WEBVTT - Why Trump is Obsessed with the Autopen

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<v Speaker 1>Cool media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here, the show about things

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<v Speaker 2>falling apart.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing falling apart last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the president's mental health seemingly so, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about that today and some possible ramifications

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<v Speaker 2>that the current president may be trying to exploit to

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<v Speaker 2>help him out. Robert Evans, Hello, how are you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm fine? Is something wrong with the president?

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<v Speaker 3>The current one or the old one?

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<v Speaker 4>Any president ever? Has a president ever done wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>I heard some nasty things about mister Clinton.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting. I woke up today for the first time, so

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<v Speaker 4>this is all new to me.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't look on like the news or the internet

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<v Speaker 2>or anything, and it should be.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's good. I'm just going to start reading Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 4>at the A section and see if I get to

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<v Speaker 4>anything bad about a president.

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<v Speaker 2>So since taking office, Trump is actually sort of been

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<v Speaker 2>going soft on old sleepy Joe, not out of the

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<v Speaker 2>goodness of his own heart, right, but to possibly explore

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<v Speaker 2>legal options to get around some of the roadblocks Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>been facing in the judicial branch.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's been arguing that Biden himself was mostly absent, especially

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<v Speaker 2>during the later half of his presidency, and a sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like secret cabal of cabinet members, DNC consultants, white

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<v Speaker 2>House staff, and aids were running a shadow presidency.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and one of my constant takes is there are

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<v Speaker 4>no secret cabals. There's a lot of cabals. They're all

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<v Speaker 4>very obvious, very public, very public cabals.

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<v Speaker 2>But this secret cabal of like DNC interns, we're using

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's signature via auto pen to set policy, make judicial appointments,

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<v Speaker 2>and sign orders, all with little to zero awareness from

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<v Speaker 2>poor old six b Joe. In fact, people around Biden

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<v Speaker 2>intentionally covered up his declining health to continue using his

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<v Speaker 2>presidential power for their own progressive agenda.

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<v Speaker 4>If only they'd used it for that, and not just

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<v Speaker 4>to keep getting.

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<v Speaker 6>Paychecks or sending bombs to Israel, or sending bombs to

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<v Speaker 6>Israel many of the other, many of the other things

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<v Speaker 6>that Biden seem to preoccupied with. I would have play

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<v Speaker 6>a clip from a month and a half ago Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 6>current president, explaining this conspiracy of the secret Joe Biden cabal.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sure that he didn't know many of the things. Look,

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<v Speaker 7>he was never for open borders, he was never for

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<v Speaker 7>transgender for everybody, he was never for men playing in

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<v Speaker 7>women's sports. I mean he changed, I mean all of

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<v Speaker 7>these things that changed so radically. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 7>had any idea that what was Frankly, I said it

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<v Speaker 7>during the debate and I say it now. He didn't

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<v Speaker 7>have much of an idea what was going on.

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<v Speaker 5>He shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, essentially, whoever used the auto was the president, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That is wrong.

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<v Speaker 7>It's illegal, it's so bad, and it's so disrespectful to

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<v Speaker 7>our country.

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<v Speaker 2>Transgender for everybody. The defining legacy of the Biden era,

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<v Speaker 2>sure is his core policy platform.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, I don't know, Like, what do you even

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<v Speaker 4>say at this point? Right, Like, honestly, he's sending troops

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<v Speaker 4>into the second major city, this one the capital, and

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<v Speaker 4>taking over control of the police force. How much is

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<v Speaker 4>it worth just being like oh and he said another

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<v Speaker 4>thing that's not true, Like I know it's important to

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<v Speaker 4>cover all this, but also like, man, I'm tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, it's it's it's incredibly frustrating because they

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<v Speaker 2>get to deploy these these absurd little lines every once

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<v Speaker 2>in a while and it captures media attention, and the

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<v Speaker 2>physical things that they're doing do not get as much,

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<v Speaker 2>like awareness.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's this constant I think misinterpretation as to like

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<v Speaker 4>this is alid distraction from this and this and this,

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<v Speaker 4>and it does sometimes function that way, but this isn't.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not doing this because it's a distraction. They're doing

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<v Speaker 4>this because they also hate this group of people. When

