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Speaker 1: we are doing a big, jam packed Stradio Lab live

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Speaker 1: show on Friday, January seventeenth at Cobbs Comedy Club as

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Speaker 1: part of SF's Sketch Fest. We cannot wait to see you, guys.

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Speaker 1: see you January seventeenth at Cobbs Comedy Club, part of

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Speaker 1: SF Sketch Fest. See you there and enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now. Wow Wow Wow. First of all, Happy

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Speaker 2: holidays from holidays here as Tradio Lab.

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. I know, I said I wasn't in

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Speaker 1: the holiday mood last time we spoke about the concept

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Speaker 1: of being in the holiday mood, but I actually fully am.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling in a big way. I think being in LA,

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Speaker 2: you really have to manufacture it. And so I've made

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Speaker 2: a conscious choice to like put on Christmas music, like

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Speaker 2: to like pretend like it's cold out, and so I'm

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Speaker 2: kind of feeling it's kind of working.

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Speaker 1: You know, I really want to get into LA, first

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Speaker 1: of all, the concept of manufacturing and Los Angeles more broadly,

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Speaker 1: because of course, like so many things in LA, initially

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Speaker 1: the deepest possible, the deepest possible concept. It's like, at first,

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Speaker 1: you know you want to be like, well, of course

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Speaker 1: everything's manufactured in LA. You manufacturer holiday Spirit, you manufacturer Buzz,

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Speaker 1: your manufacturer wards Buzz, manufacturer beauty. You can go to

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Speaker 1: the doctor say I want on your face, okay, And

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Speaker 1: so initially that seems like, oh, it's a vapid it's

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Speaker 1: this vapid town. No, no, no, In fact, it's actually

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Speaker 1: a window into how everything is made. You think it's

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Speaker 1: just LA that's manufacturing the holiday spirit, honey, it's all manufactured,

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Speaker 1: and not just that, but LA is so much better

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Speaker 1: because it invented manufacturing holidays.

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Speaker 2: Say, it knows how to manufacture better than anyone else. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so they can manufacture in a way that other people

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Speaker 1: And the fact that that is the industry, that's the

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Speaker 1: like it is, are you kidding me? Everyone else is

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Speaker 1: going around thinking the holiday spirit is natural. People know

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Speaker 1: it's crafted. They know it's crafted, and they are like,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's have a meeting and talk about how

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Speaker 1: we can craft it. For Q four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on the Paramot lot where I work, they set

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Speaker 2: hits and they had fake snow And I'm like, now

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Speaker 2: that is genius, Like yeah, it's fully like sixty five

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Speaker 1: It's groundbreaking stuff. It's interesting thinking about that. I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: am I more moved? This is a really important question.

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Speaker 1: Am I more moved by the manufactured fake snow just

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Speaker 1: am I more moved by suddenly everything is fake? Everything

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Speaker 1: is like the fact that breaking through all the fake stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, from my own perspective, I do feel

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Speaker 2: no one created this but the weather. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you almost have to go through both.

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Speaker 2: It's like, this is what snow is based on. Yeh, yeh,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, snow is based on snow.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like going to an incredible Michelin star

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Speaker 1: Next day, you know you have to go to your grandma's.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. Real snow is grandma's pound cake. Fake snow is gastronomy.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's we are. We are in it. We are

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Speaker 2: Should we just start, Well, we should start. And so

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Speaker 2: today we're going to be covering the ins and outs

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five because you know what a year

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four has been. We have experienced it in

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Speaker 2: so many ways. Shout out to the new pop girls.

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Speaker 2: We have a whole new generation of things. All of

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Speaker 1: It was a it was a good year for.

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Speaker 2: What was it? A good year for I think it

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Speaker 2: was a good year for change.

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Speaker 1: It was a good year for change. It was a

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Speaker 2: Dare I say to.

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Speaker 1: Phrase it in such straightforward, crass terms, like there's something about, uh,

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Speaker 1: of Charlie xx. Yeah, alt one, alt one, And it's

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Speaker 1: almost like it won too much. Yeah. And and gay

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Speaker 1: guys won, and gay guys won in both good and

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Speaker 1: bad ways, like gay guys also won in absolutely repugnant ways.

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Speaker 1: I mean literally, there are two gay men that are

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Speaker 1: Trump's cabinet. And now they I read this, if he

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Speaker 1: gets if he gets confirmed, there will have been three

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Speaker 1: gay men total that have been in like cabinet level positions.

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Speaker 1: And of the three, two two of them were in

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Speaker 1: different Trump administrations.

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Speaker 2: Who's the gay man in Trump's cabinet.

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Speaker 1: It's the guy Oh my god, you know that headgshrend

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Speaker 1: manager that beset. Oh god, I am so ignorant.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't know this was happening. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: Scott Bessent, Scott Bessent.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna be Who's going to be Treasury secretary?

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Speaker 2: Wow? You know I hooked up with the Canadian Secretary

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, hopefully he wasn't right wing.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't know where he stood. I just knew

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Speaker 1: So I've read a little bit about the Scott Bessent

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Speaker 1: by print media. I'm not gonna turn on a television

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Speaker 1: look like it doesn't look like it's hards in the

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Speaker 1: right place. Let's just say that.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say that.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting that of the three people you know,

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Speaker 1: is uh is going to be in the second fingers crossed.

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Speaker 1: He it's been from y'all foray for gay progress anyway.

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Speaker 1: The point is to go back to your to your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and gay one, I mean gay lesbians one two

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Speaker 2: I do think, well, I think the whole Chapel thing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, but I think Chapel and Renee Rap

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Speaker 1: But it is interesting. It's an interesting thing that these

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Speaker 2: That sends lesbian's one. I do think. I'm feeling like

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, have we had this conversation before?

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Speaker 1: I'm having incredible day, Javou, Like we we literally have

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's not your fault. But but bisexuals,

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Speaker 1: Here's what I think. I think the initial round of

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Speaker 1: We are some of the best guests we've had on

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Speaker 1: what happens is, potentially people will feel more empowered to

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Speaker 1: make jokes because it's a much more stable category in

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Speaker 1: jokes and say the f slur because we're not worried

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Speaker 1: So it's almost like maybe a second round of bisexual

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Speaker 2: I love that theory. I hope you're right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but I think we should get into it because

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Speaker 2: We have long lists. I didn't say how many. We

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Speaker 1: I have got you.

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Speaker 2: Kick us off.

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Speaker 1: I have an out that I think might be a

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Speaker 1: good intro. Okay, So my first out is the paranoid,

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Speaker 1: defensive style of speaking. So this is something I'm very

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Speaker 1: obviously these are not literal. Obviously we are just having

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, we went through the very

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Speaker 1: long Burger and Martini era where that was like the

435
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Speaker 1: comfort food everyone craved, and I just think the next

436
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Speaker 1: chapter of that is spaghetti and meatballs. I like like

437
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Speaker 1: having people over and having a giant bowl of spaghetti

438
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: and meatballs and like, you know, having I think there's

439
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a sort of like Alison Romanesque actually, Alison

440
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: has a great meatbal recipe, but I think there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be like some sort of viral moment or something that

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00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: or even even like a movie moment, like a Lady

443
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: in the Tramp spaghetti moment. Like there's gonna be something

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00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: that puts spaghetti on the meatballs back on the map

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00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: in a big way. I actually am saying this from

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Speaker 1: personal experience, because I had a dinner party where I

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00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: served spagetti and meatballs, and I got more compliments than

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00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: I've ever gotten on like more difficult things I've cooked

449
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 1: or baked or anything that's basically all anyone wants.

