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Speaker 1: forecast I think for or this day, the high was

441
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: like sixty six and it was brilliant sun and going

442
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: into it that made me a little nervous because I

443
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: run quite warm, and they say that you have to

444
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: anticipate it feeling fifteen degrees warmer than it is. So

445
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: that means if the high is sixty six or sixty eight,

446
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: then we're talking that the real feel is above eighty degrees,

447
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: which when you're out there for three and a half hours,

448
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: that can be a little tricky. So after thirteen I'm hyped.

449
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: I go from like a seven fifty mile right on

450
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: pace to a seven thirty six. Then I go back

451
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: and bump it up a bit seven forty six, seven

452
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: fifty two, seven fifty three, And at eighteen that's when

453
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: I start to feel like, holy wow, it is warm

454
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: out and I'm warm, and I'm telling myself, I can

455
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: do this. I can do this. It is it can

456
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: be two things at once. It can be warm and

457
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: I am capable of running in the heat. And I

458
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: started to think about so many of these conversations that

459
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: I've had with these stellar humans, and they're talking about

460
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: their best performances and the point in their life when

461
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: they realized that they were able to think of pain

462
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: as a mindset and not as a physical state, and

463
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: also push through it to a place that I mean,

464
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: it's definitely not advisable for the everyday person, but I

465
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: remember Jesse Diggins, the cross country skier. She told me

466
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: that she learned from a young age in her career

467
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: that she was capable of quote unquote blacking out and performing.

468
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: So I'm like, if Jesse Diggins can do it, I

469
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: can do it.

470
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: And then I stay in this place where I keep

471
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: saying to myself, pain is a mindset.

472
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: Pain is a mindset. Pains a mindset.

473
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Running like that, my pace is for the next three

474
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: miles eight oh five, eight oh six, eight oh nine,

475
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: eight eleven, I'm like, Okay, it's slipping a little bit,

476
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: but like, just keep telling yourself.

477
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 2: Pain is a mind I get to mile twenty two.

478
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Speaker 1: And the realist kicks in for me, and I am like,

479
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: if I am if I continue like this, and I

480
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: try to push through this pain as a mindset moment,

481
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: and I'm so warm and the sun is beating down

482
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: on me, and yes, like my legs are definitely starting

483
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: to feel heavy. I just kept thinking, like what if

484
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: you go down? And this is where I do think

485
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: a little bit. The gremlin got to me. A girlfriend

486
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: that was tracking me from Connecticut. Hey, Rach She called me,

487
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: and I just start like bawling and I answer it

488
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: like I feel the vibration on my wrist and I

489
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: wore the Bow's open ear headphones, so I can't tell

490
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: the headphones to pick up the call. So I consciously

491
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: pick up my phone from my pocket and click answer,

492
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: and I can't hear her, but I just start bawling.

493
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: And I know that she knows that I am in

494
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: the pain Cave because she's watching the graph like Dip

495
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: at home. She's calling to like inspire me, and I'm like,

496
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm okay, and I just like kept repeating that, like

497
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay. And then when I

498
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: ran the Nike After Dark Half, I was with my

499
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: girlfriend Steph, who's literally like a month from giving birth

500
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: right now. She was pregnant when we ran the half,

501
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: and she is so speedy and so motivating. And a

502
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: mile later after I got off the phone with Rachel,

503
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to talk to stuff. So

504
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: I like, I'm running, but mind you, like, I'm still

505
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: clicking away here, I'm still forward as a pace, and

506
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: I call stuff. I can't even hear stuff, but I'm

507
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: like Steph telling me something good, like I'm not well,

508
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm okay. So what happens ultimately is that

509
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: slips a little bit more, and I go eight thirty three,

510
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: eight thirty nine, eight fifty five, and then at mile

511
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: twenty four I go back to you get to pains

512
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: a mindset for a second there in those two miles

513
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: where I'm so hot and I am overheating and it

514
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: is like really starting to get to me. I go

515
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: into this victim mindset for a second after I pushed

516
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: so hard to hold on and I just knew it.

517
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: I didn't come that far to only come that far.

518
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: And it sounds cheesy, but I've been saying it for

519
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: a while and I'm not going to stop saying it.

520
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: I was going to get to that finish and I

521
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: wanted it to be something that I could be proud of.

