WEBVTT - "In and Out for 2025" w/ Sam & George

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast starts now. Wow Wow Wow. First of all, Happy

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<v Speaker 2>holidays from holidays here as Tradio Lab.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling it. I know, I said I wasn't in

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<v Speaker 1>the holiday mood last time we spoke about the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of being in the holiday mood, but I actually fully am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling in a big way. I think being in LA,

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<v Speaker 2>you really have to manufacture it. And so I've made

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<v Speaker 2>a conscious choice to like put on Christmas music, like

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<v Speaker 2>to like pretend like it's cold out, and so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of feeling it's kind of working.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I really want to get into LA, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, the concept of manufacturing and Los Angeles more broadly,

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<v Speaker 1>because of course, like so many things in LA, initially

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<v Speaker 1>it seems surface level and then you realize it text

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<v Speaker 1>the deepest possible, the deepest possible concept. It's like, at first,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you want to be like, well, of course

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<v Speaker 1>everything's manufactured in LA. You manufacturer holiday Spirit, you manufacturer Buzz,

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<v Speaker 1>your manufacturer wards Buzz, manufacturer beauty. You can go to

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor say I want on your face, okay, And

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<v Speaker 1>so initially that seems like, oh, it's a vapid it's

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<v Speaker 1>this vapid town. No, no, no, In fact, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>a window into how everything is made. You think it's

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<v Speaker 1>just LA that's manufacturing the holiday spirit, honey, it's all manufactured,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just that, but LA is so much better

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<v Speaker 1>than everywhere else because it is upfront about it and

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<v Speaker 1>because it invented manufacturing holidays.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, it knows how to manufacture better than anyone else. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so they can manufacture in a way that other people

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<v Speaker 2>can only dream of.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that that is the industry, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>town's industry, in fact, makes it not dumber but more sophisticated,

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<v Speaker 1>like it is, are you kidding me? Everyone else is

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<v Speaker 1>going around thinking the holiday spirit is natural. People know

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<v Speaker 1>it's crafted. They know it's crafted, and they are like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let's have a meeting and talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>we can craft it. For Q four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, on the Paramot lot where I work, they set

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<v Speaker 2>up a big Christmas tree and they had like Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>tree lighting with like a band that played like Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>hits and they had fake snow And I'm like, now

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<v Speaker 2>that is genius, Like yeah, it's fully like sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>degrees out and they're like having fake snow women in

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<v Speaker 2>little like Santa outfits, like singing a song about Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's groundbreaking stuff. It's interesting thinking about that. I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>am I more moved? This is a really important question.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I more moved by the manufactured fake snow just

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<v Speaker 1>by the human ability to create something like that? Or

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<v Speaker 1>am I more moved by suddenly everything is fake? Everything

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<v Speaker 1>is fake. You go outside in you York, real snow

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<v Speaker 1>is like the fact that breaking through all the fake stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that more emotionally resonant or is the is the

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<v Speaker 1>incredible effort to create something more emotionally resonant? And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously, from my own perspective, I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>that the natural snow feels grander. It's nice to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>no one created this but the weather. Yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it actually it feels like it's from a higher power.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think you almost have to go through both.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to first be moved by the fake snow

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<v Speaker 1>and go through the process of telling yourself how beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>this is. We did it. We came up with the

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<v Speaker 1>technology to create snow, and that's enough. You have a

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<v Speaker 1>day of thinking that's enough. Then you go outside you

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<v Speaker 1>see real snow. It's even more moving due to your

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<v Speaker 1>previous the previous process of convincing yourself that the fake

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<v Speaker 1>snow was moving.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, this is what snow is based on. Yeh, yeh,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, wow, snow is based on snow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of like going to an incredible Michelin star

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<v Speaker 1>rated molecular astronomy restaurant having the meal of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Next day, you know you have to go to your grandma's.

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<v Speaker 1>You're sort of dreading it. You know, it's it's tough

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<v Speaker 1>seeing your family members get old. Last time you saw her,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe she said something a little problematic. You go there,

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<v Speaker 1>she gives you she said, oh I made a pound cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Like here we fucking go. You have a taste of

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<v Speaker 1>the pound cake. You start crying.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Real snow is grandma's pound cake. Fake snow is gastronomy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's we are. We are in it. We are

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<v Speaker 1>locked in.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we just start, Well, we should start. And so

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<v Speaker 2>today we're going to be covering the ins and outs

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty twenty five because you know what a year

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four has been. We have experienced it in

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<v Speaker 2>so many ways. Shout out to the new pop girls.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a whole new generation of things. All of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, I would say, it happened so fast.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a it was a good year for.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it? A good year for I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was a good year for change.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a good year for change. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>good year for I mean, dare I say it was

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<v Speaker 1>a good year for pop culture?

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<v Speaker 2>Dare I say to.

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<v Speaker 1>Phrase it in such straightforward, crass terms, like there's something about, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there is something about you know, even just the triumph

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<v Speaker 1>of Charlie xx. Yeah, alt one, alt one, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like it won too much. Yeah. And and gay

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<v Speaker 1>guys won, and gay guys won in both good and

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<v Speaker 1>bad ways, like gay guys also won in absolutely repugnant ways.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean literally, there are two gay men that are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna or there's one gay man that's gonna be in

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's cabinet. And now they I read this, if he

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<v Speaker 1>gets if he gets confirmed, there will have been three

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<v Speaker 1>gay men total that have been in like cabinet level positions.

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<v Speaker 1>And of the three, two two of them were in

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<v Speaker 1>different Trump administrations.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's the gay man in Trump's cabinet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the guy Oh my god, you know that headgshrend

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<v Speaker 1>manager that beset. Oh god, I am so ignorant.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't know this was happening. Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>am the ignorant one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Bessent, Scott Bessent.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's gonna be Who's going to be Treasury secretary?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? You know I hooked up with the Canadian Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of Treasury once.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Well, hopefully he wasn't right wing.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually don't know where he stood. I just knew

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<v Speaker 2>that he was the Canadian Secretary of as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've read a little bit about the Scott Bessent

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<v Speaker 1>and apologizes if it's Bessent, because you know, I swear

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<v Speaker 1>by print media. I'm not gonna turn on a television

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<v Speaker 1>to tell me how to pronounce something. But it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>look like it doesn't look like it's hards in the

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<v Speaker 1>right place. Let's just say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just say that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting that of the three people you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Buddha Judge of course is the one Democrat and the

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<v Speaker 1>other two. One was in the first Trump administration, one

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<v Speaker 1>is uh is going to be in the second fingers crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>He it's been from y'all foray for gay progress anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>The point is to go back to your to your

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<v Speaker 1>assertion gay one, both in good and bad ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and gay one, I mean gay lesbians one two

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<v Speaker 2>I do think, well, I think the whole Chapel thing

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<v Speaker 2>is like, well, at least bisexuals one. I think bisexuals

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<v Speaker 2>really feel emboldened right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but okay, but I think Chapel and Renee Rap

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<v Speaker 1>did the interesting thing of like really of all of

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<v Speaker 1>truly transitioning from by to lesbian. That's true, which is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because it used to be the stereotype used to

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<v Speaker 1>be quote unquote bisexual for clout. Now that's not something

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<v Speaker 1>I made up, so don't come at me.

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<v Speaker 2>Both that used to put down.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is interesting. It's an interesting thing that these

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<v Speaker 1>two by you know, high profile bisexual musicians both were like,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a lesbian. Yeah, so in that sense, lesbians

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<v Speaker 1>did win.

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<v Speaker 2>That sends lesbian's one. I do think. I'm feeling like

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<v Speaker 2>bisexual women are taking on the aesthetics of lesbians more

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<v Speaker 2>and more, even if they're not saying that least haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think, have we had this conversation before?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having incredible day, Javou, Like we we literally have

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<v Speaker 1>had a conversation bisexual women are going from straight to lesbian? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we have. If we have, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, it's not your fault. But but bisexuals,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, nowhere in my ins and outs. But

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<v Speaker 1>since we're on the topic, I'm almost like, is that

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<v Speaker 1>is bisexual is? Are bisexuals out?

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<v Speaker 2>I do think bisexual jokes have reached a natural endpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>and with that, I also think I do kind of

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<v Speaker 2>think bisexual is out.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what I think. I think the initial round of

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<v Speaker 1>bisexual jokes, you know, very mean spirited, Like the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that people actually think quote unquote bisexuals don't exist is over,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a great thing. And I think it's great

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<v Speaker 1>to have bisexual visibility. Some of my best friends are bisexual.

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<v Speaker 1>We are some of the best guests we've had on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast are bisexual. Because now we've reached bisexual acceptance,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens is, potentially people will feel more empowered to

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<v Speaker 1>make jokes because it's a much more stable category in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense that you and I can make gig eye

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<v Speaker 1>jokes and say the f slur because we're not worried

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to be stoned when we leave our apartments.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's almost like maybe a second round of bisexual

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<v Speaker 1>humor has more JOI de vive because it's not as

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<v Speaker 1>hateful and mean spirited.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that theory. I hope you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but I think we should get into it because

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<v Speaker 1>we have long lists.

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<v Speaker 2>We have long lists. I didn't say how many. We

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<v Speaker 2>didn't tell each other how many are on each other's lists.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't decided how many I'm gonna do. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I have got you.

