1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: I honestly did not know how to react. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 2: I saw it. 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Is this a mistake? 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 3: Is this a miss friend? 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 4: This is a bit of hope that we can continue 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 4: to hide on for a little bit longer. 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 5: There are so many peers being sad. People are so 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 5: just elated. 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: You know, this is just wonderful, wonderful news. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 6: From futuro media. It's Latino USA. I'm Maria Inojosa. On Thursday, 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 6: June eighteenth, the Supreme Court issued a ruling that upheld 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 6: the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals Program, better known as DHAKA. 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 6: The program was started under the Obama administration in twenty 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 6: twelve under pressure from immigration rights activists. 15 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: Effective and mediately, the Department of Homeland Security is taking 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: steps to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people. 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 6: DACA aimed to protect undocumented immigrants who were brought to 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 6: this country as children by offering them a temporary stay 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 6: of deportation along with the chance to apply for a 20 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 6: permit to work and study in the United States. But 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 6: several years later, the newly elected Trump administration tried to 22 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 6: get rid of DACA. Then Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 6: that the program would be eliminated in September of twenty seventeen. 24 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 5: The program known as DACA that was effactuated under the 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 5: Obama administration is being rescinded. 26 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 6: Lawsuits were immediately filed in states across the country challenging 27 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 6: the Trump administration's move. Eventually, the case made its way 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 6: to the Supreme Court. The stakes were high. 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: This case was. 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 6: Jebpordizing hundreds of thousands of people's chances to reside, work, 31 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 6: and live full life lives in the United States. For 32 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 6: the last two years, since President Trump announced his administration's 33 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 6: intention to do away with DACA, it's been especially uncertain 34 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 6: for those who were left to wonder if they would 35 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 6: even have a future in this country at all. The 36 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 6: Supreme Court's decision last week means that more than seven 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 6: hundred thousand recipients can now stay under the existing parameters 38 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 6: of the DOCA program, at least for now. The five 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 6: to four decision came as a shock to many from 40 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 6: both critics. 41 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 5: What we have is a Supreme Court saying that's not 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 5: good enough. 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: You need to go back at it, you need to 44 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: relook at that. 45 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 6: And that's very troubling to me as well as supporters 46 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 6: of the DOCA program. 47 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: It's easy to be pessimistic given the landscape in the 48 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: country and how much DOOCO holders and their families have 49 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: had to go through under this administration. 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 6: Our Latino USA producer Alexandra Salasad has been following this 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 6: story and joins me now to talk about how this 52 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 6: case has impacted DOCA recipients. Ali, welcome to the show. 53 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 4: Hey, Mariie, it's good to be here. 54 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 3: You're on this side of the mic now. 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 6: Usually you're a producer out on the streets, but now 56 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 6: you're going to help us understand this particular story. And 57 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 6: this is one of the most awighted decisions from the 58 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 6: Supreme Court's term. So let's step back for a moment 59 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 6: and get a sense of how important DACA, which again 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 6: is the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, How important 61 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 6: is it for the people who are part of this program. 62 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: DOCER recipients they came to the US when they were 63 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: very young, usually as babies or young children with their parents, 64 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: and they were undocumented immigrants. That context is very important 65 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: because the oldest DOCER recipients would still be in their 66 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: thirties right now. And speaking broadly, they consider the United States, 67 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: where many came of age as their home. So I'm 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: not necessarily going to dive deep into the history of DACA, 69 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: because that's a whole other podcast series. But the reasons 70 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 2: this program is so important in a nutshell, is that 71 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: it allows hundreds of thousands of people, many of them Dreamers, 72 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: though not all Dreamers are DACA recipients, that's important to note. 73 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: But it allows them to securely live in this country, 74 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: to go to college, to access educational opportunities, to get jobs, 75 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: and support their families here and in their birth country. 76 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: I recently did speak with one of those recipients in 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: the weeks leading up to the Supreme Court decision. Her 78 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: name is Dalia Larrius. She applied to the program back 79 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, just when President Obama's administration rolled it 80 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: out for the very first time. Dalia told me that 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: she was really excited about the DACA program, but she 82 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: was very wary of it too. She was pretty nervous 83 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: because it was something she'd never seen before. 