WEBVTT - Greta Gerwig's Drag Race (feat. Hari Nef) 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:11.719 You are a mysterious woman, elusive, and you're also she's 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:18.320 she any not me, not on my mate? Yo, yo yo, 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:27.920 what is your child mother? Yo's going down the stoor 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:41.600 like Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.879 give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes, I'm ros Damo and 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:50.680 I'm Fran Toronto and versions. If you haven't yet, you 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:55.040 need to take out your little smartphone right now, right now, 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.480 pull up your you know, web browser of choice and 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.880 go to Paige Treon dot com slash Like a Virgin 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:07.520 to become a patron a found to become a founding 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:14.280 patron and get weakly exclusive bonus episodes. 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I mean, honestly, virgins, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.240 if you want a crowdsource and and give us feedback 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.120 on the merch like an item you want, we're already 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:48.320 seeing some cool suggestions. And also, if you're a Patreon subscriber, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.919 you are welcome to tell us what you want to 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.200 hear from our Patreon. You cannot tell us what you 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.840 want to hear if you don't subscribe. Once you get on, 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.639 you get absolutely no. Once you get on, you can 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.400 tell us what's missing. Um, yeah, that's that's something we're 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.400 going to figure out. Um. Down the road is like, 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.120 you know, a lot of Patreon people are like on 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.520 Discord or whatever, and like we're just we're just not 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.160 going to do that. But we we we talked to 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.880 the people at Patreon. They were like, um, are you 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:19.720 interested in you know, Discord, And we were like, no, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.200 heart emoji, yeah, I'm good, love and enjoy. Um. We 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.000 do want to engage with you, though, and we want 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.359 to find a way to do that in a cool 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:32.760 social chatty way. And so you know, we're developing that 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.480 as we go. But Discord, it's gonna be a no 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.480 from me, dog, It's gonna be a no no no 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.400 no no no no no no no wait. How does 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.840 jesse j do it? No no no no no no 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.760 no no no no. I can't I can't do it. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.360 No one can do it. But um, we also have 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.320 to acknowledge what you heard just before we started talking 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:55.560 was a brand new theme song, which was is song 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.280 of the Summer, iconic. It absolutely song of the Summer. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.880 We have already submitted it to the Grammys, to the 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:09.440 Recording Academy, and um, it's gonna win rock the vote. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.400 Life Marks did say we're going to EGA and that 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.000 will be the gum. Well she said we were going 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.440 to win an Oscar and I said, oh, right, right right, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.479 you're all that you will, but that's because you're about 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:22.039 those stretch goals, you know. Yes. And also Katie from 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:26.919 Muna said that she would absolutely read the romance novel 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.400 you know of the cover of our new show art 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.800 and I told her she should also write a song 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.480 for the adaptation of the like a Virgin romance novel. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.039 My jaws dropped because like all of the ideas were 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.000 just flowing through my head. First of all, we just 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.440 need a virgin to write that fan fiction. So like, 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.479 if you want to take this, I mean you have 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.520 I you of my concept and the virgins are clearly 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.480 interested in this concept because I'll okay, we'll give you 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.840 a little tease on something that you hear on Patreon. 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:59.640 We had a question about um fran and I's possibly 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:05.200 overlapping ven diagram sexual history right, and um, we won't 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.800 be spilling any details there. Those are Paywald but if 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.320 you want to hear if fran and I are you know, 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.600 sister wives or just wives? Yea you Patreon dot com 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.480 slash like a virgin. Yes, but if you want a 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.719 ghost write this novella, we're here for it, Katie. If 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.560 you want to write an original song for the like 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.400 a virgin pulp fiction lesbian romance, we I mean, that's 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.520 right up your alley. That's truly like, that is muna, 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.480 that is something. Can you imagine us? Can you imagine 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.720 us doing a love scene in a film? I can, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.720 because obviously we would play ourselves. Yeah, we would play ourselves. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.440 Although you know, according to gen Z, I don't know 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:48.000 if you're aware of all this gen Z like puritine discourse, 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:54.000 they want all sex scenes banned from film? What then? Yes, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.920 so Z has gen Z has decided that, um, it's 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.960 a weird and grow to simulate sex in film at 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:08.440 all times a like period, and that there should only 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.040 be sort of you know, fade to Black PG thirteen 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.640 love scenes and no sex should take place ever. And 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.960 if you're interested in seeing that, you're a perv. Yeah, 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.040 I mean that's stupid. Obviously, I also like very stupid. