1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Cool media. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: This is it could happen here, the show about things 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: falling apart. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 3: One thing falling apart last year. 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: I guess the president's mental health seemingly so, and we're 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: going to talk about that today and some possible ramifications 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 2: that the current president may be trying to exploit to 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: help him out. Robert Evans, Hello, how are you? 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 4: I'm fine? Is something wrong with the president? 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: The current one or the old one? 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 4: Any president ever? Has a president ever done wrong? 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 3: I heard some nasty things about mister Clinton. 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 4: Interesting. I woke up today for the first time, so 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 4: this is all new to me. 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: Just don't look on like the news or the internet 17 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: or anything, and it should be. 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 4: Okay, that's good. I'm just going to start reading Wikipedia 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 4: at the A section and see if I get to 20 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 4: anything bad about a president. 21 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: So since taking office, Trump is actually sort of been 22 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: going soft on old sleepy Joe, not out of the 23 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: goodness of his own heart, right, but to possibly explore 24 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: legal options to get around some of the roadblocks Trump's 25 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: been facing in the judicial branch. 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense. 27 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: Trump's been arguing that Biden himself was mostly absent, especially 28 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: during the later half of his presidency, and a sort 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: of like secret cabal of cabinet members, DNC consultants, white 30 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: House staff, and aids were running a shadow presidency. 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and one of my constant takes is there are 32 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 4: no secret cabals. There's a lot of cabals. They're all 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 4: very obvious, very public, very public cabals. 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: But this secret cabal of like DNC interns, we're using 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: Biden's signature via auto pen to set policy, make judicial appointments, 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: and sign orders, all with little to zero awareness from 37 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: poor old six b Joe. In fact, people around Biden 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: intentionally covered up his declining health to continue using his 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: presidential power for their own progressive agenda. 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: If only they'd used it for that, and not just 41 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 4: to keep getting. 42 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 6: Paychecks or sending bombs to Israel, or sending bombs to 43 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 6: Israel many of the other, many of the other things 44 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 6: that Biden seem to preoccupied with. I would have play 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 6: a clip from a month and a half ago Donald Trump, 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 6: current president, explaining this conspiracy of the secret Joe Biden cabal. 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 7: I'm sure that he didn't know many of the things. Look, 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 7: he was never for open borders, he was never for 49 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 7: transgender for everybody, he was never for men playing in 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 7: women's sports. I mean he changed, I mean all of 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 7: these things that changed so radically. I don't think he 52 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 7: had any idea that what was Frankly, I said it 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 7: during the debate and I say it now. He didn't 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 7: have much of an idea what was going on. 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 5: He shouldn't be. 56 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 7: I mean, essentially, whoever used the auto was the president, and. 57 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: That is wrong. 58 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 7: It's illegal, it's so bad, and it's so disrespectful to 59 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 7: our country. 60 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 2: Transgender for everybody. The defining legacy of the Biden era, 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: sure is his core policy platform. 62 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I don't know, Like, what do you even 63 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 4: say at this point? Right, Like, honestly, he's sending troops 64 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 4: into the second major city, this one the capital, and 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 4: taking over control of the police force. How much is 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: it worth just being like oh and he said another 67 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 4: thing that's not true, Like I know it's important to 68 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: cover all this, but also like, man, I'm tired. 69 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it's it's it's incredibly frustrating because they 70 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: get to deploy these these absurd little lines every once 71 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: in a while and it captures media attention, and the 72 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: physical things that they're doing do not get as much, 73 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: like awareness. 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: And there's this constant I think misinterpretation as to like 75 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: this is alid distraction from this and this and this, 76 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: and it does sometimes function that way, but this isn't. 77 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 4: They're not doing this because it's a distraction. They're doing 78 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: this because they also hate this group of people. When 79 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 4: I hurt this group of people, there's a lot of 80 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 4: people they want to hurt, and they want to do 81 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: it in different ways. 82 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: And they're kind of playing a longer game with the 83 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: focus on this quote unquote autopen and it remains to 84 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: be seen if it's going to be successful or you know, 85 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: pay off for them. But I do want to talk 86 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: about it now since this is on like you know, 87 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: a month, like four of them slowly seeding this into 88 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: popular discourse. It's like a new thing because every once 89 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: in a while they have to decide what the new 90 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: thing is. Right a few years ago, they decided it 91 