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Speaker 1: was there. We had to go a certain direction. And

424
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: then two of the guides were in town that technically

425
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: were under his umbrella, so we were checked off. We

426
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: were legal and able to uh talk to the locals,

427
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: which was awesome. We got on their local Facebook page

428
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: and um negotiating, Yeah and the good one yea, look,

429
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, negotiated rental of their a t V s. Um,

430
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I think we paid three bucks

431
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: for the week to renter a TV S from him,

432
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: which you know, want to hunt like that kind of

433
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: saved our bacon. But um, you know it's the guys

434
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: that were supposed to be on the hunt with me. Um,

435
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: A couple of them hadn't written four wheelers a lot,

436
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: and so then we were trying to buy helmets because

437
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: they weren't comfortable riding without helmets, and um, you know

438
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: it sounded horrible, but at the same time, I guess

439
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: me we we ended up making it happen. You know,

440
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: a lot of it goes to the guy that invited

441
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: me to go. I mean, he's a go get or

442
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: he's a he's a former ranger and he used to

443
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: finding commission and getting it done, and that mentality went

444
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: along ways and and so yeah, we ended up ended

445
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: up striking out from town. And now I killed killed

446
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: my musk ox right about dark and that's pretty laid

447
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: up there. Um, packed it up, got it on the

448
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: a t v s, well balanced our way back in

449
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: and there's hold on, let me stop you. So how

450
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: far from okay? You haven't named the town? How big

451
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: was the town. I mean, like how many humans were

452
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: in the town, I couldn't tell you, but I mean

453
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: it's a meaning. But it's an interior community, which for

454
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: that area you've got the people that live on the

455
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: ocean and are you're eating sea would have been like

456
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: ten thousand people. Okay, so town of two thousand surrounded

457
00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: by like tundra yep, yep, Like where you could just

458
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: see is it one of these places where you can

459
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: just see for like rolling miles if you get up

460
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: high you can see for ways. But it's I mean

461
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: there's still drainage, is there's not there's not trees. They'd

462
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: refer to it like you were asking them, Okay, well,

463
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: how far up this river have you gone? We'll have

464
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: gone to the trees, like that's that's a landmark. Is

465
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: you could follow this river to the trees and then

466
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: you'd hit that boreal forest. But where we were was

467
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: wide open um tundra there. You know, if you see

468
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: none of it. You see their flag, I'll show you later,

469
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: you know when next time. You know, we've got some time.

470
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: But their flag is actually a little pile of rocks.

471
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: And what they did was they used these little pile

472
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: of rocks. The Cariboo would see it on a ridge

473
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: and then it would turn them so they could direct

474
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: the caribou. And their entire culture was they call themselves

475
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: a Cariboo people, and so they you know, we killed it,

476
00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: and uh, we got one cariban. Sorry, you're you're on

477
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: a cool track. I saw the flag, so they so

478
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: the the symbol of the none of It flag is

479
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: a stack of rocks. And so what these Caribou people

480
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: would do Native people when they were hunting these caribou,

481
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: they would have rock stacks that would act as decoy humans.

482
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: And I mean this is something that presumably they've been

483
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: doing for millennia. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, and what's

484
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: cool to me is that the they've been hunting those

485
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: cariboos so long. Those cariboos recognize anything vertical and about

486
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: that thick quote unquote is a predator one of those

487
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: dying humans. Yeah, and that's pretty sweet. Yeah, and they

488
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 1: their their whole culture. I mean, it was we watched him, like,

489
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: we we killed this, we killed one cariboo. They weren't um.

490
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: You know, first off, they don't they don't hunt. They

491
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: catch like the the guy that we hunted with the

492
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: guide was. I mean he he had harpooned in our

493
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: wall and you know, shot seals and like he was

494
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: a um he killed a baron gown Grizzly that winter

495
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: acts how he made his money. He was a hunter.

496
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: There's grizz and none of it. Yeah, there's baron ground,

497
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: Grizzly bear. And when I when we got my muskoks,

498
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: it was last light and there was three of us

499
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: there and one of us was kind of on Grizzly

500
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 1: watch and we never saw one. But um, we had

501
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: a we had a wolverine come right up to the

502
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: kill site, which was one of the coolest experiences you

503
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: can have. I mean we're sitting there working the muskoks

504
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: up and we see something moving in the rocks and

505
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: we've got it filmed and it's a it's a wolverine

506
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: and like hollered at him and he stood up and

507
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: looked at us and for you to leave. Yeah, I mean,

508
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: there was there was foxes there. It was dark. I

509
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: mean our headlights were shining and you could see like

510
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: fox eyes and the rocks and that wolverine was there

511
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: and they were they were waiting. It's a it's a

512
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: rough lifestyle up there. And they knew there was gonna

513
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: be a carcass a gut pile that they could work over,

514
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: and they were just standing back as polite as could be,

515
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: waiting for us to finish up. So you said, they

516
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: the natives ask if you caught some Right, They're like,

517
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: did you catching muskoks? Did you catch a caribous? And

518
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: down here we know that when people say that they

519
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: don't know what they're not hunters, right, did you catch

520
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: you deer? No? I didn't catch a deer. I killed

521
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: it deer. But there, that's what they said. Clearly, that's

522
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: their culture, that's what they do, and so I'm not

523
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: one to tell them that catching the muskoks are catching

524
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: the cariboos wrong. And so it was it was and

525
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: that the people were um, just over the top friendly nice,

526
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: but they lived on the land. So we we get

527
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: the muskoks, we come back the story I was gonna

528
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: tell as we there's an old mine access road where

529
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: there's an access road to a mine that has a

530
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: couple of side shoots where they've done exploratory and so

531
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of how you access these areas where you

532
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: hit their trail system. Will we hit this, hit this

533
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: gravel mine road to go across the bridge. We're beat up,

534
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, balancing across these trails and none of us

535
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: had it's been the amount of time that they do

536
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: on slowmobile and sled or whatever and uh four wheelers.

537
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: So we get back and we're kind of gathering ourselves

538
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: and getting the load set. Well, look up the whole

539
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: skies lit up with northern lights and so that that

540
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: mean the whole thing and you couldn't really script the better,

541
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, hunting. When we saw him. We spotted him

542
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: from a way as we were able to sneak in

543
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: on this musk ox. There was a younger bull that uh,

544
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: I kind of think of the muskox is just you know,

545
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: out there doing their thing, not real active. I mean

546
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: this bull was gore and the tunder with his horns

547
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: and jumping around and all fired up. And the one

548
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: I ended up killing was how many did you see

549
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: all in one group? Um? That group, I want to

550
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: say it was maybe ten eight or ten. They were

551
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: just kind of spread out, they were no one of

552
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: the One of the bulls that the group got was

553
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: a single um. That was the guy that I went with.

