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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't this woman go away?

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Speaker 1: She has scammed so many so called friends out of

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Speaker 1: so much money, reportedly nearly two hundred thousand dollars, and

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Speaker 1: let me assure you that is a conservative estimate. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the fake socialite Anna Delvy aka Anna

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Speaker 1: sorcn Remember her. She conned so many people out of

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, so much more than two hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: because she claimed she was starting some sort of an

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Speaker 1: art studio. Oh gosh, what should I call it? An

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Speaker 1: art studio club of sorts in New York. Well, long

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Speaker 1: story short. After conning friends out of vacations, food loans, hotels,

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Speaker 1: fancy outfits, designer clothes, she finally was convicted for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 1: But that's not over. This woman actually gets a slot

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Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars, and of course she has

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Speaker 1: whined and complained the entire time. She could have made

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Speaker 1: nearly three hundred thousand dollars. But oh hlno, I bet

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Speaker 1: the viewers and the staff got tired of this one.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. That's right. In the last days, the

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Speaker 1: fake heiress. Anna Delvy actually comes out and complains that

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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars exploited her for attention. Wait, let

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Speaker 1: me understand this. That's bass atwards technical legal term. They

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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars could have picked anybody in the

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Speaker 1: country to be on their program, but they didn't. They

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Speaker 1: picked her and her ankle monitor, I might add, which

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Speaker 1: she be dazzled. That's not a crime. I'd be mad

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Speaker 1: if you didn't, Nana Delvey. But then to come off

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Speaker 1: the show after an early elimination and slam the show,

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Speaker 1: that's right, She speaks out after being eliminated from Dancing

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Speaker 1: with the Stars in week two. Did she ever think

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Speaker 1: she's a bad dancer? Dancing with her is like pushing

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Speaker 1: a grocery card around with bad will? Did that ever

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Speaker 1: dawn on her? Well, the formerly incarcerated socialite, and that's

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Speaker 1: certainly stretching it was criticized by Dancing with the Stars

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Speaker 1: hot head, But he's a heck of a dancer, I

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Speaker 1: can tell you that much, Max Schmarkowski. And she says

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Speaker 1: she quote doesn't feel she was given a fair chance.

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Speaker 1: She said, quote, I feel the show so obviously used

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Speaker 1: me to drive up the ratings. They never had plans

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Speaker 1: to give me any chance to grow and only cared

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Speaker 1: about exploiting me for attention. Well, if that is not

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Speaker 1: the pot calling the kettle black, whoa Okay, you know what,

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Speaker 1: how did she even get on dancing with the Stars

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Speaker 1: because she's well, some people think she's pretty. I don't,

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Speaker 1: but some people do. A so called pretty socialite that

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Speaker 1: would hold up courte believe it or not, because she

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Speaker 1: didn't like her outfit. That's right, she wouldn't put one

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Speaker 1: toe in the courtroom without the correct designer outfit. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how the judge put up with that. She

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Speaker 1: goes on and says, Dancing with the Stars is quote

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Speaker 1: predatory to try to make me feel inadequate and stupid,

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Speaker 1: all while I did get progressively better, Yet they chose

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Speaker 1: to disregard that. Hello, woman, all of us felt inadequate

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Speaker 1: and stupid. You're dancing with a pro that is a

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Speaker 1: fantastic dancer, and you're just trying to hobble along with

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Speaker 1: them and not look like a complete idiot. Everybody feels

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Speaker 1: that way. No one else other than them are trained dancers.

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Speaker 1: But dancing with the Stars is not really the point

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Speaker 1: right now. The point is that this fraud. This con person,

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Speaker 1: Anna Delvy, the formerly incarcerated so called socialite, is now

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Speaker 1: whining that somebody paid her to put on beautiful outfits,

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Speaker 1: get her hair and makeup done, and dance on TV. Really,

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Speaker 1: what's not to love? Let's take a little flashback.

