1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot im, a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Hi everybody, Hi, Hi, how are you? This is Joe Scott. 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: If you're listening to Jay dot L with my sister 4 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: friends Ad Graden Danceler, that's me and jem Peal like 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: st Clair with the pal Okay, Yeah, thought I took 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: in school was French. Oh that's nice. That's that's all 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: I know. I can tell you. I got to ask 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: you what the toilet is in a library? They tell 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: me biblio teca. It's all about the please and thank you. 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: Wherever you are, please and thank you. How got goes? Yes? 11 00:00:53,120 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: Come on, I don't know another one, don't cashine? What else? Uh? 12 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't know nothing. I just shake my head, smile 13 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: very nice, y'all so worldly. Look, you've been in all 14 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: these places to you just want paying attention child shaking 15 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: my hand. Okay. It has been a serious pleasure to 16 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: be able to travel around the world and see some things. 17 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: It's it's a it's absolutely a thing to do to 18 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: make your mind expanded. You you end up meeting all 19 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: kinds of diverse people, you know, it's it can be 20 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: an extraordinary thing. Whether you you know, got a big 21 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: budget or a little one, you know, being able to travel. 22 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: Y'all know, I grew up in North Philly and when 23 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: it was time for me to go to college was 24 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: a big deal. Like where exactly do I go? Do 25 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: I Do I go somewhere that's really really diverse in 26 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: the ways of multicultural you know, experiences that I could 27 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: possibly have a Jewish roommate or you know, somebody from 28 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: Brazil as a roommate, like all of that is so exciting, 29 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: or or do I go to HBCU, which is when 30 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: you think about it people, I think sometimes people make 31 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: it small. They're like, oh, well, it's all black people 32 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: think you'll talk about all black people. That is a 33 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: big word black, Right, that's a big word. You say 34 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: a word wall That is a word. Yeah, a big word, honey. Yeah, 35 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: that is a global word. Might sound simple, but so deep, 36 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: so so so deep. Yes, this is we're talking about 37 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: lindes of people from black people, people from other countries, 38 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: black people from Chicago, so many countries, many countries think 39 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: about like like boars could Joe, like the black guy 40 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: from what was it Germany? Germany? You never know who 41 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna meet or what you're gonna see you know, 42 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: they're just and then enriched and check this jow where 43 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: they come from, they don't have hbc U. So a 44 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: lot of times people do come from all over from 45 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: different countries here so they can experience HBCU life. So 46 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: the the big question is hbc US versus p W wise, 47 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: what's the p W glad? You asked her a predominantly 48 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: white and staten shot. Okay, you're turn like, what's an 49 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: HBCU A historically but college or university and or a university? 50 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: The very nice ladies, I'm so glad I got that. 51 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: You better. We're right, I am a graduate of one, 52 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: so yes, I yes, wow. So okay, so what was 53 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: that like? Take us back to your meeting. No, let's 54 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: take us back to your meeting with your high school 55 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: counselor Oh my god, why did you say that? Okay, 56 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell y'all the story about how I 57 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: went to an academic high school right called Benjamin Bannaker 58 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: and it was a full of black excellence. We only 59 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: had football team. The reason we had a football teams, 60 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: we're focused the agent hating because she went to the 61 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: rival high school a k A. Wilson, which the college 62 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: everything that had everything sports, music, except a high college 63 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: raid as us and had we had a pool to 64 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: next door at the you know the outdoor pool everybody 65 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: used on Georgia Avenue anyway. So look, so basically, I 66 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: went to this school and I was I used to 67 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: be I used to say I used to be smart 68 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,559 Speaker 1: because I skipped two grades. I went to high school 69 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: and I was well blah blah blah. But it caught 70 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: up with me, right. So by the time I went 71 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: to this academic high school, I chick might have got 72 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: a little lazy. She wasn't getting you know, three point 73 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: oh she was she she might have been like at 74 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: one point nine two point oh girl, you know what 75 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So so on that day. So it's funny 76 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: that Asia asked me this question because when I did 77 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: meet with my counselor, you can imagine the list of 78 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: colleges that were available to me at that point. She 79 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: would in no shade to people who went to these institutions. 80 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: But come on, let's keep it funky. She was like, 81 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, you're looking at Prague View. You know what 82 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying, You're looking at Shaw you know you're looking 83 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: this is what you're looking at, um, And I was like, 84 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: oh so. And at the time, my two of my 85 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: best friends, who are a year ahead of me, were 86 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: already in college, one at Pitzer College, a liberal arts 87 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: college in California Claremont College is and the other at 88 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: George Washington in d C. So for me it was 89 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: interesting because and again I got flight attended mommy, so 90 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: I was able to go visit them and my senior 91 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: year of high school and and see their experiences. Right, obviously, 92 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: you can tell that ain't got better raised to me 93 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: because they got into these schools, so that wasn't even 94 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: a thing. But but I was curious in the white 95 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: school experience, the p w I experience. And they went 96 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: to two different kinds of p w i's one right, 97 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: one being a liberal arts college and the other one 98 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: being Georgetown, which is, I don't what would you big. 99 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: It's like a big private institution, so it's not a 100 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: state school, but it's like it's in the hierarchy of 101 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: a lot of kids that got money, have money, white 102 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: kids like Georgetown. Really bottom line is ain't a whole 103 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: bunch of blacks there there you go there, right, So 104 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: it's ill is I'm going to visit them and seeing 105 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: their experiences, and like I went to see Pitzer and 106 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is interesting. My girlfriend, she's 107 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: held a black she goes here, she's her major is 108 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: Black anthropology, Black studies and anthropology. But she had some 109 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: interesting race situations going on at that liberal college. They 110 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: had Nazis on that campus, right, and so just living 111 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: her experience her, you know, watching her set up all 112 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: kinds of black meetings and in ciphers and stuff to 113 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: get the black folks together, and then visiting usamaca pick 114 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: up to Usamaka who was going to g W where 115 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm watching her like pledge a k A and watching 116 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: all and she went toward some race stuff too with 117 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: the white kids at that school. So I had decided 118 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: early that I between knowing that the p W eyes 119 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: are way more expensive but sorry than the HBC used 120 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: um and knowing that I could possibly going through all 121 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: that and being in this large situations, and I just 122 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, HBCU. And at the time, 123 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: I really wanted to go to Clark Atlanta, but my 124 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: grades weren't good enough, so I ended up going to 125 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: Morgan State, which was like thirty minutes away, and so 126 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: that's how I ended up going there and then transferred 127 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: to Clark Atlanta as soon as I could, like two 128 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: years later, because all my friends, all my DC friends 129 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: were at the A. U. C. Morehouse, Spellman, Clark Atlanta 130 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: and away, and I really believe as a student, I 131 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: was like, you should go away to college because able 132 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: to go home every weekend was kind of like you 133 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: ain't know, you ain't going to school for real. So 134 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: that was well, it's interesting, but I wanna circle back 135 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: to it, but I do want to put a little 136 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: pen in this one part of what you talked about. 