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Speaker 1: And I just got a briefing from a individual in

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Speaker 1: Some of you may have seen this. There are pictures

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Speaker 1: We are seeing Russian planes and discriminately bombing areas of

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Speaker 1: extremely different timeline. It's an unbelievably different timeline. Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: today said any Republican with a common sense should help

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Speaker 1: You were the ones that have refused to give them

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Speaker 1: them weapons. You want to know I tweeted this out

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Speaker 1: earlier because I think it's such an important point. Occupied Democrats,

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Speaker 1: Democrats in two sixteen said quote, no civilian needs in

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Speaker 1: acting like they're wanting to stand up for the people

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Speaker 1: Democrats and goes on his right retweet if you stand

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Speaker 1: You can watch this. It's up on my social media platforms.

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Speaker 1: Grab it. This is what happens when strong countries are weak.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens when strong countries do not stand up.

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Speaker 1: And we have been grabbing these conversations all throughout the

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Speaker 1: Gruber is here, Steve. Thank you for coming on. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. As always, I'm gonna get into this. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna let you hear the acts. Ukrainian President Porshenko he

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Speaker 1: That was said by his boss, Barack Obama. That's right,

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Speaker 1: And they said, don't touch that one. He can help us.

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Speaker 1: was never bright. I mean, you go back to him

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Speaker 1: plagiarizing as a student in Syracu's not the time that

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Speaker 1: the sixth Day War. Sure, sure, sure you are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at any rate. The point being is, now you've got

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Speaker 1: guy makes Jimmy Carter look like a superstar. James Buchanan

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Speaker 1: looked like a superstar. When you look at weak presidents

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Speaker 1: at maybe the most critical time. Jimmy Carter was weak,

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Speaker 1: look at other presidents like John Kennedy. John Kennedy view

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Speaker 1: John was pushed ahead. You know all this, of course,

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Speaker 1: one percent that's the other time you ever ran for.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable, but more scary than that. Kamala Harris has

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Speaker 1: which I think could be even worse, even worse. Steve Grabert,

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Speaker 1: I'm on America's Voice News twice a day from six

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Look, let me at least introduce you. No right,

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Speaker 1: you got this. Everybody knows. I'm Kurch like you're seeing

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Speaker 1: Army colonel and the author of the forthcoming book will

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Speaker 1: be back. I go back to. I go back to

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Speaker 1: what I was saying to you a moment ago. You're

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Speaker 1: seeing what and witnessing what's happened in Ukraine. Give me

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Speaker 1: your overall viewpoint. We have a president right now that

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Speaker 1: is clearly not doing anything to stop them. We have

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Speaker 1: a White House, it's actually undermined saying that they'll keep

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Speaker 1: working with as long as he's a legitimate leader in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: That just came out. Really, that's what they said. Look,

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Speaker 1: they said, as long as I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: on the world stage, because no longer national TV, it's international.

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Speaker 1: Putin watched this. We will continue to work with Zelinsky

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Speaker 1: as long as he's a legitimate You just killed him.

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Speaker 1: We just killed him. We will over exaggeratedy, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we will continue to work with Charles Steagall until the

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Speaker 1: Vichy government, you know, really takes charge. I'm staging. Are

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Speaker 1: young that would be in Paris, but continue I am staggered.

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Speaker 1: Is if they can convene a council of renowned morons

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Speaker 1: to come up with worst possible courses of action. And

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Speaker 1: then said, yeah, these are bad, but you can do worse.

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Speaker 1: Go back, bring me worse ideas. I mean, this is insane.

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Speaker 1: Minor incursion. Yeah, m but we're okay as long as

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Speaker 1: it's a minor incursion. Now, if it's a major incursion,

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Speaker 1: you're screwed. But if it's a minor incursion, incursion, what

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Speaker 1: do you say about people who are so ignorant of history,

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Speaker 1: what do you say about people who are so strategically inept.

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Speaker 1: I I'm staggered. You know, you served your country, you

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Speaker 1: do know, and we were you know, joking earlier, but

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Speaker 1: you know military, you're you're formal colonel. You understand. If

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Speaker 1: you're in the military right now and you're witnessing this,

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Speaker 1: I think everybody genuinely understands. And we have a fatigue

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Speaker 1: in this country for war. Yes we do, no, we do.