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Speaker 2: With an extravagant lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money,

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Speaker 2: Delvy was an enigma that was made for the age

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Speaker 2: of Instagram, always at the Rape Place with the rape people,

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Speaker 2: living her best life, but with no apparent cause for

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Speaker 2: her fame. Her circle of acquaintances was fed various stories

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Speaker 2: as to how she accumulated her vast wealth.

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Speaker 1: Her father was.

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Speaker 2: Asian billionaire, a Russian diplomat, an oil takoon, a Russian

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Speaker 2: antiques collector, or a solar energy capitalist. While many parts

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Speaker 2: of Delvy's story were fluid, some things were consistent. Delvy

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Speaker 2: made no effort to hide her internship at the Paris

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Speaker 2: magazine Purple, and made it very clear that her dream

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Speaker 2: was to open a soho house for art.

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Speaker 1: And quote upset fake German heiress and a Serocan guilty

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Speaker 1: of grand larceny. After a life of fake ripping people

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Speaker 1: off to nearly a quarter of a million dollars that

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Speaker 1: we know of. Who would believe a Russian heiress and

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Speaker 1: more upset about her designer clothing wardrobe than she was

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Speaker 1: about being found guilty. Now that's unusual. This girl and

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Speaker 1: a Serrokan also known as Anna Delvi, somehow manages to

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Speaker 1: Joining me in all star lineup Jeff Cortize, former FBI

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Speaker 1: special agent, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags,

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Speaker 1: doctor William in July psychologist, and John Limley crimeonline dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter John Limley help me out. This girl

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Speaker 1: shows up. Her skin is so pale, she looks like

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Speaker 1: a ghost. And she's got this long brown hair parted

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Speaker 1: usually slightly on the side, big glasses, and the hair

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Speaker 1: hangs down like curtains over her face. You can barely

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Speaker 1: see the eyes, you know, the hair is so close down.

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Speaker 1: I can't see her face. That makes me suspicious. But

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Speaker 1: who would buy into my dad is a Russian billionaire?

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Speaker 1: Give me your money? Oops, I forgot my credit card.

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Speaker 1: What happened? Let's just start at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Well, Nancy, apparently a lot of people were just hungry

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Speaker 3: to buy into this story. If New York City is

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Speaker 3: a city of dreams, which we hear it called all

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Speaker 3: the time, Anna had enough for the entire island. She

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Speaker 3: had longed to be a member of the upper echelon

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Speaker 1: I understand something, John Lindlay, Crime Online investigator reporter, Did

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Speaker 1: you just call her giant fraud? Ripping people off tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars, including one woman that took the

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Speaker 1: stand a working class person who goes on an all

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Speaker 1: expense paid trip with her to Morocco and she gets

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Speaker 1: stiffed with a sixty five thousand dollars bill. Wait are

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Speaker 1: you calling that a dream? How it? Wait?

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Speaker 3: How dare you person's dream is another person's night?

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Speaker 1: You found yourself with cliches? Don't the American dream my

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Speaker 1: rear end, Jeff Cortiese, I call it something a lot

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Speaker 1: different than the American dream.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, I mean this was a at least on the

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Speaker 4: front end, a well executed fraud. Over the long term,

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Speaker 4: it didn't. It didn't have the legs to remain sustainable

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Speaker 1: I mean she managed to pull it off, Wendy Patrick,

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Speaker 1: for you know what, two years? I forgot how long

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Speaker 1: she managed to pull the wool over everybody's eyes, going

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Speaker 1: on tips to Morocco, staying at I think it's eleven Howard,

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Speaker 1: some ritzy. I don't even know how you find that

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Speaker 1: don't think it's even marked. Only rich people go there.