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Speaker 2: I think this is one of the most genius predictions

451
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: of all time, the way that instantly when you said this,

452
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 2: it clicked with me. And I'm like, because people still

453
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: are wanting the simple, They're still wanting to feel the

454
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: burger and martini vibe, but they've had enough burgers and

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00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 2: they've had enough Martini's. Like, I think you're so right

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00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: about the speating meat pulse. Do you have a like cocktail? Like, yes,

457
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: what is the cocktail?

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00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not a single cocktail, but I think Amorrow

459
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: based cocktails are gonna be big last night. I so

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Speaker 1: we sort of just have not like restocked our alcohol

461
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Speaker 1: in a while, and we have a very random assortment

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Speaker 1: of things. So when people come over, I'm constantly being like,

463
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Speaker 1: do you want to vermouth and soda? Like I because

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00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: I just like don't have enough stuff. And we had

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Speaker 1: this random bottle of a Verna and this bottle of prosecco,

466
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: and I looked up and I made an Averna spritz

467
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: last night for we had a friend over, and it

468
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: tasted like a sort of a twist on like a

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00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: diet coke, Like it was this like beautiful, kind of

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00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: like syrupy but not too sweet, spritsy but winterry drink.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I think Amari have been in for

472
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Speaker 1: a while. I'm not reinventing the wheel here, but I

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Speaker 1: think specifically not on their own, not on the rocks,

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Speaker 1: not just with soda, Like slightly more complicated cocktails that

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Speaker 1: are a marrow based I think could be almost like

476
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: a bridge between the more simple martini and the more

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Speaker 1: complicated and outdated like craft cocktail culture of the twenty tens.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like we went all the way in one direction,

479
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: then we went all the way in the other direction. Now,

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Speaker 1: a happy medium is an Amarro based three ingredient car.

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Speaker 2: George, I'm feeling so electric, I'm getting chills. I like,

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Speaker 2: I'm you're making me like see the future, and I

483
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: even like I I here's a prediction on the floor. Yeah,

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00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: go go go saying to someone do you want to

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00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: get a nightcap? Oh? Do you want to have a nightcap?

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Speaker 2: I think this is going to happen in a huge way.

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Speaker 1: Wait can I I sorry to get ahead of myself.

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00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: I'll then give you the opportunity to do three in

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Speaker 1: a row. But I have one that's related to that.

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00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: Oh great, okay. One of my ins is having people

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00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: over parentheses, but not for dinner, So George.

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00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: I I wrote down out dinner that is about food.

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00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So first of all, dinner parties I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna to say dinner parties are out as ridiculous. Obviously

495
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: we're all gonna still have dinner parties, but dinner parties

496
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: as this like incredibly branded important thing is out Like

497
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: that was very much like a post block to down

498
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Speaker 1: totally total let's fucking do this roaring twenties, like we're

499
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: gonna make shrimp cocktail blah, blah. But what I think

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00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: is gonna happen to your nightcap point is having people

501
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: over for drinks, having people over for tea, having people

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00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: over for coffee, and then you also made a little

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00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: bunt cake, so you serve them a little you know,

504
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: a slice of cake with their coffee, maybe a few cookies,

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00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: bowl of nuts. Not something where you're not even you

506
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: haven't even prepared something. You're just like, you go out

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00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: for dinner and then it's like, do you want to

508
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: come over for you know, dessert, and then you just

509
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: take out literally a thing of Hogan DAW's vanilla.

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Speaker 2: This is I'm excited. This actually makes me excited for

511
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: the future because I have been a little bit like

512
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: what what is the trendy? What's gonna be fun? And

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00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, this sounds so fun.

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00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: It's actually almost like sitcom level. You can walk into

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Speaker 1: your friend's apartment.

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00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent, but you also know not to

517
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: stay too long. You're like, exactly, I'll stay for like

518
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: an hour and a half.

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00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, uh okay, go you can okay, Okay.

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00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I said, didn't know that it's about food.

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Speaker 2: This is I should have brought I'm gonna do two

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00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: two quick ones because they were related to previous things

523
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: that we talked about, and I should have brought them

524
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: up before. One is out is Brooklyn and as a

525
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: Manhattan is in Now that sort of related the wealth thing. Sure, yeah,

526
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: and then the other thing is I really because Bratt

527
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: was so big, I think Green is out out out

528
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: and I think going Charlie XCX mode is really out

529
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: like it has been like market tested that it doesn't

530
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: work for other people. Yes, and I think people will

531
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: now not try to do that again.

532
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: No, it only works for her because it's like authentic

533
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: to her experience and because she has been perfecting it

534
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: for fifteen years.

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00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people will probably still try, but in a

536
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: less like you won't see like Katy Perry do it again.

537
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: You won't see who Camilla Cabeo do it again.

538
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I definitely agree about Green because it's not just Brad,

539
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: it's also Wicked. It's also with its green was just everywhere.

540
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: I also, I mean pink, the green and pink and

541
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Wicked was just such an assault that I think people

542
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: are gonna move away from those colors. I think we're

543
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: going to be seeing yellows. Let's say Purple's you know, yeah,

544
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: some night reds, even a burnt orange.

545
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: Burnt orange for crying out loud, Okay, I have I'm

546
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: realizing that I have a few that are related for

547
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: ends that maybe I'll just combine them into one thing.

548
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: I think the sort of Ashton Kutcher style punked dressing.

549
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: It will continue to be bigger and bigger, and that

550
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: includes I think that that his haircut, that like mop thing.

551
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: I think stud earrings are going to be back, oh okay,

552
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: and I think goates.

553
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: Well, you know, last year we predicted sideburns, which arguably

554
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: was not a correct prediction, but I think goatees make

555
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: more sense. I was actually so I was rewatching Happy

556
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: Endings and the main character, who's a complete flop. All

557
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: of them around him are incredible, but the main guy

558
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: is like, by by design, sort of like the straight man,

559
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: and he has a goatee that he's constantly made fun

560
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: of for hmmm. And it got me thinking, like they

561
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: actually have been fully out of the culture for so

562
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: long that we can we can bring them back and

563
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: really play with the form in a new way.

564
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see some gay guys doing it. Yeah,

565
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: it's gonna work, okay, gay go tees, gay go tees

566
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: on the red carpet.

567
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, Yeah, I mean my ends are better than

568
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: my outs. I have to say, I can attempt to

569
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: do an out. The idea of stigma is out, Like

570
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: I think that both stigmatizing something and reclaiming a previously

571
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: existing stigma are out like as a as a mode

572
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: of thinking, as a way of or organizing thought. It's

573
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: just like not how things are going to be viewed anymore,

574
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: because I almost think that the idea of stigma is

575
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: inherently related to a monoculture. There has to be like

576
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: a common language for something to then be stigmatized against

577
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: the common mainstream culture. And so when you don't have

578
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: mainstream culture and you just have a bunch of different subcultures,

579
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: it's like something can be stigmatized in this culture, but

580
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: not in this culture, and it can be like a

581
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: good thing here, but a bad thing here. And unless

582
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: you have the data in front of you, that's like

583
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: how many people stigmatizes and how many people don't. It's

584
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: just is not a useful way of thinking about anything

585
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: anymore interesting.

586
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: I mean, does this go along with like a there's

587
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: no more like canceling vibe or is it a different thought.

