WEBVTT - How Swat Teams Work 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.480 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:16.400 from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:20.360 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and Charles Chuck Bryant's with 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.600 me as usual. It just wouldn't be the same if 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.919 you weren't, That's what I hear. Yeah, um, thankfully for 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:32.239 me and me. Oh sweetie, So that means this is 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.120 stuff you should know, all right, Chuck the podcast The 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.600 Legend Lives on. Yeah, we thought about a name change recently, 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.200 but we figured we'd just stick with it. Yeah, stuff 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.800 you should know. Yes, we thought about a name change. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:46.800 I just made that up. Okay, I was gonna say 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.640 you never see see me on any emails anymore? Yeah, yeah, 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:56.440 So Chuck has a swat team ever rated your house? No? 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:58.920 I did have a cop come to my door one 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.040 time in Athens, so for what. I don't know why. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.200 Actually I don't remember. I just remember being woken up 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.360 and there was a cop at the door, and I 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.560 can't remember exactly why he was coming by. It was 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.520 a mistake, clearly, but I also, you know, didn't fully 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.039 open the door. If you know what I'm saying. You 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.000 are you making air quotes that you don't remember. It 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.840 was a mistake, it really was. I don't honestly don't 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.679 remember why he showed up. I just remember thinking, I'm 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.000 just going to crack the door here and see what 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.760 this cop wants. Have you been arrested? No? Really does 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.319 that surprise you a little bit? Yeah? I mean you 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.440 went to college in Athens, l A. For a while. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.960 I mean I did get shaken down in front of 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.520 the Georgia Theater one night, like against the wall, frist 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:47.520 because there was no reasons. They're always shaking people down. Yeah, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.440 I mean they literally had no reason. They put all 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.240 of our friends up against the wall, like stop the 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.440 car and just jumped out, and as we were leaving 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.360 a show. I think Georgia Theater being in the vicinity 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.200 of it was probably cause under law in Athens it 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.040 was weird. And then they left as soon as they came, 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.640 they just like left. It's so odd. Well, luckily for you, 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.240 you didn't die of a heart attack, you weren't shot 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.960 in the chest, you weren't shot three times. No, um, 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.280 had it been a swat team that shook you down 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.280 or came to your door. All of these things may 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.640 have happened. I might have been too tapped. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.200 what swat teams are, chuck, We should probably get to 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:27.399 that finally, right, Yes, swat teams are um, specially trained 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:33.280 and specially equipped and armed divisions of police departments, heavily armed. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.359 Very Yeah. A lot of their stuff is cobbled together 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.520 through um uh military surplus. Yeah. I didn't realize that. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.120 I didn't either. Pretty cool thanks to the grabster who 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.280 wrote yet another fine article. Yeah, he's one of the 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.280 faiths around here. He is. He's a good guy and 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:54.320 ironically neither one of us have ever met him. No, like, yeah, yeah, 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.200 I don't want to spoil it for you though. Yeah. 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.400 I don't like doing that. I like keeping like a 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.000 non image or seen with a beard. Does he have 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.840 a beard? He does, But we get that a lot 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.880 when people see pictures of us, they right in and 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:09.680 to express their displeasure, which is always were obtuse. Yeah. Uh, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.880 Special Weapons and Tactics Josh is the name now, but 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:18.320 what was it originally? Special Weapons Attack Team. Yeah, they 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:22.679 realized it was a little too aggressive sounding a little bit. Yeah, so, um, 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.639 the the the guy who came up with the original 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.399 name Special Weapons Attack Team. Right, was a guy named 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.400 Daryl Gates who was police chief of l A p 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.280 D for a very very long time while you were there, 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.600 in fact, there during Rodney King incident. Now my brother 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.640 was though, Yeah, was he anywhere near like south Central? Um, Well, 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.960 it happened all over. He saw he was in the 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.720 area of the riots. And you know clearly stayed in 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.360 his apartment. Okay, so your brother's not Reginald Denny Good. Yeah, 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.320 that'd be bad. I hope that guy's doing all right. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.920 But yeah, me too. Um. But Gates didn't actually uh 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.600 invent the swat team. He's falsely credited with that. He 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.000 did champion the idea. I get the impression that a 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.800 front of his or somebody lower on or I should 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.960 say higher on the totem pole, came up with that idea, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.680 and being in a position of authority, Uh, he was 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.560 still a high ranking officer then, although not yet police chief, 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.360 Gates said this is a great idea. So he assembled 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.960 the world's first swat team, or at the very least 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.719 the United States first swat team, l ap D leading 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:36.479 the way as usual. Right, they also brought us with bribery, corruption, planning, weapons, brutality, 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:41.280 brutality of long history of bad things. Yeah, they've cleaned 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.839 it up, though I think now have they Supposedly they 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.240 they every decade they've cleaned it up, and then something 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.560 horrible happened, and they've cleaned it up. Then fifty horrible 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.880 things happened. But again they are credited with coming up 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.799 with the first swat team in America. That was seven. 