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 2: was trans people. They decided it was DEI, they decided 92 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: it was how the twenty twenty lecture was stolen. They 93 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: just decide that there's like some major problem, and then 94 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: they repeat it often enough that it becomes like something 95 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: that seemingly a share of voters actually care about. And 96 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: they're trying to make autopen be a thing. And there 97 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: is actual, like possible results of them focusing on this 98 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: as we as we will see. But the autopen fixation 99 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: started this past March when Trump posted a truth on 100 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: truth Social claiming that Biden's preemptive partons of members of 101 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: the January sixth Investigation House Committee are quote hereby declared void, vacant, 102 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: and of no further force of effect because of the 103 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: fact that they were done by autopen unquote. Great, this 104 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: is not real. This is not this is not like 105 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: a real thing that he can disclaim on on truth Social. 106 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 4: But what's real? 107 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 2: You know, there is no requirement that pardons even be signed, 108 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: only that they're accepted by a subject. In nineteen twenty nine, 109 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: the Uslister General concluded in a memo that quotes, neither 110 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 2: the Constitution nor any statute prescribes the method by which 111 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: executive clemency shall be exercised or evidenced. So he can't 112 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: just do this here. But this was kind of the 113 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: opening of the door for the rest of what we're 114 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 2: going to talk about this episode. And I guess before 115 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: we get into that, I should talk about what an 116 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: autopen is not a bad one. Is a tool to 117 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: automate the signing of documents by replicating a signature. And 118 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: this is a machine or a type of machine that's 119 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: long been used in the White House, like Thomas Jefferson 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: bought and used an early iteration of such a device 121 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: shortly after was patented. In eighteen oh three, Lennon B. 122 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: Johnson's auto pen was photographed in the White House for 123 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 2: a National Inquiry or recover story titled the Robot that 124 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: Sits in for the President. And it's funny that now 125 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: you get Fox News headlines that are basically written very 126 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: similarly talking about how actually a robot for the autopen 127 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: itself was acting as president. And that's like a controversy, 128 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: okay Versus it was just like a fun news story 129 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: back in the fifties. 130 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 4: How many of the guys angry about this literally want 131 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 4: an LLM to be the president? Yes, exactly, that's that's 132 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 4: my question. 133 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 2: No, at least at least half, at least half the 134 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: other half don't know what an ll is. 135 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: No. 136 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: Now, Obama was the first president to openly sign legislation 137 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: with an autopen, including the extension of the Patriot Act 138 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 2: in twenty eleven while at the G eight summit in France, 139 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: and though the constitutionality of the autopen has never been 140 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: tested or explicitly determined in court, in two thousand and five, 141 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: President George W. Bush asked the Justice Department for its 142 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: opinion on the validity of the autopen for signing legislation 143 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: and other official policy documents. The Office of Legal Council 144 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: found that, quote, the President need not personally perform the 145 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: physical act of fixing his signature to a bill he 146 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: approves and decides to sign in order for the bill 147 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: to become law. Rather, the President may sign a bill 148 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: by directing a subordinate to affix the president's signature to 149 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: such a bill, for example, by autopen unquote, though there 150 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: still is debate whether the President needs to be physically 151 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: present during this process or simply authorized the signing. And 152 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: you know, you have people like Steven Miller in this 153 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: administration who try to find niche little laws or statutes 154 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: to then apply in a way that it was probably 155 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: never designed or we have since these laws inceptions have 156 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: decided not to use the laws in that way because 157 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense of our current context. But someone 158 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: like Miller, very willing to do such a thing, and 159 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: there could be, for instance, some obscure aspect or interpretation 160 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: of like proxy signature laws that they could try to 161 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: like force through into their interpretation of like Article one, 162 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: section seven of the Constitution, which might make some auto 163 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: pen signatures invalid. But this is something that's like kind 164 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: of dismissed in a lot of legal circles because as 165 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: like a practical matter, it would be disastrous to start 166 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: rescinding executive actions based on this interpretation because like decades 167 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: and decades of laws and regulations would then fall into 168 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: question and possibly become void. So lots of people just 169 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: like kind of don't think this is like a real 170 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 2: question or a real concern, and part of me thinks 171 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: that as well. But as like someone like Miller is demonstrated, 172 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: they're absolutely willing to use like niche arguments or precedents 173 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: to do some pretty like crazy stuff. 