554
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: We spotted a ball all by himself, and you know,

555
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: we were sneaking up on him, and he wanted, you know,

556
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: everybody to be a part of everything and says like,

557
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: no one, no, I'll stay right with me. And we

558
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: were getting real close to this bull and I was like, dude,

559
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stay back like you know him and

560
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: the guy you have to be guy, and I go,

561
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm not doing you any good. And he's like, well,

562
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: I want to range, and I was like, dude, Mike,

563
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: we're within a hundred yards. Just put the X on

564
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: the big part. You know, it's we're not to the

565
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: point where at a definitive range with the rifle is

566
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: really gonna make a big deal. Well, I'm We're in

567
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: a tan backpack with gray clothes on, and I'm kind

568
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: of huddled there while the sun comes up and the

569
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: guy and I didn't know this later, but um, the

570
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: bull sees me and he starts walking towards me. And

571
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: the guy tells Mike, he's like, you should shoot that

572
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: Muskox or he's gonna run justin over because I look

573
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: like a bull muskox laying there and in the in

574
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: the tungue look like a bull muskocks. Anyway, thanks, Cla.

575
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you look like a squirrel. I was

576
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: thinking it was a compliment what I was saying. He

577
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: smells way better than a must does A does a

578
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: what's the does the muskox sea? Well, I I don't think.

579
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: I think it's probably similar to a bear. People people

580
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: say old bears can't see what they can see as

581
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: good as we can see. That's weird because you would

582
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: think a big I guess they're and then they're not

583
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: an ungulet? Are they not? They're not like a deer.

584
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: They're uh okay, fine, well they they It just seems

585
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: like on the tundra site would be like a massive

586
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: predatory defense. Yeah we got we got a resident looker

587
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: upper because frantically checking on whether we but yeah, so

588
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: it seems like they would have really good eyes. But

589
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: now when I think about them, they they don't necessarily

590
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: have huge I'm sure their noses are really good. Yeah,

591
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: but you know, they're like I said, the group I

592
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: got mine out of we had some rocks and some

593
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: kind of ridges. It weren't hard to stalk, I mean

594
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: like stalking an antelope. No, and and we we held up.

595
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly the distance, but it wasn't a

596
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: far shot. But we first saw him. I mean, we

597
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: had them at five yards and again, you know, you

598
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: just it was very interesting to me because this this

599
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: guided gud Ad a few people but not killed a

600
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: bunch of Muskoks. But somebody had told him that some

601
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: people wanted to shoot a long ways. And he asked me,

602
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: is like, is that gun a far shooting gun or

603
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: a close shooting gun? And I was like, well, what

604
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: do you mean? It's about the way I talked about rifles.

605
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: I go, Sam, what do you mean? He goes, he goes,

606
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: does that shoot far or shoot close? And I was like,

607
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: well it's it can shoot away, Sam, But we got

608
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: a fifty mile cross wind. Like, let's get closer, and

609
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: so we get to three fifty and he goes, he goes,

610
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, is would you like to get closer? I'm like, well, Sam,

611
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: can we get closer? Then it's just the way you

612
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: talked to you a very matter of fact. He goes yes,

613
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: So we stop again. He's like, would you like to

614
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: get closer with Sam? I'd like to get as close

615
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: as we can and then we'll talk about a shot.

616
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: And he goes okay, and we got you know, it

617
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: was I mean it was a rock that was about

618
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: the perfect height that I laid a pack down on

619
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: and you're shooting off of the bench, and you know,

620
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: I was saying that other bulls gore in the ground

621
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: and jumping around. Well this bull's got the cows and

622
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: he's kind of he's watching him out of the corner

623
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: of his eye, but he doesn't, you know, pretending to

624
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: not pay him any attention. But I had his attention.

625
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: He's watching this younger bowl and you know, got the

626
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: shot and it worked out, you know great. You know,

627
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: I keep going back to this justin I'm intrigued by

628
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: these muskoks um you know there. Their defense mechanism would be,

629
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, like a caribouse defense mechanism is to run,

630
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: and analope's defense mechanism is to run. The way that

631
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: you win by running is to run before the thing

632
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: that's trying to catch you starts to run. So they

633
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: have great eyes so they can like see a wolf

634
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: and go okay, boys get ahead. The muskox defense is

635
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: they huddle up like you see this, and so they're

636
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: ready to defend themselves. And they're young, not by running

637
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: but by just your brute force, you aren't getting through this.

638
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: So I guess it would make sense to me that

639
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: they wouldn't necessarily have the best eyes on the tundra

640
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: because it's like if a wolf's at three d yards,

641
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: he's not a threat, where is gonna keep eating? Well

642
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: he's inside of you know, if he's inside that zone,

643
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: then they've circle up. But I'm amazed that they weren't

644
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: killed out by native or by just humans over the

645
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: not killed out, but um, they they weren't into Muskoks meat.

646
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: That's where I was getting into that there there were

647
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: a caribou people. So anyway we're talking about this Now,

648
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is, well, you got the

649
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: Muskoks got it out, Well, all got our bulls, but

650
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: we got one cariboo. When he took us to his

651
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: family cariboo camp up this river, which was one of

652
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: the cooler experiences ever. But the river we were on,

653
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: like he had the same boat that he used to

654
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: go chasing our walls and seals was the same boat

655
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: he was running a river with. Now, you know, I

656
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: grew up in Oregon, so running a jet boat on

657
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: a you know, a rifly river isn't a big deal. Well, yeah,

658
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: you're not running a you know, basically eight teen foot

659
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: land with a prop and we're running and you know,

660
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: three ft of water. And he actually stopped at one

661
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: point to show us how shallow it was, and you

662
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: can see the look on his face is like, I

663
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: didn't think this through because he couldn't get back up speed.

664
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: So I'm laying on the front of the boat trying

665
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: to hold the bow down so he could get up

666
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: to speed and get us running again, which was cool.

667
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: And we get to this big rapid and you know,

668
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: he just stops and he goes, we will wait for

669
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: the other boat. Here. Many people have died here. He

670
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: doesn't elaborate, you know, and he's super friendly guy, but

671
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: like that's just the way he said things. And all

672
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: of us are sitting there going like, oh many many

673
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: people have died here. Okay, this is so anyway, we

674
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: get up there, we killed this cariboo, its last light.

675
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: We're kind of nervous about getting back down the river,

676
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: you know, back into past the rapid. Yea, but the

677
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: other boat was just better. They followed us, So say, say,

678
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm knew the he was just yeah, he was making

679
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: sure that we were there in case if we died,

680
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: just watch, just watch it, just let people know that

681
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: we didn't make it right. So, get this cariboo, and

682
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, we're taking care of it, and all of

683
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: us are in there. We all hunted quite a bit,

684
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: so we're trying to help. Well, Mike goes to get

685
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: this cariboo and Sam just shoots him this look and

686
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm elbowing. I'm like, no, no, no, Mike, like, I'm

687
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: just trying to help. I'm like, we're all trying to help.