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.480 You and I are very like we resist a lot 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.599 of gen Z bashing on this podcast sometimes because it 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.039 just like ages us so hard. So I will say, 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.280 like some of jay Z, I'm sure there are a 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.920 lot of slutty jay Z people out there, jay Z 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.040 slutty gen Z jay Z slutty gen Z folks out there, 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.080 and they're probably listening to this podcast. But like, listen, girls, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.839 if you are a member of Generation Z and you 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.760 don't Generation Z, as British people would yes Generations said, 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.240 if you don't think that we should be having sex 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.760 scenes and films and TV shows like it's just your 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.279 light year life, your prudishness is going to have such 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:04.600 a rude awakening when you enter the world because like, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.800 we're all out here fucking and doing drugs like that's 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.840 we are all fucking and sucking, fucking sing and except 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.680 very sexual people and people that tend to have prudish 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.120 ideas about sex are usually people that aren't having a 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.360 ton of search. I'm not gonna joy And I feel 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.040 like I, as someone who was extremely prudish when I 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.280 was young, definitely had a bit of a culture shock 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.840 when I, you know, entered gay World and then later 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.320 on trans World and I'm like, oh, like, there's no 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.080 room for being a prude here, Like you don't have 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:39.360 to be a big old, come guzzling slut. Yes, And 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.280 I just want to say to me, it does not 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.440 there does not seem to be a huge leap and 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.280 ideology from there should be no sex scenes in movies too, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.720 there should be no drag queen story hours. Like just 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.120 kind of think about which side of history you're trying 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:58.520 to be on me very very flattening. It's very very unfun. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:03.280 It's just an unfun take, Isn't it crazy? How timely 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:07.400 this week's episode of Drag Race ended up being with 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.800 the drag loose of it all, like coming amidst you 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.040 know what felt, especially in the past like week or two, 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:20.080 the boiling point of all the conversations around drag and 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.560 you know, like legislation to criminalize it. I was shook. 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.880 I mean obviously, like we've been screaming about trans health 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:33.040 care for kids like for years and obviously this like 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.959 mainstream of attack on drag has been happening for a while. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.120 But yeah, it was like kind of crazy because the 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.520 boiling point where you know, Melissa McCarthy and all these 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.920 like you know, Padre Pascal. All these celebrities are posting 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.480 on it, like a few Sundays ago happening right in 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.480 tandem with this, like you know, PSA on drag Race 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.360 that they filmed what a year ago, year and a 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.040 half ago, Like that's I was. I was shook, but 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.720 I guess it's kind of also sad that message is 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:06.120 just always relevant, it is. I thought it was a 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:10.559 very good rusical. Yeah, I mean I usually love the rusicals, 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.080 and this was a standout. I don't necessarily think it 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.439 was a standout in terms of how it was performed, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.360 but the actual songs themselves. I mean it was no 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:27.640 all stars to iconic Queens through History moment, but it 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.720 was you know up there. Yeah, I felt the same. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.520 I definitely like there were some boring there were some 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.280 people that were like boring, but like I thought everyone 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.160 was great, Like I didn't think anybody was bad, And 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.280 I also felt, to be totally honest, like Selena Stitis 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.680 was amazing and added great, was like so good on 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.400 choreo and was really emotive in the rusical specifically, which 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.760 is why I'm like, where does the runway matter? Like 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.680 if it's like a bit of a wash on the rusical, 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.000 like let's incorporate Runway into this critique and it feel 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:02.079 like they're just like playing the producer game or whatever. 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.320 But did you see that video of Selena as Titti's 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:11.720 dragging Ross Matthews. I did, She's not wrong? Who who? 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:14.560 I think that a lot when I'm looking at you know, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.719 Carson Cressley and Ross Matthews, like literally, who are they 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.000 to be talking about what people wear? And and I 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.440 say this as like, I really love Selena as Titties. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.559 I thought I was so im I was rooting for 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.720 in the beginning, so happy with what she contributed to 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.840 the season. I really wish she was wearing something else 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.120 when she said that PSA because she like I was like, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.640 it's like you can't shout about fashion and like wear 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:42.720 this like busted channel knockoff that like doesn't fit you properly. Um, 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.680 but I I love And my favorite genre of content 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.679 is a queen, you know, slandering the show against their 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.480 nondisparagement agreements, like I'm thinking about have you seen that 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.840 video of Gia Gunn where she's like completely naked in 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.640 a gay bar and go, yeah, fucking miss RuPaul. Have 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:06.680 you seen that. Um, yes, so it's so good. Um 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.760 you were not happy with the Kate Bush lip sync though, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:17.400 I mean I wasn't either. I think Kate Bush should 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:22.119 storm into the studio and demand both of their heads 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.160 on a platter. Yeah, and then take a shit on 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:30.360 their into their skulls and set them on fire. If 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.840 you're got to give us Park and Bark, you gotta 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.079 give us emotion. You gotta give us like, uh, just 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.920 the thing that they constantly seemed to be forgetting, especially 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.160 Lucy Leduca, who you know I hate. Who I know 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:49.600 that you hate is that they're doing drag like you're 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.560 doing drag drag, Like, be a drag queen. Don't just 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:54.360 like your lip sync in your bedroom like I was 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:59.760 getting bedroom lip sync, Like, make a choice and make 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.320 it extreme. It's like the same thing with Lucy and 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.520 her fucking non existent Beyonce baby bump. I should be 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.400 able to see that baby bump from space. Yes, back, 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.040 you are a drag queen. I should be able to 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.760 see your Kate Bush lip sync from the back of 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:24.440 the club. Yeah. Agree. I mean it's hard, it's hard 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.560 to like, it's hard to root for Lucy when she's 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.400 like so like I'm the best time to shit, I 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.840 should be winning all these challenges and she's so not 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:36.120 like she is mediocre, like she Luck's new arms track, 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:45.440 Lucks the woman that you are. I this week she 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.440 made me follow her on Twitter. H it was fucking honestly, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.120 she is she a good Twitter follow have you have 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.800 you seen? I don't know, I haven't looked might but 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.880 I did follow. I did follow her. Um, she made 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.360 me watch on talked. I haven't done that all this season. Yeah, 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.880 you know what. It was kind of disappointing. It wasn't 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.040 as dramatic as I was hoping it would be. But 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:11.480 that was an iconic runway moments when she car no 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.240 reason when she went down the line complimented every girl 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:21.800 and then read Lucy Luduca to filth like she she 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:26.440 it's very law roach going. You ain't that? Oh God, 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.960 I'm like, okay, here's here's my honest thoughts on Lucy. 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.720 I I have a lot of empathy for the try 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.320 hard girls, right like she's getting a jan at it 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:41.480 and I have I personally identify with with the jan 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.960 at it and yeah, because you're because you're a little 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.480 bit of a jam. I love to try hard. It 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.840 is a terrible downfall of mine. It makes me look 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:50.559 like a loser a lot of the time. But like, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:55.200 why would we punish people for trying really hard? Lucy, Yeah, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.160 it's because it is fun and lux knows that. Um. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.439 But like Lucy, like in the the room, Phoebe coming 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.920 in the chat, you'd like to try hard? Accept an 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.360 acting class? Oh my god, shut the I was there 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:13.280 to observe. How dare you, Phoebe? Um. I have to say, Lucy, 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.480 like I was breaking my heart because like if I 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.240 was on drag race and these two girls are ganging 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.280 up on me because like look looks and what's her face? 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:25.280 We're ganging up on her very adamantly, and I, you know, 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.360 it did definitely. I was like, this isn't shade anymore. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.800 This is very personal. So if that happened to me, Rose, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.040 you know what would happen. I would bug out, Like 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.440 I would bug out because I'd be like, people don't 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.000 really been there. Yeah, exactly, I would bug out, would 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.800 be like people don't like me and I need to 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.920 freak out. But but on the flip side of this, 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.280 you can kind of smell when the other girls don't 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.640 like a certain girl, right, it doesn't matter how good 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.200 you are. How the other girls treat you in the 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.680 room gives us information for what kind of report you 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.280 were building with them while this show was being filmed. 