1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast presented 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants. My name is 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: John Schmel, coming to you from the Giants Podcast Studio 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: presented by Hackensack Murtin. 5 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 2: Healths keep getting better. Welcome back in. 6 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: A friend of the program, he's Clifton Brown. He covers 7 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: the Ravens for their team site. Clifton, it's good to 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: see you again, man. Hope you're enjoying what I'm sure 9 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: has been a very busy offseason with both of us 10 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: dealing with coaching changes here. 11 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know exactly how it's been up there, obviously 12 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: with the coach Harball leaving here and going there. It's 13 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 3: been part of a crazy offseason with ten NFL teams 14 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 3: changing coaches, so very interesting. 15 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 4: But the dust is starting to settle. 16 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: How surprised were you when they decided to move on 17 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: from Harball. 18 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: I was surprised but not shocked, because obviously there had 19 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: been rumblings they did not make the playoffs, and as 20 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: Steve Bushotti said his press conference, they had gone from 21 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three reaching the AFC Championship Game in twenty 22 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 3: twenty four divisional round and then twenty twenty five not 23 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: making the playoffs. 24 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 4: That was the wrong direction. 25 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: But you know, John Harbaugh been here eighteen season's incredible career, winning, 26 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: his coach of franchise history, close relationship with Steve Bushatti. 27 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: For all those reasons, It's definitely was, you know, a 28 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: monumental decision that's obviously going to change the direction of 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: this franchise. 30 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: And I don't get back to Harball at the end here, 31 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: but the reason we had clifted on is that he's 32 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: obviously ad up close and personal relationships with a lot 33 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: of the assistant coaches that John harbar brought over with 34 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: him from Baltimore to the New York Giants. So I 35 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: want to try to touch on those and then we'll 36 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: kind of touch on the big man again when we 37 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: get to the end. And you know, it's funny, Clifton, 38 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: when I was looking at some of these coaches and 39 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: looking at their history, a lot of them were with 40 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: the Ravens, but a lot of them not for very long, 41 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: because I guess there's been a decent amount of turnover 42 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: with Mike McDonald coming and going, and the movement on 43 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: the defensive staff where he was working with a lot 44 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: of guys that had not been on his staff for 45 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: a long time this past year. 46 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: Huh, yes, correct. 47 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: You know, the Ravens had a lot of success obviously 48 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: doing coach Harball's tenures, so a lot of assistant coaches 49 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: moved on to other jobs, and he had to constantly 50 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 3: during his time bring in new staff matter members get 51 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: them up to speed. So yes, even though he was 52 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: in Baltimore for eighteen years, he had a lot of 53 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: different guys that he worked with, so to me, that 54 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: was one of the strengths that a lot of people, 55 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: a lot of coaches like Jesse mentor who's now the 56 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 3: head coach, has spent their formative years of some part 57 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: of their formative years here with the Ravens, and the 58 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: Ravens have been able to sustain success even with a 59 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 3: lot of turnover underneath Coach Harbor. 60 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: No question about it. 61 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: All. 62 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: Right, Let's start with the guy that I think might 63 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: have had the longest tenure there that he brought over, 64 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: and that's the Giants new assistant head coach and special 65 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: teams coordinator, Chris Horton. I know it was very important 66 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: for John to bring him over. Why assistant head coach? 67 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: I guess I'll start there before we get to the 68 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: special team stuff and how does he serve Coach Harbaugh 69 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: in that role? 70 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 4: Well, I think assistant head coach. 71 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: Because John Harball views Chris Horton as a future NFL 72 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: head coach, a coach who has that type of pedigree. 73 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 3: He's following a similar path that John Harball followed as 74 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 3: a special teams coach to being a head coach. Even 75 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: though John Harball had one season as a defensive bats coach, 76 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: he spent most of his career with the Philadelphia Eagles 77 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: as their special teams coach and built a reputation as 78 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: one of the best in the business in that area, 79 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 3: and that led him to being a head coach. You 80 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: still don't see a lot of special teams coaches go 81 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: right from being a special teams coach to being a 82 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: head coach. But Chris Horton is a guy that John 83 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: Harball views as having that type of leadership potential. So 84 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: there's a new challenge for Chris working with a new team. 85 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: But I think obviously they'll bring a lot of similarities 86 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: from the way the Ravens played special teams to how 87 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: the Giants now are going to play special teams. 88 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: All right, So how do. The Ravens play special teams 89 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: very broadly. 90 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: Very broadly aggressive in coverage of physical as far as 91 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: defending in special teams, and then as far as returning. 92 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: Obviously the rules have changed a lot now with kick 93 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: returning for sure, and then punt returning. First of all, 94 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: ball security obviously paramount being aggressive, but also obviously being 95 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: smart the things that you always want a special teams 96 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: unit to do, and then obviously the kicking game being 97 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 3: a huge part. 98 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 4: Of that too. 99 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: That the special teams you always want that to be 100 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: a strength against your opponent, and sometimes, as we know, 101 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 3: how you play on special teams can determine how games 102 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: are won or lost with so many close games in 103 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: the NFL, so I think you're going to see a 104 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 3: disciplined special teams unit with the Giants. Doesn't get a 105 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: lot of penalties, very good on coverage and commits or 106 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: forces some turnovers, but commits very few. 107 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: When it comes to the kicking part of it. 108 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: I always find it funny that a lot of these 109 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: special teams coaches, they're experts and coverage, return game and 110 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: stuff like that, but in terms of actually kicking mechanics, 111 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are not experts in kicking mechanics. 