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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now. Wow Wow Wow. First of all, Happy
Speaker 2: holidays from holidays here as Tradio Lab.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. I know, I said I wasn't in
Speaker 1: the holiday mood last time we spoke about the concept
Speaker 1: of being in the holiday mood, but I actually fully am.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling in a big way. I think being in LA,
Speaker 2: you really have to manufacture it. And so I've made
Speaker 2: a conscious choice to like put on Christmas music, like
Speaker 2: to like pretend like it's cold out, and so I'm
Speaker 2: kind of feeling it's kind of working.
Speaker 1: You know, I really want to get into LA, first
Speaker 1: of all, the concept of manufacturing and Los Angeles more broadly,
Speaker 1: because of course, like so many things in LA, initially
Speaker 1: it seems surface level and then you realize it text
Speaker 1: the deepest possible, the deepest possible concept. It's like, at first,
Speaker 1: you know you want to be like, well, of course
Speaker 1: everything's manufactured in LA. You manufacturer holiday Spirit, you manufacturer Buzz,
Speaker 1: your manufacturer wards Buzz, manufacturer beauty. You can go to
Speaker 1: the doctor say I want on your face, okay, And
Speaker 1: so initially that seems like, oh, it's a vapid it's
Speaker 1: this vapid town. No, no, no, In fact, it's actually
Speaker 1: a window into how everything is made. You think it's
Speaker 1: just LA that's manufacturing the holiday spirit, honey, it's all manufactured,
Speaker 1: and not just that, but LA is so much better
Speaker 1: than everywhere else because it is upfront about it and
Speaker 1: because it invented manufacturing holidays.
Speaker 2: Say, it knows how to manufacture better than anyone else. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they can manufacture in a way that other people
Speaker 2: can only dream of.
Speaker 1: And the fact that that is the industry, that's the
Speaker 1: town's industry, in fact, makes it not dumber but more sophisticated,
Speaker 1: like it is, are you kidding me? Everyone else is
Speaker 1: going around thinking the holiday spirit is natural. People know
Speaker 1: it's crafted. They know it's crafted, and they are like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's have a meeting and talk about how
Speaker 1: we can craft it. For Q four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the Paramot lot where I work, they set
Speaker 2: up a big Christmas tree and they had like Christmas
Speaker 2: tree lighting with like a band that played like Christmas
Speaker 2: hits and they had fake snow And I'm like, now
Speaker 2: that is genius, Like yeah, it's fully like sixty five
Speaker 2: degrees out and they're like having fake snow women in
Speaker 2: little like Santa outfits, like singing a song about Christmas.
Speaker 1: It's groundbreaking stuff. It's interesting thinking about that. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: am I more moved? This is a really important question.
Speaker 1: Am I more moved by the manufactured fake snow just
Speaker 1: by the human ability to create something like that? Or
Speaker 1: am I more moved by suddenly everything is fake? Everything
Speaker 1: is fake. You go outside in you York, real snow
Speaker 1: is like the fact that breaking through all the fake stuff.
Speaker 1: Is that more emotionally resonant or is the is the
Speaker 1: incredible effort to create something more emotionally resonant? And I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, from my own perspective, I do feel
Speaker 2: that the natural snow feels grander. It's nice to be like,
Speaker 2: no one created this but the weather. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: it actually it feels like it's from a higher power.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you almost have to go through both.
Speaker 1: You have to first be moved by the fake snow
Speaker 1: and go through the process of telling yourself how beautiful
Speaker 1: this is. We did it. We came up with the
Speaker 1: technology to create snow, and that's enough. You have a
Speaker 1: day of thinking that's enough. Then you go outside you
Speaker 1: see real snow. It's even more moving due to your
Speaker 1: previous the previous process of convincing yourself that the fake
Speaker 1: snow was moving.
Speaker 2: It's like, this is what snow is based on. Yeh, yeh,
Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, snow is based on snow.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like going to an incredible Michelin star
Speaker 1: rated molecular astronomy restaurant having the meal of your life.
Speaker 1: Next day, you know you have to go to your grandma's.
Speaker 1: You're sort of dreading it. You know, it's it's tough
Speaker 1: seeing your family members get old. Last time you saw her,
Speaker 1: maybe she said something a little problematic. You go there,
Speaker 1: she gives you she said, oh I made a pound cake.
Speaker 1: Like here we fucking go. You have a taste of
Speaker 1: the pound cake. You start crying.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Real snow is grandma's pound cake. Fake snow is gastronomy.
Speaker 1: Well, let's we are. We are in it. We are
Speaker 1: locked in.
Speaker 2: Should we just start, Well, we should start. And so
Speaker 2: today we're going to be covering the ins and outs
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five because you know what a year
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four has been. We have experienced it in
Speaker 2: so many ways. Shout out to the new pop girls.
Speaker 2: We have a whole new generation of things. All of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I would say, it happened so fast.
Speaker 1: It was a it was a good year for.
Speaker 2: What was it? A good year for I think it
Speaker 2: was a good year for change.
Speaker 1: It was a good year for change. It was a
Speaker 1: good year for I mean, dare I say it was
Speaker 1: a good year for pop culture?
Speaker 2: Dare I say to.
Speaker 1: Phrase it in such straightforward, crass terms, like there's something about, uh,
Speaker 1: there is something about you know, even just the triumph
Speaker 1: of Charlie xx. Yeah, alt one, alt one, And it's
Speaker 1: almost like it won too much. Yeah. And and gay
Speaker 1: guys won, and gay guys won in both good and
Speaker 1: bad ways, like gay guys also won in absolutely repugnant ways.
Speaker 1: I mean literally, there are two gay men that are
Speaker 1: gonna or there's one gay man that's gonna be in
Speaker 1: Trump's cabinet. And now they I read this, if he
Speaker 1: gets if he gets confirmed, there will have been three
Speaker 1: gay men total that have been in like cabinet level positions.
Speaker 1: And of the three, two two of them were in
Speaker 1: different Trump administrations.
Speaker 2: Who's the gay man in Trump's cabinet.
Speaker 1: It's the guy Oh my god, you know that headgshrend
Speaker 1: manager that beset. Oh god, I am so ignorant.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know this was happening. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: am the ignorant one.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Scott Bessent, Scott Bessent.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be Who's going to be Treasury secretary?
Speaker 2: Wow? You know I hooked up with the Canadian Secretary
Speaker 2: of Treasury once.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, hopefully he wasn't right wing.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know where he stood. I just knew
Speaker 2: that he was the Canadian Secretary of as well.
Speaker 1: So I've read a little bit about the Scott Bessent
Speaker 1: and apologizes if it's Bessent, because you know, I swear
Speaker 1: by print media. I'm not gonna turn on a television
Speaker 1: to tell me how to pronounce something. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like it doesn't look like it's hards in the
Speaker 1: right place. Let's just say that.
Speaker 2: Let's just say that.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting that of the three people you know,
Speaker 1: Buddha Judge of course is the one Democrat and the
Speaker 1: other two. One was in the first Trump administration, one
Speaker 1: is uh is going to be in the second fingers crossed.
Speaker 1: He it's been from y'all foray for gay progress anyway.
Speaker 1: The point is to go back to your to your
Speaker 1: assertion gay one, both in good and bad ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and gay one, I mean gay lesbians one two
Speaker 2: I do think, well, I think the whole Chapel thing
Speaker 2: is like, well, at least bisexuals one. I think bisexuals
Speaker 2: really feel emboldened right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, but I think Chapel and Renee Rap
Speaker 1: did the interesting thing of like really of all of
Speaker 1: truly transitioning from by to lesbian. That's true, which is
Speaker 1: interesting because it used to be the stereotype used to
Speaker 1: be quote unquote bisexual for clout. Now that's not something
Speaker 1: I made up, so don't come at me.
Speaker 2: Both that used to put down.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting. It's an interesting thing that these
Speaker 1: two by you know, high profile bisexual musicians both were like,
Speaker 1: I am a lesbian. Yeah, so in that sense, lesbians
Speaker 1: did win.
Speaker 2: That sends lesbian's one. I do think. I'm feeling like
Speaker 2: bisexual women are taking on the aesthetics of lesbians more
Speaker 2: and more, even if they're not saying that least haven't.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, have we had this conversation before?
Speaker 1: I'm having incredible day, Javou, Like we we literally have
Speaker 1: had a conversation bisexual women are going from straight to lesbian? Right?
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have. If we have, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's not your fault. But but bisexuals,
Speaker 1: by the way, nowhere in my ins and outs. But
Speaker 1: since we're on the topic, I'm almost like, is that
Speaker 1: is bisexual is? Are bisexuals out?
Speaker 2: I do think bisexual jokes have reached a natural endpoint,
Speaker 2: and with that, I also think I do kind of
Speaker 2: think bisexual is out.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. I think the initial round of
Speaker 1: bisexual jokes, you know, very mean spirited, Like the idea
Speaker 1: that people actually think quote unquote bisexuals don't exist is over,
Speaker 1: which is a great thing. And I think it's great
Speaker 1: to have bisexual visibility. Some of my best friends are bisexual.
Speaker 1: We are some of the best guests we've had on
Speaker 1: this podcast are bisexual. Because now we've reached bisexual acceptance,
Speaker 1: what happens is, potentially people will feel more empowered to
Speaker 1: make jokes because it's a much more stable category in
Speaker 1: the sense that you and I can make gig eye
Speaker 1: jokes and say the f slur because we're not worried
Speaker 1: that we're going to be stoned when we leave our apartments.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like maybe a second round of bisexual
Speaker 1: humor has more JOI de vive because it's not as
Speaker 1: hateful and mean spirited.
