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Speaker 1: or at your local outlet in your region. My name
Speaker 1: is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy.
Speaker 1: I talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness.
Speaker 1: My guest on the Joy podcast today is a gentleman
Speaker 1: who holds a very special.
Speaker 2: Place in my heart.
Speaker 1: Not only is he a fabulous actor there's been in
Speaker 1: all the good things, but he also has a very
Speaker 1: significant small part in my own personal story, and you're
Speaker 1: about to find out what that is, along with a
Speaker 1: great many other things about the fabulously interesting, very original, lovely,
Speaker 1: super talented, famous actor Richard Kind.
Speaker 2: I'm in New England. Are you in New York? I
Speaker 2: am where? Well, I'm not going to tell you. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you after.
Speaker 1: Oh right, okay, yeah, because now we're on the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in New England.
Speaker 3: That's very lovely. Yeah, no, it's very nice. But of
Speaker 3: course I live.
Speaker 2: In New York now too. No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm moving back to the city. I'm moving back
Speaker 1: to the Upper east Side. Okay, because you're on the
Speaker 1: Upper west Side, Upper west Side. Yes, I think of
Speaker 1: you as the quintessential New Yorker, which I know that
Speaker 1: you were born.
Speaker 2: I wasn't born here.
Speaker 3: I lived years and years in lah Yeah, I'm an
Speaker 3: Upper Whenever I lived in New York, I lived Upper
Speaker 3: west Side. I lived downtown for a while during spin City.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Upper west Side is the best. It's where
Speaker 3: to raise my kids.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: And also I think of you as being the quintessential
Speaker 1: New Yorker. For a very specific moment in time ahead
Speaker 1: to could.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you were doing The Producers on Broadway?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: Right, And I came to see you in that show Broadway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I came to seeing that show and I came to
Speaker 1: see you in that show, and very briefly afterwards, I
Speaker 1: came back and I said, Hi.
Speaker 2: You probably don't remember that because it was a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff going on.
Speaker 1: Well, funnily enough, I came back, I said hi after
Speaker 1: the show, and you were great in the show.
Speaker 2: Great, And I came back to tell you that.
Speaker 1: And then after that I went uptown because I had
Speaker 1: to do a thing, and I went to this event
Speaker 1: uptown called New Yorkers for Children, where I met a
Speaker 1: woman that very night who I'm still married to.
Speaker 2: Always that fantastic? Is that the story? That is great?
Speaker 3: I know that is great, But seriously, how was I
Speaker 3: You were great?
Speaker 2: You were great?
Speaker 3: You're getting it was a high point of the evening,
Speaker 3: so you might have been in a good mood.
Speaker 2: I think I was.
Speaker 1: I think you cheered me up. I think it was.
Speaker 1: It was a very funny. It is a very funny show.
Speaker 3: So wonderful. Was it your first time seeing the show?
Speaker 3: It was the first time seeing it live.
Speaker 1: I'd seen obviously the movie, but i'd never seen, never
Speaker 1: seen the musical.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, great. Oh that's a wonderful story, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy for you. Oh great.
Speaker 1: So in our family every year on Christmas Eve, we
Speaker 1: have a photograph of you on our Christmas tree and
Speaker 1: all that, and the children saying thank you that this
Speaker 1: is a.
Speaker 2: Joke, this is a joke.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, thank God, thank God.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: But you famous? I mean you're famous an You're the
Speaker 1: famous actor Richard Kind. But okay, okay, but you're very,
Speaker 1: very very famous in our family because the night I
Speaker 1: went to see Richard Kind of Producers, I met the mother.
Speaker 3: I embraced that reality. That is fantastic.
Speaker 2: Well that's a very special place in in my heart.
Speaker 1: But you, I think of you as being a Broadway guy,
Speaker 1: But I suppose you're not really a Broadway guy.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you are, you're a Broadway guy, you're
Speaker 1: an actor, you do all of those things.
Speaker 2: Right, I kind of tell you.
Speaker 3: I was forty five years old when I made my
Speaker 3: Broadway debut, but I've been going to Broadway play since
Speaker 3: I was seven. I go, I see every thing, and
Speaker 3: I do plays all the time. I do a play
Speaker 3: a year, easily a play a year, but it was
Speaker 3: very late because I kept wanting to be an actor,
Speaker 3: and I never thought, well, I was in second city.
Speaker 2: I just thought I had to go. I had to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: I had to make my mark, I had to do
Speaker 3: TV at the movies, and I always thought that Broadway
Speaker 3: would take me away from it, even though I loved
Speaker 3: doing Broadway. But Broadway meant a year of being in
Speaker 3: that particular show, which I did not want to do.
Speaker 3: I don't like the way a Broadway. Is it so
Speaker 3: an ecosystem as well?
