WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: Bell Witch

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday. It is October. Today's classic is one where

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<v Speaker 1>we kick things off being very excited about it being October,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the bell Witch. Oh. I love this

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<v Speaker 1>story and it originally came out on October fifth, twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a

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<v Speaker 1>production of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Holly Frye and I'm Tracy d Wilson. Tracy, what is

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<v Speaker 1>that time of year again? Is that time Autumn? It's

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<v Speaker 1>the best time of year, not just Autumn, but halloweeny time.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we get into October, for any of our

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<v Speaker 1>new listeners that might not know, we can talk about

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<v Speaker 1>some fun spooks and haunts and scary stories. We can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about them year round, there's no law against it,

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<v Speaker 1>but we like to get some extra spooky stuff going

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<v Speaker 1>on here as we get into the Halloween season and

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<v Speaker 1>make a special point. Yeah, it's a special enough point

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<v Speaker 1>that for long time listeners last year when literally the

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<v Speaker 1>first two podcasts in October were not Halloween, so people

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<v Speaker 1>got real mad. And today's topic is one that we

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<v Speaker 1>often get requests for, and it's a little bit tricky,

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<v Speaker 1>as many stories along these lines can be because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the information is not just apocryphal, it is

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<v Speaker 1>flat out made up. But we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how the legend of the Bell Witch became a well

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<v Speaker 1>known part of American lore. But first we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to indulge in the fall fantasy of talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>alleged paranormal story as it is often told. So the

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<v Speaker 1>primary account of the Bell family and what happened on

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<v Speaker 1>their Tennessee land is a book that was written in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety four by Martin van Buren Ingram, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>entitled An Authenticated History of the Famous Bell Witch. But

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<v Speaker 1>that book was written more than seventy five years after

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<v Speaker 1>the events of the story, and even in the introduction

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of sets up this scenario that makes it

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to refute. Ingram claimed that he was working from

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<v Speaker 1>an account that was written by a member of the family,

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<v Speaker 1>William Bell, and that the family had declined to publish

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<v Speaker 1>that account while any of the involved parties were still living,

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<v Speaker 1>but that he had come in and you know, managed

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<v Speaker 1>to make this deal and promised that he would tell

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<v Speaker 1>the true story. By the way that manuscript that he

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<v Speaker 1>claimed to have used, there's no evidence of it ever existing.

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<v Speaker 1>But he also and when I say he, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Ingram also acknowledges that many people had already come to

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<v Speaker 1>the conclusion that the entire haunting was a hoax, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>perpetrated by members of the Bell family for some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of financial gain, but he dismisses that by describing how

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<v Speaker 1>William's account was written in an effort to clear the

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<v Speaker 1>family name and prove once and for all that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing really happened. It's one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>once he lays it all out there, like the rebuttal,

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<v Speaker 1>is of nah. Right. So first we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the story as it is laid out in that book,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we will talk about it from a more

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<v Speaker 1>skeptical perspective. The story all starts with the family patriarch,

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<v Speaker 1>John Bell, who was born in Halifax County, North Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>in seventeen fifty. He apprenticed as a cooper for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>but eventually decided to become a farmer. At the age

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<v Speaker 1>of thirty two, he got married to Lucy Williams, who

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<v Speaker 1>was twenty years younger than he was. Yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things that when I first did the

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<v Speaker 1>math there I got real creeped out, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, this can't be right. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>kept looking at other sources and it kept lining up.

