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Speaker 1: time I welcome you to my podcast Loves Someone, I

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Speaker 1: today's guest, all four of them, to this program. This

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Speaker 1: group is recently celebrated an important anniversary. It's been ten

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Speaker 1: going on to win the twenty eleven season title. Since then,

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Speaker 1: heard a lot of them on The Delilah Show, especially

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Speaker 1: at Christmas time. For those of you familiar with my

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Speaker 1: of their music. I'm talking of course of the fabulous

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Speaker 1: acapella phenomenon Pentatonics, and we will be right back talking

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Speaker 1: with this group we got Scott, Mitch, Kirsten and Matt. Today,

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Speaker 1: a world of creativity. As I was saying earlier, we

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Speaker 1: are so very blessed to have the group Pentatonics on

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Speaker 1: this episode of Loves Someone. There are not many people

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Speaker 1: or groups that I fan geek about after you know,

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Speaker 1: bad right now because I've watched you. Um, just like

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Speaker 1: And so it's been really exciting to see your trajectory

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Speaker 1: I like that. I'd say a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: my listeners who don't know the Pentatonic story how this group,

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Speaker 1: I want to know what gifts, what gifts, what little

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Speaker 1: so many because of that love, because of the joy

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Speaker 1: Ones has been out since February and is available everywhere

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