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The mother told me 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: she last saw her daughter in the home at around 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: eleven pm when she checked on her. This is my world, 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: this is my angel. She said. Her boyfriend saw the 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: taller around midnight when he got up, and she says 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: he told her to go back to bed. Remains believed 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: to be the little girl were discovered along the highway. 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: Now there's an arrest thirty two year old girl, Camry, 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Mariah's mother's boyfriend. No one is charged with causing her death. 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: Henry's charges only include concealing a death, an obstruction of justice. 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: More charges likely to follow and maybe others charged. We 31 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: are not ruling anything up. Imagine waking up to find 32 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: your three year old taught girl is gone. You search 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: all the bedrooms, you look in the dan, you look 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: at her hiding places, then you look outside, then you 35 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: look in the car, then you look around the yard, 36 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: and then it sinks in. She's gone. A three year 37 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: old taught girl vanishes from the family home in North Carolina, 38 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: and today a bombshell that is cracking the case wide open. 39 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: being with us, joining me. Forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, 41 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: renowned New York psychologist, Dr Karen Stark, Ashley Wilcott, lawyer, 42 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: child advocate, and joining me special guest investigative reporter from 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaily News, Mike McHugh. Mike, thank you for 44 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: being with us. Take me back to the night that 45 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 1: Mariah Woods goes missing. Well, it's started on a beautiful 46 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: Monday morning here in Oslo County, Downslow County, North Carolina, 47 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: on November the Hall went into the Emergency Operations Center 48 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: appropiately around six thirty and law enforcement went out to 49 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: this area, sent a rural part of Honslo County, and 50 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: they began searching for a three year old missing girl 51 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: and that we were notified UM in the middle part 52 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: of the morning, and UM I went out there and 53 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: when I when I arrived on scene, there were a helicopter. 54 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: There was a helicopter flying over the house at a 55 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: low altitude, UM scanning the woods behind the home. And 56 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: Sheriff Hans Miller was about to UM start a small 57 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: interview with two TV stations and myself. It was in 58 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: the morning. Let me get my climbing straight, let me 59 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: get my timing straight. With me on the scene. Mike McHugh, 60 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Mike, you go there immediately when you learned 61 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: the three year old girl was missing. There's a helicopter 62 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: hovering above their sheriff is in the front yard, the 63 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: press is there. This all starts at six thirty in 64 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: the morning and that is about the time the nine 65 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: one one call comes in. What do we learn about 66 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: the night before? When was Mariah last seen? Well, that 67 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: was one of the challenges the investigators had was to 68 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: create a timeline and asked Pete and to find out 69 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: when she was last seen. They had gone up as 70 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: a family to the Raleigh area where Mr. Kimry's people 71 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: are from, and m They returned back Sunday night to 72 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: their home. That is to say, the two boys ages 73 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: five and ten, and Mariah aged three, and Christie and Earl. 74 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: So the five of them returned back to Onslo County 75 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: sometime Sunday evening. They go to bed that night. Correct, uh, 76 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. They go to bed that 77 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: night and the mom, Christie says the baby Mariah gets 78 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: up around midnight and the Livian Earl Kimry takes her 79 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: back to bed, puts her back in bed and he 80 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: comes and gets back in bed. That's my understanding the 81 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: way it goes down, and that's our understanding as well too, 82 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: as far as what we've heard and what what they 83 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: have said, um and what law enforcement has said. As 84 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, take a listen to the mom's 85 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 1: desperate ply to find her baby. Please bring her back 86 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: and I love her. Do anything that I can't. Whatever 87 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: you want to break her home, Please safe the sound. 88 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: She's my baby, She's by everything. What does she means 89 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: to you and your family in this community? She's like 90 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: an angel. I have my toothes tied and burnt on 91 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: each side. I felt out I was pregnant with her, 92 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: so we call her our little angel. She's got the 93 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: personality of make you laugh. She's goofy, outgoing, talkative. She 94 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: knows how to make your day brighter. A lot to 95 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: this community and people that are here looking for her. 96 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: Love her to death. What would it means for you 97 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: to see her face again? Everything in the world, just 98 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: to be able to touch her and hold her, not 99 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: let her go again? Give anything tack Donsla County Sheriff Department, 100 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: Please and let us know. And if whoever has her, 101 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: please I'm begging you bring her home safe. So we 102 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: take it from there, and then explosive claims arise. We 103 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: learned that the timeline may not be as it has 104 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: been stated, the entire investigation is thrown into, you know, disarray. 105 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: The timeline is everything to Joseph's got Morgan forensics expert 106 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: for a professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University. Why 107 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: is the timeline so crucial Joe Scott Morgan, Well, because 108 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: that's what the entire case is built upon, Nancy, establishment 109 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: of where this child was at what time she was 110 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: last seen. And also it goes to individuals in the 111 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: future trying to aliby themselves as you well know over 112 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: cases that that you've worked over the years. Uh, the 113 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: devil is in the details and people trying to justify 114 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: their placement, the placement of victims, the placement of assailants, 115 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: and it paints a picture when you finally get into 116 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: court of what actually happened for that jury, and it's 117 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: a very compelling piece of information. One other part here, Nancy, 118 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: is if we're looking for a body, for instance, from 119 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: a forensic perspective, timeline is important for us because if 120 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: you've got an into an individual that is telling us 121 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: something as far as when the person was last seen, 122 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: but that doesn't marry Up, for instance, would say the 123 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: decompositional changes in a body, then you know that something stinks. 