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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, what is what happened to John Linley, the

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Speaker 1: Voice of Reason? He just called this the American dream? What?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 6: I think John Linley, what he was talking about is

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Speaker 6: there are there are some misguided, vulnerable people that really

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Speaker 6: are subjected to social predators like Anna, and you know,

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Speaker 6: some people just are absolutely you guys mentioned the glamour,

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Speaker 6: the glitz. It's like they want to believe and this

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Speaker 6: fake it till you make it lifestyle. You know, nobody

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Speaker 6: even took the time to say, show me the money,

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Speaker 6: show me the fun, show me the corroboration behind your

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Speaker 6: wild stories, because caught up in the moment in an

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Speaker 6: Instagram savvy society, people want to be in the company

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Speaker 6: of people like Anna, and sadly, as a prosecutor, I

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Speaker 6: am just we are just absolutely just terrified of people

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Speaker 1: Being to doctor Williams. July, psychologist, author of a Dark

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Speaker 1: he did a quit her off, which I was shocked

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Speaker 1: about because this girl actually took the stand Graham larceny

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Speaker 1: for allegedly stealing sixty two thousand dollars from a friend

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Speaker 1: that she said, come along, I'll pay for everything on

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Speaker 1: a trip to Morocco. Okay, I think they actually punished

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Speaker 1: the friend because when you go on a luxurious trip

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Speaker 1: went to Spa treatments that were costing like three hundred

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Speaker 1: in mud, getting their nails whatever. Three hundred. But I

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Speaker 1: think they the Jerry punished that friend for going along

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Speaker 1: with the excess. Doctor July.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, at worse, Nancy, you're looking at in

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Speaker 7: cases like this, at worst is a psychopathological level of narcissism.

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Speaker 7: At best, what you're looking at as a person who

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Speaker 7: has so much greed and desire to please herself that

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Speaker 7: she doesn't care what the consequences are for other people

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Speaker 7: you were asking earlier, and I just want to address

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Speaker 7: what you were asking earlier about why and how can

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Speaker 7: this sort of thing happen. We're all baffled when we

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Speaker 7: see this, but it's age old. It's a tale as

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Speaker 7: old as time. Charlottan comes in and fools everyone. So

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Speaker 7: there's a part of people that are looking at this

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Speaker 7: who want to believe this because they want to hang

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Speaker 7: out with the person who has this kind of social

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Speaker 7: that she's an heiress so that they can be with her.

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Speaker 7: And people are blaming social media. It's not the fault

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Speaker 7: of social media. Social media is just a facilitator to

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Speaker 7: the neediness of other people who want to believe and

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Speaker 7: accept it.

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Speaker 1: Why are you piling on everybody on the path. I'll

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Speaker 1: accept Cortez, thank goodness. As keeps talking about the Instagram

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Speaker 1: and society, you know what, Instagram didn't have a dang

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Speaker 1: thing to do with this. It was all this thing

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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace possibly raking in two hundred

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Speaker 1: and ninety five thousand dollars. Yet she's whining, creating even

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Speaker 1: more of a firestorm. Delvey had a shocking reply when

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Speaker 1: co host Julienne asked what she would take away from

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Speaker 1: her experience, and she said nothing. Wow. The following day

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Speaker 1: on GMA, she said her favorite part of the experience

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Speaker 1: was quote getting eliminated. Well, I'm sure Dancing with the

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Speaker 1: Stars feels the very same way. But let's take a

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Speaker 1: walk down memory lane. Her parents hard working, middle class

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Speaker 1: people that she borrowed a ton of money borrowed. I

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Speaker 1: east ole a ton of money from them as well. Hey,

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Speaker 1: but she didn't just create a different identity her parents.

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Speaker 1: I think the dad drives a truck, and I know

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Speaker 1: what that's like. My dad, as you know, worked on

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Speaker 1: grandfather drove an ice truck and a school bus, anything

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Speaker 1: to put the food on the table. But she not

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Speaker 1: only assumed different an identity for herself, but she also

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Speaker 1: created a whole team of imaginary assistants, an assistant, an accountant,

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Speaker 1: a manager Limley. Is this true of her imaginary assistants.