688
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: But Sam was really into that just and he's like, oh, gotcha, gotcha.

689
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: So we've finished skinning it out. Well, Sam goes to

690
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: get the thing and the first thing he does he

691
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: opens it up. He reaches and he pulls out the

692
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: kidney and there's a lining, you know, like a sinew

693
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: or a tissue lining around it that he peels it off.

694
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: He takes his knife and he cuts a dollar bill

695
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: size out of the stomach. Just the paunch doesn't doesn't

696
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: wipe it off, nothing. Takes that paunch rappsd around the

697
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: kidney and eats the whole kidney and a cariboo kidneys

698
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: the giant and I'm a pretty adventurous eater. I feel like,

699
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: I try about it. When they didn't wash off the paunch,

700
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: I was like, no and so and then he eats

701
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: where Yeah, you gotta at least washed the green off.

702
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: So then he does the same thing with the other kidney,

703
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: and you know, thinking about it, I mean, if there

704
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: are caribou people, that's there, that's their vitamins. You know,

705
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: we get veggies and we mix everything up. Well, that's

706
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: why they would crave, you know, the organ meat is

707
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: there's so much in there that the caribou of have

708
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: have turned from the tundra, you know, likns and what

709
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: they're eating on the tunder of the grasses. I mean,

710
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: that's how they got the minerals. And he's still craved

711
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: that that was the best tasting thing in the world,

712
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, and we we get back at the bones.

713
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: He ended up inviting us over to his house to

714
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: try caribou and narwhal, which you know, you can't import

715
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: it or anything, but they were eating it and like

716
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: it was a frozen chunk on our wall, blubber that

717
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: they marinated in some soy sauce and onions and it

718
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: was kind of a communal dish and uh yeah, we

719
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: got to try on our wall and it wasn't It

720
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: wasn't disgusting by any means. I feel like you could

721
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: find the bald as tired you could and then slow

722
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: cook it for a couple of days and then put

723
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: it in soy sauce and onion. You'd have a similar experience.

724
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: But it was. It was a pretty cool deal. And

725
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: they had the bones sitting on the floor and I

726
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: was like, what are you guys gonna do? You're gonna

727
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: turn that into broth or what are you doing? Like,

728
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: Oh no, we cracked those open and put the marrow

729
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: on our toast instead of butter. It's better than butter.

730
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: And so it was. It was just mean that they

731
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: made us some banick biscuits, just a you know, a

732
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: s biscuit cooked in seal oil, which you know it was,

733
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean similar to the bear fat bear grease. I mean,

734
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: they didn't have a real strong flavor or anything. It

735
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: was just a super simple biscuit. The cariboo they served

736
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: us was, um, it wouldn't be something similar to like this,

737
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: similar to what we'd do. It was some veggies thir

738
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: fried with some cariboan. Then they kind of made a

739
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: pan gravy out of it. And it was you know,

740
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: and and seeing you know, that's what what they did,

741
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: what they hate. And Sam was you know, his kids

742
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: were there over the top nice. His wife was just

743
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: beyond you know, accommodating, and um, they lived in kind

744
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: of it was I don't know if it was government

745
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: housing or what, but it was kind of an apartment

746
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: building but there wasn't doors on any of the apartments.

747
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: It was just like a sheet over it. And there's

748
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: and there was just family like, oh, that's my sister,

749
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: like the floor of that. Yeah, it was and I

750
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, I didn't understand. But it turns

751
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: out like the four wheelers we drained was from some

752
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: of his family. They actually took really good care of

753
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: their stuff. Those are the best looking ones we've seen.

754
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: So it was his sister who needed the four wheeler

755
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: back because she had to go to work and that's

756
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: how you got to work. But she rented us to it.

757
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, like the plan kind of fell apart,

758
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: but it turned into one of the best cultural experiences

759
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: and hunts you could go on like everything, and of

760
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: course you know, I got we all got nice Muskoks

761
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: and big Muskoks. I mean three of the four actually

762
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: qualified for BNC, which isn't what you're looking for, but

763
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: I mean just doing that, like that's that's better stick

764
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: in there, right, So it was it was all a

765
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: real cool experience that really is godly. You know. I

766
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: was thinking about when you were describing kind of the

767
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: hunting culture of these people. You know, there's no we

768
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: can't make any bones about the fact that we are

769
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: a sport hunting culture. And that's not a bad thing.

770
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: These like those guys, at least historically. I don't think

771
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: they're living off cariboo like they used to. I mean,

772
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: you know they'd prefer to. Yeah, but if you look

773
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: back at their culture the last you know that thousands

774
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: of years, I mean, that wasn't for fun, you know

775
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: that they were killing caribou. It was for I mean,

776
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: it was essentially them there they're farming their cattle there,

777
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, the things that we would associate. I mean,

778
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: it was work. And so they look at it totally different.

779
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: They look at the hunt totally different and the cool thing.

780
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people wouldn't under understand

781
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: the term sport hunting. But sport hunting. Recreational hunting is

782
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 1: actually a big part of what saved North American wildlife

783
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: as we quit using them for you know, we took

784
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: away their market value so they didn't have you couldn't

785
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: kill them and sell them. That's a good thing if

786
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: you want wildlife on the landscape, and we don't. Now,

787
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: certain small groups of people do utilize wildlife meet like us,

788
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: our families, your family, a lot of people that listen

789
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: to this. I mean, we use a ton of wild game,

790
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: but we don't live off of it. We don't have to,

791
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: we don't have It's a choice we actively make. We

792
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: find it healthier. We take great pride in doing it,

793
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: but it's not at the end of the day, if

794
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: if I don't pull the trigger on a on a

795
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: bear in the spring or an elk in the fall,

796
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: there's not an actual concern that that we're not going

797
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: to make it. We just you know, don't don't buy

798
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: as many bear hunter t shirts and spend that money

799
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: on you know, expensive beef at the store. We can

800
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: do that and still be fine. But it seems like, uh,

801
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: like these native guides, like wherever in the world they were,

802
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: when they interact with a with people from America or

803
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: the West or you know that are that are sport hunters,

804
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: there's always this kind of like tensions maybe not the

805
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: right word, but just like they don't understand why you

806
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: would want to do certain things a certain way. Well,

807
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: it was funny to bring that up when we saw

808
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: this carabo it was a single bowl that we spotted

809
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: from the river and there's three of us in the

810
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: boat that I'll have cariboot tag. Well they you know,

811
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: Mike could let me shoot first on the musk ox

812
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: and so clearly I'm like, I'm out. You know that

813
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: that's it's between you and the other guy that we

814
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: were in the boat, and you know, Mike could put

815
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: in a bunch of effort to get us these four

816
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: whether it's kind of made it happen. And the other

817
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: guy that was with us, it was like, no, no, Mike,

818
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: you go ahead. This is you know, you've given you rights.