124 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: We believe arrived at the home and a very bucolic 125 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: and rural setting, very low crime rate. They learned that 126 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: Mariah's home showed no signs of forced entry, no indication 127 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: whatsoever an outsider had entered the home. There were five 128 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: people in the home that night. As Mike mqugh is 129 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: telling us, you've got the mother, Christie, the longtime boyfriend 130 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: Earl Kimry, and the three children, a ten year old boy, 131 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: a five year old boy, and three year old Mariah Woods. 132 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: Why her now? According to police, the mom, Christie Woods, 133 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: tells police quote, the last time I saw her was 134 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: around eleven p m. Sunday when I went to check 135 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: on her. Now that right there, already, Karen Stark, veteran 136 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining me. Right there, we've got the 137 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: other statement that she saw her at twelve o'clock when 138 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: the child woke up in the night and wandered into 139 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: mom's bedroom. Right, that's two conflicting statements, right, there. I 140 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: know it sounds um like not a significant conflict, but 141 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: it is because I can tell you last night when 142 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: I saw the children last before I got up this morning. 143 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: All right, I distinctly remember it. So how could it 144 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: be when I put her to bed? But oh, waite noe. 145 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: Then in another statement, it was at midnight when she 146 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: wandered into my room. Well, that tells you that something 147 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: is going on and that she's cooking up some kind 148 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: of a different story. And especially like you said, Nancy, 149 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: a mother would know when she saw her child last. 150 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: So she's telling one story and then all of a 151 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: sudden she remember as well, no, she actually did get up. 152 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: You have a child that's missing. All of a sudden 153 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: sheer remembers that she got up. There's something wrong that 154 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Now we know that it is the 155 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: mother that goes in and finds her missing the next morning, 156 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: and very often, to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, that's where 157 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: we're start an investigation. Who discovers the child is missing? 158 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: It was the mother? Correct, Yeah, yeah, it was. And 159 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: you know what, mother doesn't go in and check on 160 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: her children, and you can imagine the terror that rose 161 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: up within her relative to this um And again this 162 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: is this is the point in time where we begin 163 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: to physically establish a timeline from an investigative standpoint. Uh, 164 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: that's gonna be uh pinned in time relative to the cops, 165 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: because when the police show up at the scene, they're 166 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: gonna ask for clarity on this point. And I'm talking 167 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: about the initial officers. I'm not talking about detectives. When 168 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: did you last see the child? When did you last 169 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: see the child? Did you get up during the middle 170 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: of the night. Did you hear her moving around dur 171 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. Are you sure about 172 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: that time when you woke up? So this is this 173 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: is imperative. It is absolutely imperative that you established this 174 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: tom and the point in time in which she found 175 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: are discovered that the child was missing from the home. 176 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: Then we learned the horrific discovery. Just a couple of 177 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: days later, Mariah's remains are found. At first, not sure 178 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: it was her, face down, the three year old little 179 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: girl in a creek a creek shelter creek along Shaw 180 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: Highway in Pender County, North Carolina. The child missing since Sunday. 181 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: When investigators discover remains, they believe to be the little girl? 182 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: How did this little girl go from sleeping in her 183 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: bed a three year old? Talk? Every photo I see 184 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: of her, she's decked out in peak u w airing 185 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: um a tiara or a headband, and little fake ear 186 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: rings and little socks and shoes with her baby doll 187 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: in pink and even a pink baby bottle for the 188 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: baby doll, always perfectly appointed in every way. How did 189 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: this beautiful angel end up from her home sleeping in 190 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: the room next to mommy and her brothers in the home. 191 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: How did she end up face down dead in a creek? Well, 192 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: now an explosive discovery has cracked the case wide open. 193 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the distraught father tells us. 194 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: Have they told you how they think she was killed? Alex, No, 195 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: not yet. They as soon as they found her body, 196 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: they rushed their us Greenville, North Carolina. Well, they was 197 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: gonna perform the autopsy and I'll find out further information 198 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: on how, when, why not? Why? But how and when 199 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: and all that information? Alex. Do they believe that Mariah 200 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: was molested? I have not. I do not know that 201 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: me They can I have yes, I think so. I 202 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: hope him, pray not just for the peace of mind. 203 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: But I think so, yes, I have not heard that 204 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: from nobody, because you know, they're now just doing the altosic. 205 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: So I don't know Alex was she clothed when she 206 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: was found. I had no idea. They did not tell me. 207 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: All they told me was that they found my baby girl. 208 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: They frown Mariah about twenty minutes away from where we're 209 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: twenty away from our home. Before we take you back 210 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: on the scene and the breaking news and the Mariah 211 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: Woods investigation. I need all the energy I can get 212 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: to raise the twins. Work all day, put supper on 213 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: the table, and keep going into the evening when they've 214 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: got all the energy in the world. And this is 215 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: how I do it. I watch my blood pressure. 