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<v Speaker 1>The couple had their first child, a son named Jesse,

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<v Speaker 1>eight years later, so at that point Lucy would have

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<v Speaker 1>been twenty in seventeen ninety, and the Bells initially did

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<v Speaker 1>really well with their farm in Edgecombe County, North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>and they also had three more sons. Over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of several years. Starting in eighteen oh one, though, they

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<v Speaker 1>started to have issues with their crops, and eventually they

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<v Speaker 1>decided to leave that farm in North Carolina and move west,

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<v Speaker 1>as so many of their friends and acquaintances had already done. So.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen oh four, John, Lucy and their children, along

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<v Speaker 1>with a slave named Chloe who had been given to

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<v Speaker 1>the couple by Lucy's father when they got married, and

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<v Speaker 1>Chloe's eight children, made their way to Red River, Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>This is near the area that's now known as Adams, Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not far from Nashville, and the Bells were

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<v Speaker 1>welcomed into the community, where John bought a home and

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<v Speaker 1>some property that included both barnes and an orchard, and

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<v Speaker 1>the family established their farm, and they were again pretty prosperous,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone really adored Lucy. That comes up over and

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<v Speaker 1>over that everyone just loved this woman. And over time

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<v Speaker 1>Bell added to his landholdings and he became one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most wealthy, influential, and respected men in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>As the farm got bigger, as so often the case,

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<v Speaker 1>the family did too. The Bells had several more children,

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<v Speaker 1>including a daughter born in eighteen oh five named Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>She was called Betsy, and she becomes central to this

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<v Speaker 1>whole haunting legend. After thirteen years in Red River, things

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<v Speaker 1>started to shift from the happy prosperity that the Bell

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<v Speaker 1>family had enjoyed up to that point. Initially, the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing that happened was that John Bell saw a weird animal.

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<v Speaker 1>He spotted a creature out in the cornfield that he

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<v Speaker 1>would later describe as having a dog's body and a

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<v Speaker 1>rabbit's head. He shot at it and he missed, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of his sons, Drew Bell, saw a massive bird

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<v Speaker 1>on a fence near the home. When he went to

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<v Speaker 1>get a gun to shoot at it, the bird, which

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<v Speaker 1>he thought was a turkey, revealed itself to be a

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<v Speaker 1>strange bird that he just couldn't identify. Betsy. At one point,

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<v Speaker 1>was walking in the woods with the younger children of

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<v Speaker 1>the family one evening when she saw what appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little girl in green dress swinging in the trees.

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<v Speaker 1>That girl was not actually there. And then one of

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<v Speaker 1>their servants named Dean, claimed that he had seen a

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<v Speaker 1>black dog on his regular walks to visit who his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>who was also a slave and was owned by a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of the family named Alex Gunn, and this dog

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<v Speaker 1>would allegedly trot along in front of Dean while he

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<v Speaker 1>walked over to the gun home, and then the dog

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<v Speaker 1>would vanish just as they arrived there. The next strange

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<v Speaker 1>happening was a variety of tapping noises inside the family home,

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<v Speaker 1>and they couldn't figure out what the source of these

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<v Speaker 1>noises was. These noises had actually been going on for

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<v Speaker 1>some time, and at first they had been attributed to

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<v Speaker 1>much more ordinary things like the children being mischievous, but

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<v Speaker 1>it continued to get more frequent and louder. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a faint voice that the members allegedly started to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>It was too feeble for anyone to make out the

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<v Speaker 1>words or the songs, but they sounded like they were

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<v Speaker 1>coming from an elderly woman, and according to the Bell children,

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<v Speaker 1>their bedding began to be pulled off of them in

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<v Speaker 1>the night, and they also reported that animals, possibly rats,

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<v Speaker 1>could be heard chewing on their bed posts, but that

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<v Speaker 1>whenever the noises were investigated and someone lit a candle

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<v Speaker 1>or tried to look, nothing was actually there. Then they

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<v Speaker 1>started to report that they heard what sounded like dogs

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<v Speaker 1>fighting in the house, and then there were sounds of

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<v Speaker 1>chains on the floor, and then additional creepier noises were

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<v Speaker 1>also detailed in William Bell's account, including what sounded like

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<v Speaker 1>the smacking of lips and occasional gulping. Those are like

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of great details for me, Like that's such

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<v Speaker 1>a good creepy noise detail. Like if you were just

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<v Speaker 1>lying in bed and you heard what sounded like someone