112 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: So how did the Ravens kind of work that in 113 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: terms of how they coached up their field goal kicker 114 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: where they had frankly one of the best of all 115 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: time in Justin Tucker and they haven't really missed much 116 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: of a beat since he left. 117 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: Well, the Ravens have an excellent special teams coach in 118 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: Randy Brown who is staying in Baltimore as their special 119 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: teams or kicking coach so to speak. He's working with 120 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: Tyler Loop of the rookie kicker. He worked with Justin Tucker, 121 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: he worked with the holders of the long snappers. So 122 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 3: that was not Chris's main responsibility in Baltimore. I don't 123 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: know how the Giants are going to handle that in 124 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 3: New York but with Chris. But certainly Chris's expertise comes 125 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: in the other parts of special teams besides the kicking game. 126 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: And Tyler Loop obviously had a really good year until 127 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: that the one mishap at the end of the year, 128 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: which was unfortunate for the kid, but obviously he had 129 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: good season for the Ravens. 130 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: All right, that's special teams. 131 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: Anything else from that from that group in Hortney, you 132 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: think Giant fan should know about Well. 133 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: I just feel like Chris is the guy who with 134 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: his experience, is going to be good for them. 135 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 4: I mean, he spoke to the media every week. 136 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: Uh, he had been a guy who kind of knows 137 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: his way around the NFL in the. 138 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: Week the week. Chris is a very steady guy. 139 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: Uh, never changed as much from whether they won the 140 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: game or lost the game takes the broad view of things. 141 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm interested to see too that how which 142 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 3: Giants players, which draft picks they play, which young players 143 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: that he chooses to contribute on special teams. He had 144 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: a voice in the Ravens draft room when it came 145 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: down to whether they were going to pick this player 146 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: or that player. 147 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: Chris was always the. 148 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: Guy, you know, advocating for the player who was better 149 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: on special teams because he wanted those type of guys 150 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: and his cozing on special teams to performance. A lot 151 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: of Ravens went from special teams standouts to being defensive 152 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: standouts as they progress. So the Ravens took special teams 153 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: players who were good on special teams. They really felt 154 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: those players were most likely to develop into guys who 155 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: could be eventually as starters or contributors on defense. 156 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: And then the Giants also bringing in members of the 157 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: strength and conditioning staff, the athletic training staff to assist. 158 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: What's going on here with Aaron Woman and Ronnie Barnes, 159 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: just curious what their overall approaches Clifton to. 160 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: That area of the game. How are they with limiting 161 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 2: soft tissue injuries? 162 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: That's really I think that the main purpose of the 163 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: strength and conditioning staff specifically and having the guys ready 164 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: to play? 165 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: Are they aggressive? 166 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: Are we gonna have like eighteen thousand guys listened as 167 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: questionable every Sunday like Boll Belichick used to do. Just 168 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: how does that whole kind of process work? With John 169 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: as strength and conditioning and medical staff well. 170 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: As far as conditioning coach Harbor and staff maybe two 171 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: three years ago took a really deep dive into the 172 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: whole injury question and how to avoid injury, what's the 173 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: best way to train, what's dieting, when's the best time 174 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: to practice? So all those things are gonna come with 175 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: ko tar Ball to New York. The Ravens a few 176 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: years ago switched from practicing in the mornings during training 177 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: camp to the afternoon even though it's hotter in the afternoon. 178 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: They fell as far as wrestling recovery, that that was 179 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: the best way to go. And for the most part, 180 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: over the last few years they've they've been one of 181 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: the teams that had one of the fewest injuries. 182 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 4: So they feel that the diet and when they practice and. 183 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: Restern recovery has things has something to do with all 184 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 3: that strength and conditioning. Yet, I mean, I don't know 185 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: if John Harball will bring the conditioning test to New York. 186 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: He certainly I would be surprised if he didn't. The Ravens, 187 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 3: the conditioning test was regarded by players as one of 188 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: the toughest in the NFL, and he would not let 189 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: players begin to practice in training camp until they passed 190 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: the conditioning test. So guys who've been here already knew 191 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: that they always came ready to pass that test. 192 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 4: Some new players sometimes would struggle. 193 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: They were warned about it, but when they really, you know, 194 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: had to take it, they found out how tough it was. 195 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 3: So conditioning is hugely important of what coach Harball is 196 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: all about. And yeah, you're gonna see that with the Giants. 197 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: This sounds like my Dace year when Tom Coughlin was 198 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: here is what that sounds like with the conditioning test 199 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: and guys gassing it up with doubt as the start practice. 200 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: So fans aren't going to care about this. But now 201 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm just curious of my personal schedule perspective. What time 202 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: did they practice during training camp Clifton, I'm just curious. 