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Now 242 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: we head back to North Carolina and the breaking news 243 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: in the search for three year old Mariah Woods. Then 244 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: explosive documents are revealed. I have them here with me, 245 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: and they are Defects Department Family Children's Services documents where 246 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: it is alleged to live in boyfriend ed Kimry had 247 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: been abusing, had been sexually abusing baby Maria. How do 248 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: we know? According to the documents, one of the brothers 249 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: observed it. Not only that there had been a previous 250 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: issue where one of the brothers had been beaten allegedly 251 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: by Camra. And it all blows up during the search 252 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: for baby Mariah when her body is found faced down 253 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: in that creek miles away from home in the middle 254 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: of the night, all h e double ale breaks wide open. 255 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the local sheriff says today. 256 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: We reached enough probam costs to charge Mr kim from 257 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: murder because it took a long time to do that, 258 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: but we wanted to make sure that the protocol was 259 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: probably followed, that the report was received from the medical examiner, 260 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: and sometimes science takes a little bit longer, so that 261 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: was the delay. Now, most citizens have been very patient 262 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: with this, uh, but I think those who were not, 263 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: we would like them to know that we have an obligation, 264 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: we have a responsibility to follow a good protocol. To 265 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: make sure that we present a case to the district attorney, 266 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: that is that he can provide the court. So there's 267 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: going to be justice from Maria. Justice from Mariya is 268 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: something that was heard a lot in our county. Because 269 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: this county came together. We've had support from the federal government. 270 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: We've held support from military, We've had support from the state, 271 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: We've had support from other local agencies, law enforcement, fire, 272 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: h E, M, s UM, social, any kind of human 273 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: services that we actually had. The business community came out 274 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: and supported us because we were very busy and during 275 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: the search we had intended to make sure that everything 276 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: was followed. The protocol must be followed, and it was 277 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: done properly. So today we've reached Um the position where 278 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: we could charge Um the defendant with murder. The defendant 279 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: was already in custody, so he was not going to 280 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: go anywhere. Will there be a more rest Well, arrests 281 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: in our system of justice, and arrest is only made 282 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: if probable cause is achieved. We have tried very actively 283 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: to explore every lead, every h every bit of evidence 284 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: was used and h As this point, we do not 285 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: have any additional evidence that would lead to another arrest. 286 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: That does not mean that this investigation is closed. That 287 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: means that we're just not there to make another rest. 288 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: At this point. The mother, Christie Woods, has been UH 289 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: involved in helping with this. She has been coroberative and 290 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: that she has provided information that let to this investigation. 291 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: And UH again to re answer the other question about 292 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: any additional arrests, This investigation is not over. However, we 293 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: have to make sure that we have probable cause without 294 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: probably cause. Low rest was what motivated what what prompted 295 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: this this murder? Well, that will be up to the 296 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: prosecutor to bring out in court and it will up 297 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: to the defense. So that dot it's another court case. 298 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: We have been very active with the District Attorney's office. 299 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: District Attorney Earning Lead has provided some very helpful information 300 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: to my investigators, and he has all the information that 301 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: we have and he asked us to protect the court case. 302 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're doing. We're putting out to 303 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: the public any information that we can put out without 304 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: jeopardizing the case and in court. And once again, the 305 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: medical examiners report yesterday is one web to today. Yes Um, 306 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: we had to make sure that we have the actual 307 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: cause of death. We had suspicions, but until we get 308 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: the actual report. Until we have the report in hand, 309 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: then we it's a suspicion whether any visual signs of 310 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: a sexual thought. Well, again, that's going to be part 311 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: of the court and I don't Well, I understand that 312 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: you want a lot more information. So we asked to 313 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: ask you to place respect us and let that case 314 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: come out in court. Let that information come out in court, 315 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: because we don't want to jeopanize the more case and 316 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: we certainly do not want to poison to the jury. 317 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: Bold sure up your father or grandfather. Obviously, this case 318 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: has become something that's not only incredibly taxing, but something 319 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: that you that's stuck with you. I imagine something that 320 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: you take home with you from the office. Tell me 321 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: about this case and how it's affected you and your 322 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: law enforcement officers. Well, it was not only myself, because 323 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: obviously this community was affected by that father's mother's and 324 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: uncle's sisters, brothers. When a little child uh is murdered, um, 325 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's if you're a human being, 326 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: you have to be affected by it. But not only that. 327 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: This is the stunner. While Mariah Woods's little body was 328 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: in the county morgue. We couldn't seem to find out 329 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: the cause of death. It was guarded very secretly. We 330 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: were wondering, what's taking so long, what's happening? What will 331 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: it reveal to Mike mheugh, reporter joining us there from 332 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Daily News. Mike mckugh, this has correct whole 333 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: thing wide open. What have you just learned? Well, we 334 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: learned that the cause of death, what what took young 335 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: Mariah Um life was chloroform toxicity and UM. This came 336 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: out in the warrants that were served to Earl Earl 337 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: Kimmery his aggrest lawrants UH. In addition to the murder charge, 338 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: he was then charged as well with um child child 339 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: abuse and slicking serious injury, and in that it read 340 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: that he did intentionally inflick serious bodily injury chloroform toxicity 341 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: born Mariah kay Woods. I gotta tell you, Karen Stark 342 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: renounce psychologist joining me out of New York in a nutshell. 