137 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: It's just about the experience of being black and black 138 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: on the p w I campus and having to and 139 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: what ends up being the more conscious black person or 140 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: most aware or quote unquote conscious black person. You start 141 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: to see that some of the folks that come out 142 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: and do a lot of this nation work end up 143 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: coming out of those p w I where they had 144 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: to fight, when they had to fight the good fight, 145 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: as opposed to coming out of the HBCUs where you're 146 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: just like you would think in a situation where all 147 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: the black people all together, that they come out more radical. 148 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: But it seems like sometimes I've observed and obviously I'm 149 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: sure that all the HBCU people gonna kick my butt, 150 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: but I will say that I've seen that sometimes you 151 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: see that that you find a more radical result in 152 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: terms of politics, people who were involved in politics social 153 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: consciousness are black folks that come out of these p 154 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: wise because they're fighting so hard to be present in 155 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: those spaces that they get that practice. They get that practice. 156 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 1: They don't get, you know, indoctrinated into more of the 157 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, black elite for the uh, the the you 158 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: know that that kind of class structure that happens when 159 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: you come out of an HBCU sometimes. So obviously that's 160 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 1: not all the time, but I have observed that, you 161 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So everybody knows, I didn't go 162 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: to college, did not graduate high school. I end up 163 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: getting my g D. But my experience with college started 164 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: with my sister. Watching my sister go through that process 165 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: and decide to go. And I remember my mother was 166 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: in a relationship with a lovely man at the time 167 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: who was from Portland, Oregon, and he would tell my sister, 168 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, don't close off your options. My sister wanted 169 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: to go to HBC you so badly, Like she would like, 170 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: don't close off your options. And he tried to convince 171 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: her to apply to you know, George Town, to a 172 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: few other places, and you know, and and she was, 173 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, she had her mind made up. And she 174 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: ended up applying anyway to a few of the quote 175 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: unquote white schools. And but she already knew if I 176 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: get into Hampton, I'm going to Hampton. And she right, Okay, 177 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: that's not the real age. But that's a you know 178 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: what whatever with that. Okay, See, I don't I don't 179 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: get involved in that argument because it's not I don't 180 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: have a dog in the race. I don't. I do 181 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 1: enjoy the pride, though the pride is so beauty. Do 182 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: enjoy the pride until it gets way out of hand. 183 00:10:53,360 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: But she's quite beautiful. It's a football game, girl, because 184 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: it can get vicious. It can get vicious. Basically, she's like, 185 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: if I get in the Hampton, I'm going to Hampton. 186 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: As a young girl. Mean, my sister seven years apart, 187 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: witnessing her experience on that campus. And when I tell you, look, 188 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: my sister had the quintessential HBC you experienced, all right, 189 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: She was running for miss this and miss that car 190 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: going to car Nation every honey, and she was Delta. 191 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: She pledged. She did the whole girl, the whole ship 192 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: bang bang. Okay. And I remember going to watch my 193 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 1: sister cross and a little tiny thing and she was 194 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: like kind of a shy, sort of sort of perposon. 195 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: But girl, listen your experience that watchould somebody cross? You know? 196 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: Have you ever experienced watching that? Yeah, shout out to 197 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: my girlfriend Nadine who crossed Delton too. It's such an 198 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: interesting the closing, the closing thing that they do in line. 199 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: It's just so interesting. And I'm being at their roughest stint. 200 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: They ain't ut in this moment, right, is that they'd 201 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: be all dressed up at this point when they when 202 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: they come out, like when they come out when they 203 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: present the line and everything, and they all all dressed 204 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: up and they look amazing and they're singing and they 205 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: and the whole nine. Okay, that's the that's the last 206 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: last I did the night before when they outside on 207 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: the yard and they like this is yeah yeah but yeah. 208 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: So so that was my first experience like understanding what 209 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: college was like. But and I was like, well this 210 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: is if I'm gonna do it, this is what I want. 211 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: But you know, I end up getting into music business 212 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: and doing a whole other my whole life different. It 213 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: went in a completely different direction. So we already know 214 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: that it was a different world for me, you know 215 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: the tea, but it literally was a different world. I 216 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: was like, I'm doing college. It looked interesting and fun 217 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 1: and cool. I was like, oh yeah, I wasn't I 218 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: want to go to college. I didn't really think about going. 219 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't versus for me. It wasn't an HBCU versus UM, 220 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: you know, a white uh historically white whatever institution. I 221 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: don't want you all cahol it p p w I. 222 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: It wasn't that for me. It was like, one, I 223 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: don't have no money. I gotta pay you know some 224 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: I gotta pay for everything. And Temple aund the corner, 225 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: and Temple University is around the corner, so I could 226 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: stay at home and not have to, you know, have 227 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: dorm fees because I I do tell you if my 228 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: mom gave me twenty dollars for college, and how am 229 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: I going to make this this work? So for me, 230 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, I got to Temple University and then of 231 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: course we're right there in the heart of North Philadelphia. 232 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: So you know, there were students from all over the 233 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: world plus plus a lot of Temple, a lot of 234 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: Philly people, you know, a lot of Philly people, a 235 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 1: lot of DC, a lot of Maryland, a lot of 236 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: New York. You know, it was a lot of black people, 237 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: and like I was getting the best of both worlds 238 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: if you ask me. You know, Temple thinks that it's 239 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: it's an HBCU. That's not gonna say Temple. They think 240 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: it is. But you know, here's an interesting fact about 241 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: Temple is that Temple is actually the first school to 242 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: offer a PhD program in Africana studies in black stuffies. 243 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: It is they got there before Howard, they got there 244 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: before the schools. You yeah, yeah, no, I just do it, 245 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: she said, I just do it. I just do it. Yeah, 246 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's you know, but Philadelphia is just such 247 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: a big college town period though, still got a lot 248 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: of great schools out of great school even in the 249 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: surrounding area. So you know, obviously the first the first HBCU, 250 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: which is was is it is it linkol or chaining? 251 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: You better get it right, because that's all I know 252 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: oh gosh's one of those two. It's Chaney. It's Cheney. Dude, 253 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: dude looking up, you are Chris Cheney. But but but 254 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: you want a pickle sandwich. I will take a pickle 255 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: sandwich with extra mustard, please, thank you. I take a 256 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: real pickles. Oh dad, I'm sorry. I had a late 257 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: night last What a beautiful thing. Yeah, I went to 258 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: a party last night, and you know, things got a 259 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: little out of hand anyway, So uh temple right amen, um, 260 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, and what's interesting to me is 261 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: that because with my sister, my experience kind of vicariously 262 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: through her over the years had me so convinced about HBCUs. 