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<v Speaker 1>gulping or smacking their lips near you, wouldn't that be

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<v Speaker 1>delightfully creepy? And at this point, the symptoms of their

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<v Speaker 1>haunting are kind of like a haunting Schmorgus board. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like we're just gonna have a buffet things happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we're gonna new strange things and then different strange things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the next strange thing was that William recounted that

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<v Speaker 1>he felt as though someone had grabbed his hair in

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<v Speaker 1>the night and began to lift him off the bed

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<v Speaker 1>by his head with it. So this elderly woman's frail

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<v Speaker 1>voice we've been talking about that had been too faint

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<v Speaker 1>to make out not so much the case when speaking

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<v Speaker 1>to Betsy. This witch is said to have given some

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<v Speaker 1>very clear direction that Betsy should not marry her intended,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a boy named Joshua Gardner. And we were

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get back to that in a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 1>before we talk about how the family handled all of

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<v Speaker 1>this wacky stuff that was happening. Like Tracy said, it

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of the haunting Smorgasboard. We're gonna pause for

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<v Speaker 1>a word from one of our fantastic sponsors. So getting

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<v Speaker 1>back to the John Bell, the patriarch of the family,

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<v Speaker 1>started to have some medical issues during all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and his condition gradually worsened. Initially, it was described as

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<v Speaker 1>quote a stiffness of tongue. So when he was having

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<v Speaker 1>an episode of this illness, he couldn't eat, and he

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<v Speaker 1>described it as feeling as though a stick was lodged

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<v Speaker 1>sideways in his mouth between his cheeks preventing him from eating,

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<v Speaker 1>so when he would try to eat, the food would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fall right back out. At first, john was

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<v Speaker 1>encouraging the family to keep the strange happenings at the

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<v Speaker 1>farm and his mystery illness under wraps, but eventually he

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<v Speaker 1>disclosed what was going on to a neighbor and friend

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<v Speaker 1>named James Johnson. Johnson and his wife spent a night

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<v Speaker 1>at the Bell home at John Bell's request, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were hoping that they could maybe shed some light on

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<v Speaker 1>this situation and offer an outsider's perspective as to what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on. And after leading the family in prayer and

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<v Speaker 1>then retiring to bed, Johnson and his wife witnessed the

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<v Speaker 1>same Finni that the Bells had been experiencing, including hearing

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<v Speaker 1>all of the noises in racket, having their bed covers

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<v Speaker 1>pulled off of them as they slept, and mister Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>apparently had the presence of mind to try to speak

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<v Speaker 1>with the mysterious entity, and he determined that a it

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<v Speaker 1>was intelligent and b it would cease its actions when

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to, and then c that John Bell should no

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<v Speaker 1>longer keep this situation secret, but should seek the help

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<v Speaker 1>of the community. So a lot of people started going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bell Home to visit and to investigate this spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>who at this point people were saying was called Kate,

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<v Speaker 1>And really all they were figuring out was that Kate

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<v Speaker 1>really hated John Bell and seemed like basically a gossipy,

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<v Speaker 1>busybody and not an actual problem. Her manifestations did start

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<v Speaker 1>to have become stronger, and it became clear that she

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<v Speaker 1>was speaking Bible verses and singing hymns. When asked who

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<v Speaker 1>she was and what she wanted, she replied, I am

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<v Speaker 1>a spirit. I was once very happy, but have been

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<v Speaker 1>disturbed later after she grew more adept at communicating. The

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<v Speaker 1>spirit apparently said that she had been buried nearby, but

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<v Speaker 1>that her grave had been disturbed, and that one of

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<v Speaker 1>her teeth was under the Bell Home and she was

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<v Speaker 1>looking for it. Yeah, there is a whole wack a

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<v Speaker 1>doodle story about an animal's head showing up and a

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<v Speaker 1>tooth falling out of it and into a crack in