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.680 So they sat around for two years and waited until 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.800 an organization known as the Black Panthers UM did not 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.360 want the l a p d To enter when they 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.599 came a knocking on some gun warrants that their headquarters. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:16.400 One of their first encounters that in the Simbionese Liberation Army. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.080 Right actually read accounts of these these two things, that 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.480 the Black Panthers standoff in sixty nine and the s 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:31.880 l A standoff in seventy four, UM were days long, right. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.080 They In the s l A stand off, they they 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.320 shot tear gas into the house. Nothing, they just really 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.279 turned fire. Everybody either died of gunshot wounds or burned 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.400 in the fire. The Black Panthers all made it out alive, 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.919 but this was after several days too. And in both cases, 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:54.320 both sides fired several thousand rounds at one another. Yeah, 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.120 that's a serious standoff. So yeah, and this is um 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:02.080 It definitely remains in the the mentality of the l 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.280 A p D SWAT team because they have an unofficial 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.960 patch that has forty one and fifty four. Uh. The 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.760 Black Panthers headquarters where the standoff took place was at 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.400 forty one Street, and then the s l A standoff 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:20.680 was at fifty four and I think Compton Avenue, Yeah, exactly. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.360 I mean like this created it. At the very least, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.400 it showed the world that you do need SWAT teams, 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.400 because up to this point, before the SWAT teams were created, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.960 any officer who came up on a scene was expected 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.000 to resolve the problem sure with you know, I mean, 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:42.880 I wouldn't say minimal firearms, but certainly not special especially equipped. Right. 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:47.599 And then in n UM the I don't remember what 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.760 what network it was on, but SWAT came out. Cops 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.560 show about SWAT teams. Oh, is he in it? Yeah? 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.080 I never saw it. I saw the horrible, horrible remake, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.040 the view version. Yeah, I didn't see that with Sam 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.240 Jackson and Colin Farrell. I didn't see that. That's a 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.360 deadly combination. Now, was that a remaker? Was it drinking 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.600 water in rural Mexico? But in movie form, you know what? 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:15.840 Sam Jackson and Colin Farrell. Yeah, yeah, Sam Jackson's almost 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.720 a parody of himself at this point. Yeah, he has 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.000 been the whole time. We just didn't catch on at first. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.400 Is that what I was think? So, Uh, let's talk 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.680 a little bit about how many there are in the country. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.680 Supposedly there are about twelve hundred swat teams in the 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:37.320 United States, and of police forces in cities of fifty 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.800 thousand or more have some kind of swat team. Not bad, no, 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.720 not at all. Smaller towns, yeah, which is uh, pretty 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:51.640 much everybody. I think there's twelve across the country. Um, 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:56.000 and some cities, smaller towns um have kind of gotten 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.600 together with other nearby smaller towns and have been like, hey, 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.120 Wolf own a few swat team members in some equipment. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.160 You guys do the same. We'll have a regional swat team. Right, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.280 I've got two point men if you've got a sniper, 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.640 and they'll just collecting Harry Potter trading cards with real 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.920 life swat team member, right, I never thought about that. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.440 So what do they use these people for, Chuck, this 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:25.280 this elite group of technically trained, heavily armed paramilitary police officers. Well, Josh, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:29.239 there's quite a few scenarios. A high risk warrant obviously, 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.160 if they're going to serve a warrant to a known 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:36.040 violent felon who may have a gun or armament, right, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.360 they want to bring in the swat team any kind 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:43.040 of hostage situation or barricade situation obviously. Um, a high 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.720 risk person is when someone needs to be transported like 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:53.400 some nasty sereal Henry Hill, and obviously terrorist attacks or riots, 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.720 you call him the swat team, yeah, or the riot crew, 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.920 which we should do. Uh, this made me want to 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.760 do one on riot control. Actually we should do that. 