Speaker 2: I love that theory. I hope you're right.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I think we should get into it because
Speaker 1: we have long lists.
Speaker 2: We have long lists. I didn't say how many. We
Speaker 2: didn't tell each other how many are on each other's lists.
Speaker 1: I haven't decided how many I'm gonna do. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I have got you.
Speaker 2: Kick us off.
Speaker 1: I have an out that I think might be a
Speaker 1: good intro. Okay, So my first out is the paranoid,
Speaker 1: defensive style of speaking. So this is something I'm very
Speaker 1: guilty of. I'll give you an example. I'm introducing the
Speaker 1: concept of ins and outs, and I say, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously these are not literal. Obviously we are just having
Speaker 1: fun here. And of course some of these are not
Speaker 1: are not worded in a way that kind of talking
Speaker 1: that's out Wow, And it's such a it's such a
Speaker 1: specifically millennial style of talking. I would say it is
Speaker 1: the style of talking you get from growing up with
Speaker 1: like digital media that is constantly telling you which things
Speaker 1: are good and which things are problematic. It is growing
Speaker 1: up with this like obsession with analyzing pop culture and
Speaker 1: with literally being like I watched an episode of friends,
Speaker 1: but having to first caveat that with being like, well,
Speaker 1: I know it's a show that can be really not
Speaker 1: inclusive at times.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't I don't love that they like
Speaker 2: are all white, but exactly show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's something about that that is actually doing
Speaker 1: the opposite of what you think it's doing, because you
Speaker 1: think that you are being so intelligent, but in fact,
Speaker 1: what you're doing is disrespecting your audience because guess what
Speaker 1: your audience knows, friends is white.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's preparing for like the internet. Yeah, like to
Speaker 2: consume it.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2: You don't need to do that anymore.
Speaker 1: And it's this, it's imagining the worst kind of reaction
Speaker 1: to every little thing you're thinking. And it also stems
Speaker 1: from a place of narcissism too, because you're like, you
Speaker 1: adopt this tone of like giving a press release, giving
Speaker 1: a press conference, and it's like you're just some guy.
Speaker 2: You think people are really unpacking your words and.
Speaker 1: It's likely no one gives a shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and actually this kind of goes with an
Speaker 2: inn that I also think is obvious and almost too
Speaker 2: obvious to So I'll get it out up top but
Speaker 2: casual bigotry. I think will be very very in yes,
Speaker 2: And I think like because now there's almost like like
Speaker 2: it's already been on like podcast culture, like calling things
Speaker 2: gay pejorative word. Yeah, yeah, But I think it'll become
Speaker 2: more mainstream. I think it'll be on TV shows. I
Speaker 2: think like, and it'll be like in this way that's
Speaker 2: like self aware and they're not like trying to be problematic,
Speaker 2: but it will be like we'll look back on it
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, that was weird that that was
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the classic. The first time this happened
Speaker 1: then it was there was like a famous internet essay
Speaker 1: about this, and I wish I knew where it was.
Speaker 1: But someone like coined the term ironic racism. Do you
Speaker 1: remember this? This was like a thing people really talked about.
Speaker 1: And it's very much.
Speaker 2: Like early two thousands common early.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like think about the the like Austin Powers humor,
Speaker 1: think about like.
Speaker 2: Sarah Silverman when like, yes special back then.
Speaker 1: Sarah Silverman's special blackface, Jimmy Fallon doing blackface like this
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. My worry is that this new
Speaker 1: round of it will actually be like more violent or
Speaker 1: not violent, but like less ironic, like yeah, I'm almost
Speaker 1: there's a real mean spiritedness to it that's like a
Speaker 1: backlash to the kind of wave of the latest wave
Speaker 1: of political correctness that let's say was defined like the
Speaker 1: twenty tens, and which is why.
Speaker 2: You're like, way of speaking, I think ties into it
Speaker 2: because you aren't gonna be worried about whether they're coming
Speaker 2: off as bigoted. They'll be like, well, yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: I don't care if someone misunderstands me. I don't need
Speaker 2: to get caveat this. Yeah, which I mean, it is
Speaker 2: a bummer. It's going to be annoying, and it's going
Speaker 2: to be like it's like a little it's like the
Speaker 2: evil calls like it like it will feel fun, Like
Speaker 2: you'll want to be bad and be like I can
Speaker 2: do that, I can do that.
Speaker 1: But you like it's this false promise of freedom, like
Speaker 1: it's you're sort of it's such a warped view of
Speaker 1: freedom because what you actually want is not not to
Speaker 1: be racist. What you actually want is to like be
Speaker 1: allowed to make.
Speaker 3: Art and and and you and and a certain type
Speaker 3: of person gets a rush from saying something inappropriate and
Speaker 3: that masquerades as real creative output.
Speaker 2: Or something. Yeah, I think you will see like a
Speaker 2: stand up comedian who is straight, like do a gay
Speaker 2: character as like and it'll like be viral. This is
Speaker 2: my prediction. These are my predictions. Just thought I could say, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's see I can do an in Okay, this.
Speaker 2: Is like Christmas. I feel like we're like sharing presents
Speaker 2: for each other.
Speaker 1: It's so much fun. Okay. I have two that are
Speaker 1: very related. So I think cultural like elitist forms of
Speaker 1: art like going to the opera, going to the ballet,
Speaker 1: going to the theater, but not like Broadway musicals, like
Speaker 1: going to the theater and being like well versed in
Speaker 1: Chekhov's plays, but especially things like the opera and the ballet.
Speaker 1: And then related to that is formalware. Like I said
Speaker 1: last year that workwhere would be out. I'm taking a
Speaker 1: step further. I really think we're gonna start seeing like ties,
Speaker 1: like people wearing ties to their tech job. Like ties.
Speaker 1: Ties are back in a huge way, and not bow
Speaker 1: ties because bow ties have a flare, of ironic flare.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be it's gonna be like your father's Brooks
Speaker 1: Brothers tie. Yeah. Related to this, you know the met
Speaker 1: Gala theme this coming year is the the Black Dandy
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And I think potentially, like the aesthetics of
Speaker 1: the Dandy will really be in the cultural, in the
Speaker 1: culture in a way that will then remind people how
Speaker 1: fun it is to dress in sort of formal, over
Speaker 1: the top ways, and they'll be like, you know, opening
Speaker 1: their closets looking at all their pairs of Stan ray
Speaker 1: pants and Carhart and they'll say, oh my god, what
Speaker 1: have I been missing out on all these years?
Speaker 2: Wow? This is an interesting theory. I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I mean, the problem with the ins and outs for
Speaker 2: this year is, of course, Trump is looming over all
Speaker 2: of it. Of course, so I do feel that like
Speaker 2: you saying, sort of the opera the ballet is back,
Speaker 2: I do think is true. And I do think it's
Speaker 2: because people are going to be annoyed at popular culture
Speaker 2: and almost taking pride in their alienation.
Speaker 1: And I think related to Trump. Last time, okay, let's
Speaker 1: say we're okay. Cultural elites. Last time Trump won, their
Speaker 1: instinct was to quote unquote relate to the common American,
Speaker 1: and I think this time it will be the opposite.
Speaker 1: It'll be be sort of reaffirming their own elite status.
Speaker 1: With no care in the world, Like before they weren't
Speaker 1: going to the opera. Before they were like I'm going
Speaker 1: to travel to Kentucky and meet a farmer. And now
Speaker 1: they're going to the opera and in hushed tones they're like,
Speaker 1: aren't farmers so stupid?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're kind of like you guys voted for him.
Speaker 2: You can add yes, yes, we're going to the opera, right,
Speaker 2: So that's that's great. I have a related in Okay,
Speaker 2: go being rich and not ashamed. I think before it
Speaker 2: was about if you had money, you would hide it,
Speaker 2: and now I think, well, we're going to see like
Speaker 2: I think early two thousands really did this too, where
Speaker 2: it's like you really like are like ooh, I want
Speaker 2: to be rich rich, like that girl's rich and that's awesome,
Speaker 2: Like oh, we have to go to this club where
Speaker 2: all the rich people go, and I think it'll be
Speaker 2: like rich is in. No one's going to be Bushwick
Speaker 2: is out basically, and you're not pretending to be poor anymore.
Speaker 2: You're like riches in, rich is in.
Speaker 1: And I think something that's semi related to that is
Speaker 1: the general exhaustion with a NEPO baby conversation like yeah,
Speaker 1: it no longer scratches an itch to be like, look
Speaker 1: I discover his tax returns. He's rich. No one cares anymore.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, the idea that I that I am like,
Speaker 1: did you know that actress's father is a billionaire?
Speaker 2: No one cares, No one cares, And it's like you'll
Speaker 2: almost just assume it. Yeah, it's like, yeah, she's an actress. Okay,
Speaker 2: I have an out that I can do. Okay.