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<v Speaker 4>I hurt this group of people, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people they want to hurt, and they want to do

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<v Speaker 4>it in different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're kind of playing a longer game with the

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<v Speaker 2>focus on this quote unquote autopen and it remains to

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<v Speaker 2>be seen if it's going to be successful or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pay off for them. But I do want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it now since this is on like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a month, like four of them slowly seeding this into

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<v Speaker 2>popular discourse. It's like a new thing because every once

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<v Speaker 2>in a while they have to decide what the new

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<v Speaker 2>thing is. Right a few years ago, they decided it

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<v Speaker 2>was trans people. They decided it was DEI, they decided

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<v Speaker 2>it was how the twenty twenty lecture was stolen. They

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<v Speaker 2>just decide that there's like some major problem, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they repeat it often enough that it becomes like something

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<v Speaker 2>that seemingly a share of voters actually care about. And

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to make autopen be a thing. And there

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<v Speaker 2>is actual, like possible results of them focusing on this

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<v Speaker 2>as we as we will see. But the autopen fixation

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<v Speaker 2>started this past March when Trump posted a truth on

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<v Speaker 2>truth Social claiming that Biden's preemptive partons of members of

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<v Speaker 2>the January sixth Investigation House Committee are quote hereby declared void, vacant,

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<v Speaker 2>and of no further force of effect because of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they were done by autopen unquote. Great, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not real. This is not this is not like

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<v Speaker 2>a real thing that he can disclaim on on truth Social.

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<v Speaker 4>But what's real?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there is no requirement that pardons even be signed,

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<v Speaker 2>only that they're accepted by a subject. In nineteen twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>the Uslister General concluded in a memo that quotes, neither

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<v Speaker 2>the Constitution nor any statute prescribes the method by which

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<v Speaker 2>executive clemency shall be exercised or evidenced. So he can't

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<v Speaker 2>just do this here. But this was kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>opening of the door for the rest of what we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about this episode. And I guess before

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<v Speaker 2>we get into that, I should talk about what an

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<v Speaker 2>autopen is not a bad one. Is a tool to

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<v Speaker 2>automate the signing of documents by replicating a signature. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is a machine or a type of machine that's

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<v Speaker 2>long been used in the White House, like Thomas Jefferson

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<v Speaker 2>bought and used an early iteration of such a device

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<v Speaker 2>shortly after was patented. In eighteen oh three, Lennon B.

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson's auto pen was photographed in the White House for

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<v Speaker 2>a National Inquiry or recover story titled the Robot that

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<v Speaker 2>Sits in for the President. And it's funny that now

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<v Speaker 2>you get Fox News headlines that are basically written very

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<v Speaker 2>similarly talking about how actually a robot for the autopen

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<v Speaker 2>itself was acting as president. And that's like a controversy,

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<v Speaker 2>okay Versus it was just like a fun news story

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<v Speaker 2>back in the fifties.

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<v Speaker 4>How many of the guys angry about this literally want

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<v Speaker 4>an LLM to be the president? Yes, exactly, that's that's

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<v Speaker 4>my question.

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<v Speaker 2>No, at least at least half, at least half the

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<v Speaker 2>other half don't know what an ll is.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Obama was the first president to openly sign legislation

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<v Speaker 2>with an autopen, including the extension of the Patriot Act

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty eleven while at the G eight summit in France,

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<v Speaker 2>and though the constitutionality of the autopen has never been

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<v Speaker 2>tested or explicitly determined in court, in two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>President George W. Bush asked the Justice Department for its

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<v Speaker 2>opinion on the validity of the autopen for signing legislation

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<v Speaker 2>and other official policy documents. The Office of Legal Council

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<v Speaker 2>found that, quote, the President need not personally perform the

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<v Speaker 2>physical act of fixing his signature to a bill he

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<v Speaker 2>approves and decides to sign in order for the bill

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<v Speaker 2>to become law. Rather, the President may sign a bill

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<v Speaker 2>by directing a subordinate to affix the president's signature to

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<v Speaker 2>such a bill, for example, by autopen unquote, though there

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<v Speaker 2>still is debate whether the President needs to be physically

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<v Speaker 2>present during this process or simply authorized the signing. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you have people like Steven Miller in this