203 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: I want to say, last last couple of years, it's 204 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: been around like say one thirty in the afternoon. Wow, Okay, yeah, 205 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 3: I mean it was definitely after lunch. And again, I 206 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 3: mean you know, Coach Harball was asked about that when 207 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: he made the switch, because everybody knows July and August 208 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: it can get really hot in the afternoon. He's like, look, 209 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 3: we know it's hotter in the afternoon at is in 210 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: the morning. That didn't catch us by surprise, but we 211 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: really fel that guys can come in, warm up, eat 212 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: a proper lunch, have more time to get ready for practice, 213 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 3: so that when we do practice, even though it's hotter, 214 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: they're better prepared to deal with, you know, what goes on. 215 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 4: So yeah, they stuck with it. 216 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: Once they made the change two or three years ago, 217 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: they didn't go back to the morning and players get 218 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: got used to it, and the Ravens definitely, I know 219 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: hardball feels that early in the season, if you're in 220 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: better shape than the other team, that's that's a big advantage. 221 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 3: And a lot of his teams had really good records 222 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 3: in September and they felt like part of the reason 223 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: was that they were simply in better shape than their opponent. 224 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: And again this is completely inside baseball self, so I 225 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: apologize to the fans for this. And then regular season 226 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: practice around the same time, and then media like right afterwards, 227 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: around like three thirty something like that. 228 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, regular season was late to practice was late in 229 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: the afternoon, right practice might end around three thirty. Practices 230 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: were shorter, you know, as you get into the season, 231 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: as all teams do. It wasn't like, you know, they're 232 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 3: trying to run guys to the ground. But yeah, the 233 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: app the schedule never changed. It was afternoon media afterwards. 234 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: So yeah, it made for some longer days. You know, 235 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 3: media preferred you know, the morning practices and getting out, 236 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: But for what was good for the team, that's what 237 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: coach Barball decided that he wanted to do. 238 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 4: Huddle up and get in here. 239 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 240 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: middle with at the score great. 241 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 4: How do we make that happen? 242 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, but Citizens does? 243 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: It makes sense of your money with Citizens Official Bank 244 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: of Eli Manning. I will have to warn the wife 245 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: when I get home today about what the Marck to 246 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: schedule might look like. 247 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: If that, I'm not gonna lie. All right, let's jump 248 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: to the offensive side of the ball. This was probably 249 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: the side, and I'm gonna touch it first because it's 250 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: the shorter group. 251 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: John didn't bring as many guys over from the offensive 252 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: side that was at least with Baltimore last year. But 253 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with the guy who was with them 254 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: in prior seasons that I know you covered, and that's 255 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: Greg Roman, who was the offensive coordinator was eventually let 256 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: go hooked up with John's brother Jim in La with 257 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: the Hargers. What's the overall philosophy for Greg Roman? Are 258 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: you talking a lot of under center play action? Shotgun? 259 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: Obviously? 260 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: He used Lamar Jackson's legs extremely well. The run game 261 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: was fantastic. 262 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: Give me a thumbnail on what a Greg Roman offense 263 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: looks like. 264 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the thing with Greg that he's most 265 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: known for is the run game, and not only the 266 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: success of his running attacks, but the diversity of them. 267 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 3: You know, a lot of hell, He'll will run the 268 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: ball in any way you can think of, whether guards 269 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: he uses pulling guards, he'll run sweeps, he'll run between 270 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: the tackles, He'll use the quarterback out of shotgun, under center, 271 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 3: any any kind of way of fullback. You know, it 272 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: might be in something else that comes to blammy and 273 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: Patrick Recard with the Ravens has been a multi year 274 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: Pro Bowl quarterback or fallback. A lot of teams don't 275 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: even have a fullback on the roster. It be interesting 276 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: to me whether the Giants have a fullback that is 277 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: used a lot as a blocker. So he had two 278 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: and three tight ends. Greg Roman loves to use multiple 279 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: tight ends as well. So yeah, that's what That's the 280 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: strength of Greg Roman. What he's kind of built his 281 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: his career on is that wherever he goes, a strong 282 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 3: running running attack follows. And I would assume that'll be 283 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: the philosophy he brings to the Giants. 284 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it certainly sounds like he's gonna have an 285 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: influence on the run game here, which which makes a 286 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: lot of sense. Curious in terms of how he used 287 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: and I know we kind of saw, but you were 288 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: up close and personal. If there's something you saw in 289 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: the way he used Lamar Jackson as a runner that 290 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: that kind of struck you as interesting because the Giants 291 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: do have a mobile quarterback in Jackson Dard obviously not 292 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: the athlete that Lamar Jackson is was probably the most 293 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: athletic quarterback in the history of football, but clearly Darts 294 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: somebody the Giants are gonna want to use his legs 295 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. 296 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: So how how did. 297 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: Roman kind of integrate Lamar Lamar's mobility into both the 298 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: past game and the run game right. 299 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: Well, as you mentioned it, Lamar is one of one, 300 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: but I think yes he will. He will try me 301 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: try and take advantage of Jackson dar as a bill 302 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 3: running ability in that, you know, hitting them, hitting opponents 303 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: sometimes when they don't expect it, uh, you know, and 304 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: always making sure that when he's gonna run, Jackson Dart 305 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: that at least you know there's one one block or 306 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: maybe out in front of him, they can kind of, 307 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: you know, give him a little room you want. You 308 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: want your quarterback when he's running to be an open space. 