1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and Charles Chuck Bryant's with 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: me as usual. It just wouldn't be the same if 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: you weren't, That's what I hear. Yeah, um, thankfully for 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: me and me. Oh sweetie, So that means this is 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: stuff you should know, all right, Chuck the podcast The 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: Legend Lives on. Yeah, we thought about a name change recently, 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: but we figured we'd just stick with it. Yeah, stuff 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: you should know. Yes, we thought about a name change. 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: I just made that up. Okay, I was gonna say 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: you never see see me on any emails anymore? Yeah, yeah, 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: So Chuck has a swat team ever rated your house? No? 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: I did have a cop come to my door one 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: time in Athens, so for what. I don't know why. 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: Actually I don't remember. I just remember being woken up 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: and there was a cop at the door, and I 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: can't remember exactly why he was coming by. It was 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: a mistake, clearly, but I also, you know, didn't fully 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: open the door. If you know what I'm saying. You 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: are you making air quotes that you don't remember. It 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: was a mistake, it really was. I don't honestly don't 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: remember why he showed up. I just remember thinking, I'm 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: just going to crack the door here and see what 26 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: this cop wants. Have you been arrested? No? Really does 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: that surprise you a little bit? Yeah? I mean you 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: went to college in Athens, l A. For a while. 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: I mean I did get shaken down in front of 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: the Georgia Theater one night, like against the wall, frist 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: because there was no reasons. They're always shaking people down. Yeah, 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean they literally had no reason. They put all 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: of our friends up against the wall, like stop the 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: car and just jumped out, and as we were leaving 35 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: a show. I think Georgia Theater being in the vicinity 36 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: of it was probably cause under law in Athens it 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: was weird. And then they left as soon as they came, 38 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: they just like left. It's so odd. Well, luckily for you, 39 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: you didn't die of a heart attack, you weren't shot 40 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: in the chest, you weren't shot three times. No, um, 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: had it been a swat team that shook you down 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: or came to your door. All of these things may 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: have happened. I might have been too tapped. Yeah, yeah, 44 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: what swat teams are, chuck, We should probably get to 45 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 1: that finally, right, Yes, swat teams are um, specially trained 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: and specially equipped and armed divisions of police departments, heavily armed. 47 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: Very Yeah. A lot of their stuff is cobbled together 48 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: through um uh military surplus. Yeah. I didn't realize that. 49 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: I didn't either. Pretty cool thanks to the grabster who 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: wrote yet another fine article. Yeah, he's one of the 51 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: faiths around here. He is. He's a good guy and 52 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: ironically neither one of us have ever met him. No, like, yeah, yeah, 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it for you though. Yeah. 54 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: I don't like doing that. I like keeping like a 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: non image or seen with a beard. Does he have 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: a beard? He does, But we get that a lot 57 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: when people see pictures of us, they right in and 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: to express their displeasure, which is always were obtuse. Yeah. Uh, 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: Special Weapons and Tactics Josh is the name now, but 60 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: what was it originally? Special Weapons Attack Team. Yeah, they 61 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: realized it was a little too aggressive sounding a little bit. Yeah, so, um, 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: the the the guy who came up with the original 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: name Special Weapons Attack Team. Right, was a guy named 64 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: Daryl Gates who was police chief of l A p 65 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: D for a very very long time while you were there, 66 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: in fact, there during Rodney King incident. Now my brother 67 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: was though, Yeah, was he anywhere near like south Central? Um, Well, 68 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: it happened all over. He saw he was in the 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: area of the riots. And you know clearly stayed in 70 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: his apartment. Okay, so your brother's not Reginald Denny Good. Yeah, 71 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: that'd be bad. I hope that guy's doing all right. 72 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, me too. Um. But Gates didn't actually uh 73 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: invent the swat team. He's falsely credited with that. He 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: did champion the idea. I get the impression that a 75 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: front of his or somebody lower on or I should 76 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: say higher on the totem pole, came up with that idea, 77 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: and being in a position of authority, Uh, he was 78 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: still a high ranking officer then, although not yet police chief, 79 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: Gates said this is a great idea. So he assembled 80 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: the world's first swat team, or at the very least 81 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: the United States first swat team, l ap D leading 82 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: the way as usual. Right, they also brought us with bribery, corruption, planning, weapons, brutality, 83 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: brutality of long history of bad things. Yeah, they've cleaned 84 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: it up, though I think now have they Supposedly they 85 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: they every decade they've cleaned it up, and then something 86 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: horrible happened, and they've cleaned it up. Then fifty horrible 87 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: things happened. But again they are credited with coming up 88 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 1: with the first swat team in America. That was seven. 