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<v Speaker 2>administration who try to find niche little laws or statutes

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<v Speaker 2>to then apply in a way that it was probably

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<v Speaker 2>never designed or we have since these laws inceptions have

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<v Speaker 2>decided not to use the laws in that way because

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't make sense of our current context. But someone

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<v Speaker 2>like Miller, very willing to do such a thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>there could be, for instance, some obscure aspect or interpretation

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<v Speaker 2>of like proxy signature laws that they could try to

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<v Speaker 2>like force through into their interpretation of like Article one,

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<v Speaker 2>section seven of the Constitution, which might make some auto

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<v Speaker 2>pen signatures invalid. But this is something that's like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of dismissed in a lot of legal circles because as

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<v Speaker 2>like a practical matter, it would be disastrous to start

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<v Speaker 2>rescinding executive actions based on this interpretation because like decades

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<v Speaker 2>and decades of laws and regulations would then fall into

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<v Speaker 2>question and possibly become void. So lots of people just

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of don't think this is like a real

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<v Speaker 2>question or a real concern, and part of me thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that as well. But as like someone like Miller is demonstrated,

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<v Speaker 2>they're absolutely willing to use like niche arguments or precedents

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<v Speaker 2>to do some pretty like crazy stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what is not very crazy?

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<v Speaker 4>Robert paying money to the sponsors of this show.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an extremely reasonable act.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the only sane thing you can do. If you

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<v Speaker 4>do anything else, you are being fifty one to fifty,

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<v Speaker 4>then you'll be on an involuntary seventy two hour. Hold,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the way the law works.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we are back.

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<v Speaker 2>So with this Biden autopen thing, it's not really about

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<v Speaker 2>the autopen. The autopen actually is not the problem here

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<v Speaker 2>kind of at all. That's not what they're really focusing on.

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<v Speaker 2>In early June, the Justice Department launched an investigation into

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's alleged use of the autopen, with the DOJ pardon

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<v Speaker 2>attorney Ed Martin writing in an email that this investigation

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<v Speaker 2>is to determine whether Joe Biden was quote competent and

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<v Speaker 2>whether others were taking advantage of him through use of

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<v Speaker 2>the autopen or other means unquote, with a specific focus

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<v Speaker 2>on the primpt of pardons for members of Biden's family

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<v Speaker 2>and clemency for thirty seven death row inmates whose sentences

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<v Speaker 2>were converted to life prison. So this is the real crux,

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<v Speaker 2>whether Biden was competent and whether people were using the

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<v Speaker 2>autopen without his knowledge. And I think the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>they're starting by focusing on these pardons, whether for January

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<v Speaker 2>sixth investigation committee members or for those close to Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>like this all relates to Trump's campaign promise of like retribution, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you can think of cash Betel's list of deep state

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<v Speaker 2>actors that he wants to investigate like that was such

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<v Speaker 2>a core part of what Trump campaigned on, and he

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<v Speaker 2>does still seem keen on fulfilling parts of that promise.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Ed Martin, the DOJ pardon attorney investigating this autopen debacle, himself,

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<v Speaker 2>has said that the president's pardon power is absolute and

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<v Speaker 2>that using the autopen is quote not necessarily a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that the core part here is that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about the autopen itself. It's about this secret

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<v Speaker 2>cabal who are using the autopen without Biden's knowledge. So

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<v Speaker 2>a few days after this investigation was announced, White House

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<v Speaker 2>released a public memo from Trump entitled reviewing Certain Presidential Actions,

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<v Speaker 2>which ordered the Attorney General and the White House Council

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<v Speaker 2>to investigate quote whether certain individuals conspired to deceive the

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<v Speaker 2>public about Biden's mental state and unconstitutionally exercise to the

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<v Speaker 2>authorities and responsibilities of the president. And this document reads

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<v Speaker 2>like something I would read on like a conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 2>website five years ago. It's written in a very similar style.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>President Biden's aides abused the power of presidential signatures through

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<v Speaker 2>the use of an auto pen to conceal Biden's cognitive

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<v Speaker 2>decline and assert article to authority. This conspiracy marks one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most dangerous and concerning scandals in American history.

