WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Eyes On The Titans 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.280 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:16.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.520 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World hours at the 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:33.120 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brovis, Rob Phillips, 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:38.360 and Bill Jones. And finally it's a work week here 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:43.239 at the Star in Frisco. We've got dummies on the field. No, 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.720 the media is not on the field, and we're not 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.559 going live from the field. We have blocking dummies on 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.440 the field and they're gonna be outdoors today. And finally, 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:59.280 our long national nightmare of no Cowboys on a practice 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.160 field is over as of this morning, and this is 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.600 Talking Cowboys. We are now t minus what four days 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.959 away from finally playing a game. Your five day NFL 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:15.120 weekend starts tonight with an epic matchup San Francisco forty 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.080 nine Ers and the Oakland Raiders. At least both teams 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.160 don't have to travel very far. That's exactly right. Did 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.959 you hear who San Francisco might be starting at quarterback tonight? 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:29.240 You have any idea? Now, they're very educated people here, Okay, 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.840 you understand. I think feel like that. I don't know 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.399 that we know all the quarterbacks on all the teams 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.920 in the league, right, what's wrong with Bethard? Bethard's got 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.520 a shoulder. Yeah, okay, so I don't know who the 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.240 third quarolos out. I don't know who the third flows out. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:46.399 Did they get somebody off the street? They got someone 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:50.320 off their practice squad who is actually Gino Kramarzi, who's 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.840 actually been with the team just as long as C. J. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.800 Bethard has been with the team, which isn't all that long. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.360 But he was signed out of the same draft. Did 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.160 they trade for law Lada Kyle la Letta? He's got 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.240 his own issues in New York. They did sign Tom Savage, 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.040 but he's not the guy, and then they released him 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.880 on the Saturday before a game. But anyway, too much pride. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.880 He's out of Southern Miss. So Joe Trehan from Dallas 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:23.800 Cowboy Joe is Nick Mullins. Nick Mullins, who are you? Yeah? 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:28.400 Exactly good question. Garrison asked the question, who are you? 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.440 I looked at from Southern miss. I look at three 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:32.919 hundred players. I think I've seen Nick Mullins play. I 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.240 don't think I've evaluated Nick Mullins. So I've watched several 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.480 you know whose records he broke it Southern Miss Oh 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.240 Brett and Austin Davis. Austin Davis as well. There you go. 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:47.040 All right, so we're talking. You know, I probably will 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.880 I need to make different plans for tonight, I think. No, 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.760 I still I like watching. You can work now, you 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.320 can do something while you're watching. Yeah, it's just it's wallpaper. Yeah, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.440 you know, Troy, he's saying about getting this colum in 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.560 early on a Friday for eight pm. That'd be awesome 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:05.880 for me or Kurt or whoever has to read it. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:10.160 Say with Mick shots too, hurry up. Locker room didn't 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.640 open until four thirty. I know there was news I 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.000 got you. It was. It was insightful too, it was 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.440 that's what we're going to get to. First off. Oh well, 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.560 first off, I had the Halloween go for. Everybody didn't 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.560 hand out one bit of candy. And it wasn't the purpose. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.280 It wasn't a purpose. Light on. Oh no, Yeah, I 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.680 just live in a neighborhood with a bunch of old folks. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.680 That's the way it is. And so I'm okay with that. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.640 If everybody doesn't want to come around and get candy. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.360 I'm okay with that. I can't really see you being 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.560 the guy. Hey, what's uh? No, I like to see 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.560 the costumes? Yeah, I would. I like to see, you know, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.800 but I'm not. Oh and you know, Oh that's nice. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.520 Oh what are you? Oh? You know, I'd asked the 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:53.240 silly questions, but I justns passed it, so then it's 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.320 passed it. Yeah, he went to a party. I didn't 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.680 have to give him a ride home, which was a 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.520 good thing for me. Yeah. So I'm worried about driving 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.960 around home Halloween night. Yeah, it's kind of scary of 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.000 those kids, you know, they kind of darted in between 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.760 cars and stuff. Sure, be careful out there. What'd you do? Bill? 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:13.240 We uh we ten kids? We were at Cowboys Club 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.040 right here at the Star and the Legend show. You 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.720 guys didn't do that all night? Well then I went 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.599 to work. Oh then you had to go to work 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.279 after that? Well, first off, first off, I spent two 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.400 hours in twenty minutes in traffic going from Fort Worth 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.320 Peer to Frisco to host the show, and then blame 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.720 that on Vicky. Yeah, and I just walked upstairs. Yeah, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.080 I know, he went thirty seconds to the Cowboys Club 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:37.880 and he had a great show with Drew Pearson. Of 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.320 course you can't. You can't screw that up. No ruse 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.440 on the show, he'll talk the whole time. He just 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.640 kind of sit there and sip water. And there was 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.360 no one up there dressed for Halloween. No, there wasn't. 