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<v Speaker 1>the floor, but we don't know well. And this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing we were talking about before the break, that was

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<v Speaker 1>like and then there were noises, and then there was singing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there was levitation, and then there was someone

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<v Speaker 1>grabbing my hair. I'm like, none of these things are

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<v Speaker 1>really creepy to me. But then we get to this

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<v Speaker 1>part where she's like, and my tooth is under your house,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, all right, come out out of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Ghostly Dentistry is where Tracy draws the line. And this witch, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was devoted to John's wife Lucy, just like everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>She loved Lucy, And as we said, she had come

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<v Speaker 1>to be known as Kate, and this consequently has associated

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<v Speaker 1>her with a neighbor of the Bells, a woman named

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<v Speaker 1>Kate Bats. And we're going to talk about Kate Bats

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later in the episode, and there's even

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<v Speaker 1>the suggestion that she, this disembodied voice claimed herself to

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<v Speaker 1>be Kate Bats. But whatever her true origin, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was Kate Bats or just a mystery person, she became

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<v Speaker 1>downright famous in the area, and for a time she

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<v Speaker 1>almost seems to have been seen as a good influence.

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<v Speaker 1>People were just afraid enough of her that they lived good,

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<v Speaker 1>honest lives. According to Ingram's writings, quote, everybody got good.

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<v Speaker 1>The wicked left off swearing, lying and whiskey drinking. The avaricious.

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<v Speaker 1>We're careful not to covet or lay hands on that

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<v Speaker 1>which belonged to their neighbors, lest Kate might tell on them.

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<v Speaker 1>No man allowed his right hand to do anything that

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<v Speaker 1>the left might be ashamed of, And the story of

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<v Speaker 1>what the spirit was troubled about, i e. That lost tooth,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, did not stay consistent, though, so later

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<v Speaker 1>she told a visitor that she had once had a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal of wealth, but had buried it, and she

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<v Speaker 1>would only tell Betsy Bell the location of this buried treasure.

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<v Speaker 1>She later eventually told several men in the family as

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<v Speaker 1>well as close friends of the family, on the stipulation

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<v Speaker 1>that they give every dollar that was buried to Betsy.

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<v Speaker 1>And these men went out and they dug, and they

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<v Speaker 1>dug in the named spot, which was this very tricky area.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was near a stream, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like a there was a lot of heavy rock over it.

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<v Speaker 1>And they found nothing. And the spirit when they reported

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<v Speaker 1>back to the house that no, there's nothing in that spot,

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit allegedly laughed at them that night and taunted

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<v Speaker 1>them for being so easily duped. In eighteen eighteen, as

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<v Speaker 1>the stories of Kate were becoming a lot more well

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<v Speaker 1>known in the area, the church excommunicated John Bell. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>this is reported as being due to his association with

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<v Speaker 1>supernatural events, but there was a more mundane element to

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<v Speaker 1>the story. You're going to talk about it in a bit, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will give you a slight spoiler alert that,

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<v Speaker 1>for my money, the reason he was excommunicated is way

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<v Speaker 1>more troubling than any paranormal thing. There was also allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>a notable human visitor to the Bell farm in eighteen nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The claim is that Major General Andrew Jackson came to

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<v Speaker 1>stay and during the War of eighteen twelve, the three

0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.400
<v Speaker 1>eldest bell Sons had served under Jackson at the Battle

0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.080
<v Speaker 1>of New Orleans. Jackson had heard, according again to this

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<v Speaker 1>tale of the alleged haunting, and even made a joke

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<v Speaker 1>that the witch must be holding them up when the

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<v Speaker 1>horses he was that were part of his travel group

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly stopped as they approached the Bell farm, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to Ingram's accounts of the visit, this entourage that was

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<v Speaker 1>following Andrew Jackson was intending to spend a week there,

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<v Speaker 1>but they left after just one night. She went on

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<v Speaker 1>to spend different arns to subsequent visitors to the Bell