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<v Speaker 2>The American public was purposely shielded from discovering who wielded

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<v Speaker 2>the executive power, all while Biden's signature was deployed across

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of documents to affect radical policy shifts. Unquote. The

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<v Speaker 2>memo states that Biden's advisors quot unquote tried to hide

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<v Speaker 2>the true extent of his mental decline to quote cover

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<v Speaker 2>up his inability to discharge his duties. The investigation specifically

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<v Speaker 2>wants to look into which policy documents were signed via

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<v Speaker 2>auto pen and who ordered the President's signature to be

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<v Speaker 2>a fixed to said documents. One other quote from the

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<v Speaker 2>memo quote the White House issued over twelve hundred presidential documents,

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<v Speaker 2>appointed two hundred and thirty five judges to the federal bench,

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<v Speaker 2>and issued more pardons and commutations than any administration in

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<v Speaker 2>United States history. Although the authority to take these executive actions,

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<v Speaker 2>along with many others, is constitutionally committed to the president,

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<v Speaker 2>there are serious doubts as to the decision making process

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<v Speaker 2>and even the degree of Biden's awareness of these actions

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<v Speaker 2>being taken in his name, given clear indications that President

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<v Speaker 2>Biden lacked the capacity to exercise its presidential authority, if

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<v Speaker 2>his advisors secretly used the mechanical signature pen to conceal

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<v Speaker 2>this incapacity while taking radical executive actions all in his name,

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<v Speaker 2>that would constitute and unconstitutional wielding of the power of

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<v Speaker 2>the presidency, a circumstance that would have implications for the

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<v Speaker 2>legality and validity of numerous executive actions undertaken in Biden's

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<v Speaker 2>name unquote. So though the two thousand and five Bush

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<v Speaker 2>DOJ memo does support the use of the autopen to

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<v Speaker 2>a fix the president's signature, obviously it still must be

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<v Speaker 2>the president who decides to sign a document, with the

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<v Speaker 2>Office of Legal Counsel, memo state in quote, we do

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<v Speaker 2>not question the substantial authority supporting the view that the

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<v Speaker 2>president must personally decide whether to approve and sign bills.

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<v Speaker 2>This is pretty obvious, and that's why so much of

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<v Speaker 2>the autopen investigations are around Biden's deteriorating mental state and

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<v Speaker 2>not the autopen itself. It's about trying to prove whether

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<v Speaker 2>Biden was either not mentally capable of sufficiently authorizing a

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<v Speaker 2>signature to be affixed to certain documents, or was just

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<v Speaker 2>completely unaware that the autopen was signing certain documents with

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<v Speaker 2>White House advisors specifically covering up Biden's mental decline to

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<v Speaker 2>take advantage of his compromise date to personally direct policy.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what the investigations are going to try to prove.

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<v Speaker 2>The White House is already making repeated assertions that this

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<v Speaker 2>was the case, and this question may be finally settled

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<v Speaker 2>in a Trump sympathetic court, and Republicans are currently trying

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<v Speaker 2>every angle of attack on this. Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>has started a Senate investigation and a House Oversight Committee

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<v Speaker 2>investigation is already up and running. The past month, Kentucky

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<v Speaker 2>Republican James Comer has been subpoena ing Biden admin officials

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<v Speaker 2>to testify on the use of the auto pen and

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's mental faculties while in office. Comer's own letters and

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<v Speaker 2>subpoenas for this investigation have been signed with a digital signature,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is such a common practice in Washington and

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<v Speaker 2>like all over the country. Now, try to think of

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<v Speaker 2>all the official documents you sign on your computer, right yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>metadata from a subpoena cover letter sent to former Senior

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<v Speaker 2>adviser to the First Lady, Anthony Bernal showed the document

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<v Speaker 2>was authored and signed by someone named Benzene, an Oversight

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<v Speaker 2>Committee staffer, not James Comer, because again, this is pretty regular,

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<v Speaker 2>so even the investigators are doing this process themselves while

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<v Speaker 2>doing the investigation. Part of the reason why the Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to make this a continuing story and not

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<v Speaker 2>just about, you know, the pardons, is because as like

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<v Speaker 2>Biden appointee judges began blocking Trump's executive orders, the focus

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<v Speaker 2>on the auto pen turned from just pardons towards use

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<v Speaker 2>of the autopen to nominate federal judges. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>where things get a lot more slippery. Last month, Fox

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<v Speaker 2>News asked House Overside Committee Chairman James Comer if not

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<v Speaker 2>just pardons may be found to be null and void

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<v Speaker 2>because of the results of this investigation, but possibly also

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<v Speaker 2>judicial appointments.