Speaker 1: Like there are people who exist only in Broadway, who
Speaker 1: are like massive stars in Broadway, and then you get
Speaker 1: to you know, halfway along Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: And people don't know where they are. I mean, is
Speaker 2: it's exactly you know I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: People think, oh, you're really having a moment now and
Speaker 3: everything like that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I have been working as much now as I have
Speaker 3: been my whole career. It says the platforms are larger
Speaker 3: and are getting attention, and there were bigger stars, but
Speaker 3: I've been doing this just like this for a long
Speaker 3: long time. It's just that now people are seeing it more. Well,
Speaker 3: it's funny. I feel like maybe I have a different
Speaker 3: perception of view.
Speaker 1: I think of you as being a big star since
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety since spent thy Since.
Speaker 2: You're wrong, No, and I are wrong. I am.
Speaker 3: I'm a go to character actor along with about fifteen
Speaker 3: or twenty others who beat me out for parts regularly,
Speaker 3: people who I admire.
Speaker 2: I'm somebody who.
Speaker 3: If you see me, if the normal guy sees me,
Speaker 3: they know my face, they can't place it. They certainly
Speaker 3: don't know my name, But more and more lately they're
Speaker 3: knowing my name. But it was always used to joke.
Speaker 3: They would see me, they go, but did I go
Speaker 3: to high school with you? Am I related to you?
Speaker 3: Do you owe me money? It's one of those they
Speaker 3: can't place it. Now they are more or less able
Speaker 3: to place it. And I'll tell you this, Well you
Speaker 3: might even know this. What's your off TV? A year later?
Speaker 3: They don't know you? No, that's true. Well, no, they
Speaker 3: do not know you. That used to be true until
Speaker 3: YouTube and the Internet created a whole new repeat structure
Speaker 3: for old shows, like I stopped doing my Late ninth
Speaker 3: show ten years ago. Ten years ago, I stopped ten
Speaker 3: years ago, and I still get people coming to live
Speaker 3: shows who clearly never weren't old enough to watch me
Speaker 3: when I was doing the show. Who say, I watch
Speaker 3: you on YouTube like I'm someone who does a YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: I okay, you do have them what you had Like
Speaker 3: when I was on Spin City. Yeah, millions of people
Speaker 3: watch you now now thousands watch on YouTube.
Speaker 2: We used to have millions.
Speaker 1: Okay, the glory because I was doing the Drew Carry
Speaker 1: show at the same time you were doing.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. Well, okay, Drew Carry was huge.
Speaker 3: That was huge for you. But but no, here's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying is is after I did let's say, Spin City,
Speaker 3: I really would get people going, aren't you acting anymore?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was.
Speaker 3: It's silly you Literally they go, I go, I am,
Speaker 3: You're just not watching the channels I'm on and when
Speaker 3: And I still get it and I just go, am
Speaker 3: I not acting? I'm on everything all the time, on
Speaker 3: everything now everything You're on, all the good things, the building. Correct,
Speaker 3: You're always on John Mulaney, that John Mullaney all in.
Speaker 3: Everybody's in LA. I'm all over the place. And somebody
Speaker 3: will really ask me nowadays, aren't you acting anymore, and
Speaker 3: I'm I'm mystified, Well, who is.
Speaker 2: This asshole that got to be? Many of those people
Speaker 2: got his name.
Speaker 3: I took his name and I found that and he
Speaker 3: and I are having lunch and I'm going to go
Speaker 3: through and we're going to go through my IMDb page.
Speaker 1: It's a funny thing because people people sometimes will get annoyed.
Speaker 1: I've noticed that if they say to you, hey, where
Speaker 1: do I know you from? And you're like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's the worst, you know what I but I now
Speaker 3: have a thing. I say, uh, you know, I go,
Speaker 3: what do you do for a liberty? He goes, I'm
Speaker 3: a dentist. What was the name of the last person
Speaker 3: he gave a crown to?
Speaker 2: That's what I give.
Speaker 3: That's what I say, or I'll just say they literally
Speaker 3: me right now. They go, what do I know you're from?
Speaker 3: And I go, everything, Just look up my IMDb page. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well you are kind of in everything. I mean now
Speaker 3: I'm in when I talked when I when you turned
Speaker 3: up and only murders in the building, I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: really really that, I mean, how how long did that take?
Speaker 2: Two seasons?
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. Is that you know, people ask
Speaker 3: why don't you want to murders in the building? I go,
Speaker 3: because they haven't asked me.
Speaker 2: All they got to do.
Speaker 3: Is ask me, So we have to three seasons they
Speaker 3: asked me.
Speaker 2: You're right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a funny thing, though, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Because I think fame and it's particularly proper actors like you,
Speaker 1: who are like real actors who do it.