522
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: And so basically what happened is I looked down at

523
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: my watch and I was at like the forty sixth

524
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Speaker 1: second of the minute, and I walked for fourteen seconds,

525
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: and I said, in fourteen seconds, it's go time. And

526
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: so I pulled over to the side, and it happened

527
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: to be like on this little small uphill. The marathon

528
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: is completely flat basically except for a couple of very

529
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Speaker 1: very small.

530
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Speaker 2: Hills, and.

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Speaker 1: I took my time and then I went, and my

532
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: paces went down again. I went eight twenty six, eight

533
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Speaker 1: oh five, last half mile seven forty eight, and I

534
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: am so proud of that. I kicked so hard, it

535
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: felt so hard, so hard, and I finished, and I

536
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: was so happy that I finished, and so proud of myself,

537
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: and I was a container for both. I have so

538
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: much pride, and I was also a little disappointed the

539
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: day before I put out into the world on zocial

540
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: that I was going to run this marathon faster six

541
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: years later than I did in twenty nineteen. I firmly

542
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: believed it, but there is there are things that are

543
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: beyond my control, and I truly feel like I did

544
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: the best I could with what I had. I have

545
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: so much pride for how I handled those really difficult miles,

546
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: the mental gymnastics it took to keep my body moving

547
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: when I was breaking down. And I know that that

548
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: tenacity and that grit and that determination that is so

549
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: much more important and far bigger than the two minutes

550
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: that I missed on the clock. And so I am

551
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: in this place where I'm dealing with this duality, where

552
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: I understand that it was a race of both, and

553
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: I know that that's like a really important and beautiful

554
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: metaphor for life, and going back to the strong finish,

555
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: like what a gift. The hard finish is a gift.

556
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: I was running so well, right on track, on for

557
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: my goal, and when the heat hit and the wheels

558
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: started to fall off, my biggest win wasn't the pace

559
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: that I was running earlier. It was the ability to

560
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: dig deep and run a fast final couple of miles

561
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: after the damage was done. That comeback is what I

562
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: take with me. That comeback shows me what I am

563
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: truly capable of when things get tough. I laugh when

564
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: I think about the things that I was saying to myself,

565
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: comparing you know, the lessons and the beautiful takeaways that

566
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: I've had from my conversations with so many elite athletes,

567
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I am not an elite athlete. I'm

568
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: not an elite athlete. It's okay. I don't want to

569
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: be one. I just want to push the boundaries of

570
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: my own potential. And a friend said to me, when

571
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: I was talking to him about you know how the

572
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: heat got me, he ran as well. He said, you

573
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: did it, and you inspired people along the way, and

574
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: there's always so many more races, so lesson learned short memory,

575
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: move on And I'm like, okay, all.

576
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: Right, we move We move on.

577
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: You know I can also if we want to talk

578
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: about heat and adaptation, like I got really hot out there,

579
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: and when my body told me no, my mind had

580
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: to switch from pace goal to finish goal and that

581
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: required a huge mental pivot in life, like the unexpected heat.

582
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, the setbacks, the hurdles, the surprises, that's what

583
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: tests us. So the marathon is the ultimate lesson in

584
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: adaptation and mental resilience. And I showed myself on Sunday.

585
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: I reminded myself because I know this about me. I'm

586
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: not going to quit when the plan fails or when

587
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: things feel hard. That is not who I am. I

588
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: am not a quitter. And I know why I do this.

589
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: I do this because it is an opportunity to remember

590
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: who the hell I am. And no matter what the

591
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: outcome was, on Sunday, I got to experience that we

592
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: all did. Whether you set the new American records like

593
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: Connor Mans or you were the last person to across

594
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: that finish line, there is so much beauty and grit

595
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: and bravery and resilience, and there's just so much that

596
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: goes into it, and that is why I love running,

597
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: Like I feel as though for many people they hear

598
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: things like this and if they don't run, then maybe

599
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: you don't fully understand. But it's so much bigger than

600
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: the act of running for me. And I'm not saying

601
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: if you are like happily married or you have children,

602
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: that you don't get to feel how.

603
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: I feel about this.

604
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: But running is just a reminder sometimes that I have

605
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: value in a society that makes me feel like, because

606
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: I am unwed and not a mother right now, that

607
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm doing something completely wrong and that's real, that's so real.