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<v Speaker 2>Kick us off.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an out that I think might be a

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<v Speaker 1>good intro. Okay, So my first out is the paranoid,

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<v Speaker 1>defensive style of speaking. So this is something I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of. I'll give you an example. I'm introducing the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of ins and outs, and I say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously these are not literal. Obviously we are just having

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<v Speaker 1>fun here. And of course some of these are not

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<v Speaker 1>are not worded in a way that kind of talking

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<v Speaker 1>that's out Wow, And it's such a it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>specifically millennial style of talking. I would say it is

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<v Speaker 1>the style of talking you get from growing up with

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<v Speaker 1>like digital media that is constantly telling you which things

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<v Speaker 1>are good and which things are problematic. It is growing

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<v Speaker 1>up with this like obsession with analyzing pop culture and

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<v Speaker 1>with literally being like I watched an episode of friends,

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<v Speaker 1>but having to first caveat that with being like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's a show that can be really not

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<v Speaker 1>inclusive at times.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't I don't love that they like

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<v Speaker 2>are all white, but exactly show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's something about that that is actually doing

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite of what you think it's doing, because you

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<v Speaker 1>think that you are being so intelligent, but in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing is disrespecting your audience because guess what

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<v Speaker 1>your audience knows, friends is white.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's preparing for like the internet. Yeah, like to

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<v Speaker 2>consume it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's this, it's imagining the worst kind of reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to every little thing you're thinking. And it also stems

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<v Speaker 1>from a place of narcissism too, because you're like, you

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<v Speaker 1>adopt this tone of like giving a press release, giving

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference, and it's like you're just some guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You think people are really unpacking your words and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's likely no one gives a shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and actually this kind of goes with an

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<v Speaker 2>inn that I also think is obvious and almost too

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<v Speaker 2>obvious to So I'll get it out up top but

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<v Speaker 2>casual bigotry. I think will be very very in yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think like because now there's almost like like

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<v Speaker 2>it's already been on like podcast culture, like calling things

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<v Speaker 2>gay pejorative word. Yeah, yeah, But I think it'll become

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<v Speaker 2>more mainstream. I think it'll be on TV shows. I

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<v Speaker 2>think like, and it'll be like in this way that's

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<v Speaker 2>like self aware and they're not like trying to be problematic,

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<v Speaker 2>but it will be like we'll look back on it

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<v Speaker 2>and be like, oh, that was weird that that was

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is the classic. The first time this happened

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<v Speaker 1>then it was there was like a famous internet essay

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<v Speaker 1>about this, and I wish I knew where it was.

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<v Speaker 1>But someone like coined the term ironic racism. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember this? This was like a thing people really talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Like early two thousands common early.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's like think about the the like Austin Powers humor,

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<v Speaker 1>think about like.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah Silverman when like, yes special back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Silverman's special blackface, Jimmy Fallon doing blackface like this

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of thing. My worry is that this new

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<v Speaker 1>round of it will actually be like more violent or

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<v Speaker 1>not violent, but like less ironic, like yeah, I'm almost

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<v Speaker 1>there's a real mean spiritedness to it that's like a

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<v Speaker 1>backlash to the kind of wave of the latest wave

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<v Speaker 1>of political correctness that let's say was defined like the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty tens, and which is why.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, way of speaking, I think ties into it

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<v Speaker 2>because you aren't gonna be worried about whether they're coming

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<v Speaker 2>off as bigoted. They'll be like, well, yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care if someone misunderstands me. I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to get caveat this. Yeah, which I mean, it is

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<v Speaker 2>a bummer. It's going to be annoying, and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be like it's like a little it's like the

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<v Speaker 2>evil calls like it like it will feel fun, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you'll want to be bad and be like I can

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<v Speaker 2>do that, I can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you like it's this false promise of freedom, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's you're sort of it's such a warped view of

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<v Speaker 1>freedom because what you actually want is not not to

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<v Speaker 1>be racist. What you actually want is to like be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to make.

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<v Speaker 3>Art and and and you and and a certain type

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<v Speaker 3>of person gets a rush from saying something inappropriate and

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<v Speaker 3>that masquerades as real creative output.

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<v Speaker 2>Or something. Yeah, I think you will see like a

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<v Speaker 2>stand up comedian who is straight, like do a gay

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<v Speaker 2>character as like and it'll like be viral. This is

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<v Speaker 2>my prediction. These are my predictions. Just thought I could say, Okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see I can do an in Okay, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like Christmas. I feel like we're like sharing presents

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<v Speaker 2>for each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so much fun. Okay. I have two that are

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<v Speaker 1>very related. So I think cultural like elitist forms of

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<v Speaker 1>art like going to the opera, going to the ballet,

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<v Speaker 1>going to the theater, but not like Broadway musicals, like

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<v Speaker 1>going to the theater and being like well versed in

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<v Speaker 1>Chekhov's plays, but especially things like the opera and the ballet.

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<v Speaker 1>And then related to that is formalware. Like I said

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<v Speaker 1>last year that workwhere would be out. I'm taking a

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<v Speaker 1>step further. I really think we're gonna start seeing like ties,

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<v Speaker 1>like people wearing ties to their tech job. Like ties.

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<v Speaker 1>Ties are back in a huge way, and not bow

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<v Speaker 1>ties because bow ties have a flare, of ironic flare.

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<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be it's gonna be like your father's Brooks

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<v Speaker 1>Brothers tie. Yeah. Related to this, you know the met

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<v Speaker 1>Gala theme this coming year is the the Black Dandy

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<v Speaker 1>mm hmm. And I think potentially, like the aesthetics of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dandy will really be in the cultural, in the

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<v Speaker 1>culture in a way that will then remind people how

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<v Speaker 1>fun it is to dress in sort of formal, over

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<v Speaker 1>the top ways, and they'll be like, you know, opening

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<v Speaker 1>their closets looking at all their pairs of Stan ray

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<v Speaker 1>pants and Carhart and they'll say, oh my god, what

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<v Speaker 1>have I been missing out on all these years?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? This is an interesting theory. I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the problem with the ins and outs for

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<v Speaker 2>this year is, of course, Trump is looming over all

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Of course, so I do feel that like

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<v Speaker 2>you saying, sort of the opera the ballet is back,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think is true. And I do think it's

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<v Speaker 2>because people are going to be annoyed at popular culture

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<v Speaker 2>and almost taking pride in their alienation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think related to Trump. Last time, okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>say we're okay. Cultural elites. Last time Trump won, their

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<v Speaker 1>instinct was to quote unquote relate to the common American,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think this time it will be the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be be sort of reaffirming their own elite status.

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<v Speaker 1>With no care in the world, Like before they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to the opera. Before they were like I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to travel to Kentucky and meet a farmer. And now

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to the opera and in hushed tones they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't farmers so stupid?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're kind of like you guys voted for him.

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<v Speaker 2>You can add yes, yes, we're going to the opera, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's that's great. I have a related in Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>go being rich and not ashamed. I think before it

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<v Speaker 2>was about if you had money, you would hide it,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I think, well, we're going to see like

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<v Speaker 2>I think early two thousands really did this too, where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like you really like are like ooh, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be rich rich, like that girl's rich and that's awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>Like oh, we have to go to this club where

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<v Speaker 2>all the rich people go, and I think it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>like rich is in. No one's going to be Bushwick

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<v Speaker 2>is out basically, and you're not pretending to be poor anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like riches in, rich is in.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think something that's semi related to that is

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<v Speaker 1>the general exhaustion with a NEPO baby conversation like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it no longer scratches an itch to be like, look

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<v Speaker 1>I discover his tax returns. He's rich. No one cares anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, the idea that I that I am like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you know that actress's father is a billionaire?

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<v Speaker 2>No one cares, No one cares, And it's like you'll

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<v Speaker 2>almost just assume it. Yeah, it's like, yeah, she's an actress. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I have an out that I can do. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think something that's out to me is the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of press tours. Like interesting, there's I press toars now

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<v Speaker 1>for huge movies like you know, Barbie Wicked whatever, they

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<v Speaker 1>last basically three years. Yeah, And I know we just

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<v Speaker 1>said that the kind of like over the top aesthetics

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<v Speaker 1>of wealth are in. But I actually think this the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of over the top like marketing budget is out,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I can't. I think there's gonna be exhaustion with

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<v Speaker 1>just like seeing these celebrities say the same personal anecdotes

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again, like seeing the like the way

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<v Speaker 1>we were charmed by Gaga saying there can be one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people in a room a million times, I think

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<v Speaker 1>was like the peak of how charming that can be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to agree with you this one I'm

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<v Speaker 2>struggling with because I am like, I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>still think I think memes are going to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>be sort of the main Internet humor, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a generator for that, and I think this

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked tour almost made it so it's like clearer that

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<v Speaker 2>that's the case. Like I think people are going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to be more insane to get pressed for their movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe right, because because in fact, the memes

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<v Speaker 1>that have been made from the press tour are way

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<v Speaker 1>more sticky than the ones that have been made about

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<v Speaker 1>the movie itself. I mean, which is so interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>think about, Like for let's say, for a Star is Born,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where a hundred people in a room came

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<v Speaker 1>from the things we remember. The things that were memes

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<v Speaker 1>were actually from the movie. It was like her fake songs,

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<v Speaker 1>like the fact that her name was Ali, or the