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Speaker 1: But you also have a superpower. And somebody criticized me

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Speaker 1: about when I say to power, I'm talking about militarily

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Speaker 1: threat to the world, and and Vladimir Putin threatened US,

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Speaker 1: NATO and the entire world and anyone that steps in

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Speaker 1: and possibly beyond with nuclear a nuclear tak They've got

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Speaker 1: eight thousand nuclear wave and they have the most nuclear

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Speaker 1: destruction of the world in my opinion. Here they are

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Speaker 1: a superpower. No, they are, and we should tree him

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Speaker 1: that way. They are not a conventional superpower anymore. Um,

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Speaker 1: the forces that they've used have been performing not quite

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Speaker 1: as well as I expected, frankly, but that they still

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Speaker 1: seem to be. Here's the thing about Russia, and again

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Speaker 1: you may disagree with me, what this seems to be

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Speaker 1: is almost like Gulf War two point zero in a

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Speaker 1: weird way. Soften them up, have the people leave, and

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Speaker 1: let's make sure that the Russian people don't see a

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Speaker 1: Russian soldier bodybags coming back. It's almost like they're trying

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Speaker 1: to go in in a way that is like, we'll

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Speaker 1: down your weapons. And I'm gonna paraphrase this, but this

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Speaker 1: I think it was twelve thirteen thirteen. Guys, on this

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Speaker 1: which is you didn't need it, why would this happen?

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Speaker 1: And this is just shows you Russia right now in

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Speaker 1: I've worked with Ukrainians. I deployed with a part of

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Speaker 1: I went to Ukraine four times to train Ukrainians and

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Speaker 1: they are tough dudes, and they are they are not

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Speaker 1: afraid of hardship. Okay. They have that kind of Eastern

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Speaker 1: European attitude where well, we're all gonna die, but I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna hurt you first. Um. They they look, their formations

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Speaker 1: what the Russian army are supposed to do. They'll go

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Speaker 1: Gonna bring in Bobby Charles. He's a good friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: We were having dinner last night. He is a former

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Speaker 1: under secretary under Colin Powell, a man that's served in

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Speaker 1: gonna your your last name. If we could just change it,

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Speaker 1: make my life a lot sliictor it's just hard. I

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Speaker 1: don't it just Slicktor, It's it looks weird. Pronounce a

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Speaker 1: uh it. Kurts here as well. I want to go, Bobby,

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Speaker 1: do you real quick? Kiv Mayers just says you to

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Speaker 1: dire a warning and an update that the Russian troops

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Speaker 1: that the bodies are also adding up. People are dying there.

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Speaker 1: There are shots being fired in the street. There is

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Speaker 1: close combat. From what we understand here, this is not

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Speaker 1: the way that traditionally, and I think both of you

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Speaker 1: Russia would normally fight this. Which is that X factor

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Speaker 1: now is it's almost like Vladimir Putin's operating on a

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Speaker 1: were playing the long game. Here are wanting to take

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Speaker 1: over Ukraine in a semi orderly fashion. This is a

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Speaker 1: full out like war and he's okay with killing and

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Speaker 1: masacring a lot of people. Yeah, this is a very

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Speaker 1: disturbing moment, both in modern history and for Europe. This

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Speaker 1: terms of this particular engagement. As you just pointed out,

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Speaker 1: into the orbit of a former superpower Russia and kind

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Speaker 1: of along the lines of the messianistic kind of historically

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Speaker 1: tied warm water Port and all that, you wouldn't destroy

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Speaker 1: one of the oldest cities on the planet. It's a

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Speaker 1: strange term. It doesn't make sense to destroy a city.

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Speaker 1: And that's the part we were all talking about during

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Speaker 1: another respelling Kiev in a different way but people don't

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Speaker 1: know how historic and significant Kiev is. If you go

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Speaker 1: or just google for example, Musurski's a very very famous composer,

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Speaker 1: Kiev was in some ways the gates to Christianity in

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Speaker 1: so the number I'm sure as much higher. Now one

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, he's I'm animated and I'm mad, Bobby,

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Speaker 1: And you've seen this for a long time, so you

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Speaker 1: worked with the Reagan Bush. I can't imagine that statement

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Speaker 1: coming out from any other president's White House saying we'll

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Speaker 1: work with our ally until you guys kill him. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine George Schultz uttering that kind of uh nonsense.