819
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: And as we're kind of discussing, and it didn't take long.

820
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't like an argument or anything, but

821
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: just kind of figuring out you know, nobody wanted to

822
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: step on anybody's toes and be polite. And Sam looks

823
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: and he goes, I don't care who shoots it, just

824
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: somebody goes shooting him hungry you know, need, Yeah, like

825
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: come on, guys. So it was, like I said, and

826
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: he did an amazing job because he you know, he

827
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: read us and he saw what we wanted from the experience,

828
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: and and he got the caribu meat. You know. I

829
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: mean you could see right away it's like, no, this

830
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: is you know, this is all you. And then they

831
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: were you know, he didn't care who shot it was,

832
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: but they had caribou, and you know it was it

833
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: was a pretty cool deal man. What a need experience. Muskox.

834
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: I think they're one of the neatest looking of all

835
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: the North American big game. I mean, I would I

836
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: would love to I would love to hunt Muskox. They're

837
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: incredible animals. Credible animals. Um justin we talked about earlier.

838
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: Um let's let's let's switch gears a little bit and

839
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: talk about some hound stuff. Um So, for so, the

840
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett record system record keeping system has well.

841
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: First of all, Boone and Crockett was I mean, they

842
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: were the people that started talking about fair Chase. I

843
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: mean back in the late eighteen hundreds. I mean, where

844
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: did the term would you say that Boone and Crockett, Roosevelt,

845
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: those guys were the ones that crafted that term or

846
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: was that there before it was? It's very interesting if

847
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: you look, there was there was an ethics system of

848
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: hunting that that kind of came over from Europe. It

849
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: was it was a class thing back and and and

850
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, the trophy side of things that the quality

851
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: of the estate. You know, you you'd you'd hang up

852
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: your your secret deer or whatever it was, because the

853
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: quality of your game showed the quality of your state.

854
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: But there was a class you didn't just kill everything.

855
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: You know. Well when when they came over here, there

856
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: was still there was the right way to do it,

857
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: and and there was you know, it was a i mean,

858
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: it was the better off sportsman that had the fine

859
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: shotguns and whatnot. And you know, this whole idea that

860
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: there was an unlimited resource clearly wasn't the case. And

861
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: so it was starting to be talked about, and there

862
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: was different classes of hunters. But what Boone and Crockett

863
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: did and through um Forests and stream and George Bird Grenelle,

864
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: which was you know, one of our main founders, they

865
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: they popularized the idea of of of fair chase and

866
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: self limitation, you know, and and you look at the

867
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: original tenants, is like there was things you didn't do.

868
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: You know, they called it jack lighting. Spotlighting today they

869
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, they'd use lanterns and they could see deer

870
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: eyes and they'd float rivers and shoot him. Well that

871
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: that clearly wasn't a fair deal or you wouldn't you know,

872
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: that it wasn't right, And so they popularized it. And um,

873
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, reading these early writers, they term um you mentioned,

874
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, reading about somebody hunting, you know, close to

875
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: your home and imagining this. Um. There's a guy, dald

876
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: Weetz who was a writer. They went to Alaska and

877
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: uh actually hunted a lake that I was fortunate enough

878
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: to be able to go and hunt. And reading his description,

879
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: he shot up. He shot a second moose, and in

880
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: his article he's almost apologizing to the people reading the article,

881
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna call me a game hog for killing two

882
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: moose in my lifetime. Well, the second moose he killed

883
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: was actually the largest moose ever killed in the world

884
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: at the time. And so even then they early nineteen hundreds,

885
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: the um so he was he wasn't apologizing for killing

886
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: two moose in the same year in the lifetime You're

887
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: gonna he's he says in his article, you're gonna call

888
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: me a game hog. And so at the time, that

889
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: was that was how the classy hunters, the writers, the

890
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: the upper echelon of the hunting community would go out

891
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: and they actually, if you read it, they talk. You know,

892
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: everybody says, oh, we had to end market hunting, and

893
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: that was a big thing with you know, um, the

894
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: Lacey Act where they just disallowed the transfer every It

895
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: was illegal to market hunt in every state, but if

896
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: you could get it over state lines, they weren't able

897
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: to enforce it. So the Lacey Acts said, um, game taken,

898
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a fella. It's an offense to take

899
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: illegally gotten game across the state line, which is still

900
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: used today. If somebody poaches and takes it out of state,

901
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: then they get federal charges through the Lacey Acts. So

902
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: it's a very very solid wildlife you know, management law.

903
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: But anyway, they oh, sorry, you got me too excited

904
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: about too many of these. Yeah, So anyway, um, these guys,

905
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: they they made this selective hunting. You couldn't put pressure

906
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: on the young, you couldn't put pressure on the females

907
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: for wildlife to recover. And then it kind of you know,

908
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: it was self regulation to start with, and we had

909
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: to get hunters to buy in. Well then you know,

910
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: all the Leopold started the first UM wildlife program at

911
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and so you started states started getting UM professional

912
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: management where the hunter didn't have to self regulate as

913
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: much because now we have regulations that say, hey, you

914
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: can only take this much, but that you know the

915
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 1: essence of the hunt and doing it right and giving

916
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: the i mean fair chases. You know, how can you

917
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: have a fair chase when you have a gun? UM?

918
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: You know, the definition is the animal has has the

919
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to beat you. Is what the the idea was.

920
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean look opportunity of escape, right, and

921
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: that that is the fairer aspect. And so like some

922
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: some places where there would be no opportunity of escape

923
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: would be like, uh, an animal crossing a river and

924
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: you're in a boat. Yeah, and you know this, we've

925
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: all seen pictures of like deer swimming across the river

926
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: and like a boat just kind of like being up

927
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: beside it and like video in it, like you could

928
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: kill that animal right or in an enclosure, in an enclosure.

929
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: That that is kind of the basis. And so there

930
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: were certain things that we're we're just too easy and

931
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: and now we have a lot of talk of technology

932
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean the basis of you know,

933
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: how far is too far? How far is longer? And

934
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: shooting that's a very hard number to to come up with.