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Speaker 3: Well, and some were not so imaginary. She even had

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Speaker 3: the concierge at a hotel essentially on her staff. At

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Speaker 3: her Beck and Call. She was able to convince people

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Speaker 3: of not only her wealth but all of her aspirations,

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Speaker 3: her dreams. She really wanted to build this members only

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Speaker 3: arts club on Park Avenue South and was even working

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Speaker 3: to get the financing for it, and was not too

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Speaker 3: far awaiting this.

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Speaker 1: John Lanley, she lied to a bank using phony records.

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Speaker 8: Anna went too far when she attempted to take out

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Speaker 8: a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance a

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Speaker 8: visual arts center she called the Anna Deelvi Foundation. In all,

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Speaker 8: Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 8: as hotels went after her unpaid debts and banks began

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Speaker 1: Wow that's Jesse Palmer over at Daily Mail TV. Wow

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Speaker 1: okay so friends and acquaintances Say Sorokan spent years playing

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Speaker 1: Flags on Amazon. Wendy, under the constitution, you can't force

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Speaker 6: Wendy, Yeah, you know, Nancy, what you're describing really is

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Speaker 9: This one may look like she is dressed for a

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Speaker 1: She was so concerned.

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Speaker 9: About how she looked in court she actually hired a stylist.

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Speaker 10: Is she in a courtroom or at a red carpet event.

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Speaker 10: Anna Sorkin is accused of posing as an heiress to

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Speaker 5: A hyper sexualize her. It makes her appear to be

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Speaker 10: Sorakin is so obsessed with her clothes she refused to

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Speaker 1: This is not a fashion show.

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Speaker 10: Sorrikin's lawyer, Todd Spodek says accounts of his client delaying

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Speaker 11: It's not that she didn't want to come out only

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Speaker 1: Don't cry too much for Anna Serrokan. She was living

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Speaker 1: She usually holed up in a four hundred dollars a

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's a numbers game in many respects.

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Speaker 4: There were multiple banks engaged in her activity. She appears,

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Speaker 1: Well, what I understand that she did, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: that really fascinates me, doctor Williams July, and not in

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Speaker 1: if you do look at her online, she's always drinking

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know when children have an imaginary friend,

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Speaker 7: Certainly people can have these types of imaginary lives, and

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Speaker 7: a lot of different things. But certainly, as much as

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Speaker 7: Clearly she has the ability the maybe a pathological type

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Speaker 12: Under the name Anna Delvi, she arrived in New York

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Speaker 1: Our friend Michael Sissak at time magazine online. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: It emerged she never paid the bill. During her stay

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Speaker 1: John Limley. How did she get money from one bank

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Speaker 3: It's a very interesting line to follow how she did this.

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Speaker 3: She talked to an exam to an executive with City

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Speaker 1: You know, her lines became more and more spectacular, Wendy Patchett,

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Speaker 1: California Prosecutor. In fact, she even managed to charter a

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Speaker 6: The level of sophistication Nancy, as John was explaining, and

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 6: This is something I talk about in my book.

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Speaker 1: We tend to attribute.

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Speaker 3: Well, when they went to Marrakesh, she went with a

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Speaker 3: if the friend could you know, just cover this one check,

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00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: and that would happen over and over and over again.

435
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 3: And this friend, in the end ended up covering the

436
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: sixty two thousand dollars cost of the flights, dining, shopping,

437
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Speaker 3: and the stay at a hotel where they had a

438
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Speaker 3: private villa with a courtyard, a pool, and a butler,

439
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 3: all the extravagance that you might say was fit for,

440
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: say a Kardashian.

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Speaker 1: A sixty two thousand dollars vacation that is more than

442
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Speaker 1: most people make an entire year. While in Marrakesh, Morocco

443
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: Soroken aka delv took part in all the activities the

444
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Speaker 1: hotel had to offer. For instance, they took private tennis lessons.