263 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: I just never for a second thought that my children 264 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: would not attend an HBCU. Right. And then when it 265 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: came time for my son to to think about college, 266 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: he was kind of not interested because at that time 267 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: he was thinking he wanted to be in sports, and 268 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: he was like, I want to go to a D 269 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: one school, and that was for in those sports. And 270 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: so he said, you know, I want to go to 271 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: a D one school. So here I am thinking, oh 272 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: my god, I I never even imagine my child wood 273 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: want not want to go and let me tell y'all 274 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: what did it? But tell y'all what did it? Was 275 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: the summer before eleventh grade or was the twelfth grade? 276 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: What it is? Either eleven for twelfth grade. My two 277 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: things happened to my son Different World on Netflix for 278 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: the first time year Different World and then Tina. You see, 279 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: coachs wrote Between the World and Me about his experience 280 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: at Howard, And let me tell you something. Those two things. 281 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: My son reading that book and Different World all summer 282 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: he was like, I'm going to Howard. I don't care 283 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: what nobody say. He didn't end up going to Howard. 284 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: He ended up in a more House, but he girl 285 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: listen too. Can I tell y'all this the AUC experience 286 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: the because you mentioned in more House? So I remember 287 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: I told you I transfer from Morgan State to Clark Atlanta, 288 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: and people talk about HBCUs all being the same, But 289 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: the AUC is an experience within itself. I say this 290 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: to say that when I went to Morgan State, you know, 291 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: if you had a car, you were special and you 292 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: probably had like some type of hootie. Right when I 293 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: got to the A U C. Which consists of Morris Brown, Morehouse, 294 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: Spellman by the Way, Spellman College, more House College, Clark Atlanta, 295 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: Universe citt and more Morris Brown College. Um, it was 296 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: just a completely different world I had never seen. And 297 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: I'm from d C. I had never seen black eliteism 298 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: like that. I had never seen like freshmen driving like 299 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: luxury vehicles, dropped down the street like black kids. Just 300 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is this is the auc 301 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: in Atlanta's Clark Atlanta where I went. I remember it's 302 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: on a shares with more House and Spellman, Which are 303 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: you know which Our elite is black people, the most 304 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: elite Black people than their kids. Does it sound so exciting? 305 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: It sounds so exciting. It was an experience. I mean 306 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: when I went to college, I was going to school 307 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: with Easha Nipulliam and Evan Cosby. He Sha Nipulliam played 308 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: Evan Cosby is the youngest child. So imagine being Evan 309 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: Coby walking on your college campus and you have a 310 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: building named after your mother right here, you know what 311 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: I mean? Like it was just yeah, Well, we took 312 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: my son down there. Chris Tucker's son was also an 313 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: income and freshman, and you know, and it was just 314 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: interesting because I had to talk with my son before 315 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: he went, I said, this will be your first experience 316 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: with black elitism. I was like, you don't know anything 317 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: about that, You've never experienced that. He he didn't know 318 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: anything about that, and coming from Philly, coming from Philly 319 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: and having a life experience that he had, I said, 320 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: this is gonna be totally new for you. And so 321 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: for him it was. I mean, it turned him off 322 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: a lot. But at the same time too, he was 323 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: able to see the diversity in the way black folks 324 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: live and how they're raised. And you know that there 325 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: isn't you know, the whole Black people are not a 326 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: monolist thing like that. There's one place that was home. 327 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: If it's one place, I'll dropped that home, it's the 328 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: hc U. And that was my point when I say 329 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: I don't like when people say, well, it's funny. Remember 330 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: we had that controversy when a certain talk show host 331 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: it a couple of years ago. We don't need HBC 332 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: used anymore. And you know, why do you think so small? 333 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: Why you only think that HPC used. The network that 334 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: you build is can be a beautiful thing at those HBCUs, 335 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: the network of black people that you build. And twenty 336 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: years later, what I have built. And it's just my 337 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: friends that have gone to HBCUs are very very proud 338 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: of their universities and the friendships, like you said, the 339 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: friendships said that they created, they're not only you know, 340 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: they're not only good friendships, but they're also beneficial in business, 341 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: and that is very attractive. But at the same time, 342 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: you can do that anywhere mm hmmm, at any university 343 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: that you go to. College is the point, you know, 344 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: it's just the whole experience for me. For me because 345 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I was on a budget, a serious, serious, 346 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: serious budget, and I wanted to advance myself out of 347 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: my situation, and I thought that college was going to 348 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: do that for me. You know, it's a nice slow 349 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: walk in the real life. That's what I always say, 350 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: like at the end of the day, and I know 351 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: it's you know, it is attractive. That is hey, is 352 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: that back. It's a nice slow walk into real life. Yeah, 353 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: because yeah, because Asian and I we had a conversation 354 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: about and I think and I killed too about like 355 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: going to college and how with the kids are thinking 356 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: differently about college. But the one thing I can always 357 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: say is is that yes, it don't throw you directly 358 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: in the life, you know what I mean, Like every 359 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: year it is gradual. You're getting deeper and deeper, and 360 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: you're getting closer and closer, and you building your network. 361 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: I think we might start out and then move on 362 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: to an apartment, start off with a HOOPI. Then you 363 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: might get a newer hoopdi, you know, and then you 364 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: might get start out with the shuttle. But yes, right, 365 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: all of those things. I started off on the bus. 366 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: I had a trans pass and some tokens okay, and 367 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: sometimes a bike ride. We'll be back after the break. 368 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: I think the problem at the end of the day 369 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: and then what people eventually are starting to understand in 370 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: the here and now, is that as beneficial as it is, 371 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, for black students, it just turns into a 372 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: whole lot of debt and over time and then the 373 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: and people because you don't really know what you wanna do. 374 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: You're young, and you're not really in a position to 375 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: make that decision. Oftentimes people go and they spend all 376 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: this money and this time, and they developed these friendships 377 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: and connections and all of that, but then they end 378 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: up not even doing the work that they went to 379 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: college for. You know, when you got to college, usually 380 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: working for free a lot of what's that year when 381 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: you take a year off? I would leave in a 382 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: gap year. I believe in a gap year as a 383 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: as a parent, you know, I as a parent, I 384 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: would love for Jet to take a gap year. He 385 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: told me he wants to go to Paris and he 386 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: just he wants to just be there. And I was like, Okay, 387 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: we can try to do that at another time. But 388 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, um, but that's what he said. 389 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: But he's also twelve, so we'll see how this thing goes. 390 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: But I think it's a great idea because you get 391 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: you get an opportunity to do short internships and things 392 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: you may be interested in. You know, this is where 393 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: the parenting thing comes in. And you're calling your friends 394 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: like I need my my kid to be you know, 395 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: around you for three weeks. What you say, can you 396 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: can you do that? Yeah? You know, just communication. When 397 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: you start school, you have an idea of what you 398 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: might want. I wanted to be a psychologist when I 399 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: started school. Then I went to to to be an 400 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: English teacher and ended up doing neither of those things. 