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.520 And I don't know if there have been like solidarity 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.520 footpost for like Lucy, because I imagine she's getting tons 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.320 of hate, but I thought a lot, I mean not 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.560 to like deserved. Yeah, sure, I don't believe anybody deserves 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.080 hate online because you know, it's like so horrible. But 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:14.080 like shell work, bullying works, Lucy does have a loose 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.040 grip on reality. It reminded me a little bit of 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:22.200 Valentina because in her first season, but Valentina was thickening yes, yes, exactly, 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.280 um slightly well, Lucy had a lot of misses, but 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.480 like a lot of her drag, especially at the beginning, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.960 so polished, so good, the body was right like her, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.280 she'd classic drag and I think she looked so good. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.680 But like if although the girls don't like you, that's 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.200 saying something to me, And like Valentina, I stand the 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.760 whole season. And then I watched what happened in the 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.360 reunion and I was like, oh, the she the other 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.440 girls do not like her? The other she was like, 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.360 just she didn't build rapport. That's like community is so important, 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.160 that's what. Rapport is so important. Shade is so important 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.400 to like understand and balance And yeah, I don't know. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.200 You're right. Community is so important. Community is stories matter. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:10.680 Stories are so important. Storytelling is so powerful. Stories. Stories 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:18.000 are some of the most powerful stories that exist. Oh 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.640 my god, well, Um, with that, Rose, do you have 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.440 any thoughts ahead of our season two into like our 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:32.480 season two premier Season two premiere, Um sorr storring Harry enough, Yes, 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.240 Harry is of all the Diva dolls. She is definitely one, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:42.720 if not the og of generation. Harry is an actress, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:48.120 a girl about town, an it girl thinker. Truly you can. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.880 You can find that out on her letterbox Diva. Yes 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.760 she Oh, she is a cinophile and we are not, 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.360 and we, especially me, we are not. I don't quite 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.960 remember if she like schooled us in the cinephile region, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.920 but I definitely knew nothing about David Lynch and so 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.880 I'm glad we got into that. We as well as 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.480 sharing a lot more about the Barbie movie than I 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.120 thought she was going to just sick, yes, as well 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.159 as her love I think what Harry does very well 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:21.359 is a careful but also like Waka Doo, juxtaposition of 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.720 high brow and low brow is kind of Harry's whole stick, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:45.160 and she does it very well. I think probably all 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.359 of us moved to LA when we did, you know 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:53.080 for some kind of santasy of the Hollywood dream, which 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:58.159 in watching Mulholland Drive, I definitely like saw in the 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.119 fantasy and I did like I mean it was I 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:02.960 watched it for the first time last night. I'd never 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.280 seen it and like, I am like somewhat of a 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.800 David Lynch girl, like I do love Twin Peaks, but 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.199 it was just like a cultural blind spot for me 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:17.240 and I it's a weird It's a weird movie. Well, 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.720 speaking of Twin Peaks, did you know that Mulholland Drive 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.600 was originally supposed to be a television show? Yes? I 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.040 read something about that, but can you expand please? He 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.480 shot it to be in the wake of Twin Peaks's success. 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:40.960 This kind of like ABC souped up glamour version of 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:47.919 the David Lynch dark drama pretty Girl sensation, and he 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.000 screened it for the executives and they were like, no, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.800 Tino Shade, What the fuck is there? Yeah? And so 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.560 and this is what I love. He got Canal Plus 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:03.720 to finance the completion of Twin Peaks, I mean Mulholland 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:09.360 Drive as a film, which is like the French public Access. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.399 They fund a lot of French it's it's like a 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:17.200 French company. David got that, like Foreign Overseas Art House, 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:23.800 which in France was public Access coin to somehow complete 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.399 this black box or should I say blue box of 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:33.080 a pilot that he had constructed with the original intention 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.520 for it to go on and on and on. And 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.840 I think, which is so crazy to think about. Yeah, 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:43.000 and Lynch was creating, you know, he creates, and I 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.200 think he did this with Twin Peaks. So he creates. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.199 He sets up these narratives that he doesn't even know 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.119 where they're going. He has kind of a I guess, 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.280 a spidy sense of where it could go. He sets 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.320 up all the pieces, but like he doesn't know, like 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.679 who the killer is, he doesn't know whose dream it is, 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.760 He doesn't know. He doesn't know who killed Laura Palmer. 