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.760 It's point cracking heads. Oh is that how they do it, 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.760 cracking hippies heads? Yeah, hippies. We should do that because 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.800 we could talk about the Battle for Seattle in Yeah, 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.200 my friend was there. Yeah, that's right. I think you 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.920 said that inciting the riot throwing bricks and funny funny 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.480 signs that he held up like Simpsons references and are 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:26.319 kind of guy. Alright, So look for riot control coming up. Right. Indeed, um, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.160 so check there's about forty swat raids in the US 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.679 every year. Yeah, that's a lot, didn't it. Yeah, I 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.040 didn't realize that it's growing and growing in the last 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.320 twenty five years. It's increased now. Is that because they're 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.760 a little more trigger happy, or because there's more swat guys, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.160 or there because there's more situations that need it for 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.120 all three? Probably it's probably all three plus a little 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.559 bit of um looser federal funding coming in than there 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.280 ever was before. The Department of Homeland securities around. They 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.840 have deep pockets, so the police station might say, wow, sure, 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.520 let's get that tank since we have the dough nice. Yeah, 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.920 although it's really not a tank. Yeah, well we should 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:07.480 talk about that. Actually, it says a lot of times 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:12.360 the vehicles are are transformed into swat vehicles. So they'll 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.200 just take like a delivery van and arm it painted 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.960 black and throw some bat shields up on it, and 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.520 all of a sudden, that's a that's an armed vehicle. Yeah, 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.640 and a lot of times it sees stuff. Yeah, sometimes 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.000 they use r vs. Um I love this park, Go ahead, 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:28.880 I know where you're going where it'll be like a 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:33.600 mobile command headquarters. The reason it's so valuable is really obvious, 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.120 but it's easy to overlook because they have a bathroom. Yeah, 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.680 I never see in the movies. You never see the 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.000 hostage standoff where the guy says, I have to go 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.720 take a leak. Yeah, you you stay there way when 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.000 you're gun don't shoot anybody while I'm gone. You've never 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.240 see anyone sneeze or go to the bathroom anything like 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.640 that unless it's important to the film, right, And a 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.680 lot of times they'll use these transports, though heavily armed, 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:00.000 to like actually carry the SWAT team members into an assault. Um. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:04.560 But it doesn't always work. Um. In Night After German 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:08.920 terrorists sees the Nakatomi Building in Los Angeles, the L 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.160 a p D. SWAT Team used their heavily armored vehicle 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.800 to try to breach the door to the building and 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:19.360 they were fired upon by the terrorists using a rocket launcher, 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.560 which I think killed or injured everyone inside. Chi stay finsta, yeh, 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.000 ask me what that means? What does that mean? Shoot 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.640 the glass? Okay? Thanks now? And if no one out 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.400 there realizes that we're talking clearly about the movie die Hard, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.080 then wah, you really need to get out more at 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.680 least want more movies. Yeah, absolutely, all right, Chuck, Let's 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.520 get down to basics here, dude. Okay, we've gotten so 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.199 far Afield it's ridiculous. No, not really, not as bad 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.240 as we did with the whole g I, Joe, Tirade 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:54.160 and Ninja. Yea, yeah. Um, how do you become a 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.760 SWAT Team member? Well, Josh, there's different ways you can 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.880 become a member. You obviously have to be a police officer, 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.480 and uh many times you can volunteer if you just 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.840 want the extra action and you feel like you're capable, 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.680 or you're a really good marksman or just a tough guy. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.880 Sometimes though, you are actually forced into duty. Yeah, you know, 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.120 there's couple of years of service. It's um, it's like 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.679 a uh as a point in a police officer's career, 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.920 like you start as rookie, you've worked to be, you know, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.400 and then maybe at some point you're a detective and 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.680 then after that a swatter. Maybe those are good version. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.640 But yeah, some on some forces you're expected to eventually 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.560 be a SWAP member for a little while. On um 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:41.959 smaller uh scales, SWAT Team members will be regular police 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.640 officers as well. Or just driving around like looking for 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.400 bad guys or whatever, and then there's a there's a 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.800 call out, which is what they're called, um and then 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.320 they'll go and get their stuff and get ready. Right 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.040 in places like l A, New York, their SWAT teams 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.439 are like just SWAP members seven. They train all the time. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:06.080 They're they're very well funded, very heavily armed. Uh, and 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.360 that is the SWAT team that we generally think of 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.599 when we think of swap, right, yeah, So how do 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.840 they get to be this way? I mean, clearly they're 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.319 they're badasses, but they have to go through training, right Yeah, 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.520 And like you said, the training never ends when you're 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.679 like kind of being in the military. You don't stop training. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.000 You're constantly training because you gotta keep up the physical fitness. Uh. 