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Speaker 1: It's we haven't never say that. We haven't say that.

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Speaker 1: We have an a historical, essentially un serious administration. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Reagan guys. That was full of guys who who

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Speaker 1: fought in the Pacific and World War Two, like George Renolts, Uh, guys,

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Speaker 1: Bill Casey Oss, I mean, Jim Baker was a marine.

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Speaker 1: I believe, I mean, these were serious men with a

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Speaker 1: serious background. You got Colin Pale Yes, and I've got

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Speaker 1: some issues with his politics. I don't have any issues

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Speaker 1: with him as a military leader. Um. And I I

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00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: was there in Desert Storm thirty one years ago. I remember,

653
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Speaker 1: we're gonna cut him off and we're gonna kill him. Yep,

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Speaker 1: Okay this And what do we have now, Jensaki, Tony Blinkin,

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Speaker 1: General Austin who's never won a war. Well, just like

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Speaker 1: at Tony Blinkin, where did he come from? No One? Yeah,

657
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Speaker 1: so I went to law school with Tony. I know

658
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Speaker 1: Tony very well. And the sad part about it is

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Speaker 1: that it's almost what you're describing as sort of the

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Speaker 1: triumph of politics and amateurism, instead of having the people

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Speaker 1: we always thought if you if you ran a company,

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Speaker 1: or if you ran a bureau or a department, or

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Speaker 1: you ran a division, you want the best possible field

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Speaker 1: commanders you can have. You want if somebody knows more

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Speaker 1: than me. I am very happy that they know more

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Speaker 1: than me, because I'm gonna put them in charge of

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Speaker 1: whatever it is they know a lot about and I don't.

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Speaker 1: This administration is the exact reverse from the top, from

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Speaker 1: the very top to the bottom. You have a combination

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Speaker 1: of incompetence, arrogance, and ignorance, and the result is you

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Speaker 1: get things like Afghanistan and the disaster there. What I'm

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Speaker 1: what I'm really I'm concerned that what this administration keeps doing,

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Speaker 1: and it's happening with Ukraine and Russia and China, is

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Speaker 1: that there's it's like they're on time delay and they

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Speaker 1: play the game after three moves have been made by

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Speaker 1: the opponent, and then they decide they're going to do something.

677
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: This is It's an incompetent way to manage any conflict.

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Speaker 1: And the concern right now is what you're seeing is

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Speaker 1: the optempo. In my view, if just just people can

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Speaker 1: just look online right now, and there's plenty in the

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Speaker 1: public space, the opt tempo of what's happening is happening

682
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Speaker 1: at the rate of speed of what happened in nineteen

683
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Speaker 1: thirty eight when Hitler goes into the Sudete land. Everybody

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Speaker 1: backs off, They do minimal things, They claim this is

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Speaker 1: just it, and the next thing you know, another country falls,

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Speaker 1: and then another country falls. What happens. I am fully

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Speaker 1: convinced at this point that this and I say it

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Speaker 1: because I believe it. I think that Vladimir Putin is

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Speaker 1: operating off a different timeline, a different watch, a different

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Speaker 1: set of metrics than the rest of the world is

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Speaker 1: right now, and this is abnormal for him. Yet he

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Speaker 1: is always play the waiting game. Well, he has always

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Speaker 1: played the the the hit pause game. Well, and you know,

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Speaker 1: even Putin just came out thirty minutes ago and said

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Speaker 1: he's quote prepared to negotiate with Ukraine and officials as

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Speaker 1: he's murdering innocent people and bomb the hell out of

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Speaker 1: out of the capital of historic city. This is not

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Speaker 1: rational behavior. It reminds me so much a history of

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Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Adolf Hitler. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's irrational because he seems to be

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Speaker 1: getting everything he wants. He's inside our decision loop, yes

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Speaker 1: he is. I mean, I mean way inside. I don't

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Speaker 1: even think we have a decision cycle. You look at this,

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Speaker 1: and I you know, I'm just a simple war college right,

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Speaker 1: I'm just at some colonel and I'm looking at this

706
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Speaker 1: and I'm staggered. Yea, at the at the absolute in confidence. Now,