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.440 You know. It's kind of all professional old people. That's 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.919 Cowboys Club clientele. They had their party on Friday, and 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.120 I heard it was a pretty good party. I bet 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.440 it was. But yeah, I guess we didn't get the 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.400 vents from Halloween. You knew it was kind of a 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.120 no show, yea. And how about you, Rob, Happy birthday mom. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.520 Her birthday is on Halloween, so every year it used 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.360 to be a trigger treating thing. Now it's just let's 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.200 just get away. Let's go get something to eat, turn 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.360 the light off, and yes, go get dessert. Some out 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.320 there on time. No thanks to you, It's okay. Did 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.800 you apologize for me? I didn't. I will though you 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.080 were supposed to tell your mom it was my fault. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.200 You had to use had to stay five more. That's 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.080 an excuse. We all use a mixture that creative genius 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.200 you know, try. You can't just knock it out. It's 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.640 got to take time and the knock to edit that, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.400 you know, like a bottle of one. Probably only took 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.960 me an hour to do it. Half hour before, half 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.080 hour after. It wasn't It wasn't insightful. Locker room. I wish. 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.320 I wish folks can hear Mickey type. It's the greatest thing. 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.160 You have a typewriter. It might as well be the 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.240 I have a keyboard because I used to wear out 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:56.480 the do you hunt and peck you? No? But it is. 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.200 It is with some violence. It's like Randy Macho man 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.600 savage op rope, just banging the elbow. I bet none 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.000 of you had to really type on a typewriter. That's 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.479 how I. I typed on a typewriter. I used to 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:14.440 write the Jones. You did not. I bet it was 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.440 an electric one. No, I have a man I still 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.200 have a manual typewriter. I wrote I wrote a one 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.360 time in my life? Are you aware how get off 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.040 the lawn? That sounds? What's that? You guys didn't learn 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.560 how to type on a typewriter? Like oh, back in 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:33.800 the old days, that was better stuff to carry a 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.960 film project scouting. You had to push the keys down, 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.320 you didn't just call it move your hand there. And 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:44.560 then typing class. I was the worst in typing class. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.479 And I didn't realize how cool, how cool it should 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.719 have been, because I did it. My mother made me 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.920 go to summer school, and you know, back then, the 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.720 stigma of summer school. You're a big video. Yeah, and 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:03.640 so she was tired of having to get a type 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.240 my stuff because people couldn't read what I wrote. That's 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.520 another whole thing. And so I get in there and 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:16.000 there's there. It's a class of maybe twenty five and 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.880 I bet twenty three of them were female. And I 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.480 was like, oh this what am I doing it? Yeah? 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.040 You know this was that's where it all started. Huh Yeah, Actually, 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.960 you know what, it's pretty funny. I made a friend 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:33.400 in that Yeah, yes, it's going up. Made a friend 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.160 in that class. Uh So it was before my freshman 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:40.200 year in high school. And we are still friends today. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:46.240 So that's almost yeah, I hate to say almost fifty years. Yeah, 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:52.920 that's nice, Mickey. I like that story. Thank you. Hey 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.160 you guys started with the typing, right Rob, Anything you 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:02.160 happen to the locker room yesterday? What a drop. That's 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.320 gotta have more violence to it. More violence. That That 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.760 was a real type of Oh you hit that thing 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.040 going across. Absolutely, we'll get it. We'll get a tape 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:11.960 recorder to your keyboard. I'm gonna do that before the 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:13.800 end of the day so everybody can hear just how 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:18.520 crazy it is. I don't have my portable Mickey taking notes, Mickey, Mickey. 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.000 The Mickey was using like three legal pads on a conversation. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.480 That's right, I love it. I don't know how you 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.080 read those notes. They get me to where I can 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.560 look at the recording. Didn't find what there you go? 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.720 There you go, there you go, hieroglyphics. What you do 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:39.959 before audio tape, before tape recordings, what you do have 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:49.800 your notes? You have to keep up man a long 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.160 time newspaperman. Right there, though, Rob, do you have your 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.920 recorder in the locker room? Just stop piling on Mickey. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.800 Now we can we go. I don't show the Lockerrooe 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:05.319 minutes left locker room yesterday. Offensive line to the Hey, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.160 they all addressed the elephant in the room, Uh, you know, 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:15.040 firing and Mark Colombo coming in and Mickey saw different 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:19.480 interpretations of that. No, they accurate interpretation. Okay, well there 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:23.200 were different interpretations though there were Zack Martin, Look, he said, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.240 this is not a one man blame game. Okay, we 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.880 have to play better. We're not playing up to our standard. Okay. Um. 