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<v Speaker 1>looking back thing, the looking back thing. Whereas now it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's complicated because on the one hand, I see what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying. On the other hand, I'm almost like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's even more to my point because that it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to reach a fever pitch where people no longer like

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think it's a sustainable plan to have

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<v Speaker 1>more and more complex press tours. Yeah, we'll get tired

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<v Speaker 1>of celebrities. And I and I really like celebrities have

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<v Speaker 1>been out for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's true, that's true. They don't have to pretend

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<v Speaker 2>riches in. But you still if you're a celebrity, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to almost pretend to not be You have to

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<v Speaker 2>be like humble or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, let's see this one's kind of complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I think an out is queer as inherent good.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I like that we found it earlier when we

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<v Speaker 1>said gay one, but in both good and bad ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think as it's like more and more mainstream,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like every every pop person is queer, like

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<v Speaker 2>you're queer coded or queer Like it's like even like

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<v Speaker 2>people like Charlie XCX is straight, but it's like this

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<v Speaker 2>is queer music. And I think it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>like that's not going to be just like a synonym

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<v Speaker 2>for good. I think it's just going to be like

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to lose its power as a brand exercise.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also just like no longer even a synonym for

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<v Speaker 1>semi good politics, like at one point, even the word

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<v Speaker 1>queer was like reclaiming a slur, and it meant that

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<v Speaker 1>you had more radical politics than someone who referred to

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<v Speaker 1>themselves as gay. Obviously, I'm painting in broad strokes. Oh look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing defensive time. And I just think it's over

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<v Speaker 1>and again in ways that are both bad and good.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, in some ways, what you what we have

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted, is like mass acceptance where you're not defined

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<v Speaker 1>by your sexual identity. But in other ways, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish there wasn't a gay guy in the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two food related inns that I can do

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<v Speaker 1>together because they're not super interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, I have a food related profound in as well.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so out Actually sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Spaghetti and meatballs. Really, I think spaghetti meet balls are in.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that, you know, we went through the very

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<v Speaker 1>long Burger and Martini era where that was like the

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<v Speaker 1>comfort food everyone craved, and I just think the next

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<v Speaker 1>chapter of that is spaghetti and meatballs. I like like

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<v Speaker 1>having people over and having a giant bowl of spaghetti

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<v Speaker 1>and meatballs and like, you know, having I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a sort of like Alison Romanesque actually, Alison

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<v Speaker 1>has a great meatbal recipe, but I think there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be like some sort of viral moment or something that

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<v Speaker 1>or even even like a movie moment, like a Lady

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<v Speaker 1>in the Tramp spaghetti moment. Like there's gonna be something

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<v Speaker 1>that puts spaghetti on the meatballs back on the map

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<v Speaker 1>in a big way. I actually am saying this from

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<v Speaker 1>personal experience, because I had a dinner party where I

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<v Speaker 1>served spagetti and meatballs, and I got more compliments than

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever gotten on like more difficult things I've cooked

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<v Speaker 1>or baked or anything that's basically all anyone wants.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is one of the most genius predictions

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<v Speaker 2>of all time, the way that instantly when you said this,

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<v Speaker 2>it clicked with me. And I'm like, because people still

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<v Speaker 2>are wanting the simple, They're still wanting to feel the

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<v Speaker 2>burger and martini vibe, but they've had enough burgers and

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<v Speaker 2>they've had enough Martini's. Like, I think you're so right

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>about the speating meat pulse. Do you have a like cocktail? Like, yes,

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 2>what is the cocktail?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's not a single cocktail, but I think Amorrow

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 1>based cocktails are gonna be big last night. I so

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 1>we sort of just have not like restocked our alcohol

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 1>in a while, and we have a very random assortment

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 1>of things. So when people come over, I'm constantly being like,

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.400
<v Speaker 1>do you want to vermouth and soda? Like I because

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I just like don't have enough stuff. And we had

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 1>this random bottle of a Verna and this bottle of prosecco,

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and I looked up and I made an Averna spritz

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:02.640
<v Speaker 1>last night for we had a friend over, and it

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:08.679
<v Speaker 1>tasted like a sort of a twist on like a

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>diet coke, Like it was this like beautiful, kind of

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>like syrupy but not too sweet, spritsy but winterry drink.

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:22.440
<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I think Amari have been in for

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.439
<v Speaker 1>a while. I'm not reinventing the wheel here, but I

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 1>think specifically not on their own, not on the rocks,

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 1>not just with soda, Like slightly more complicated cocktails that

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 1>are a marrow based I think could be almost like

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a bridge between the more simple martini and the more

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>complicated and outdated like craft cocktail culture of the twenty tens.

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:46.879
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like we went all the way in one direction,

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.120
<v Speaker 1>then we went all the way in the other direction. Now,

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 1>a happy medium is an Amarro based three ingredient car.

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 2>George, I'm feeling so electric, I'm getting chills. I like,

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm you're making me like see the future, and I

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 2>even like I I here's a prediction on the floor. Yeah,

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>go go go saying to someone do you want to

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 2>get a nightcap? Oh? Do you want to have a nightcap?

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.199
<v Speaker 2>I think this is going to happen in a huge way.

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Wait can I I sorry to get ahead of myself.

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I'll then give you the opportunity to do three in

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 1>a row. But I have one that's related to that.

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh great, okay. One of my ins is having people

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>over parentheses, but not for dinner, So George.

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I I wrote down out dinner that is about food.

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, So first of all, dinner parties I'm not

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna to say dinner parties are out as ridiculous. Obviously

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.120
<v Speaker 1>we're all gonna still have dinner parties, but dinner parties

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:47.040
<v Speaker 1>as this like incredibly branded important thing is out Like

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that was very much like a post block to down

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 1>totally total let's fucking do this roaring twenties, like we're

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna make shrimp cocktail blah, blah. But what I think

0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>is gonna happen to your nightcap point is having people

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>over for drinks, having people over for tea, having people

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>over for coffee, and then you also made a little

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 1>bunt cake, so you serve them a little you know,

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 1>a slice of cake with their coffee, maybe a few cookies,

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 1>bowl of nuts. Not something where you're not even you

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>haven't even prepared something. You're just like, you go out

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 1>for dinner and then it's like, do you want to

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.439
<v Speaker 1>come over for you know, dessert, and then you just

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>take out literally a thing of Hogan DAW's vanilla.

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 2>This is I'm excited. This actually makes me excited for

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 2>the future because I have been a little bit like

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 2>what what is the trendy? What's gonna be fun? And

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this sounds so fun.

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>It's actually almost like sitcom level. You can walk into

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>your friend's apartment.

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, one hundred percent, but you also know not to

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 2>stay too long. You're like, exactly, I'll stay for like

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 2>an hour and a half.

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, uh okay, go you can okay, Okay.

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I said, didn't know that it's about food.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>This is I should have brought I'm gonna do two

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>two quick ones because they were related to previous things

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 2>that we talked about, and I should have brought them

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>up before. One is out is Brooklyn and as a

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Manhattan is in Now that sort of related the wealth thing. Sure, yeah,

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 2>and then the other thing is I really because Bratt

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 2>was so big, I think Green is out out out

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and I think going Charlie XCX mode is really out

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 2>like it has been like market tested that it doesn't

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>work for other people. Yes, and I think people will

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 2>now not try to do that again.

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 1>No, it only works for her because it's like authentic

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>to her experience and because she has been perfecting it

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>for fifteen years.

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and people will probably still try, but in a

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 2>less like you won't see like Katy Perry do it again.

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>You won't see who Camilla Cabeo do it again.

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I definitely agree about Green because it's not just Brad,

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>it's also Wicked. It's also with its green was just everywhere.

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I also, I mean pink, the green and pink and

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Wicked was just such an assault that I think people

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>are gonna move away from those colors. I think we're

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>going to be seeing yellows. Let's say Purple's you know, yeah,

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>some night reds, even a burnt orange.

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Burnt orange for crying out loud, Okay, I have I'm

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>realizing that I have a few that are related for

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>ends that maybe I'll just combine them into one thing.

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I think the sort of Ashton Kutcher style punked dressing.

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 2>It will continue to be bigger and bigger, and that

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>includes I think that that his haircut, that like mop thing.

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I think stud earrings are going to be back, oh okay,

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 2>and I think goates.

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, last year we predicted sideburns, which arguably

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>was not a correct prediction, but I think goatees make

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 1>more sense. I was actually so I was rewatching Happy

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Endings and the main character, who's a complete flop. All

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 1>of them around him are incredible, but the main guy

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>is like, by by design, sort of like the straight man,

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and he has a goatee that he's constantly made fun

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>of for hmmm. And it got me thinking, like they

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>actually have been fully out of the culture for so

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>long that we can we can bring them back and

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>really play with the form in a new way.

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I think you're gonna see some gay guys doing it. Yeah,

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna work, okay, gay go tees, gay go tees

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 2>on the red carpet.

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, Yeah, I mean my ends are better than

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>my outs. I have to say, I can attempt to

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>do an out. The idea of stigma is out, Like

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that both stigmatizing something and reclaiming a previously

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>existing stigma are out like as a as a mode

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>of thinking, as a way of or organizing thought. It's

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>just like not how things are going to be viewed anymore,

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>because I almost think that the idea of stigma is

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>inherently related to a monoculture. There has to be like

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a common language for something to then be stigmatized against

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the common mainstream culture. And so when you don't have

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>mainstream culture and you just have a bunch of different subcultures,

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like something can be stigmatized in this culture, but

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>not in this culture, and it can be like a

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>good thing here, but a bad thing here. And unless

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>you have the data in front of you, that's like

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 1>how many people stigmatizes and how many people don't. It's

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>just is not a useful way of thinking about anything

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 1>anymore interesting.