174 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 3: Do you know what is not very crazy? 175 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: Robert paying money to the sponsors of this show. 176 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 3: It's an extremely reasonable act. 177 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 4: It's the only sane thing you can do. If you 178 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: do anything else, you are being fifty one to fifty, 179 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 4: then you'll be on an involuntary seventy two hour. Hold, 180 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 4: that's the way the law works. 181 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: All right, we are back. 182 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 2: So with this Biden autopen thing, it's not really about 183 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: the autopen. The autopen actually is not the problem here 184 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: kind of at all. That's not what they're really focusing on. 185 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 2: In early June, the Justice Department launched an investigation into 186 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: Biden's alleged use of the autopen, with the DOJ pardon 187 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: attorney Ed Martin writing in an email that this investigation 188 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: is to determine whether Joe Biden was quote competent and 189 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: whether others were taking advantage of him through use of 190 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: the autopen or other means unquote, with a specific focus 191 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: on the primpt of pardons for members of Biden's family 192 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: and clemency for thirty seven death row inmates whose sentences 193 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: were converted to life prison. So this is the real crux, 194 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: whether Biden was competent and whether people were using the 195 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: autopen without his knowledge. And I think the reason why 196 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: they're starting by focusing on these pardons, whether for January 197 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: sixth investigation committee members or for those close to Biden, 198 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: like this all relates to Trump's campaign promise of like retribution, right, 199 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: you can think of cash Betel's list of deep state 200 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: actors that he wants to investigate like that was such 201 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: a core part of what Trump campaigned on, and he 202 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: does still seem keen on fulfilling parts of that promise. 203 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: Now Ed Martin, the DOJ pardon attorney investigating this autopen debacle, himself, 204 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: has said that the president's pardon power is absolute and 205 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: that using the autopen is quote not necessarily a problem. 206 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 2: But I think that the core part here is that 207 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: it's not about the autopen itself. It's about this secret 208 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: cabal who are using the autopen without Biden's knowledge. So 209 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: a few days after this investigation was announced, White House 210 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: released a public memo from Trump entitled reviewing Certain Presidential Actions, 211 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: which ordered the Attorney General and the White House Council 212 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: to investigate quote whether certain individuals conspired to deceive the 213 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: public about Biden's mental state and unconstitutionally exercise to the 214 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: authorities and responsibilities of the president. And this document reads 215 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: like something I would read on like a conspiracy theory 216 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: website five years ago. It's written in a very similar style. 217 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 3: Quote. 218 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: President Biden's aides abused the power of presidential signatures through 219 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: the use of an auto pen to conceal Biden's cognitive 220 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: decline and assert article to authority. This conspiracy marks one 221 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: of the most dangerous and concerning scandals in American history. 222 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: The American public was purposely shielded from discovering who wielded 223 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: the executive power, all while Biden's signature was deployed across 224 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: thousands of documents to affect radical policy shifts. Unquote. The 225 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: memo states that Biden's advisors quot unquote tried to hide 226 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: the true extent of his mental decline to quote cover 227 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: up his inability to discharge his duties. The investigation specifically 228 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: wants to look into which policy documents were signed via 229 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: auto pen and who ordered the President's signature to be 230 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: a fixed to said documents. One other quote from the 231 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: memo quote the White House issued over twelve hundred presidential documents, 232 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: appointed two hundred and thirty five judges to the federal bench, 233 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: and issued more pardons and commutations than any administration in 234 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: United States history. Although the authority to take these executive actions, 235 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: along with many others, is constitutionally committed to the president, 236 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: there are serious doubts as to the decision making process 237 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: and even the degree of Biden's awareness of these actions 238 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: being taken in his name, given clear indications that President 239 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: Biden lacked the capacity to exercise its presidential authority, if 240 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: his advisors secretly used the mechanical signature pen to conceal 241 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: this incapacity while taking radical executive actions all in his name, 242 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: that would constitute and unconstitutional wielding of the power of 243 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: the presidency, a circumstance that would have implications for the 244 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: legality and validity of numerous executive actions undertaken in Biden's 245 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: name unquote. So though the two thousand and five Bush 246 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: DOJ memo does support the use of the autopen to 247 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: a fix the president's signature, obviously it still must be 248 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: the president who decides to sign a document, with the 249 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: Office of Legal Counsel, memo state in quote, we do 250 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: not question the substantial authority supporting the view that the 251 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 2: president must personally decide whether to approve and sign bills. 