309 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: You don't want him to have to get past two 310 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: or three guys. Uh, He'll also use darts, I think 311 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: ability to run as a lot of you might see 312 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: some more RPOs where Jackson Dart is given the you know, 313 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: option of whether he wants to keep it or run 314 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: it himself. Like all coaches, Gray's gonna try and figure 315 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: out what guys do best and then use that, you know, 316 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: I think, you know, when he was justin Herbert out 317 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: there with the Chargers, Herbert ran a little bit more. 318 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: He took more advantage of Herbert's mobility, but again, you 319 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: also don't want your quarterback getting too many hits. So 320 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: it's kind of a balance he's gonna have to strike. 321 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: But I think he's very good at doing that. And 322 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: obviously having Lamar, he's had a really good experience with 323 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: the guy who can really use his legs, So I 324 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: think that's going to help him figure out how to 325 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: best use Jackson Dart and his ability to run. 326 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: And then in terms of the in terms of the 327 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: run game, obviously, Derrick Henry Comes the last two years 328 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: became kind of the Bellcap, but before that it was 329 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: really a running back back committee situation. Right, So he's 330 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: going to use a lot of guys in different ways. 331 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the way most NFL teams go, And 332 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: so yeah, I would expect that. 333 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 4: I mean, Derek Henrvey one of one. 334 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: When you have a guy like that, then that kind 335 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: of changes the equation of how much you want to 336 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: use him. But yeah, I think that running back back 337 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: committee and taking the wear and tear off of one 338 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 3: guy is generally a good way to go. 339 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: No question about it, all right. 340 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: And then Willie Taggert the off of the running backs coach, 341 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: former head coach in college. 342 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of experience. What did you learn from him? 343 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: What is he all about as he arrives to help 344 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: on the Giants offensive side of the ball. 345 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: Well, William was a former college quarterback, you know, and 346 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: also as a running back coach. You know, he's a 347 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: guy who I feel like uses wants to figure out 348 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: what all the running backs in the room can do 349 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: and then try and sprinkle them in. I mean, Derrick 350 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: Henry obviously was the guy in Baltimore. But excuse me, 351 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: you saw Justice Hill a couple of years ago had 352 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: his best season in NFL. I think Willie tagger has 353 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: something to do with that. A Keaton Mitchell really a 354 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: speedy guy that the Ravens has a running back. Willie, 355 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: I think, you know, was an advocate of making sure 356 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: that Keaton could have a few plays where his speed, 357 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: you know, contracted with Derrick Henry's power might be able 358 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: to you know, get in there and break a run 359 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 3: or two. So, yeah, Willie is very very close to 360 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: John Harball. He's like he's like another Harball brother. Basically, 361 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: I think he was the best man at he was 362 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: the best man at Jim Harball's wedding. He played for 363 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: Jack Harball at Western Kentucky. He's he's a great friend 364 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: of John Harball's. And yeah, kind of when Willie is 365 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: not a head coach, wherever one of the Horrorball is 366 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 3: is prior where you'll find him as a coach. 367 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 4: So I'm certainly not surprised that he's in New York. 368 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: Johnsontle podcast brought to you by Citizens, Official Bank of 369 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: the Giants who gain They celebrations your everyday financial needs. 370 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: Big Blue Fans get the most out have every moment 371 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: with Citizens. Learn more at Citizens bank dot com slash Giants. 372 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: All right, Clifton, let's jump over to the defensive side. 373 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: Of the Ball. 374 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: Denard Wilson going to do a longer podcast with with 375 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: someone that covered him for the Titans a little bit 376 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: later in the week. But he was with the Ravens 377 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: for one year as a defensive backs coach. So give 378 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: me a thumbnail on on what you saw from him 379 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: as a Dbeast coach and kind of what his philosophy 380 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: is back there and coverage. 381 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Dinard is a guy that you know. 382 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 3: To me, when you talk to people about him, they 383 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 3: talk about how you know, bright he is and you know, 384 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 3: potential head coach in the future, and definitely you know, 385 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 3: a quality defensive coordinator who, Yeah, his strength is one 386 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: of his strange I think is that he'll he'll show 387 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: you multiple looks in the secondary. I mean here in Baltimore, 388 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 3: you know, working with a guy like Kyle Hamilton, you know, 389 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 3: is a huge advantage, who has a tremendous skill set 390 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: that you can use in so many ways. I think 391 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: though he will be Lenard looking for players like that 392 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: in New York who you know, can they play both 393 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: you know, the slot and outside. Can they play you know, 394 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 3: in the backfield or deep safety and run up to 395 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: or can they blitz you know, those those type of 396 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 3: multiple looks. I think it's what most defensive quoters are 397 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 3: looking for. 398 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 4: Now. 399 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 3: You got to try and keep some of these quarterbacks 400 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: off balance, because if you don't, if you show them 401 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: the same look all the time or most of the time, 402 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 3: they're gonna figure out how to use it. So, yeah, 403 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 3: Denard when he came here, I believe he had come 404 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 3: from the Eagles, and yeah, the one year here, I 405 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 3: think people kind of knew he probably wasn't gonna be 406 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: here for long unless he was a coordinator, because he 407 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 3: had kind of like transcended just being a position coach 408 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: that you know, he was viewed as as a future 409 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: quot and then you know, he went on to Tennessee. 