Speaker 1: I think something that's out to me is the concept
Speaker 1: of press tours. Like interesting, there's I press toars now
Speaker 1: for huge movies like you know, Barbie Wicked whatever, they
Speaker 1: last basically three years. Yeah, And I know we just
Speaker 1: said that the kind of like over the top aesthetics
Speaker 1: of wealth are in. But I actually think this the
Speaker 1: sort of over the top like marketing budget is out,
Speaker 1: Like I can't. I think there's gonna be exhaustion with
Speaker 1: just like seeing these celebrities say the same personal anecdotes
Speaker 1: over and over again, like seeing the like the way
Speaker 1: we were charmed by Gaga saying there can be one
Speaker 1: hundred people in a room a million times, I think
Speaker 1: was like the peak of how charming that can be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to agree with you this one I'm
Speaker 2: struggling with because I am like, I feel like I
Speaker 2: still think I think memes are going to continue to
Speaker 2: be sort of the main Internet humor, and I think
Speaker 2: it's such a generator for that, and I think this
Speaker 2: Wicked tour almost made it so it's like clearer that
Speaker 2: that's the case. Like I think people are going to
Speaker 2: try to be more insane to get pressed for their movie.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe right, because because in fact, the memes
Speaker 1: that have been made from the press tour are way
Speaker 1: more sticky than the ones that have been made about
Speaker 1: the movie itself. I mean, which is so interesting to
Speaker 1: think about, Like for let's say, for a Star is Born,
Speaker 1: which is where a hundred people in a room came
Speaker 1: from the things we remember. The things that were memes
Speaker 1: were actually from the movie. It was like her fake songs,
Speaker 1: like the fact that her name was Ali, or the
Speaker 1: looking back thing, the looking back thing. Whereas now it's
Speaker 1: it's complicated because on the one hand, I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying. On the other hand, I'm almost like, well,
Speaker 1: that's even more to my point because that it's going
Speaker 1: to reach a fever pitch where people no longer like
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's a sustainable plan to have
Speaker 1: more and more complex press tours. Yeah, we'll get tired
Speaker 1: of celebrities. And I and I really like celebrities have
Speaker 1: been out for a while.
Speaker 2: No, that's true, that's true. They don't have to pretend
Speaker 2: riches in. But you still if you're a celebrity, you
Speaker 2: have to almost pretend to not be You have to
Speaker 2: be like humble or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's see this one's kind of complicated.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think an out is queer as inherent good.
Speaker 1: Oh. I like that we found it earlier when we
Speaker 1: said gay one, but in both good and bad ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think as it's like more and more mainstream,
Speaker 2: like it's like every every pop person is queer, like
Speaker 2: you're queer coded or queer Like it's like even like
Speaker 2: people like Charlie XCX is straight, but it's like this
Speaker 2: is queer music. And I think it's going to be
Speaker 2: like that's not going to be just like a synonym
Speaker 2: for good. I think it's just going to be like
Speaker 2: it's going to lose its power as a brand exercise.
Speaker 1: It's also just like no longer even a synonym for
Speaker 1: semi good politics, like at one point, even the word
Speaker 1: queer was like reclaiming a slur, and it meant that
Speaker 1: you had more radical politics than someone who referred to
Speaker 1: themselves as gay. Obviously, I'm painting in broad strokes. Oh look,
Speaker 1: I'm doing defensive time. And I just think it's over
Speaker 1: and again in ways that are both bad and good.
Speaker 1: Of course, in some ways, what you what we have
Speaker 1: always wanted, is like mass acceptance where you're not defined
Speaker 1: by your sexual identity. But in other ways, of course,
Speaker 1: I wish there wasn't a gay guy in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I have.
Speaker 1: I have two food related inns that I can do
Speaker 1: together because they're not super interesting.
Speaker 2: Great, I have a food related profound in as well.
Speaker 2: All right, so out Actually sorry.
Speaker 1: Spaghetti and meatballs. Really, I think spaghetti meet balls are in.
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, we went through the very
Speaker 1: long Burger and Martini era where that was like the
Speaker 1: comfort food everyone craved, and I just think the next
Speaker 1: chapter of that is spaghetti and meatballs. I like like
Speaker 1: having people over and having a giant bowl of spaghetti
Speaker 1: and meatballs and like, you know, having I think there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a sort of like Alison Romanesque actually, Alison
Speaker 1: has a great meatbal recipe, but I think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be like some sort of viral moment or something that
Speaker 1: or even even like a movie moment, like a Lady
Speaker 1: in the Tramp spaghetti moment. Like there's gonna be something
Speaker 1: that puts spaghetti on the meatballs back on the map
Speaker 1: in a big way. I actually am saying this from
Speaker 1: personal experience, because I had a dinner party where I
Speaker 1: served spagetti and meatballs, and I got more compliments than
Speaker 1: I've ever gotten on like more difficult things I've cooked
Speaker 1: or baked or anything that's basically all anyone wants.
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the most genius predictions
Speaker 2: of all time, the way that instantly when you said this,
Speaker 2: it clicked with me. And I'm like, because people still
Speaker 2: are wanting the simple, They're still wanting to feel the
Speaker 2: burger and martini vibe, but they've had enough burgers and
Speaker 2: they've had enough Martini's. Like, I think you're so right
Speaker 2: about the speating meat pulse. Do you have a like cocktail? Like, yes,
Speaker 2: what is the cocktail?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not a single cocktail, but I think Amorrow
Speaker 1: based cocktails are gonna be big last night. I so
Speaker 1: we sort of just have not like restocked our alcohol
Speaker 1: in a while, and we have a very random assortment
Speaker 1: of things. So when people come over, I'm constantly being like,
Speaker 1: do you want to vermouth and soda? Like I because
Speaker 1: I just like don't have enough stuff. And we had
Speaker 1: this random bottle of a Verna and this bottle of prosecco,
Speaker 1: and I looked up and I made an Averna spritz
Speaker 1: last night for we had a friend over, and it
Speaker 1: tasted like a sort of a twist on like a
Speaker 1: diet coke, Like it was this like beautiful, kind of
Speaker 1: like syrupy but not too sweet, spritsy but winterry drink.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think Amari have been in for
Speaker 1: a while. I'm not reinventing the wheel here, but I
Speaker 1: think specifically not on their own, not on the rocks,
Speaker 1: not just with soda, Like slightly more complicated cocktails that
Speaker 1: are a marrow based I think could be almost like
Speaker 1: a bridge between the more simple martini and the more
Speaker 1: complicated and outdated like craft cocktail culture of the twenty tens.
Speaker 1: It's almost like we went all the way in one direction,
Speaker 1: then we went all the way in the other direction. Now,
Speaker 1: a happy medium is an Amarro based three ingredient car.
Speaker 2: George, I'm feeling so electric, I'm getting chills. I like,
Speaker 2: I'm you're making me like see the future, and I
Speaker 2: even like I I here's a prediction on the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go go go saying to someone do you want to
Speaker 2: get a nightcap? Oh? Do you want to have a nightcap?
Speaker 2: I think this is going to happen in a huge way.
Speaker 1: Wait can I I sorry to get ahead of myself.
Speaker 1: I'll then give you the opportunity to do three in
Speaker 1: a row. But I have one that's related to that.
Speaker 1: Oh great, okay. One of my ins is having people
Speaker 1: over parentheses, but not for dinner, So George.
Speaker 2: I I wrote down out dinner that is about food.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So first of all, dinner parties I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna to say dinner parties are out as ridiculous. Obviously
Speaker 1: we're all gonna still have dinner parties, but dinner parties
Speaker 1: as this like incredibly branded important thing is out Like
Speaker 1: that was very much like a post block to down
Speaker 1: totally total let's fucking do this roaring twenties, like we're
Speaker 1: gonna make shrimp cocktail blah, blah. But what I think
Speaker 1: is gonna happen to your nightcap point is having people
Speaker 1: over for drinks, having people over for tea, having people
Speaker 1: over for coffee, and then you also made a little
Speaker 1: bunt cake, so you serve them a little you know,
Speaker 1: a slice of cake with their coffee, maybe a few cookies,
Speaker 1: bowl of nuts. Not something where you're not even you
Speaker 1: haven't even prepared something. You're just like, you go out
Speaker 1: for dinner and then it's like, do you want to
Speaker 1: come over for you know, dessert, and then you just
Speaker 1: take out literally a thing of Hogan DAW's vanilla.
Speaker 2: This is I'm excited. This actually makes me excited for
Speaker 2: the future because I have been a little bit like
Speaker 2: what what is the trendy? What's gonna be fun? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, this sounds so fun.
Speaker 1: It's actually almost like sitcom level. You can walk into
Speaker 1: your friend's apartment.
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent, but you also know not to
Speaker 2: stay too long. You're like, exactly, I'll stay for like
Speaker 2: an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, uh okay, go you can okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I said, didn't know that it's about food.
Speaker 2: This is I should have brought I'm gonna do two
Speaker 2: two quick ones because they were related to previous things
Speaker 2: that we talked about, and I should have brought them
Speaker 2: up before. One is out is Brooklyn and as a
Speaker 2: Manhattan is in Now that sort of related the wealth thing. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the other thing is I really because Bratt
Speaker 2: was so big, I think Green is out out out
Speaker 2: and I think going Charlie XCX mode is really out
Speaker 2: like it has been like market tested that it doesn't
Speaker 2: work for other people. Yes, and I think people will
Speaker 2: now not try to do that again.
Speaker 1: No, it only works for her because it's like authentic
Speaker 1: to her experience and because she has been perfecting it
Speaker 1: for fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people will probably still try, but in a
Speaker 2: less like you won't see like Katy Perry do it again.
Speaker 2: You won't see who Camilla Cabeo do it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I definitely agree about Green because it's not just Brad,
Speaker 1: it's also Wicked. It's also with its green was just everywhere.
Speaker 1: I also, I mean pink, the green and pink and
Speaker 1: Wicked was just such an assault that I think people
Speaker 1: are gonna move away from those colors. I think we're
Speaker 1: going to be seeing yellows. Let's say Purple's you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: some night reds, even a burnt orange.
Speaker 2: Burnt orange for crying out loud, Okay, I have I'm
Speaker 2: realizing that I have a few that are related for
Speaker 2: ends that maybe I'll just combine them into one thing.
Speaker 2: I think the sort of Ashton Kutcher style punked dressing.
Speaker 2: It will continue to be bigger and bigger, and that
Speaker 2: includes I think that that his haircut, that like mop thing.