89 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: So they sat around for two years and waited until 90 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: an organization known as the Black Panthers UM did not 91 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: want the l a p d To enter when they 92 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: came a knocking on some gun warrants that their headquarters. 93 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: One of their first encounters that in the Simbionese Liberation Army. 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: Right actually read accounts of these these two things, that 95 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: the Black Panthers standoff in sixty nine and the s 96 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: l A standoff in seventy four, UM were days long, right. 97 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: They In the s l A stand off, they they 98 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: shot tear gas into the house. Nothing, they just really 99 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: turned fire. Everybody either died of gunshot wounds or burned 100 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: in the fire. The Black Panthers all made it out alive, 101 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: but this was after several days too. And in both cases, 102 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: both sides fired several thousand rounds at one another. Yeah, 103 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: that's a serious standoff. So yeah, and this is um 104 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: It definitely remains in the the mentality of the l 105 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: A p D SWAT team because they have an unofficial 106 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: patch that has forty one and fifty four. Uh. The 107 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: Black Panthers headquarters where the standoff took place was at 108 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: forty one Street, and then the s l A standoff 109 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: was at fifty four and I think Compton Avenue, Yeah, exactly. 110 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean like this created it. At the very least, 111 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: it showed the world that you do need SWAT teams, 112 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: because up to this point, before the SWAT teams were created, 113 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: any officer who came up on a scene was expected 114 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: to resolve the problem sure with you know, I mean, 115 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say minimal firearms, but certainly not special especially equipped. Right. 116 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: And then in n UM the I don't remember what 117 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: what network it was on, but SWAT came out. Cops 118 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: show about SWAT teams. Oh, is he in it? Yeah? 119 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: I never saw it. I saw the horrible, horrible remake, 120 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: the view version. Yeah, I didn't see that with Sam 121 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: Jackson and Colin Farrell. I didn't see that. That's a 122 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: deadly combination. Now, was that a remaker? Was it drinking 123 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: water in rural Mexico? But in movie form, you know what? 124 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: Sam Jackson and Colin Farrell. Yeah, yeah, Sam Jackson's almost 125 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: a parody of himself at this point. Yeah, he has 126 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: been the whole time. We just didn't catch on at first. 127 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: Is that what I was think? So, Uh, let's talk 128 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: a little bit about how many there are in the country. 129 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: Supposedly there are about twelve hundred swat teams in the 130 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: United States, and of police forces in cities of fifty 131 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: thousand or more have some kind of swat team. Not bad, no, 132 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: not at all. Smaller towns, yeah, which is uh, pretty 133 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: much everybody. I think there's twelve across the country. Um, 134 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: and some cities, smaller towns um have kind of gotten 135 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: together with other nearby smaller towns and have been like, hey, 136 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Wolf own a few swat team members in some equipment. 137 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: You guys do the same. We'll have a regional swat team. Right, 138 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: I've got two point men if you've got a sniper, 139 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: and they'll just collecting Harry Potter trading cards with real 140 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: life swat team member, right, I never thought about that. 141 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: So what do they use these people for, Chuck, this 142 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: this elite group of technically trained, heavily armed paramilitary police officers. Well, Josh, 143 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: there's quite a few scenarios. A high risk warrant obviously, 144 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: if they're going to serve a warrant to a known 145 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: violent felon who may have a gun or armament, right, 146 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: they want to bring in the swat team any kind 147 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: of hostage situation or barricade situation obviously. Um, a high 148 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: risk person is when someone needs to be transported like 149 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: some nasty sereal Henry Hill, and obviously terrorist attacks or riots, 150 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: you call him the swat team, yeah, or the riot crew, 151 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: which we should do. Uh, this made me want to 152 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: do one on riot control. Actually we should do that. 153 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: It's point cracking heads. Oh is that how they do it, 154 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: cracking hippies heads? Yeah, hippies. We should do that because 155 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: we could talk about the Battle for Seattle in Yeah, 156 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: my friend was there. Yeah, that's right. I think you 157 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: said that inciting the riot throwing bricks and funny funny 158 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: signs that he held up like Simpsons references and are 159 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: kind of guy. Alright, So look for riot control coming up. Right. Indeed, um, 160 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: so check there's about forty swat raids in the US 161 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: every year. Yeah, that's a lot, didn't it. Yeah, I 162 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: didn't realize that it's growing and growing in the last 163 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: twenty five years. It's increased now. Is that because they're 164 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: a little more trigger happy, or because there's more swat guys, 165 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: or there because there's more situations that need it for 166 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: all three? Probably it's probably all three plus a little 167 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: bit of um looser federal funding