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, does this go along with like a there's

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>no more like canceling vibe or is it a different thought.

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that I'm more so thinking about like when

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>people are like mental illness is stigmatized. It's like, okay,

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 1>it is, broadly speaking, but in fact, in the community

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>that I'm a part of, it's encouraged. Like in no

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>room that I'm ever in, is mental illness stigmatized, or

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 1>even if you're like something about even something around like

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>queerness or body type or like things that are traditionally

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>considered less than whatever the desirable version is.

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, this is making sense to me.

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, people still face oppression and people still face like discrimination,

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>but the concept of a stigma, I think is like

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the wrong way to look at it. Yeah, yeah, that's

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of what I mean. I like that.

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 2>I think this works, okay, because you won't be stigmatized.

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 2>You'll just move to a different culture exactly. That's exactly

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>what hop on over to someone.

0:33:55.800 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Because a stigma implies like a red you know, for adulterer.

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I have an out. I think making fun of

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 2>cringe liberalism, oh so out, so out. I think, like

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 2>making fun of the like in this house we believe

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.839
<v Speaker 2>like stuff like that. You're just sort of gonna be like, yeah,

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I get it, like cope, however you can. I think

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be like I don't think it'll be happening

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 2>as much because I think people are like, don't feel

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 2>a fire under them. But I also think when it happens,

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>you'll be like, yeah, yeah.

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 1>It's like making fun of Hamilton. It's like it's over, yeah,

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:37.719
<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna make fun of Hamilton, or like there's

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>just something it used to feel fresh to rediscover things

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 1>from the Obama era. And obviously we do this more

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 1>than anyone can. We discover things from the Obama era

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>and think of them in a new light. But enough

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 1>time has passed that the Obama era is now basically

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:55.319
<v Speaker 1>what the Clinton era was then, like you just have

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to accept it.

0:34:56.040 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>It happened, folks, that happened, So that happened, So that happened.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Been wow, Okay, I'll do an inn. I think that

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 1>aerobics could make a comeback wow, because I think it's

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>the only form of trend based exercise that hasn't made

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>a comeback, like even line This is not a form

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 1>of exercise, but even like line dancing, it has become

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>like a cool thing. Queer people do. But aerobics, which

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>has all the makings of something that would get a

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>nostalgia based comeback, especially in a like post yoga post

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>pilates world.

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Plus we have all this dance music.

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 1>We have all this dance music, I think people. Also,

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>everything is a you know, a brand activation and a

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>fashion collaboration now, so it's like someone's gonna go ahead

0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and make some you know, fluorescent colored aerobics clothing.

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually surprised this didn't happen with the Barbie Dua Lipa.

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, the bar also and Dua Lipa.

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it should have John Huh. I like this theory.

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 2>I wonder how they're gonna like elevate it from just nostalgia,

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I know it, Like I wonder in like a like

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 2>an alloy world, like how are they gonna make it

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 2>like Instagram girlies love this? Yeah, And I'm not sure

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>what the answer is. But I mean, it'll be like

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 2>in a soul cycle way, like it'll be like a

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 2>dark room.

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, it won't be to be clear, it won't be cool.

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying this is gonna be like a cool thing,

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>but it'll Soul cycle is the perfect comparison it'll be

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:37.399
<v Speaker 1>like some company that has seed like venture funding will

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.280
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh my god, you know what, we haven't

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 1>done it in a while, is like a good aerobics craze,

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:43.800
<v Speaker 1>like it worked the first time. It's been long enough,

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what I predict. Then there's gonna be some

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>viral interview of Jane Fonda responding to it, and people

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 1>asking her like, so what do you think of the

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 1>new aerobics craze, and she'll be like, well, you know,

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 1>there's a reason it worked, like blah blah blah, and

0:36:56.680 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 1>then people like clips from her aerobics take will be

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:01.360
<v Speaker 1>viral on TikTok.

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I love this, Yeah, and okay it maybe it may

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 2>have missed with Barbie and Dualipa, but with the substance

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:10.399
<v Speaker 2>I think they could.

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course I forgot about the substance, yes, of course. Yeah, okay,

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>all right.

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's see I have a really controversial one. Okay,

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 2>this is an inn I predict there's gonna be a

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 2>conversation about how there hasn't been a new funny fat

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 2>guy at SNL WHOA. I think in the same way

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>that there was a conversation about like there hasn't been

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 2>a black woman on like when like in ten years

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 2>ago when that was happening. I think there's gonna be

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:41.720
<v Speaker 2>like a we need a new funny fat guy at SNL,

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and it people will be like nostalgic for like John Candy, Yeah,

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 2>like Chris Farley, Like people are gonna be like this

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 2>used to be the thing, and they're gonna like want

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 2>it again. Like I think with the fiftieth people are

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>gonna be reflecting on who used to be there and

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 2>that used to be such a thing that people would

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 2>say is like ESENL always has like the funny fat guy,

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's gonna be there's gonna be a

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 2>conversation about how there hasn't been like a wild funny

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>fat guy in a while.

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Wow, fascinating, And that's that fits it. It is so

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>much with the rest of where culture is going. It's

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 1>like literally it used to be that people would be

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 1>angry that there was not more racial diversity on ESNEL.

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.839
<v Speaker 1>Now it's gonna be people being like, why isn't there

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 1>a funny fat guy?

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 2>And it fits in with the like casual big like

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 2>casual bigotry sort of this like thing of like I

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 2>can say this, why isn't there a funny fat guy.

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's see. I think one of my ends is,

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>and this is controversial, I think that San Francisco has

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>been hollowed out and sort of uh beaten down so

0:38:56.200 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 1>much with a combination of Silicon Valley transforming in than

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>leaving the pandemic, the various like controversies around local politics.

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 1>There just like insane rents, people moving to Oakland. Like

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>it's just sort of like terrible reputation both among you know,

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 1>conservatives obsessed with crime and progressives obsessed with like Silicon

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Valley taken over whatever. I almost think it's like it

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 1>can't get any lower, and so it now will have

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>some sort of resurgence, like there's gonna be some maybe

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like a local artistic scene of some sort. Maybe

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:38.840
<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be a new band that's from San Francisco.

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's gonna be a thriving art scene in some way.

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>And then maybe there will be some TV series or

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 1>film that's about a community that lives in San Francisco.

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Then maybe people will remember all the different things that

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>they loved about San Francisco, or maybe it's an even

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 1>more nostalgic thing where there's going to be like a

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>movie about like hate Ashbury hippies or something, and then

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 1>that'll be a trend. But I just think like San

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Francisco was so cool then it was so uncool, and

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it has to it has to like circle back.

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I like this and I really hope you're right, Like

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 2>there is something. When I think about San Francisco, it

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 2>is like this is like so sad. Yeah, it really

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 2>is like one of the bleaker things that has happened,

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 2>and you just like sort of move on because it

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>is a fact. It's just like Yep, Tech ruined an

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>entire city. It's just crazy and you have to just

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 2>be like okay, and it's like no, it's like we

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>haven't actually addressed this. Like this used to be a

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:38.720
<v Speaker 2>thriving city with a cool vibe.

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>One of the Americans dead.

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>It is completely hallowed out. It is crazy.

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>So something you know, it's gonna something's gonna rise from

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 1>rise from the ashes.

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.879
<v Speaker 2>I think has this is a genuine Has tech moved out?

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Well? A big part of it is like, first of all,

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of tech has moved to like Austin and

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Miami and places like that. I mean the big I

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:05.200
<v Speaker 1>mean Austin especially has just become this like huge tech capital.

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that happened, especially during the pandemic was

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:14.360
<v Speaker 1>because everyone started working from home, downtown San Francisco was

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>just like really like hollowed out in this way. There's

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 1>just like there's like all these empty buildings, but then

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 1>they're not being made into affordable housing or anything, so

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, this sort of like it was

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>this like ghost town.

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 4>That's interesting, But San Francisco's always like San Francisco is

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.760
<v Speaker 4>defined back to the gold Rush by booms and busts,

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 4>Like it just isn't a stable place.

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Like there's always going to be you know, incredible eras

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>of immense wealth and then eras where you know, things

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 1>are not going well, and it's always it always somehow

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.360
<v Speaker 1>bounces back. And it's also very like amenable to new ideas.

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 1>So it might be something completely different. It might also

0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:57.399
<v Speaker 1>be worse.

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Who knows, Hey, somebody's you gotta get before you better. Yeah, well,

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 2>I hope they come back. It's a gorgeous city.

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 1>It really is.

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 2>God And we're going to go there soon. San Francisco

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 2>sketch Fest Show.

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 1>It's probably the only show I have planned for twenty

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty five, so same, see you there, see you there.

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's see this. These are complicated, Okay. I think

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>an out an out is like I think public feminism.

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.839
<v Speaker 2>I think we're gonna have like a like a high

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 2>profile woman be like I'm not really a feminist, like

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 2>and almost be like like there's gonna be sort of

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 2>a throwback vibe to like feminism. I actually love men, like.