588
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I think that I'm more so thinking about like when

589
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: people are like mental illness is stigmatized. It's like, okay,

590
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: it is, broadly speaking, but in fact, in the community

591
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: that I'm a part of, it's encouraged. Like in no

592
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: room that I'm ever in, is mental illness stigmatized, or

593
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: even if you're like something about even something around like

594
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: queerness or body type or like things that are traditionally

595
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: considered less than whatever the desirable version is.

596
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this is making sense to me.

597
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: Obviously, people still face oppression and people still face like discrimination,

598
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: but the concept of a stigma, I think is like

599
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: the wrong way to look at it. Yeah, yeah, that's

600
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: sort of what I mean. I like that.

601
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: I think this works, okay, because you won't be stigmatized.

602
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: You'll just move to a different culture exactly. That's exactly

603
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: what hop on over to someone.

604
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: Because a stigma implies like a red you know, for adulterer.

605
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I have an out. I think making fun of

606
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: cringe liberalism, oh so out, so out. I think, like

607
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: making fun of the like in this house we believe

608
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: like stuff like that. You're just sort of gonna be like, yeah,

609
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: I get it, like cope, however you can. I think

610
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like I don't think it'll be happening

611
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: as much because I think people are like, don't feel

612
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: a fire under them. But I also think when it happens,

613
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: you'll be like, yeah, yeah.

614
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: It's like making fun of Hamilton. It's like it's over, yeah,

615
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: so we're gonna make fun of Hamilton, or like there's

616
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: just something it used to feel fresh to rediscover things

617
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: from the Obama era. And obviously we do this more

618
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: than anyone can. We discover things from the Obama era

619
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: and think of them in a new light. But enough

620
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: time has passed that the Obama era is now basically

621
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: what the Clinton era was then, like you just have

622
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: to accept it.

623
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: It happened, folks, that happened, So that happened, So that happened.

624
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Been wow, Okay, I'll do an inn. I think that

625
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: aerobics could make a comeback wow, because I think it's

626
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the only form of trend based exercise that hasn't made

627
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: a comeback, like even line This is not a form

628
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: of exercise, but even like line dancing, it has become

629
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: like a cool thing. Queer people do. But aerobics, which

630
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: has all the makings of something that would get a

631
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: nostalgia based comeback, especially in a like post yoga post

632
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: pilates world.

633
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: Plus we have all this dance music.

634
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: We have all this dance music, I think people. Also,

635
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: everything is a you know, a brand activation and a

636
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: fashion collaboration now, so it's like someone's gonna go ahead

637
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: and make some you know, fluorescent colored aerobics clothing.

638
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm actually surprised this didn't happen with the Barbie Dua Lipa.

639
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the bar also and Dua Lipa.

640
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah it should have John Huh. I like this theory.

641
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: I wonder how they're gonna like elevate it from just nostalgia,

642
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: I know it, Like I wonder in like a like

643
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: an alloy world, like how are they gonna make it

644
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: like Instagram girlies love this? Yeah, And I'm not sure

645
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: what the answer is. But I mean, it'll be like

646
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: in a soul cycle way, like it'll be like a

647
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: dark room.

648
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Right, it won't be to be clear, it won't be cool.

649
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is gonna be like a cool thing,

650
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: but it'll Soul cycle is the perfect comparison it'll be

651
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: like some company that has seed like venture funding will

652
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, you know what, we haven't

653
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: done it in a while, is like a good aerobics craze,

654
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: like it worked the first time. It's been long enough,

655
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: you know what I predict. Then there's gonna be some

656
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: viral interview of Jane Fonda responding to it, and people

657
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: asking her like, so what do you think of the

658
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: new aerobics craze, and she'll be like, well, you know,

659
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: there's a reason it worked, like blah blah blah, and

660
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: then people like clips from her aerobics take will be

661
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: viral on TikTok.

662
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: I love this, Yeah, and okay it maybe it may

663
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: have missed with Barbie and Dualipa, but with the substance

664
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: I think they could.

665
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Of course I forgot about the substance, yes, of course. Yeah, okay,

666
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: all right.

667
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see I have a really controversial one. Okay,

668
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: this is an inn I predict there's gonna be a

669
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: conversation about how there hasn't been a new funny fat

670
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: guy at SNL WHOA. I think in the same way

671
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: that there was a conversation about like there hasn't been

672
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: a black woman on like when like in ten years

673
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: ago when that was happening. I think there's gonna be

674
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 2: like a we need a new funny fat guy at SNL,

675
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: and it people will be like nostalgic for like John Candy, Yeah,

676
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: like Chris Farley, Like people are gonna be like this

677
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: used to be the thing, and they're gonna like want

678
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: it again. Like I think with the fiftieth people are

679
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: gonna be reflecting on who used to be there and

680
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: that used to be such a thing that people would

681
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: say is like ESENL always has like the funny fat guy,

682
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: and I think that's gonna be there's gonna be a

683
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: conversation about how there hasn't been like a wild funny

684
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: fat guy in a while.

685
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: Wow, fascinating, And that's that fits it. It is so

686
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: much with the rest of where culture is going. It's

687
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: like literally it used to be that people would be

688
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: angry that there was not more racial diversity on ESNEL.

689
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna be people being like, why isn't there

690
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: a funny fat guy?

691
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: And it fits in with the like casual big like

692
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: casual bigotry sort of this like thing of like I

693
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: can say this, why isn't there a funny fat guy.

694
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see. I think one of my ends is,

695
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: and this is controversial, I think that San Francisco has

696
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: been hollowed out and sort of uh beaten down so

697
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: much with a combination of Silicon Valley transforming in than

698
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: leaving the pandemic, the various like controversies around local politics.

699
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: There just like insane rents, people moving to Oakland. Like

700
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: it's just sort of like terrible reputation both among you know,

701
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: conservatives obsessed with crime and progressives obsessed with like Silicon

702
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: Valley taken over whatever. I almost think it's like it

703
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: can't get any lower, and so it now will have

704
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: some sort of resurgence, like there's gonna be some maybe

705
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: it's like a local artistic scene of some sort. Maybe

706
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a new band that's from San Francisco.

707
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: Maybe there's gonna be a thriving art scene in some way.

708
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: And then maybe there will be some TV series or

709
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: film that's about a community that lives in San Francisco.

710
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: Then maybe people will remember all the different things that

711
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: they loved about San Francisco, or maybe it's an even

712
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: more nostalgic thing where there's going to be like a

713
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: movie about like hate Ashbury hippies or something, and then

714
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: that'll be a trend. But I just think like San

715
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: Francisco was so cool then it was so uncool, and

716
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: I think it has to it has to like circle back.

717
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: I like this and I really hope you're right, Like

718
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: there is something. When I think about San Francisco, it

719
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: is like this is like so sad. Yeah, it really

720
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: is like one of the bleaker things that has happened,

721
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: and you just like sort of move on because it

722
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: is a fact. It's just like Yep, Tech ruined an

723
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: entire city. It's just crazy and you have to just

724
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: be like okay, and it's like no, it's like we

725
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: haven't actually addressed this. Like this used to be a

726
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 2: thriving city with a cool vibe.

727
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: One of the Americans dead.

728
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: It is completely hallowed out. It is crazy.

729
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: So something you know, it's gonna something's gonna rise from

730
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: rise from the ashes.

731
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: I think has this is a genuine Has tech moved out?

732
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: Is it?

733
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: Well? A big part of it is like, first of all,

734
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: a lot of tech has moved to like Austin and

735
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: Miami and places like that. I mean the big I

736
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: mean Austin especially has just become this like huge tech capital.