coming in than there 168 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: ever was before. The Department of Homeland securities around. They 169 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: have deep pockets, so the police station might say, wow, sure, 170 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: let's get that tank since we have the dough nice. Yeah, 171 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: although it's really not a tank. Yeah, well we should 172 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: talk about that. Actually, it says a lot of times 173 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: the vehicles are are transformed into swat vehicles. So they'll 174 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: just take like a delivery van and arm it painted 175 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: black and throw some bat shields up on it, and 176 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that's a that's an armed vehicle. Yeah, 177 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of times it sees stuff. Yeah, sometimes 178 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: they use r vs. Um I love this park, Go ahead, 179 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: I know where you're going where it'll be like a 180 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: mobile command headquarters. The reason it's so valuable is really obvious, 181 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: but it's easy to overlook because they have a bathroom. Yeah, 182 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: I never see in the movies. You never see the 183 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: hostage standoff where the guy says, I have to go 184 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: take a leak. Yeah, you you stay there way when 185 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: you're gun don't shoot anybody while I'm gone. You've never 186 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: see anyone sneeze or go to the bathroom anything like 187 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: that unless it's important to the film, right, And a 188 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: lot of times they'll use these transports, though heavily armed, 189 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: to like actually carry the SWAT team members into an assault. Um. 190 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: But it doesn't always work. Um. In Night After German 191 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: terrorists sees the Nakatomi Building in Los Angeles, the L 192 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: a p D. SWAT Team used their heavily armored vehicle 193 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: to try to breach the door to the building and 194 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: they were fired upon by the terrorists using a rocket launcher, 195 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: which I think killed or injured everyone inside. Chi stay finsta, yeh, 196 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: ask me what that means? What does that mean? Shoot 197 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: the glass? Okay? Thanks now? And if no one out 198 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: there realizes that we're talking clearly about the movie die Hard, 199 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: then wah, you really need to get out more at 200 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: least want more movies. Yeah, absolutely, all right, Chuck, Let's 201 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: get down to basics here, dude. Okay, we've gotten so 202 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: far Afield it's ridiculous. No, not really, not as bad 203 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: as we did with the whole g I, Joe, Tirade 204 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: and Ninja. Yea, yeah. Um, how do you become a 205 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: SWAT Team member? Well, Josh, there's different ways you can 206 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: become a member. You obviously have to be a police officer, 207 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: and uh many times you can volunteer if you just 208 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: want the extra action and you feel like you're capable, 209 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: or you're a really good marksman or just a tough guy. 210 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes though, you are actually forced into duty. Yeah, you know, 211 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: there's couple of years of service. It's um, it's like 212 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: a uh as a point in a police officer's career, 213 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: like you start as rookie, you've worked to be, you know, 214 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: and then maybe at some point you're a detective and 215 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: then after that a swatter. Maybe those are good version. 216 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, some on some forces you're expected to eventually 217 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: be a SWAP member for a little while. On um 218 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: smaller uh scales, SWAT Team members will be regular police 219 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: officers as well. Or just driving around like looking for 220 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: bad guys or whatever, and then there's a there's a 221 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: call out, which is what they're called, um and then 222 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: they'll go and get their stuff and get ready. Right 223 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: in places like l A, New York, their SWAT teams 224 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: are like just SWAP members seven. They train all the time. 225 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: They're they're very well funded, very heavily armed. Uh, and 226 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: that is the SWAT team that we generally think of 227 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: when we think of swap, right, yeah, So how do 228 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: they get to be this way? I mean, clearly they're 229 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: they're badasses, but they have to go through training, right Yeah, 230 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: And like you said, the training never ends when you're 231 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: like kind of being in the military. You don't stop training. 232 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: You're constantly training because you gotta keep up the physical fitness. Uh. 233 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: You should be an expert marksman, although it's not absolutely required, 234 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: I think it is in a lot of like the 235 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: ones where they're SWAT teams said, I think that they 236 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: do require them to be such expert marksman that they're 237 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: they're automatically qualified to teach marksman courses. Right. I believe 238 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: master marksman is the term we're looking for, which makes sense. Sure, 239 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: So what they do here obviously is set up scenarios 240 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: to practice. You know when you see in the movies 241 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: when they have the fake city scene or the fake 242 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: house and then they push the button and outcomes a 243 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: dummy of a of a bad guy academy. Yeah, or 244 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: outcomes the dummy of a lady holding a child, and 245 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: invariably in the movie that they shoot the lady by 246 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: accident and they have to start. That's really how it 247 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: goes down though. Yeah. Yeah, which makes a lot of 248 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: sense because, as the Grabs are points out in the article, 249 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: sitting around and talking about what you should do is 250 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: not really good training. You need high levels of training 251 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: or computer sunds. They do that too, sure, which I 252 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: think usually require you walking around with the gun as well. 253 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: They to do Yeah, okay, I don't think it's just 254 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: like a joystick. I think you're in a room where 255 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: it simulates like the mannequins coming out gun right, But 256 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: instead it's like all the characters from a sonic the Hedgehog. 