Speaker 2: I think stud earrings are going to be back, oh okay,
Speaker 2: and I think goates.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, last year we predicted sideburns, which arguably
Speaker 1: was not a correct prediction, but I think goatees make
Speaker 1: more sense. I was actually so I was rewatching Happy
Speaker 1: Endings and the main character, who's a complete flop. All
Speaker 1: of them around him are incredible, but the main guy
Speaker 1: is like, by by design, sort of like the straight man,
Speaker 1: and he has a goatee that he's constantly made fun
Speaker 1: of for hmmm. And it got me thinking, like they
Speaker 1: actually have been fully out of the culture for so
Speaker 1: long that we can we can bring them back and
Speaker 1: really play with the form in a new way.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see some gay guys doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's gonna work, okay, gay go tees, gay go tees
Speaker 2: on the red carpet.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, Yeah, I mean my ends are better than
Speaker 1: my outs. I have to say, I can attempt to
Speaker 1: do an out. The idea of stigma is out, Like
Speaker 1: I think that both stigmatizing something and reclaiming a previously
Speaker 1: existing stigma are out like as a as a mode
Speaker 1: of thinking, as a way of or organizing thought. It's
Speaker 1: just like not how things are going to be viewed anymore,
Speaker 1: because I almost think that the idea of stigma is
Speaker 1: inherently related to a monoculture. There has to be like
Speaker 1: a common language for something to then be stigmatized against
Speaker 1: the common mainstream culture. And so when you don't have
Speaker 1: mainstream culture and you just have a bunch of different subcultures,
Speaker 1: it's like something can be stigmatized in this culture, but
Speaker 1: not in this culture, and it can be like a
Speaker 1: good thing here, but a bad thing here. And unless
Speaker 1: you have the data in front of you, that's like
Speaker 1: how many people stigmatizes and how many people don't. It's
Speaker 1: just is not a useful way of thinking about anything
Speaker 1: anymore interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, does this go along with like a there's
Speaker 2: no more like canceling vibe or is it a different thought.
Speaker 1: I think that I'm more so thinking about like when
Speaker 1: people are like mental illness is stigmatized. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it is, broadly speaking, but in fact, in the community
Speaker 1: that I'm a part of, it's encouraged. Like in no
Speaker 1: room that I'm ever in, is mental illness stigmatized, or
Speaker 1: even if you're like something about even something around like
Speaker 1: queerness or body type or like things that are traditionally
Speaker 1: considered less than whatever the desirable version is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this is making sense to me.
Speaker 1: Obviously, people still face oppression and people still face like discrimination,
Speaker 1: but the concept of a stigma, I think is like
Speaker 1: the wrong way to look at it. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: sort of what I mean. I like that.
Speaker 2: I think this works, okay, because you won't be stigmatized.
Speaker 2: You'll just move to a different culture exactly. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what hop on over to someone.
Speaker 1: Because a stigma implies like a red you know, for adulterer.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have an out. I think making fun of
Speaker 2: cringe liberalism, oh so out, so out. I think, like
Speaker 2: making fun of the like in this house we believe
Speaker 2: like stuff like that. You're just sort of gonna be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it, like cope, however you can. I think
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like I don't think it'll be happening
Speaker 2: as much because I think people are like, don't feel
Speaker 2: a fire under them. But I also think when it happens,
Speaker 2: you'll be like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like making fun of Hamilton. It's like it's over, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna make fun of Hamilton, or like there's
Speaker 1: just something it used to feel fresh to rediscover things
Speaker 1: from the Obama era. And obviously we do this more
Speaker 1: than anyone can. We discover things from the Obama era
Speaker 1: and think of them in a new light. But enough
Speaker 1: time has passed that the Obama era is now basically
Speaker 1: what the Clinton era was then, like you just have
Speaker 1: to accept it.
Speaker 2: It happened, folks, that happened, So that happened, So that happened.
Speaker 1: Been wow, Okay, I'll do an inn. I think that
Speaker 1: aerobics could make a comeback wow, because I think it's
Speaker 1: the only form of trend based exercise that hasn't made
Speaker 1: a comeback, like even line This is not a form
Speaker 1: of exercise, but even like line dancing, it has become
Speaker 1: like a cool thing. Queer people do. But aerobics, which
Speaker 1: has all the makings of something that would get a
Speaker 1: nostalgia based comeback, especially in a like post yoga post
Speaker 1: pilates world.
Speaker 2: Plus we have all this dance music.
Speaker 1: We have all this dance music, I think people. Also,
Speaker 1: everything is a you know, a brand activation and a
Speaker 1: fashion collaboration now, so it's like someone's gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and make some you know, fluorescent colored aerobics clothing.
Speaker 2: I'm actually surprised this didn't happen with the Barbie Dua Lipa.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the bar also and Dua Lipa.
Speaker 2: Yeah it should have John Huh. I like this theory.
Speaker 2: I wonder how they're gonna like elevate it from just nostalgia,
Speaker 2: I know it, Like I wonder in like a like
Speaker 2: an alloy world, like how are they gonna make it
Speaker 2: like Instagram girlies love this? Yeah, And I'm not sure
Speaker 2: what the answer is. But I mean, it'll be like
Speaker 2: in a soul cycle way, like it'll be like a
Speaker 2: dark room.
Speaker 1: Right, it won't be to be clear, it won't be cool.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is gonna be like a cool thing,
Speaker 1: but it'll Soul cycle is the perfect comparison it'll be
Speaker 1: like some company that has seed like venture funding will
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, you know what, we haven't
Speaker 1: done it in a while, is like a good aerobics craze,
Speaker 1: like it worked the first time. It's been long enough,
Speaker 1: you know what I predict. Then there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: viral interview of Jane Fonda responding to it, and people
Speaker 1: asking her like, so what do you think of the
Speaker 1: new aerobics craze, and she'll be like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a reason it worked, like blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: then people like clips from her aerobics take will be
Speaker 1: viral on TikTok.
Speaker 2: I love this, Yeah, and okay it maybe it may
Speaker 2: have missed with Barbie and Dualipa, but with the substance
Speaker 2: I think they could.
Speaker 1: Of course I forgot about the substance, yes, of course. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see I have a really controversial one. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is an inn I predict there's gonna be a
Speaker 2: conversation about how there hasn't been a new funny fat
Speaker 2: guy at SNL WHOA. I think in the same way
Speaker 2: that there was a conversation about like there hasn't been
Speaker 2: a black woman on like when like in ten years
Speaker 2: ago when that was happening. I think there's gonna be
Speaker 2: like a we need a new funny fat guy at SNL,
Speaker 2: and it people will be like nostalgic for like John Candy, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like Chris Farley, Like people are gonna be like this
Speaker 2: used to be the thing, and they're gonna like want
Speaker 2: it again. Like I think with the fiftieth people are
Speaker 2: gonna be reflecting on who used to be there and
Speaker 2: that used to be such a thing that people would
Speaker 2: say is like ESENL always has like the funny fat guy,
Speaker 2: and I think that's gonna be there's gonna be a
Speaker 2: conversation about how there hasn't been like a wild funny
Speaker 2: fat guy in a while.
Speaker 1: Wow, fascinating, And that's that fits it. It is so
Speaker 1: much with the rest of where culture is going. It's
Speaker 1: like literally it used to be that people would be
Speaker 1: angry that there was not more racial diversity on ESNEL.
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna be people being like, why isn't there
Speaker 1: a funny fat guy?
Speaker 2: And it fits in with the like casual big like
Speaker 2: casual bigotry sort of this like thing of like I
Speaker 2: can say this, why isn't there a funny fat guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see. I think one of my ends is,
Speaker 1: and this is controversial, I think that San Francisco has
Speaker 1: been hollowed out and sort of uh beaten down so
Speaker 1: much with a combination of Silicon Valley transforming in than
Speaker 1: leaving the pandemic, the various like controversies around local politics.
Speaker 1: There just like insane rents, people moving to Oakland. Like
Speaker 1: it's just sort of like terrible reputation both among you know,
Speaker 1: conservatives obsessed with crime and progressives obsessed with like Silicon
Speaker 1: Valley taken over whatever. I almost think it's like it
Speaker 1: can't get any lower, and so it now will have
Speaker 1: some sort of resurgence, like there's gonna be some maybe
Speaker 1: it's like a local artistic scene of some sort. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a new band that's from San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's gonna be a thriving art scene in some way.
Speaker 1: And then maybe there will be some TV series or
Speaker 1: film that's about a community that lives in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Then maybe people will remember all the different things that
Speaker 1: they loved about San Francisco, or maybe it's an even
Speaker 1: more nostalgic thing where there's going to be like a
Speaker 1: movie about like hate Ashbury hippies or something, and then
Speaker 1: that'll be a trend. But I just think like San
Speaker 1: Francisco was so cool then it was so uncool, and
Speaker 1: I think it has to it has to like circle back.
Speaker 2: I like this and I really hope you're right, Like
Speaker 2: there is something. When I think about San Francisco, it
Speaker 2: is like this is like so sad. Yeah, it really
Speaker 2: is like one of the bleaker things that has happened,
Speaker 2: and you just like sort of move on because it
Speaker 2: is a fact. It's just like Yep, Tech ruined an
Speaker 2: entire city. It's just crazy and you have to just
Speaker 2: be like okay, and it's like no, it's like we
Speaker 2: haven't actually addressed this. Like this used to be a
Speaker 2: thriving city with a cool vibe.
Speaker 1: One of the Americans dead.
Speaker 2: It is completely hallowed out. It is crazy.
Speaker 1: So something you know, it's gonna something's gonna rise from
Speaker 1: rise from the ashes.