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.360 Tyrn Smith spoke about it. Lyle Collins spoke about it. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.520 I think the general feeling is Mark Colombo. They're comfortable 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.840 with him. He's a former player, he's not far removed 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.920 from being a player. Sure, but they have to do 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.480 a better job. And I thought the interesting question for 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.600 Zach was, all right, do you what do you do? 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.040 Do you scrap these new techniques that Alexander was teaching 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.160 you guys? He said, really, I don't think we can 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.760 do that completely. I mean, we'll try to integrate some 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.360 of our old stuff, but mid season, especially for younger guys, 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.360 that's gonna be to do. I ain't there. I think 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.560 there was some absolute That sentence is gonna sound terrible, 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.320 but I think that's the truth. I think there's some 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.120 guys that were glad to see this happen, you know, 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.600 And I'm not going to put words in guys mouths 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.440 or try to, but you look at some of the 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.800 things that those guys. I mean, we're talking about guys 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.280 that were all pros and Pro Bowl players, and you're 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.040 right tackle wasn't that guy. And we all talked about this. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.720 This is no secret that when there's people that said 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.120 that that right tackle is going to struggle with this change, 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.080 and he struggled, and I think there's I think he's 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.880 the one. He has to be the happiest of them 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.440 that Okay, you know, Mark, help me, help me get 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.480 back to what we were doing last year. Help me 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.880 get back with my feet, my punch, my hands, my balance. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:47.880 You know, there's a lot of things that he that 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.880 Mark can go back and say, Okay, remember when we 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:52.920 did this, Remember when we did this. I mean, the 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.800 familiarity that he has with that player, I think will 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.559 help that player. But I think Tyrn Smith, I mean 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.240 I applaud him for being being honest about it. Yeah, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.880 let's get to the elephant and the real I was 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.640 gonna let you handle the different interpretation. It wasn't a 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.280 different it was an accurate interpretation. Because some money asked 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.360 Tyrn Smith, who rarely talks, I think it kind of 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:18.320 got forced into got forced. But they asked him if 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:23.040 he was if he felt or if they felt responsible 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.840 for Paul Alexander getting fired, like it was their fault, 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.840 and he said, no, not at all. It's something that happens, 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.960 and it's really nobody's fault. No one is really in 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.199 control of something like that. We don't really pay too 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.400 much attention to it and just focus on what we 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:47.080 can control. Now, is that being irresponsible or is he 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:55.280 telling you what they thought of Paul Alexander? Look, yeah, please, no, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.600 not at all. It's something that happens, and it's really 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:04.320 nobody's fault. No one is in control of something like that. Yeah, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.560 I'm sorry. Yeah, that's what he said, and he never talks, right, 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.400 So well, Yeah, if you have a different interpretation, have 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:17.920 at it. I didn't. I'm multiple handle this in the break. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.479 I'm I'm not saying that you had a different interpretation. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.120 I'm saying that there were kind of different ways of 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.760 the questions being answered. They all got asked the same thing, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.080 he answered it a little differently. Yeah, it's not being 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.800 so sensitive. He was just being He just wouldn't being 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:35.600 nice like everybody else, right, I guess. I mean they 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.280 all kind of said, what you're supposed to ask you 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.600 a question? Which one did you respect the most the 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.320 answers you got, Which one did the best to help 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.520 you do your job? I think Zach, they all answered 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.520 the questions fine. I think Zach though, as the offensive 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.360 captains standing up and saying we have to play better, 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.320 that there's no question of that. To me. That's that's 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.440 a captain standing up and saying like it's on us 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.560 as much as it is the coaches, and and when 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.679 management makes a decision for an offensive line that is 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.240 considered the strength of the team, it's got to fall 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.640 on us to some degree. So I'd say, Zach Martin 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:18.320 m then we will agree to disagree on that. I 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.280 tend to you know me, and agree with Mickey. That's 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.640 like oil and water. As crazy as Mickey sounds, I 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.640 have to agree with him. Thank you very much. Brian 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.720 brought us so. I didn't like the bill. No that 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.400 I don't know. I mean, I to me, I I 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.080 think that the fact the matter is, yeah, they have 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.920 to play better. But there were some clearly some issues 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.160 there there were. You know, I'm not saying anybody wrong, 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:48.760 I'm just saying, you know, I'm on