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I think it'll be like the misinterpreting, of course and wrong,

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 2>but I think that it's going to happen where I

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 2>think feminism as like a branding thing is out and

0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 2>it'll be like I love men and feminists and then

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 2>it'll be like feminists are lesbians.

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:02.839
<v Speaker 1>I love women defending men.

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love men.

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:06.839
<v Speaker 1>I think women defending men is hugely in.

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's like this again, all this it's all cyclical,

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 2>like because that and Trump is looming. Of course, Trump luming,

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:19.839
<v Speaker 2>but it is, it is all cyclical, and I think

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 2>this will come back.

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I know it's you know, it's funny. Feminism is one

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 1>of those terms. Of course, there are actual there is

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>an actual history of feminism, and there are actual definitions

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>and you can you know there is there? There's like

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 1>feminism is also like a lens through which to view

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 1>politics and culture. It is a way. It is an

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 1>academic line of thought. It is like a way to

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 1>It is a liberation movement. It is all these things

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>like in actuality. But there's also divorced from that, just

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the specter of feminism in like the mainstream popular imagination.

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:01.480
<v Speaker 1>That's almost literally a different thing, you know what I mean,

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Like the actual concept, the substantial concept of feminism is

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:12.160
<v Speaker 1>so different than what, like than what at any given

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 1>time in the nineties or twenty or twenty tens is

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 1>meant when a random person on television says I am

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 1>a feminist.

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:26.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean I'm realizing and going

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 2>through these Yours are way more optimistic and mine are

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 2>really cynical and pessimistic.

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's necessarily true. I mean I'm doing

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:39.240
<v Speaker 1>much more, many more inns. I'm trying to think, like, hmmm,

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 1>oh I have a pessimistic one. Oh okay, all right,

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:47.240
<v Speaker 1>So I think one of my inns is I think

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:51.840
<v Speaker 1>AI will be in for longer before we get a backlash,

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Like I think the sort of I think the obvious

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 1>thing would be to say everyone hates AI it's out

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:00.439
<v Speaker 1>for twenty twenty five. But I don't think that the case.

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that like well, and everyone's distracted by like

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:11.240
<v Speaker 1>oh AI created images, and like look at this crazy

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>fake image where this guy has like seven fingers because

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't created well, and like, oh, this AI created

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:21.360
<v Speaker 1>poem is like actually shitty. And in the meantime, AI

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 1>is being used in way more nefarious ways and even

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:26.879
<v Speaker 1>way more like normal ways to be honest, like, I'm

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.840
<v Speaker 1>sure it's being used to make like incredible medical advances

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>that I don't know about, but I just think it

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 1>is going to first infiltrate the culture way way, way

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 1>way more before in like five ten years, there's like

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 1>a real backlash of some sort.

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 2>If ever, I think you're one hundred percent right. I

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.680
<v Speaker 2>think this, Yeah, this is pessimism that I agree with.

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 2>It's sort of the the Elon thing where it's like

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Elon shouldn't be winning. Like everyone who we know hates him,

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Everyone on the internet hates him. It's like he's a

0:45:55.760 --> 0:46:00.799
<v Speaker 2>punching like punching bag for like everyone, and yet like

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.400
<v Speaker 2>he is still in charge of Twitter. He is still

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 2>like in charge of the government, picked the president, like yeah,

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:10.319
<v Speaker 2>he has all the power somehow. Still, and I think

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 2>AI is like this too, where it's like, yes, everyone

0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 2>posts like oh this sucks, this is bad, but it's

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 2>like it's winning and it's going to continue to win.

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 1>No, there's something about it that it's uh, it's just

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:26.280
<v Speaker 1>becoming the new. It no longer is like this little,

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 1>this mysterious thing on the rise, Like it's now just

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 1>AI went from being like punk rock hacker to being

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>man in suit. I mean, it is much more difficult

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 1>to take down man in suit than like someone infiltrating

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the culture.

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:43.279
<v Speaker 2>This is. I'm having the opposite reaction that I had

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 2>to your spaghetti and meatballs. I'm feeling so low about

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 2>this because I am like it's true and there's nothing

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 2>we can do about it. Like I'm really like stuck

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 2>on like what does this mean? And we won't know

0:46:57.640 --> 0:47:02.440
<v Speaker 2>until it happens, but I'm like, really sucks it like

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 2>can't be good in any way. And I feel like

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 2>even with like the Internet, we didn't know it was

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna be bad. Like the Internet was like, Wow, this

0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>is so exciting. We can like share information and learn anything.

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.319
<v Speaker 2>We want at any given moment, and now it's like, oh,

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of bad, Like I wish we didn't

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 2>have this sometimes, and with AI, we don't even have

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 2>that like this is going to solve everything. It's just

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.439
<v Speaker 2>like start out the gate. It is bad.

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>No, I so agree with you. It used to be

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 1>that innovations first went through a phase of utopian thinking. Yeah,

0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 1>even something like the telephone, Like it's like first you're like, wow, amazing,

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 1>we can connect with everyone, and then it's like, okay,

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like promoting misinformation and people are addicted and teams

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 1>are committing suicide. But at least in the beginning you

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:52.759
<v Speaker 1>can be like, we have a smart phone, it's a

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>computer in your pocket.

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was magical at first.

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.359
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sort of like, but I also do think

0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:01.799
<v Speaker 1>there's a cl divide here because for many people they

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 1>do think of it as utopian honestly, Like you can

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:06.279
<v Speaker 1>think of AI as like, oh, everything is going to

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 1>be so frictionless and then we're going to be free

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>to you know, work a three hour or work a

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>two day work week and then spend the rest of

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the time painting. Like there is that utopian element of it,

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.280
<v Speaker 1>but it is difficult to access that line of thinking

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.759
<v Speaker 1>when the people that are the post your children for

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:24.840
<v Speaker 1>it are like literal movie villains.

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, and the it just is like so clearly

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 2>not that is not the goal, like it's just the

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 2>goal is to like be the first one to do

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 2>it so you can be rich before they eliminate all jobs.

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Leve leve, bon voyage, bon voyage. Did I tell you

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:50.359
<v Speaker 2>that I can't stop saying say love?

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 1>I have noticed.

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Because I think it's it's such a fun way of being,

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:03.359
<v Speaker 2>like I'm detached, like I don't care, and it adds

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 2>a little gen siqua, you know.

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I think a fun trend would be to say French phrases,

0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:13.759
<v Speaker 1>but not in ways that makes sense of so just

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 1>like like I just did, like I just did with

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:18.120
<v Speaker 1>bon Voyage, like that literally does not make sense in

0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:18.760
<v Speaker 1>this context.

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:25.919
<v Speaker 2>I love to go, so that's kind of fun. Oh

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:31.560
<v Speaker 2>what's my turn? Okay, here's an interesting out. I'm also

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:34.000
<v Speaker 2>not sure if I'm gonna do all mine because I

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:35.239
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I agree with all of them now

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 2>that we're reading these out loud. But here's an out

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:42.080
<v Speaker 2>social media star meaning anything. I think there was a

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.720
<v Speaker 2>second where it was like if you are big on Instagram,

0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 2>you are big, like this can transition into a real thing.

0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I think social media star is becoming more and more disposable,

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.719
<v Speaker 2>and more and more temporary, and more and more like, well, yeah,

0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I look at you and my phone. I don't really

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:02.600
<v Speaker 2>care about you beyond that. And I think that used

0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:04.319
<v Speaker 2>to be less clear, like it would be like, oh

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I saw this guy on Instagram. I love him, And

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 2>now it's like, no, I think you're because you're not

0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 2>even following. You're like being fed stuff. And I think

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 2>so you don't feel investment, You're like that was a

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:16.320
<v Speaker 2>funny video.

0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 1>You don't even look at what someone's name is, like yeah,

0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:21.680
<v Speaker 1>And I think this is a mistake a lot of

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:23.839
<v Speaker 1>our a lot of people we know, make where they

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:28.759
<v Speaker 1>think their profile is rising because they're going viral, and

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 1>then in fact it's just like people might see you

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 1>on the street and be like that person looks familiar.

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I Actually what's interesting about social media stardom is so

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.279
<v Speaker 1>I think that what we're seeing is arise in like

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>a middle class when it comes to social media performers.

0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 1>So the expectation that if you go viral, then you

0:50:55.560 --> 0:51:00.520
<v Speaker 1>reach some higher point is almost like, you know, the

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>promise that you'll found a small business and become a billionaire. Like,

0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I think there is this more consistent sort of middle

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 1>class of like in the same way that there are

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:13.560
<v Speaker 1>so many working actors that are not wealthy, like you know,

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Julia Roberts. I think that's what's happening with social with

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote creators, is there's just this like large group

0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 1>of people that like occasionally make a couple thousand dollars

0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:27.399
<v Speaker 1>doing a brand deal.

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, that's an interesting way of looking at it.

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 2>The gold rush is over.

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:34.480
<v Speaker 1>The gold rush is over, exactly exactly.

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:37.520
<v Speaker 2>The gold rush is over. Still you can still get

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 2>a little gold, yeah, but very little.

0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay. I actually have hm uh okay. I have one

0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that's sort of related to the AI thing and also

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:53.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of related to Trump in a way. I sort

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 1>of think the movie and the I think V for

0:51:57.719 --> 0:51:59.399
<v Speaker 1>Vendetta is in.