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Speaker 1: I when I trained Ukraine's four times, Uh, they are

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Speaker 1: very tough little guys. Uh, they do not think like

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Speaker 1: we do. I think that Putin might be biting off

710
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Speaker 1: more than he can chew if he devastates Ukraine Kiev

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Speaker 1: and tries to take it. You remember Grosney, You remember

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Speaker 1: Stalin grab I do. These are guys who I don't,

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Speaker 1: especially if you get the rural ones are not going

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Speaker 1: to back off an inch. You know. I tive to

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Speaker 1: Validita even more on that. You know, people had said

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Speaker 1: to me a few weeks ago, do you think an

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Speaker 1: insurgency would rise up? And I said, as long as

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Speaker 1: they're not, you know, destroying the whole country. No, but

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Speaker 1: very minimal. But this is not because this is not Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: But this is very different. What you're describing I think

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Speaker 1: is absolutely right. I think you have a situation here

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Speaker 1: where you could see the blood feud created here that

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Speaker 1: lasts one hundred years and it's going to be bad.

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Speaker 1: John Kerry, member of our government, says you should be

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Speaker 1: concerned about climate change and that is the number one

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Speaker 1: issue right now. That Vladimir Putneys understand that what he's

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Speaker 1: doing right now is a problem with climate will allow

728
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Speaker 1: me to say if I can ben that. Bobby Charles,

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Speaker 1: the Voice you're hearing right now, Kurt selector schlicktor whatever,

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Speaker 1: however it works, allow me to kill me also the

731
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Speaker 1: other voice to say hello to people, and your your

732
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Speaker 1: microphone's falling over again. For absolute sure, Putin is changing

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Speaker 1: the climate in Kiev and UH and the climate all

734
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Speaker 1: over Ukraine. So point being, I'm being mildly facetious here.

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Speaker 1: He's destroying the better part of a very ancient country's culture.

736
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Speaker 1: So let's yeah, let's worry a little more about the

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Speaker 1: climate that's being changed by a major artillery and tanks,

738
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Speaker 1: and not worry about whether or not you know, the

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Speaker 1: sun is going to shine tomorrow. Problem is we have

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Speaker 1: an essentially unserious government, right, yeah, you're right, unfortune. I

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Speaker 1: want to play you this audio from Kerry that has

742
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Speaker 1: now gone viral. All right, listen to this. I want

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00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: to get your reaction. I'm very concerned about I'm concerned

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Speaker 1: about Ukraine because of the people who Ukraine and because

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Speaker 1: of the principles that are at risk UH in terms

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Speaker 1: of international law and trying to change boundaries of international

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Speaker 1: law by force. I thought we lived in a world

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Speaker 1: that had said no to that of activity. And I

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00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: hope diplomacy will win, but a massive emissions consequences to

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Speaker 1: the war. But equally importantly, you're going to lose people's focus.

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Speaker 1: You're going to lose certainly big country attention because they

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00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: will be diverted, and I think it could have a

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00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: damaging impact. So, you know, I think hopefully President Putin

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00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: would realize that in the northern part of his country,

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00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: they used to live on sixty six percent of a

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Speaker 1: nation that was over frozen land. Now it's thawing, and

757
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: his infrastructure is at risk, and the people of Russia

758
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Speaker 1: at risk. And so I hope President Putin will help

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Speaker 1: us to stay on track with respect of what we

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Speaker 1: need to do for the climate. For the climate. This

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Speaker 1: is not a spoof, is not an empising. This is

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Speaker 1: a leader in the United States of America speaking on

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Speaker 1: behalf of the administration, doing an interview that Bladimir Putin's

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Speaker 1: We're wanting to tell Putin, hey, you need to think

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Speaker 1: about the climate, because you got a bunch of water

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Speaker 1: could or I used to get turn to water well,

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Speaker 1: And I can't eve believe I'm having this conversation, but

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Speaker 1: I will say this one will move on if this

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Speaker 1: is true, okay, And he has to worry about the

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Speaker 1: ice melting and his people being flooded out, all the

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Speaker 1: more reason to take Ukraine, because you need more land

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Speaker 1: to put those people. I listened to this unserious, frankly

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Speaker 1: childish nonsense, this bizarre pagan climate religion is running the

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Speaker 1: world from mister Hines, and I I don't know what

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00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: to say. There are people dying right now, and this

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00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: clown is catering to the bizarre pagan notions of Marine

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Speaker 1: County and the faculty lounge. This is an age. This

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00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: is the part that scares me. This isn't an Alex

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Speaker 1: Jones of the of the of the Left. This is

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Speaker 1: a This is a former nominee yes for the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: a guy that almost won the White House, and a

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Speaker 1: guy that has a very serious job in this administration.