410 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that him knowing John Harboll, obviously 411 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: John liked what he saw from Dinard the one year 412 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 3: he was here. For him to be back with the Giants, 413 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 3: I think it was a good get for them to 414 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: get Denard as a coach, and yeah, I expected he'll 415 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: do a very good job there. 416 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it struck me that that Harball went with a 417 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: guy like Wilson, even though there were other defensive coaches 418 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: that had been coordinated that he had more experience with 419 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: so that that probably tells me that he was pretty 420 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: impressed with what he brought to that side of the ball. 421 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: And we talked about it before Clifton. John Harber has 422 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: a pretty good history of figuring out who the good 423 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: defensive coaches are going to be and putting them in 424 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: these spots to help his team. 425 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, no question. I mean Dinard is a leader. You know, 426 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 3: he's got that personality. Yeah, you can kind of see 427 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: he checks a lot of boxes. You know, he's still, 428 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: you know, a relatively young guy too, So I think 429 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: the players are going to connect with him. You know, 430 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: that was the word out affiliated. You know, a lot 431 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: of players like playing for Dennard the one. 432 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 4: Year he was here. 433 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: You know, he had a good re I felt like 434 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: with a lot a lot of defensive players, not just 435 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: the secondary. So yeah, I mean, as you said, John Horball, 436 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: well he John Horball as a coach who is not 437 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: afraid to have strong personalities around him. He really wants 438 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: a staff that challenges him, just like he's going to 439 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: challenge them. And you know, I think Denard is one 440 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: of those guys who you know, he's coming with ideas, 441 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: he's asking John he's telling John like, look, Maye, why 442 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: don't we try try and do this? 443 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 4: Should we change that? 444 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: That's kind of what John wants from a coordinator or 445 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: from assistant coach. And yeah, he obviously got that from 446 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: Thenard and that's why he's there. 447 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: All right, Let's go over to Dennis Johnson, former Celtics 448 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: point guard and I'm just kidding, the defensive line coach 449 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: for the Ravens coming over to do the same thing 450 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: here for the Giants obviously Baltimore, even though maybe this 451 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: year their pass rush is in what it has been historically. Historically, 452 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: the Ravens front is kind of what defines them on defense, big, powerful, physical. 453 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: What does Dennis Johnson bring to that unit as a 454 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: defensive line coach. 455 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Dennis is definitely one of those guys that 456 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 3: I practice. You hear his voice more than most coaches. 457 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: He's he's a vocal coach. He likes to demonstrate, you know, drills, 458 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 3: a lot of talking. Yeah, I think that. Yeah, he 459 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 3: is a guy who players again, they gravitate to because, yeah, 460 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: he'll be on the bag, you know, demonstrating a drill, 461 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 3: you how to use your hands. Yeah, he lets you 462 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: know when he's happy, he'll let you know, like we 463 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 3: need to run that drill again. So yeah, I mean 464 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: I think that he's a guy who, you know, I 465 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 3: like his personality. I kind of like coaches who you know, 466 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: you can go overboard with that, but really they're not 467 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 3: only telling you what they want you to do, they're 468 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 3: showing you. And yeah, the defensive line now, to me, 469 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 3: is crucially important, always has been. You know, you talk 470 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 3: about winning the trenches, but you see teams that dominate 471 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: up front, like the Seahawks did in the Super Bowl, 472 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 3: like the Eagles did last year. If you can dominate 473 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: upfront or win that battle front defenser and put pressure 474 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 3: on quarterbacks and snipe out the running game, that's a 475 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 3: great formula to win. I mean, So that's what you know, 476 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 3: He's they hope that, you know, Denard John hope that 477 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: Denard helps their young defensive line and develop and maybe 478 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: show some of the vets, you know, some techniques that 479 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: could even help them even though they've been in the 480 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: league for a long time. So yeah, I always enjoyed, 481 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 3: you know, watching him work with guys during practices because. 482 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 4: As again, like you know, it wasn't hard to find 483 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 4: Dennis when he was out. 484 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: There, no question. 485 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: All right, Now, let's go to the guy who's gonna 486 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: be his assistant defensive line coach here, that's Matt Robinson. 487 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: He was the linebacker coach, I believe right in Baltimore, 488 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: younger coach. Tell me what you what you can tell 489 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: us about him in terms of as an up and 490 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: comer on that side of the ball. 491 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you hit on the head. I 492 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: think Matt is a guy who as a young coach, 493 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: he's learning a lot from other guys on the staff. 494 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: But yeah, he he learns quickly, and then he has 495 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 3: he also has the ability you know, to me, he 496 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 3: struck me more as a as a teacher type, you know, 497 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: coach who really could give you information that would help you. 498 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think this is a good situation 499 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: for him to be coming to a team where he 500 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: already knows quite a few guys on the staff, he'll 501 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: get to work with new players. 502 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that he's a guy. 503 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 3: Again, I'm not surprised that he went with John in 504 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 3: that he's kind of tracking like a lot of John's 505 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: assistant coaches that you know, stay in this system, you know, 506 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 3: stay with coach Harl Ball it's just gonna lead to better, 507 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: better things. 508 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 4: And yeah, as far as what he'll bring. 509 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 3: Yes, I do feel that you know as a teacher 510 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: that he and Dennis and the defensive staff, he's a 511 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: guy that you know he'll blend in well. 512 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 4: And the STATAFF even though it's a new staff. 