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Vv Vendetta is it? I don't know, Like, so what

0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:06.520
<v Speaker 2>does that mean to you? Like I hear that, and

0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:10.360
<v Speaker 2>I think like middle school ideas of activism, that's.

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 1>What it is. Yeah, there's something there's something that's like

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, so much of like Trumpian thinking there

0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:24.279
<v Speaker 1>is so childlike. And I think V for Vendetta, as

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.360
<v Speaker 1>much as I really honestly enjoy it as a film,

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:33.400
<v Speaker 1>V for Vendetta just has these very childlike notions of activism,

0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 1>of justice, of oppression of power that are actually so

0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:43.719
<v Speaker 1>that can actually be sort of appropriated by anyone with

0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 1>any politics. Like you can read it in a left

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>wing way, you can read it in a right wing way.

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like what happened with the Matrix. Yes, And

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:55.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I think.

0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Everyone thinks they're the V for Vendetta. They think they're

0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>on like the good side. Yeah.

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:04.360
<v Speaker 1>And and there's also I think I have generally noticed

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:08.400
<v Speaker 1>just like a rise in violence being socially like the

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:09.600
<v Speaker 1>idea of violence on.

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Both the Assassin we have talking about the assassin, right, So.

0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:15.239
<v Speaker 1>There's the thing like I think that on the right

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>violence has very much in the Trump years become or

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 1>even like violent language, let's say, has become way more

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:27.200
<v Speaker 1>socially accepted. And I think something that's happening now with

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:31.760
<v Speaker 1>like with the assassin and even with the Trump assassination attempt,

0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:37.560
<v Speaker 1>is you see like respectable Midwestern moms being like, oh,

0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 1>should have gotten him. Like there is just like a

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.960
<v Speaker 1>comfort with almost like Gallows humor about violence.

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Well it is true that, Yeah, there's something about like

0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the systems really not working and like people are like,

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.600
<v Speaker 2>well there is one thing that can work, and like

0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:58.399
<v Speaker 2>people are being driven insane enough to be like Okay,

0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 2>let's do that, Like let's and at least let's celebrate

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 2>it when it happens, because it's like nothing good happens

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and systemically right now, like there's very few wins for

0:54:08.000 --> 0:54:11.400
<v Speaker 2>like the people, and so I do think when the

0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:15.000
<v Speaker 2>violence happens, it's like fun to be like, hell, yeah

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:15.839
<v Speaker 2>we got him.

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and it almost feels not it doesn't even

0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:24.320
<v Speaker 1>feel dangerous because you're like, literally nothing good will ever happen. Yeah,

0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:28.280
<v Speaker 1>this is just like we're all just doing a little dance.

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm like really trying not to. I think when

0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:36.759
<v Speaker 2>this comes out, it'll be like let's see, like it'll

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 2>be in like two weeks or something, and so who

0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:41.400
<v Speaker 2>knows where we'll be with the assassin.

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Story of course. Yeah, sorry for everyone listening, know that

0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:47.080
<v Speaker 1>we still don't know the identity of the assassin of

0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:53.239
<v Speaker 1>the Sorry United Healthcare CEO shooter. We don't know his

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:54.799
<v Speaker 1>identity and he has not been caught, so.

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Who knows what we'll happen the next two weeks.

0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:00.359
<v Speaker 1>But what's currently happening is people are making joke about

0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:01.800
<v Speaker 1>how he's hot on the internet.

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.920
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like genuinely trying not to get swept up

0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:09.279
<v Speaker 2>in Assassin Fever because i know, like, because it is

0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 2>a ju juicy story and it is so like the

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 2>bullets had writing on them and it was like it

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:15.799
<v Speaker 2>was political, and You're like.

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:17.839
<v Speaker 1>But don't you think that's so V for Vendetta. It's

0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:21.680
<v Speaker 1>so V Frendeta writing on them? Are you kidding me?

0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 2>That's so middle school? Yeah? And yet I'm like finally

0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:29.839
<v Speaker 2>like I'm like this rules and I'm I'm really trying

0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 2>to check in with that and be like when I'm

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:33.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're almost like horny right now, Like we're

0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:37.719
<v Speaker 2>horny for violence, and like I'm when I come, I'm

0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 2>going to be like what was I thinking? Why was

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I so horny for that? Yeah, And so I'm trying

0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:44.839
<v Speaker 2>to not be so horny for it. But I am

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 2>like there is something where it's like very attractive to

0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:51.320
<v Speaker 2>me right now. Yeah, God, they should make a horny

0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 2>that you don't regret later.

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that would be crazy. I would not

0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:59.600
<v Speaker 1>ever need to, you know, work another day in my life.

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 1>For pretty are if there was a horny that did

0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 1>not make you feel shame later or you're kidding me the.

0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Way that like, I feel like it's been happening more

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 2>and more where I will come and then I'll be like,

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:12.640
<v Speaker 2>what have I been doing the last four days? No,

0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like bad, I have been completely thinking wrong because

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:18.799
<v Speaker 2>I've been horny without knowing it.

0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Like, but also but also take me back, this is.

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Men shouldn't be allowed on the government, folks. Okay, here's

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:34.680
<v Speaker 2>a weird out. Okay, and it's not that controversial. But Disney,

0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I think totally. I think Disney is like

0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:39.400
<v Speaker 2>so so so out. And I think before it was

0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:42.160
<v Speaker 2>like Marvel is out, but I think now it's even further,

0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:45.719
<v Speaker 2>like even like adults being like, well, this animated movie

0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:48.240
<v Speaker 2>is actually really good. I think that's out. I think

0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Disney is like beyond out.

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:56.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's I'm also I mean all these live action

0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.160
<v Speaker 1>remakes are It's sort of shocking how I and I

0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.040
<v Speaker 1>saw the trailer for the Snow White one and I

0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:06.239
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, God, you're doing CGI dwarfs.

0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I did not see the trailer for this.

0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:12.960
<v Speaker 1>It's really it's really shocking actually, like and you know,

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I know we have left behind calling things problematic, but like,

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, have little people not been through enough that

0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:28.479
<v Speaker 1>now your way around it is not even casting them

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:31.760
<v Speaker 1>in case it's offense. So you're literally doing basically like

0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:37.200
<v Speaker 1>prejudiced caricatures of little people that as though they're animals,

0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 1>as though they're CGI animals. I'm actually I was shocked

0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:43.200
<v Speaker 1>what I saw that.

0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 2>No, that is such a great point. I'm honestly like

0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:51.000
<v Speaker 2>surprised they're even making this movie because you're just gonna

0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:52.400
<v Speaker 2>step in it in so many ways. Yeah.

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.840
<v Speaker 1>But maybe but as we've said, like, cancel culture is over,

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 1>so maybe it's literally like they're good, it's gonna be fine.

0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:01.840
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be fine. But that for some reason they're canceling.

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Is that Rachel Ziegler, Yeah, they're canceling her because she

0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:08.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like she's like, yeah, I feel fine about It's

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 2>no way. She's like I didn't really grow up with

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 2>it or something. She's like she's not doing the Ariana

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:14.360
<v Speaker 2>thing of like crying every time she's in her totally

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:15.680
<v Speaker 2>like she doesn't care.

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I sort of something I sort of appreciate about her

0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.520
<v Speaker 1>is that she kind of does refuse to play the game.

0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 1>She's always sort of saying something randomly controversial, but then

0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 1>she's also not being controversial enough that it's like slag queen,

0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:30.919
<v Speaker 1>you you did that. It's just sort of being sort

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:32.480
<v Speaker 1>of just putting her foot in it constantly.

0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:34.720
<v Speaker 2>She's sort of just being like, can we wrap this

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:40.280
<v Speaker 2>up like that? All times exactly, And I think that's cool. Yeah, Okay,

0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I have okay, I have an out. I think Sasha

0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:50.959
<v Speaker 2>Baron Cohen is out, oh yeah in a big way.

0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:52.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know he's going to try to do something

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 2>in the Trump in.

0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:57.480
<v Speaker 1>The Trump era. But I'm I actually think it's been

0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 1>a really long time coming, like a really long time coming,

0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Like it is shocking that he got away with doing

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Borat two with and and there wasn't any sort of

0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:14.920
<v Speaker 1>conversation about the larger politics of his work, and.

0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 2>In fact, it got nominated for an Oscar Yes, yes,

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 2>and it was like bor At two. There's this thing

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:27.320
<v Speaker 2>about like in music where like the album sales more

0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.760
<v Speaker 2>reflect the album that came before. And I really think

0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:33.840
<v Speaker 2>that Borat two Is that for movies?

0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:36.240
<v Speaker 1>That's genius. Yes, it's so true.

0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Because people just love Borat one so much that then

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:40.640
<v Speaker 2>they were like, well, we have to support Borat two

0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 2>because Borat one is so beloved, and they're like, but

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.680
<v Speaker 2>I think actually, if a Borat three were to come out,

0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the backlash would come so hard because no one actually

0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:49.640
<v Speaker 2>liked bore At two.

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's and he has been he himself has been

0:59:57.920 --> 0:59:58.760
<v Speaker 1>really annoying.

0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very smug. And now that he's like divorced from

1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.520
<v Speaker 2>from Isla Fisher, Isla Fisher, it's like, wait that was

1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 2>you were like it was charming to know that you

1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:12.120
<v Speaker 2>were with is Fisher totally totally and I was like,

1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:13.880
<v Speaker 2>well she hates you, then I think I might hate

1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:14.360
<v Speaker 2>you as well.