84 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 3: It was new to her. 85 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 7: It definitely seemed like something that was very very temporary 86 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 7: two years at a time. It gave no path to 87 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 7: sit ship or any other form of legalization. 88 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: Dalia's family moved to Mesa, Arizona, from a small town 89 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: near Golima, Mexico, when she was just ten years old. 90 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: It's a story very similar to that of a lot 91 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: of other DOCA recipients, and she remembers the time that 92 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: the program ruled out. She remembers it really clearly. She 93 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: had just graduated from Arizona State University. She was an 94 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: undocumented student, and she'd been undocumented for all four years 95 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: of undergrad I. 96 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 7: Knew I wanted to be a doctor, and I remember thinking, 97 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 7: you know, this is the door to that next step. 98 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 7: This has to be it. 99 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: But even though this looked like the next step, this 100 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: felt right like the next step, it was still a 101 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: leap of faith. 102 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: You know. 103 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: The DOC application asks for a lot of personal information, 104 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: and a lot of people who maybe aren't DOCA holders 105 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: or don't know too much about the program closely, might 106 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: not realize it. But you have to pass a background check. 107 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: You have to disclose if you have any kind of 108 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: criminal record or any interactions with law enforcement, if you've 109 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: ever been incarcerated. You have to give your academic history. 110 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: You have to prove that you came to the United 111 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: States when you were younger than sixteen years old, and 112 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: that you've lived here continuously, which often means disclosing details, 113 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 2: really personal, intimate details about your family. 114 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 7: I think it put a huge question on the immigrant community. 115 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 7: You know, if there were to end, what would the 116 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 7: government do with all that information? You know, with all 117 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 7: those things in mind, I still went ahead and I applied. 118 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: She enrolled in the program. And dad Ye's big picture 119 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: dream was to attend medical school. And you know, the 120 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: medical school application process is already arduous and costly, and 121 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: you know, you've got the MCAT, you've got applications, you've 122 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: got essays, you've got interview after interview. On top of that, 123 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: she faced additional hurdles because of her legal status. 124 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 7: Even with DAKA, the minute they would hear the word undocumented, 125 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 7: it just absolutely deterred them. And and they would say, 126 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 7: you know, we don't consider those types of students. You 127 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 7: have to be a US citizen, you have to be 128 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 7: a resident. 129 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: But you know, here's the amazing part of her story, 130 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: which is she made it. Dahalia is doctor Ladrios now. 131 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: She graduated from Harvard Medical School last year, and this 132 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: month she's wrapping up her first year of residency at 133 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, which brings us back 134 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: to your question, Madia. For undocumented immigrants, so much energy 135 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: and effort on a regular basis is spent maintaining this 136 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: already precarious situation you're in in staying safe in this 137 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: country that can be threatening you and your loved ones 138 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: and your livelihood, but it's also the place you call home. 139 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: So what DACA does is that it offers some of 140 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: these people security. It's not as secure as safel citizenship. 141 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: Dahlia still needs to renew her DAKA status every two years, 142 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: so do other recipients, but you know, it's still security, 143 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: and that security translates into time and opportunities, and it's 144 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: not an easy process by any means. But the way 145 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: that Dolly explained it to me, it takes a crucial 146 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: weight off your shoulders. 147 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 6: People might forget how emotionally charged these decisions are to, 148 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 6: for example, sign up for DACA, but the people who 149 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 6: did essentially have built their lives here in the United 150 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 6: States because of this program, and they had this kind 151 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 6: of sense of stability. But then you know, in twenty seventeen, 152 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 6: Donald Trump wins the government then under his direction, decides 153 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 6: that they want to try to end the program, and 154 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 6: that's followed by several high profile court cases where DACA 155 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 6: itself has essentially been under constant threat. So how did 156 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 6: the Trump administration justify trying to end this program? 157 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: First off, just to be clear, the Trump administration can 158 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: end DACA, that's not in question. That was before the 159 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 2: court was if they did it correctly, if they did 160 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: it right, and if they justified it correctly. So I 161 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: did really want to understand the legal elements of this case. 162 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: So to do that, I called up Paige Austin. She's 163 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: an attorney for Make the Road, New York, an immigrants 164 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: rights organization, and she's been involved with this case for 165 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: years since before it even came before the Supreme Court. 