401 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, neither of them but 402 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: that was the that was the skills, and yet using 403 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: the skills that I did obtain, right, I mean, I 404 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: think I think it's about the communication aspect of it. 405 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: What do you think your kid might want to get 406 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: out of school, out of college? What are the goals here? 407 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: What are the things that and and not goals in 408 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: terms of what do you want to do with your life? 409 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: What are your goals for the moment? Are you trying 410 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: to develop friendships? Are you trying to, like you said, 411 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: have a slow walk into the real world? Are you 412 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: just trying to discover the things that you like? Like? 413 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: What are the what are you trying to get from 414 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: this experience? Because in a lot of ways, let's just 415 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: say this, for some students, and I got an opportunity 416 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: to sit in a few classes at Howard this year, 417 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: and for some of the students there, they had never 418 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: been entirely black learning environment. So for them, they're coming, um, 419 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: they're coming from predominantly white communities, and this is their 420 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: first opportunity to be engulfed the learning the environment with 421 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: all black kids, and so for them going to HBCU, 422 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: it is strictly about having had that experience. So these 423 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: are kids who have top notch grades. I mean, they 424 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: could go to any school they want to go to 425 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: and and possibly on scholarship. Right, So it's not always 426 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: just about the financial aspect of it, although you know, 427 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: for you know, for me, if I had gone, that 428 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: would have been all it would have been about. You know, 429 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: But you know, I listened to some of these students 430 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: in this class not almost cried because some of them 431 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: were talking about their experiences in high school and how 432 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: they had to fight just to be heard. One one 433 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: student talked about how she and her classmates had to 434 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: literally rally and protests in order to have a Black 435 00:25:54,000 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: History Month assembly, a Black History Month assembly. And you know, 436 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: education for black students is absolutely under attack in this 437 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: moment in time, not that it has never not been, 438 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: but it is truly under attack. And when we think 439 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: about the history of HBCUs and even the history of 440 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: a Howard University who's named after a white man that 441 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: used to be the head of the Freeman's Bureau and 442 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: so right are named after you know, white men, and 443 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: these institutions were developed and built off the assumption that 444 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: now we have to educate an entire population of former 445 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: enslaved people. So this is the the actual, you know, 446 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: purpose of this, and so educating the whole populace is 447 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: a new invention. And so as parents of black students 448 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: and even ourselves and how we choose to educate ourselves, 449 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: we have to really look at what it is that 450 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: we're really trying to get from these situations and what 451 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: positions that we're in in this moment, you know, and 452 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: what higher education should look like. There are so many 453 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: questions around that, and and even with schools like Howard, 454 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: like right now, Howard's kind of embroadened a little bit 455 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: of controversy right now because they are they're basically dismantling 456 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: their classics department. What does that mean? So this is 457 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: now now forgive me because my my knowledge around this 458 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: is limited. So but for from my understanding, this is 459 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: the department that's dedicated to quote unquote classical literature. So 460 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: you know, the the classical philosophy of the world, the 461 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: Plato and the this and that. You know what I'm saying, 462 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: People who are dedicated to that kind of classical cannon 463 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: of of philosophy and writing and things like that. So 464 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: they're doing away with that that but not necessarily to 465 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: shift the energy towards let's say, African classical philosophy. It's 466 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: that that's the trend throughout the country is that they're 467 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: going more towards them and less towards you know, um, 468 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: the liberal arts and things like that. So the so 469 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: even the HP I say all this to say, and 470 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: they're the only ones that had a classics department, only 471 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: that class so exactly, so I say all this to 472 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: say that p W Y H B c U public private, 473 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: Ivy League state school. At the end of the day, 474 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: I feel we all have to be truly, truly clear 475 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: on what it is we are actually trying to get 476 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: from school period. What type of education are we looking for? 477 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: Who are we looking to educate us? And who do 478 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: we want to learn from? And under what pretense? And 479 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: what is centered in that learning? To me, that is 480 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: ultimately where my head is on this thing, is that 481 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, um, college is going to mean a lot 482 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: of different things to a lot of people. I want 483 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: to be clear, for myself and for my children, what 484 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: what are we trying to learn here? What are we 485 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: what are we trying to get from this EXPI Well, 486 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: according to the to the Google search, Howard University is 487 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: twenty seven thousand, two hundred and six dollars a year. 488 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: Hampton University is twenty eight thousand and twenty four dollars. 489 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: Spellman is twenty nine thousand, nine hundred and seventy two dollars. 490 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: Florida A and M is seventeen thousand, seven hundred and 491 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. More Houses twenty eight thousand, seven. Yes, 492 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: you do. Morgan State eighteen thousand, four hundred eighty's what 493 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: we do? Uh? What what? I'm just happened to pass? 494 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: Harvard fifty fifty one thousand, nine hundred twenty five dollars 495 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: a year. Georgetown is fifty eight thousand and fifty eight 496 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: dollars a year. Yeah. See, when we're talking about college, 497 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: we ultimately have to start talking about school loans and 498 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: grants of and things of that nature. You must, you 499 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: must too prep bath and one of the big things 500 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: you certainly don't want to ruin your credit. I did 501 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: not appreciate I got the loan for school, and the 502 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: people called my grandma. They called my grandmother every day. 503 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: They bothered my grandmother so much. She said, Jim, you 504 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: got to do something. I said, be right. It wasn't Sally. 505 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't Sally made. That's that's after my time. I'm 506 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: trying to remember it was. They have changed the media names. Joe. Yeah, 507 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: now Navigant is in the game, you know the Listen. 508 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: The first thing I did when I made a little 509 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: bit of money is pay off my dog on student loans, 510 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: because it's the first thing. I didn't buy a car, 511 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: I didn't buy no clothes. I paid off my student 512 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: loans grand loan. But let me let me tell y'all 513 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: a sad story, though. Let me tell you all a 514 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: sad story. My son got a partial scholarship to more House, 515 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: and me and my husband said, hey, you know, we're 516 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: doing well enough for ourselves that we can pay the 517 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: other half of this tuition so that this child would 518 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: graduate death free. Because that was that was the prayer, like, hey, 519 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: let's let's send them out in the world without these debts. 