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<v Speaker 1>home claiming at one point to be the spirit of

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<v Speaker 1>a young girl and another to be the ghost of

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<v Speaker 1>a family friend's stepmother. Nothing was consistent, much like all

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<v Speaker 1>the earlier symptoms of the haunting, and it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>things were shifting away from jovial toying into being a

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<v Speaker 1>little more sinister. At one point, when family friend William

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<v Speaker 1>Porter was staying at the house, Kate claimed to want

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<v Speaker 1>to get in the bed with him, and he said

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<v Speaker 1>that the bedcovers slowly twisted into a human shape next

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<v Speaker 1>to him and sort of curled up next to him,

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<v Speaker 1>and thinking at that point that he had the witch captured,

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<v Speaker 1>Porter picked up all of those bedclothes and intended to

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<v Speaker 1>throw them in the fire, but they began to emit

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<v Speaker 1>a really foul smell and he dropped them on the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>In September of eighteen twenty, Lucy Bell had pleurisy, and

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit allegedly acted as a nursemaid, singing to her

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<v Speaker 1>and checking in on her and what's described as a

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<v Speaker 1>very loving way. According to William's account, Kate even brought

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<v Speaker 1>hazelnuts and grapes to the sick woman, and the manifestations

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<v Speaker 1>then had shifted from irritating we said, they kind of

0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.120
<v Speaker 1>ratcheted up and were less jovial, but then they became

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<v Speaker 1>downright chilling. So Betsy Bell began experiencing attacks that harkened

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<v Speaker 1>back to the descriptions of spirit torture from the Salem

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<v Speaker 1>witch trials that had happened more than one hundred years

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<v Speaker 1>prior to the events on the Bell farm. She described

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<v Speaker 1>the sensation of feeling like she was being pricked with

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<v Speaker 1>pins and as though she was being slapped by a disembodied,

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<v Speaker 1>non corporeal hand, and her friends actually said that they

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed welts appearing on her face and saw at times

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<v Speaker 1>even her shoes being forcibly pulled off of her body.

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<v Speaker 1>The attacks on Betsy slowly subsided, but as they did,

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<v Speaker 1>John Bell's health really deteriorated. He started having spells that

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<v Speaker 1>lasted a day or two, during what his tongue would

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<v Speaker 1>once again seem to stiffen and his face would go

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<v Speaker 1>into spasms. Once these spells had passed, he seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be in fine health and he went about his life,

0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:13.800
<v Speaker 1>but the incidents became more frequent and longer and more

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<v Speaker 1>severe over time. Additionally, John Bell was tormented in a

0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.840
<v Speaker 1>more assaulted way he started to experience this feeling of

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<v Speaker 1>being slapped in much the same way that Betsy had described,

0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.159
<v Speaker 1>as well as also having his shoes jerked off his

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<v Speaker 1>feet repeatedly as he attempted to walk in the fields.

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<v Speaker 1>On the morning of December nineteenth, eighteen twenty, John Bell

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<v Speaker 1>could not be roused from sleep. A vial was found

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<v Speaker 1>near his body that contained a dark liquid, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to William's story, the family sent for a doctor from

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<v Speaker 1>Port Royal, and the spirit could be heard saying that

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<v Speaker 1>the family patriarch would never rise from his bed again.

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<v Speaker 1>This part's really hard for me, So if you're an

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<v Speaker 1>animal person, maybe don't listen for the next twenty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Contents of that mystery vial were tested by giving it

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<v Speaker 1>to a cat, and that cat, of course, quickly died.

0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.680
<v Speaker 1>The remaining bits of liquid were thrown in the fire

0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.359
<v Speaker 1>and then produced a blue flame. John Bell died on

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<v Speaker 1>December twentieth, and the witch is said to have sung

0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.080
<v Speaker 1>joyously throughout his burial there on the farm. After John's death,

0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.280
<v Speaker 1>the spirit is said to have largely stopped in her activities,

0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.160
<v Speaker 1>although she lingered into eighteen twenty one before she told

0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Lucy that she would go but return another seven years later.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, she stayed true to that in Ingram's book

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<v Speaker 1>and appeared at the farm again in eighteen twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So when she reappeared, she started doing the same sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of things as she had been doing early on in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventeen, tapping around the house pulling covers off of beds.