513 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: You want as much communication and familiarity with the coaches 514 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 3: so so you can translate that to the players. I 515 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 3: think Matt will help will help John do that. 516 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: And then a load of younger guys the Giants are 517 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: bringing over from them from the Raven staff, just so 518 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: fans have the names. Adam Shack will be on the 519 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, Matt Peas so I'm assuming 520 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: he is a son of Dean P's is that correct? 521 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: But that I would guess. I would guess Donald A. 522 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: Lesio's coming over. Brandon Clark on the defensive side of 523 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: the ball as well. And you don't have to talk 524 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: about those guys specifically Clifton, But in terms of being 525 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: an incubator for training up young coaches, just knowing where 526 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: the harballs come from with their father and it's a 527 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: coaching family, I have to imagine being an incubator for 528 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: some of these young coaches has to be very high 529 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: on his priority list. 530 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, no question. And you know I mean John and 531 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 4: his brother Jim. 532 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: You know they've They've and Jack They've started, you know, 533 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: this Harrball Coaching Academy a few years ago. They they 534 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: want to leave a legacy of coaching behind them, and 535 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: that's that's really what they've already done and are continuing 536 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: to do. I mean, people talk about coaching trees. The 537 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: Harball tree is continues to grow. I think you're gonna 538 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 3: see more and more coaches that have worked for him 539 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 3: become coordinators, become head coaches. They have a philosophy on 540 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: you know, not only how you should coach, but you 541 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 3: know how you should deal with players, and how you 542 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: should help players, you know, become better playing football and 543 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 3: also becoming just better at dealing with life situations. Now, 544 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: you know, the bottom line is to win, so that's 545 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: always at the forefront. How do we help these guys 546 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: become better players so we can win. But you know, 547 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: John Harball is a relationship guy. The Harball family is 548 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 3: a relationship family, and that's why people stay with them. 549 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 3: I mean, they they have a way of treating people 550 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: like family in a way, and players appreciate that. And 551 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: so you'll find a lot of players that played for 552 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 3: him when they want to go into coaching or they 553 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: start thinking about going to coaching is because of the 554 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 3: Hardball influence. So all of that is gonna come, you know, 555 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 3: to New York. You know, I watched his press conference there. 556 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: I saw his father, you know, watching him. You know, 557 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 3: I saw you know, obviously his family being there. But yes, 558 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: I mean that's a fan of coaching is the family 559 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 3: business for the Harballs, and that's not going to change 560 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: in New York. 561 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 562 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 2: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're 563 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 564 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd 565 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: like to learn about an Mowliar team. 566 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 4: Yes, I knew I could. 567 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: Help make sense of your money with Citizens. 568 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: All Right, a couple more in Harball before we say goodbye, Clifton, 569 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: and I appreciate the time. You were very generous with it. 570 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: If there's one thing Giant fans should know about what 571 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: a John Harbaugh coach team looks like, even if as 572 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: you've seen the talent change from your year, the players change. 573 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: What are some of the consistent things that you will 574 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: see from a Harrball team year in year out. 575 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 4: Physicality They yes, we want to impose their will and yeah, 576 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 4: they come to be the most dominant team, the most 577 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 4: physical team, no matter what. Running the football and stopping 578 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 4: the run. 579 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 3: That's the basic philosophy of what he wants to do, 580 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 3: regardless of what personnel he has. U trying to limit, 581 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 3: limit big plays, making you a team, you know, an offense. 582 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 3: If you're gonna score on us, you're gonna have to 583 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 3: do it the hard way. And then yeah, I'm interested 584 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: to see. You know some things that you know didn't 585 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 3: go as well the last couple of years in Baltimore, 586 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 3: like protecting leads. Uh, that was that was an issue 587 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: in Baltimore. There were too many games that got away 588 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: from the Ravens where they were leading the last couple 589 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: of years. It really cost them. Ball security is huge 590 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 3: with with coach Harball, and you know last year with 591 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 3: the Ravens that was not as good as it had 592 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: been in the past. So, yeah, every team takes its 593 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: own identityentity, but very Oregon on John Harball is you know, 594 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: a professional football coach. He knows how to run practices, 595 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: he knows how to deal with the media, he knows 596 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 3: how to relate the players. So he's been through this 597 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: so much for so long that he just brings a 598 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: certain level of credibility to the job. I mean he's 599 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 3: not learning on the job. Yeah, he he knows exactly 600 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 3: what the head coach should do how to be successful, 601 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 3: and he's done a dies level. I mean he's won 602 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl and he's he's made the playoffs multiple times. 603 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think for the Giants, yeah, after some 604 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: of the things they've been through over the last you know, 605 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 3: eight to ten years, ever since Tom Coughlin left. Yes, 606 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 3: John harboll is that type of guy that you know, 607 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 3: just like Tom Coughlin. They're two different individuals, but another 608 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: professional football coach knew exactly what the job entailed, could 609 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: really hand almost any situation. 610 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 4: That's what the Giants are getting in Coach Harbor. 611 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: I hate using these labels. 