520 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: And you know, then we got hit with the with 521 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 1: the COVID and my son end up having to take 522 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: a gap year because I didn't want him to apply 523 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: for a loan, and let's just be real, he applied 524 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: for one and didn't get one because guess what, we 525 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: weren't working. He wasn't working and and we were glad 526 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: we didn't get the loan, to be honest, because at 527 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we had worked for three 528 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: years to make sure that this child would not end 529 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: up in his thirties and forties still paying back alan, 530 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, for one year of school. But it gets 531 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: very tricky out there in the world because even you 532 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 1: talk about a more house, you talk about a lot 533 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: of easily schools, and there is there is definitely some shame, 534 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: and there's definitely some stigma around those who don't finish 535 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: in four years and those kids who do take so. 536 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: So some of the culture of school and college we 537 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: got to really talk about that, like how kids feel 538 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: if they don't go, if they go for a little while, 539 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: they don't finish, if they go, if they take a break, 540 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: all this different stuff. It's like the socialization around what 541 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: college means is whether no matter what school you go to, 542 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: it is just problematic, even down to like what what 543 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: like he had talked about about her transferring, because it's 544 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: there's something there's sometimes you get that too, your credits 545 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: don't apply and yea, yeah, like it took me twenty 546 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: years to finish college, and it took me if I 547 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: was gonna say I transferred, So of course I didn't 548 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: took me five years, because I did. It took me 549 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: twenty years, in and out a little bit at a time. 550 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: And then I got some point and Temple University was like, hey, 551 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna give you a master's because of your experience, 552 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: and I said, I appreciate that, thank you. Well. Yeah, 553 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: and then later on they gave me a doctorate and 554 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: I was like, thank you so much. I appreciate that 555 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: because I feel like I honestly that honorary PhD. I'm 556 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: claiming that wholeheartedly. I'm claiming it. Look and traveled the 557 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: world on and learned some things that haven't failed. A 558 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: lot of them succeeded something too. I've I've learned quite 559 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: a bit, so I'm gonna own that. But even all 560 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: of that, it's interesting because everything that Asian was saying about, 561 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, those things that can happen to me too. 562 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: That's still a slow walk in the life. Yeah, it's 563 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 1: a slow walk into life. That's what I love about college. 564 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that universities that you hold onto just that 565 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: thought alone for your kids or if you're a young 566 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: person yourself listening to this podcast. It's a slow walk 567 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: into life. It's you're you're gonna meet people. You're not 568 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: gonna like everybody. Even if everybody likes that person, you 569 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: might not you know, you might not fit into that 570 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: specific click or crowd and maybe you don't like clicks 571 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: or crowds at all. That's when you find out and 572 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: you find out about yourself. I found out I was 573 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: a I was a g D I in college. I 574 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: mean sis g D. I got damn individual. I'm not 575 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: ap pled. I said I got to damned individual. So 576 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: I know, I said that I was proud of you. 577 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: How about how about this? Though? There was a trend 578 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: there's a trend now that was trending for some photographer, 579 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: people going the community for two years because or the 580 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: first year, because a lot of times that first year 581 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: is just kind of one on one classes general education. 582 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: People go on the community and then transferring. I was 583 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of trends towards that because people are 584 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: again not trying to be in debt, not trying to 585 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: do you know, make these decisions solely on emotion. Because 586 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, there was emotions my son got that 587 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: got into more house. It was like, this was a tradition. 588 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: It was and may make you feel they are more 589 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: house moromance. Oh this is this is a part and 590 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: I want a lot of you brol that openings, that 591 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:33,959 Speaker 1: opening ceremony, baby world. When when we dropped that son off, 592 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: let me tell y'all something I've never seen anything like it. 593 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: And one thing I will say about HBCUs again and 594 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: particularly with more House, was that see that moment for 595 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: young black kids to be indoctrinated into community. We need 596 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: to be doing that, period. Because when I the first 597 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: thing I thought coming out of that weekend dropping I 598 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: killed all off there was all black boys should feel this, 599 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: All black boys at seventeen eighteen years old should be 600 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: indoctrinated into community in this way. I was like, this 601 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: was like something I said. At all I could think about, 602 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: as much as I love my child and everything, but 603 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: all I could think about was all all these young 604 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: men back in Philly who never ever feel this, and 605 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: the young man who went through that ceremony, who can 606 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: go one or two ways with that feeling. You can 607 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: go with that feeling that yes I am the ship 608 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: and everybody else's or you go away with that feeling 609 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: of I need to spread this love. I need for 610 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: other brothers to feel this. And I'm feeling I'm doing 611 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: this because I'm I'm setting a standard and I'm gonna 612 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: bring this. And I want to allow to you not 613 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: not to downplay elitism, because you don't have a big 614 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: problem with that. But I really didn't get that energy 615 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: that during that weekend, and I was and I was 616 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: looking forward, trust and believe, but that that part of 617 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: it was really felt pure. I won't even lie. There 618 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: was a moment where the head of Africana Studies as 619 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: at at Clark Atlanta spoke to the kids, came and 620 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: spoke to us as the parents and kids, and he 621 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: talked about being on the boats and that he said 622 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 1: part of part of the ritual daily that the slaves 623 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: would do would call out their names to see who 624 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: had passed during the night, and that each day that 625 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: they would call the names out to see who was 626 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: still there, who was still breathing, who was still surviving. 627 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: And again, to sit in a room full of black 628 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: parents with black boys and here that and and no, 629 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: you know, this opportunity to educate themselves on their own 630 00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: terms was powerful, and that's their foundation, that's and that's 631 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: the foundation. Foundation. We are all sitting in his room 632 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: in a green Yes, this is where we want our children. 633 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: This is where we want our children. That was I 634 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: could never there's you know, there's no amount of not 635 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,479 Speaker 1: picking up the phone in the finance office, or there's 636 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 1: no amount there's no amount of of of of red 637 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: tape that would take that moment away from us as 638 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: a family. And I will, I wish that moment for 639 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: every young black child, you know, to to experience that male, female, 640 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: whatever of them, they no matter who, they should be 641 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: able to come into community in that way. We're gonna 642 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we'll be right back. 643 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: See you don't you don't really know what you missed 644 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: unless you get an opportunity to experience it. So I 645 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: got a chance to know hit a homecoming or two, 646 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, oh wow, wow, this is 647 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: what's happening here. So much excitement, which hardly comment or 648 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: two did you hit you? I'm so curious, did you? 649 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: Because I mean, I know Howard's up in there because 650 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: we're on the easy You're right, right right, it's requirements requirement. Yeah, 651 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what other schools Howard and and 652 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 1: um spelling. Yes, the spell House home coming. Yes, yes, yes, 653 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: that's the thing. I like an HBCU homecoming. The man 654 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: I didn't know until I now, I was like, this 655 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: is exciting. It was exciting everywhere, and everybody was just 656 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: so pretty to me. Everybody was just so so fly 657 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: and everybody, you know, having fun and not fly like 658 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: dressed up or you know, fancy, but just like free 659 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 1: and beautiful and beautiful. And that's so I went obviously 660 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: the Temple University, and then you know, I visited other schools. 