166 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: Now Page told me that the government had offered some 167 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: sort of pretense for ending the program, so they claimed 168 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: DOCA was contrary to law, or to put it more plainly. 169 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: They said, well, doca's illegal. The government's going to be sued, 170 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: and so our hands are tied. We have to end 171 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: the DACA program because it's unlawful. 172 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: So here's the cliff notes version. When an agency like 173 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: the Department of Homeland Security, which runs DACA, alters a 174 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: program like this, it just it has to explain why. 175 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: After the termination of DOCA was announced, lawsuits cropped up 176 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: all over the country arguing that the gu government didn't 177 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: do that. They didn't properly explain why. They said that 178 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: the administration's reasoning for calling DACA illegal was just insufficient. 179 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, this is a little bit of extrapolation, but 180 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: I think that the likely reason that they did that 181 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: was because they wanted to have their cake and eat 182 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: it too. They wanted to terminate the program, but without 183 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: taking the blame for doing it. 184 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: There were enough lawsuits across the country making this argument 185 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: that three of them got bundled up into the one 186 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: that ended up before the Supreme Court. Now, the court 187 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: ended up agreeing with the PRODACA team, which is where 188 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: we ended up. 189 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 7: Now. 190 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: It said the government's justification didn't hold water. 191 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 6: So we're talking about two years for the Supreme Court 192 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 6: to make this decision. And during those two years, these 193 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 6: are undocumented young people, mostly whose lives are in this 194 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 6: kind of limbo and really deeply emotionally impacted by this 195 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 6: lack of clarity regarding AO impacting their lives. So I'm wondering, 196 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 6: what have you been able to find out Ali in 197 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 6: terms of kind of the emotional toll that this back 198 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 6: and forth and lack of clarity on DACA, what did 199 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 6: it mean for the people who were actually going to 200 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 6: be the most affected by this. 201 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: Whenever DOCA faces political challenges like this, even if it's 202 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: not to this giant scale, but it reverberates through the 203 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: lives of DOCA recipients like Ballia, which is what she 204 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: told me. And reality just remained really fragile as the 205 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: Supreme Court case continued. I mean, you saw week after 206 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: week a decision just wouldn't arrive. When the decision did 207 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: finally drop, I texted doctor Ladio's that same morning. She 208 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: wasn't able to hop on the phone then and there, 209 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: but she messaged back and she told me verbatim, there's 210 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 2: a lot of emotions, and you know, this was text 211 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: but clearly I think I guess that was an understatement. Anyway, 212 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: she was dealing with a patient emergency at the time 213 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: time that I texted her and the time that the 214 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: decision came out, because that's what she's been doing on 215 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: a regular basis. We actually talked about this though a 216 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: while back before the decision was released. Doctor Latios told 217 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: me that one of her coping mechanisms essentially was to 218 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: focus on her patients, to focus on her work that 219 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: she's so passionate about. 220 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 7: But it's only when I sort of get home and 221 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 7: I have this extra time that that reality can really 222 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 7: sink in and I realized that there's so much that 223 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 7: I can lose. 224 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: So before this decision came down, yeah, there was definitely 225 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: a lot of uncertainty about the future of the program 226 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: and what would happen to people's statuses based off of 227 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 2: whatever the Supreme Court said. But like Valiah and probably 228 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: many many others, they've been thinking about this for a 229 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: lot longer than a Supreme Court case. 230 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 7: There's sort of three big things that I think would 231 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 7: be losses and tremendous losses. One, I lose my home 232 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 7: this country. Although I was not born here, I have 233 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 7: been raised here and this is what I identify as home. 234 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: Home also means her community, her family. Doctor Ladrios told 235 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: me that she comes from a mixed status home, so 236 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: her siblings are US citizens and they helped her dad 237 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: become one too, and her mom has permanent residency and 238 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: is studying to take her citizenship test. 239 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 7: So I'm the only person in my family who's undocumented, 240 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 7: so it means losing my family as well. 241 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: And you know, of course, it would also mean losing 242 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: her career as a doctor, something that she's been working 243 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: towards her entire adult life. 244 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 7: It's hard to really put worse to all those losses 245 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 7: because after that, after you lose all of that, you 246 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 7: sort of ask yourself, what do I have left? 247 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: This goes beyond doctor Ladios. DOCA encompasses a vast and 248 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: diverse population. I mean, the program is often identified as 249 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: like a LATINX issue, but there are recipients from countries 250 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: all over the world, in Asia and Africa, the Middle East, 251 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: not just Latin America. And I also wanted to say 252 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: that we're so grateful that doctor Ladios can share her 253 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: story and that she has the platform to speak out 254 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: on this issue, and that she's worked hard to be 255 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: able to amplify her voice like this, But she's still 256 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: just one of thousands of people in this program. For 257 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: the large part, their status is secure for now, but 258 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: who knows what's waiting down the line. 259 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 6: When we come back, we talk about what was at 260 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 6: stake in this case and the very real risks that 261 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 6: DOACA holders face. 262 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: There are reasons for wanting to cancel the DCA program. 263 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: Let's face it, were never about legality, as far as 264 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: I'm concerned. They've always been about policy, about racial animates, 265 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: about xenophobia, about opposition to immigrants presence in the United States. 266 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: That's coming up on. Let the USA stay with us, 267 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: not the bias. 268 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 6: Hey, we're back and we're going to continue our conversation 269 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 6: now with Latino USA producer Alejandra Salasad, who's breaking down 270 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 6: the DACA case, and she's going to tell us about 271 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 6: what comes next after the Supreme Court decision. With the 272 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 6: existing DACA program in the clear right now, it still 273 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 6: is possible that DOCCA recipients seemed to be just, you know, 274 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 6: a court decision, an executive order away from having everything 275 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 6: put at risk potentially again. And I'm wondering whether or 276 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 6: not this conversation about these risks, these possible deportations. Was 277 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 6: this brought up at all before the Supreme Court. 278 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really wondering that too, So is Paige Austin, 279 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: the legal expert we spoke to. So I'm sure you saw. 280 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: But in December there were reports that ICE Immigration and 281 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: Customs Enforcement was actually reopening deportation cases against DOCCA recipients. 282 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: It didn't seem like they planned a stop either. It 283 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: looked like they were preparing to take action if this 284 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: decision went their way. 285 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: Since the argument in November, the Trump administration has made 286 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: clear through a number of different statements that they are 287 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: looking to deport DACA holders. 288 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 2: Chief Justice Robert's majority opinion rejected that premise completely. Justice 289 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: Soto Mayot, however, wrote a concurrent opinion saying that the 290 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: attorneys for DACA should have been able to try to 291 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: make that argument that there could be a legal case 292 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: to be made that the motivation behind ending DOCA was 293 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: discriminatory along with being unjustified. 294 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 6: Right, So, justices on the Supreme Court disagree with each other, 295 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 6: but there has been a particular kind of attention to 296 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 6: what's happening with this court. You have two Supreme Court 297 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 6: justices appointed by Donald Trump, and so ideologically there's just 298 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 6: a lot of shifting that's going on. So how did 299 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 6: that play into the legal strategy here. 300 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: Well, now the decision is out, we do have the 301 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: benefit of hindsight to take a look at the strategy. 302 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: Chief Justice Roberts, like I mentioned, wrote the majority opinion. 303 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: He was joined by Kagan, Ginsburg, Brayer, and Soto. 304 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: Mayor. 305 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: Trump's two appointees, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh both dissented, along with 306 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: Thomas and Alito. Now it's really interesting to consider this, 307 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: I think, because here's something else that page said that 308 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: really stood. 309 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 7: Out to me. 310 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: The Trump administration wanted to push the case up to 311 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court bypassing the appellate courts, sometimes in the 312 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: hopes of leveraging that conservative majority and getting the result 313 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: they wanted. 314 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: It was in keeping with what we've seen in the 315 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: last few years, which is essentially the government being allowed 316 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: to hopscotch over the courts of appeals and go straight 317 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. We knew that at that point 318 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: the fate of the DACA program rested with these nine 319 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: individuals in Washington. 320 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: I think this underscores just how momentous the Court's impact 321 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 2: really is. These landmark cases can affect millionions of people 322 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: in dramatic life altered ways. I mean, think of the 323 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: Supreme Court's greatest hits Roe v. Wade, Brown versus Board 324 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: of Education, Citizens United even Both Stock versus Clayton County, 325 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: which was announced earlier this session where the Court decided 326 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: that LGBTQ employees are protected by the Civil Rights Act. 327 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: These decisions change history full stop. And these nine people 328 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: have that kind of power, which you know brings us 329 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: back to doctor Ladrios. 