608
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: It's just a reminder for myself, like as I like

609
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: get my I act together and I just feel better

610
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: in my body and I remind myself that I have

611
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: value in worth exactly as I am, and that it's

612
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: not something that I should have to go run a

613
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: marathon to remind myself. But sometimes I do feel like

614
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: these opportunities are just one big.

615
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: Kick in the butt that you are so.

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00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: Good, am and I am so good five minutes, two minutes, whatever,

617
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: many minutes aside, I'm so good for showing up and

618
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: doing it in the first place. I do want to

619
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the power of the pivot.

620
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: Like I said, as it started to get hard, I

621
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: really did have to adjust my goal and my mindset

622
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: a bit mid race.

623
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: And so.

624
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: My big piece of advice from this marathon is that, yes,

625
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: it's okay to be optimistic and step into that affirmed action,

626
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: but in the moment of the pivot, it's so beautiful

627
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: if you have the tenacity or maybe you can be

628
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: brave enough to be brutally honest with yourself in the moment.

629
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: So like around mile.

630
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: Eighteen nineteen twenty, I had to stop trying to force

631
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: this pace that I wanted and started running the pace

632
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: that I could sustain to finish strong. If you're chasing

633
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: a goal and the plan falls apart, you don't quit.

634
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: You just got a pivot. You don't quit. I enunciate this,

635
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: you just have to pitot. So going back to that

636
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: place of both, I mean, that's still where I'm living in.

637
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: I have so much to be proud of. I feel

638
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: so solid, and I'm already kind of like what's next.

639
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: So that's a question that's in my DMS right now.

640
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: So I don't know what's next at the moment. I

641
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: would like I will be at everyone's marathon in November.

642
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to be hosting and hanging out with the

643
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: crew and Scottsdale. Part of me wouldn't mind running me

644
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: after Dark half in London in November. I kind of

645
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: have my eye on it. I'm thinking about it. I'm

646
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: I'm about it with a girlfriend right now. I don't

647
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: know what my next marathon will be. I don't have

648
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: any desire firstpring marathon. I do really love the marathon distance,

649
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: and I anticipate that I'll keep doing it, like I

650
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: am not done with this yet, and not even from

651
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: like I'm not done with this yet because I want

652
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: like a certain goal or thing again.

653
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: It's really about the journey for me and I enjoy

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00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: it so much.

655
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: But I believe that I could be talked into Sydney

656
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: next year. I've never been to Australia and that could

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Speaker 1: be a really fun thing for me. But no big

658
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: goal race or thing on the radar right now, and

659
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm very much okay with that. But don't be surprised

660
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: if you see me in London in November. I do

661
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: want to go back to the socials because I did

662
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: put up a questions box, and there's some that are

663
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: still coming in and I wanted to answer them if

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Speaker 1: I can.

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Speaker 2: What was your fueling strategy for the race? Okay? Good one.

666
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: I did a gel every five k ish and then

667
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: just hydrated as much as possible. When I hit like

668
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Speaker 1: that rough patch and got so hot at mile twenty,

669
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Speaker 1: I decided that I or twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I've lost all concept of what happened in this marathon.

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Speaker 1: I had an Element packet in my pocket and I

672
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: ripped it open and just like poured half of it

673
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: into my mouth because I felt like I was like

674
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Speaker 1: losing all the fluid in my body.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that did, but it felt good

677
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: when I did it, So maybe testing salt packets is

678
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: in my future. But I did drink two bottles of

679
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: Element on the course in addition to the Gatorade. Basically

680
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: at every single water station, someone asks me congrats on

681
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Speaker 1: the race, curious what the hours after the race looked like.

682
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Speaker 2: For your recovery. I remember once I asked does Lund

683
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Speaker 2: in this?

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Speaker 1: I think it was in our marathon prep episode last year,

685
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Speaker 1: and she like totally went into like pr spokes mode

686
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Speaker 1: and she said like.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you can walk a little bit, or

688
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Speaker 2: like get in an ice bath.

689
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Speaker 1: And I looked at her like I stared at her

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Speaker 1: blank and I was like, do you get in an

691
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Speaker 1: ice bath after a marathon?

692
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Speaker 2: She goes absolutely not. I'm like, okay, So I'm with

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Speaker 2: Dez on this.