Speaker 2: It's a thing, and it's a craft and.
Speaker 1: A job and an art that you really care about,
Speaker 1: and fame almost seems like a like a byproduct, like
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't think of you as someone who look,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think of you as
Speaker 1: someone who who courted being famous. It's more about being
Speaker 1: famous as a byproduct of what you do.
Speaker 2: And they don't know you.
Speaker 1: They know who you play, because who you play, you
Speaker 1: play a very vary bunch of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like to say that.
Speaker 3: I do. When I was a kid and I lay
Speaker 3: in bed dreaming of fame, and I did. I dreamt
Speaker 3: of being an actor. I dreamt of being famous. When
Speaker 3: I got angry at my parents and thought about running away.
Speaker 3: My my note to my parents, I'll show you note
Speaker 3: was I'm on the movie screen and I'm talking to them, going,
Speaker 3: I'll show you you didn't let me go out and
Speaker 3: me with my friends today, And I'll show you and
Speaker 3: I you know you wanted to run away. This was
Speaker 3: my my What do you say? What's the kind of
Speaker 3: note you write when you're.
Speaker 2: My runaway note?
Speaker 3: My runaway note was a And so I did want
Speaker 3: to be a star when I was younger, and then
Speaker 3: I started acting, started having a career, and I realized
Speaker 3: I want to be a good actor.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this too.
Speaker 3: As you probably know, because you know a lot of
Speaker 3: people who have achieved great fame, fame is a prison.
Speaker 2: Anybody who goes after fame is a fool.
Speaker 3: Therefore, absolutely, how do you how do you convince a
Speaker 3: young person that fame should not be your goal, not
Speaker 3: only that, stay far away from it.
Speaker 1: You know why, if I could redo it, if I
Speaker 1: could relive my life, I would try and find a
Speaker 1: profession that had zero visibility, that had oh no no, oh,
Speaker 1: Craig please, no no no, no, no, no no no why,
Speaker 1: or a dry cleaner or a.
Speaker 3: Hit man that I have to stay out of everybody's way, yes, no, no,
Speaker 3: no ah, Look, I I do.
Speaker 2: Like people coming up to me and saying they like me.
Speaker 3: With my ex wife, we would be walking down the
Speaker 3: street and we'd be arguing and somebody would go, oh,
Speaker 3: I love you, and I go, honey, please see so
Speaker 3: ah it's I do like people coming up and saying
Speaker 3: and giving me affirmation.
Speaker 2: It does make me happy.
Speaker 3: She used to say, how can you have a bad
Speaker 3: day people come up to you like that? What are
Speaker 3: you out of your mind? But I do happen to
Speaker 3: like affirmation. I love applause. It's one reason why I
Speaker 3: like theater. I like, you know, while you're on stage,
Speaker 3: forget the applause. You can hear them listening. You can
Speaker 3: hear them understanding what you're saying and connecting. And it's
Speaker 3: not with sound. You just feel it. It's a wonderful feeling.
Speaker 3: When I do single camera, I can't feel anything. They
Speaker 3: yell cut and I go, was that any good? I
Speaker 3: don't know. I want to hear. I want a symbiotic
Speaker 3: relationship with the audience. You do it with your stand up.
Speaker 3: You certainly did it on your talk. So yeah, But
Speaker 3: I wonder if if that is that something that you're
Speaker 3: lacking and not you Is that something that one is
Speaker 3: lacking in passional relationships that you're looking for an app
Speaker 3: animation a single person can give you.
Speaker 2: I can't give you. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: There are other ways of finding satisfaction in the world
Speaker 3: and people who, as you just said, if I could
Speaker 3: sun the public life and find satisfaction that whole thing.
Speaker 3: But I don't. I know my makeup is I like
Speaker 3: this affirmation. It makes me happy. Applause. All that stuff
Speaker 3: makes me happy. As I get older, Okay, I can
Speaker 3: leave it all behind, but I still like it. I
Speaker 3: still I don't the amounts that that bottomless hole of
Speaker 3: affirmation has been filled up a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm okay.
Speaker 1: I think that's quite interesting because also the idea of
Speaker 1: I've talked to quite a few people, very successful people
Speaker 1: like you, about ambition and what it looks like when
Speaker 1: you're young, like my the ambition that that I felt
Speaker 1: when I was young, and I've heard a lot of
Speaker 1: people say had a sort of sort of and even
Speaker 1: the runaway no story and how to kind of anger,
Speaker 1: a kind of a kind of fucked you about it.
Speaker 3: And well that that that that that's what those famously
Speaker 3: the comedians will say, I killed them, I slayed them.
Speaker 2: I had them in the aisle.