330 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 7: When I would think about this decision, say back in January, 331 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 7: it felt very far. It felt removed enough that that 332 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 7: maybe it didn't fully sink in that my life and 333 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 7: my future was in the hands of you know, nine people. 334 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: When I talked to Dahlia a few weeks ago, at 335 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: that time, this thought was paralyzing. It was just better 336 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: to throw herself into her work. 337 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 7: Now I see you that I've been on more and 338 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 7: more recently, has been sort of the one responsible for 339 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 7: taking care most of our COVID patients. 340 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 6: Doctor Latios is in fact a frontline worker. She's in 341 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 6: a hospital. And it turns out that COVID nineteen actually 342 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 6: became an issue in this case before the Supreme Court. 343 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: How did that happen? 344 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: So doctor Latios works in the ICU often at night. 345 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 7: So the night can become very busy, very fast. You're 346 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 7: sort of always kept on your toes because patients can 347 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 7: deteriorate very quickly. 348 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: And Dalia is not the only one on the front lines. 349 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: About twenty seven thousand DOCTA recipients are working in healthcare 350 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: right now as nurses, home health aids, pharmacists, physician assistants, 351 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: and doctors like that. YAH make the road, which is 352 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 2: where Page works, also estimates they're about two hundred medical 353 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: students across the country who are DOCKA holders. 354 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 3: When arguments were first. 355 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: Heard last year, last November, like no one had heard 356 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: of COVID nineteen and so taking that into consideration was 357 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 2: kind of a last minute plot twist. Here's Page again. 358 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: At that time, there was not a global health pandemic, 359 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: and that issue was simply not directly before the court. 360 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: In March, plaintiffs filed a short brief underscoring the importance 361 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: of the thousands of DACA recipients working in healthcare right now. 362 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: One more thing worth noting across the board, we don't 363 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: have enough people in the United States doing the kind 364 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: of work that Dalia and these other healthcare workers are doing. 365 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 4: Anyway. 366 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: The Association of American Medical Colleges projects that there will 367 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: be a shortage of up to nearly one hundred and 368 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: twenty two thousand physicians in this country by twenty thirty two. 369 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: That's about a little more than a decade away. 370 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 6: At this point, can we begin to understand what the 371 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 6: policy implications are of the Supreme Court decision? 372 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 3: Or is it too soon? 373 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: We kind of can start to understand the policy implications, 374 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 2: but they're a bit more narrow and specific to this case. 375 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: It turns out. So when plaintiffs arguing in favor of 376 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: Doaka came in saying the Trump administration acted unlawfully, the 377 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 2: government basically told the courts, Okay, wait, you can't even 378 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: weigh in on an agency decision like this, and the 379 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: Supreme Court disagreed with that. They said, no judicial review 380 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: does apply, and executive programs like this can be challenged 381 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 2: in the courts. So that's the first part in which 382 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 2: nothing really kind of changed. The Supreme Court also told 383 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: the Trump administration that they hadn't played by the rules, So, 384 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: like we mentioned, that means the government didn't provide a 385 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 2: good reason for canceling DACA. But again Page says, the 386 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: logic behind the decision wasn't new or a surprise. 387 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: The administration, whatever administration it is, has to own up 388 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: to its actions and has to set out detailed rationales 389 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: for what it does, so you know, that's not a 390 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: new concept, that's not a new requirement. But obviously, if 391 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: we go back to especially to the first few years 392 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: of the Trump administration, you see very fly by night 393 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: decision making. 394 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 2: Not to sound like I'm going in circles here, but 395 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 2: DOCCA wasn't upheld because it was legal. It was because 396 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: the government didn't prove that it was illegal. And maybe 397 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: it sounds like it's the same difference, but it's actually 398 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: a key distinction. Sure, this means that in the future, 399 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: whatever administration is in the White House can extend DAKA 400 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: or make future immigration related programs, but it also means 401 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: that any administration could technically move to shut DACA down 402 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 2: yet again. So long as they show. 403 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: Their work, I think the coming days and weeks are 404 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: going to be really important to see are they willing 405 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: to try again to do a more reasoned analysis and 406 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: to own up to their reasons for wanting to cancel 407 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: the DACA program be reset on whether that would be 408 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: legal or not. 409 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 6: This is a win for undocumented immigrants and the activists 410 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 6: and people who supported them throughout many, many years. But 411 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 6: at this point, what can we say about what the 412 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 6: future looks like for DACA holders and their supporters in 413 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 6: terms of moving forward. 