Speaker 2: I think has this is a genuine Has tech moved out?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Well? A big part of it is like, first of all,
Speaker 1: a lot of tech has moved to like Austin and
Speaker 1: Miami and places like that. I mean the big I
Speaker 1: mean Austin especially has just become this like huge tech capital.
Speaker 1: The other thing that happened, especially during the pandemic was
Speaker 1: because everyone started working from home, downtown San Francisco was
Speaker 1: just like really like hollowed out in this way. There's
Speaker 1: just like there's like all these empty buildings, but then
Speaker 1: they're not being made into affordable housing or anything, so
Speaker 1: it's just you know, this sort of like it was
Speaker 1: this like ghost town.
Speaker 4: That's interesting, But San Francisco's always like San Francisco is
Speaker 4: defined back to the gold Rush by booms and busts,
Speaker 4: Like it just isn't a stable place.
Speaker 1: Like there's always going to be you know, incredible eras
Speaker 1: of immense wealth and then eras where you know, things
Speaker 1: are not going well, and it's always it always somehow
Speaker 1: bounces back. And it's also very like amenable to new ideas.
Speaker 1: So it might be something completely different. It might also
Speaker 1: be worse.
Speaker 2: Who knows, Hey, somebody's you gotta get before you better. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I hope they come back. It's a gorgeous city.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: God And we're going to go there soon. San Francisco
Speaker 2: sketch Fest Show.
Speaker 1: It's probably the only show I have planned for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, so same, see you there, see you there.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see this. These are complicated, Okay. I think
Speaker 2: an out an out is like I think public feminism.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have like a like a high
Speaker 2: profile woman be like I'm not really a feminist, like
Speaker 2: and almost be like like there's gonna be sort of
Speaker 2: a throwback vibe to like feminism. I actually love men, like.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be like the misinterpreting, of course and wrong,
Speaker 2: but I think that it's going to happen where I
Speaker 2: think feminism as like a branding thing is out and
Speaker 2: it'll be like I love men and feminists and then
Speaker 2: it'll be like feminists are lesbians.
Speaker 1: I love women defending men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love men.
Speaker 1: I think women defending men is hugely in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like this again, all this it's all cyclical,
Speaker 2: like because that and Trump is looming. Of course, Trump luming,
Speaker 2: but it is, it is all cyclical, and I think
Speaker 2: this will come back.
Speaker 1: I know it's you know, it's funny. Feminism is one
Speaker 1: of those terms. Of course, there are actual there is
Speaker 1: an actual history of feminism, and there are actual definitions
Speaker 1: and you can you know there is there? There's like
Speaker 1: feminism is also like a lens through which to view
Speaker 1: politics and culture. It is a way. It is an
Speaker 1: academic line of thought. It is like a way to
Speaker 1: It is a liberation movement. It is all these things
Speaker 1: like in actuality. But there's also divorced from that, just
Speaker 1: the specter of feminism in like the mainstream popular imagination.
Speaker 1: That's almost literally a different thing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like the actual concept, the substantial concept of feminism is
Speaker 1: so different than what, like than what at any given
Speaker 1: time in the nineties or twenty or twenty tens is
Speaker 1: meant when a random person on television says I am
Speaker 1: a feminist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean I'm realizing and going
Speaker 2: through these Yours are way more optimistic and mine are
Speaker 2: really cynical and pessimistic.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily true. I mean I'm doing
Speaker 1: much more, many more inns. I'm trying to think, like, hmmm,
Speaker 1: oh I have a pessimistic one. Oh okay, all right,
Speaker 1: So I think one of my inns is I think
Speaker 1: AI will be in for longer before we get a backlash,
Speaker 1: Like I think the sort of I think the obvious
Speaker 1: thing would be to say everyone hates AI it's out
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. But I don't think that the case.
Speaker 1: I think that like well, and everyone's distracted by like
Speaker 1: oh AI created images, and like look at this crazy
Speaker 1: fake image where this guy has like seven fingers because
Speaker 1: it wasn't created well, and like, oh, this AI created
Speaker 1: poem is like actually shitty. And in the meantime, AI
Speaker 1: is being used in way more nefarious ways and even
Speaker 1: way more like normal ways to be honest, like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's being used to make like incredible medical advances
Speaker 1: that I don't know about, but I just think it
Speaker 1: is going to first infiltrate the culture way way, way
Speaker 1: way more before in like five ten years, there's like
Speaker 1: a real backlash of some sort.
Speaker 2: If ever, I think you're one hundred percent right. I
Speaker 2: think this, Yeah, this is pessimism that I agree with.
Speaker 2: It's sort of the the Elon thing where it's like
Speaker 2: Elon shouldn't be winning. Like everyone who we know hates him,
Speaker 2: Everyone on the internet hates him. It's like he's a
Speaker 2: punching like punching bag for like everyone, and yet like
Speaker 2: he is still in charge of Twitter. He is still
Speaker 2: like in charge of the government, picked the president, like yeah,
Speaker 2: he has all the power somehow. Still, and I think
Speaker 2: AI is like this too, where it's like, yes, everyone
Speaker 2: posts like oh this sucks, this is bad, but it's
Speaker 2: like it's winning and it's going to continue to win.
Speaker 1: No, there's something about it that it's uh, it's just
Speaker 1: becoming the new. It no longer is like this little,
Speaker 1: this mysterious thing on the rise, Like it's now just
Speaker 1: AI went from being like punk rock hacker to being
Speaker 1: man in suit. I mean, it is much more difficult
Speaker 1: to take down man in suit than like someone infiltrating
Speaker 1: the culture.
Speaker 2: This is. I'm having the opposite reaction that I had
Speaker 2: to your spaghetti and meatballs. I'm feeling so low about
Speaker 2: this because I am like it's true and there's nothing
Speaker 2: we can do about it. Like I'm really like stuck
Speaker 2: on like what does this mean? And we won't know
Speaker 2: until it happens, but I'm like, really sucks it like
Speaker 2: can't be good in any way. And I feel like
Speaker 2: even with like the Internet, we didn't know it was
Speaker 2: gonna be bad. Like the Internet was like, Wow, this
Speaker 2: is so exciting. We can like share information and learn anything.
Speaker 2: We want at any given moment, and now it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is kind of bad, Like I wish we didn't
Speaker 2: have this sometimes, and with AI, we don't even have
Speaker 2: that like this is going to solve everything. It's just
Speaker 2: like start out the gate. It is bad.
Speaker 1: No, I so agree with you. It used to be
Speaker 1: that innovations first went through a phase of utopian thinking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even something like the telephone, Like it's like first you're like, wow, amazing,
Speaker 1: we can connect with everyone, and then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's like promoting misinformation and people are addicted and teams
Speaker 1: are committing suicide. But at least in the beginning you
Speaker 1: can be like, we have a smart phone, it's a
Speaker 1: computer in your pocket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was magical at first.
Speaker 1: And I'm sort of like, but I also do think
Speaker 1: there's a cl divide here because for many people they
Speaker 1: do think of it as utopian honestly, Like you can
Speaker 1: think of AI as like, oh, everything is going to
Speaker 1: be so frictionless and then we're going to be free
Speaker 1: to you know, work a three hour or work a
Speaker 1: two day work week and then spend the rest of
Speaker 1: the time painting. Like there is that utopian element of it,
Speaker 1: but it is difficult to access that line of thinking
Speaker 1: when the people that are the post your children for
Speaker 1: it are like literal movie villains.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and the it just is like so clearly
Speaker 2: not that is not the goal, like it's just the
Speaker 2: goal is to like be the first one to do
Speaker 2: it so you can be rich before they eliminate all jobs.
Speaker 2: Leve leve, bon voyage, bon voyage. Did I tell you
Speaker 2: that I can't stop saying say love?
Speaker 1: I have noticed.
Speaker 2: Because I think it's it's such a fun way of being,
Speaker 2: like I'm detached, like I don't care, and it adds
Speaker 2: a little gen siqua, you know.
Speaker 1: I think a fun trend would be to say French phrases,
Speaker 1: but not in ways that makes sense of so just
Speaker 1: like like I just did, like I just did with
Speaker 1: bon Voyage, like that literally does not make sense in
Speaker 1: this context.
Speaker 2: I love to go, so that's kind of fun. Oh
Speaker 2: what's my turn? Okay, here's an interesting out. I'm also
Speaker 2: not sure if I'm gonna do all mine because I
Speaker 2: don't know if I agree with all of them now
Speaker 2: that we're reading these out loud. But here's an out
Speaker 2: social media star meaning anything. I think there was a
Speaker 2: second where it was like if you are big on Instagram,
Speaker 2: you are big, like this can transition into a real thing.
Speaker 2: I think social media star is becoming more and more disposable,
Speaker 2: and more and more temporary, and more and more like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I look at you and my phone. I don't really
Speaker 2: care about you beyond that. And I think that used
Speaker 2: to be less clear, like it would be like, oh
Speaker 2: I saw this guy on Instagram. I love him, And
Speaker 2: now it's like, no, I think you're because you're not
Speaker 2: even following. You're like being fed stuff. And I think
Speaker 2: so you don't feel investment, You're like that was a
Speaker 2: funny video.
Speaker 1: You don't even look at what someone's name is, like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think this is a mistake a lot of
Speaker 1: our a lot of people we know, make where they
Speaker 1: think their profile is rising because they're going viral, and
Speaker 1: then in fact it's just like people might see you
Speaker 1: on the street and be like that person looks familiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I Actually what's interesting about social media stardom is so
Speaker 1: I think that what we're seeing is arise in like
Speaker 1: a middle class when it comes to social media performers.