935
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you're if you're deadly

936
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: to two thousand yards, does that animal really ever have

937
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: the ability to detect you? Does he have a chance

938
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: of eluding you if you're using that technology. So that's

939
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: what we're in now. But this gets back to what

940
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: you and I were discussing earlier with the bears. Dogs

941
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: are not an unfair chase thing. I mean, that's the culture,

942
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what you know. I mean, the bear

943
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: hunters of the East, I mean, the hunter heroes of

944
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: the day, We're dog nurse. I mean it was, but

945
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: it comes to a point where what Boone and Crockett

946
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: said historically when we made this rules was the the

947
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: actual radio callers. So you you'd have your antenna and

948
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: you'd run your dogs. And if you don't, you didn't

949
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: get the bearer of the cat or whatever you were on,

950
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: you lost the dog. You could turn on that radio

951
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: collar and find that dog, which is you know again

952
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: you're not you're not using it for the hunt. You're

953
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: just maintaining your dogs. I mean, clearly they're part of

954
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: the family and their bloodlines and they're you know, highly respected.

955
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want you to just lose them. Well,

956
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: with the invent of you know, GPS collars, um, you've

957
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: got real time locations your dogs. Let's stop right there.

958
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: From so with the old radio telemetry callers, that is

959
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the ways that guys used them. Anyway,

960
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: right back in the GPS came around, I don't know

961
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: in the last fifteen years, maybe not even that long

962
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: because when I was when I was a kid in

963
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: the nineties coon hunting all the big wigs, which I

964
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: was not one at telemetry, and you put the collar

965
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: on the dog, but like once every five hunts you

966
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: would pull it outright because you wouldn't lose the dog.

967
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: You'd always know where the dog was and pull it

968
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: out and turn it on and it would point to

969
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: where and at that time we said, once that receiver

970
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: gets turned on, the fair chase aspect is over. And

971
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: so that's what we did. Well, now you have the

972
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: GPS collars that come in that we have a question

973
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: that say, we're radio collars attached to the dogs when

974
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: they were in The answer is always, you know, times

975
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: out of a hundred, yes, um, were those callers used

976
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: in the harvest of the game. And we get a

977
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: lot of questions about this and and what it comes

978
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: down to is the essence of the hunt using dogs

979
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: is fine. But you have the ability to kick out dogs,

980
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: watch that GPS receiver and not actually participate in the hunt,

981
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: miss out on on trailing the dogs the physical aspect

982
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: of it, and you can just wait until they're showing

983
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: trade and walk in. That is that is using technology.

984
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean you're not. You're not. And so we've said

985
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: that is that is the line that you can't cross.

986
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: You can't use that technology to bypass following the dogs,

987
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: keeping them an ear shot. And it's you know, you

988
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: hear your dogs go over a ridge and you pull

989
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: back to the truck and run around to the next ridge,

990
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: knowing the way you're heading. That's not a violation either.

991
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: I mean you you physically heard them, You're like, okay,

992
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: they're going here, that's part of the hunt. But it's

993
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: once you lose the dogs and you're like, okay, well

994
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: we can't hear and we don't know where they are.

995
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: You turn on that receiver and like, okay, they're over

996
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: in that hall or whatever part of the country hunting.

997
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: That's where it crosses a line. And that's what we're

998
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,479
Speaker 1: asking people is you know, if you wouldn't have turned

999
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: on the callers, you know, could you were the dog,

1000
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: were they an ear shot, would you have been able

1001
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: to follow them? Were you on foot, were you, you know,

1002
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: on in a vehicle trying to follow them on the ridge,

1003
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: listening down in these canyons, trying to stay with them,

1004
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: And we get we get a lot of questions about that,

1005
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's no, we don't want you

1006
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: to put your dogs at risk. Yes, we understand that

1007
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: there's wolves on the landscape up and you know, but

1008
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: but the essence of the hunt, you're not following technology,

1009
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: are actually following the dogs and engaged, you know. That's

1010
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: I guess the thing for a houndsman to take away

1011
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: was that if they were in a situation where they were,

1012
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, wanting to put an animal in the in

1013
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: the in the book, they would do that. Yeah, the

1014
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: way these guys use the collars, especially in hilly terrain

1015
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: is man, they're not using them like that. And do

1016
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just being honest with you. I mean, like,

1017
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: because you just like a bear. Man, I've been I

1018
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: have been seen the actual garment data of a bear

1019
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: that ran thirty six miles in a day of running. Um, Well,

1020
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: the dogs, you know, I mean, like a dog that

1021
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: they were tracking the bear. The dog was tracking the bear,

1022
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: but a bear so that far. And man, that's that's tough.

1023
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: And now you know, used to when they didn't, I

1024
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: mean they did it before they had GPS, it was

1025
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: just a lot harder. And that's the tough part is

1026
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: that it's like when technology jumps up like that and

1027
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: it's legal, it's hard not to It's hard for guys

1028
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: to want to. Um, you know, I mean it's kind

1029
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: of like traditional archery. It's kind of like here, you

1030
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: can use the rifle or you can use the tread bow.

1031
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: Very few people are gonna use the traadbow, you know,

1032
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: when they can use the rifle. But I like. I

1033
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: like that you have a way in a clear description

1034
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: for for people to um understand how they could fulfill

1035
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: the requirements of Boone and crocat you know. Yeah, well,

1036
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: I mean the anything on that too is you know, yeah,

1037
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: it's harder. But again, the the animal, it's okay to

1038
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: not get your bear, you know. And I I struggle

1039
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: with this, and we all do. We all come out

1040
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: on a hunt, We're all got these things, and you

1041
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 1: have to remind yourself the animal has a fair chase

1042
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: to escape if you're doing it right, that means he's

1043
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: gonna win and you you're not always going to come

1044
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: home with meat. And again you said it, we're sport hunters.

1045
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: You've always got to remember this. That. Yeah, through technology

1046
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: and and everything you can do, you can pretty much

1047
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: guarantee a kill. I mean, you know, for the right

1048
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: amount of money and equipment, put yourself in the right place.

1049
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah you can. You can do that. And that's is

1050
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: that really what we do this for. I mean, now

1051
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: I would disagree with the that the technology would guarantee

1052
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: the kill in in the into this like let's say

1053
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: you turn your dogs loose, turn loose the I guess,

1054
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: I guess the technology is. I'm working through this just

1055
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: in my head. I guess the technology is, Um, it's

1056
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: just helping you find your dogs, because like you can

1057
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: turn them loose and the dogs could be treated eight

1058
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: miles away, three hollows over. And I mean they caught

1059
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: the bear, you know, I mean the bear, but then

1060
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: it takes you, you know, tell dark to find them

1061
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 1: if you're just listening by ear, you know, and then

1062
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: so you go in and you can't you can't take

1063
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: the bear, you know. Um, So I guess you know

1064
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: that it's it's and I guess that goes back to

1065
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: the essence too of the houndsman, is that is the

1066
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: hounds are doing the work. And that's where it's a

1067
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: little bit of you know, it's like those guys aren't

1068
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: Those guys aren't interested in killing the bear. They're interested

1069
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: in the dogs doing the work and killing the bear.