343 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: I'm blown away. I mean, this gets rid of any 344 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: suggestion that there had been an accident in the home 345 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: and they were afraid, and that they got rid of 346 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: the body, which to me, is completely far fetched. If 347 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: there's an accident, you call nine one one, Karen Start, 348 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: You lived through it with me when my son John 349 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: David had a horrific blow to the head. I don't 350 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: know how I picked him up. I don't know how 351 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: I did it, and climbed for four flights of steps 352 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: with him in my arms, with me screaming, did somebody 353 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: go get my car? I don't have time for an ambulance. 354 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: Even I didn't go drag his body off and and 355 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: hide it for Pete's sake. But I mean, I my 356 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: mind was open to entertain there had been some freak 357 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: accident and they were afraid they'd lose custody. Blah blah blah. 358 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: My mind was open. But this rules any possibility of 359 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: an accident out chloroform, Karen Starting, that's premeditated. And it 360 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: also this what we've learned now that there was a 361 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: little boy, her brother who actually is reporting that there 362 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: was abuse of this little girl. And then you start 363 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: to think, man, what was going on in this household? 364 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: Where was the mother? How much did she need to 365 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: be with this boyfriend that she was allowing this or 366 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: aware of this and doing nothing about it. Straight back 367 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: to Mike McHugh. Also joining me is Joe Scott Morgan, 368 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: forensics expert Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University. To Joseph 369 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, explain to me the whole chloroform. I mean 370 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: it brings to mine top mom, Casey Anthony, who had 371 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: been searching how to make homemade chloroform, and we find 372 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: traces of chloroform substance, you know, related to little Kelley's death. 373 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: What is chloroform? I always call it the knockout drug, 374 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: but it's not to be confused with gamma hi joxy 375 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: beauty rate, the date rape drug. Talk to me about chloroform. 376 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: School me, Joe Scott Morgan in words, regular people like 377 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: me can understand. Joe Scott, don't go all war for on, 378 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: you know the technical lingo go, well, you're right, it's 379 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: not GHB nancy. Chloroform has got a long history and 380 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: I won't go into every bit of it, but just 381 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: suffice it to say that when it was initially synthesized 382 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: back in the early eight hundreds, people saw it as 383 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: a way to use for anesthesia. But then one of 384 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: the things they discovered with development of ether was that 385 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: chloroform was highly unstable and it could be volatile for 386 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: one and secondly, it could be highly toxic. That's what 387 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: we have in this case and what it had. What 388 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: happens is is that it's not something you can just 389 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: run out to the store and buy. Uh. Certain people 390 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: have the ability to buy it, but it can, like 391 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: you mentioned, it can be uh produced or synthesized at home, 392 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: but you have to have the ability to do this 393 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: and the knowledge to do it. Um. How does it 394 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: affect a person? Well, UH, I'll tell yeah, um it 395 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: it has a direct impact on UM on the nervous system. 396 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: It also causes your liver uh to shut down, which 397 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: is called hepatic failure. UH. And it also causes the 398 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: kidneys UM to to shut down. And one of the 399 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: things that keeps us kind of moving and grooving in 400 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: this life and and gives us life is the substance 401 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: of potassium. And it blocks the uptake of potassium that 402 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: causes the kid needs to shut down. It's highly toxic 403 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 1: even in small doses. And I can imagine whoever ad 404 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: ministered this to her has no clinical background. We'll just 405 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: go ahead and say that UM and doesn't understand how 406 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: it is it ministered um and it goes to what 407 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: Karen and you were talking about just a second ago. 408 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: To me, I like to use two words specific intent. 409 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: Why are you going to apply chloroform to a small child? 410 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: Not even me? Up? Okay, as you're sitting here talking 411 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: and all of your lingo that you lost me. After 412 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: about fifteen seconds, I said, how do you make chloroform? 413 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened after that. That's the 414 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: last thing I remember. I blacked out on about your 415 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: third sentence. So I went to Google, and of course 416 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: first I put how to make sh and he came 417 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: up chilly. Okay, that was my obviously my last search. 418 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: Now I got to chloroform, Joseph Scott Morgan. They even 419 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: have little tutorial videos. Look Jackie, how to make chloroform, 420 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: and they've got a big thing of bleach right there. 421 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: I actually, here's how to make chloroform at home. You 422 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: know what, if somebody got ahold of my iPhone, they'd 423 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: think I was the next top mom. How do you 424 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: make chloroform at home? Why would anybody be looking at it? 425 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: I've said that a million times. Why would you look 426 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: that up? And here I am looking it up. You 427 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: have proceeded by using the holiform reaction of bleach and acetone. 