737
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: The other thing that happened, especially during the pandemic was

738
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: because everyone started working from home, downtown San Francisco was

739
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: just like really like hollowed out in this way. There's

740
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: just like there's like all these empty buildings, but then

741
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: they're not being made into affordable housing or anything, so

742
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: it's just you know, this sort of like it was

743
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: this like ghost town.

744
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: That's interesting, But San Francisco's always like San Francisco is

745
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 4: defined back to the gold Rush by booms and busts,

746
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 4: Like it just isn't a stable place.

747
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: Like there's always going to be you know, incredible eras

748
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: of immense wealth and then eras where you know, things

749
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: are not going well, and it's always it always somehow

750
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: bounces back. And it's also very like amenable to new ideas.

751
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: So it might be something completely different. It might also

752
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: be worse.

753
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: Who knows, Hey, somebody's you gotta get before you better. Yeah, well,

754
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: I hope they come back. It's a gorgeous city.

755
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: It really is.

756
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: God And we're going to go there soon. San Francisco

757
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: sketch Fest Show.

758
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: It's probably the only show I have planned for twenty

759
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: twenty five, so same, see you there, see you there.

760
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see this. These are complicated, Okay. I think

761
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: an out an out is like I think public feminism.

762
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have like a like a high

763
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: profile woman be like I'm not really a feminist, like

764
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: and almost be like like there's gonna be sort of

765
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: a throwback vibe to like feminism. I actually love men, like.

766
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: I think it'll be like the misinterpreting, of course and wrong,

767
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: but I think that it's going to happen where I

768
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: think feminism as like a branding thing is out and

769
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: it'll be like I love men and feminists and then

770
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: it'll be like feminists are lesbians.

771
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: I love women defending men.

772
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love men.

773
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: I think women defending men is hugely in.

774
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like this again, all this it's all cyclical,

775
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: like because that and Trump is looming. Of course, Trump luming,

776
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: but it is, it is all cyclical, and I think

777
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: this will come back.

778
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: I know it's you know, it's funny. Feminism is one

779
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: of those terms. Of course, there are actual there is

780
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: an actual history of feminism, and there are actual definitions

781
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: and you can you know there is there? There's like

782
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: feminism is also like a lens through which to view

783
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: politics and culture. It is a way. It is an

784
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: academic line of thought. It is like a way to

785
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: It is a liberation movement. It is all these things

786
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: like in actuality. But there's also divorced from that, just

787
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: the specter of feminism in like the mainstream popular imagination.

788
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: That's almost literally a different thing, you know what I mean,

789
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: Like the actual concept, the substantial concept of feminism is

790
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: so different than what, like than what at any given

791
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: time in the nineties or twenty or twenty tens is

792
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: meant when a random person on television says I am

793
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: a feminist.

794
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean I'm realizing and going

795
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: through these Yours are way more optimistic and mine are

796
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: really cynical and pessimistic.

797
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily true. I mean I'm doing

798
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: much more, many more inns. I'm trying to think, like, hmmm,

799
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: oh I have a pessimistic one. Oh okay, all right,

800
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: So I think one of my inns is I think

801
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: AI will be in for longer before we get a backlash,

802
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: Like I think the sort of I think the obvious

803
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: thing would be to say everyone hates AI it's out

804
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. But I don't think that the case.

805
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: I think that like well, and everyone's distracted by like

806
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: oh AI created images, and like look at this crazy

807
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: fake image where this guy has like seven fingers because

808
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't created well, and like, oh, this AI created

809
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: poem is like actually shitty. And in the meantime, AI

810
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: is being used in way more nefarious ways and even

811
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: way more like normal ways to be honest, like, I'm

812
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: sure it's being used to make like incredible medical advances

813
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: that I don't know about, but I just think it

814
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: is going to first infiltrate the culture way way, way

815
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: way more before in like five ten years, there's like

816
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: a real backlash of some sort.

817
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: If ever, I think you're one hundred percent right. I

818
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: think this, Yeah, this is pessimism that I agree with.

819
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: It's sort of the the Elon thing where it's like

820
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: Elon shouldn't be winning. Like everyone who we know hates him,

821
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: Everyone on the internet hates him. It's like he's a

822
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: punching like punching bag for like everyone, and yet like

823
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: he is still in charge of Twitter. He is still

824
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: like in charge of the government, picked the president, like yeah,

825
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: he has all the power somehow. Still, and I think

826
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: AI is like this too, where it's like, yes, everyone

827
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: posts like oh this sucks, this is bad, but it's

828
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: like it's winning and it's going to continue to win.

829
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: No, there's something about it that it's uh, it's just

830
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: becoming the new. It no longer is like this little,

831
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: this mysterious thing on the rise, Like it's now just

832
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: AI went from being like punk rock hacker to being

833
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: man in suit. I mean, it is much more difficult

834
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: to take down man in suit than like someone infiltrating

835
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: the culture.

836
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: This is. I'm having the opposite reaction that I had

837
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: to your spaghetti and meatballs. I'm feeling so low about

838
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: this because I am like it's true and there's nothing

839
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: we can do about it. Like I'm really like stuck

840
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: on like what does this mean? And we won't know

841
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: until it happens, but I'm like, really sucks it like

842
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: can't be good in any way. And I feel like

843
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: even with like the Internet, we didn't know it was

844
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: gonna be bad. Like the Internet was like, Wow, this

845
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: is so exciting. We can like share information and learn anything.

846
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: We want at any given moment, and now it's like, oh,

847
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: this is kind of bad, Like I wish we didn't

848
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: have this sometimes, and with AI, we don't even have

849
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: that like this is going to solve everything. It's just

850
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 2: like start out the gate. It is bad.

851
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: No, I so agree with you. It used to be

852
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: that innovations first went through a phase of utopian thinking. Yeah,

853
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: even something like the telephone, Like it's like first you're like, wow, amazing,

854
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: we can connect with everyone, and then it's like, okay,

855
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: it's like promoting misinformation and people are addicted and teams

856
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: are committing suicide. But at least in the beginning you

857
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: can be like, we have a smart phone, it's a

858
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: computer in your pocket.

859
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was magical at first.

860
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: And I'm sort of like, but I also do think

861
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: there's a cl divide here because for many people they

862
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: do think of it as utopian honestly, Like you can

863
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: think of AI as like, oh, everything is going to

864
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: be so frictionless and then we're going to be free

865
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: to you know, work a three hour or work a

866
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: two day work week and then spend the rest of

867
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: the time painting. Like there is that utopian element of it,

868
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: but it is difficult to access that line of thinking

869
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: when the people that are the post your children for

870
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: it are like literal movie villains.

871
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and the it just is like so clearly

872
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: not that is not the goal, like it's just the

873
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: goal is to like be the first one to do

874
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: it so you can be rich before they eliminate all jobs.

875
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: Leve leve, bon voyage, bon voyage. Did I tell you

876
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: that I can't stop saying say love?

877
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: I have noticed.

878
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: Because I think it's it's such a fun way of being,

879
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: like I'm detached, like I don't care, and it adds

880
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: a little gen siqua, you know.

881
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: I think a fun trend would be to say French phrases,

882
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: but not in ways that makes sense of so just

883
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: like like I just did, like I just did with

884
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: bon Voyage, like that literally does not make sense in

885
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: this context.