Speaker 1: So the expectation that if you go viral, then you
Speaker 1: reach some higher point is almost like, you know, the
Speaker 1: promise that you'll found a small business and become a billionaire. Like,
Speaker 1: I think there is this more consistent sort of middle
Speaker 1: class of like in the same way that there are
Speaker 1: so many working actors that are not wealthy, like you know,
Speaker 1: Julia Roberts. I think that's what's happening with social with
Speaker 1: quote unquote creators, is there's just this like large group
Speaker 1: of people that like occasionally make a couple thousand dollars
Speaker 1: doing a brand deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's an interesting way of looking at it.
Speaker 2: The gold rush is over.
Speaker 1: The gold rush is over, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: The gold rush is over. Still you can still get
Speaker 2: a little gold, yeah, but very little.
Speaker 1: Okay. I actually have hm uh okay. I have one
Speaker 1: that's sort of related to the AI thing and also
Speaker 1: sort of related to Trump in a way. I sort
Speaker 1: of think the movie and the I think V for
Speaker 1: Vendetta is in.
Speaker 2: Vv Vendetta is it? I don't know, Like, so what
Speaker 2: does that mean to you? Like I hear that, and
Speaker 2: I think like middle school ideas of activism, that's.
Speaker 1: What it is. Yeah, there's something there's something that's like
Speaker 1: I don't know, so much of like Trumpian thinking there
Speaker 1: is so childlike. And I think V for Vendetta, as
Speaker 1: much as I really honestly enjoy it as a film,
Speaker 1: V for Vendetta just has these very childlike notions of activism,
Speaker 1: of justice, of oppression of power that are actually so
Speaker 1: that can actually be sort of appropriated by anyone with
Speaker 1: any politics. Like you can read it in a left
Speaker 1: wing way, you can read it in a right wing way.
Speaker 1: It's almost like what happened with the Matrix. Yes, And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think.
Speaker 2: Everyone thinks they're the V for Vendetta. They think they're
Speaker 2: on like the good side. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and there's also I think I have generally noticed
Speaker 1: just like a rise in violence being socially like the
Speaker 1: idea of violence on.
Speaker 2: Both the Assassin we have talking about the assassin, right, So.
Speaker 1: There's the thing like I think that on the right
Speaker 1: violence has very much in the Trump years become or
Speaker 1: even like violent language, let's say, has become way more
Speaker 1: socially accepted. And I think something that's happening now with
Speaker 1: like with the assassin and even with the Trump assassination attempt,
Speaker 1: is you see like respectable Midwestern moms being like, oh,
Speaker 1: should have gotten him. Like there is just like a
Speaker 1: comfort with almost like Gallows humor about violence.
Speaker 2: Well it is true that, Yeah, there's something about like
Speaker 2: the systems really not working and like people are like,
Speaker 2: well there is one thing that can work, and like
Speaker 2: people are being driven insane enough to be like Okay,
Speaker 2: let's do that, Like let's and at least let's celebrate
Speaker 2: it when it happens, because it's like nothing good happens
Speaker 2: and systemically right now, like there's very few wins for
Speaker 2: like the people, and so I do think when the
Speaker 2: violence happens, it's like fun to be like, hell, yeah
Speaker 2: we got him.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and it almost feels not it doesn't even
Speaker 1: feel dangerous because you're like, literally nothing good will ever happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just like we're all just doing a little dance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like really trying not to. I think when
Speaker 2: this comes out, it'll be like let's see, like it'll
Speaker 2: be in like two weeks or something, and so who
Speaker 2: knows where we'll be with the assassin.
Speaker 1: Story of course. Yeah, sorry for everyone listening, know that
Speaker 1: we still don't know the identity of the assassin of
Speaker 1: the Sorry United Healthcare CEO shooter. We don't know his
Speaker 1: identity and he has not been caught, so.
Speaker 2: Who knows what we'll happen the next two weeks.
Speaker 1: But what's currently happening is people are making joke about
Speaker 1: how he's hot on the internet.
Speaker 2: And I'm like genuinely trying not to get swept up
Speaker 2: in Assassin Fever because i know, like, because it is
Speaker 2: a ju juicy story and it is so like the
Speaker 2: bullets had writing on them and it was like it
Speaker 2: was political, and You're like.
Speaker 1: But don't you think that's so V for Vendetta. It's
Speaker 1: so V Frendeta writing on them? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: That's so middle school? Yeah? And yet I'm like finally
Speaker 2: like I'm like this rules and I'm I'm really trying
Speaker 2: to check in with that and be like when I'm
Speaker 2: you know, we're almost like horny right now, Like we're
Speaker 2: horny for violence, and like I'm when I come, I'm
Speaker 2: going to be like what was I thinking? Why was
Speaker 2: I so horny for that? Yeah, And so I'm trying
Speaker 2: to not be so horny for it. But I am
Speaker 2: like there is something where it's like very attractive to
Speaker 2: me right now. Yeah, God, they should make a horny
Speaker 2: that you don't regret later.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would be crazy. I would not
Speaker 1: ever need to, you know, work another day in my life.
Speaker 1: For pretty are if there was a horny that did
Speaker 1: not make you feel shame later or you're kidding me the.
Speaker 2: Way that like, I feel like it's been happening more
Speaker 2: and more where I will come and then I'll be like,
Speaker 2: what have I been doing the last four days? No,
Speaker 2: it's like bad, I have been completely thinking wrong because
Speaker 2: I've been horny without knowing it.
Speaker 1: Like, but also but also take me back, this is.
Speaker 2: Men shouldn't be allowed on the government, folks. Okay, here's
Speaker 2: a weird out. Okay, and it's not that controversial. But Disney,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think totally. I think Disney is like
Speaker 2: so so so out. And I think before it was
Speaker 2: like Marvel is out, but I think now it's even further,
Speaker 2: like even like adults being like, well, this animated movie
Speaker 2: is actually really good. I think that's out. I think
Speaker 2: Disney is like beyond out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm also I mean all these live action
Speaker 1: remakes are It's sort of shocking how I and I
Speaker 1: saw the trailer for the Snow White one and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, God, you're doing CGI dwarfs.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I did not see the trailer for this.
Speaker 1: It's really it's really shocking actually, like and you know,
Speaker 1: I know we have left behind calling things problematic, but like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, have little people not been through enough that
Speaker 1: now your way around it is not even casting them
Speaker 1: in case it's offense. So you're literally doing basically like
Speaker 1: prejudiced caricatures of little people that as though they're animals,
Speaker 1: as though they're CGI animals. I'm actually I was shocked
Speaker 1: what I saw that.
Speaker 2: No, that is such a great point. I'm honestly like
Speaker 2: surprised they're even making this movie because you're just gonna
Speaker 2: step in it in so many ways. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But maybe but as we've said, like, cancel culture is over,
Speaker 1: so maybe it's literally like they're good, it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fine. But that for some reason they're canceling.
Speaker 2: Is that Rachel Ziegler, Yeah, they're canceling her because she
Speaker 2: doesn't like she's like, yeah, I feel fine about It's
Speaker 2: no way. She's like I didn't really grow up with
Speaker 2: it or something. She's like she's not doing the Ariana
Speaker 2: thing of like crying every time she's in her totally
Speaker 2: like she doesn't care.
Speaker 1: I sort of something I sort of appreciate about her
Speaker 1: is that she kind of does refuse to play the game.
Speaker 1: She's always sort of saying something randomly controversial, but then
Speaker 1: she's also not being controversial enough that it's like slag queen,
Speaker 1: you you did that. It's just sort of being sort
Speaker 1: of just putting her foot in it constantly.
Speaker 2: She's sort of just being like, can we wrap this
Speaker 2: up like that? All times exactly, And I think that's cool. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: I have okay, I have an out. I think Sasha
Speaker 2: Baron Cohen is out, oh yeah in a big way.
Speaker 2: And you know he's going to try to do something
Speaker 2: in the Trump in.
Speaker 1: The Trump era. But I'm I actually think it's been
Speaker 1: a really long time coming, like a really long time coming,
Speaker 1: Like it is shocking that he got away with doing
Speaker 1: Borat two with and and there wasn't any sort of
Speaker 1: conversation about the larger politics of his work, and.
Speaker 2: In fact, it got nominated for an Oscar Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and it was like bor At two. There's this thing
Speaker 2: about like in music where like the album sales more
Speaker 2: reflect the album that came before. And I really think
Speaker 2: that Borat two Is that for movies?
Speaker 1: That's genius. Yes, it's so true.
Speaker 2: Because people just love Borat one so much that then
Speaker 2: they were like, well, we have to support Borat two
Speaker 2: because Borat one is so beloved, and they're like, but
Speaker 2: I think actually, if a Borat three were to come out,
Speaker 2: the backlash would come so hard because no one actually
Speaker 2: liked bore At two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and he has been he himself has been
Speaker 1: really annoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very smug. And now that he's like divorced from
Speaker 2: from Isla Fisher, Isla Fisher, it's like, wait that was
Speaker 2: you were like it was charming to know that you
Speaker 2: were with is Fisher totally totally and I was like,
Speaker 2: well she hates you, then I think I might hate
Speaker 2: you as well.
Speaker 1: He's such a smug little bitch, like he thinks he's
Speaker 1: so smart, and he's been encouraged like I mean not
Speaker 1: to be so uh you know, Earnest Earnest, But I'm like,
Speaker 1: where's woman Let a woman have that career? Where is
Speaker 1: a silly woman doing crazy characters like and I'm so
Speaker 1: sick of It's like because he is, you know, a
Speaker 1: handsome British man he's like allowed to to toe the
Speaker 1: line and to be offensive and to it's like fuck off, enough.