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.560 You should be an expert marksman, although it's not absolutely required, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.360 I think it is in a lot of like the 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.439 ones where they're SWAT teams said, I think that they 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.720 do require them to be such expert marksman that they're 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.559 they're automatically qualified to teach marksman courses. Right. I believe 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.120 master marksman is the term we're looking for, which makes sense. Sure, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.080 So what they do here obviously is set up scenarios 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:50.760 to practice. You know when you see in the movies 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.320 when they have the fake city scene or the fake 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.679 house and then they push the button and outcomes a 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.920 dummy of a of a bad guy academy. Yeah, or 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.400 outcomes the dummy of a lady holding a child, and 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.360 invariably in the movie that they shoot the lady by 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:11.120 accident and they have to start. That's really how it 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.400 goes down though. Yeah. Yeah, which makes a lot of 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.760 sense because, as the Grabs are points out in the article, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.000 sitting around and talking about what you should do is 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.240 not really good training. You need high levels of training 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.080 or computer sunds. They do that too, sure, which I 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.840 think usually require you walking around with the gun as well. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.760 They to do Yeah, okay, I don't think it's just 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.680 like a joystick. I think you're in a room where 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.160 it simulates like the mannequins coming out gun right, But 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.400 instead it's like all the characters from a sonic the Hedgehog. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.960 So Chuck, we've got gun training. Uh. There's often um, well, 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.760 I shouldn't say often in some cases, specifically with the 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.360 l A. P. D Um. There's also a lot of 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:57.040 hostage negotiation training as well. Uh, in most places keep 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.880 SWAT and hostage negotiation totally separate. They don't want them 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.640 to mix. They actually probably want them to butt heads 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.200 a little bit so that there's real discourse about whether 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.080 or not to go in with guns blazing or to 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.480 try to resolve the situation through negotiation. Right. But in 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:16.840 the l A p D SWAT, every single one of 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.760 them is a trained hostage negotiator that's qualified to take 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.560 over negotiations as the lead negotiating. That's pretty cool. It 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.000 is pretty cool, and that was multifaceted. Yeah, that was 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:27.680 one of my favorite podcasts we did too, about the 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:32.280 hostage and negotiations. So these are closely tied UH, segments 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.480 of private law enforcement. I guess I keep wanting to 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.680 call it military, but well it's paramilitary. I mean, they 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:44.000 very much resemble a military like teams. They have, UM, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:49.080 stealth reconnaissance team members, people who you know, if if 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.480 they are getting some information about the layout of the house, 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.480 maybe from the negotiator the hostage was let go or 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.360 something like that, UM that they need more, they'll send 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.640 a couple of guys in and they will drill a 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.720 hole and put a pinhole camera in to keep an 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.320 eye on the guy, get more information about the house, 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.520 that kind of stuff. Right. They have snipers obviously, yes, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.960 anti sniper snipers, do they ya? Because what if there's 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.600 a sniper shooting at you that well, wouldn't that just 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.280 be a sniper? Yeah, but they call them anti snipers. Uh, well, yeah, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.040 I guess that's true. Most snipers aren't just like some 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.560 jerk walking around waving a gun inside of a house. 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.360 You're probably hard to hit. And what else do they have? 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:35.720 Explosive explosive guys experts demolition. I guess you would call 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.200 it pretty cool. Yeah, so, I mean this is not 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.280 your average average ordinary patrol guy who's gonna pull you 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:46.480 over for running a stop sign. Right, No, definitely not so, Chuck. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.200 We've kind of referred to it here there you know, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.120 there's like a guy waving a gun in the house 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:57.200 or whatever. SWAT situations are generally, um where there's a standoff, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:02.360 like you said, yeah, um to where there there is 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:06.440 a guy in a house. So he has hostages, he's 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:11.760 barricaded himself inside, he's not responding, right, so the swat 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.840 team is called out. The swat team apparently takes about 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.560 an hour to assemble get make it to the scene, 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.200 right Yeah, even though I think you mentioned that they can. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.239 They listen in on the police radio and if they 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.200 hear of a scenario where they might be called, they'll 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.679 go ahead and start loading the shotguns with shells and 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.160 start getting ready just in case, putting on the grease 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:37.040 paint exactly the chicken blood across the forehead. Yeah. Um. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.760 But when they make it out, one of the first 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:44.000 things they'll do, apparently is come up with um, quick 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.680 and dirty. Yeah, I just made air quotes as you saw, 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.240 contingency plans in case this thing just falls apart. Right 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.159 when they get there, they need to know how to 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.520 get in, get as many people out as possible, neutralize 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:01.040 the guy, which is another word for kill exactly. Uh. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.960 And um, if they do have time of the situation 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.520 is what the cops call static, meaning the guys just 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:12.240 he's responding tonying negotiator. He's not shooting anybody yet. It's 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.400 still standoff, but there's not nothing. There's the element of time. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.440 They have time, then they're gonna start planning, right Yeah. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.040 That's when you bring in the r V and that 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.600 means you can use the bathroom if you want and 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.520 come up with a very you know, safe plan because ideally, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.240 and now the Grabster points out, even though these guys 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.000 have a reputation as being very trigger happy, ideally you 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.440 want to end it peacefully, even if you're a swat team. Remember, 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.720 so they're getting information from the hostage negotiator, from many 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.560 hostages that may be released from their stealth guys, and 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.440 they've decided that enough enough, it's time for this guy 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:53.920 to go down, right, So they've assembled, they know, they've 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.000 got their plan set, they've got all the information they need, 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.960 and they go through the barricade, they go through the door. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.399 What does that look like if you're standing there and 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.840 all of a sudden you're in the house. The door 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.320 opens up and incomes the swat team. What's gonna happen? Well, 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:12.480 first thing, first, you probably would not see ten guys 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.520 because they form what's called a snake and that's why 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.040 in the films you see in the in the picture 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.080 shows you see them in a dead straight line obviously 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.760 because it minimizes the you know, the targets, right, Yeah, 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.760 they can shoot at the The guy in front of 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.639 that line is called the point man. Very brave person, 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.440 very brave. But also that guy has to be as 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.240 cool as a cucumber under some of the highest amounts 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.840 of stressing human being can go through. He has to 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.480 be able to take in an entire situation in a 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.679 split second, decide if that's a woman holding a baby, 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:49.159 so don't shoot her because this isn't police academy um 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.520 or you know, if that if the guy has a gun, 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.840 if it's pointed at them, what's going on exactly? And 0:19:55.880 --> 0:20:00.000 then act on this information in a really quick manner. Right, 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:01.840 I would be at the tail end of that snake. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.960 If I was a sweat guy, I'd still be in 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.920 the bathroom, in the motor room. Yeah, uh what Well. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:09.919 You know, also in the movies they get it right 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.200 most times is you'll see them come in in a 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.280 single file and then immediately it seems like they all 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.199 go to a designated spot in the room, almost as 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.320 if they were trained to do so. And it's because 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.080 they are. Yeah, they're called the areas of responsibility. Yeah, 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.000 they have it all planned out beforehand. Yeah, so you 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.960 have like eight guys and they already know the layout 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:31.760 of the room, where they're entering, and where the guy 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:36.320 has the hostages. Right, Um, they each person has a 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.679 portion of the room that they're responsible for. So the 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.119 point man comes in and maybe his dead ahead, the 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:43.320 guy behind him is to the right, and the little 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.640 corner of the guy behind him is a little beyond that. 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.639 So everybody's aiming at different parts of the room. And 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.160 then once they right exactly, once they've noticed that their 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.120 area of responsibility is clear, then they're going to train 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.280 their gun on, you know, the guy who is the problem. 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.800 And they're also we forgot to mentioned generally a lot 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.359 of yelling and screaming going on and maybe a what 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.440 was it called a flash bang grenade? Yeah, because one 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.600 of the things that they want to do is disorient 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.800 and confuse the suspects so you can shoot them in 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.040 the head or ideally put them on the ground and 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.560 cut them. We have to say that because that's really 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.280 what they're after. We can't just say that their kill 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:29.240 crazy vengeance minded thugs. No, And that's actually evidenced by 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:33.720 the percentage of um SWAT assaults that we're not a 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:38.040 single gunshot is fired, it's about Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:41.119 I bet that ten percent is pretty exciting, pretty pretty 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.920 bloody thousands of rounds of AMMO. They also point out 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.280 m or Ed does rather that when you have your 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.119 area of responsibility, you plan to sing out obviously to 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:54.000 go in and cover the room, but your point man 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:55.720 and actually everyone on the team is sort of like 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.320 the quarterback coming to the line of scrimmage when you 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.040 when you do at in the NFL, you see the 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.679 defense and sometimes you have to change the play because 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.520 the layout has changed or it's not exactly how you thought. 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.040 There were more guys in there than you thought. So 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:11.040 you don't want to be the guy who's like covering 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:14.080 your empty corner, which makes up your area of responsibility 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.080 the whole time. Yeah, you want to be Peyton manning 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.840 sure that the line of scrimmage, except you have a gun. 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.440 Can we talk about the guns? This is my favorite part, 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.959 is that you gun guy. No, neither one of us are, 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.080 but we always go all giggly when we talk about 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.679 these guns. I guess it's just being raised as kids 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.440