatonics. You know, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.520 I'm a mom with a lot of kids, and several 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.520 of them, for five of them at least have been 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.600 the choir kids. You know, the I would say, goofy 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:51.560 choir kids because that's kind of what they're labeled at school. 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.840 But the choir kids that they spend their lunch hour, 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.560 you know, in the choir teachers room hanging out, and 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.800 you know, they they would travel, They went to Disneyland, 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.520 they performed there, they did all the choir kid things. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:10.080 And that's that's what you three were exactly that the 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.360 best teacher would let us practice our little trio thing 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.880 and take us from classes and then she would let 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.120 us like perform. So are you still close with your 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.280 choir teacher, your choir directors. Yeah, now we see her 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.120 every time we go back to Texas. Is she's so 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:31.280 proud of you that like she can't stand it? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.160 she's very proud, proud. Mama's great and for Christmas concert. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:36.920 At the past couple of times, we've had our old 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.920 choir from Martin High School open for us at our 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.600 Texas shows, which was a really cool full circle moment. 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.960 How fun would that be to film you guys, with 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.960 your old choir teacher in your old choir opening up 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.760 the concert. That would be so much fun. Oh yeah, 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.280 I love that. I think everybody in life has some 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.720 of those little full circle moments, like, Um, a girl 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.360 and went to high school with ran into a guy 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:08.200 at our tenure reunion and the sparks flew And now 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.720 they've been married for years and years and raised children, 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.080 special kids they adopted, and I'm like, Wow, if you 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.960 hadn't come back for that class reunion. Ginger and Dan, 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:23.120 who knows what would have happened. We were just talking 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.720 about people that say no, And for me, I was 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.920 probably in my forties before I realized how much I 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.480 love that. I mean, I do love that. I love 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.680 when people underestimate me, especially as somebody who um sings 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.120 a foundational part of acapella. It's and a lot of 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.000 acapella and some a lot of base and you know, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.240 it's not the flashiest thing. It's not the most impressive 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.439 and most important thing all the time. Wait wait, wait, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.199 wait wait wait. If this house didn't have a foundation 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.920 on it, would my house stand very long? That's true 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.560 that you have to have a firm foundation for whatever 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:04.040 you're doing and life, in relationships and especially in music. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:09.760 So it might not be flashy, um, but dang, it 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.920 wouldn't be if there wasn't a firm foundation. Absolutely definitely 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:22.680 necessary and solid. Well, thank you when someone tells me 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.120 and and Scott, I know this about you too, when 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:30.200 somebody decides to underestimate me or judge me for whatever reason. 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.160 And I realized that's with the place where it's coming from. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.360 I mean, some people are just ignorant, but some people 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:43.480 judge me. That just gets me so excited in the 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:49.200 same way. Then you guys have faced some big challenges. Yeah, 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.960 I think I think we've really become so tough over 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.440 the years. I think maybe or speaking from personal experience 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.000 just so sensitive. I wasn't used to hearing to hear 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.080 r no, or to hearing that I wasn't good enough 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:04.840 for something like that, because you know, we grew up 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.000 in this It's not a small town, but it's it's 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.840 in northeast Texas and it's not really like the rest 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.720 of the world. So it was kind of a culture 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.120 shock getting out there and becoming part of the music industry, 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.280 which is arguably one of the toughest um but it's 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.680 it's changed a lot of It's changed a lot of 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.960 our lives for the better. I would say each of 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.199 you can take a term best thing that thing, but 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:35.640 best element that you feel that you have grown into 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:40.400 or achieved or accepted or experienced because of that, because 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:44.200 of that adversity that you, um, you guys faced the 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:49.040 last ten years. Yeah, I think I would say resiliency 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:53.760 because just from watching Pentatonics come back time and time 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.679 again from rejection and what have you, it's you guys 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.640 should do a movie. You know that. I think you 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.200 should too. I'm not kidding because I know because I 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.680 know people in the music industry. Some of the some 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.119 of the times you've been pushed off a Cliff. Yeah, 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.280 it was nice to watch as a group. The group 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.839 unit prove itself time and time again, and it's very 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.360 inspirational to me personally. It's like, oh wow, I guess 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.360 you really can do anything that you really want and 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.760 that you go after. Now that we've chatted about the 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.800 music Pentatonics, I want to ask each of you another question. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.600 I want to know what gifts, what gifts, what little 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:37.800 treasures adversity has brought to your doors. Let's talk about 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.600 that right after I sing the praises of one of 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:45.520 my podcast sponsors. This edition of Loves Someone is sponsored 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.840 by the folks at the Home Depot. Have you had 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.600 the occasion to download their app yet? 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UM? 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:41.080 I think for me it's seeing um seeing dreams come 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:44.480 to fruition, you know, UM pentatonics, being one of them, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.120 you know, being a fan of the group before I 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.920 joined the group, and then being able to join the 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.200 group and against you know, other people that auditioned, and 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.400 people think not thinking I was good enough for you 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.280 wouldn't be able to do that and things like that, 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.199 and I'm just quietly it was like, oh no, I 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.440 definitely could do this, And when I got into the group, 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.520 it was like, oh yeah, I'm meant to be here. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.040 And so I would say my biggest thing is um 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.280 to like speak the life, speak life into people in 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.400 their dreams and and just realize that it's not it's 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.720 not so far fetched, just so unattainable, and like people 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.439 are just the people that are putting you down, or 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.240 it's like the own reflection of themselves that they'red's like 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.920 a mirror thing, you know, you hear all the time, 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.200 but it's just like they they're just they're just cranky 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.199 and they hit it and then it's all really about 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.480 what they feel and they're just projecting on you. So 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.079 ignore them and just keep moving. They clearly haven't listen 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.400 to your music, because you cannot be cranky listening to Katis, 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.720 you can't jolly. It's definitely jolly. It's jolly, it's happy, 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:50.200 it's it's catchy, it's it's head popping, it's fun. I 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.160 don't even drink coffee, and I like coffee and bad, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:59.840 you know, Kurson, How about for you, what is one 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:04.959 of the best gifts are um, sweetest rewards uh that 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:09.160 you have experienced? How many times have you guys had 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.680 to pick yourself up, dust yourself off and say we're 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.600 not giving up? Yeah? A lot of times. I Mean, 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.680 I think resilience is is a great is like the 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.680 key word. But overall, I just feel like incredibly rounded 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.640 based on all the things that we've had to overcome. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.240 We've had so many challenges musically and live just getting 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.440 through the process. Um. So you know, I think we 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.880 all wear many hats and it's so fortunate that we 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:35.720 get to do this together because we get to lead 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.320 on each other as well in times of adversity. UM. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.400 But you know we're not only arrangers and performers and singers, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.680 were also like mediators and business people and entrepreneurs and 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.320 this we've just been through such a journey that I 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.880 really just feel like it's taught me so much. I 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.040 have so much understanding and compassion for different people. You 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.480 have to work with five different people every day. It's 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.160 not just like a solo career about you. So I 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.680 just feel like overall, I've just I feel very rounded, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.760 and I feel like it's so shaped me and to 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.000 be the person I am today and how I understand 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.840 and um take things on. So Scott, yeah, I agree 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.360 with everything everyone has said. I think a huge thing 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.200 that Pentatonics has done for me and like all the 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.480 overcoming of obstacles, it's given me a lot of authentic 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:29.080 self love and authentic confidence. Um, because we have been told, no, 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.240 you have seen negative comments, but we've like rose to 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.960 the occasion time and time again for so many years. 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.560 And um, and I'm really proud of all of our 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.400 talents and I'm really proud of everything we've achieved and 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.080 I know that every day I and I'm sure everyone 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.720 on this planet struggles with kind of like believing in yourself, 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.560 and I think the Pentatonics has really really given that 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.480 to me, which has been amazing. If I were a 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.920 movie writer and I were going to write a movie 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.560 about you five, I think it would be like a big, 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:07.400 tough circus. Well, because I grew up in a tiny 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.440 town on red Sport. I never saw you know, Barnum 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.600 and Bailey or anything, but there was a circus that 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.680 came to town, that would come to our town every year, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.360 and my dad would find out before this. The town 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.040 found out because he worked for the power company, and 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.760 so they would let him know, you know, a few 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.600 days or a few weeks in advance, so that he 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.440 could arrange to have power delivered to the field where 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.560 they would set up. And so he would let us 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.800 kids know when we would go there to meet them, 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:37.960 and they would let us help set up the tents 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.320 and everything in exchange for free tickets. I wanted to 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.920 leave with the circus so bad because not because I mean, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.400 I have no talent, so I couldn't, but but I 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:54.720 saw the love and the the camaraderie in that group 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.200 of people. You know, a couple of them were biologically related, 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:06.000 but they were the most amazing, eclectic, colorful family, you know, 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:10.000 Troubadours musician, and there was like, you know, maybe eight 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:11.879 or ten people. I don't know how many were in 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.280 the whole group, but they were so close and so 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.720 um encouraged each other's unique talents. And I see that 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.320 in you guys. Oh that's a really that's a really 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.719 cool like, I see that closeness in that family. I 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.760 I honestly thought you were siblings for the first four 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.679 or five years of your career, that Scott, you and 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:38.480 Kersen were like siblings or something. I don't know, but 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:43.920 you you, your stage presence, everything is that of siblings. Yeah, 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:45.760 well that makes a lot of sense. I mean we 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.320 even before Pentatonics, we knew each other as kids. You know, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.440 we went to school together, we did community theater together. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.200 So it's it's it's been a relationship that's been cultivating 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.680 for a really, really long time. So Matt, you're the latest, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.120 the latest. Remember what would you be in the Big Top? 