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<v Speaker 1>But this only went on for two weeks and then

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<v Speaker 1>Kate once again vanished. So at that point William, his

0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.600
<v Speaker 1>brother Joel, and their mother Lucy were the only people

0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.679
<v Speaker 1>still living in the house, and they had all agreed

0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 1>to it nor the spirit and not engage with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently that worked, as she left the Bell family

0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.600
<v Speaker 1>seemingly for good. And now that we've given some of

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<v Speaker 1>the highlights of the Bell Witch's time in Tennessee, as

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<v Speaker 1>based on William Bell's alleged recollection, we will talk about

0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.159
<v Speaker 1>things from a more critical perspective. Before we do that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take a brief word from a sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of theories about the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bell Witch and what was actually going on at

0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.800
<v Speaker 1>this farm if it was a ruse. One of the

0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.760
<v Speaker 1>theories is that someone wanted to break up the relationship

0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.600
<v Speaker 1>between Betsy Bell and her fiancee, Joshua Gardner, and if

0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.400
<v Speaker 1>that had been the motivation, the ruse was in fact successful.

0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Betsy was frightened enough by the witch's admonitions against her

0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.560
<v Speaker 1>marriage to Gardner that she broke up with him in

0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:01.439
<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty one. One of the can Temprairie explanations, and

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<v Speaker 1>one that we alluded to in the intro to the episode,

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>was that two of the Bell boys had learned ventriloquism

0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.119
<v Speaker 1>when they had traveled to New Orleans on trading trips,

0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.159
<v Speaker 1>and then they had taught Betsy the skill, and the

0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.119
<v Speaker 1>three of them got together to basically lonch to make hopes.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were some times during these events of the

0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 1>alleged haunting when one or the other of the Bell

0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:23.959
<v Speaker 1>boys was away from the family home, and then there

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<v Speaker 1>were also times when all three of them were present

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<v Speaker 1>in plain sight when the noises in the witch's voice

0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:34.600
<v Speaker 1>were heard. And Betsy was, by all accounts a lovely

0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.199
<v Speaker 1>girl and very bright as well, who was admired by

0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.040
<v Speaker 1>virtually all of the young men in the area, and

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<v Speaker 1>there have been theories that a romantic rival may have

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<v Speaker 1>been behind the hauntings. And while the issues began when

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<v Speaker 1>she was only twelve. By the time she had been

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<v Speaker 1>moved to break up with her longtime sweetheart Joshua, she

0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.399
<v Speaker 1>was sixteen. One of the more likely suspects in the

0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.119
<v Speaker 1>whole suitor theory is a man named Richard Powell. Richard

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.399
<v Speaker 1>had been the Belchi children's teacher, but as Betsy grew

0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.480
<v Speaker 1>toward adulthood, he seemed to take a romantic interest in her,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was also a close friend of the family.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that makes Powell look so

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious is that while he did not apparently tell his

0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.880
<v Speaker 1>friends in the area he was married, his wife Esther,

0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 1>was almost twenty years older than he was, and she

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<v Speaker 1>died of unspecified causes the same year that Betsy finally

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<v Speaker 1>broke off her engagement to Joshua Gardner. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to note that while this is mentioned in several

0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:37.680
<v Speaker 1>texts with a citation of the records of Robertson County, Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>I found this little bit of information too late in

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<v Speaker 1>the game to actually get eyes on those records for confirmation,

0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.920
<v Speaker 1>but it does show up in multiple different accounts. Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Powell started to openly pursue Betsy after her ties to

0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Gardner were severed, and he and Betsy were married in