445
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: They ate breakfast pool side, a butler would deliver them

446
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: fresh watermelons and bottles of rose. They roamed the gardens, relaxed,

447
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: swam in the villa's private pool, took a tour of

448
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 1: the wine cellar, eate dinner with live Moroccan music, before

449
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: capping off their knights with cocktails at the Churchill Bar.

450
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a trip that most people only

451
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: dream of. And now here's miss thing. Having a nearly

452
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Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars, vacation built on crime.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Nancy, the best things in life are free,

454
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 6: and everybody knows that. So when you look at a

455
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 6: story like this, part of I think the offense that

456
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 6: everyone is taking is to use crime and criminal activity

457
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Speaker 6: to build a fake world where people pay the kind

458
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Speaker 6: of money that most of us would never do even

459
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Speaker 6: if we had it. And you talk about the value

460
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Speaker 6: of hard work the way we were all raised, it

461
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 6: sounds like those she surrounded herself were really taken with

462
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Speaker 6: the fact that someone they believed was as rich and

463
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Speaker 6: famous as she was would be interested in them.

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Speaker 1: That is a basic human need.

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Speaker 6: Ironically, that was being satisfied through crime and through, as

466
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Speaker 6: you pointed out earlier, having this imaginary friend that's larger

467
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Speaker 6: than life.

468
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace none for swindling other people

469
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Speaker 1: out of money while she posed as a German heiress.

470
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Speaker 1: The convicted scammer was actually portrayed by actress Julia Garner

471
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Speaker 1: and a Netflix mini series. I watched all nine episodes.

472
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Speaker 1: I believe it was I could do an interview about

473
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: her and a Sorkin Aka and Delvy the depths of deception.

474
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: This woman is capable of is amazing. Now she got

475
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: mad because Max said she wasn't. Well, let's see, how

476
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: can I put this poopy dancer. I gave up cursing

477
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: when I had the twins, so I can't say what

478
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: Max said. But so what So Max said something about her,

479
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: maybe he was right, or maybe Max could smell her

480
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: lies a mile away. Just like that jury, It was

481
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: all set to be the return of the fake Heiress.

482
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: She was the star of a hit Netflix show all

483
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Speaker 1: about her life defrauding high society Marx. But Anna Delviy

484
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: somehow managed to claw her way back into the spotlight

485
00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: with a very surprising turn of events somehow on Dancing

486
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: with the Stars. But every time the viewers watched her

487
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: before they voted, they had to remember what happened in

488
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Speaker 1: a court of law. You know, I don't know about you,

489
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: Jeff Cortize, FBI special Agent, but I loved it when

490
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: I would. Of course, the prosecutor gets in front of

491
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Speaker 1: an entire jury panel and reads the indictment before you

492
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Speaker 1: begin jury selection, so everybody knows who's charged with what

493
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: and what all the counts are. And I would love

494
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: it to say State versus Jeff Cortize aka Charlie Tuna

495
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: aka the Hammer AKA blah blah blah, and so forth

496
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: and so on. I would love reading out ten or

497
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: twelve aliases. And by the time you've done reading that,

498
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: the jury just looks at the person and goes, You're so,

499
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: you're guilty, You're guilty. Why are you? Why do you

500
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Speaker 1: have twelve aliases? And this girl, I'm telling you, not

501
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: only had aliases, but she had fake assistance. She lied

502
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: about her mom and dad who they really are. The

503
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: reality is that her father was a truck driver and

504
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: he went on to work at or start a heating

505
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: and air conditioned business. The friends in school called her

506
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: Barbie and her favorite movie was Mean Girls. And I

507
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: don't think that's any of that is good. Okay, that

508
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: means nothing good. Jeff Cartize, No, I agree one hundred percent.

509
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: You hit it on the head.

510
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: You know, the minute individuals start layering themselves with aliases

511
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: and aka's, you know they're putting up walls and barriers

512
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: that any jury is going to be able to see through.

513
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 5: You know, she.