Speaker 2: Enough and even like the whole like clowning tie into
Speaker 2: his whole deal where he's like I trained to be
Speaker 2: a clown. It's just like all right, Like I don't
Speaker 2: think this is for me. I'm also like he's like
Speaker 2: approached characters. I'm like enough with the voices, Like there's
Speaker 2: something about the Yeah, it's so one on one.
Speaker 1: I mean, the first thought, it's quite I'm sorry the joke.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I this is a problem I've always had.
Speaker 1: But it's like I understand, I'm not an idiot. I
Speaker 1: understand that it's meant to be pointing out racism via
Speaker 1: its own racism. Like I get it. I'm not an idiot,
Speaker 1: but like the whole thing is just my wife like fuck.
Speaker 2: Well. He also has like sort of classic South Park
Speaker 2: syndrome where it's like, you know, ironic like anti semitism,
Speaker 2: and then it's like but then people just actually do
Speaker 2: it to be anti Semitic. They're like that's so funny,
Speaker 2: and then they're like quoting it, and then when someone's Jewish,
Speaker 2: they're like doing it to them. It's like this is
Speaker 2: so weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also I mean he is doing I mean
Speaker 1: he is just doing a racist caricature, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like if we're taking off Hulu episodes
Speaker 1: of thirty Rock that have black faced, like, what are
Speaker 1: we doing with corat all? Right?
Speaker 2: So that's my out. Okay, let's see what have I
Speaker 2: not done? Oh okay, here's an inn.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think male singers ooh okay. I think I think
Speaker 2: it's been like the pop girlies have been like such
Speaker 2: a thing. And it's even straight guys are saying like, oh,
Speaker 2: the pop girlies, the pop girlies, And I think there's
Speaker 2: going to be like it's going to feel new and
Speaker 2: independent to stan a male singer. I'm kind of even
Speaker 2: thinking like a bony bear like someone like really yeah,
Speaker 2: Like it's like your people are going to want a masculine.
Speaker 1: Voice, I guess, okay, okay, and it's gonna make.
Speaker 2: Them they're gonna be like, I'm not like other girls.
Speaker 2: I listen to a man saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think like Iron and Wine, Like it's
Speaker 1: like that kind of thing is kind.
Speaker 2: Of do think that's gonna come back as like a
Speaker 2: reaction to like everything being so glossy and poppy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean one of them. I mean there's
Speaker 1: such a misogyny to the idea that like a male
Speaker 1: voice is more authentic than a female voice, which is
Speaker 1: what a lot of this is. Okay, I'm I mean
Speaker 1: I have to say it's already happening with like like
Speaker 1: these are people I barely whose work I barely know,
Speaker 1: but like m J. Lenderman is like getting.
Speaker 2: Big McGee McGee, of course.
Speaker 1: I mean. Also the Bone of Ar record I think
Speaker 1: is like well received.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's going to continue.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to continue trending. And similarly, h
Speaker 2: I think we've seen it a little bit, but I
Speaker 2: think like the TikTok generation is going to continue to
Speaker 2: find twenty tens indie rock and reappropriate it in ways
Speaker 2: that people our age are annoyed at. And like I
Speaker 2: think they're gonna like find like of Montreal and like
Speaker 2: there's gonna be like a viral trend to of Montreal
Speaker 2: and we're gonna be like what the hell? And but
Speaker 2: it is, like it's just it's gonna keep happening. They're
Speaker 2: gonna like find like Beach House teenage dream or whatever,
Speaker 2: and it's natives. Yes, yeah, even like I saw it,
Speaker 2: like somebody posted on Twitter the like MGMT performing in
Speaker 2: college and which obviously it was like damn a cocaine
Speaker 2: to me watching that. But I do think more and
Speaker 2: more of that is going to happen, like that nostalgia
Speaker 2: and repurposing of twenty ten stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's time for it. It's just like
Speaker 1: it's just there's just like a bucket of things that
Speaker 1: happened in the twenty tens and there where there. People
Speaker 1: are gonna keep fishing, putting their little fishing hooks in it,
Speaker 1: and whatever comes up is gonna trend for a month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's gonna be like annoying because everyone's gonna
Speaker 2: have to post about how it makes them feel old,
Speaker 2: and that only adds adds to it. It's just going
Speaker 2: to be this whole cycle over and over again.
Speaker 1: You know. Relate it to that Santa Gold renaissance now.
Speaker 2: That I would love, I would love it could fit
Speaker 2: into that trend. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She is one of these figures that's like maybe she
Speaker 1: could save us, you know.
Speaker 2: I think at any point she could pop in and
Speaker 2: save us. Yeah, damn I love her. Okay, I know
Speaker 2: I love her too. Okay, Okay, here's a specific one.
Speaker 2: Do you know the actress Jane Adams. No, look her up.
Speaker 1: She was in The Idol most recently, and she's in
Speaker 1: so many iconics. She's just like a classic andie film actress. Yes,
Speaker 1: got it, Okay, I think she's going to have a
Speaker 1: big you know when people did it with Laura duran
Speaker 1: where they were like, she's like, she's been good consistently,
Speaker 1: but she's never gotten her due. I mean it's different
Speaker 1: because actually, Laura Durne had starring roles throughout her career,
Speaker 1: whereas Jane Adams was always sort of a character actress.
Speaker 1: But I think she has been so consistently good and
Speaker 1: has never had her moment that I'm like, I'm seeing it,
Speaker 1: like I'm seeing a sort of maybe it'll be some
Speaker 1: indie movie she's in that does like really well in Toronto,
Speaker 1: and then there's like a grassroots campaign, and then there's
Speaker 1: like a Vulture article that's like Jane Adams has always
Speaker 1: been that girl.
Speaker 2: She's gonna get like the Melanie Linsky treatments.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the Melanie Linsky treatment, because she is so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: She's good at both drama and comedy. She is so
Speaker 1: like sort of like effortlessly cool in her own way.
Speaker 1: She also is able to be both. She's able to
Speaker 1: not be type cast. Like her role in The Idol
Speaker 1: is so different than she plays Hannah Iminder's mom and hacks,
Speaker 1: and she's like so like midwestern mom and hacks.
Speaker 2: Wow, I had forgotten about that.
Speaker 1: She's actually in this amazing movie. Well amazing as generous,
Speaker 1: but she's in this movie I believe called The Anniversary Party,
Speaker 1: which is directed by Alan Cumming and oh god, Jennifer
Speaker 1: Jason Lee. No wait, hold on, I'm looking it up.
Speaker 1: Jennifer jason Lee allen coming.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you've nailed that.
Speaker 1: But she's really she's definitely the best part of it.
Speaker 1: So I just think it's gonna happen for her.
Speaker 2: I like this, Yeah, this is fun. I like when
Speaker 2: you get really specific with it. I think that's fun.
Speaker 2: I had an out okay that this is complicated, but
Speaker 2: I think Florida is out like Sam, I think caring
Speaker 2: about wait what I have?
Speaker 1: So I have a third section called question mark, which
Speaker 1: I can't decide if it's in or out, And it's
Speaker 1: just two things it's Florida and it's satire. I literally
Speaker 1: kept going back and forth because I was like, there
Speaker 1: is an argument to be made for both. In some ways,
Speaker 1: it's never been more in it is like Maga Central,
Speaker 1: the like crazy just like the crazy like maximalism of
Speaker 1: Florida is like really having a moment, uh huh. And
Speaker 1: of course, on the other hand, it's like I'm so
Speaker 1: sick of Florida as like a signifier of that kind
Speaker 1: of American debauchery. Like it's like it's it's it's like
Speaker 1: everyone's like, you know, having an orgy, and then an
Speaker 1: alligator shows up, and then a woman with giant tits
Speaker 1: like one of them pops and then she like floats,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's such a like this sort of
Speaker 1: like debaucherous like celebration of grossness and excess. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's just like I think people
Speaker 2: are sick of it. I think people are sick of
Speaker 2: even jokes about it, and people are sick of like
Speaker 2: caring about it. And so I think it's like like
Speaker 2: there's it's gonna be crazy political things that happened under
Speaker 2: Trump in Florida still like the burning whatever, it's like
Speaker 2: like banning all these books, banning who knows what, like
Speaker 2: trans people from going to bathrooms, and it's like, but
Speaker 2: people are just gonna be like, well fuck it, like
Speaker 2: that's Florida. I'm not gonna think about it in like
Speaker 2: a weird way, Like yeah, I almost think like it's
Speaker 2: sort of the same thing about you said going to
Speaker 2: the ballet and stuff, where there's something about Florida where
Speaker 2: it used to be like we've got to do something
Speaker 2: or like or we got to make fun of them,
Speaker 2: And now I think it's like they're their own thing,
Speaker 2: and I don't really want to hear about it. No.
Speaker 1: It is sort of this weird amusement park people can
Speaker 1: move to if they like don't want to be in
Speaker 1: the real world. I my friend Tarpley, who's a journalist,
Speaker 1: wrote like some big feature on how it's becoming like
Speaker 1: Trump Central, and this was like three years ago, and
Speaker 1: so through that she met all these kind of crazy characters,
Speaker 1: and one of them is this woman. She has one
Speaker 1: million Instagram followers, and her thing is she is a
Speaker 1: realtor with comically giant fake boobs, like they're literally like
Speaker 1: it looks like she's a cartoon. They're so large that
Speaker 1: her dog can sleep, can lie on one of them
Speaker 1: and take a nap on top of it. Whoa and
Speaker 1: her and her entire feed is pro Trump and pro
Speaker 1: Israel like disinformation, and she's like this, she looks like
Speaker 1: one of the cock destroyers, like and she's literally like,
Speaker 1: if there's three things you gotta know about me, I'm
Speaker 1: a realtor, I have giant fake hits, and I love
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Like, and you're just sort of like, where
Speaker 1: do we go from here?