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Speaker 1: So the truth is that you know, life is not

784
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Speaker 1: a Saturday Night Live skit um. It has life and

785
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: death consequences, And whether or not you know the Russian

786
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: tanks run on ethanol is really not important. The point

787
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: that we need to understand is that this is an

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00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: historic inflection point. Many times in history you look back

789
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Speaker 1: and you say, gosh, I really didn't realize that was

790
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: the wave on which the tide turned. I just thought

791
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: it was another wave. And at this moment, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mike greatest concern it. It's very disturbing to see disunity

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00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: among those allies that have always represented Western values, to

794
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: see a sense of almost like passivity toward something that

795
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: is clearly getting out of control. This is like the

796
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: Magnus effect when a missile spins out of control. This

797
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: is this is spinning toward out of control, and and

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00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: you have to have rational leadership. Step up. Where's the

799
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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, Where's the Where's the Theodore Roosevelt? Where's the

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Speaker 1: George Robert Walker Bush or the Colin Powell? In our wives,

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Speaker 1: I wish we had a helmet, Schultz, Well, where you

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Speaker 1: have Hillary? Hillary has just gotten off. Which side is

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Speaker 1: she on MSNBC. I want you to listen to what

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Speaker 1: she just said. We are not all right joining us now,

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Speaker 1: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, It's very good to

806
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Speaker 1: have you joining us this morning during this difficult time.

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Speaker 1: I first want to ask you what you think of

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Speaker 1: President Biden's response so far in terms of getting collaboration

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Speaker 1: from our allies as well as messaging the strategy to

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Speaker 1: the nation. Well, Mica, I think that it has been

811
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: well executed. There is no doubt that we were not

812
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: in a position just a few years ago to rally anybody,

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Speaker 1: and now with the President Biden rallying, NATO, rallying not

814
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Speaker 1: only Western Europe and Eastern Europe, but far beyond those borders,

815
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: to understand the very real threat that Vladimir Putin poses,

816
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: then to begin imposing sanctions that will ratch it up.

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00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: And I think that is exactly what he should be doing.

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Speaker 1: There is Hillary Clinton now, and you can even hear

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Speaker 1: from Murca there on MSBUC. I'm not even sure she

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Speaker 1: could believe the response from Hillary Clinton praising Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: for his response Ukraine saying it and I exact quote.

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Speaker 1: You may have missed this. It has been well executed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all I can tell you that's just not that's delusional.

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Speaker 1: If I, if I could just close out my little

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Speaker 1: segment of this, just I saying that sometimes history is

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Speaker 1: the greatest guide to what the future is. It doesn't

827
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Speaker 1: ever repeat itself perfectly. But I'm reminded of Burke and

828
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Speaker 1: his famous statement that all it takes for evil to

829
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Speaker 1: prevail is for good people to do nothing. And this

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Speaker 1: administration is the living embodiment in Afghanistan all over the

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Speaker 1: world in response to China and now with Ukraine of

832
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: essentially not only bungling things, but making fundamentally wrong decisions

833
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: and decisions that have dramatic consequential life and death impact.

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Speaker 1: And the problem is, if you had had genuine leadership,

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Speaker 1: Putin would never have done this. He would have backed away.

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Speaker 1: He would have understood that our lines that we draw

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Speaker 1: on the sand are real and we're not doing that

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Speaker 1: where we see It's it's just almost like, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's an old phase of strength upon strength built strength. Well,

840
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: this is like weakness upon weakness creates weakness, and it's

841
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: inviting all of our bad guys. Look, the next thing

842
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: that's going to happen, and I'm sorry to say it

843
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: is as Putin distracts the world and goes forward and

844
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: maybe goes beyond Ukraine, looks at other parts of his

845
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: periphery and becomes much more aggressive in Georgia and other

846
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: parts of his periphery. You know, China is also going

847
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: to look straight on at this and say, this is

848
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: our moment. Let's get the soakland island, Let's get the

849
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Speaker 1: sprat les, let's get Taiwan. So I'll just leave you

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Speaker 1: with this, Ben. It's a consequential moment. Leaders are both

851
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: born and and non leaders are destroyed in consequential moments.