1070
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: So I guess that's where it's a fine line, because

1071
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: the technology is just helping you follow the dog. Now

1072
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: in an outfitted hunt like where this guy has no

1073
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: connection to the to the dogs, and he's literally just

1074
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: interested in killing an animal. That's not a bad thing,

1075
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: and my sense a bad thing like that guy is

1076
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: different than the guy that's raising those hounds. You know

1077
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: what I mean, It's it's a big ask to like say,

1078
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: don't usually make this like twenty times harder? You know. Anyway,

1079
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking that it is. It is. It's a squad.

1080
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: You know what what's cool about Boone and Crockett is

1081
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: that you guys are trying to be relevant inside of

1082
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: changing times, which we all are. Uh. I love it

1083
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: that what you just said, I think is the thing

1084
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: the key in on is that using dogs because I

1085
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: think sometimes people might think that other people if if

1086
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: you were looking at hound stuff from like a persecution mentality,

1087
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: which sometimes we do, it's not the hounds that make

1088
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: the hounds are absolutely I mean, you guys recognize that

1089
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: houndsmen are incredible. I mean, they're outdoorsmen, they are they're

1090
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's not the hounds that would make

1091
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: something not fair chase exactly. The technology and and and

1092
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: that's one that I mean, some people are gonna listen

1093
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: to this and say, oh, that's bullcrap. Some people are

1094
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: gonna listen to it, and I hope they just understand

1095
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: the intent. You guys, intent is to protect the fair

1096
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: chase aspect of the sport, and whether you agree with

1097
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: the technicalities of what you come up with, that's kind

1098
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: of irrelevant. The idea is that we do have to

1099
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: protect fair chase. Yeah you can't. You know that, what's

1100
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: the statistics of the population doesn't hunt but supports it.

1101
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: And and that's the biggest thing is that that's where

1102
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: the fair chase thing comes in. And in my opinion,

1103
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: which you know, not not the club and as a whole,

1104
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: but me personally. I mean, that's our biggest fight. We

1105
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: have to conduct ourselves ethically and and police ourselves. We

1106
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: can't be doing things that that the lay person finds offensive,

1107
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, and justifying our own mind. We need to say,

1108
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: you know what, what is too far? You know? What

1109
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: is what is the line that that no longer the

1110
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: animal has a chance to escape? You know? Where? Where

1111
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: are you? Where are you sacrificing woodman woodsmanship for technology?

1112
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: You know? And And now that's a booger because I

1113
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard me say it before, but

1114
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: when guys start dogging on me about bait and bears,

1115
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: I go, okay, you take me with a bucket full

1116
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: of bait and a bow and arrow, and you go

1117
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: with on X hunt maps. This is like an on

1118
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: X commercial because basically I'm equating on X to be

1119
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: in like using technology. I mean, holy smokes, these new technologies.

1120
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you're kidding yourself if you don't think that

1121
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: is it credible? I mean being able to mark way

1122
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: points across canyons and to be able to go into

1123
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: these deep places. I mean, like me hunting the West,

1124
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: not being familiar with this, for me being able to

1125
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: turn on the little track thing track into track myself

1126
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: and to know how to get back out of there.

1127
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: Now that that's a that's a booker, because that that

1128
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: is massive tech. And I'm not I'm saying use the

1129
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: heck out of it, but I'm saying, you know, just

1130
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: like anything in life, you know, you have to draw

1131
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: the line, and then when you draw that line, there's

1132
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: a way to go. Well, if that's on that side

1133
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: of the line, then that's on that side of the

1134
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: line too, and you can't you can't win it. Y'all

1135
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. You know what I mean. I

1136
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: dealt without. I was in Arizona, had a buddy with

1137
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: me that he just was long for the riot. He

1138
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a you know, he's not a big hunter. I

1139
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: mean he's hunted, but he just more up for an adventure.

1140
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: And so we drive down there and get down there

1141
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: in the area that I'd scouted online. It wasn't as

1142
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: good when he got boots on the grounds. We're going

1143
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: to this new area and you know, I'm watching my GPS,

1144
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm watching on X, I'm watching everything. I know the

1145
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: elevation that they are going to be at, I know

1146
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: what I've looked at ahead of time, and I'm on

1147
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: dialed in on this. And I get to this spot

1148
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: and we're gonna camp here and you know whatever, and

1149
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: sure enough, we find deer. The next day, kill an

1150
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: ice buck, you know. And we're driving out and there's

1151
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: somebody set up long range shooting with a tent and

1152
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: they got their gun and their range finder. And I

1153
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: start grumbling about, oh, that's not unfair, Chaffe, you know

1154
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: a little bit judge, and uh my buddy looks at me.

1155
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: He goes, okay, Mr GPS on X everything, and it

1156
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: it made me think about it and that and that's

1157
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: all people that really need to do to I mean, clearly,

1158
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: don't break any laws like that. That's not ever okay,

1159
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: But it's a personal choice. And and it's the country

1160
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: you're in is you know, you don't feel like it's

1161
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: it's making it too easy. You know, that's fine, But

1162
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: there's I mean, you know, the the we bear hunting

1163
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: term classic garbage bear. You go to a garbage dome,

1164
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a bear there. Yeah, that's I mean,

1165
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: not a guaranteed kill. But you're greatly up in your

1166
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: odds and taking a shortcut. Some people are okay with it,

1167
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 1: some people aren't. That's that personal decision. Fair chase goes

1168
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: beyond the law. Hunting, hunting ethics goes beyond what is legal,

1169
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: and U and I think all of us have a

1170
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: way inside of our own I mean, everybody knows their

1171
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: own unique challenges. Like I know what I'm up against

1172
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: when I come to Montana on a bear hunt, and

1173
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: I choose to make the weapon not the limiting factor. Right,

1174
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: I carry a rifle that will shoot a long ways.

1175
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean for me, a long ways. Um for me,

1176
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: that's that is enough restriction that that bear has a

1177
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: lot of chance to get away from me, and he

1178
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: does most of the time. Well, you know the other

1179
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: thing I mean, I always tell bow hunters, I go,

1180
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: there's there's no rule that says you can't shoot a

1181
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: bear in bow range with a rifle. You know, All

1182
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: all the bears I've killed in Montana have been less

1183
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: than twenty yards, every single one of them. Um, you know.

1184
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: And I I've taken longer shots on things, and I

1185
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: and then some of my biggest regrets, and some of

1186
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: them were very successful, good long shots. But looking back

1187
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: on it, I'm like, I should have tried to get

1188
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: a little closer, given that credit, more of a chance

1189
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: to detect me. Um, you know. But again, it's a

1190
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: personal thing, and you're thinking about it. That's the other

1191
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: thing too. I mean, if you're out there consciously being

1192
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: like is this legitimate? Am I am I giving the

1193
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: animal respect it needs? You're you're in the right mindset.