886
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 2: I love to go, so that's kind of fun. Oh

887
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: what's my turn? Okay, here's an interesting out. I'm also

888
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: not sure if I'm gonna do all mine because I

889
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: don't know if I agree with all of them now

890
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: that we're reading these out loud. But here's an out

891
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: social media star meaning anything. I think there was a

892
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 2: second where it was like if you are big on Instagram,

893
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: you are big, like this can transition into a real thing.

894
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: I think social media star is becoming more and more disposable,

895
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: and more and more temporary, and more and more like, well, yeah,

896
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: I look at you and my phone. I don't really

897
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: care about you beyond that. And I think that used

898
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: to be less clear, like it would be like, oh

899
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: I saw this guy on Instagram. I love him, And

900
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: now it's like, no, I think you're because you're not

901
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: even following. You're like being fed stuff. And I think

902
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: so you don't feel investment, You're like that was a

903
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 2: funny video.

904
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: You don't even look at what someone's name is, like yeah,

905
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: And I think this is a mistake a lot of

906
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: our a lot of people we know, make where they

907
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: think their profile is rising because they're going viral, and

908
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: then in fact it's just like people might see you

909
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: on the street and be like that person looks familiar.

910
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

911
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: I Actually what's interesting about social media stardom is so

912
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: I think that what we're seeing is arise in like

913
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: a middle class when it comes to social media performers.

914
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: So the expectation that if you go viral, then you

915
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: reach some higher point is almost like, you know, the

916
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: promise that you'll found a small business and become a billionaire. Like,

917
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: I think there is this more consistent sort of middle

918
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: class of like in the same way that there are

919
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: so many working actors that are not wealthy, like you know,

920
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: Julia Roberts. I think that's what's happening with social with

921
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: quote unquote creators, is there's just this like large group

922
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: of people that like occasionally make a couple thousand dollars

923
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: doing a brand deal.

924
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's an interesting way of looking at it.

925
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: The gold rush is over.

926
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: The gold rush is over, exactly exactly.

927
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: The gold rush is over. Still you can still get

928
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: a little gold, yeah, but very little.

929
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: Okay. I actually have hm uh okay. I have one

930
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: that's sort of related to the AI thing and also

931
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: sort of related to Trump in a way. I sort

932
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: of think the movie and the I think V for

933
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: Vendetta is in.

934
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: Vv Vendetta is it? I don't know, Like, so what

935
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: does that mean to you? Like I hear that, and

936
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: I think like middle school ideas of activism, that's.

937
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: What it is. Yeah, there's something there's something that's like

938
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, so much of like Trumpian thinking there

939
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: is so childlike. And I think V for Vendetta, as

940
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: much as I really honestly enjoy it as a film,

941
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: V for Vendetta just has these very childlike notions of activism,

942
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: of justice, of oppression of power that are actually so

943
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: that can actually be sort of appropriated by anyone with

944
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: any politics. Like you can read it in a left

945
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: wing way, you can read it in a right wing way.

946
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: It's almost like what happened with the Matrix. Yes, And

947
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think.

948
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: Everyone thinks they're the V for Vendetta. They think they're

949
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 2: on like the good side. Yeah.

950
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: And and there's also I think I have generally noticed

951
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: just like a rise in violence being socially like the

952
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: idea of violence on.

953
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: Both the Assassin we have talking about the assassin, right, So.

954
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: There's the thing like I think that on the right

955
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: violence has very much in the Trump years become or

956
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: even like violent language, let's say, has become way more

957
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: socially accepted. And I think something that's happening now with

958
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: like with the assassin and even with the Trump assassination attempt,

959
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: is you see like respectable Midwestern moms being like, oh,

960
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: should have gotten him. Like there is just like a

961
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: comfort with almost like Gallows humor about violence.

962
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: Well it is true that, Yeah, there's something about like

963
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: the systems really not working and like people are like,

964
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: well there is one thing that can work, and like

965
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: people are being driven insane enough to be like Okay,

966
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: let's do that, Like let's and at least let's celebrate

967
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: it when it happens, because it's like nothing good happens

968
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: and systemically right now, like there's very few wins for

969
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: like the people, and so I do think when the

970
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: violence happens, it's like fun to be like, hell, yeah

971
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 2: we got him.

972
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and it almost feels not it doesn't even

973
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: feel dangerous because you're like, literally nothing good will ever happen. Yeah,

974
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: this is just like we're all just doing a little dance.

975
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like really trying not to. I think when

976
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 2: this comes out, it'll be like let's see, like it'll

977
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: be in like two weeks or something, and so who

978
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: knows where we'll be with the assassin.

979
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: Story of course. Yeah, sorry for everyone listening, know that

980
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: we still don't know the identity of the assassin of

981
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: the Sorry United Healthcare CEO shooter. We don't know his

982
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: identity and he has not been caught, so.

983
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: Who knows what we'll happen the next two weeks.

984
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: But what's currently happening is people are making joke about

985
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: how he's hot on the internet.

986
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: And I'm like genuinely trying not to get swept up

987
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: in Assassin Fever because i know, like, because it is

988
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: a ju juicy story and it is so like the

989
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: bullets had writing on them and it was like it

990
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: was political, and You're like.

991
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: But don't you think that's so V for Vendetta. It's

992
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: so V Frendeta writing on them? Are you kidding me?

993
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: That's so middle school? Yeah? And yet I'm like finally

994
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 2: like I'm like this rules and I'm I'm really trying

995
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: to check in with that and be like when I'm

996
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: you know, we're almost like horny right now, Like we're

997
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: horny for violence, and like I'm when I come, I'm

998
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: going to be like what was I thinking? Why was

999
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: I so horny for that? Yeah, And so I'm trying

1000
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: to not be so horny for it. But I am

1001
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: like there is something where it's like very attractive to

1002
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 2: me right now. Yeah, God, they should make a horny

1003
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: that you don't regret later.

1004
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would be crazy. I would not

1005
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: ever need to, you know, work another day in my life.

1006
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: For pretty are if there was a horny that did

1007
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: not make you feel shame later or you're kidding me the.

1008
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: Way that like, I feel like it's been happening more

1009
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: and more where I will come and then I'll be like,

1010
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: what have I been doing the last four days? No,

1011
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: it's like bad, I have been completely thinking wrong because

1012
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: I've been horny without knowing it.

1013
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: Like, but also but also take me back, this is.

1014
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: Men shouldn't be allowed on the government, folks. Okay, here's

1015
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: a weird out. Okay, and it's not that controversial. But Disney,

1016
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think totally. I think Disney is like

1017
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: so so so out. And I think before it was

1018
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: like Marvel is out, but I think now it's even further,

1019
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: like even like adults being like, well, this animated movie

1020
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 2: is actually really good. I think that's out. I think

1021
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: Disney is like beyond out.

1022
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm also I mean all these live action

1023
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: remakes are It's sort of shocking how I and I

1024
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: saw the trailer for the Snow White one and I

1025
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: was like, oh, God, you're doing CGI dwarfs.

1026
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I did not see the trailer for this.

1027
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: It's really it's really shocking actually, like and you know,

1028
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: I know we have left behind calling things problematic, but like,

1029
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, have little people not been through enough that

1030
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,479
Speaker 1: now your way around it is not even casting them

1031
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: in case it's offense. So you're literally doing basically like

1032
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: prejudiced caricatures of little people that as though they're animals,

1033
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: as though they're CGI animals. I'm actually I was shocked

1034
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: what I saw that.

1035
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: No, that is such a great point. I'm honestly like

1036
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: surprised they're even making this movie because you're just gonna

1037
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: step in it in so many ways. Yeah.