612 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: You consider him more of a Has he developed into 613 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: more of a player's coach as he's gone along, or 614 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: is he really more of that you know, drill sergeant, 615 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, this splenarian type. And again, I hate to 616 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: put guys in those types of buckets. 617 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 3: But soxactly, I mean to go, yeah, right, I think that, Yeah, 618 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: he's definitely evolved. That's another thing about coach Allbos that yeah, 619 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: even you know, he's not the same coach that he 620 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 3: was when he came into the league. I feel like 621 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: he probably felt he had to establish a certain identity 622 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: with players and you know, certain things have to be 623 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: my way. And I think he is adjusted over the 624 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: years to become you know, listening to players more than 625 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 3: maybe he did earlier in his career. 626 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 4: There was a player's. 627 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: Counsel here with the Ravens where three or four veterans 628 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: could go to him if there was a problem, if 629 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 3: they wanted to change something. His door was always open 630 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: to them because he wanted He likes to get players 631 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 3: freedom as far as you know that you can say 632 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: what you want. You know, he doesn't like to put 633 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 3: guys in a box. Personality wise. You can't talk to 634 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: the media about this. He's not that type of coach. 635 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: But he obviously he wants to know what players are 636 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: th and if there's a problem, he doesn't want the fester. 637 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 3: So I think he's a code to There are certain 638 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 3: things like being in shape, playing together that he will 639 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: never waiver on. 640 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 4: But there are other. 641 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 3: Things that he will consider waving on if he thinks 642 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: it's best for the team. But you're gonna hear a 643 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 3: lot of harball harball isms I call him, and one. 644 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 4: Of them is the team, the team, the team. 645 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: When he's making decisions about what he should do, a 646 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: lot of it always comes down to what he thinks 647 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: is best for the team, not for Jackson Darter or 648 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 3: whatever player you want to name, what's best for the team. 649 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: And so you're gonna see a lot of that in 650 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: the decisions that he makes. 651 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: It's funny. 652 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: I interviewed Tom Kaughlin after the hire, and you know 653 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: him and John are very close over the years, and 654 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: that was the first thing he said too. Everything is team, team, team, 655 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: so they very much are cut from the same clot. 656 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: There are only two more questions. How much does he 657 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: pop his head? He's a former special teams coach, right, 658 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: but he coaches everything. How much does he pop? Is 659 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: said in the defensive meeting room and more specifically for us, 660 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: just because I'm curious to see what this Matt Naggi, 661 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: Brian Callahan, Greg Roman conglomeration is gonna look like on offense? 662 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: How much does he kind of give an outline for 663 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: what he wants like the offense to look like and 664 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: he tells me, all right, you guys can color within 665 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: these lines, but here are the principles I want the 666 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: offense to adhere to. Or does he really hand the 667 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: keys to his offensive coach and say, all right, figure 668 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: out the best way to do this. 669 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: I got your back. 670 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, only you know coaches know exactly what goes 671 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 3: on behind closed doors. But I'll say this that you 672 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: know John views. I believe he's oversees everything. But you know, 673 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: obviously as a former special teams coach, former defensant coach, 674 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 3: that would be his you know, area of most strength, 675 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: I would say, And offensively, he oversees everything. If he 676 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: doesn't like something, obviously he has no hesitation about letting 677 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: that be known. 678 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 4: But I do think he with. 679 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 3: The play caller, particularly and the offense during game days, 680 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 3: he likes that person to have the freedom to get 681 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 3: in the flow of the game. And there's an art 682 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: to play calling, sure, defensively and offensively, but to my opinion, 683 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: particularly offensively, where you know, the best play callers have 684 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 3: they all have a game plan coming in, but you 685 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: kind of get a feel for what's working early, a 686 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 3: feel for when a certain when's the right time to 687 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 3: call a play, when's the right time to use this formation. 688 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: There's so much to it that you know, having not 689 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 3: been in the offensive play caller, John will rely on 690 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator on game days and you know, during 691 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 3: the week and the quarterback to figure out that side 692 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: of the ball and how they want to play things. 693 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 3: And then if things don't go well or John is 694 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: seeing it get away, then he'll try and get them 695 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 3: back into what he wants. But yeah, I mean, as 696 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: the head coach, you're responsible for everything. And John, even 697 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 3: though he's quote unquote a CEO type you know coaches, 698 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 3: that's the label they put on him. To me, he's 699 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: intimately evolved, all fingerprints on all phases of football. 700 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 4: You know, his fingerprints are on it. 701 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: And final question, you brought me to my last one. 702 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: His finger prints are goun be on everything. This is 703 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: his building now right And a lot of the talk 704 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: when he got here, how we walk work part of 705 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: me in conjunction with Joe Shane to collaborate on decisions 706 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: in terms of player evaluation, player acquisition, and the draft 707 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: and free agency. How much of an influence did he 708 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: have with Ozzie Newsom h with the costa in the 709 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: player acquisition process, whether it was the draft or free 710 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: agency with the Ravens. 711 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Ravens have always been collaborative, but 712 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 3: I think they've one of their strings is that they've 713 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: had great success working together as a tanem. I mean, 714 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 3: you know, Ozzie Newsome, you know, one of the greatest 715 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 3: of all time. 716 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 4: Eric DaCosta has been. 717 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 3: With the Rayvens from the beginning, you know, always, you know, 718 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 3: Eric's or Ozzie's top lieutenant until he became general manager. 