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Speaker 1: I am more like, let's celebrate the accomplishment, but my

695
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: recovery after it was more like about emotional recovery. I

696
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: was inundated on my phone and I needed to just

697
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: absorb what had happened. So I got back to my

698
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Speaker 1: I biked back to my hotel because that was the

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00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: easiest way to get around, and I took a shower

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Speaker 1: and like took an hour and just had some me time,

701
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Speaker 1: called my mom, processed a bit, and then went to

702
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Speaker 1: go meet my run club at a bar where I

703
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: had some sippies and some bites, and then I had

704
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Speaker 1: the most lovely meal with three of my friends afterward

705
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Speaker 1: at this little like French brasserie.

706
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm totally saying that wrong. Maybe I don't know a

707
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: most wonderful meal there.

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Speaker 1: And then I went back to my hotel and got

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Speaker 1: my act together and then went to the three Run

710
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Speaker 1: two that's a Run club in Chicago. They have a

711
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: big after party every year, and so I went to

712
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: their after party. But in the since the day of

713
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: celebrations that we did the damn thing, I've used my

714
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Normatech boots more like downtime. I like laid in bed

715
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: until ten am the day after the marathon, that is

716
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: like very unlike me, but slowly moved in like walked

717
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: around a bit to get in some movement and try

718
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: to flush what's going on in my legs. I got

719
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: a massage on Monday, lots of hydration and just commemorating

720
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: it with good friends. I went to get my first

721
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: slice of deep dish ever at Pea Quads, and then

722
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: at night had a burger at Auschival, which was so good,

723
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: so good, And I actually stayed in Chicago when NEXTRA day,

724
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Speaker 1: which I don't tip it do after a marathon, and

725
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: I think that was really good for me before flying.

726
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: Other questions here, did you follow a group or go

727
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: on it on your own? So, like I said, I

728
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: ran with my friend. Her name's Amani. We tried to

729
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: find a three twenty five group but like could not

730
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: find a sign or get to a sign within our corral,

731
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Speaker 1: and so when we went out, it really just became

732
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: on us to keep each other honest with the pace

733
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Speaker 1: that we are running. I think that could have helped

734
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: me if we I believe we both agree on that.

735
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: It could have been nice to be with the pace group,

736
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: but I have never run with one before, and I

737
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: was down for it to either be just her and

738
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: I or with the pace group. And that's just kind

739
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: of how it shook out. What did you think about

740
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: when the going got tough? So, I mean I talked

741
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: a lot about this, embracing the pivot, understanding that you

742
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: might need to switch from a pace goal to a

743
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: finished goal, really having a good ability to zoom out

744
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: and think of this as a season of effort like

745
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: I spoke about before, which I think is so important.

746
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm also really going back to those mantras that I

747
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: would saying if it was if it was easy, everybody

748
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: would do it, keep pushing and forward forward as possible.

749
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 1: Like I just kept going to those in my head.

750
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Speaker 1: Anything you do differently, Nah, I did the best I

751
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: could with what I have. I'm proud of the training,

752
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm proud of the effort. I'm proud of all of it.

753
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: I believe that the universe is conspiring in your favor

754
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: at all times, and so sometimes that's a hard word

755
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: pill to swallow when it doesn't go as you had hoped.

756
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: But I know that I am better for what happened

757
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: on Sunday, And often what I know to be true

758
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: is that these difficult moments are bigger teachers than our

759
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: highest ones, and so as beautiful as it could have

760
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: been to get three twenty five or sub three twenty

761
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: eight oh eight or sub three thirty the A, B,

762
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: and C goals, I'm good.

763
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: I really am good. I mean that whole wholeheartedly.

764
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: Pre race dinner in Chicago, I had a personal pizza

765
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: from my hotel. Will I be doing Sydney, I would

766
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: love to. Let's talk talk about it. Running watch recommendations.

767
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: I ran with a Garmin Forerunner. There's a new Apple

768
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: Watch Ultra. While speaking, I've been doing this for too long.

769
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: It's time for me to wrap this. There's a new

770
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: Apple Watch Ultra that I'm very excited about. But I

771
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: wear a Garmin Forerunner and my last watch was the

772
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: Garman Epics, and I loved my Epics. Someone asks, what

773
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: was your first marathon time? And how has your relationship

774
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: with the times changed over the years, there have been

775
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: times in my life.

776
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: I will say this as well.