257 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: So Chuck, we've got gun training. Uh. There's often um, well, 258 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say often in some cases, specifically with the 259 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: l A. P. D Um. There's also a lot of 260 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: hostage negotiation training as well. Uh, in most places keep 261 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: SWAT and hostage negotiation totally separate. They don't want them 262 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: to mix. They actually probably want them to butt heads 263 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: a little bit so that there's real discourse about whether 264 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: or not to go in with guns blazing or to 265 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: try to resolve the situation through negotiation. Right. But in 266 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: the l A p D SWAT, every single one of 267 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: them is a trained hostage negotiator that's qualified to take 268 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: over negotiations as the lead negotiating. That's pretty cool. It 269 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: is pretty cool, and that was multifaceted. Yeah, that was 270 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: one of my favorite podcasts we did too, about the 271 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: hostage and negotiations. So these are closely tied UH, segments 272 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: of private law enforcement. I guess I keep wanting to 273 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: call it military, but well it's paramilitary. I mean, they 274 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: very much resemble a military like teams. They have, UM, 275 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: stealth reconnaissance team members, people who you know, if if 276 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: they are getting some information about the layout of the house, 277 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: maybe from the negotiator the hostage was let go or 278 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: something like that, UM that they need more, they'll send 279 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: a couple of guys in and they will drill a 280 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: hole and put a pinhole camera in to keep an 281 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: eye on the guy, get more information about the house, 282 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Right. They have snipers obviously, yes, 283 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: anti sniper snipers, do they ya? Because what if there's 284 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: a sniper shooting at you that well, wouldn't that just 285 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: be a sniper? Yeah, but they call them anti snipers. Uh, well, yeah, 286 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: I guess that's true. Most snipers aren't just like some 287 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: jerk walking around waving a gun inside of a house. 288 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: You're probably hard to hit. And what else do they have? 289 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: Explosive explosive guys experts demolition. I guess you would call 290 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: it pretty cool. Yeah, so, I mean this is not 291 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: your average average ordinary patrol guy who's gonna pull you 292 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: over for running a stop sign. Right, No, definitely not so, Chuck. 293 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: We've kind of referred to it here there you know, 294 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: there's like a guy waving a gun in the house 295 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: or whatever. SWAT situations are generally, um where there's a standoff, 296 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: like you said, yeah, um to where there there is 297 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: a guy in a house. So he has hostages, he's 298 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: barricaded himself inside, he's not responding, right, so the swat 299 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: team is called out. The swat team apparently takes about 300 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: an hour to assemble get make it to the scene, 301 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: right Yeah, even though I think you mentioned that they can. 302 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: They listen in on the police radio and if they 303 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: hear of a scenario where they might be called, they'll 304 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: go ahead and start loading the shotguns with shells and 305 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: start getting ready just in case, putting on the grease 306 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: paint exactly the chicken blood across the forehead. Yeah. Um. 307 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: But when they make it out, one of the first 308 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: things they'll do, apparently is come up with um, quick 309 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: and dirty. Yeah, I just made air quotes as you saw, 310 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: contingency plans in case this thing just falls apart. Right 311 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: when they get there, they need to know how to 312 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: get in, get as many people out as possible, neutralize 313 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: the guy, which is another word for kill exactly. Uh. 314 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: And um, if they do have time of the situation 315 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: is what the cops call static, meaning the guys just 316 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: he's responding tonying negotiator. He's not shooting anybody yet. It's 317 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: still standoff, but there's not nothing. There's the element of time. 318 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: They have time, then they're gonna start planning, right Yeah. 319 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: That's when you bring in the r V and that 320 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: means you can use the bathroom if you want and 321 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: come up with a very you know, safe plan because ideally, 322 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: and now the Grabster points out, even though these guys 323 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: have a reputation as being very trigger happy, ideally you 324 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: want to end it peacefully, even if you're a swat team. Remember, 325 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: so they're getting information from the hostage negotiator, from many 326 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: hostages that may be released from their stealth guys, and 327 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: they've decided that enough enough, it's time for this guy 328 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: to go down, right, So