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.400 It's not about that. No, he didn't, and they forced 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:09.080 him to say who it was because that was the 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.800 demand of the TV audience. He didn't want to reveal that. Yeah, 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.480 and that's when the show becomes unwatchable is when you 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.919 know who the killer is. I mean, I guess that. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.439 Like it makes so much sense about Mulholland Drive because 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.960 watching it, it is so like it's like a series 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.760 of vignettes, even more than it is like a narrative film. 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.320 And I really liked you know, Okay, So I will 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:34.639 admit at first I was very bored watching it, and 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.399 I was and I was on my phone, and then 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.280 it really just started to draw me in and I 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.920 was so transfixed by it. And it is such an 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.040 LA movie, and I think, like that's such a like 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.320 almost boring thing to say, because like so many movies 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.280 are LA movies. But I don't know it like it 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:58.879 has this hypnotic thing that I think Hollywood definitely has. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.240 Hypnotic is very I think, kind of a Lynchian thing, 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:04.600 like there is something that kind of like grips you 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.680 into the work and then all of a sudden you're 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:08.960 just like, I have no idea what I'm watching a 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.439 lot of the time, but like I'm in this world 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.760 because it's so weird and you're trying to like figure 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.920 it out. What was your experience of like first watching 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.360 this movie, I guess, or why do you think it's 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:23.240 maybe a little bit emblematic of like who you are 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.600 or like what are you like to make? I think 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:30.880 what drew me into it was the way it felt 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.600 like a dream or a dream that I've had. It 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.679 has the logic of a dream, in the pacing of 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.240 a dream. I think that the is this boring? Oh wait, 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.200 now I'm like glued to the spot and I can't 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.359 look away. I think that's part and parcel to how 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:52.600 David Lynch deals with time. His beats do not go 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:57.760 snap aty snap snap snap. You know Aaron Sorkin like 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:02.159 dialogue moving it. It's there's very little sense of urgency. Yeah, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.680 it takes a long time for things to happen, but 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.760 you get the sense that something is happening with how 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:12.119 the camera moves and you know, with Angelo Battle Lamentes 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:18.760 score kind of like leading you down into this dream path. 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:24.359 And also even the way that it's scripted, the way 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:33.160 he arranges words and the way conversations are had, it's 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.960 not naturalistic. It's kind of like two people in two 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.840 different dreams trying to send each other the same message 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:46.159 or a different message, Like that scene when they're talking 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:51.160 in winkies in the diner in the daytime. There's that 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.679 like score in the background that lets you know something 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.040 bad is happening, but you're in this like pretty pink 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:01.879 diner and the sun is shining. I loved that juxtaposition 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:09.000 of the sunshine and I guess evil or or darkness daytime. 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.280 And I think that is that is so Los Angeles 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:16.280 as knowing that some of the ugliest, grossest, most evil 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:21.760 things are happening in the most brightly lit possible places. Yeah, 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:24.280 the whole movie. I feel like maybe a lot of 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.119 his work is just very like suspended ten, Like what 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:30.119 if suspended tension had like no payoff, you know what 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:32.680 I mean. You're really like on the edge of your 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:34.920 seat for kind of nothing a lot of the time. 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.959 And that is you know, part of the gag. But 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.240 I I mean, I I fell asleep. I will not 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.320 lie because this was last night and I am but 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:45.800 I but when as soon as she finds as soon 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.320 as she's like, you know, she's like Rita, your friend, Rita, 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.000 you know, And and she finds out that like Rita's not. 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.880 That's when I was just like, oh, I understand, kind 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.600 of like the people always say in Hollywood, They're like, 0:23:57.600 --> 0:23:59.920 what's the engine of this thing? Like, what's the engine? 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.720 And I feel like a lot of the movie was 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:07.240 like disinterested, I guess, in the engine and more interested 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:10.119 in like the characters and like the dream state of 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:14.040 it all and the vibe. Yeah about the vibes. Yeah, Well, 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:19.320 she names herself Rita after looking up at that poster 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:24.960 of Rita Hayworth and Gilda, which I also watched recently 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:29.199 for the first time, which is another movie about a 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.560 beautiful woman with great hair who is pretending to be 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:37.760 somebody she's not. So Lynch is kind of put in 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:41.440