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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Now a friend of the show is out here with us.

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Speaker 3: I'm really pumped the golf today with you to hang out.

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Speaker 3: We know this last twelve months justin we've been able

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Speaker 3: to kind of travel around a little bit together.

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Speaker 2: We have. It's been fun.

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Speaker 3: I h some of you know, not every trip is

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Speaker 3: enjoyable because sometimes I'm running around like crazy. But I

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Speaker 3: think every trip that I've been on with you, we've

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Speaker 3: had some good moments. And especially I think when I

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Speaker 3: look at Carmel, it was a trip that I actually

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Speaker 3: really enjoyed being on.

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Speaker 2: I did as well, Yeah, it was Uh. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I like that you guys do these because, like you

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Speaker 4: said last night, you know, obviously it's it's fun to

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Speaker 4: do the podcast and stuff like that, but it's it's

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Speaker 4: fun to spend time with people that you otherwise wouldn't

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Speaker 4: get to be around too much, just because geographically we're

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Speaker 4: all over the place, we're all so busy. So I

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Speaker 4: appreciate you guys putting these together so we uh get

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Speaker 4: a little bonding in.

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Speaker 2: So it was a good time.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's interesting that you say it because I

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Speaker 3: think when you first get off the show, it's almost

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Speaker 3: like feels like one more thing to do, mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Because and typically when you first get off of and

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Speaker 3: this is just something I've noticed over the years, the

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Speaker 3: Bachelor or the Bachelorette, Like your friends are very tight.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's hanging out all the time. You know, you're doing

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Speaker 3: the events together. Give it four years, five years, not

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Speaker 3: that the friendships have changed, but lives have changed and

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Speaker 3: you don't get around those people like you used to.

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Speaker 3: And I'm hoping like that's kind of the group when

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Speaker 3: we do, you know, bring people together that can come

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Speaker 3: back together at these things because you know what, like

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Speaker 3: you said, life moves on fast before you know, it's

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Speaker 3: been a year, two years since you've seen some of

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Speaker 3: these people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think it's actually interesting when you look

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Speaker 4: at those relationships because when you first come off the show,

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Speaker 4: it's like so fresh, and you guys have that shared

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Speaker 4: bond and experience, right, and then over time as your

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Speaker 4: life's move on, I think that that actually shows the

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Speaker 4: real relationships, right because it's like, you know, the guys

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Speaker 4: that I hang out with still, it's like now it's

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Speaker 4: not just a convenience as a choice to hang out

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Speaker 4: it's like you choose who you want to be around, right, So,

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Speaker 4: even the people that you only see a couple times

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Speaker 4: that are good company that you want to keep fostering

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Speaker 4: those relationships with, which I think is pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's been a lot of fun. And I

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Speaker 3: know life for you. So you're living in La. I

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Speaker 3: am any big updates outside of romance that we'll talk

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Speaker 3: you in La. I've been watching your social media. I

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Speaker 3: actually kind of I saw you do an ad with

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Speaker 3: it because I thought it was so good. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I said, look at this, this is like, this is

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Speaker 3: so funny. It's about the one that I just did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean it's been it's been amazing.

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Speaker 4: And I'm super grateful, unfortunate for a lot of the

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Speaker 4: opportunities that LA has presented me with. And I'm glad

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Speaker 4: that I did kind of take myself out of my

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Speaker 2: And make that move.

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Speaker 4: You know, you just you just get exposed to so

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Speaker 4: many different things that you don't get in other places. Right,

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Speaker 4: Like I love Baltimore. It's it's home. It's where my

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Speaker 4: these ads, like I don't know, I always try to

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Speaker 4: It's just like You've got so many talented videographers and

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Speaker 3: And I don't just say this to like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm curious and I don't know how to ask this

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Speaker 3: But like is this something let's say ten years from that. Right,

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Speaker 3: maybe you aren't getting the deals that you're getting today,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I definitely my plan is to not be

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, No, I have a lot of other

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Speaker 2: Oh you always have.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so this is just like fun stuff right now.