they've assembled, they know, they've 329 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: got their plan set, they've got all the information they need, 330 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: and they go through the barricade, they go through the door. 331 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: What does that look like if you're standing there and 332 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're in the house. The door 333 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: opens up and incomes the swat team. What's gonna happen? Well, 334 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: first thing, first, you probably would not see ten guys 335 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: because they form what's called a snake and that's why 336 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: in the films you see in the in the picture 337 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: shows you see them in a dead straight line obviously 338 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: because it minimizes the you know, the targets, right, Yeah, 339 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: they can shoot at the The guy in front of 340 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: that line is called the point man. Very brave person, 341 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: very brave. But also that guy has to be as 342 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: cool as a cucumber under some of the highest amounts 343 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: of stressing human being can go through. He has to 344 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: be able to take in an entire situation in a 345 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: split second, decide if that's a woman holding a baby, 346 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: so don't shoot her because this isn't police academy um 347 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: or you know, if that if the guy has a gun, 348 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: if it's pointed at them, what's going on exactly? And 349 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: then act on this information in a really quick manner. Right, 350 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: I would be at the tail end of that snake. 351 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: If I was a sweat guy, I'd still be in 352 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: the bathroom, in the motor room. Yeah, uh what Well. 353 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: You know, also in the movies they get it right 354 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: most times is you'll see them come in in a 355 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: single file and then immediately it seems like they all 356 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: go to a designated spot in the room, almost as 357 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: if they were trained to do so. And it's because 358 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, they're called the areas of responsibility. Yeah, 359 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: they have it all planned out beforehand. Yeah, so you 360 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: have like eight guys and they already know the layout 361 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: of the room, where they're entering, and where the guy 362 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: has the hostages. Right, Um, they each person has a 363 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: portion of the room that they're responsible for. So the 364 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: point man comes in and maybe his dead ahead, the 365 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: guy behind him is to the right, and the little 366 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: corner of the guy behind him is a little beyond that. 367 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: So everybody's aiming at different parts of the room. And 368 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: then once they right exactly, once they've noticed that their 369 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: area of responsibility is clear, then they're going to train 370 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: their gun on, you know, the guy who is the problem. 371 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: And they're also we forgot to mentioned generally a lot 372 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: of yelling and screaming going on and maybe a what 373 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: was it called a flash bang grenade? Yeah, because one 374 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: of the things that they want to do is disorient 375 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: and confuse the suspects so you can shoot them in 376 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: the head or ideally put them on the ground and 377 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: cut them. We have to say that because that's really 378 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: what they're after. We can't just say that their kill 379 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: crazy vengeance minded thugs. No, And that's actually evidenced by 380 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: the percentage of um SWAT assaults that we're not a 381 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: single gunshot is fired, it's about Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, 382 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: I bet that ten percent is pretty exciting, pretty pretty 383 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: bloody thousands of rounds of AMMO. They also point out 384 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: m or Ed does rather that when you have your 385 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: area of responsibility, you plan to sing out obviously to 386 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: go in and cover the room, but your point man 387 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: and actually everyone on the team is sort of like 388 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: the quarterback coming to the line of scrimmage when you 389 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: when you do at in the NFL, you see the 390 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: defense and sometimes you have to change the play because 391 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: the layout has changed or it's not exactly how you thought. 392 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: There were more guys in there than you thought. So 393 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: you don't want to be the guy who's like covering 394 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: your empty corner, which makes up your area of responsibility 395 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, you want to be Peyton manning 396 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: sure that the line of scrimmage, except you have a gun. 397 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: Can we talk about the guns? This is my favorite part, 398 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: is that you gun guy. No, neither one of us are, 399 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: but we always go all giggly when we talk about 400 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: these guns. I guess it's just being raised as kids 401 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: watching the A team and stuff like that, because I'm 402 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: not a gun guy at all. Both of us are 403 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: little pansy liberals. I have a penny waist done right 404 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: now now. But I love these guns. So Uh. Equipment wise, Um, 405 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: every officer has a nice, reliable, high powered handgun. First 406 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: things first, correct, Yeah, which they usually wear lower on 407 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: their leg for quick reach, and then the holsters will 408 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: be modified so that they can draw really fast. Although 409 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: I imagine if you're going in you already have your 410 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: gun out. I think it's technically is to look kind 411 