661 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: You know, I wish I could have done more of that, 662 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: but you know, at the time, I was working a 663 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: couple of jobs, so you know, I had to try 664 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: to keep the lights on. No, Yeah, that's why. That's 665 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: why I really appreciate it. Being able to go to 666 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: my friends schools and see what their experiences were because 667 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: not for and then being able to experience Morgan and 668 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: it's stay different personality Clark Atlanta and It's state, different personality, 669 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: and all those schools are different. And and circling back 670 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: to what agents said about like understanding why are you're 671 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: going to college? It's funny I always audit and say 672 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: wasn't worth it, because of course I'm still in debt, right, 673 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: I still got student alone to pain and that was 674 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: just for three years of college. But I go back 675 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: and I say, you know, if nothing, if not, maybe 676 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: I don't remember what I learned in these classes, but 677 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: I do remember what I learned on my internships, because 678 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, that's the monkey wrench that if you want 679 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: to get an internship, you gotta be in college most times. Right, 680 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: So me interning and B one oh three, you know, 681 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: and interning at w c l K at the rate 682 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: your station at Clark and stuff mold to me for 683 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: who I am, you know, mold of my career in 684 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: the start. So I'm like, that was worth it. It 685 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: was becoming friends with people like Jima Pickett, who is 686 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: now the head of R and B and hip hop 687 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: and Spotify. And DJ Drama who was DJ Dramatic at 688 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: the time, who went to Clark Atlanta and we were 689 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: all in the same department. Like I go back and 690 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, Jamal, immagine, I know you know Jamal, Yes, 691 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jamal Jamal who had the best radio 692 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: show to this day, yeah, yes, to this day. Be 693 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: Markey and all of them so yeah, I mean again 694 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: I agree with you know why, and you know why 695 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: you want to go with your purposes and if it 696 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: can be fulfilled by college, I'm right. That takes some 697 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: paying attention, you know, paying attention to yourself and going 698 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: and visiting these places and seeing what's nearby, you know 699 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: what will work for you. You know. Um my mentee 700 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: went to Berkeley College of Music and I went there 701 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: and was just done. That was done, just just the 702 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: the range of musicality, the range of of of diversity. 703 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: I was like, this is incredible. I went to Harvard. 704 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: I got a the pleasure of teaching a master class 705 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: at Harvard, and that at that's like the hogwarts of education. Okay, 706 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 1: what was it? What what did your classroom look like 707 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: at Harvard? I'm curious, like what was the break the 708 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: funky break down in your classroom? It was it was 709 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: pretty diverse. Um, of course the black student showed up, 710 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, definitely, yeah, they definitely showed up and 711 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: they were amazing. Like seriously, you're you're you have you 712 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: have a double major. One is music you play four 713 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: or five instruments really and then your your other major 714 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,479 Speaker 1: was like the one young lady she she beautiful voice. 715 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 1: My god, I know I'm going to see her somewhere 716 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: like in montro one day. You know, I know I am, 717 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: I know who I am. Um. Don't you love higher learning, 718 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: fine arts? Higher learning? When you see these groups of 719 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: kids who are like they're like the the the academics 720 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: of fine arts, like I'm Despulding was the professor while 721 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,320 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, yeah, I mean the people that 722 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,360 Speaker 1: we knew, especially that came out of Berkeley. I'm like 723 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: even Madison fearing to Layla hath the way to I 724 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: think Robert go there? No que did uh? Where did 725 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: he go? Did he go? Maybe? I I don't help 726 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: to tell us. But nonetheless, just pay attention to where 727 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 1: it is that you want to like, where you want 728 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: to be around. If you're like so many people love 729 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: n y U. They love n YU because it's smacked 730 00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: down in New York City. There's literally every possible thing 731 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: you could get into, anything that you have any interest in. 732 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: It's right there for you and fightally made you want 733 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: to go there too. That's true, that's true. The the 734 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,399 Speaker 1: options are really infinite. It is really like Ages said, 735 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: it's really about what do you want in your life. 736 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: That dollars n yuft three thousand, three hundred and eight dollars. Wow, 737 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: I think that is a hundred thousands. That is two 738 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in debt, Lord Jesus, and we ain't 739 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: even talked about books yet. By the way, people, when 740 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: you get the refund, if you have extra, put it away. 741 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: It's not really a gift, it's your own money. They 742 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: trick you part that party. Girl. I'm gonna tell you 743 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 1: right now. I love the idea of of I love 744 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,919 Speaker 1: learning at this point in my life. I love to learn, 745 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 1: and I think that the passion for hurt on that money. 746 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: She's like, I'm still in debt. Yeah, that's just a lesson, 747 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: and I am. I'm sorry. Yes, I know, no, I 748 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: just stopped talking. Let's less a moment of silence. But 749 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: it is dead. And everybody else that's in their forties 750 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: and still got paying some chip from twenty something years ago, 751 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: a whole big, deep breath. I know many of my 752 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: friends who had PhD Oh sorry three, yes, is it 753 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: worth it? Let me work it. Put my thing down flipping. 754 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: I just want to tell the people I started ohing 755 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: thirty and it's got to a d I don't know 756 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: how it got there, but I just need you to 757 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 1: know interests real people. Yeah, it's real, and deferment is 758 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: not as good as you're thinking. No it's not. Look, 759 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,919 Speaker 1: oh god, I told you all. That's why we tried. 760 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,920 Speaker 1: We tried to give this child. We tried dry what 761 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: funny is Asian? When I was I don't know if 762 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 1: y'all remember that when we were younger, that's when people 763 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 1: really were showing commercials about saving for college and ship 764 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: like that and like it was. It was. It was 765 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,360 Speaker 1: episodes on TV about it and whatnot. So I just assumed, 766 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: no shade, mommy, no shade. I just assumed that my 767 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: parents had something the same. But it was just automatically 768 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: assumed that I was gonna get along. I was like, 769 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: oor a scholarship, I said, but I thought that they 770 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: said in the commercials, in the TV shows their parents say, 771 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: But it wasn't even it's I mean my mother. I 772 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 1: watched my mother bust her butt to get my sisters 773 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 1: through school, you know, and and and and take out 774 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: loans and she's a single parent in the whole nine 775 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: and to kind of fulfill that dream of of you know, 776 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: of of going to college. But again, like I said, 777 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: you gotta know what you're going for. And now I 778 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: feel like we can give kids a better kind of 779 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: overall feeling because I think there was a a thought 780 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: also that when we were young, you go to college 781 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: to pick a career, you're gonna have your whole life, 782 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,479 Speaker 1: and that you're planning your whole life. What we're saying 783 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 1: is something actually quite different, is that you're really planning 784 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: the next four years. You're not really planning your whole life, 785 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so I think that 786 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: that is really important to understand and balancing what it 787 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,360 Speaker 1: is you want to do, because you know, this is 788 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: an investment, is a very very deep in investment, and 789 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: how do you want to make that investment? And I 790 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: even told my UM. I had a conversation with my 791 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: UH with my daughter who is now a rising senior, okay, 792 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: and we had a very real talk about it. She 793 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: wasn't even really that interested in college, and I told her, 794 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I get that, but you don't really 795 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: know what you wanna do, so go ahead and go 796 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,720 Speaker 1: to college. So we had that, we had that tussle 797 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 1: back and forth. I didn't think you would have said, okay, Okay, 798 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,319 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't think you would have said that. Well, 799 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 1: I feel like my whole point is this is my thing, 800 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: but we're gonna do this. We're not gonna do this emotionally, right. 