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:06.000 Would you be like the circus master. I don't know 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:10.480 about the circus master. I like, like, I want to 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.879 be the fun host, and that's I know the master 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.439 does both sometimes, but like I would definitely be the 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.240 m C and like also the hype man you're bringing 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.240 every Like, I'm like, that was crazy. Could you see 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.440 that what just happened? Like nobody could do that and 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.160 you know, and just keep everybody engaged like that would 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:34.080 be so much fun. I have so enjoyed, like I said, 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:38.359 watching your career and listening to the lyrics of of 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.080 the Lucky Ones. I know that you guys, that's your life, 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.919 that's your story. It makes me emotional every time I 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.359 hear it because it does I feel like encapsulate our 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.560 story and our journey so well when you do your movie. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.520 That needs to be the title of the movie and 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:57.720 the theme song. Yes, yes, I love the lyrics, you 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:03.280 know when you talk about the struggles but and overcoming 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.120 and how you are the Lucky Ones I think. I mean, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.159 obviously you're you're blessed to have the success you have, 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.119 but being a little bit older than y'all, um, I 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.800 could be your mama. The thing that you are most 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:22.880 lucky for are the relationships that you have with each 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:29.280 other in your extended family. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, it's it's 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.840 been bonds that time and time again just have kept 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.680 us going and keep keep us lifted up and confident 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.080 in ourselves. And I think it's just love at the 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.919 end of the day. It gets you through anything. I 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.439 heard a speaker years ago. I was pregnant with Sheyla 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.800 and she's twenty six, so that's how long ago it was. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.280 He said, the end of the day, anything that you 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:54.680 are doing, putting on a production, uh, you know, working, planning, 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.399 building a house, anything that is worth doing, it's not 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.239 about the thing. It's about the relationships you're building with 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.760 the people that you are a team with. And I 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.080 stopped and I said, wait a minute, can you say 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.760 that again? And he said it again, and I wrote 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.720 it down and I went, that might be the most 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.640 important thing I have ever heard in my life to date. 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:21.520 Anything that you're doing, anything that I'm doing, it's not 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:26.120 about the thing. It's about the relationships that you're building. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.520 And you, guys, that's the best part for me is 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.920 watching that and seeing that energy with you all. Thank you. 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.000 I love that sentiment so much. That is so true, 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:40.119 really beautiful, and it's appreciation for the journey, including the 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.639 relationships the journey. And that's why those full circle moments 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.480 are even more special because they're all a part of 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:48.120 that journey too. Well. Good luck on the next phase 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:52.359 of this journey. Um My, my engineer Ryan has some 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.679 questions he wants to ask you. He's one of those 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.679 unique people that is wicked, wicked, wicked wicked smart, like 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:04.160 genius smart, like alien smart. I've known his mom since 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.560 we were kids. We grew up together in the small town, 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:10.200 his mom and I. Um but in addition to being 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:14.280 like genius smart, could build a computer, does build my computers. 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.560 He's really wicked talented. I mean when he was a kid, 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.000 he would just sit down at the piano and start playing. 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:21.320 I called his mom and said, when did you give 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.280 Ryan listen? She said, are you talking about He's never 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:25.760 had a piano list And I said, he just like 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:31.840 played a concert for us all in his head. I'm 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.440 really good at a melody, but when it comes to lyrics, 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:40.320 I get hung up on that second verse. Hump yeah, 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.399 in the same way you guys have any tricks for that. 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:47.520 Always the second verse I try to make it more 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.400 of an anecdote and like the first verses more general, 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.080 and then the second verse I try to tell a 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.000 specific story to kind of like take that song to 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.600 a more interesting level. Um, that's the same way. The 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.480 first verse is always more figure to and then the 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.120 second verse for me is more this is the message, 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:04.760 this is what I'm thinking, This is what I'm trying 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.480 to say. I think it's also okay to like step 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.760 away for a second to like if you're pouring all 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.120 your energy into it and you can't think of anything 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.119 new or you're not feeling inspired, like maybe just like 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.240 take even ten minutes to walk around, like go away 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.520 from it, because I know that always really helps me 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:22.919 if I get to invested in it, and then I'm 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.080 only shooting down like one hallway of what I think 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.880 it should be. Um, thinking a break is is really 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.520 nice to kind of refresh the brain. They can take 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.160 me a week to write a song by myself. It's 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.639 just it's it takes so long to write lyrics sometimes, 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.520 and that's okay, that's just the process. Also, you know 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:42.560 something that helps me so much, which I I never 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.280 really want to do it because it sounds like extraneous, 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:47.879 but it always works, is I was just right every 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.800 thought I'm having, no matter how trite it might be. 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.000 I just write every thought, and then when I start 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.399 to go back and look for second verse lyrics, I like, 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:56.440 have so much to pull from, and they're always better 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:57.639 than I thought they were going to be. When I 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.040 was writing them, I was like, actually, this would be 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.320 really dope lyric. Do you guys usually work independently or 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.399 do you have like writing sessions. I've got friends in 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.160