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: of like han solo. Is that what it is? Uh? 412 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: And they also will usually have a submachine gun and 413 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: a shotgun, and clearly they're not gonna go in with 414 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: all three, but they have a great amount of leeway 415 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: with their their own personal arsenal. They can pick out 416 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: their own guns essentially, and a lot of times if 417 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: you look at the SWAT arsenal, Uh, it's kind of 418 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: ragtag and piecemeal. Um. Because in addition to seizing delivery vans, yes, 419 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: for drugs, they also sees weapons from drug dealers. So 420 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: one guy might have an oozy, another guy might have 421 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: an a Heckler and coke MP four or something like that. 422 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: At seven, Yeah, say something cool. I got a picture 423 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: for you. Oh you even have it turned over so 424 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I was going to surprise you with this. 425 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: In the article, Ed talks about um shotguns are clearly 426 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: popular because you can not be too discerning with where 427 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: you're aiming and still hit something. They can. I would 428 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: think that you wouldn't want a shotgun in a swat 429 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: hostage situation. Well, it depends on the situation, so I 430 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: think that's why they picked their guns. But he pointed 431 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: out that sometimes you can combine the shotgun with the 432 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: machine gun. What did you see that? No, the night 433 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: Master key s And I'm gonna show you a picture 434 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: and I would love to be able to post this 435 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: on the on the blog, but look at that bad boy? 436 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: Holy cow. It is essentially if you know guns, if 437 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: you picture like an M sixteen with a clip. Right 438 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: in front of the clip is the front end of 439 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: a shotgun without the barrel on it attached to the gun. Right, 440 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: It's like an M sixteen with a grenade launcher attachment, 441 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: but instead of the grenade launcher has a shotgun. And 442 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm anti gun, but I want that's my new zombie 443 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: defense weapon. Yeah yeah, I don't want to hurt anybody, 444 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: but this does make me wish for a zombie apocalypse. 445 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, nice one. So that's the Master key. Are 446 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: you going to hang that up in your cubicle. Wow, 447 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: people might think him some creep, but that's not that's 448 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: not the people not stop by your desk. Quot is 449 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: on a right bug you. We mentioned the flash band 450 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: grenades obviously, Um, if it's a riot situation, they have 451 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: all manner of non lethal things that they can shoot 452 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: at you from and would and things that will stop 453 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: you but not kill you. They use um, grappling hooks 454 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: and tiger claws, and now that's ninja. I get the 455 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: too confusing. Understand. Bolt action rifles are the sniper rifle 456 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 1: of preference, right, but they're not allowed to use fifty 457 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: millimeter or fifty caliber? Right? Is it fifty millimet Okay? Um, 458 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: these are sniper rifles that I think we've mentioned before 459 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: and probably the Delta Force podcast. I think we have 460 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: because I think either Special Forces or Delta Force or 461 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: both requires their snipers to be able to be accurate 462 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: with a fifty cow um sniper rifle up yards. And 463 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: why can't they use them in the private police sector 464 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: Because it will go right through your target and through 465 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: a couple of hostages as well. It can also go 466 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: right through walls. Check that out. Huge, that's twice as 467 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: tall as a dollar bill. Yeah, I'm showing Josh a 468 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: picture of a fifty cole round and they did a 469 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: measurement next to a ruler and it's about five and 470 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: a half inches long. Is this bullet with the casing? Obviously, 471 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: but it's enormous. It can rip very big holes and things. 472 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: So they don't allow them to use that because it 473 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: could potentially kill hostages, like on the street behind the house. 474 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: It could potentially kill a fruit vendor two towns over. Good. 475 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: That's not good. You want your fruit vendors alive and well. 476 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: And surveillance equipment obviously. Yeah, that pinhole camera. I mentioned 477 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: high power binoculars in VGs night vision goggles. Yeah, have 478 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: you ever used those? I have? Have you really? Yeah? 479 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: Did you? Were you carrying this thing? No? No, no, 480 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: My brother in laws and the Marines and he let 481 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: me wear his out in the neighborhood one night. Did 482 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: you toilet pap for your neighbor's house? No? But I 483 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: walked around and looked at stuff. It was about the 484 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. Really, did you notice anything that you 485 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't normally see, like squirrels doing weird stuff? Well, not 486 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: weird stuff, but you can see in the dark, although 487 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: not complete dark. You know, they worked by amplifying available light. 488 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: But if it is complete dark, what can they use 489 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: a thermal imaging cameras. I have a story about this, Chuck. 490 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: Let's back in the turn of the last millennium. Chuck. 