428 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: What do I need to make to this? What are 429 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: my ingredients? Not that I want to help anybody out, 430 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: but how do you make it? What? What goes into it? 431 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: Well that's one of the things I was trying to 432 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: avoid that, but yeah, it does require bleach. You can 433 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: use common household bleach in order to floor form in 434 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: a spray bottle is quite flammable. Can you just answer simply? 435 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: This is now my fourth time asking you how do 436 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: I make chloroform at home? Obviously I need bleach because 437 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: I can see that picture. Oh it's making me go 438 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: so to another a super secret website. Okay, I'm gonna 439 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: keep going continue with Google. So how do I make it? 440 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: Is Google gonna beat you? Or do you know the answer? No, 441 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: I'll let you go ahead and run with Google. Okay, Okay, 442 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: stop everything because I've got to actually look it up. Now. 443 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: What you need is acid tone and a gallon of 444 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: six percent sodium hodge chloride bleach. I guess that is 445 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: just very simply bleach that you use um with your laundry. 446 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: Poor bleach and a large glass container. So you can 447 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: see it and then you add in the acetone. I 448 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: think it's just as simple as that. Um, so tell 449 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: me Joe Scott Morgan in regular people talk, Please you 450 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: make the chloroform out of bleach and acetone, and then 451 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: how would we find it? If it's breathable, if it 452 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: was held over, Mariah would say nose and mouth in 453 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: order to knock her out two potentially, I guess, assault her. 454 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: How do you find that post mortem? How does that 455 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: display or manifest in a dead body? Uh? Yeah, that's 456 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: why it's taking the toxicology to come back for so long. 457 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: Remember her body was found back in early December. This 458 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: is chloroform is not something that you're going to look 459 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: for on a standard panel, uh, toxicology panel. So what 460 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do is, particularly considering that her 461 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: little body was decomposing at this point in time, this 462 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: is going to be totally reliant upon tissue samples. So 463 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: they will go and take samples from the lungs and 464 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: other tissues that are still viable in the body. And 465 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: when I say viable, I mean like that can be examined, 466 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: um even after this period of time, and look for 467 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: traces of it. In there, and that's why it's taken 468 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: so very long in order to get the toxic college back. 469 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: One of the things that people have to understand. Chloroform 470 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: is a naturally occurring substance. It's given off in plant life. 471 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: Even you can find it in seaweed, you can find 472 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: it in fungus, all these things that are in the 473 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: organic world, you can find it. So when they're when 474 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: they're doing the examination in the laboratory, they have to 475 00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: account for the natural occurrence of chloroform in nature as opposed. Okay, 476 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: just stop right there. A three year old little girl 477 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: at asleep at night with her mom and dad is 478 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: not going to be out in healing chloroform from plants 479 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: to the extent that she dies. That's not That's not 480 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what it stars environment. And she's 481 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: decomposing in this environment, which is a watery environment with 482 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: fungus and moss and all these other things, and you 483 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: have to account for that when you're doing the examination postmortem. 484 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: So they have to delineate between us two. That's why 485 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: it takes along to get these examinations back from the 486 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: State Crime Lab. And they want to make sure that 487 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: every dot and tittle is covered in this before they 488 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: come forward with this information. That's why it's taken so long, 489 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: so the amount used ends up killing her. To Mike Mhugh, 490 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: our reporter joining us with the Jacksonville Daily News with 491 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: this latest discovery, is this the co d cause of death? 492 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: Is it chloroform death? Or was she strangled? Or what 493 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: might make you well? I think I think this last 494 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: conversation is going through the supposition that the chloroform was 495 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: applied to the child's face. Um, could it not be 496 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: that the child was in an environment where chloroform was present? Perhaps, um, 497 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: some illicit activity like we have in this area. We 498 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: have meth amphetamine labs and if you look at meth 499 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: what would chloroform do be doing in a metham I 500 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: think it's used well, it could very well be a 501 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 1: bi product or an agent to purify take out contaminants 502 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: of meth amphetamines. Let me efinitly definitely throw this into 503 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: the mix and then and then we can we can 504 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: talk about it. When I arrived out at the scene, again, 505 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: it was around eleven thirty on Monday morning. She had 506 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: been reported missing for several hours. I walked down to 507 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: the home itself. It was roped off with crime scene tape. 508 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: But what I noticed were three investments I'm sorry to 509 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: investigators in white has at suits topped the bottom, crawling 510 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: underneath the home what would be the kitchen area, which 511 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: was in the rear portion of the home. UM, they 512 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: would emerge from the house, they would go back under. 513 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: They did this for two days and I asked, I said, 514 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: why are they there? Why are they in that that 515 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: type of suit? And UM, they would tell me that 516 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: they were there looking for UM, they were inspecting the house. 517 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: They were trying to preserve the crime scene and if 518 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: they came in contact with any evidence, that's why they 519 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: were in the hazmat suits. I've seen when the SBI 520 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: that's the State year of Investigation, UM investigates and and 521 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: bus study in mess lab they wear the similar They 522 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: were similar outfits. I'm making a stretch. But you know, 523 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: when I read when I saw the report yesterday in 524 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: Chlorison thought it started started to connect some of the 525 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: dots that I had seen early on in the investigation. 