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<v Speaker 8>Biden made two hundred and twenty eight judicial appointments, including

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<v Speaker 8>forty five Appeals court and one hundred and eighty seven

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<v Speaker 8>District court judges, and most importantly, Biden appointed Justice Kachanji

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<v Speaker 8>Brown Jackson. The Court's most long winded justice who couldn't

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<v Speaker 8>even define what a woman is. Mister Chairman, you mentioned

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<v Speaker 8>that you're looking at some of the pardons that were

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<v Speaker 8>done under President Biden and the use of the autopen

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<v Speaker 8>doctor Fauci being one of them, talking about whether they

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<v Speaker 8>were legitimate or not. Are you also looking into Biden's

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<v Speaker 8>judicial appointments as.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, Absolutely everything that was signed with the autopan, especially

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<v Speaker 9>in the last year of the Biden presidency. This is

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<v Speaker 9>when all the books that are being written, all the

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<v Speaker 9>tell all interviews that are being recorded from his former

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<v Speaker 9>disgruntled staffers and staffords who are trying to preserve the

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<v Speaker 9>reputation for future employment. They're all saying that Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 9>was in a deep mental decline and that he was

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<v Speaker 9>protected by a very small inner circle. We brought a

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<v Speaker 9>few of those people on the inner circle and ask

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<v Speaker 9>them simple questions like were you ever told to lie

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<v Speaker 9>about the President's health? And they couldn't answer that question

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<v Speaker 9>that had to plead the fifth to avoid self incrimination.

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<v Speaker 9>This raises an issue whether these pardons, whether these judicial appointments,

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<v Speaker 9>and whether these executive orders are legal. I believe that

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<v Speaker 9>if this investigation keeps going in the way that it's going.

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<v Speaker 9>That's going to a very serious concerns about whether or

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<v Speaker 9>not Joe Biden even you what was going on around him,

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<v Speaker 9>much less whether he authorized the use of his signature

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<v Speaker 9>on all of this stuff. I think all of these

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<v Speaker 9>are in jeopardy of being declared null and void in

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<v Speaker 9>a court of law. And that's a big deal for

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<v Speaker 9>the Trump administration because so much of what Trump is

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<v Speaker 9>up against in court now with these liberal biased Biden

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<v Speaker 9>appointed judges is the fact that they're using and citing

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<v Speaker 9>some of these executive orders as reason to throw out

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<v Speaker 9>President Trump's agenda and President Trump's executive orders. So they

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<v Speaker 9>tried to Trump proof the administration on the way out

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<v Speaker 9>the door. And the problem they got now is the

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<v Speaker 9>American people realize that Joe Biden wasn't the one calling

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<v Speaker 9>the shots, and he may very well have not even

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<v Speaker 9>been mentally fit to make decisions to authorize the use

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<v Speaker 9>of his autopinion, if he even authorized it. So this

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<v Speaker 9>is going to play out in a court of law.

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<v Speaker 9>I think our investigation is going to be a substantial

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<v Speaker 9>part of evidence in it, and that's why we're doing

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<v Speaker 9>the investigation.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's that's the rub right there. That's exactly what

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<v Speaker 4>they want, right is to completely peel back the last

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<v Speaker 4>administration or two of judges and make it just be

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<v Speaker 4>all their people, a whole justice system that they completely control.

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<v Speaker 2>If they could recall like two hundred and thirty federal judges, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and fill in two hundred and thirty more like Trump

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<v Speaker 2>appointed judges, that would clear out so much of the

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<v Speaker 2>legal roadblocks that they're currently fac there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the real crux of their focus on

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<v Speaker 2>this issue. That's why they're trying to like insert this

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<v Speaker 2>into real and they're throwing this autopen story like everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the Epstein files, which don't exist, were concocted by

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<v Speaker 2>the ever suspicious Autopen.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion.