491 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: There's a lot of debate about whether or not police 492 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: departments or law enforcements should be using these thermal imaging 493 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: cameras because they said that, um, they could see right 494 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: through walls. They could. There was way too much detail. 495 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: It was just unfair and violated privacy right, And they 496 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: were using them in flyovers of suspected grow houses. But 497 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: basically you could just ride around and look right into 498 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: somebody's house. What, oh, marijuana grow house. Now you're hip, okay, um? Yeah, 499 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: So the law enforcement officers are saying like, no, no, no, 500 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: you can't see through houses. You can't. All you can 501 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: see is like whether there's a lot of heat coming 502 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: off of the house. Well, I found it an alternative 503 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: newspaper in East Tennessee called Washboard Weekly, and I got 504 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: to the bottom of this, and I found out that 505 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: I think the Union Pacific Railroads employed security cards who 506 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: had these thermal engine cameras to look for bums on board, 507 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: and I got in touch with one of these guys. 508 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend the bumps. UM, 509 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: And I got in touch with one of these security guards, 510 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: and he was boasting about how it could see right 511 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: through two inch thick steel walls and cable cars. They're 512 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: not cable cars but box cars, right and um he said, 513 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: you can see everything. You can make out basically details. 514 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: These things are so good. So I correct the case. Yeah, 515 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: no one paid attention, but I figured it out that, yeah, 516 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: you law enforcement shouldn't be using those things. There were 517 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: twenty people in East Tennessee that were very upset as 518 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: a result of Yeah, I thought you're gonna say you 519 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: got to see it or use it or get a demo. No, 520 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: I just got to the bottom of it. That's a 521 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: little good jobs investigative reporter Josh and Chuck. That's a 522 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: pretty good segue, don't you think, Um two, I guess. 523 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: Accusations of overuse and overaggression of SWAT teams. Sure, there's 524 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: a lot of controversy and criticism right now over the 525 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: past you know, decade or so. UM for instance, calling 526 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: out the SWAT team to serve a warrant on a 527 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: non violent offender. Seems like it might be overkill. Yeah, 528 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: and it has been just plain old kill in several occasions. Yeah, 529 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: let's talk about a couple of these. And we're not 530 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: trying to blow the whistle, but these things have actually happened, 531 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: sadly in South Carolina and a high school drug grade 532 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: and SWAT team was called in to a high school 533 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: drug grade and they forged students as young as fourteen 534 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: to kneel down at gunpoint, and drugs dogs sniffed around 535 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: in their lockers and their backpacks, and they of course 536 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: found no drugs. I would say that overkill and misuse 537 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: of SWAT team very much. So you want to hear 538 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: another one. Uh. In two thousand six, in Maryland, UM 539 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: police rated the home of Cheryl noll Um two I 540 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: guess sees drugs from her nineteen year old son. Those 541 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: drugs turned out to be marijuana, just a tiny amount. 542 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: But the cops came in at four thirty in the morning. 543 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 1: Cheryl Noel had no idea what was going on, so 544 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: she heard somebody storming into her house and she grabbed 545 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: her registered gun and had it pointed at the floor 546 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: into in her bedroom where she was standing. The cops 547 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: kicked the bedroom door im without identifying themselves and without 548 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: telling her to drop the weapon. They shot her three times. 549 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: The third time was when she was already on the ground. 550 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: She was dead, and they ruled it a justifiable Yeah. 551 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: You know that happened in that old lady in Atlanta 552 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: just last year. But it wouldn't. It wasn't SWAT, that 553 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: was just regular cops. It was I think Dog was it. 554 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: And they just busted in on her and I think 555 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: she had a gun, right, Yeah, and acted in self 556 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: defense and they killed this old lady. She Yeah, they 557 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: shot her like seven or eight times. Verry said, I 558 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: think Red Dog got disbanded because of that. Yeah. Here's 559 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: another good one. This is my favorite one. Uh. An 560 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: optometrist at some point was shot and killed by a 561 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: SWAT team officer when the team was called out to 562 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: arrest him for betting on football games. Yeah, guy named 563 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: Salvator Kulosi Jr. Where was this? You know? It was 564 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: in Boston and the guy was complying. He was outside 565 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: of his house, hands up to and everything the cops 566 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: were telling him to do, and one of the SWAT 567 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: team members had a UM I think a H and 568 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: K or somebody's forty five trained on the guy's chest 569 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: with his finger on the trigger and accidentally shot him 570 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: in the chest and killed him for betting on NFL football. Yeah. Well, 571 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: thankfully these incidences are incidences. Is maybe incidences are few 572 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: and far between, and and I mean they the police 573 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: department in the city tends to side with their swat team. 574 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: They'll pay out like a million dollars for a wrongful 575 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: death or something like that. Um, But it's not really 576 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: having any impact on the use of swat teams. But 577 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,239 Speaker 1: something else is Chuck, did you notice the sidebar on 578 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: the active shooter doctrine? Yes? I did. Actually, that's when 579 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: there it's like a uh, some kok goes into the 580 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: office building and start shooting people up or a school shooter. Right. 