526 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: And let me just say this, this, this this stays 527 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: with me. It'll stay with me till the day I died. 528 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: I was standing next to Mariah's home the afternoon of 529 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: her disappearance, and I was talking with a woman who 530 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: is the preacher's wife there of their church. And Ann 531 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: Edwards would drive Mariah to Chapel Hill for her medical treatments. 532 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: Never the child had ambulatory issues with her legs, so 533 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: she would make the three hour trek up to Chapel 534 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: Hill in North Carolina with the child, just her and 535 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: the child. The family. The mother trusted her with that 536 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: that trip, and so she would do this. I said 537 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: to Anne, I said, trying to get an idea of 538 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: the layout of the home. I said, where was Mariah's bedroom? 539 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: And she's hearing Mike, I don't know. I said, what 540 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: do you mean you don't know? You pick up the child, 541 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: you take her to Chapel Hill, you bring her back home. 542 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: I've never been allowed inside the home. Earl always meets 543 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 1: me at the door, she hands he hands off Mariah 544 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: to me. When I returned, I give him back. I 545 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: have never seen the inside of the home. They moved 546 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: in that home in August. 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That leads me to the question 576 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: of the mother. How could she not know what was 577 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: going on in the home? Mike meet Hugh, what do 578 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: we know about possible charges on Christie Woods? Well, it's uh. 579 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: In the press conference held yesterday after him Mary's first appearance, 580 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: UM Sheriff Fons Miller came out and he was asked 581 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: that question and right at the moment, there's no probable 582 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 1: cause uh to pursue charges UM on anybody in the case. 583 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: But that has been the resounding question throughout the community, UM, 584 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: both you know, with citizens and in the in the 585 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: courthouse and uh where everywhere you go in town. The 586 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: mother had to know. This story exploded in this community. 587 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: We hadn't seen a story like this since ten years 588 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: ago when Caesar Laurien uh killed Maria lauterback in his garage, 589 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: and that there was the same question that was floated 590 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: around then Christina Laurien, the wife of Caesar, had to 591 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: have known that this went on in the house, and 592 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: that same echo, that same lyric is playing through the 593 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: community today, saying Christie had to know she was in 594 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: the house at the time. Again, this is not a 595 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: large dwelling with neighbors on either side, separated um by 596 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: about thirty feet of grass, no foliage or trees, neighbors, 597 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: see neighbors and um, it's just hard, It's just hard 598 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: to fathom that something like this could happen with not 599 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: um with not all the occupants in the house not 600 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: knowing what was going down. Think so, the two lines 601 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: of reasoning to forensics expert jose Scott Morgan are that 602 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,959 Speaker 1: chloroform was some byproduct of a drug or drug manufacturer 603 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: in the home, or chloroform was used intentionally on this 604 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,959 Speaker 1: child to knock her out. Now it seems more likely 605 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: to me that if the degree of chloroform is so 606 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: much that it's found in the lung tissue, that it 607 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: was inhaled directly. My question, do you, Joe Scott Morgan, 608 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: don't you remember when the father, the biological father, Alex 609 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: Woods told us and I believe it's in the defects 610 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: documents as well, that the mom knew what was going 611 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: on in the home at the very least that amounts 612 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: to child abuse or neglect that resulted in death. Joe 613 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Yeah, she was exposed. If this poor little 614 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: child was exposed to this over an expended here and 615 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: ext period of time. But as an investigator, I'm gonna say, so, 616 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: you're telling me you put the kid to bed and 617 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: you suddenly arose in the middle of the night and 618 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: you discovered that she passed away as a result of 619 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, exposure to some kind of hazardous material. 620 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: Now I'm leaning more towards this idea that it was 621 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: directly applied. And also it does not it does not 622 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: have to specifically be inhaled. It can also be ingested 623 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: through the mouth, so it could be mixed with something. 624 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: It's highly toxic, so you would have to pick it 625 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: up in the lungs. You could also pick it up 626 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: in the lining of the esophagus in the stomach. But 627 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: it's going to take time, as I had previously stated, 628 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: So let me just say it's my firmly there's no 629 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: coincidence in criminal law. So what you guys are trying 630 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: to tell me, and I am rejecting it. That the 631 00:40:54,040 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: fact that the living Camery allegedly sexually abused Babe Mariah 632 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: and her two younger brothers were abused, according to police, 633 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: by hitting them with a belt, causing a bloody nose 634 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: to one of them. According to court documents provided by 635 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: Alex Woods, one of the boys tell investigator they saw 636 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:27,280 Speaker 1: Camery sex abusing baby Maria, and I'm quoting the mother 637 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: knew about the alleged abuse and Camray's drug problem, so 638 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: that right there is a felony murder. To me, you 639 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: neglect or abuse your child in a felony way, allowing 640 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: your child to be exposed to sex abuse and drug 641 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: abuse and bloody noses and beating with belts and then 642 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: a child dies. Yeah, that's a felony. And I don't understand, 643 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: Mike Mhugh, Why there are not charges against the mother. 