1038
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: But maybe but as we've said, like, cancel culture is over,

1039
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: so maybe it's literally like they're good, it's gonna be fine.

1040
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fine. But that for some reason they're canceling.

1041
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: Is that Rachel Ziegler, Yeah, they're canceling her because she

1042
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: doesn't like she's like, yeah, I feel fine about It's

1043
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: no way. She's like I didn't really grow up with

1044
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: it or something. She's like she's not doing the Ariana

1045
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: thing of like crying every time she's in her totally

1046
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: like she doesn't care.

1047
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: I sort of something I sort of appreciate about her

1048
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: is that she kind of does refuse to play the game.

1049
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: She's always sort of saying something randomly controversial, but then

1050
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: she's also not being controversial enough that it's like slag queen,

1051
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 1: you you did that. It's just sort of being sort

1052
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: of just putting her foot in it constantly.

1053
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: She's sort of just being like, can we wrap this

1054
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: up like that? All times exactly, And I think that's cool. Yeah, Okay,

1055
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: I have okay, I have an out. I think Sasha

1056
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 2: Baron Cohen is out, oh yeah in a big way.

1057
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: And you know he's going to try to do something

1058
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: in the Trump in.

1059
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: The Trump era. But I'm I actually think it's been

1060
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: a really long time coming, like a really long time coming,

1061
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: Like it is shocking that he got away with doing

1062
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: Borat two with and and there wasn't any sort of

1063
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: conversation about the larger politics of his work, and.

1064
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: In fact, it got nominated for an Oscar Yes, yes,

1065
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: and it was like bor At two. There's this thing

1066
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: about like in music where like the album sales more

1067
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: reflect the album that came before. And I really think

1068
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: that Borat two Is that for movies?

1069
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: That's genius. Yes, it's so true.

1070
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: Because people just love Borat one so much that then

1071
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: they were like, well, we have to support Borat two

1072
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: because Borat one is so beloved, and they're like, but

1073
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: I think actually, if a Borat three were to come out,

1074
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: the backlash would come so hard because no one actually

1075
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: liked bore At two.

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00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and he has been he himself has been

1077
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: really annoying.

1078
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, very smug. And now that he's like divorced from

1079
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: from Isla Fisher, Isla Fisher, it's like, wait that was

1080
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: you were like it was charming to know that you

1081
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: were with is Fisher totally totally and I was like,

1082
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 2: well she hates you, then I think I might hate

1083
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: you as well.

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01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: He's such a smug little bitch, like he thinks he's

1085
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: so smart, and he's been encouraged like I mean not

1086
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: to be so uh you know, Earnest Earnest, But I'm like,

1087
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: where's woman Let a woman have that career? Where is

1088
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: a silly woman doing crazy characters like and I'm so

1089
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: sick of It's like because he is, you know, a

1090
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: handsome British man he's like allowed to to toe the

1091
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: line and to be offensive and to it's like fuck off, enough.

1092
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: Enough and even like the whole like clowning tie into

1093
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: his whole deal where he's like I trained to be

1094
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: a clown. It's just like all right, Like I don't

1095
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: think this is for me. I'm also like he's like

1096
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: approached characters. I'm like enough with the voices, Like there's

1097
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: something about the Yeah, it's so one on one.

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01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: I mean, the first thought, it's quite I'm sorry the joke.

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01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I this is a problem I've always had.

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01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: But it's like I understand, I'm not an idiot. I

1101
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: understand that it's meant to be pointing out racism via

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01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: its own racism. Like I get it. I'm not an idiot,

1103
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: but like the whole thing is just my wife like fuck.

1104
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: Well. He also has like sort of classic South Park

1105
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: syndrome where it's like, you know, ironic like anti semitism,

1106
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: and then it's like but then people just actually do

1107
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: it to be anti Semitic. They're like that's so funny,

1108
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: and then they're like quoting it, and then when someone's Jewish,

1109
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 2: they're like doing it to them. It's like this is

1110
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: so weird.

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01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also I mean he is doing I mean

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01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: he is just doing a racist caricature, Like I mean,

1113
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like if we're taking off Hulu episodes

1114
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: of thirty Rock that have black faced, like, what are

1115
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: we doing with corat all? Right?

1116
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: So that's my out. Okay, let's see what have I

1117
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 2: not done? Oh okay, here's an inn.

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01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

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01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: I think male singers ooh okay. I think I think

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01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 2: it's been like the pop girlies have been like such

1121
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: a thing. And it's even straight guys are saying like, oh,

1122
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: the pop girlies, the pop girlies, And I think there's

1123
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: going to be like it's going to feel new and

1124
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: independent to stan a male singer. I'm kind of even

1125
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: thinking like a bony bear like someone like really yeah,

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01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: Like it's like your people are going to want a masculine.

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Speaker 1: Voice, I guess, okay, okay, and it's gonna make.

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Speaker 2: Them they're gonna be like, I'm not like other girls.

1129
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: I listen to a man saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think like Iron and Wine, Like it's

1131
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: like that kind of thing is kind.

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01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: Of do think that's gonna come back as like a

1133
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: reaction to like everything being so glossy and poppy.

1134
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean one of them. I mean there's

1135
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: such a misogyny to the idea that like a male

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01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: voice is more authentic than a female voice, which is

1137
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: what a lot of this is. Okay, I'm I mean

1138
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: I have to say it's already happening with like like

1139
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: these are people I barely whose work I barely know,

1140
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: but like m J. Lenderman is like getting.

1141
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: Big McGee McGee, of course.

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01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean. Also the Bone of Ar record I think

1143
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: is like well received.

1144
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's going to continue.

1145
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: I think it's going to continue trending. And similarly, h

1146
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: I think we've seen it a little bit, but I

1147
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: think like the TikTok generation is going to continue to

1148
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: find twenty tens indie rock and reappropriate it in ways

1149
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: that people our age are annoyed at. And like I

1150
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: think they're gonna like find like of Montreal and like

1151
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: there's gonna be like a viral trend to of Montreal

1152
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: and we're gonna be like what the hell? And but

1153
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 2: it is, like it's just it's gonna keep happening. They're

1154
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: gonna like find like Beach House teenage dream or whatever,

1155
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: and it's natives. Yes, yeah, even like I saw it,

1156
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 2: like somebody posted on Twitter the like MGMT performing in

1157
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: college and which obviously it was like damn a cocaine

1158
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 2: to me watching that. But I do think more and

1159
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: more of that is going to happen, like that nostalgia

1160
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: and repurposing of twenty ten stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's time for it. It's just like

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01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: it's just there's just like a bucket of things that

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01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: happened in the twenty tens and there where there. People

1164
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: are gonna keep fishing, putting their little fishing hooks in it,

1165
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: and whatever comes up is gonna trend for a month.

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's gonna be like annoying because everyone's gonna

1167
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: have to post about how it makes them feel old,

1168
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: and that only adds adds to it. It's just going

1169
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: to be this whole cycle over and over again.

1170
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: You know. Relate it to that Santa Gold renaissance now.

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Speaker 2: That I would love, I would love it could fit

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01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: into that trend. Yeah.

1173
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: She is one of these figures that's like maybe she

1174
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: could save us, you know.

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01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: I think at any point she could pop in and

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: save us. Yeah, damn I love her. Okay, I know

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Speaker 2: I love her too. Okay, Okay, here's a specific one.

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Speaker 2: Do you know the actress Jane Adams. No, look her up.