1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:17.400
<v Speaker 1>He's such a smug little bitch, like he thinks he's

1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:23.880
<v Speaker 1>so smart, and he's been encouraged like I mean not

1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:28.520
<v Speaker 1>to be so uh you know, Earnest Earnest, But I'm like,

1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:33.200
<v Speaker 1>where's woman Let a woman have that career? Where is

1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a silly woman doing crazy characters like and I'm so

1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:41.840
<v Speaker 1>sick of It's like because he is, you know, a

1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:47.120
<v Speaker 1>handsome British man he's like allowed to to toe the

1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:51.560
<v Speaker 1>line and to be offensive and to it's like fuck off, enough.

1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Enough and even like the whole like clowning tie into

1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:57.680
<v Speaker 2>his whole deal where he's like I trained to be

1:00:57.680 --> 1:01:00.240
<v Speaker 2>a clown. It's just like all right, Like I don't

1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:06.400
<v Speaker 2>think this is for me. I'm also like he's like

1:01:06.440 --> 1:01:10.080
<v Speaker 2>approached characters. I'm like enough with the voices, Like there's

1:01:10.120 --> 1:01:13.040
<v Speaker 2>something about the Yeah, it's so one on one.

1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:16.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the first thought, it's quite I'm sorry the joke.

1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I this is a problem I've always had.

1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:24.280
<v Speaker 1>But it's like I understand, I'm not an idiot. I

1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:27.880
<v Speaker 1>understand that it's meant to be pointing out racism via

1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:30.640
<v Speaker 1>its own racism. Like I get it. I'm not an idiot,

1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:34.600
<v Speaker 1>but like the whole thing is just my wife like fuck.

1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Well. He also has like sort of classic South Park

1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:44.720
<v Speaker 2>syndrome where it's like, you know, ironic like anti semitism,

1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:47.120
<v Speaker 2>and then it's like but then people just actually do

1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:49.680
<v Speaker 2>it to be anti Semitic. They're like that's so funny,

1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:52.600
<v Speaker 2>and then they're like quoting it, and then when someone's Jewish,

1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:55.480
<v Speaker 2>they're like doing it to them. It's like this is

1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:56.040
<v Speaker 2>so weird.

1:01:56.600 --> 1:01:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's also I mean he is doing I mean

1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:02.160
<v Speaker 1>he is just doing a racist caricature, Like I mean,

1:02:02.240 --> 1:02:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but like if we're taking off Hulu episodes

1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of thirty Rock that have black faced, like, what are

1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:12.480
<v Speaker 1>we doing with corat all? Right?

1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:17.480
<v Speaker 2>So that's my out. Okay, let's see what have I

1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:19.800
<v Speaker 2>not done? Oh okay, here's an inn.

1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I think male singers ooh okay. I think I think

1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:27.800
<v Speaker 2>it's been like the pop girlies have been like such

1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:30.760
<v Speaker 2>a thing. And it's even straight guys are saying like, oh,

1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the pop girlies, the pop girlies, And I think there's

1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:36.080
<v Speaker 2>going to be like it's going to feel new and

1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:40.680
<v Speaker 2>independent to stan a male singer. I'm kind of even

1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:43.880
<v Speaker 2>thinking like a bony bear like someone like really yeah,

1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like your people are going to want a masculine.

1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Voice, I guess, okay, okay, and it's gonna make.

1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Them they're gonna be like, I'm not like other girls.

1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I listen to a man saying.

1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:57.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you think like Iron and Wine, Like it's

1:02:57.400 --> 1:02:59.080
<v Speaker 1>like that kind of thing is kind.

1:02:58.960 --> 1:03:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Of do think that's gonna come back as like a

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to like everything being so glossy and poppy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean one of them. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>such a misogyny to the idea that like a male

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<v Speaker 1>voice is more authentic than a female voice, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what a lot of this is. Okay, I'm I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say it's already happening with like like

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<v Speaker 1>these are people I barely whose work I barely know,

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<v Speaker 1>but like m J. Lenderman is like getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Big McGee McGee, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. Also the Bone of Ar record I think

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<v Speaker 1>is like well received.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's I think it's going to continue.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to continue trending. And similarly, h

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've seen it a little bit, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think like the TikTok generation is going to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>find twenty tens indie rock and reappropriate it in ways

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<v Speaker 2>that people our age are annoyed at. And like I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're gonna like find like of Montreal and like

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be like a viral trend to of Montreal

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna be like what the hell? And but

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<v Speaker 2>it is, like it's just it's gonna keep happening. They're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna like find like Beach House teenage dream or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's natives. Yes, yeah, even like I saw it,

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<v Speaker 2>like somebody posted on Twitter the like MGMT performing in

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<v Speaker 2>college and which obviously it was like damn a cocaine

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<v Speaker 2>to me watching that. But I do think more and

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<v Speaker 2>more of that is going to happen, like that nostalgia

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<v Speaker 2>and repurposing of twenty ten stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's time for it. It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just there's just like a bucket of things that

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<v Speaker 1>happened in the twenty tens and there where there. People

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna keep fishing, putting their little fishing hooks in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever comes up is gonna trend for a month.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's gonna be like annoying because everyone's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to post about how it makes them feel old,

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<v Speaker 2>and that only adds adds to it. It's just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be this whole cycle over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Relate it to that Santa Gold renaissance now.

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<v Speaker 2>That I would love, I would love it could fit

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<v Speaker 2>into that trend. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She is one of these figures that's like maybe she

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<v Speaker 1>could save us, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at any point she could pop in and

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<v Speaker 2>save us. Yeah, damn I love her. Okay, I know

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<v Speaker 2>I love her too. Okay, Okay, here's a specific one.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know the actress Jane Adams. No, look her up.

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<v Speaker 1>She was in The Idol most recently, and she's in

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<v Speaker 1>so many iconics. She's just like a classic andie film actress. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>got it, Okay, I think she's going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>big you know when people did it with Laura duran

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<v Speaker 1>where they were like, she's like, she's been good consistently,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's never gotten her due. I mean it's different

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<v Speaker 1>because actually, Laura Durne had starring roles throughout her career,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas Jane Adams was always sort of a character actress.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think she has been so consistently good and

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<v Speaker 1>has never had her moment that I'm like, I'm seeing it,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm seeing a sort of maybe it'll be some

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<v Speaker 1>indie movie she's in that does like really well in Toronto,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's like a grassroots campaign, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>like a Vulture article that's like Jane Adams has always

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<v Speaker 1>been that girl.

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<v Speaker 2>She's gonna get like the Melanie Linsky treatments.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, the Melanie Linsky treatment, because she is so good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>She's good at both drama and comedy. She is so

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<v Speaker 1>like sort of like effortlessly cool in her own way.

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<v Speaker 1>She also is able to be both. She's able to

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<v Speaker 1>not be type cast. Like her role in The Idol

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<v Speaker 1>is so different than she plays Hannah Iminder's mom and hacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like so like midwestern mom and hacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I had forgotten about that.

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<v Speaker 1>She's actually in this amazing movie. Well amazing as generous,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's in this movie I believe called The Anniversary Party,

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<v Speaker 1>which is directed by Alan Cumming and oh god, Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Lee. No wait, hold on, I'm looking it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer jason Lee allen coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, you've nailed that.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's really she's definitely the best part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just think it's gonna happen for her.

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<v Speaker 2>I like this, Yeah, this is fun. I like when

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<v Speaker 2>you get really specific with it. I think that's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I had an out okay that this is complicated, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think Florida is out like Sam, I think caring

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<v Speaker 2>about wait what I have?

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a third section called question mark, which

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<v Speaker 1>I can't decide if it's in or out, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just two things it's Florida and it's satire. I literally

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<v Speaker 1>kept going back and forth because I was like, there

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<v Speaker 1>is an argument to be made for both. In some ways,

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<v Speaker 1>it's never been more in it is like Maga Central,

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<v Speaker 1>the like crazy just like the crazy like maximalism of

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<v Speaker 1>Florida is like really having a moment, uh huh. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course, on the other hand, it's like I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>sick of Florida as like a signifier of that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of American debauchery. Like it's like it's it's it's like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's like, you know, having an orgy, and then an

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<v Speaker 1>alligator shows up, and then a woman with giant tits

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<v Speaker 1>like one of them pops and then she like floats,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just it's such a like this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like debaucherous like celebration of grossness and excess. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think it's just like I think people

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<v Speaker 2>are sick of it. I think people are sick of

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<v Speaker 2>even jokes about it, and people are sick of like

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<v Speaker 2>caring about it. And so I think it's like like

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<v Speaker 2>there's it's gonna be crazy political things that happened under

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<v Speaker 2>Trump in Florida still like the burning whatever, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>like banning all these books, banning who knows what, like

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<v Speaker 2>trans people from going to bathrooms, and it's like, but

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<v Speaker 2>people are just gonna be like, well fuck it, like

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<v Speaker 2>that's Florida. I'm not gonna think about it in like

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<v Speaker 2>a weird way, Like yeah, I almost think like it's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the same thing about you said going to

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<v Speaker 2>the ballet and stuff, where there's something about Florida where

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<v Speaker 2>it used to be like we've got to do something

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<v Speaker 2>or like or we got to make fun of them,

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<v Speaker 2>And now I think it's like they're their own thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't really want to hear about it. No.