644 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: You're telling me she's cooperating. Do I care? No, I 645 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: don't care, because you could take this case to a 646 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: jury right now and get a murder case on both 647 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: of them. Why do we need her to operating? Why 648 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: aren't there charges on mommy? What mom is gonna walk 649 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: Scott free? On this WEEKQ. If it gets a question 650 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 1: that's asked every time that I'm in front of Sheriff 651 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: Hans Miller or a district attorney Ernie Lee, and they 652 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: reply they send back to us or safe back to me, 653 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: is that we have one chance to get it right. 654 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: We want to make sure we have everything in place 655 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: before we move forward with charges. It's an ongoing investigation. 656 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: It's the same reply that we get there playing their 657 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: cards very close to the vest. Uh. This district attorney 658 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: has been prosecuting for more than thirty years. He's a 659 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: d A for the past eight Um, he knows, he 660 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 1: knows the game. Sheriff Hans Miller is a much different 661 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: sheriff and the sheriff that you spoke to Nancy ten 662 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: years ago, Ed Brown. Uh in the Lorian case. He's 663 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 1: a forensic cop. Um, he's a tech geek. UM. He's 664 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 1: a former SBI investigator. She's done these cases before. Um. 665 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: They're playing their cards real close to the vest. I 666 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: appreciate that. I do, I really do. I'm not being sarcastic, 667 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: but I tell you what it would be a cold 668 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,919 Speaker 1: day in h E double l that if I had 669 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: to drive the taxi myself. I would take this mom 670 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,439 Speaker 1: straight down to hill if she knew what was going 671 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 1: on in that house. And these children say that she 672 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: did no. All right, So this child, this three year 673 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: old baby, was exposed to sex abuse, to drugs, to 674 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: her brother's being beat with a belt and a bloody nose, 675 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: and now she ends up dead in oh now granted, 676 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morrigan, Karen Starn't you know me well? I 677 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: have argued to many a jury that sometimes you gotta 678 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: go to hell to get the witnesses to put the 679 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: devil in jail. All right, But I would not enlist 680 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: builds abub I absolutely would not. I would lose before 681 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,439 Speaker 1: I would let the mom walk after what this child 682 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: went through. Karen Stark, can somebody throw me a bone 683 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake? This little girl, according to her own 684 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,439 Speaker 1: blood brothers, was sexually abused at a before age three, 685 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: age three and under sex abuse? Help me? Karen? Am 686 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: I the only? Am I? What? Am I? The only 687 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: lone voice in the wilderness? If the mom knew that 688 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: she should have gotten that b live in out of 689 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: the house with a butt full of butt shot, there's 690 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: no doubt that she should have met you. But how 691 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: many times have we been up against these kind of 692 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: cases where the moms know and they don't do anything 693 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: about it. They are so desperate to be with the 694 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: person and that they're with that they are willing to 695 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: give up their children in order to keep the relationship. 696 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: And it's not anything that makes logical sense, but there's 697 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: that emotional connection that you can do nothing about in 698 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: these cases where the children do not come first. And 699 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: what I'm wondering about right now with what you're saying, 700 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: is will she eventually be you know, the considered a 701 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: part of this, and they are just saying that she's 702 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 1: cooperating because they want more details on what exactly happens. 703 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that she's going to walk away. That 704 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. I could chew and 705 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: nail in half, okay, Mike me Hugh. I know that 706 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 1: you are not personally responsible for this, okay, but you 707 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 1: are the bearer of bad news. But for all I know, 708 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: they could have a d ill in the works with 709 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: her for a more lenient sentence, not life plus life 710 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:11,399 Speaker 1: plus life if she cooperates. But I just alan deep, 711 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: I know you're there in the background, lurking and listening. 712 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,879 Speaker 1: Do you remember when you and I talked to the dad, 713 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: Alex Woods, and he told us that he believed the 714 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: mom knew about the abuse. Do you remember that? I 715 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: remember it too. I just don't see how this cannot 716 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: be a charge on her now, Joe Scott Morgan, I 717 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: keep asking you, begging you to dummy down for me, 718 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: but let me try it one more time. Joseph Scott Morgan, 719 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: how are the ways I'm understanding? You're saying there's two 720 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: ways that chloroform can appear in a child's dead body, 721 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: in the tissue. And you were saying by direct annhalation, 722 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: such as someone holding it over her nose on mouth, 723 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: like in what the State said in taught Mom. Or 724 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: did you say appearing naturally? Because I find that pretty 725 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 1: hard to believe you sucking enough chloroform you die naturally. Know? 726 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,880 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is is that it occurs. It's a 727 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: naturally occurring organic compound in nature. It's given off by 728 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: by moss, fun guy all other things. And okay, you 729 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: suggesting Mariah was out on the nature walk that night 730 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 1: at midnight and she sucked in some chloroform from a 731 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: fun guy I a mushroom. Okay, so what do you 732 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: That's what I say, talk regular talk. How else could 733 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: she have it in her lung tissue? Well she if 734 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: it's in her lung tissue. What I'm saying is just 735 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: as I had previously stated, that fought at all calm 736 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: to make me sound crazy. Okay, I know you're game, 737 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:04,319 Speaker 1: Joe Scott that you how could she get her body? Uh? 738 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: It would most likely, as far as I'm concerned, it 739 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,919 Speaker 1: would be through uh inhalation. You get me through all 740 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: this when at the very beginning I said, somebody held 741 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: it over her mouth and knows I E. Camery, not 742 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 1: somebody Camry. And now you start talking about funguses and 743 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: naturally appearing and all that, you believe she inheld it directly. 