801 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,720 Speaker 1: If you don't know what you wanta do, go either 802 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: to state school or to community that first year. Then 803 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: when you get in state tuition and or or and 804 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: or cheaper tuishtion for community because even for community college 805 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,320 Speaker 1: they have if you live in a certain zip code, 806 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: it's it's even cheaper. So at least I know that 807 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: for Philadelphia. So what I'm saying is that I told her, 808 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, if you don't know what you want 809 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: to do, don't sit idle go to college, but just 810 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: don't just go to state school or the community. Then 811 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,439 Speaker 1: once you start seeing if you like something or whatever 812 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: the case may be. One thing about this area is 813 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of school from IVY Lee, HBCU, Liberal Arts, Private, 814 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: the whole night, the whole night. Everything is right here 815 00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: in the state, everything is right here in the city 816 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: and in the surrounding areas, and sounds like when you 817 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go to to spread your wings 818 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: a little bit more once you feel comfortable that way, 819 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,280 Speaker 1: we're making a financial commitment that's realistic, but we're also 820 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: understanding the benefits of college and the benefits of the 821 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: college experience, and giving you some time to figure out 822 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: what it is you want to do to make long 823 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 1: lasting relationships connections. All of those things will happen in 824 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: that in that process, but without picking the fifty dollar 825 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: school for you to go to. Doubt very much that 826 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to be paying for school. I doubt very 827 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: much that I'm gonna be paying for school, you know 828 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,920 Speaker 1: what I mean, like for for my kids. Like, let 829 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: me see what you're gonna do. Look, do you want it? 830 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 1: Do you want it? Because I've seen a lot of 831 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: parents throw away a lot of money that they could 832 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: have used to get their kids in school, or you know, 833 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: they don't they don't even try. They just in their 834 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: are having a good time. Hey, you have a good 835 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,359 Speaker 1: time while you work a job? Okay, yeah, Well see 836 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 1: that's the thing is that all my older kids work, 837 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: so they already see what a job get right? That 838 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 1: ain't that that you already see how much you're coming 839 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: home with with that. I don't even have to I 840 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,399 Speaker 1: don't even have to teach that teach. Yeah, I will. 841 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: I will help you started. I will help you start 842 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: a business, but I need you to take some kind 843 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,880 Speaker 1: of financing classes or something in that area before you 844 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,840 Speaker 1: even start. It doesn't it doesn't necessarily have to be 845 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, four years of university for me anyway. But 846 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, um, if that's what you want to do, 847 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: if it benefits you, if it behooves you get up 848 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: in there and you're like this feels right to me 849 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: and you want to walk away with a degree, then 850 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: that's what's up. If not then and then you want 851 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: to start a business, then I'm gonna need you to 852 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: to really go out and actively participate in whatever that 853 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: business is. Now that's where I come into play because 854 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm your mom and I can probably you know, help 855 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 1: you get in to some spaces. But don't embarrass me 856 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: out here. You don't need you to go on there 857 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: and work hard, work, hard earned yours, you know. But 858 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 1: see that's my things. Like you you have to ask 859 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 1: me for my resources. I'm not going to offer. You 860 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 1: have to ask me because it's like the offering. I've 861 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: tried that, that's what said kind of I've already been 862 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: down this road. So it's like you, you, you can 863 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: offer all the resources you want, but that doesn't mean 864 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,799 Speaker 1: that that's a good match for the kids and they 865 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: and they don't appreciate it the same. Let them go 866 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 1: figure out what is it they're gonna figure out. If 867 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 1: you have a resource that can help them, guess what 868 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna do. Ask because because Liyah will tell you 869 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,760 Speaker 1: about the about the phone call she gets from my child, 870 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: and and that's because he understands. He he's figured out 871 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: like who you know? Who who? What is the support 872 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: that I need? Who is the resource that I need? 873 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: And that's that's fine for me. But one thing I'm 874 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm understanding more and more every day if I could 875 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,479 Speaker 1: tell any parents anything. And what I've learned from having 876 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: you know all these different people is that you cannot 877 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:13,719 Speaker 1: predict you and you must observe, you must listen, and 878 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,759 Speaker 1: then you must accept that on some level and on 879 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: most levels, this other human being is not going to 880 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 1: do things the way that you planted out in your head. 881 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: This is just not going to happen. They are their 882 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: own person, their own individual, and they're gonna make that 883 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 1: decision for themselves. Said that girl, Because I'm telling one 884 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,000 Speaker 1: thing that child will do is make a liar out 885 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:49,240 Speaker 1: of your dreams. Honey. Oh oh, that's so interesting. It's 886 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,440 Speaker 1: the concept of parents having full out dreams about what 887 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,799 Speaker 1: their kids should be. It's interesting because I will get 888 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: my parents credit. They just wanted me to be happy. 889 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 1: It's a lot of treasure in that way. And it 890 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: doesn't really they work out. And guess what, there were 891 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 1: times when you were not happy where your parents were like, god, 892 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: they're on it. Did I not dream hard enough for 893 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 1: the child's happiness? Oh? That happens. And typically if you 894 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 1: try to force you know, square into a circle, it's 895 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: not gonna happen anyway. You know, they can't. You can't 896 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,640 Speaker 1: make somebody beat what you want them, right. They showed 897 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 1: up as an individual, They showed up as a whole individual. 898 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:34,320 Speaker 1: All you can do is feed them, feed them. And 899 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: I don't mean food, right, but I mean food too. 900 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,399 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying. You just feed their 901 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 1: interests and this is not all you can do. And 902 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,839 Speaker 1: see what happens after that, you know, and and hope 903 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: for the best and and if lord, if they have 904 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: joy in their lives, you know, like, yeah, you you 905 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,080 Speaker 1: won you want if they find something that they actually 906 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,399 Speaker 1: love to do, whether that be a lumberjack or electrician 907 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,279 Speaker 1: or or a physician. You know that. To this day, 908 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 1: my mother still checks in on me and she says, 909 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: but do you love what you do? Because I just 910 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: want to make sure that you want you like, do 911 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,640 Speaker 1: you do that? Like last week and I was like, yeah, Mommy, 912 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I do you know what? Like? Yeah, 913 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: I really love the way your parents love We love 914 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: your parents love them. I really love the way your 915 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: parents love you. I think it's just beautiful. It is, girl, 916 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,000 Speaker 1: it shows when you grow all. I just I just 917 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,879 Speaker 1: want everybody out here. I'm gonna say it. I don't 918 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,480 Speaker 1: even know these people, but I want you to read 919 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: and or watch The Secret. Oh that's old school, girl, 920 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 1: It is old school. It's it's really about the power 921 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,440 Speaker 1: of attraction and what you attract to your life. And 922 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: you really can't speak things into fruition. But as you 923 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: do that, be mindful of every kind of situation. It's 924 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,960 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, being having a genie in 925 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,920 Speaker 1: a bottle. You know, you could say I want a 926 