everybody. Doesn't it 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.240 sure does at some point, Sure it does. But it 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.760 also fall it also, you know, hey, it falls on 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.199 the general manager and the coaching staff are hiring the guy. Yeah, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.280 I know, because if you're if you're trying to bring 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.440 a guy in here that's gonna try and change everything 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:07.840 that everybody, everything that they've done, shame on you. You know, hey, 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.560 it starts at the top two though, But I applaud 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.760 Tyren Smith for saying that though you know, it's a 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.720 bad fit. Obviously eight weeks in, you know, they got 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.720 rid of this guy. What's the biggest difference technique wise 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:26.160 between the way Paul Alexander coached the offensive lineman and 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:30.360 the let's say, the Hudson Howk technique, Like let's like Bill, 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.280 Let's let's push something aside here real quick. Okay, this 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.480 is Mark Colombo's room, right, Let's not talk about Hudson HOWK. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.800 I mean, let's talk about Hudson how the legendary coach 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.160 and what he was. Hudson HOWK is here to observe 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.320 and to help. This is Mark Colombo's room. This is 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.240 this is let's every I think there's a lot of 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.160 people out there like, oh, they're gonna go back to 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.880 what they did at the Super Bowl no, no, no, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.920 this is Hudson Howk is just here to kind of 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.400 make sure that Mark Colombo is a sounding board guy. 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.040 Do you think what's the difference. Okay, now I'll get 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:03.880 to I'm sorry about I just didn't mean to lecture 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.760 you're there, but I know there's a lot of people 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:09.240 out there are Hudson how No, no, this is Mark 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.960 Colombo's gig. Now, this is his gig. Either this team's 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.320 either this offensive line is going to get better or 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.360 it's not right. And so the difference, though, I think 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.960 what you're gonna see is I just think an overall technique. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.920 Overall technique, and mainly as in past protection, we've talked 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.560 about the high hand low hand. We've talked about okay, 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.400 how do you place your feet? How do you say 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.360 when you watch the Cowboys? When you watch the Cowboys play. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.800 Previously it's been about punch, and it's been about knee bend. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.600 It's gonna be about it's about inside hands and sitting 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.040 down on your guy. You know, when you play high 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.480 hand low hand, you're looking for control. The other way 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.800 to play this is you're trying to control the guy 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.560 by getting to him and getting your hands on him, 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.040 not just kind of pushing him past and holding him 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.080 in place. That's not gonna be that. It's gonna be. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.320 This new way, I think is more about physical lady 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.640 than it is about hand placement. This is about punching him, 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.200 holding him and sitting down on him and being that 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.080 that type of a player. So Nate Newton as a 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:15.880 casual observer, I guess Drew Drew Pearson. He pointed it 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.160 out last night. He was talking about talking to Harvey 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.440 Martin and asking Harvey, what do you like or what 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.920 do you hate of an opposing offensive lineman, And he said, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.120 I hate when they're aggressive at me, when they're coming 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.200 at me. I'd rather them trying to catch me because 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.040 I can beat him if they're catching. And I think 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.200 Nate pointing and Nate Newton was on Cowboys Insider, which 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.400 you might be able to find on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.560 If not, it's on Fox Sports Southwest. He was pointing 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.600 out the difference and he was great and described and 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.280 he was talking. He basically said, it's a difference between 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:55.200 catching and punching, right, and the Paul Alexander technique is 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.440 to catch the pass rusher and this is all pass 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.120 protection we're talking about here, catching the pass rusher and 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.160 reacting basically right, well mirror yeah, which and of course 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.880 Nate played for Hudson howk And it's the punch, it's 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.440 being more aggressive, keep them on the line of scrimmage, right, Yeah. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.920 And Darryl Johnston was there, and Darryl said, well, that 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.879 makes sense when they're having difficulties in handling stunts and 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.600 Swiss And so when you're playing a technique where you 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:30.120 are basically in retreat mode as as opposed to proactive, right, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.960 and that's going to you're going to be imbalanced on 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.159 your on your offensive line asgar as handling twists and 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.080 stunts and so forth, and you're going to have difficulties there. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.760 And so that explains a lot of that. Now, the 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:47.080 question is, all right, obviously, with any offensive lineman, you're 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.840 practicing your technique on a daily basis, and so if 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.280 you're if you're switching back to the other technique, how 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.120 does that affect Monday's game? I mean, how quickly can 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.960 you go back to the other technique. There's only one 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.280 guy that's a rookie out perfected, but yeah, there's only 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:08.000 one guy that left guard he's the only guy that's like, okay, 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.320 but but he's also played at a high level collegiately. 