777
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I have not always been someone that's trying to run

778
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: a faster time at every marathon. In fact, there was

779
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: like a three year period where I was really struggling

780
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: with planter fasciitis. If you've been here for a minute,

781
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: if you know, you know, I have just wanted to

782
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: finish marathons, and that has been the only goal, especially

783
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Speaker 1: with a lot of the international marathons in Tokyo. Like

784
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: I had never been to Japan. I was there strictly

785
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: for vibes. Like strictly, I was out until like two

786
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: or three in the morning three days before the marathon,

787
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: and that.

788
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: Was by choice.

789
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: I was going there to like really embrace the entire experience,

790
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: Whereas you know, I went into Chicago with a specific goal.

791
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: So I think that.

792
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: What's hard right now with the way that some folks

793
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: talk is if it's not a pr then like it's

794
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: not it's not enough or it's not good enough. Like

795
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: you get to decide what this means to you, what

796
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: it is that you want, and don't set your goals

797
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: based on what other people make you feel like you

798
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: should do. I'm sitting here saying that as like so

799
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: many people told me the go three twenty five, I

800
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: don't regret going for it. I don't regret going for

801
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: the moonshot goal of anything, Like hell yeah, and how

802
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: special is it? I keep coming back to this. This

803
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: was like really hitting me the night before the marathon.

804
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: It is insane to me that I had every reason

805
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: to believe that I was capable of running twenty six

806
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: point two miles at a seven forty nine piece Like

807
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: that in itself is the biggest win. That is wild

808
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: to me, as someone who when she started running not

809
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: run a single mile faster than fifteen minutes. To show

810
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: up on Sunday and have the tenacity and grit to

811
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: say I can do twenty six point two of these

812
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: miles at seven forty nine, that, in itself, I couldn't

813
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: ask for anything more. Like, I am so proud of

814
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: me for that. That is the essence of hard work.

815
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: That is the essence of the opportunity cost that has

816
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: gone in over years here to get.

817
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: To this place. And I'm I'm just I'm really proud

818
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: of that. I'm really really proud of that.

819
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: Oh man, I think I've answered most of the questions here,

820
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: and I've been yapping your ear off for a minute

821
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: now to everyone near and far who supported me on

822
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: this particular journey. I don't have the words to tell

823
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: you how much it means to me, but yeah, so

824
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: much love and support on the course and from the

825
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: hurdle community. And I saw so many of you on

826
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: the streets that came up to me, and I will

827
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: say that, Uh, you know, someone said something to me

828
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: really valuable this morning. He said, well, he asked, He said,

829
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: do you ever do live events or stuff at moments

830
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: like this, because he was with me when one of

831
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: the girls came up to introduce herself and I was like, actually,

832
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: like I usually do, but this weekend I didn't, and

833
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: he like kind of challenged that. I said to him,

834
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: like I wanted to conserve my energy, like there can

835
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: be like a lot that goes into moments like this,

836
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: and he said, but isn't there.

837
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: A lot that you gain from it? And that is

838
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: so true.

839
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: And something I'm working on personally is really just getting

840
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: to this place where like I allow and enable people

841
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: to show up for me more. And so I do

842
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: want to say genuinely like thank you to all of you,

843
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: and I needed to hear what he had to say.

844
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: I needed that reframe because I do know that I

845
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: am better like with all of you.

846
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: I am.

847
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: It's so special to me and it fills up my

848
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: cup and so to look at it as an energy

849
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: drain when I know that it is an energy faucet.

850
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: It's just like setting up the right set of circumstances

851
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: so that it's good for all of us. So I

852
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: promise you there's good stuff coming from New York. Do

853
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: you not worry if you're coming to town. We're gonna

854
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna hang out. We're gonna have a good time.

855
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if I rambled enough in this episode,

856
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: but it took you fifty two minutes to get here.

857
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: So thank you, Chicago. You're wonderful. I'm happy to be home.

858
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: Your girl is gonna Maybe I told myself I was

859
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: gonna have any wine this week now that I'm back home,

860
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: but maybe just one more glass of wine and have

861
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: some salt bath and a little Netflix movie on my

862
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: iPad and call it a day. Chicago, You're so special.

863
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Thanks for reminding me who the hell I am. And

864
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: to all of you, just keep doing what you're doing.

865
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: We all got goals to chase, things to do, and

866
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: each other to support along the way. Another hurdle conquered.

867
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Speaker 1: Catch you guys next time