0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:58.000
<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty four. Richard died seventeen years later, and Betsy

0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.320
<v Speaker 1>remained a widow for the rest of her life her

0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:04.160
<v Speaker 1>death in eighteen ninety. So, yeah, some people think that

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 1>that sort of chain of events points circumstantially to Richard

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Powell having orchestrated the whole thing. And remember that thing

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<v Speaker 1>about John Bell being excommunicated from the church. It did

0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.880
<v Speaker 1>not have to do with anything paranormal. It actually had

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<v Speaker 1>to do with some shady lending practices and some usury

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:26.040
<v Speaker 1>in relation to the sale of slaves. So John Bell

0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.920
<v Speaker 1>was basically making some shady business deals and the church

0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.399
<v Speaker 1>did not like that, so that is why he was excommunicated.

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<v Speaker 1>It did not have anything to do with demonic possession.

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<v Speaker 1>Another incongruity from the Ingram Book, which is the primary

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<v Speaker 1>source that most other Belwich authors draw from, is that

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<v Speaker 1>visit from Andrew Jackson. There's never been anything to document

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson making this trip. And Andrew Jackson never wrote about

0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.400
<v Speaker 1>it in his personal diaries. One would think that such

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<v Speaker 1>a novel experience would merit at least a line or

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<v Speaker 1>two in a diary. Yeah, and As for Kate Bats,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a world of no While there have

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 1>been a vast array of rumors about her, including that

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.879
<v Speaker 1>she and John Bell had a bad business dealing that

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 1>led her to curse him. In another that she was

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.400
<v Speaker 1>in fact pregnant by John Bell, and that he killed her.

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:20.200
<v Speaker 1>She actually died decades after John Bell, so she could

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.880
<v Speaker 1>not have been vengeance haunting him, and he definitely did

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>not kill her. It does appear, at least in the

0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Angrim account, that Kate Bats was kind of an outsider

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.119
<v Speaker 1>in the community and was viewed with some suspicion. She

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<v Speaker 1>was loud and brash, which for a woman in the

0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 1>late eighteenth and early nineteenth century basically meant scary rumors

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.479
<v Speaker 1>of witchcraft had been attached to her at various points

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 1>in time, but more because it seems like she was

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<v Speaker 1>peculiar and not because of any actual malicious behavior, So

0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 1>it seems like she was really more of a convenient

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 1>figure for the people making up this story to pin

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:57.639
<v Speaker 1>on her, rather than somebody that actually was a ghost.

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 1>And there was even in that first acout the link

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 1>between the two suggesting that Kate Bats was somehow manifesting

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the various events through witchcraft. But apparently even when the

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Bell Witch was being perceived as a good thing, Kate

0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:14.679
<v Speaker 1>Bats was incensed to be associated with it, so that

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:19.240
<v Speaker 1>idea really doesn't hold much water. And she was also

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 1>we should point out Lucy Bell's niece. She was related

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.920
<v Speaker 1>to the Bells. Her father was actually Lucy Bell's brother.

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.160
<v Speaker 1>And there's also no record of this business deal gone

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>bad between her and John Bell that instigated this ill

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 1>will and there's no real motive for her to go

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:39.120
<v Speaker 1>to so much trouble to pester this family. On top

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<v Speaker 1>of all these facts that don't really add up, there's

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<v Speaker 1>the matter of the Angram Book and its truthfulness. Ingram,

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a newspaperman, was writing it two generations removed from the

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 1>actual events. We always talk about how unreliable even fresh

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.399
<v Speaker 1>eyewitness accounts can be, so even if he did have

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 1>a manuscript that really was written by William Bell, that

0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 1>manuscript would have been written according to Ingram's own introduction

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen forties, twenty years after the then adolescent

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>William had experienced the so called Bell Witch events. So

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 1>it's number one a book. Ingram was writing much later

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<v Speaker 1>after William Bell had allegedly written it down twenty years

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>after it had purportedly happened. And there's also the possibility

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.639
<v Speaker 1>that Ingram assembled this tale as a deceptive fiction to

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 1>capitalize on its sensational nature. There are just enough verifiable

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:35.920
<v Speaker 1>details about the family that it might convince readers, while

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 1>the supernatural elements of it are entirely unverifiable. None of

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.159
<v Speaker 1>it really passes muster as a true historical account of

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.879
<v Speaker 1>this alleged haunting. And then, I mean, this reminds me

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of when we were talking about Anne Bonnie and Mary Reid.

