1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: there's Chuck, and Chuck is out of his mind on 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: endorphins right now. And this short stuff, like I said, 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: oh man, I've been running for hours and I just 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: like can't even feel my feet. I'm like, I'm floating, man, 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: It's amazing. I'm not even breaking a sweat, and I'm like, 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm having such a runners high. Bro, you sound like 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: the average marathon are like so much. I got on 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: my barefoot running shoes. Oh man, I don't ever want 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: to talk about that again. We talked about this runners 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: high in some episode to such a degree. I was like, 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: have we done it as a short stuff? Really? I 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: think so? We must have talked about it in marathons 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, I bet that was it. 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: I believe a standalone short stuff is a great way 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: to go with it. Yeah, But you know what I 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: was describing is what runners will tell you they feel 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: oftentimes when they are on what's known as a runners high, 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: which is you light as a feather, you're floating, your 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: pace is strong, and sometimes they might even burst out 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: into uncontrollable tears of joy that they can't even explain. Yes, 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: So I have you ever had a runners high? No, 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: because I think you gotta run a long way to 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: even if it even exists, it occurs, you know, not 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: at mile one. So I have never had a runners high. Um. 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: But this these emotional sobs that they mentioned I can 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: identify with because like I hit the tread that every 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: morning when I hit the treadmill. When I run, I 29 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: very rarely run outside and I usually run about eleven am. 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: So I end up watching the Prices right while I 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: run a lot. And by the end of the show, 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: when like people are winning or losing or whatever, are 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: you crying? I crying is not the right word, but 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: like my chest is tight, and like I'm overcome with 35 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: the most of these got hitch, you know, And I'm like, well, 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: this is clearly this has to do with running or 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: exercising or something. But it's pretty funny that, yeah, I 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: get it gets to me by the end of the 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Price is right? All right? Let me see if I 40 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: can trigger you. Ready, Dent, Dent, it's too early for 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: a break. You get a press on, brother, Okay, let's 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: just do you take it from here. By the way, 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: is one of the greatest theme Songs of All Time. 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, iconic. I haven't seen it in I mean, 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: I haven't really seen much of any of the Drew 46 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: Carey stuff, and I can still just rattle that thing. 47 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: It's fine. He's he's good, he's finally settled in. He 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he's not Bob Barker, but he knows he's 49 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: not Bob Barker. He's not trying to be Bob Barker. 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: He's Drew Carey and he's doing his own thing, and 51 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: it's good. All right. So let's talk about flow state. 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: This is um a concept that Hungarian American uh psychologist 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: to insert name, go please, there's sixteen No, man, there 54 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: are sixteen letters in this person's last name, and all 55 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: continents five of them are vowels. So's hear his name 56 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: is me hi chick, sent me hi ah, look at you, 57 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I'm sure that I my dialect 58 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: was like nowhere near Russia. Um, but uh, that's pretty 59 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: close from what I can tell. Yeah, just picture in 60 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: your mind something spelled like this. Everyone C S, I, K, 61 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: S Z E N T M I H A L 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: Y I. That was his last name. Yeah, that's the 63 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: last name. So I want to say it again. Okay, yeah, yeah, 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: I want to hear it again. Me Hi Chick sent 65 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: me Hi. That sounds like it sounds like a sentence. 66 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: It sounds like you're saying something in a different language. 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: I am, I'm saying this guy's name, like, I appreciate 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: the advice. Can you point me in the direction of 69 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: the nearest car rental? Me Hi Chick set me I. Okay, 70 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: it's right over there. Then. UM. I'm glad we're patting 71 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: this out with comedy because there's not a lot to 72 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: the runners high as we will learn. But flow state 73 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: is what uh say it? Me Hi Chick sent me 74 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: Hi came up with after interviewing athletes and musicians and 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: artists basically about what brings them joy and basically kind 76 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: of came to the conclusion that when these people are 77 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: performing at peak levels, whether they're songwriting or poetry, slamming, 78 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: or running marathons, that they all say that they fall into, 79 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: or I guess the majority of people say they fall 80 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: into this really focused to mental state that they call 81 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: the flow state, where it's just like I've channeled, I'm 82 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: channeling something. I'm not even working to do what I'm 83 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: doing it's just coming out of me. Have you ever 84 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: been in that state? I know you haven't had a 85 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: Runners high, neither have I, but I've been in a 86 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: flow state before of you. I feel like I've been 87 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: in a flow state with writing before. I don't remember 88 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: what I was doing while I was doing it, but 89 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: I remember being like, oh wow, this is this is 90 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: something special. And it was probably something mundane like um, 91 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: digging a hole or something like that, which you know 92 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: I'm known to do, but I it is a pretty 93 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: neat thing, like there's it's just effortless. There's a certain 94 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: amount of joy and pleasure to it. You feel a 95 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: little bit high, and it's because it's my My theory 96 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: is that, um, your body has stopped, your body and 97 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: your mind have stopped trying to find the most efficient, um, 98 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: least wasteful energy energy wise way of doing what you're doing, 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: and now it's just doing it. So there's no there's 100 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: no ever, there's no trying to figure something out, there's 101 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: no wasted energy, and it's just it can be pleasurable 102 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: in that sense. Right, So flow state they think might 103 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: have a link to being uh, to encountering a Runners high. 104 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: But here's the thing is, most athletes haven't experienced a 105 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: runners high. It's not like all you gotta do is 106 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: run eight or more miles and you're gonna get one. 107 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: And then there's and I guess this would be a 108 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: good time to break. There's a lot of debate about 109 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: if a runners is even real to begin with, scientifically speaking, 110 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: is it real? We'll find out right after these messages 111 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, Chuck. Is it real? Well, first, we 112 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: should just say that the whole idea of this came 113 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: around in the seventies when the big running boom really 114 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: kicked off off. Yeah, exactly, and the doctor started looking 115 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: into it a little bit, and researchers they're like, is 116 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: this even a thing? Can we explain this physiologically? And 117 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: they they kind of landed on initially endorphins, which are 118 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: neurotransmitters that are sending chemical messages activating opiate receptors, and 119 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: basically they can create a sort of an analgesic effect 120 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: that could numb the body to pain and trigger a 121 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: kind of morphine like euphoria, let's say. And they're like, 122 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: all right, if you're running enough, maybe you're just The 123 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: surge of endorphins is what's explaining this? I mean, and 124 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: that's what it stayed for decades. Basically, Like when I 125 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: first started getting into running ten years ago, I used 126 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: getting into running and making air quotes. Um. I remember 127 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: hearing like, oh, it's endorphins. Uh. And endorphins do like 128 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: keep your muscles from making They do, UM have like 129 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: the analgesic effects like you're talking about. But the big 130 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: problem is is they apparently don't cross the blood brain barrier. Yeah, 131 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: so I guess somehow they do release opioids or they 132 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: activate your opioid receptors, but I'm not sure how they 133 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: do that if they can't get to your brain, or 134 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: maybe there's something that gets to your brain but it's 135 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: not the ones that get released by your muscles. Whatever 136 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: the case, these early UM researchers physiologists who said it's 137 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: endorphins just they were just making it up. No one 138 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: went back and checked their work, and when they finally did, 139 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: they saw that this was just bunk. Basically, it's bunk 140 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: is speed reading. Yeah exactly. UM, that's a good T shirt. 141 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: Um In there was a study out of Germany that 142 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: basically said that running can stimulate your indo cannabinoid system, 143 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting. Um, your body produces endocannabinoids. It's 144 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: like you're sort of built in, um, cannabis, cannabis system. 145 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: It's your body pot. Yeah, it's it's yeah. Good band name. 146 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: Oh man, it's a great band name. And I don't 147 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: even like my band name stuff usually, but body pot 148 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: sounds great. Yeah, that's pretty good. When what kind of 149 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: music is it? Though you're always not it's because it's 150 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: classical but done on alright. Very interesting. That's another thing. 151 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: You just created a genre. I think I might have 152 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: not a good one, but I did sure. So, Um, 153 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: have you ever seen that that blue grass band do 154 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: a C d C thunderstruck? No, I bet it's pretty good. 155 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. I am not a big a C 156 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: d C guy, but I can imagine hearing somebody do 157 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: that on anything. It's pretty stirring. Like watching the end 158 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: of Prices right after you've been running a few miles. 159 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah that that guitar like sounds pretty cool in the banjo. 160 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: So the Yeah, endocannabinoids, cannabinoids, um, they you can you know. 161 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: It's it's like what pot does for you. Basically, it 162 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: improves your anxiety and improves your mood. Uh, this is 163 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 1: why some people turned to marijuana to reduce their anxiety, 164 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: and this does actually pass the blood brain barrier. I 165 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: don't understand that about how marijuana reduces anxiety. I know 166 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: for a fact that it does, but I feel like 167 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: it's a certain kind of person that marijuana has that 168 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: effect on, and that does not have that effect on everybody. Sure, 169 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: I mean I think there are plenty of people where 170 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: marijuana very much increases their anxiety. Yes, and that is 171 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: the saddest thing of all. Yeah, it's just said. It's 172 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: it's called getting robbed by God himself or herself for 173 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: their self. Yeah, because if it only did the one 174 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: thing and reduced anxiety, it would be the wonder drug 175 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: of the world. It's true. Yeah, we didn't have this 176 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: conversation in the Girl Scouts episode. Yeah, that'd be bad. 177 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: But like I said, unlike the endorsed and these endocannabinoids 178 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: can move through that that blood brain barrier and give 179 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: you that feeling of calm. So they think that might 180 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: have something to do with the runner's eye. Yes, so, 181 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: which makes a lot more sense. I mean endocannabin When 182 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: we seemed like it's probably the case that that is 183 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: what gives you some sort of euphoric feeling while you're 184 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: in that flow state. But again, it's possible that the 185 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: runner's high doesn't even exist, and that it's one of 186 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: those things where it's like a self self fulfilling prophecy 187 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: or I guess a bit of um uh placebo effect 188 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: where you think it exists and you're running sometime and 189 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: you think I feel kind of good and you're like, 190 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm in a flow state. Check me out, 191 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: I'm so high. Could be like that. It also could exist, 192 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: and we just haven't really identified it fully yet. Yeah, 193 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: but what I'm pretty sure is going to happen is 194 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna get get zillion emails from runners that are like, 195 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: don't mock this. It is totally real. I've experienced it first, 196 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: and Hey, I don't care if it is the greatest 197 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: placebo effect of all time. It's still real. If it's 198 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: a placebo, your body is still experiencing the effects of 199 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: whatever it is, from a fake drug to running high. Um, 200 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: you're still experiencing it. So it doesn't matter if it's 201 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: externally objectively real or not. Doesn't matter. Uh. Well, if 202 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: you want to know more about sylopsism or anything like that. 203 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: Join us next time on short stuff. We don't have 204 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: anything else about runners high right, chuck. We don't well, 205 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: and that means everybody that short stuff is GIDIA. Stuff 206 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: you should know is a production of I Heart Radio. 207 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the i heart 208 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 209 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: favorite shows.