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<v Speaker 1>It is sort of this weird amusement park people can

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<v Speaker 1>move to if they like don't want to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the real world. I my friend Tarpley, who's a journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote like some big feature on how it's becoming like

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<v Speaker 1>Trump Central, and this was like three years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>so through that she met all these kind of crazy characters,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them is this woman. She has one

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<v Speaker 1>million Instagram followers, and her thing is she is a

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<v Speaker 1>realtor with comically giant fake boobs, like they're literally like

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like she's a cartoon. They're so large that

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<v Speaker 1>her dog can sleep, can lie on one of them

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<v Speaker 1>and take a nap on top of it. Whoa and

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<v Speaker 1>her and her entire feed is pro Trump and pro

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<v Speaker 1>Israel like disinformation, and she's like this, she looks like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the cock destroyers, like and she's literally like,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's three things you gotta know about me, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a realtor, I have giant fake hits, and I love

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. Like, and you're just sort of like, where

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<v Speaker 1>do we go from here?

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<v Speaker 2>Where do we go from here? It's it's confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's see I have Oh, this is a quick one.

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<v Speaker 1>Solo shows are out like, oh oh, a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>this had, you know, things like the Nette and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It had a long tail. Still they're doing relatively well

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<v Speaker 1>in Edinburgh and on Broadway. I mean, Baby Reindeer started

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<v Speaker 1>out as a solo show, you know, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>think I actually think Cole doing O Mary and having

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<v Speaker 1>it be a real play rather than a solo show

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<v Speaker 1>was like the death knell that solo shows needed, because

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<v Speaker 1>what people expected from Cole was to go to Omary

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<v Speaker 1>and have it be them doing like a monologue as

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Todd Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the fact that they were able to

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<v Speaker 1>like not only not do that, but really succeed at

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<v Speaker 1>not doing that means that the new thing that people

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<v Speaker 1>are going to try is doing their own O Mary

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<v Speaker 1>rather than doing their own the net.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn, that is so smart. I think it's hard for

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<v Speaker 2>me to I hadn't thought about that because I even

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<v Speaker 2>even though I've seen Omary and I know it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a solo show, but to me, in my mind, I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's Cole solo show, and it just fully is not.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a play. It is a play. Yeah, people

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<v Speaker 2>are going to do that. And I also think if

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<v Speaker 2>there are our solo shows, they're going to be very unseerious.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to be silly, silly, silly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this self seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're gonna have a twist. Like I think it

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<v Speaker 1>could be that like part way through a second character

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<v Speaker 1>is introduced and you're sort of shocked because you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this was a solo show, or or it's

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<v Speaker 1>like actually, I was thinking about this when we had

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<v Speaker 1>Casey Jane Alison on the pod. That type of thing

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<v Speaker 1>could be a new take on it. It's like it

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<v Speaker 1>is a solo show in the sense that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>one woman show, but it is fictional and she's doing

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<v Speaker 1>different characters. Like that could maybe work. But what's out

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<v Speaker 1>is like a comedian having trauma and having a show

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<v Speaker 1>shaped around that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have trauma, pack it up, Mama.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, literally, go see you in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, And actually this is a I have maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this will be my last okay, okay one, which we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about a little bit on the Alana episode. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>spoiler alert because this is coming up before that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, we have. We have a lot of Glazer

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<v Speaker 1>coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think therapy, but being chill about it, I

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<v Speaker 2>think the like like tongue in cheek, like fuck you

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<v Speaker 2>go to therapy is out. But I do think people

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be sort of like at a dinner

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<v Speaker 2>party and it'll be like, I mean, yeah, I am

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<v Speaker 2>in therapy. Like it's gonna be like there's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an appropriate level of shame around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, like therapy, talking about your therapist in the same

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<v Speaker 1>way you would talk about your primary care physician or

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<v Speaker 1>your dentist. It is not a cure all. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not like men need to go to therapy. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not dramatic. It is like just normal.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know last year we said therapy is out.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was then now it's back in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's back in, and it's like but with a subtle twist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, no, I think it's back in. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that like, uh, now that the hype around it has

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<v Speaker 1>died down, we can just go to therapy normal.

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<v Speaker 2>We can go to therapy normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I think I can just maybe like mention a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of other ones without going into them too much.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the same way that gay men, in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind unsuccessfully ultimately tried to appropriate pearl necklaces. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the next stage of that is like New Mexico's

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<v Speaker 1>style turquoise jewelry. I think it's gay men wearing like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the turquoise jewelry that like a really liberal

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<v Speaker 1>mom would wear.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so funny. That is so funny. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of thinking of something similar, which I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure if I believe it or not, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>where do we stand on like a leather bracelet, because

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<v Speaker 2>we've done like these sort of tony soprano metal bracelets

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<v Speaker 2>and I still like that and I think that's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am like there's a whole material that we're

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<v Speaker 2>forgetting about that like was dominant for a while. And

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if it's gonna in a leather with a turquoise.

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<v Speaker 2>I think could really pop back in definitely, And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like it. I don't think that looks good, but

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<v Speaker 2>but I do think it will. It could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sculpture I think is in. Oh, I think it will.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's actually like it's like the most anti

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<v Speaker 1>digital thing you could do is create three dimensional art,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It's like the backlash against

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<v Speaker 1>our phone addictions, against social media addiction, against like everything

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, and also against things that don't require any skill.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, even if your sculpture is just one cone,

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<v Speaker 1>at least you had to carve it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I like this a lot, and I even

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<v Speaker 2>think as home decor it's like a little fun, playful

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<v Speaker 2>thing because I've been noticing that I've been getting like

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<v Speaker 2>I found this like wooden dolphins sculpture, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so playful, and yet in the in the

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<v Speaker 2>room it looks amazing. You're like, this is so funny

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<v Speaker 2>and I and I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then very quickly. I think that I think talking

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<v Speaker 1>about college campuses is out, but it will come back

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly. Yeah, Like I just think, like an obsession

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<v Speaker 1>with college campuses is out, but I think because this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff comes in waves, it's like give it a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I also think just like talking about stand

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<v Speaker 1>culture is out, like I think we did it. It

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of interesting for a second. It's such a

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<v Speaker 1>shortcut to trying to seem interesting to talk about, like

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about like the ills of stan culture, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, there's some people that are like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of insane that are on their computer all day. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that will always exist. It's not it doesn't say anything

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<v Speaker 1>larger about our society.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think also with things moving away from Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>and being more on TikTok, I think it's like less

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It feels like less faceless to be attacked,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like less likely I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then my final thing is, just as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>my two question marks were Florida and satire, And I

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<v Speaker 1>want to just spend like thirty seconds on satire because

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<v Speaker 1>I do think at some point I think we even

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<v Speaker 1>said satire was out last year because I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was its power was clearly diminished, Like there has not

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<v Speaker 1>been a powerful satire in a very long time. But

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<v Speaker 1>there is something about this new Trump era where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>if maybe everything is so discombobulated, everyone has sort of

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<v Speaker 1>admitted defeat in terms of our current forms of resistance

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm like, maybe there will just be a generation

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<v Speaker 1>defining satiricalject like art object of some sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I even think, like I know, he's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>been making these types of videos forever and he's been

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<v Speaker 2>like written about a million times, but I really think

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the Conra O'Malley style of like embodying the

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<v Speaker 2>evil man is going to continue to be more and

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<v Speaker 2>more popular and you're going to see a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>people doing it. And I think, like I and I

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<v Speaker 2>actually think I really like his style, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>he will, like I wonder what he'll do in this

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<v Speaker 2>new Trump era because it is like he has such

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<v Speaker 2>a way of like being insane about it that I

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<v Speaker 2>do think is like the only thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I wonder. I've been actually really

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to watch the Boots Riley show I'm a verb.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I haven't seen that, but there.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a you know, when Sorry to Bother You came out,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is something like what if this

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<v Speaker 1>ushers in a new era of this kind of of satire?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I just think it's really hard to get

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<v Speaker 1>things like that made. Yeah, but I wonder if if

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<v Speaker 1>a Boots.

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<v Speaker 2>Riley sort of more bald fasally like commenting on like

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<v Speaker 2>yeah money and like systems rather than like on like

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has a silly voice. Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good, good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean even the substance. I don't think the

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<v Speaker 1>substance is an amazing sad tire. I'm sorry to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it is. You know, it's on the

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<v Speaker 1>right track.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey. The more I sit with it, the more I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I liked it, to be clear, I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily think it was like an amazing sad tire. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was like an amazing kind of like crazy

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<v Speaker 1>over the top body horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, I mean this

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<v Speaker 2>has been I think this has been good. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like this is an electric episode. I feel very I

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<v Speaker 2>think I came in My were really cynical and You've

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<v Speaker 2>made me feel optimistic about the future. And and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>time keeps ticking and things change, and it's there's good

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<v Speaker 2>and there's bad, and I for one am excited.

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<v Speaker 1>But and and let's just not get neutral or complacent.

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<v Speaker 1>You can you can take a step back and take

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<v Speaker 1>in what's going on around you. That's okay, but don't

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<v Speaker 1>accept it blindly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have a nightcap and talk about communism.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, Nike apps is That's like maybe the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>idea we've had.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like being so excited. I'm like really, I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>imagining being out and being like, do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>have a nightcap at our place? Like? Oh, how fun? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Damn Okay, Well, well happy, yes.

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