252 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: This is pretty obvious, and that's why so much of 253 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: the autopen investigations are around Biden's deteriorating mental state and 254 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: not the autopen itself. It's about trying to prove whether 255 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: Biden was either not mentally capable of sufficiently authorizing a 256 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: signature to be affixed to certain documents, or was just 257 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: completely unaware that the autopen was signing certain documents with 258 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: White House advisors specifically covering up Biden's mental decline to 259 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 2: take advantage of his compromise date to personally direct policy. 260 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: And that's what the investigations are going to try to prove. 261 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: The White House is already making repeated assertions that this 262 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: was the case, and this question may be finally settled 263 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: in a Trump sympathetic court, and Republicans are currently trying 264 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: every angle of attack on this. Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson 265 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: has started a Senate investigation and a House Oversight Committee 266 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: investigation is already up and running. The past month, Kentucky 267 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: Republican James Comer has been subpoena ing Biden admin officials 268 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: to testify on the use of the auto pen and 269 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: Biden's mental faculties while in office. Comer's own letters and 270 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: subpoenas for this investigation have been signed with a digital signature, 271 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: because this is such a common practice in Washington and 272 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: like all over the country. Now, try to think of 273 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: all the official documents you sign on your computer, right yeah. Now, 274 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: metadata from a subpoena cover letter sent to former Senior 275 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: adviser to the First Lady, Anthony Bernal showed the document 276 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: was authored and signed by someone named Benzene, an Oversight 277 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: Committee staffer, not James Comer, because again, this is pretty regular, 278 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: so even the investigators are doing this process themselves while 279 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: doing the investigation. Part of the reason why the Republicans 280 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: are trying to make this a continuing story and not 281 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: just about, you know, the pardons, is because as like 282 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: Biden appointee judges began blocking Trump's executive orders, the focus 283 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: on the auto pen turned from just pardons towards use 284 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: of the autopen to nominate federal judges. And this is 285 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: where things get a lot more slippery. Last month, Fox 286 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: News asked House Overside Committee Chairman James Comer if not 287 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: just pardons may be found to be null and void 288 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: because of the results of this investigation, but possibly also 289 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: judicial appointments. 290 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 8: Biden made two hundred and twenty eight judicial appointments, including 291 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 8: forty five Appeals court and one hundred and eighty seven 292 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 8: District court judges, and most importantly, Biden appointed Justice Kachanji 293 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 8: Brown Jackson. The Court's most long winded justice who couldn't 294 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 8: even define what a woman is. Mister Chairman, you mentioned 295 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 8: that you're looking at some of the pardons that were 296 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 8: done under President Biden and the use of the autopen 297 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 8: doctor Fauci being one of them, talking about whether they 298 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 8: were legitimate or not. Are you also looking into Biden's 299 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 8: judicial appointments as. 300 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 9: Well, Absolutely everything that was signed with the autopan, especially 301 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 9: in the last year of the Biden presidency. This is 302 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 9: when all the books that are being written, all the 303 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 9: tell all interviews that are being recorded from his former 304 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 9: disgruntled staffers and staffords who are trying to preserve the 305 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 9: reputation for future employment. They're all saying that Joe Biden 306 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 9: was in a deep mental decline and that he was 307 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 9: protected by a very small inner circle. We brought a 308 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 9: few of those people on the inner circle and ask 309 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 9: them simple questions like were you ever told to lie 310 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 9: about the President's health? And they couldn't answer that question 311 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 9: that had to plead the fifth to avoid self incrimination. 312 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 9: This raises an issue whether these pardons, whether these judicial appointments, 313 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 9: and whether these executive orders are legal. I believe that 314 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 9: if this investigation keeps going in the way that it's going. 315 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 9: That's going to a very serious concerns about whether or 316 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 9: not Joe Biden even you what was going on around him, 317 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 9: much less whether he authorized the use of his signature 318 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 9: on all of this stuff. I think all of these 319 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 9: are in jeopardy of being declared null and void in 320 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 9: a court of law. And that's a big deal for 321 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 9: the Trump administration because so much of what Trump is 322 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 9: up against in court now with these liberal biased Biden 323 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 9: appointed judges is the fact that they're using and citing 324 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 9: some of these executive orders as reason to throw out 325 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 9: President Trump's agenda and President Trump's executive orders. So they 326 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 9: tried to Trump proof the administration on the way out 327 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 9: the door. And the problem they got now is the 328 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 9: American people realize that Joe Biden wasn't the one calling 329 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 9: the shots, and he may very well have not even 330 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 9: been mentally fit to make decisions to authorize the use 331 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 9: of his autopinion, if he even authorized it. So this 332 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 9: is going to play out in a court of law. 333 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 9: I think our investigation is going to be a substantial 334 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 9: part of evidence in it, and that's why we're doing 335 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 9: the investigation. 