581 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: School school shooting is what gave rise to this, the 582 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: ninety s Columbine shooting. UM. For an hour while this 583 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: this rampage was going on, they they regular cops created 584 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: a perimeter and just stood outside of it waiting for 585 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: the swat team, which is exactly what they were supposed 586 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: to do. But no, it's not because by the time 587 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 1: the SWAT team finally went in, everything was over. There 588 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: were you know, um, I think seventeen dead and thirty 589 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: five injured. One guy bled to death in the while 590 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: while before the SWAT team made in and both shooters 591 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: had had killed themselves, right, So that gave rise to 592 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: this active shooter doctrine, which is kind of this new 593 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: school of thought that has led to new training for 594 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: just that the average patrol officer to handle this kind 595 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: of thing rather than wait for SWAT, so to act fast. Yeah, 596 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: and and to act tough as well. You know, I mean, 597 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: if somebody's running around shooting, you can't just call and 598 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: say we need SWAT and wait an hour. You have 599 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: to go in and kill the guy yourself neutralized, Yes, neutralized. Sorry. Um. 600 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: So that's leading to a whole new sentiment. And and 601 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: like I said, training for regular officers across the country, 602 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: which is really odd for SWAT now because they're being 603 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: relegated to just um static situations where there's like a 604 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: hostage and there's time, the element of time, which I 605 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: wonder how many SWAT team members are happy about this 606 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: active shooter doctrine. Yeah, seriously, it was kind of thing. Yeah, 607 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: you know if I've noticed if we say guys a lot. 608 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: We're not trying to be sexist, but most of these 609 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: creeps who take hostages and barricade and then shoot up 610 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: schools and office buildings, they're usually guys. Let's let's be 611 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: real here. Women are far too sensible to do something 612 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: like that. We'll put Chuck. Well, if you want to 613 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: learn more about SWAT, you can type in how SWAT 614 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: teams work in the handy search bar at how stuff 615 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: works dot com, which of course leads us now to 616 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: listener mail. Yes, Josh, I'm gonna call this Gilligan's Island reference. 617 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: I liked it all right. It starts out good, Um, 618 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: this is from Dan and Fort Collins. I guess it's Colorado, right, Yeah, Hi, 619 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: Chuck and Josh. Great red Dawn reference in the Honeybee episode. 620 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: I wonder how many people got that. Remember when I 621 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: said Wolverines was spray painted on the front. Yeah, wait 622 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: till we go back in time? No, no, no, people 623 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: remember it was just a couple of weeks ago. But Dan, 624 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: no one actually notice that except for you. So far 625 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: way to go, Dan, So you're you're on the ball. Uh. 626 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: He points out that there was a class at Gilligan's 627 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: Island episode, but weren't the all classic, he says, where 628 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: a Beatles like group, the Mosquitoes, got stranded on the island. 629 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: You remember that h was there? An was there an 630 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: episode where someone didn't get stranded on the island, even 631 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: Ja Ja Gabor got stranded there for reasons I can't remember. 632 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: The castaways put together two groups of competing bands, one 633 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: with the Guys, the other was the honey Bees featuring Ginger, 634 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: Marry Ann and Mrs Howell. And you can see that 635 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: on YouTube. He gives the address, but I'm sure you 636 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: can search for that if you want to see it. 637 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: When the Mosquitoes Bingo Bongo Bongo and Irving did get 638 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: off the island, they sighted the honey Bees and said 639 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: they had enough competition already and all. This is the 640 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: course in reference to the Honeybee cast But it leads 641 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: to this eternal question Ginger or Mary Anne. Ginger dances 642 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: Mary Anne, Marry Anne. I say, Mrs Howell, cougar central buddy. 643 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: Internal question. Okay, she's rich, she's old, she's experienced. I'll 644 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: go Marryanto, though I think ultimately in the long run, 645 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: definitely Marryan, although growing up as a young Baptist. It 646 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: was very conflicting. It's the the classic scenario of of 647 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: good girl, bad girl. Yeah, but ultimately, isn't the best 648 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: to hope for an equal a balanced mixture of the two. 649 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: Don't you want a good girl who knows how to 650 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: be a bad girl as well? So you want Ginger 651 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: and Marian? Yeah, I've got Ginger and Merry now. Uh. 652 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: And he goes on to say hi to Josh and 653 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: Jerry because he addressed it me. 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