414 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: So Paige, our legal expert, is advising a cautious approach 415 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 2: to DACA. Still, So if an individual person wants to 416 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 2: apply for the first time, or if they want to 417 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 2: apply for things like advanced parole, which allows DOCA recipients 418 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: to travel outside of the US, or if they just 419 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: have other questions about the program, consult a lawyer first 420 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: if possible. But looking at the bigger picture, page says 421 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 2: a program like DACA is a start, not a solution. 422 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: Like we've mentioned, DACA covers over seven hundred thousand people, 423 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: but that's a pretty small number compared to the estimated 424 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: eleven million undocumented immigrants in this country. 425 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: Even if the DACA program remains in place, our work 426 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: is not done here. Many many people have benefited, but 427 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: many people were also left out by virtue of their 428 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: ABI or by virtue of when they arrived in the 429 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: United States. 430 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: So Paige and other people who support DOCA are looking 431 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: for a legislative fix. They're looking for a law that 432 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: goes way beyond what DOCA covers right now. 433 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: We want it to address immigrants across the spectrum, not 434 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: only those who fall within the parameters of the twenty 435 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: twelve DACA program, and we absolutely are going to keep 436 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: pushing for that. 437 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: DOACA itself, while it's been a game changer in many ways, 438 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 2: it's also not at all a perfect program. DACA isn't 439 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: a path to citizenship. It isn't permanent. Like I mentioned, 440 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: recipients have to renew their status every two years. DOACA 441 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: was an executive order, not a law passed by Congress, 442 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: so it falls into jeopardy whenever someone who doesn't agree 443 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: with the program or the existing immigration policy is elected 444 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: into the White House. By the way, if you're keeping 445 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: track for twenty twenty, the candidates do diverge on the issue. 446 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 2: Joe Biden released a video statement after the decision in 447 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: support of the Supreme Court. 448 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 5: Was another landmark victory. The Supreme Court has made it 449 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 5: clear that DACA is the law of the land. 450 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: He also called for immigration reform. 451 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 5: Together, we can restore our values of the nation of 452 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 5: immigrants as a nation that values immigrants. 453 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, President Trump tweeted about his disappointment with the Scotish decision. 454 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: He called it quote politically charged, and promised to appoint 455 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: more conservative justices if elected. For a second term now. 456 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: At one point I asked doctor Larrios about her hopes 457 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: that the Supreme Court would rule in favor of DACA, 458 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 2: and like most of our conversations, this was before the 459 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: decision was released, and I asked her hypothetically at that point, 460 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 2: if the Supreme Court upheld DACA, how would she feel. 461 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 7: It offers us a small moment of respite, a small 462 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 7: maybe sigh of relief. 463 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 2: She had her answer ready to go immediately, like she's 464 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 2: been thinking about it for her whole life, or at 465 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: least for the last eight years of it. 466 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 7: We made it through another tremendous mountain, through another enormous challenge. 467 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 7: But I think it's not just about, you know, all 468 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 7: the legal paperwork, it's your life being tossed around. 469 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 2: I think what it comes down to is that Dahlia 470 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: doctor Ladrios, hopes for more from her country. 471 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 7: It really I think it calls for something permanent. It 472 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 7: calls for action that will allow us to have peace 473 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 7: of mind going forward, that won't continue to put us 474 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 7: in the state where we're constantly worried and living day 475 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 7: by day in uncertainty. No one should have to live 476 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 7: like this. 477 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: There is a lot to celebrate including avoiding the worst 478 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: possible scenari for so many people, but people are also 479 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: still pushing for more permanent solutions. DACA can still come 480 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: under threat, either under this administration or in the courts, 481 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 2: or sometime in the nebulous future. So watch the space 482 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: because this is just the beginning. 483 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 6: Thank you Alive for your reporting and for joining me 484 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 6: on the show today. I really appreciate it. 485 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 4: Thanks Mada. 486 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 6: This episode was produced by Alejandra Salasad with help from 487 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 6: Sabiaplisaka and Nil Masis. 488 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: It was edited by Luis Trees. 489 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 6: The Latino USA team includes Antonia Serejidro Chance, Jamoca, Gini Montalbo, 490 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 6: and Alisa Scarce, with help from Raoul Perees. 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