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01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: She was in The Idol most recently, and she's in

1180
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: so many iconics. She's just like a classic andie film actress. Yes,

1181
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: got it, Okay, I think she's going to have a

1182
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: big you know when people did it with Laura duran

1183
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: where they were like, she's like, she's been good consistently,

1184
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: but she's never gotten her due. I mean it's different

1185
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: because actually, Laura Durne had starring roles throughout her career,

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01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: whereas Jane Adams was always sort of a character actress.

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01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: But I think she has been so consistently good and

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01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: has never had her moment that I'm like, I'm seeing it,

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01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: like I'm seeing a sort of maybe it'll be some

1190
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: indie movie she's in that does like really well in Toronto,

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01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: and then there's like a grassroots campaign, and then there's

1192
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: like a Vulture article that's like Jane Adams has always

1193
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: been that girl.

1194
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: She's gonna get like the Melanie Linsky treatments.

1195
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the Melanie Linsky treatment, because she is so good. Yeah,

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01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: She's good at both drama and comedy. She is so

1197
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: like sort of like effortlessly cool in her own way.

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01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: She also is able to be both. She's able to

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Speaker 1: not be type cast. Like her role in The Idol

1200
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: is so different than she plays Hannah Iminder's mom and hacks,

1201
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: and she's like so like midwestern mom and hacks.

1202
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 2: Wow, I had forgotten about that.

1203
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: She's actually in this amazing movie. Well amazing as generous,

1204
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: but she's in this movie I believe called The Anniversary Party,

1205
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: which is directed by Alan Cumming and oh god, Jennifer

1206
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: Jason Lee. No wait, hold on, I'm looking it up.

1207
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: Jennifer jason Lee allen coming.

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01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you've nailed that.

1209
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: But she's really she's definitely the best part of it.

1210
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: So I just think it's gonna happen for her.

1211
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: I like this, Yeah, this is fun. I like when

1212
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: you get really specific with it. I think that's fun.

1213
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 2: I had an out okay that this is complicated, but

1214
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 2: I think Florida is out like Sam, I think caring

1215
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 2: about wait what I have?

1216
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: So I have a third section called question mark, which

1217
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: I can't decide if it's in or out, And it's

1218
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: just two things it's Florida and it's satire. I literally

1219
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: kept going back and forth because I was like, there

1220
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: is an argument to be made for both. In some ways,

1221
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: it's never been more in it is like Maga Central,

1222
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: the like crazy just like the crazy like maximalism of

1223
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: Florida is like really having a moment, uh huh. And

1224
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: of course, on the other hand, it's like I'm so

1225
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 1: sick of Florida as like a signifier of that kind

1226
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: of American debauchery. Like it's like it's it's it's like

1227
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: everyone's like, you know, having an orgy, and then an

1228
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: alligator shows up, and then a woman with giant tits

1229
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 1: like one of them pops and then she like floats,

1230
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: and it's just it's such a like this sort of

1231
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: like debaucherous like celebration of grossness and excess. Yeah.

1232
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's just like I think people

1233
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: are sick of it. I think people are sick of

1234
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: even jokes about it, and people are sick of like

1235
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: caring about it. And so I think it's like like

1236
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 2: there's it's gonna be crazy political things that happened under

1237
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 2: Trump in Florida still like the burning whatever, it's like

1238
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: like banning all these books, banning who knows what, like

1239
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 2: trans people from going to bathrooms, and it's like, but

1240
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: people are just gonna be like, well fuck it, like

1241
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: that's Florida. I'm not gonna think about it in like

1242
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 2: a weird way, Like yeah, I almost think like it's

1243
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 2: sort of the same thing about you said going to

1244
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 2: the ballet and stuff, where there's something about Florida where

1245
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 2: it used to be like we've got to do something

1246
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: or like or we got to make fun of them,

1247
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 2: And now I think it's like they're their own thing,

1248
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: and I don't really want to hear about it. No.

1249
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: It is sort of this weird amusement park people can

1250
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: move to if they like don't want to be in

1251
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: the real world. I my friend Tarpley, who's a journalist,

1252
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: wrote like some big feature on how it's becoming like

1253
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: Trump Central, and this was like three years ago, and

1254
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: so through that she met all these kind of crazy characters,

1255
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: and one of them is this woman. She has one

1256
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: million Instagram followers, and her thing is she is a

1257
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: realtor with comically giant fake boobs, like they're literally like

1258
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: it looks like she's a cartoon. They're so large that

1259
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: her dog can sleep, can lie on one of them

1260
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: and take a nap on top of it. Whoa and

1261
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: her and her entire feed is pro Trump and pro

1262
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: Israel like disinformation, and she's like this, she looks like

1263
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: one of the cock destroyers, like and she's literally like,

1264
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: if there's three things you gotta know about me, I'm

1265
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: a realtor, I have giant fake hits, and I love

1266
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Like, and you're just sort of like, where

1267
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: do we go from here?

1268
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: Where do we go from here? It's it's confusing.

1269
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see I have Oh, this is a quick one.

1270
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: Solo shows are out like, oh oh, a sort of

1271
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 1: this had, you know, things like the Nette and everything.

1272
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: It had a long tail. Still they're doing relatively well

1273
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: in Edinburgh and on Broadway. I mean, Baby Reindeer started

1274
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: out as a solo show, you know, but I just

1275
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: think I actually think Cole doing O Mary and having

1276
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: it be a real play rather than a solo show

1277
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: was like the death knell that solo shows needed, because

1278
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,919
Speaker 1: what people expected from Cole was to go to Omary

1279
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: and have it be them doing like a monologue as

1280
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: Mary Todd Lincoln.

1281
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1282
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that they were able to

1283
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: like not only not do that, but really succeed at

1284
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: not doing that means that the new thing that people

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Speaker 1: are going to try is doing their own O Mary

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Speaker 1: rather than doing their own the net.

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Speaker 2: Damn, that is so smart. I think it's hard for

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Speaker 2: me to I hadn't thought about that because I even

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Speaker 2: even though I've seen Omary and I know it's not

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Speaker 2: a solo show, but to me, in my mind, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: that's Cole solo show, and it just fully is not.

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Speaker 2: It is a play. It is a play. Yeah, people

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Speaker 2: are going to do that. And I also think if

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Speaker 2: there are our solo shows, they're going to be very unseerious.

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to be silly, silly, silly. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think this self seriously.

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Speaker 1: And they're gonna have a twist. Like I think it

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Speaker 1: could be that like part way through a second character

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Speaker 1: is introduced and you're sort of shocked because you're like,

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Speaker 1: I thought this was a solo show, or or it's

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Speaker 1: like actually, I was thinking about this when we had

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Speaker 1: Casey Jane Alison on the pod. That type of thing

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Speaker 1: could be a new take on it. It's like it

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Speaker 1: is a solo show in the sense that it's a

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Speaker 1: one woman show, but it is fictional and she's doing

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Speaker 1: different characters. Like that could maybe work. But what's out

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Speaker 1: is like a comedian having trauma and having a show

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Speaker 1: shaped around that.

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Speaker 2: If you have trauma, pack it up, Mama.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, go see you in Florida.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, And actually this is a I have maybe

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Speaker 2: this will be my last okay, okay one, which we

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Speaker 2: talked about a little bit on the Alana episode. Well,

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Speaker 2: spoiler alert because this is coming up before that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, we have. We have a lot of Glazer

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Speaker 1: coming on.