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.720 You know, it's not like he's coming from Mama Thur, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.119 you know, Hobart College or someplace like that. This guy's 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.040 played it. You know, he he understands that. Okay, I've 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.920 got to get my hands on these guys, especially him, 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.119 when you don't play with power and you're trying to 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.960 catch people all day and ain't a good recipe. Right there, 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.760 they're getting the first Yeah. Yeah, he's he's trying to 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.960 place his hands when he's not strong to begin with. 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.000 He end up on his butt. Yeah. Give me, give 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.600 me a guy, get you know what, Paul Alexander Ay 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.560 twenty four years, great career, Nice job. You're a bad 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.200 fit here. You were a bad fit here. You're not this. 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.879 This to me is this offensive line is based on power. 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.280 It's based on ability to get athletes with power. And 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.240 if you take the ability to use their power away 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.680 from them the way they are, you got no shot. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.640 You remember, no shot? You remember what Nate pointed out 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.920 to us last year. With um Layle Collins moving to 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.760 right tackle for Hatton, played there since twenty fourteen, and 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.800 Nate was the first one to realize this guy's left handed. Yeah, 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.159 and he's trying to watch and he can't. He's got 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.440 to punch with his right hand. He keeps his left. Yeah. 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:26.040 And so now you're probably not punching anymore. You're you're catching. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.720 And after you know, he kind of got it those 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.640 last six eight games of the season making that transition 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.080 with the left hand to the right hand, and they 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.960 were punching. Well, there wasn't a lot of punching going on. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.359 How many times did we see Lyle Collins on the 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.600 holding penalties where it's he looks just out of whack, 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.280 you know, his hands are all messed up. I must 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.359 used a bad word there, sorry, but you know he 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.080 I mean, and he was off balance, off balance? I mean, yeah, 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.600 this to me. You watched the tape and we all 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.920 watched the games. We watched the games. You're saying, what's 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.560 the problem, and you think kind of his technique's bad? 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.520 All right, here's my question. And I agree it was 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.920 a bad fit, no doubt about it. That's why you're 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:07.560 not going to be as evil as me. It's why 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.080 they made the move. But as a former offensive lineman, 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.720 do you snap your fingers and say, because muscle memory 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:15.320 kicks in at some point, right, I've been doing this 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.440 for how many months? And then you just switch back 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.440 to doing what you used to do. Alexander in that 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.920 interview said he's got some guys trying it and some 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.640 guy's not. If I'm not mistaken about that, ye, yeah. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.480 What happens you go into survival mode when things aren't working? 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.840 What do you do? I think he used this example 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.000 the other day. I guess maybe not here Tim Tebow. 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.640 They could teach him to throw the football all day, 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:38.920 but what happens when he gets into a game he 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.159 goes back to what revert back? That goes back to 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.440 your muscle memory. Tyrn Smith, Hey, I want you to 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.760 punch the hell out of Casey this week. I want 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.919 you to sit him on the line and punch him 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:52.879 when he comes your direction. And when you pass that 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.600 twist stunt over to Connor Williams, I want you to 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.600 take your two hands and shove him as hard as 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.160 you can into Connor william And then when that looper 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.320 comes around, I want you to hit that guy right 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.520 in the chest with your right hand. Okay, don't catch him, 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.840 hit him as hard as you can with your right hand. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.840 Tyrn Smith will remember that, he'll remember that seeing the 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.560 other thing. And I don't think it was all only 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:19.080 about technique. I think it was just the room. It 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.119 was a bad fit in the room. How tight were 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.960 those games. Let's remember how tight they are. They would 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:26.879 all walk out together to practice the first day of 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.600 training camp. They would walk out single file to practice 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:35.480 right and their own way. They had their own swagger 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.600 about him. Yeah, they don't have that anyhow, and they 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.040 were tight. And I don't know, I don't know if 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:44.479 they didn't let him in or what happened, but there 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.000 was just a disconnect there. And you know, you can 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.960 blame the as Brian said, the head coach for hire 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.560 him or however they decided to come around to make 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.800 that move. But it wasn't working. So give them credit 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.320 for exactly. Let's not keep the exactly I'm just doing something. 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.679 I appreciate you saying that, Mickey, because that's exactly right. 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:05.840 That's the way it needs to be. You know, if 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.720