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: million dollars, but you're in the If you're in a 927 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: forest or the does itt and you now you've got 928 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,960 Speaker 1: a million dollars, What is that exactly going to do 929 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,800 Speaker 1: for you? Except all you can do is burn it 930 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,360 Speaker 1: at night, you know what I mean. So you have 931 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,960 Speaker 1: to think about the whole picture, the whole package, and 932 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,760 Speaker 1: be as specific as you possibly can. When the journey 933 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: of life, Jill, that what you are saying right now 934 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,120 Speaker 1: is the journal it is. It's not a secret. And 935 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:41,080 Speaker 1: how to ask better questions? Yes, yes, that part more 936 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 1: detailed questions, more detailed questions. We're talking about ourselves, you know, 937 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,479 Speaker 1: where are we going for our education? And we're talking 938 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,800 Speaker 1: about the children that we love. You know that we 939 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're blessed to have come through us like okay, 940 00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,799 Speaker 1: you know, whether that's our niece and nephew that we love, 941 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,200 Speaker 1: kids that we love. We want them to be happy 942 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: and fulfilled in this life. Joyful, Happy is fleeting. Joyful 943 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,759 Speaker 1: is what we're hoping for. So as they prepare, you know, 944 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: for their their slow journey into grown up world, into adulthood, 945 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,359 Speaker 1: and they're looking at universities, it is very much worth 946 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: taking the trip. And whether that's on Greyhound, whether that's 947 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,200 Speaker 1: on what's the jet blue? Uh, the jet blue, the 948 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 1: jet blue, you know, whatever it is that you have 949 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,400 Speaker 1: to do, so you can see it for yourself and 950 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,719 Speaker 1: see if it's good to you. Don't walk into university 951 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 1: or college blindly stand on the yard, but it's proud 952 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,560 Speaker 1: and just watch and see and and see for yourself. 953 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 1: Because it is a financial endeavor, you know, to put 954 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 1: it lightly, partnership, and it is the kind of debt 955 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: that can change your future, so you have to think 956 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,120 Speaker 1: about it, really think about it. What's what's good for 957 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 1: you and your family and your kid, you know, as 958 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: they move forward. I love that I went to Temple 959 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,080 Speaker 1: University because I was able to do what I could, 960 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, I could do what I needed to do 961 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: at home and still have great experiences in so many 962 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,360 Speaker 1: areas from poetry to to acting to you know, all 963 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,680 Speaker 1: the things that I do now. So I'm grateful for that. 964 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,120 Speaker 1: And then I got some of that black Andy black 965 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,080 Speaker 1: at me too, you know, so I got a chance 966 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,080 Speaker 1: to check that out too, And yeah, all of those 967 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 1: things worked for me. But that's me. And if I could, 968 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: if I could, I won't say if I could do 969 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 1: it again, but if I could go to university now, 970 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,960 Speaker 1: I would go to an HBCU. Yeah, I would. Yeah, 971 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 1: all those experiences. I even appreciated working at the club 972 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 1: through it. Yeah. Well, first of all, I ain't been 973 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 1: to neither, but I'm going. So if you're listening right now, 974 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: you would like to offer me some life tuition. Um, 975 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to some place. So I'm trying to go, Bill, 976 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm going back to school. That's happening where you where 977 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,320 Speaker 1: you want to come. I already enrolled a CCP, but 978 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,479 Speaker 1: I'm saying if Howard or Lincoln or Cheney or fact 979 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,320 Speaker 1: not Family, that's too far, or any any schools that 980 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: are within driving distance of my house. If you are 981 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast and you would like to give 982 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:34,440 Speaker 1: me a scholarship based on my life experience, I am willing. 983 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm willing to take it. I will take all of it. 984 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna go ahead and teach a class, okay, yes, 985 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,200 Speaker 1: of course, And and you're gonna have to think about 986 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,000 Speaker 1: where like to be specific in this, be specific in 987 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 1: this where exactly what is it that you're going for? 988 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 1: What are you going for? Oh? I am absolutely going 989 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 1: to learn like this is my This is strictly about 990 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,360 Speaker 1: what like what's your major? You mean like what's the like? 991 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,920 Speaker 1: What's the like? You have a boy, y'all, and I 992 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: know you just love to learn. And we're about to 993 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 1: say Africana and you know what Africana studies. You know, 994 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely Africana studies. And I don't put 995 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 1: you to no box blue blue. You might have been like, 996 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,440 Speaker 1: you know what, Jill, I've always wanted to be as 997 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:29,160 Speaker 1: nist and I'm not interested in distry and very comfortably 998 00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,040 Speaker 1: and I'm happy. I'm happy to box my ship up, 999 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,840 Speaker 1: tape it and the whole not that is the box. 1000 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm interesting. I absolutely want to get my get my 1001 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,160 Speaker 1: bachelor's degree in Africana studies. That is my goal and 1002 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,760 Speaker 1: I will be doing it and I will get it period. 1003 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 1: That's happening. That's happening. So y'all heard of give up 1004 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 1: the scholarships. You know you want Asia in your classroom. 1005 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:59,400 Speaker 1: You know you want me to have come help me out, y'all? 1006 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Good for Actually you're creating an actually a good idea 1007 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,560 Speaker 1: for a program for adult or education. You know, I'm 1008 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,880 Speaker 1: just saying, and I believe I believe in adult education. 1009 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 1: I've talked to my children because honestly, I do feel 1010 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,960 Speaker 1: like to learn anything, you have to shift the lens 1011 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 1: out of this kind of eurocentric lens into this African lens. 1012 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,440 Speaker 1: And for me, I have actually pitched to my children 1013 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,040 Speaker 1: that all of them major and Africana studies first, and 1014 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,640 Speaker 1: then we want to something else. I've already pitched it. 1015 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:36,680 Speaker 1: You know it's a pitch. Okay, okay, Well, my son 1016 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 1: is an Africana Studies major, so let's not aboard board 1017 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,720 Speaker 1: if you have If you have thoughts and feelings about 1018 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 1: the things that we talked about, I would love, we 1019 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 1: would all love to hear your thoughts. Thank you so 1020 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,400 Speaker 1: much for listening to j dot Ill, and all of 1021 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,560 Speaker 1: all the proceeds go to join. Thank you so much. 1022 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 1: How do you Eat an Elephant? One? By? It time? Hey, y'all, 1023 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,560 Speaker 1: it's producer Eves again bringing you the resources for the 1024 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 1: episode since it came up a couple of times. Go 1025 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: watch A Different World if you're not familiar with the show. 1026 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 1: It's a sitcom about the fictional HBCU Hillman College. Right now, 1027 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,520 Speaker 1: it's on Prime video, but who knows where it will 1028 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,760 Speaker 1: be in the future, so catch it on a box 1029 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,920 Speaker 1: set if you can. It's also worth having at least 1030 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,120 Speaker 1: some knowledge on the history of HBCUs, so I'll drop 1031 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,480 Speaker 1: some links where you can learn more about that in 1032 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 1: the description, as well as a resource on the Classics 1033 01:01:50,040 --> 01:02:08,320 Speaker 1: Department issue at Howard. All right, y'all, until next time, Hi, 1034 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,160 Speaker 1: if you have comments on something we said in this 1035 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 1: episode called eight six six, Hey, Jill, if you want 1036 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,800 Speaker 1: to add to this conversation that's eight six six four 1037 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,200 Speaker 1: three nine five four five five. Don't forget to tell 1038 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,080 Speaker 1: us your name and the episode you're referring to. You 1039 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,439 Speaker 1: might just hear your message on a future episode. Thank 1040 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,680 Speaker 1: you for listening to Jill Scott Presents Jay dot Ill 1041 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: the podcast. This podcast is hosted by Jill Scott, Laia 1042 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,160 Speaker 1: st Clair and agr Graden Danceler. It's executive producers are 1043 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 1: Jill Scott, Shawn g and Brian Calhoun. It's produced by 1044 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,520 Speaker 1: Layas st Clair and me Eves Jeff Cope. The editing 1045 01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,080 Speaker 1: and sound design for this episode we're done by Christina Larenger. 1046 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: J dot Ill is a production of I Heart Radio. 1047 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I 1048 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,640 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to 1049 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,840 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.