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<v Speaker 5>I can say this, Those files were run by the

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<v Speaker 5>worst come on earth. They were run by Komi, they

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<v Speaker 5>were run by Garland, they were run by Biden and

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<v Speaker 5>all of the people that actually ran the government, including

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<v Speaker 5>the Autopen.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever the current big news story is, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to shove the Autopen in there because that's how

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<v Speaker 2>they operate, that's how they craft reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we are back.

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<v Speaker 2>So, needless to say, Biden and his advisors have denied

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<v Speaker 2>all of this. And it's a little tricky because part

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<v Speaker 2>of what this story slightly compelling for Trump's team is

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<v Speaker 2>that obviously Biden's mental health was in decline for the

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<v Speaker 2>past few years of his presidency.

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<v Speaker 3>We all saw that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>That is like a accepted part of our country's history. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we all saw the debate, and so much of their

0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:21.240
<v Speaker 2>argument for this is resting on how much everyone understands

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<v Speaker 2>that you have a whole bunch of former White House

0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.320
<v Speaker 2>staff writing books on this topic now. So with that

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<v Speaker 2>aspect in mind, they still have to defend the use

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<v Speaker 2>of the autopen and Biden's competency and awareness of all

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<v Speaker 2>of the decisions being made to do this. Last month,

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<v Speaker 2>had his first interview with The New York Times since

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty twenty one, where he discussed how he gave

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<v Speaker 2>oral authorization for all of the pardons with the autopen

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<v Speaker 2>operation specifically being managed by the Staff Secretary Stephene Feldman.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, quote, I made every decision. Biden said that

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<v Speaker 2>the White House used the autopen specifically for the last

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<v Speaker 2>batch of pardons. Biden said that they used the autopen

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<v Speaker 2>because of the high number of pardon warrants issued totaling

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<v Speaker 2>around four thousand, which affected three categories of federal convicts,

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<v Speaker 2>people serving home confinement, non violent drug offenders, and people

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<v Speaker 2>on death row. He did not choose or prove like

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<v Speaker 2>every single name on that list, but claims to have

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<v Speaker 2>determined the criteria and categories, saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote, I was deeply involved.

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<v Speaker 2>I laid out a strategy how I want to go

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<v Speaker 2>about these dealing with pardons and commutations. I pulled the

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<v Speaker 2>team in to say this is how I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get it done generically and then specifically unquote. In preparation

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<v Speaker 2>for the final months of the Biden presidency, his White

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<v Speaker 2>House counsel wrote an email to staff in November of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, laying with the process for reviewing pardons,

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<v Speaker 2>the last step being quote the President makes the final

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<v Speaker 2>decision on the final pardon and or the commutation slate unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, around a dozen people have been subpoenaed

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<v Speaker 2>and are giving testimony, and the investigation is looking through

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<v Speaker 2>emails from the time, specifically starting with these pardons, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the only way they have to like

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<v Speaker 2>investigate this right now, it's easier to investigate the pardons

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.399
<v Speaker 2>from the last three months the presidency than just all

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<v Speaker 2>of the documents assigned over the course of like four years,

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<v Speaker 2>or even just two years if you look at like

0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.880
<v Speaker 2>the past two years of his presidency. So specifically, they're

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on the final pardons as like a way in

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out the process for how the auto pen

0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.080
<v Speaker 2>was functioning and who was using it, and they may

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<v Speaker 2>try to extend that process out to things like judicial

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<v Speaker 2>appointments over time. I think trying to rescind the appointment

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<v Speaker 2>of someone like a Supreme Court justice very unlikely because

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Biden had awareness that that was going on. But

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<v Speaker 2>they might try to pull more fucky shit with the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, circuit court appointments or that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this is like the most important story

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<v Speaker 2>facing the country right now. Obviously, the stuff going on

0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.760
<v Speaker 2>in Washington, d C. And many other aspects of how

0:22:56.760 --> 0:23:00.600
<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration is operating with Ice and with trans

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:05.440
<v Speaker 2>people affects people more immediately. But I've been specifically trying

0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:09.160
<v Speaker 2>to pull information on how they're crafting this narrative around

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the autopan ever since he made that first truth back

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.119
<v Speaker 2>in March, because I saw this as a ongoing reality

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 2>crafting project which might accumulate in something actually meaningful over time.