514
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: Really executed a well thought out plan against the banks,

515
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: using multiple techniques and methods to siphon money from them.

516
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: You know, from from top to bottom. She exploited what

517
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 4: people want to see and exploited the type of lifestyle

518
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 4: that people want to have to the extent that, you know,

519
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: if I was going to run undercover, I would I

520
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: would have done many of the techniques that she did

521
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: in order to manipulate my audience.

522
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Speaker 1: Well, another aspect to this, John Lemley, is I remember

523
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: one day when John David came running home and went,

524
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: so and so's mom is so cool. She works for

525
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: Chick fil A and she gets free T shirts and

526
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: she gets this, and she gets that. I think the

527
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: lady who's very lovely was in marketing or PR and

528
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: would bring home, you know, like a T shirt or

529
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: a mood cow or what whatever they had. And I

530
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Speaker 1: thought briefly of creating a different persona to try to

531
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Speaker 1: impress John Davis's friends, who were then four years old. Okay,

532
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: but I just decided no, I'm just going to stick

533
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: with the truth, you know, and let the chips fall

534
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: where they may.

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00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: But John Lumley, I mean.

536
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: That would hurt me if I found out the twins

537
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: were lying about their mom and dad, that what we

538
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: are isn't good enough to fit in to their self image.

539
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: They're projecting that would really hurt my feelers.

540
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: And that's exactly the way her parents felt about the

541
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: whole thing. They actually did help fund her through college

542
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: and as she was getting out on her own, but

543
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: there was never any sort of trust fund. She moved

544
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: to Germany in two thousand and seven, and after she

545
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: dropped out of college, she interned in public relations before

546
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: then moving to Paris and became an intern at Purple Magazine.

547
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: Once she arrived in New York City, she just somehow

548
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: managed to be in all the sort of right places.

549
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Speaker 3: And she was this German heiress to her with a

550
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: father that you would think with me, Wait.

551
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: A minute, I thought she was supposed to be a

552
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Speaker 1: Russian heiress.

553
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: Well, no, she was from Russia, but she told people

554
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: she was a German heiress. What's really funny, though, is

555
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: that her German, according to a lot of people, was terrible.

556
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: Hmmm hmmm. I want you to take a listen to

557
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: what the defense claims in closing arguments.

558
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 13: She had to fake it until she could make it.

559
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 13: Those words from the defendant's own attorney, who claimed she

560
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 13: never intended to commit a crime, But prosecutors call her

561
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 13: a fraud and a liar who would do almost anything

562
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 13: to prolong her life of luxury. This morning, the fate

563
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 13: of an alleged scam artist is now in the hands

564
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 13: of a jury. Both sides wrapping up arguments for a

565
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 13: case that's drawn international outrage. The style savvy defendant even

566
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 13: turning heads in court wearing an animal print dress. She

567
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 13: called herself Anna Delvi, a fashionable globetrotter who prosecutors say

568
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 13: was pre tending to be a high flying German heiress

569
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Speaker 13: living a fairytale life of glitz and glam among Manhattan's elite.

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Speaker 4: I come to the only verdict that is in order

571
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: for the law, and that.

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Speaker 13: The prosecutors say, the twenty eight year old, whose real

573
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 13: name is Annasorrikan, stole two hundred and seventy five thousand

574
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 13: dollars from banks, hotels, and friends, all part of an

575
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 13: elaborate scheme to keep up her illusion of grandeur. Prosecutors

576
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 13: also alleged Sorrikin tried securing a twenty two million dollar

577
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 13: loan to operate a private club, claims her lawyer denies.

578
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 11: I do not believe she had the intent to ever

579
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 11: commit a crime. Whether she owes people money, that's a

580
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 11: fact of life. That's that's the reality of doing business.

581
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: In New York.

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Speaker 13: Now, facing charges of grand larceny and theft, she could

583
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Speaker 13: spend up to fifteen years in prison if convicted, but

584
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Speaker 13: officials say even if acquitted, she will be deported to Germany.