1194
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: If you find yourself slightly to one side or the

1195
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: other of a fair chase requirement for record book entry,

1196
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: that's not that's not the end of the world. That

1197
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: that's just be thinking about it. Are you respectful? Are you?

1198
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,959
Speaker 1: Are you treating this animal with their respect it needs?

1199
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they face extinction. I mean, everything we've dealt

1200
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: with we're in time. Now, I mean, how do you

1201
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: sell fair chase to somebody, you know on the East

1202
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: coast that that the deer are overrun and they can't

1203
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: kill enough. You know, how do you how do you

1204
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: tell them that this nuisance that are overpopulated and you know,

1205
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: have disease issues and are causing accidents. How can you

1206
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: explain to them that the way that we hunt that matters.

1207
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: It's a tough time, but you know, yeah, well I

1208
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: think we've got it. We we have to be concerned

1209
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: with optics, we um inside of modern times, you know,

1210
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: so like if things and not that we base our

1211
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: lives off perception. I mean, some people will never understand

1212
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 1: why we would kill a wild animal. And I mean

1213
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: we're not gonna stop killing wild animals just because somebody

1214
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: thinks it's bad. Like we know the science, we know,

1215
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: we have the history, we know the quality of the meat.

1216
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: We're not So there's some things that you don't use

1217
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: that evaluate or for, you know, like public per se.

1218
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: Some some things are just like this is just who

1219
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: we are. If you don't like it, you're gonna have

1220
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: to figure out another way to look because this is

1221
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: what we're gonna be doing. But there's the other side

1222
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: of it where yeah, we have to massively be concerned

1223
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: with optics. So that's where you get into those gray

1224
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: areas of technology, and I think we have to be

1225
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: we have to tell the narration of why and how

1226
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: we're using those things in the right way. I mean, like,

1227
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, somebody could hear that you know, such and

1228
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: such took up five thirty yard shot at a bull elk. Well,

1229
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: maybe that's not the part of the story that you

1230
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: put on Instagram. Maybe the part of the story you

1231
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: put on Instagram is that you hunted for six days

1232
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: and you passed up smaller bulls and you you know,

1233
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: camped on the landscape with your dad and your son.

1234
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying. I mean, like sometimes

1235
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: that these things are you know, it's it's all about

1236
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: the way the story is told. You know too well,

1237
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: and this is the way you think about it. I

1238
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: mean again with with your example, there that shot distance

1239
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: that makes it about you, not the animals. I mean

1240
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,479
Speaker 1: when when when when when your picture has a little

1241
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: sign you're holding up with a distance, it's a target

1242
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: you've you've you've reduced that animal to nothing. It's about

1243
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: you and it's humans. Inevitably, it's going to be about them.

1244
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: But at the same time, man, that's you gotta you

1245
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,439
Speaker 1: gotta remember that you're you're just participating in the food chain.

1246
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's not just dissipating in the food.

1247
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: It's not just about you. It's it's it's about the animal.

1248
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: It's about the experience. It's about you know, the random

1249
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: rock you find, or that this cool little weasel that

1250
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: runs up on the you know, stump next to you

1251
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: and you know, runs across your leg. I mean, that's

1252
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: that's all part of it. It's not you know, I

1253
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: have the ability to deliver a shot at five thirty

1254
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: yards on a bull elk that you you've you've minimized

1255
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: the whole experience. And I know, even are you made

1256
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: it somewhat offensive to even those of us that hunt,

1257
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: Like you know, I like, I said, those longer shots.

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Speaker 1: Put something on Facebook and one of my buddies messages

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01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: and Me's like, oh, great, buck man, how far of

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01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: a shot? And I was like, it was too far?

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's four and seventy yards or something like that.

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01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: And I go, but because why don't you put that

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01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: out there? Because it's not about me. It's about this

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01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: critter and the hunt and the country we're in and

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01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: who I was with, and you know, the weather and

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01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: all the adversity and the flat tires and all the

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01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, all the experience. And it's like again, as

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: long as you're analyzing what you're doing and deciding is

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01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: about you or is it about the animal? Again, your

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01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: your mind's in the right place. Yes, you know, I

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01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: think what's beneficial about a conversation like this justin is it?

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01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: It just gets it gets your mind thinking in a

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01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: certain way. You know, it's not about it's not about rules.

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01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, because we are specifically talking

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01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: about some rules with Ben Crockett, but but it's about

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01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if nothing else these I mean, somebody's got

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01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: to define fair chase. I mean. And and that's that's

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01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: the controversial role that Boone and Crockett has taken for

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01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: the last hundred and fifty years. Somebody had to do it.

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01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: There's a line in the sound there. And and you

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01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: know what, when when you have to draw a line

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01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: in the sand, you're gonna take some criticism. But you

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01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: guys are doing it and you're in the arena and

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: that's what that's what's awesome. So I have Yeah, I

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: think that's that's great. And so a conversation like this,

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01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: I think, can you know, there's certain people that are

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01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: already thinking like this. The challenge in modern times is

1288
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: to get the you know, there's all in any group

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01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: of people, there's always a core group of people, and

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01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: then there's like the other eight percent and the other

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01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: other eighty percent aren't bad people, it's not it's not

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01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: that they're they're just not into it as much as

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01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: the twenty. You know, there's all any any group. You

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01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: could take a classroom full of eighth graders, or you

1295
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 1: could take a church, or you could take this or that,

1296
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: and like there always seems to be like it's like, well,

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01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: what we've got to do is make the whole thing

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01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: saturated with like core philosophy. Does that make sense? So, like,

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01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: get the common guy that just buys a hunting license

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01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: and goes to camp for one weekend a year. That

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01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: dude is super valuable to conservation because he has purchased

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01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: hunting license, he is by an ammunition, he is contributing

1303
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: to Pittman Robertson, He's doing all the same stuff that

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: me and you and Becker are doing, and he's a

1305
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: valuable contributor. But what we've got to do is is

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01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: get those guys thinking, for for whatever space they occupy

1307
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 1: in the hunting industry, hunting world, not the industry, you know,

1308
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: to start thinking about these things. And and I think

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01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: that's how culture shift. Like if we're trying to shift

1310
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: the hunting culture to this more thoughtful, intentional, um grateful

1311
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: group of people that can really explain our story in

1312
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: a real authentic human way, then the conversations like this

1313
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: are good. It just gets people thinking in a certain vein. Well,

1314
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, the other the other thing to think about

1315
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: too that we that we have is Boone and croc

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01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,560
Speaker 1: at the minimumentaries are most people are never going to

1317
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: see that. But that doesn't mean that you can't hunt

1318
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: a forkard horn with fair chase mentality. We fight that

1319
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: a lot. And you know, you even said it. You know, well,

1320
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: if you're trying to get something in the book, doesn't

1321
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: matter about the book, doesn't matter about anything. It's the

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01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: ethic that you go out there, and that's what what

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01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: our mission is. From the ethnic side of things. No

1324
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: matter what you're doing, you've got to You've got to

1325
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: be thinking about the how. It's not just you know,

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: and yeah, okay, you're you're hunting this big bowl and

1327
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: you want to get it in the book and that'd

1328
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: be cool, and that's a life goal and whatever. You

1329
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: sure that that's that's fine. You know, that's that's what

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: keeps me in a job. But at the same time, man,

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01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, that same ethic should be applied to everything.