744 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 1: I believe that that's a possibility. Yes, I'm taking you 745 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: to the wodshet if I can only get my hands 746 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: on you, Mike McHugh Reportered jacksonvill Dealing, send you. I'll 747 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:43,840 Speaker 1: send you my address where you live. Mike. What's happening now? Please? 748 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: What's happening now? Because I Am not going to be 749 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: able to put my head on the pillow knowing that 750 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:54,359 Speaker 1: the mom allegedly allowed her taught to live this way, 751 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: and now the baby is dead, and because she starts 752 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: gabbing to Lace, she's gonna walk scott free. The as 753 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: what the District Attorney and the Sheriff's office continues to report, 754 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,359 Speaker 1: it's an ongoing investigation. But in the meantime, with Mr 755 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: Kimriy housed in the Anslo County Jail under no bond um, 756 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: the district attorney told me yesterday that he's going to 757 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: try to get him into the grand jury, UH February 758 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,879 Speaker 1: that's the next time they convene here. And then once 759 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: they come out of the grand jury, if they have 760 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 1: an indictment, which they should have an indictment, UH, they 761 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: have a small window for a rule twenty four hearing 762 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 1: uh to see whether or not they proceed with capital charges. Um. 763 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: And you know how that works. Um it's I think 764 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: I believe a ten day window after the indictment are 765 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,640 Speaker 1: handed down that they go to that process. On Mr 766 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: Kimery's front, Uh, he also has a court date of 767 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: April second for the first charges leveled against him on 768 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 1: December one, and that was the felony disposing of a 769 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: body that died upon natural causes. Uh, that's set the 770 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,240 Speaker 1: wheels in motion for the discovery of the body following 771 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 1: in in December two. So he's got a busy winter 772 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: and spring ahead of him. And in the meantime, Christie 773 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,320 Speaker 1: Woods is free and she is in the somewhere in 774 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: the Oslo community. We're not certain where. Um. We do 775 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: believe that the home in which this all occurred, she 776 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,880 Speaker 1: is no longer residing there. I was out front of 777 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: the home several times UM in the ensuing days after 778 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: the discovery of the body, and Christie would come by 779 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: the home, dropped in for maybe ten minutes or stone, 780 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 1: pick up items, and leave, usually driven by somebody else. 781 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,360 Speaker 1: And I would approach the vehicle in which she arrived 782 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: and uh, they would have no comment. They'd roll the 783 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: windows up, tell me to scram off the property. So 784 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: I would go across the street and observed. But she 785 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,239 Speaker 1: she would walk out of the house, hands over her 786 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,840 Speaker 1: head and put her hoodie pulled over her face, and 787 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: she would go back into the vehicle and which she arrived, 788 00:50:53,800 --> 00:51:01,919 Speaker 1: and they would drive off. The tragic said held, Ah, 789 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: he is held. I'm actually parked outside the shadow of 790 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: I'm in the shadow of the jail. He's in the 791 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,799 Speaker 1: Onslo County Jail, which is in the Justice Complex where 792 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office is housed and the magistrate's office. It's 793 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: all in one square block at the a's across the street. 794 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,520 Speaker 1: The courts are just across the street. So that'sful jail house, 795 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: which is a far cry from the penitentiary. What do 796 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: we know about how he's being held? Is he in 797 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: a single cell? I'm not certain of the arrangement of 798 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 1: the cell though he is being um. It was mentioned 799 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,959 Speaker 1: yes then. I don't know the exact words that Sheriff 800 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: Hans Miller used, but that question was brought up in 801 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: the in the tendant presser yesterday about Mr Kimrie in 802 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: the jail. They're looking out for his safety as they 803 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,560 Speaker 1: do with all him. It's but um, he was pressed 804 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:59,080 Speaker 1: and the sheriff was why he was afforded more security. 805 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 1: And you remember or his first court appearance, Um, when 806 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: he appeared in court on the December in December four, 807 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 1: he came into the district court for first appearance wearing 808 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: underneath his orange jumpsuit a bullet resistant vest for his 809 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: own safety. The sheriff told us afterwards, we've never had 810 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,720 Speaker 1: incidence here in the courtrooms with any type of violence 811 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,680 Speaker 1: other than maybe a stuffle or two. But that was 812 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: that was very unusual out of the protocol of most 813 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,800 Speaker 1: first appearances. His first appearance yesterday, he appeared in the 814 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: same courtroom in the same jumpsuit, but without the body armor. 815 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if he is with a cell mate 816 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: to whom he may talk the Onslow County jail there 817 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, North Carolina with me on the Saint Mike mckugh, 818 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 1: reporter with the Jacksonville Daily News. UM, you're saying that 819 00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: right now, she the mother, is still walking free. Ste 820 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,759 Speaker 1: Woods is a free woman. She's walking the streets of 821 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: Johnsville County, Jacksonville, wherever she chooses to go. She is 822 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 1: not in custody. UM. As with sheriff os Miller said 823 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: yesterday in his press conference that she is cooperating and 824 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: she has cooperated throughout the ongoing investigation. That she is 825 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 1: I did not see this coming. A three year old 826 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,200 Speaker 1: taught girl found dead, faced down in a creek. The 827 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 1: timelines don't fit. We don't know what happened days past, 828 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 1: weeks past. They won't give us a cause of death. 829 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,000 Speaker 1: We speculated why, and now we know it was not 830 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: due to delay on their part. Very sensitive and complex 831 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,759 Speaker 1: testing was done on this child's lung tissue, and now 832 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: we know this little girl likely sex molested. This three 833 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:02,120 Speaker 1: year old taught dead of chloroform toxicity in her little body. 834 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,239 Speaker 1: Ed Kimbery being held Nancy Grace Crimbs Toyes signing off, 835 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: goodbye friend