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that seems the most telling about

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 1>how this whole account is that Ingram was incredibly insistent

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>about how it was completely indisputable. Yeah, here is a

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<v Speaker 1>passage that we're going to read that's particularly unrelenting in

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<v Speaker 1>how no one with any integrity could possibly ever doubt it.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing the character of the men and women who testify

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<v Speaker 1>to these things, no one can disbelieve them or believe

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<v Speaker 1>that they would have willfully misrepresented the facts. Nor can

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<v Speaker 1>it be reasonably said that so many reputable witnesses had

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<v Speaker 1>fallen into an abnormal state of mind and were so

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<v Speaker 1>easily deceived in all of their rigid investigations. A man

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<v Speaker 1>may be arraigned for trial on the charge of murder,

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<v Speaker 1>the court and jury knowing nothing about the facts and circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>but they are bound by both physical and moral law

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<v Speaker 1>to believe and find the man guilty on the testimony

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<v Speaker 1>of reputable witnesses detailing the facts and circumstances, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>may form no opinion or idea as to the state

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<v Speaker 1>of mind or cause that prompted the prisoner to commit

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<v Speaker 1>the murder. So it is in this instance the testimony

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<v Speaker 1>is convincing of the truth of the wonderful phenomena at

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<v Speaker 1>John Bell's, but the motive or cause is beyond our comprehension,

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<v Speaker 1>and to this extent the fact must be accepted. It

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<v Speaker 1>really happened, y'all. You're horrible if you doubt it. Of course, today,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bell Witch is a moneymaker. People love a good

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<v Speaker 1>haunting story, so it gets told and retold, and the

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<v Speaker 1>details shift and changed, just like gooey ectoplasm. Aside from

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<v Speaker 1>the dates associated with things like births and deaths, writings

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<v Speaker 1>about the Bell Witch often are really different in their details.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember somebody telling me a story about the Bell Witch.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when I was in college that had basically

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<v Speaker 1>a completely different cast of characters. Yeah, there was even

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<v Speaker 1>a book written recently by a clairvoyant that dispelled the

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<v Speaker 1>long standing myth that the family was cursed, and this

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<v Speaker 1>instead indicated that the land that they had moved to

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<v Speaker 1>intended was the source of this curse. Not only has

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<v Speaker 1>this story been used as an ingredient in numerous films,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a variety of quote documentary examinations of the paranormal.

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<v Speaker 1>For a small fee, you can tour the bell Witch Cave,

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<v Speaker 1>which is on the property and as allegedly haunted, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>by Kate herself, So if you're hankering to try to

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<v Speaker 1>meet her, you can. It's probably what you're gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>as a cave. Yeah, Yeah, it's one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>there you'll have people talk about like all of the

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<v Speaker 1>various components of it and how you know the blue flame.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that's a little more science based

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<v Speaker 1>is that when they threw that liquid from that vial

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<v Speaker 1>into the fire and it burned blue, that that could

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<v Speaker 1>be an indication of arsenic so that perhaps someone had

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<v Speaker 1>been systematically poisoning John Bell, But again it's unclear who

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<v Speaker 1>might have been doing that, although apparently he was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a weasel in some business dealings, so we don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but it definitely doesn't when you really start to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the facts of things. All of the elements that

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<v Speaker 1>get sensationalized is super spooky don't really hold up to scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the scoop on the bell which thanks so

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