852
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: And we need to have leadership at the federal level,

853
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: at the state level. Every candidate out there, we're at

854
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: SEAPAC today. You see a lot of these young candidates

855
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: who are determined basically to say pedal to the metal

856
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: and we got we got to get back to being America.

857
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: I pray and hope that a lot of them are

858
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: are winning. I want to break one more piece of

859
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Speaker 1: news before you walk away, and I need you for

860
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: ninety more seconds. Uh. Former presid of Ukraine Porushenko was

861
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: seen on the suite streets moments ago um grabbing a

862
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: Kalashnikov rifle alongside civilians because the fighting has gotten so bad.

863
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: They got a microphone in front of him. There are

864
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: bombs going off and you can hear gunfire. This is

865
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: what he said moments ago, mister president, can you tell

866
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: me what you in the group you're with right now

867
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: there are armed with and what your intention is if

868
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Speaker 1: the Russians were just assistance here here. This is the

869
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: short of Kalashpenkov we have just the let me see

870
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: before and low on the three hundred members of the

871
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: Battalion of the Territory Defense. And we have two machine

872
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: gun and we have models. That's it. We don't have

873
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: any have a tillers, we don't have a tanks, we

874
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: don't have an armed personal carrier. Because we launched this

875
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: process just a couple of days ago. But and we

876
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: create that for the two days. This is the long

877
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Speaker 1: life of the people who want to enlist it in

878
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: the battalion. But we don't have enough palms for that.

879
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: And this is the only limit why the signal defense.

880
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: The normal ordinary people sometimes snap being in the army,

881
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: staying in line now to join us. Well, you can

882
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: hear he's breaking down his voice. You can hear that

883
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: there he's saying, there are people lining up. We don't

884
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: have enough arms. We have four machine guns we have

885
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: He holds up his rifle, his crutch and cop rifle.

886
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: This is not enough to fight Russia. They're going to

887
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: be massacred. And this is the former president of Ukraine Prschenko,

888
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 1: out in the streets with these other men and women

889
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: because they are under attack by Russia. So let me

890
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: just leave you with one last thought in it, and

891
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: it's this we often thought and having and all of

892
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: us here were part of what we thought was the

893
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: end of the Soviet Union. We watched Reagan and Bush

894
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: and others disaggregate what had been the Soviet Communist state.

895
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: But you have to remember that Putin is a carryover

896
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: from that state. He is a former KGB agent who

897
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: was clearly brought into that entire philosophy. This is Hungary

898
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six. This is Czechoslovakia in nineteen sixty seven.

899
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: This is the way that the Ukrainians are responding to.

900
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: This is Poland nineteen eighty eighty two. This is the

901
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: way that the Ukrainians are responding to this rightly is

902
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: that this is like a Soviet style overrun of a

903
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: contiguous country that was sovereign. And I will just say

904
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: that it's It has tremendous dangerous downstream effects on what

905
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: will happen throughout the rest of Europe. Europe is very unfortunately.

906
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: People have warned about this for a long time. But

907
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: they are heavily dependent on the oil. They get forty

908
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: thirty percent of their oil from Russia. They get forty

909
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: percent of their natural gas from Russia. It's a dangerous moment,

910
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 1: and frankly, what you need is a clear clarion voice

911
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: from the United States leading a global alliance to say

912
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: this must stop or you'll be isolated from the financial system, etc.

913
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: We also need to obviously buck up all of our

914
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: NATO allies because they're gonna be worried. Every one of

915
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: them is worried Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, all the Western

916
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: even the Western Allies, are worried Russia. Russia has only

917
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: two things, oil and a military and that's a dangerous combination. Kurt,

918
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: you were a retired army empathy colonel. You were in

919
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: charge of troops seven thousand two in the context of

920
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: nothing sounds like it's a lot of people. I want

921
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: to make that clear, but you're a military guy. Seven

922
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: thousand troops going to Germany is nothing, It really is.

