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Speaker 1: All right, the twenty twenty one NFL Draft in the Books,

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Speaker 1: Joined by Daniel Popper of The Athletic and making his

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Speaker 1: roundtable debut, Michael Peterson bolts from the blue, gentleman, how

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Speaker 1: are we doing. It's been a it's been a heck

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Speaker 1: of a long three days, but it's been fun. I'm delirious. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: it was something like that. You know, it was a long,

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Speaker 1: long wind up to the draft, and then the draft

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Speaker 1: gets here and you realize that's a whole other animal.

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Speaker 1: So no, it's it's been a long time. So Pop,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you do your your victory lap regarding

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Speaker 1: your mock draft in a second. But let's go with

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Speaker 1: the with the rookie first, Michael, you're just overalls. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Michael first and get his overall

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Speaker 1: pressures of Day three before we let you, uh bragg

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Speaker 1: on your own mock draft. Yeah. So, looking at Day three,

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Speaker 1: m this was a day that I knew it was

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Speaker 1: going to be wild. A lot of analysts didn't think

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Speaker 1: there was a ton of talent to be had on

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Speaker 1: Day three, as opposed to you know, maybe the last

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Speaker 1: year where a lot of position groups were super deep,

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Speaker 1: but the Chargers did a really good job of nailing

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Speaker 1: a lot of their knees that were still up on

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Speaker 1: the board after the first two days. You look at

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Speaker 1: edge rusher Chris Rump, you look at another depth tackle

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Speaker 1: to provide depth for Slater and compete with Tray Pitkins there.

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Speaker 1: And then they kind of were going for some athletes

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Speaker 1: You look at Larry roundshere, a guy who falls forward

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Speaker 1: getting those tough yardages. And then Mark Webb in a

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Speaker 1: in a safety group that had three bodies coming into

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Speaker 1: the draft. That was a big time for them to

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Speaker 1: come away with at least one safety in this draft.

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Speaker 1: All right, paper, go ahead. It was good. I mean

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Speaker 1: pretty amazing. It was pretty amazing. No, you guys from

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Speaker 1: the beginning to be humble. I'm just gonna be very

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Speaker 1: humble here. You know, everyone gets lucky. Now, Hell now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. So here's what happened. Mock Draft

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Speaker 1: two point zero. I had Slater going at thirteen and

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Speaker 1: I had a Sante Samuel Junior going at forty seven.

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Speaker 1: So that's two hits. Mock Draft three point zero, I

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Speaker 1: had Chris Rump to the Chargers in round five. Mock

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Speaker 1: going to the Chargers. That was a hit, and then

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Speaker 1: four point zero I also had Nick Neeman going to

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Speaker 1: Chargers in the sixth round. So I got the player

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Speaker 1: and the round correct. So I'd like to thank my mother.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to thank the academy, and yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's all. That's everyone. I'd like to thank. That's ever,

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Speaker 1: but especially the academy. No, but in all seriousness, they

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Speaker 1: I felt like they had a very specific set of

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Speaker 1: talk about, oh we're gonna draft best player available. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna draft best player available. That is true to an extent, right,

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Speaker 1: you're drafting the best players available at specific positions of

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Speaker 1: the need. I think it Chargers did a really good

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Speaker 1: They got a really good player in Chris Rump who

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Speaker 1: Obviously the top two picks were no brainers. They found

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Speaker 1: So you look at the Senior Bowl and yes, you

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Speaker 1: it just makes too much sense, you know, in a

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Speaker 1: just think it is a great idea Popper, take Asante,

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Speaker 1: It's times. This is a guy and you know, Brandon

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Speaker 1: Thorne is that standing offensive line evaluator. He runs a

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Speaker 1: I felt like they could have gone for an offensive

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Speaker 1: aren't developmental projects, right, These are guys that got drafted

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Speaker 1: So no shocker here. My favorite pick was the Chargers

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Speaker 1: taking a second offensive linement. No, no one on earth

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Speaker 1: they did it. Yeah. I was just gonna say, the

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Speaker 1: So looking back, I know we're not talking about Slater

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Speaker 1: at trade McKinny here. Now, this is a guy when

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Speaker 1: be honest, he was underutilized as a pass catcher both

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Speaker 1: But you know, the postseason interview, the preject interview. One

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Speaker 1: both McKitty and Palmer that should be out here in

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks Chris, Thanks Chris,