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Speaker 4: I'm always thinking three steps ahead. Been But you know,

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Speaker 4: it's funny, that's very timely for you to ask, because

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Speaker 4: I have been having conversations recently with several people about

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Speaker 4: are like, hey, we love like the skits and ads

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Speaker 4: Like is this something you'd be interested in kind of

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Speaker 4: working with us on and you know, we have people

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Speaker 4: I think that that's something that I could see myself

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why. That's why I look on your social

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. It's always so good. Now.

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Speaker 3: I think a year ago when we were together, this

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Speaker 2: Still in finance, in finance. Are you no longer doing that? Correct? Okay? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: when did you make that switch? Oh? Was I still

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Speaker 4: So shortly after moving to LA. Actually, I made that

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Speaker 4: And you know, I've always kind of been a right brain,

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Speaker 2: So I had to just knowing some other things that

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Speaker 4: my creative and I mean it has paid dividends again

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Speaker 2: It is hard to do both too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, for a period of my life, I

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Speaker 3: And and just on these trips, and I mean obviously

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Speaker 4: Is yeah, And I mean I understand, you know, people

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Speaker 4: this stuff is hard, right, So it's not you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, we still have a ton of love for

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Speaker 2: We you know, we're on great terms.

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Speaker 4: We still we still talk and are in communication and

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Speaker 4: like I said, still prioritizing each other, ourselves, our relationship,

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Speaker 3: Don't want to dive too deep in this because I

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Speaker 3: do want to respect that and having a public relationship

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Speaker 3: is difficult. As you said, there is a balance. You

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Speaker 3: two aren't together at this point. So now looking back

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Speaker 3: Does it now feel like there's too much pressure on

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly no, right, Like we.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was my first time navigating a public relationship,

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Speaker 2: Right, there's comments all the time like what happened? What happened?

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Speaker 4: You have to tell us like no I don't and

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Speaker 4: no she doesn't. Right, So that doesn't really affect me.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that there's anything that I would do

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Speaker 4: I'm sure people will catch on eventually, and then you know,

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Speaker 4: when we're ready to talk about it, that's what we'll do.

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Speaker 4: And we were on the same page about when we

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Speaker 4: I don't want to put any limits on myself and

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Speaker 2: Man, I don't know. We'll say.

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Speaker 3: One of the things when I had my public breakup

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Speaker 3: to like separate however you need to do it, you know,

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Speaker 3: but when it's public, you do get the comments, you do,

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Speaker 3: how do you emotionally manage that that? Like being reminded

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Speaker 4: It's tough because you know, like I'll post something and

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Speaker 2: We miss you guys's content together, like what happened? What happened?

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Speaker 4: It's just like, I mean, I ignore them, but it's like,

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Speaker 4: like you just like this constant reminder and I don't

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Speaker 2: And there are people that have some sense that'll come back.

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Speaker 4: And just be like, hey, let them handle how they

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Speaker 4: I mean. So again I get it because it was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. It was hard for me, it was really,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and I think you just nailed it. I

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Speaker 3: they see it and for them, you know, they don't

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Speaker 3: I'm good, like I've learned how to push this aside

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Speaker 3: see this like any other situation, be like I'm worried

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And I mean, unfortunately there hasn't been too

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Speaker 4: times in public relationships, people think like, oh, who did

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Speaker 4: And it's like it doesn't have to be that way,

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Speaker 4: Like there has doesn't have to be a good guy

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Speaker 4: I don't care, Like I like, I know.

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Speaker 2: What's like, I know what's up. Susie knows what's up,

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Speaker 4: Like we're good, right, And again like it's more so

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Speaker 4: so of course she's gonna be super protective. And it's

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Speaker 4: just I'm like, mom, stay out the comments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like but she can't.

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Speaker 3: I can, and you're not alone, and that we all

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Speaker 3: they do care, I know. I mean, I think to

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Speaker 3: sum this all up, the question that does matter, and

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Speaker 3: I think the question that people should be asking, and

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably the question they want to ask,

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Speaker 3: they're just not knowing how to do it well, is

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Speaker 3: like how are you as a human and as a person,

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Speaker 3: how are you doing.

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: It's really tough man, Uh sorry, sorta good. I think.

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Speaker 3: You're a good man, and I appreciate you being out here.

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Speaker 3: I hope it's a lot of fun today. And when

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Speaker 3: you're ready to answer that question, I can't wait to

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Speaker 3: have you back here.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you.

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