923
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Speaker 1: I was a deputy brigade commander, acting brigade commander of

924
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Speaker 1: infantry brigade combat Team. We had about five thousand, seven

925
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: thousand sounds like a brigade. Maybe if army, it sounds

926
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Speaker 1: like a brigade plus some supporters. But here here's the thing.

927
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: Then you don't just send guys, right, you send you

928
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: send formations. Formations have all the capabilities. They have the

929
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: broad spectrum battlefield operating systems, because we it's just not

930
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: guys with rifles or even guys in tanks. You have

931
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: integrated artillery, you have integrated electronic warfare, cyber, you have

932
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: all sorts of supporting elements. You know, our tooth detail ratio,

933
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: that is the guys supporting the guys actually fighting is

934
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: pretty high. You have several people for everyone who's actually

935
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: carrying a rifle. So when they say seven thousand people,

936
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean when I was in the Los Angeles riots

937
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two, we had about twenty thousand soldiers

938
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: on the street in the riots the Los Angeles lets,

939
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: twenty thousand on the street and we killed one guy.

940
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean, And this is are we We're supposed to

941
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: enforce Article five of a NATO, which says, you know,

942
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: you attack a member state, and Ukraine is borders member states,

943
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: as Belarus and Russia does too. It's just not serious.

944
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean, when I was in Germany at the end

945
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: of the Cold War, we had two armored cores. We

946
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: had five hundred thousand service members over there. It was

947
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: a mighty force. We don't have anything like that. Now.

948
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: I want to go back to history, because I think

949
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: we should rap with history, and I'm going to ask you.

950
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: I want to make it clearer. There's a lot of

951
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: parallels that will not line up. But but the mindset

952
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: that when Adolf Hitler was in charge in Germany World

953
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: War two, there were a lot of people early on

954
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, well, if he just takes acts

955
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: and stops, we can live with that. Yes, we are

956
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: witnessing the same exact mentality this time at the beginning

957
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: stages of whatever this turns out to be, which is

958
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: all right, Well, if Putin just takes Ukraine and that's

959
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: it and doesn't mess with any other country and doesn't

960
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: go and mess with a NATO nation, Oh we've accepted it,

961
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: have we not? Like it's clear Biden's accepted, even saying

962
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: that the president of the Ukraine, the White House positions

963
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: as long as he's quote the legitimate leader of Ukraine.

964
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: Those are their words. We will continue to work with him.

965
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: You've killed him off, he's done, he's done. Uh. These

966
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: guys are sending messages that hey, we're just stop and

967
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: if you have to overthrow the government install a public government.

968
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: That's fine. We can live with that. In fact, they

969
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: can live with it, and they're going to live with it.

970
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: They've already decided. They another word, Ukraine is a sacrificial

971
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: Lambkin is gone and you just say, hey, putin stopped

972
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: there and will be cool? Yeah, will he stop there?

973
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: Remember it is markedly different across into a NATO state?

974
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Speaker 1: Is it? It is? Hold on in theory is supposed

975
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: to be. Uh is I mean? I mean, how many

976
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: countries do you really think would go in and and

977
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: defend in That's a great question. A NATO state right now,

978
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: that's a great question. Estonia, Latia, Lithuania are are the

979
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: key ones. I don't think he's gonna vy Romania. That's

980
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: ethnically different, Hungary's ethnically different. Poland Poles are tough, and

981
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he wants to bite that off. But um,

982
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Speaker 1: the Baltic States any know where the people there understand

983
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: Russia or speak RUSSI shit, or we're part of Russia.

984
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: We're part of Russia. The USSR is what he clearly

985
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: wants his wants his hands on. He will be he

986
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 1: will be looking at those and uh, you know, would

987
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: I put it past him? And and would America go

988
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: to war against the nuclear power over Estonia, Lafia and Lithuania.

989
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: We'll see. We've pledged to yeah, but that doesn't seem

990
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: to mean anything right now. Well, the British are putting

991
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: the armored forces into the Baltic States right now, so

992
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: we have some forces there. I guess it's a trip wire,

993
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: but we have to see what's gonna happen, all right.

994
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: I want to think all of our guests that have

995
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: spent time with us here at seepak, please make sure

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00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,200
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00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,239
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