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<v Speaker 2>And none of these investigations have released their findings yet,

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.680
<v Speaker 2>and they're not expected to for at least a few

0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.600
<v Speaker 2>more weeks to months, But it's something that I think

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:33.200
<v Speaker 2>is worth keeping an eye on right now, especially considering

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, Miller and others and like the Heritage Foundations,

0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 2>focus on trying to find niche loopholes in which executive

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 2>power can be really exercised. And if one of the

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 2>ways to remove some of the roadblocks towards this president's

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 2>executive power is to undermine the executive power of a

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 2>previous administration, it would be the first time we see

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:58.160
<v Speaker 2>that strategy actually enacted. And it sounds like kind of cartoonish,

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.720
<v Speaker 2>but that's so much of what they're currently doing is

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 2>pushing everything to that extreme, trying to test all of

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.199
<v Speaker 2>these more niche theories that you see people talking about

0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:11.200
<v Speaker 2>in the past, Like around twenty eleven, when Obama first

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<v Speaker 2>signed legislation with the autopen you had a whole bunch

0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 2>of libertarians complaining that this is unconstitutional because he wasn't

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 2>physically present when the document was being signed, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you have like think pieces on that at the time

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<v Speaker 2>that then kind of get memory hold, and now you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to see some of those justifications back again and

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<v Speaker 2>actually try to test them out in court, especially if

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>you have a Justice Department investigation, you have an Attorney

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 2>General investigation, of a cent an investigation, and a House investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>If one of those can stumble onto or develop or

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<v Speaker 2>invent some compelling argument, we will actually see versions of

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<v Speaker 2>this complaint be tested in a way that we never

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<v Speaker 2>have before, because it would be like disastrous to the

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 2>functional aspect of this state if you determined that all

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.359
<v Speaker 2>presidential documents signed the autopen are not bad and unless

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<v Speaker 2>presidents in the room, that would be a massive domino

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 2>tipping over which you know, most reasonable people who work

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 2>in government, like elder statesmen, are not gonna want to

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<v Speaker 2>do that because that sounds like a fucking nightmare, like

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<v Speaker 2>legally speaking, and it would be like disastrous, like it

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>would destroy some fundamental aspects of the government. But right now,

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.720
<v Speaker 2>destroying aspects of government is kind of the point. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw with Doge. That's what we saw during

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<v Speaker 2>the first few months of the presidency. Using this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of tech startup thought process behind running a government. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to break things first so that you can rebuild

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<v Speaker 2>it in a way that suits you better. And if

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<v Speaker 2>that means stripping away two hundred federal judges to put

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<v Speaker 2>in two hundred of your own, that would have massive

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<v Speaker 2>benefits for them. And I think that's part of why

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<v Speaker 2>they're having this focus right now. Oh yeah, that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of all.

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<v Speaker 3>I have on that. So once you have some some

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<v Speaker 3>some closing thoughts.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean, of course, this is the game as

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<v Speaker 4>laid out in not just Project twenty twenty five, but

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<v Speaker 4>what the right has been talking about my entire life. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>none of this should be surprising if you've been paying attention.

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<v Speaker 4>The only reason why some people are surprised is that

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<v Speaker 4>there's folks in the democratic hierarchy who have been saying

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<v Speaker 4>for years, this isn't really what conservatives want. This is

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<v Speaker 4>just a fringe, right.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no fringe anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>They'll never actually do this. They can't do this, the

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<v Speaker 4>system doesn't work that way. There's just been this belief

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<v Speaker 4>that this can't happen, right, it can't happen, or that

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<v Speaker 4>like if it did, obviously you know the cops will

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<v Speaker 4>stop them. The FBI will stop them, the army will

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<v Speaker 4>stop them. And there's a reason why they've went out

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<v Speaker 4>of their way to gain control of all of those

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<v Speaker 4>organizations before doing this. So yeah, I mean you cannot.

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<v Speaker 4>We either pretend that someone's going to stop them and

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<v Speaker 4>you don't have to worry about it, or just accept

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<v Speaker 4>that we are where we are and there may be

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<v Speaker 4>some unprecedented things that need to be done. Yep, that's

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<v Speaker 4>all I'll say. Legally, that's all I should say.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the episode. Bye bye everyone, Okay, cool.

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