Speaker 2: Where do we go from here? It's it's confusing.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see I have Oh, this is a quick one.
Speaker 1: Solo shows are out like, oh oh, a sort of
Speaker 1: this had, you know, things like the Nette and everything.
Speaker 1: It had a long tail. Still they're doing relatively well
Speaker 1: in Edinburgh and on Broadway. I mean, Baby Reindeer started
Speaker 1: out as a solo show, you know, but I just
Speaker 1: think I actually think Cole doing O Mary and having
Speaker 1: it be a real play rather than a solo show
Speaker 1: was like the death knell that solo shows needed, because
Speaker 1: what people expected from Cole was to go to Omary
Speaker 1: and have it be them doing like a monologue as
Speaker 1: Mary Todd Lincoln.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that they were able to
Speaker 1: like not only not do that, but really succeed at
Speaker 1: not doing that means that the new thing that people
Speaker 1: are going to try is doing their own O Mary
Speaker 1: rather than doing their own the net.
Speaker 2: Damn, that is so smart. I think it's hard for
Speaker 2: me to I hadn't thought about that because I even
Speaker 2: even though I've seen Omary and I know it's not
Speaker 2: a solo show, but to me, in my mind, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: that's Cole solo show, and it just fully is not.
Speaker 2: It is a play. It is a play. Yeah, people
Speaker 2: are going to do that. And I also think if
Speaker 2: there are our solo shows, they're going to be very unseerious.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be silly, silly, silly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think this self seriously.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna have a twist. Like I think it
Speaker 1: could be that like part way through a second character
Speaker 1: is introduced and you're sort of shocked because you're like,
Speaker 1: I thought this was a solo show, or or it's
Speaker 1: like actually, I was thinking about this when we had
Speaker 1: Casey Jane Alison on the pod. That type of thing
Speaker 1: could be a new take on it. It's like it
Speaker 1: is a solo show in the sense that it's a
Speaker 1: one woman show, but it is fictional and she's doing
Speaker 1: different characters. Like that could maybe work. But what's out
Speaker 1: is like a comedian having trauma and having a show
Speaker 1: shaped around that.
Speaker 2: If you have trauma, pack it up, Mama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, go see you in Florida.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, And actually this is a I have maybe
Speaker 2: this will be my last okay, okay one, which we
Speaker 2: talked about a little bit on the Alana episode. Well,
Speaker 2: spoiler alert because this is coming up before that.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, we have. We have a lot of Glazer
Speaker 1: coming on.
Speaker 2: And I think therapy, but being chill about it, I
Speaker 2: think the like like tongue in cheek, like fuck you
Speaker 2: go to therapy is out. But I do think people
Speaker 2: are going to be sort of like at a dinner
Speaker 2: party and it'll be like, I mean, yeah, I am
Speaker 2: in therapy. Like it's gonna be like there's going to
Speaker 2: be an appropriate level of shame around it.
Speaker 1: Yes, like therapy, talking about your therapist in the same
Speaker 1: way you would talk about your primary care physician or
Speaker 1: your dentist. It is not a cure all. It is
Speaker 1: not like men need to go to therapy. It is
Speaker 1: not dramatic. It is like just normal.
Speaker 2: And I know last year we said therapy is out.
Speaker 1: And it was then now it's back in.
Speaker 2: It's back in, and it's like but with a subtle twist.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I think it's back in. And I think
Speaker 1: that like, uh, now that the hype around it has
Speaker 1: died down, we can just go to therapy normal.
Speaker 2: We can go to therapy normal.
Speaker 1: Okay. I think I can just maybe like mention a
Speaker 1: couple of other ones without going into them too much.
Speaker 1: I think in the same way that gay men, in
Speaker 1: my mind unsuccessfully ultimately tried to appropriate pearl necklaces. I
Speaker 1: think the next stage of that is like New Mexico's
Speaker 1: style turquoise jewelry. I think it's gay men wearing like,
Speaker 1: you know, the turquoise jewelry that like a really liberal
Speaker 1: mom would wear.
Speaker 2: That is so funny. That is so funny. And I
Speaker 2: was kind of thinking of something similar, which I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if I believe it or not, but I was like,
Speaker 2: where do we stand on like a leather bracelet, because
Speaker 2: we've done like these sort of tony soprano metal bracelets
Speaker 2: and I still like that and I think that's fun.
Speaker 2: But I am like there's a whole material that we're
Speaker 2: forgetting about that like was dominant for a while. And
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's gonna in a leather with a turquoise.
Speaker 2: I think could really pop back in definitely, And I
Speaker 2: don't like it. I don't think that looks good, but
Speaker 2: but I do think it will. It could happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sculpture I think is in. Oh, I think it will.
Speaker 1: I think it's actually like it's like the most anti
Speaker 1: digital thing you could do is create three dimensional art,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like the backlash against
Speaker 1: our phone addictions, against social media addiction, against like everything
Speaker 1: it's like, and also against things that don't require any skill.
Speaker 1: It's like, even if your sculpture is just one cone,
Speaker 1: at least you had to carve it.
Speaker 2: You know. I like this a lot, and I even
Speaker 2: think as home decor it's like a little fun, playful
Speaker 2: thing because I've been noticing that I've been getting like
Speaker 2: I found this like wooden dolphins sculpture, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is so playful, and yet in the in the
Speaker 2: room it looks amazing. You're like, this is so funny
Speaker 2: and I and I like it.
Speaker 1: And then very quickly. I think that I think talking
Speaker 1: about college campuses is out, but it will come back
Speaker 1: very quickly. Yeah, Like I just think, like an obsession
Speaker 1: with college campuses is out, but I think because this
Speaker 1: stuff comes in waves, it's like give it a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. I also think just like talking about stand
Speaker 1: culture is out, like I think we did it. It
Speaker 1: was sort of interesting for a second. It's such a
Speaker 1: shortcut to trying to seem interesting to talk about, like
Speaker 1: to talk about like the ills of stan culture, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, there's some people that are like kind
Speaker 1: of insane that are on their computer all day. Oh
Speaker 1: that will always exist. It's not it doesn't say anything
Speaker 1: larger about our society.
Speaker 2: And I think also with things moving away from Twitter
Speaker 2: and being more on TikTok, I think it's like less
Speaker 2: I don't know. It feels like less faceless to be attacked,
Speaker 2: so it's like less likely I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then my final thing is, just as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: my two question marks were Florida and satire, And I
Speaker 1: want to just spend like thirty seconds on satire because
Speaker 1: I do think at some point I think we even
Speaker 1: said satire was out last year because I think it
Speaker 1: was its power was clearly diminished, Like there has not
Speaker 1: been a powerful satire in a very long time. But
Speaker 1: there is something about this new Trump era where I'm like,
Speaker 1: if maybe everything is so discombobulated, everyone has sort of
Speaker 1: admitted defeat in terms of our current forms of resistance
Speaker 1: that I'm like, maybe there will just be a generation
Speaker 1: defining satiricalject like art object of some sort.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I even think, like I know, he's you know,
Speaker 2: been making these types of videos forever and he's been
Speaker 2: like written about a million times, but I really think
Speaker 2: it's like the Conra O'Malley style of like embodying the
Speaker 2: evil man is going to continue to be more and
Speaker 2: more popular and you're going to see a lot more
Speaker 2: people doing it. And I think, like I and I
Speaker 2: actually think I really like his style, and I think
Speaker 2: he will, like I wonder what he'll do in this
Speaker 2: new Trump era because it is like he has such
Speaker 2: a way of like being insane about it that I
Speaker 2: do think is like the only thing to do.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I wonder. I've been actually really
Speaker 1: wanting to watch the Boots Riley show I'm a verb.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I haven't seen that, but there.
Speaker 1: Was a you know, when Sorry to Bother You came out,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is something like what if this
Speaker 1: ushers in a new era of this kind of of satire?
Speaker 1: And then I just think it's really hard to get
Speaker 1: things like that made. Yeah, but I wonder if if
Speaker 1: a Boots.
Speaker 2: Riley sort of more bald fasally like commenting on like
Speaker 2: yeah money and like systems rather than like on like
Speaker 2: Trump has a silly voice. Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I think that's a good, good idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even the substance. I don't think the
Speaker 1: substance is an amazing sad tire. I'm sorry to say,
Speaker 1: but I think it is. You know, it's on the
Speaker 1: right track.
Speaker 2: Hey. The more I sit with it, the more I'm like,
Speaker 2: I love that movie.
Speaker 1: No, I liked it, to be clear, I just don't
Speaker 1: necessarily think it was like an amazing sad tire. I
Speaker 1: think it was like an amazing kind of like crazy
Speaker 1: over the top body horror movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, I mean this
Speaker 2: has been I think this has been good. I feel
Speaker 2: like this is an electric episode. I feel very I
Speaker 2: think I came in My were really cynical and You've
Speaker 2: made me feel optimistic about the future. And and you know,
Speaker 2: time keeps ticking and things change, and it's there's good
Speaker 2: and there's bad, and I for one am excited.
Speaker 1: But and and let's just not get neutral or complacent.
Speaker 1: You can you can take a step back and take
Speaker 1: in what's going on around you. That's okay, but don't
Speaker 1: accept it blindly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have a nightcap and talk about communism.
Speaker 1: You're like, Nike apps is That's like maybe the biggest
Speaker 1: idea we've had.
Speaker 2: I'm like being so excited. I'm like really, I'm like
Speaker 2: imagining being out and being like, do you want to
Speaker 2: have a nightcap at our place? Like? Oh, how fun? Wow?
Speaker 2: Damn Okay, Well, well happy, yes.
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