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01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, my my dad said it

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01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: to me. With the hunt all over, they were not

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01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: shooting boot and Crockett deer. We'll use radios because it's

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: legal and Oregon No, no, it doesn't matter. If you're

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: the best yer, you're gonna see a hundred and forty

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01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: inchineery inchineer, an eight inchineer. You know, it's it's it's

1338
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: every everything we do it and you know you you

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01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: I just read that article that you had about Mr. Eldridge,

1340
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: that you did that interview your you knew it's Bear

1341
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: Hunting magazine. I was reading that and you can see

1342
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: it in him. It's it's it's it's classy. It's there's

1343
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 1: a way to be a hunter, a respected hunter, treat

1344
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,799
Speaker 1: the wildlife you know, work on your skills, sacrifice success.

1345
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, your your Instagram following may not appreciate

1346
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: you as much as if you only have one or

1347
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: two kill photos of year versus twenty. But at the

1348
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 1: end of the day, the class that you're that you're

1349
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: putting out and who you are and how hunters are viewed,

1350
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: it's far more important that you could worry abou out

1351
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:04,440
Speaker 1: the wire, the the y and what not more than yeah,

1352
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: you know the end result. Yes, that's good. What do

1353
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: you think? No, I think I'm just thankful that he

1354
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: gives time talk about gave just the time to talk

1355
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: about this because important stuffing. I know, you you know,

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01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: I wish um. But yeah, it's just really important for

1357
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: hunters to keep this in the top of their mind,

1358
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: I think. And I think it's just to be aware

1359
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: that this is you know, probably integral to the future

1360
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: over sport too, in the future of wildlife. I mean,

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01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: if if hunting goes away, that's that's a lot of

1362
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: dollars that are not going to our wildlife, you know.

1363
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: And we talked about funding of the North American model

1364
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: and everything, and we we need to do some work.

1365
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of uses and a lot

1366
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: of wildlife and a lot of folks out there now

1367
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: that maybe aren't paying their fair share of hunting. But

1368
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: you know that hunting does. But at the same time, man,

1369
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: hunting goes away. Dude, all your state wildlife management areas,

1370
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: all these things that fall under the umbrella of the

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01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: what the game agency that's gone, you know. And so

1372
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: it's not just oh I'm entitled to this, or oh

1373
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: you know this deers on my property. I don't have

1374
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: to buy a license, No, man, this is the whole

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01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: system that built wildlife we had and built the country

1376
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: we had. So yeah, yeah, excellent Becca closing closing thoughts

1377
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: on my brain is springbaring turkeys because turkeys keep kicking

1378
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: my butt this season. So I got this trip on

1379
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: my shoulder, on my shoulder, are you letting the turkeys

1380
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: determined the the fair chase of these hunts just by

1381
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: how good they are keeping so intelligent. I just I

1382
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: need some unfair advantage, I guess, I don't know. Yeah,

1383
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: you need some dogs with radio collars, turkey dogs. Yeah,

1384
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: it turns out I'm a really bad turkey hunter, but

1385
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: destin't got one, and it was delicious. And now I

1386
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: really want another one? Got it? Yeah, you got a

1387
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: little bit of time. Yeah see yeah, more meat on

1388
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: a bear. Bears are just starting to get cranking here,

1389
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: I think. Um so yeah, looking forward to some sunny

1390
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: weather and some barriers on the hillsides. Yeah yeah, a

1391
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: couple of dozen tecks a day. Yeah, there's that. You

1392
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: gotta hit it. I did. I do pretty good with

1393
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: that stuff. Well, thank you guys so much. And you know,

1394
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: I always say that sometimes people don't see the relevancy

1395
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: and joining organizations. You know, it's just like, well I'm

1396
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: not It's just you know, I don't know. They just

1397
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: let things lapse. And part of our I think part

1398
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: of our responsibility inside of Hunters is being uh financial

1399
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: contributors and just being team players. And I think that's

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01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: why it's important to be like be a member of

1401
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: the Boon and Cracket Club, be a member of Sportsman's Alliance. Um,

1402
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's certain groups and not you know, I

1403
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: know how humans work, I know how I work. You know,

1404
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: I can't be a member of like thirty organizations. I'm

1405
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: just not that well organized. But man, pick three organizations

1406
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 1: and be dedicated to them for the rest of your

1407
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: life and that those organizations could change over time. But

1408
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, the guy that I meet that's a big

1409
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: hunter and it's not a member of something, I'm just like, dude,

1410
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: you're just that's just irresponsible. It's not that hard, and

1411
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: it's it's like and to me, that's the that's the

1412
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: place where if we're a minority of people, which we are,

1413
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean, hunters are like four point five cent of

1414
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: the US population something like that, I're we're the minority

1415
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: and in in in the activities that we do. Um,

1416
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: you gotta be on your a game if you want

1417
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: to stay relevant. And to me, that means a game

1418
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 1: means strong unification, and that strong unification comes inside of

1419
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: being members stuff, you know. And I always I always

1420
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: talk about the Sportsman's Alliance. I think they're a great

1421
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: group to talk about. Boone and Crockett and I talk

1422
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: about all the state associations that you could be members

1423
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: of that are defending the rights of what you like,

1424
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: whether it's a bear association in your in your state,

1425
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: or or there's innumerable nonprofit hunting conservation organizations. UM, but

1426
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: be a member, and those that you're a member of,

1427
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: stay engaged, stay engaged. I mean b b be the

1428
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: expert when a conversation on something that you're passionate comes

1429
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: up about. Don't be ignorant to what's going on in

1430
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: these organizations, these publications, all this stuff. I mean, that's

1431
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: that's what we're driving to do. Here's the conservation issues,

1432
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: here's what we need to do. Here's our concerns, you know.

1433
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: So be a member and stay engaged with it, you know,

1434
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: and you have a question to ask. We love questions.

1435
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: So yep, all right, well, thank you guys so much.

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01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: Great conversation. Thanks again, Clay, always enjoy it. Yes, keep

1437
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: the wild places wild because that's where of the bearers

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01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: and the muscogs and the wolverines, weasels h