719 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 3: And Eric still have a close relationship. They're both in 720 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: the building all the time working together. And then John 721 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 3: and Eric were next door neighbors in addition to being 722 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 3: head coach and general manager and all our friends and 723 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 3: obviously starting to top with Steve Bshatti as the owner. 724 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 4: So that type of formula is hard to replicate. 725 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 3: But I'm you know, I've seen and read you know, 726 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 3: and people asking Joe Shane about their relationship. I think 727 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 3: they'll be fine because John knows that they need to 728 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 3: work well together in order to have success. Once you 729 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: start having you know, breakdowns and communications and you know 730 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 3: people being rigid. You know, I want this guy. Uh no, 731 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 3: I want that guy. We can't agree, then you're gonna 732 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: have problems. So I don't think that's gonna be a 733 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 3: problem for John Halball and for the Giants, because you know, 734 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: he comes from an organization that knows how important it 735 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: is that everybody has a chance to do their job, 736 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: have healthy disagreement, express your opinion. But when you draft 737 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 3: a player, when you're drafting a you know, or making 738 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 3: a trade, you're bringing in a Giant. This isn't like 739 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 3: my player, my pick. It's the Ravens pick. If you 740 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 3: keep that philosophy. We're trying to do what's best for 741 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 3: the Giants. So if it's a guy that I liked 742 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 3: better than you did, well fine, but. 743 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 4: It's not my pick, it's the giants pick. 744 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 3: I think that's the philosophy that you know John's going 745 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 3: to bring, and I think you know those type things 746 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 3: will work out. 747 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 4: That won't be I don't think while the. 748 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 3: Giants succeed or fail, the relationship between John and the 749 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 3: general manager and general manager owner. I think John is 750 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 3: to steady and has too much experience to let that happen. 751 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: Hey, well can if the coach is clear on the 752 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: type of players that he wants and lets the scoutings 753 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: have understand that, usually that works, right. I think where 754 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: you run the issues is where the front office doesn't 755 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: doesn't quite get what the coach wants. And something tells 756 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 1: me John Harball is not going to be shy about 757 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: explaining exactly the type of player that he wants on 758 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: his team. 759 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 3: No, he had to say, or you know, I asked 760 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 3: him about a player one time who didn't have a 761 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 3: lot to say, and John said, you know, I prefer 762 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 3: brief and brilliant. You know, so he wants you to say, 763 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 3: I like that. You have to say right, say it quickly, 764 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 3: but have it meaning. 765 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 4: So. Yes, John is very clear. 766 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 3: Even when you don't agree with him, you understand what 767 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 3: he said. 768 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: Clifton, awesome stuff, man. 769 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: Anything we missed that that you think in terms of 770 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: the staff or John or the Ravens culture that you 771 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: think Giant fans should be prepared for as we kind 772 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: of start to kick off this offseason process with the 773 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: combine next week. 774 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 3: No, I mean I think yeah, Giants fans should be excited. 775 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: I'm interested, you know, to see, you know how what 776 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 3: the expectations are for immediate success for John among you know, 777 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 3: Giants fans. I mean, I think he's coming to a 778 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: team that has potential, but certainly he know isn't coming 779 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 3: into a ready made situation. It's going to take a 780 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 3: little time for everything that he his vision. 781 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 4: In Giants to take place. So we'll see how good. 782 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 3: I mean, all these jobs are challenging, but again I 783 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 3: do believe that, yes, that that with the move, Giants 784 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 3: made the right move. He was available, he was the 785 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 3: guy they wanted. They acted quickly, he wanted to come there. 786 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 3: It seems like a really really good fit. So yeah, 787 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 3: I think Giants fans have reason to be excited because 788 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 3: they got the guy who they wanted. And you don't 789 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 3: have to ask if John Harball is capable of winning 790 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. 791 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 4: He's already been there, done that. 792 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: And you know one thing I forgot to ask you, Clifton, 793 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: how aggressive has he been in adopting some of the 794 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: go for it on fourth down stuff that that's kind 795 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: of permeated the league over the years. Is he gonna 796 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: be more aggressive in some of these fourth downs around 797 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: midfield or is he gonna go more on the conservative side. 798 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 4: No, he's one of the more aggressive guys. 799 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 3: I mean, analytics definitely plays into what he does. But 800 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 3: there's also times too where he goes with his gut feel. 801 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 3: He's not totally wed to the numbers. He wants the information, 802 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 3: but if he feels, like on fourth down, that the 803 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 3: players think they can make it and they want to 804 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 3: go for it, he usually is gonna roll with that. 805 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 3: He's a guy who I think likes backing his players 806 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 3: if they want to go for it, if they want 807 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 3: to be aggressive, and he's an aggressive guy by nature. Yeah, 808 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 3: he'll be continue to be one of the more aggressive 809 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 3: guys in that area. 810 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: Clifton, great stuff, man. Are you going out to the 811 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: combine in Indy? 812 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 4: I am. 813 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: I will see out there, my friend. 814 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: Always good to talk to you, and let's catch up 815 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: over some shrimp cocktail out there at the sand levels, right. 816 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 4: Thanks, enjoyed it. 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