336 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the rub right there. That's exactly what 337 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 4: they want, right is to completely peel back the last 338 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 4: administration or two of judges and make it just be 339 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 4: all their people, a whole justice system that they completely control. 340 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: If they could recall like two hundred and thirty federal judges, yeah, 341 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: and fill in two hundred and thirty more like Trump 342 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 2: appointed judges, that would clear out so much of the 343 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: legal roadblocks that they're currently fac there. 344 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 4: Yep. 345 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 2: And that is the real crux of their focus on 346 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: this issue. That's why they're trying to like insert this 347 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: into real and they're throwing this autopen story like everywhere. 348 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: Even the Epstein files, which don't exist, were concocted by 349 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: the ever suspicious Autopen. 350 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 5: It's a hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion. 351 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 5: I can say this, Those files were run by the 352 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 5: worst come on earth. They were run by Komi, they 353 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 5: were run by Garland, they were run by Biden and 354 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 5: all of the people that actually ran the government, including 355 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 5: the Autopen. 356 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: Whatever the current big news story is, they're going to 357 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: try to shove the Autopen in there because that's how 358 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: they operate, that's how they craft reality. 359 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 3: Okay, we are back. 360 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: So, needless to say, Biden and his advisors have denied 361 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: all of this. And it's a little tricky because part 362 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 2: of what this story slightly compelling for Trump's team is 363 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: that obviously Biden's mental health was in decline for the 364 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: past few years of his presidency. 365 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 3: We all saw that happen. 366 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: That is like a accepted part of our country's history. Now, 367 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: we all saw the debate, and so much of their 368 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: argument for this is resting on how much everyone understands 369 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: that you have a whole bunch of former White House 370 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: staff writing books on this topic now. So with that 371 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: aspect in mind, they still have to defend the use 372 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: of the autopen and Biden's competency and awareness of all 373 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: of the decisions being made to do this. Last month, 374 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: had his first interview with The New York Times since 375 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: like twenty twenty one, where he discussed how he gave 376 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: oral authorization for all of the pardons with the autopen 377 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: operation specifically being managed by the Staff Secretary Stephene Feldman. 378 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: He said, quote, I made every decision. Biden said that 379 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: the White House used the autopen specifically for the last 380 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 2: batch of pardons. Biden said that they used the autopen 381 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: because of the high number of pardon warrants issued totaling 382 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: around four thousand, which affected three categories of federal convicts, 383 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 2: people serving home confinement, non violent drug offenders, and people 384 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: on death row. He did not choose or prove like 385 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: every single name on that list, but claims to have 386 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 2: determined the criteria and categories, saying. 387 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 3: Quote, I was deeply involved. 388 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: I laid out a strategy how I want to go 389 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: about these dealing with pardons and commutations. I pulled the 390 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: team in to say this is how I want to 391 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: get it done generically and then specifically unquote. In preparation 392 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: for the final months of the Biden presidency, his White 393 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: House counsel wrote an email to staff in November of 394 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, laying with the process for reviewing pardons, 395 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: the last step being quote the President makes the final 396 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: decision on the final pardon and or the commutation slate unquote. 397 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: At this point, around a dozen people have been subpoenaed 398 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: and are giving testimony, and the investigation is looking through 399 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: emails from the time, specifically starting with these pardons, because 400 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: I think that's the only way they have to like 401 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: investigate this right now, it's easier to investigate the pardons 402 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: from the last three months the presidency than just all 403 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: of the documents assigned over the course of like four years, 404 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: or even just two years if you look at like 405 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 2: the past two years of his presidency. So specifically, they're 406 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: focusing on the final pardons as like a way in 407 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: to figure out the process for how the auto pen 408 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: was functioning and who was using it, and they may 409 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: try to extend that process out to things like judicial 410 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 2: appointments over time. I think trying to rescind the appointment 411 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: of someone like a Supreme Court justice very unlikely because 412 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: obviously Biden had awareness that that was going on. But 413 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: they might try to pull more fucky shit with the 414 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 2: you know, circuit court appointments or that kind of stuff. 