585
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 13: Sorkin's attorney said she got in over her head but

586
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 13: was just buying time until she could pay everyone back.

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00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: You're hearing our buddy wit Johnson at GMA, at ABC

588
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: pay everybody back. I saw no signs of paying everybody

589
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: back and calling this doing business. That's certainly putting perfume

590
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: on the pig. Now you know there's a problem. Wendy Patchrick,

591
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: California prosecutor and author of Red Flags. When the defense

592
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: to theft and fraud is fake it till you make it, okay,

593
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: I would not say that that's a valid defense. And

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00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: a fraud case, you're admitting you're faking it.

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Speaker 6: It's probably not a good theme for the defense one.

596
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 6: I'm sure they're rethinking.

597
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 4: Right about now.

598
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 6: You don't want to that's kind of playing right into

599
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 6: the prosecutor's case. Now what they probably were trying to do. Interestingly,

600
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 6: and trial and Nancy, you and I have both seen.

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Speaker 6: This is really kind of painting this vulnerability picture of

602
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 6: the defendant to try to make somebody feel sorry for her,

603
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 6: that she was caught up in this false lifestyle, felt

604
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 6: she had to pretend she was somebody she wasn't. Who

605
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 6: can't relate to that there's a little bit of Anna

606
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 6: and all of us, you know some of the themes

607
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 6: we've w well.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I want to isolate what

609
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: you just said. The defense argued at trial as if

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00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: Anna Sorokan aka Anna Delphy was some type of a

611
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: renegade and a rebel, someone who was, you know, making

612
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: her own path in the world creatively. B As, don't

613
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: tell me there's a little bit of Anna Sorokan in me,

614
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: because that was their defense. There's a little bit of

615
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: Anna and all of us. Oh uh uh uh no,

616
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: because she is a fraud, a thief, and she ripped

617
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: people off and they're never going to get repaid. Wendy, right,

618
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: that's what.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying that Well, that's probably why she was convicted

620
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 6: because these defenses are just not realistic to jurors, to

621
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 6: hardworking jurors, and just cannot relate to the fact that

622
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 6: we are anything like this picture of Anna. Nonetheless, we

623
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 6: have seen this defense time and again and things it

624
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 6: is not successful.

625
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

626
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 13: The courtroom drama played out late into the evening. At

627
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 13: one point the jury appeared deadlocked, the defense asking for

628
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 13: a mistrial, but then the verdict. Jurors agreed with the

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00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 13: prosecution that Anasaurkin built her fairytale life on a foundation

630
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 13: of theft and lives. Overnight, a New York City jury

631
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Speaker 13: finding socialite Anasauricim, the so called SOHO grifter, guilty on

632
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 13: eight counts, including grand larceny, attempted grand larceny, and theft

633
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 13: of services. Prosecutors arguing the twenty eight year old stole

634
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Speaker 13: a quarter of a million dollars from banks, hotels, and

635
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 13: friends to fund a lavish lifestyle.

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Speaker 11: The jurors obviously believed our point of view and followed

637
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 11: our logic and acquitted her of the top charge. As

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00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 11: I'm sad and that she was convicted of some of

639
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 11: the other.

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00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 13: Charges, Prosecutors say the Russian born Sorkin, who called herself

641
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 13: Anna Delviy, was pretending to be a high flying German

642
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 13: heiress living a life of glamour among Manhattan's elite authorities

643
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 13: say she even forged financial documents hoping to get a

644
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 13: twenty two million dollar loan to open a private club

645
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 13: in the Big Apple. While she was turned down, she

646
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 13: did convince one bank to loan her one hundred thousand dollars,

647
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 13: which she never paid back or lawyer saying she meant

648
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 13: to but had gotten in over her head and was

649
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Speaker 13: just buying time.

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Speaker 1: Anna Delviy gone for now. Don't worry, She'll be back.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder will she ever pay back all that money?

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,