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Speaker 2: And I think therapy, but being chill about it, I

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Speaker 2: think the like like tongue in cheek, like fuck you

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Speaker 2: go to therapy is out. But I do think people

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Speaker 2: are going to be sort of like at a dinner

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Speaker 2: party and it'll be like, I mean, yeah, I am

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Speaker 2: in therapy. Like it's gonna be like there's going to

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Speaker 2: be an appropriate level of shame around it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, like therapy, talking about your therapist in the same

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Speaker 1: way you would talk about your primary care physician or

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Speaker 1: your dentist. It is not a cure all. It is

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Speaker 1: not like men need to go to therapy. It is

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Speaker 1: not dramatic. It is like just normal.

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Speaker 2: And I know last year we said therapy is out.

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Speaker 1: And it was then now it's back in.

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Speaker 2: It's back in, and it's like but with a subtle twist.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, I think it's back in. And I think

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Speaker 1: that like, uh, now that the hype around it has

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Speaker 1: died down, we can just go to therapy normal.

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Speaker 2: We can go to therapy normal.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I think I can just maybe like mention a

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01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 1: couple of other ones without going into them too much.

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Speaker 1: I think in the same way that gay men, in

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01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: my mind unsuccessfully ultimately tried to appropriate pearl necklaces. I

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Speaker 1: think the next stage of that is like New Mexico's

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Speaker 1: style turquoise jewelry. I think it's gay men wearing like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the turquoise jewelry that like a really liberal

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Speaker 1: mom would wear.

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Speaker 2: That is so funny. That is so funny. And I

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01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 2: was kind of thinking of something similar, which I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure if I believe it or not, but I was like,

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01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,719
Speaker 2: where do we stand on like a leather bracelet, because

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Speaker 2: we've done like these sort of tony soprano metal bracelets

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Speaker 2: and I still like that and I think that's fun.

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Speaker 2: But I am like there's a whole material that we're

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01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: forgetting about that like was dominant for a while. And

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Speaker 2: I wonder if it's gonna in a leather with a turquoise.

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Speaker 2: I think could really pop back in definitely, And I

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Speaker 2: don't like it. I don't think that looks good, but

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Speaker 2: but I do think it will. It could happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sculpture I think is in. Oh, I think it will.

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01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,799
Speaker 1: I think it's actually like it's like the most anti

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01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: digital thing you could do is create three dimensional art,

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01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like the backlash against

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01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: our phone addictions, against social media addiction, against like everything

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Speaker 1: it's like, and also against things that don't require any skill.

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Speaker 1: It's like, even if your sculpture is just one cone,

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01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: at least you had to carve it.

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Speaker 2: You know. I like this a lot, and I even

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 2: think as home decor it's like a little fun, playful

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01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 2: thing because I've been noticing that I've been getting like

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01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: I found this like wooden dolphins sculpture, and I was like,

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01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 2: this is so playful, and yet in the in the

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01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 2: room it looks amazing. You're like, this is so funny

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Speaker 2: and I and I like it.

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Speaker 1: And then very quickly. I think that I think talking

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Speaker 1: about college campuses is out, but it will come back

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01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: very quickly. Yeah, Like I just think, like an obsession

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 1: with college campuses is out, but I think because this

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01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: stuff comes in waves, it's like give it a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think. I also think just like talking about stand

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Speaker 1: culture is out, like I think we did it. It

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01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: was sort of interesting for a second. It's such a

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01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: shortcut to trying to seem interesting to talk about, like

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Speaker 1: to talk about like the ills of stan culture, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, there's some people that are like kind

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01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: of insane that are on their computer all day. Oh

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01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: that will always exist. It's not it doesn't say anything

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01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: larger about our society.

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Speaker 2: And I think also with things moving away from Twitter

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 2: and being more on TikTok, I think it's like less

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01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. It feels like less faceless to be attacked,

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01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 2: so it's like less likely I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And then my final thing is, just as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: my two question marks were Florida and satire, And I

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01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: want to just spend like thirty seconds on satire because

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Speaker 1: I do think at some point I think we even

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01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: said satire was out last year because I think it

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01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: was its power was clearly diminished, Like there has not

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01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: been a powerful satire in a very long time. But

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Speaker 1: there is something about this new Trump era where I'm like,

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: if maybe everything is so discombobulated, everyone has sort of

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01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: admitted defeat in terms of our current forms of resistance

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01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: that I'm like, maybe there will just be a generation

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Speaker 1: defining satiricalject like art object of some sort.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I even think, like I know, he's you know,

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01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 2: been making these types of videos forever and he's been

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01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 2: like written about a million times, but I really think

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01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 2: it's like the Conra O'Malley style of like embodying the

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01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 2: evil man is going to continue to be more and

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01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 2: more popular and you're going to see a lot more

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Speaker 2: people doing it. And I think, like I and I

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01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 2: actually think I really like his style, and I think

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01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: he will, like I wonder what he'll do in this

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01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 2: new Trump era because it is like he has such

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01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 2: a way of like being insane about it that I

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01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 2: do think is like the only thing to do.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I wonder. I've been actually really

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01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: wanting to watch the Boots Riley show I'm a verb.

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01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I haven't seen that, but there.

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01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: Was a you know, when Sorry to Bother You came out,

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01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 1: I was like, this is something like what if this

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01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 1: ushers in a new era of this kind of of satire?

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Speaker 1: And then I just think it's really hard to get

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Speaker 1: things like that made. Yeah, but I wonder if if

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01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: a Boots.

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Speaker 2: Riley sort of more bald fasally like commenting on like

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01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 2: yeah money and like systems rather than like on like

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01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 2: Trump has a silly voice. Yes, yes, exactly, Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good, good idea.

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even the substance. I don't think the

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Speaker 1: substance is an amazing sad tire. I'm sorry to say,

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01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: but I think it is. You know, it's on the

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Speaker 1: right track.

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Speaker 2: Hey. The more I sit with it, the more I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I love that movie.

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Speaker 1: No, I liked it, to be clear, I just don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily think it was like an amazing sad tire. I

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Speaker 1: think it was like an amazing kind of like crazy

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01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:39,719
Speaker 1: over the top body horror movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, I mean this

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Speaker 2: has been I think this has been good. I feel

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Speaker 2: like this is an electric episode. I feel very I

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01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 2: think I came in My were really cynical and You've

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 2: made me feel optimistic about the future. And and you know,

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01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 2: time keeps ticking and things change, and it's there's good

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01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 2: and there's bad, and I for one am excited.

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01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: But and and let's just not get neutral or complacent.

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01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: You can you can take a step back and take

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01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: in what's going on around you. That's okay, but don't

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01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: accept it blindly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have a nightcap and talk about communism.

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01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: You're like, Nike apps is That's like maybe the biggest

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01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: idea we've had.

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01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: I'm like being so excited. I'm like really, I'm like

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01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: imagining being out and being like, do you want to

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01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:43,799
Speaker 2: have a nightcap at our place? Like? Oh, how fun? Wow?

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Speaker 2: Damn Okay, Well, well happy, yes.

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Speaker 1: And we hope you have an amazing sort of last

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Speaker 1: little stretch of the year. We hope you have a

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Speaker 1: wonderful New Year's Eve. We are so grateful listen and

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Speaker 1: thank you for sticking with us all these years. We

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Speaker 1: are very, very thankful.

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Speaker 2: And if you are in San Francisco, please come to

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Speaker 2: our show at San franciscouch Fest on act January.

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Speaker 1: January seventeenth, Expops Comedy Club. It's like one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest shows. I mean We have done cobbs before, but

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Speaker 1: I think the combination of cobs and sketch Fest it's

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Speaker 1: like we need to get butts and seats like this

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