415 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: I don't think this is like the most important story 416 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: facing the country right now. Obviously, the stuff going on 417 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. And many other aspects of how 418 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: the Trump administration is operating with Ice and with trans 419 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: people affects people more immediately. But I've been specifically trying 420 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: to pull information on how they're crafting this narrative around 421 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: the autopan ever since he made that first truth back 422 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: in March, because I saw this as a ongoing reality 423 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: crafting project which might accumulate in something actually meaningful over time. 424 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: And none of these investigations have released their findings yet, 425 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: and they're not expected to for at least a few 426 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: more weeks to months, But it's something that I think 427 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: is worth keeping an eye on right now, especially considering 428 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: you know, Miller and others and like the Heritage Foundations, 429 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: focus on trying to find niche loopholes in which executive 430 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: power can be really exercised. And if one of the 431 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: ways to remove some of the roadblocks towards this president's 432 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: executive power is to undermine the executive power of a 433 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: previous administration, it would be the first time we see 434 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: that strategy actually enacted. And it sounds like kind of cartoonish, 435 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 2: but that's so much of what they're currently doing is 436 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: pushing everything to that extreme, trying to test all of 437 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 2: these more niche theories that you see people talking about 438 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: in the past, Like around twenty eleven, when Obama first 439 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: signed legislation with the autopen you had a whole bunch 440 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: of libertarians complaining that this is unconstitutional because he wasn't 441 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: physically present when the document was being signed, and so 442 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: you have like think pieces on that at the time 443 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: that then kind of get memory hold, and now you're 444 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: going to see some of those justifications back again and 445 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: actually try to test them out in court, especially if 446 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: you have a Justice Department investigation, you have an Attorney 447 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: General investigation, of a cent an investigation, and a House investigation. 448 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: If one of those can stumble onto or develop or 449 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: invent some compelling argument, we will actually see versions of 450 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: this complaint be tested in a way that we never 451 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: have before, because it would be like disastrous to the 452 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: functional aspect of this state if you determined that all 453 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: presidential documents signed the autopen are not bad and unless 454 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: presidents in the room, that would be a massive domino 455 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: tipping over which you know, most reasonable people who work 456 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: in government, like elder statesmen, are not gonna want to 457 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: do that because that sounds like a fucking nightmare, like 458 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: legally speaking, and it would be like disastrous, like it 459 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: would destroy some fundamental aspects of the government. But right now, 460 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: destroying aspects of government is kind of the point. That's 461 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: what we saw with Doge. That's what we saw during 462 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 2: the first few months of the presidency. Using this kind 463 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 2: of tech startup thought process behind running a government. You 464 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: have to break things first so that you can rebuild 465 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: it in a way that suits you better. And if 466 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: that means stripping away two hundred federal judges to put 467 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: in two hundred of your own, that would have massive 468 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: benefits for them. And I think that's part of why 469 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: they're having this focus right now. Oh yeah, that's kind 470 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: of all. 471 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 3: I have on that. So once you have some some 472 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 3: some closing thoughts. 473 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 4: No, I mean, of course, this is the game as 474 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 4: laid out in not just Project twenty twenty five, but 475 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: what the right has been talking about my entire life. Like, 476 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 4: none of this should be surprising if you've been paying attention. 477 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 4: The only reason why some people are surprised is that 478 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 4: there's folks in the democratic hierarchy who have been saying 479 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 4: for years, this isn't really what conservatives want. This is 480 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 4: just a fringe, right. 481 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: There is no fringe anymore. 482 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 4: They'll never actually do this. They can't do this, the 483 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 4: system doesn't work that way. There's just been this belief 484 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 4: that this can't happen, right, it can't happen, or that 485 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 4: like if it did, obviously you know the cops will 486 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 4: stop them. The FBI will stop them, the army will 487 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 4: stop them. And there's a reason why they've went out 488 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 4: of their way to gain control of all of those 489 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 4: organizations before doing this. So yeah, I mean you cannot. 490 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 4: We either pretend that someone's going to stop them and 491 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 4: you don't have to worry about it, or just accept 492 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 4: that we are where we are and there may be 493 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 4: some unprecedented things that need to be done. Yep, that's 494 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 4: all I'll say. Legally, that's all I should say. 495 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 3: That's the episode. 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