Speaker 3: That's like, I need you, but I hate you, and
Speaker 3: I because I hate needing you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need them, I do. I still need them
Speaker 2: as much as you did. Do you think.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, But when I act, I do. I
Speaker 3: don't need them off stage as much. But when I'm acting, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I need somebody to say that's great. I always say
Speaker 3: I have an enormous ego and no confidence. Yeah I
Speaker 3: need I need to be told you're doing good. I
Speaker 3: also have a friend who did say, and I do
Speaker 3: believe this. I may not always be great, but I
Speaker 3: don't think I can suck anymore. Yeah, you know, I think.
Speaker 3: I think, I think I got it. I made a
Speaker 3: great and I yearned for great. I really do. Sure,
Speaker 3: I really do. Uh and not for the fay but
Speaker 3: the money or anything. I really want to do a
Speaker 3: good job. Sure, I feel the same way. I never
Speaker 3: began each stand up show by tailing the audience. How
Speaker 3: long I've been doing it, a number of awards, and
Speaker 3: you know a rough idea of how much money I've made,
Speaker 3: and and that's so. So if the show sucks tonight,
Speaker 3: it's not me, it's just not Oh that's funny. Well,
Speaker 3: that's hilarious. I would never say that, but so so.
Speaker 3: In other words, I've got it all. I've had my affirmation.
Speaker 3: This is on you.
Speaker 2: It's so on you.
Speaker 1: This is let's see how you do. You paid your money.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do my very best for you. But
Speaker 1: if it's you don't like it, that's because you don't
Speaker 1: like it than me. I'll do it. That's hilarious. I
Speaker 1: think that's great. That's bad, fantastic.
Speaker 3: Did you and I mean it too? Actually no, no,
Speaker 3: I mean it sounds very I don't. I I do
Speaker 3: not feel that way. There are nights that you're better
Speaker 3: than other nights. You're just better, but you're not always
Speaker 3: in charge of how the perception of that. Because I've
Speaker 3: done this probably the night I came to see you,
Speaker 3: and producers, you know that. You You you say to
Speaker 3: an actor backstage or you've been on stage yourself, and
Speaker 3: you tell them how great they were, and they'll say, oh, no,
Speaker 3: you should have been here last night. Last night is
Speaker 3: much better, and you've got to stop doing that.
Speaker 2: You you do well.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why I have to stop doing that
Speaker 3: is because then that person feels he's been seated m
Speaker 3: hm and so it makes that person feel worse and
Speaker 3: it and it's it may not be true about me.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And the degree that you were better or worse is minuscule,
Speaker 3: really miniscule. I could ask for another take, a second take,
Speaker 3: and you put him side by side. You can't. You
Speaker 3: can't tell the difference, right, you just you can't. A
Speaker 3: good director can or sometimes do that. But most takes
Speaker 3: they got it, you do have or it's or let
Speaker 3: me put it this way, it's sufficient. Another take maybe
Speaker 3: perfect and better. The other one was sufficient, But especially
Speaker 3: if you're talking about a take, but directors looking at
Speaker 3: and going that book behind Richard there, I don't.
Speaker 2: Like that book there. Control of that. I have no
Speaker 2: control of that.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about whether or not I hooked in with
Speaker 3: what is needed emotionally, what what I had in my eyes? Yeah,
Speaker 3: stuff there, stuff like that that that nobody's diffident.
Speaker 2: What doesn't that?
Speaker 3: Isn't that frustrating as an actor if you do a
Speaker 3: very good take and you have lovely all the things
Speaker 3: you want, and you rise and stuff, and then someone says,
Speaker 3: that was great, but we heard that guy sneeze, Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's do it again.
Speaker 2: Kills me.
Speaker 3: That that that kills me because that moment in a bottle,
Speaker 3: you know, to do to capture that that's precious and
Speaker 3: you got it because there was a hair.
Speaker 2: In the lens, you know, and the lens or whatever
Speaker 2: it is. You go, ah, why, I don't think that anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't think you are.
Speaker 3: I do know that Brando used to give his cinematographers
Speaker 3: a bottle of champagne on the first day of the shooting,
Speaker 3: and he would go up to him and say, if
Speaker 3: it's not good, look at me, or if I think
Speaker 3: it's not good, look at me, and the cameraman will
Speaker 3: take the blame for.
Speaker 2: We got to do another. That's kind of clever. And
Speaker 2: thought I thought that was very smart. You know what
Speaker 2: to watch another?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember watching a couple of very clever women actors.
Speaker 1: We'vecome the actresses that I worked with over the years
Speaker 1: who on the first day of shooting would go to
Speaker 1: the DP. It was usually a man, and they would
Speaker 1: flirt with the DP immediately. They would establish a relationship
Speaker 1: with the DP, and I was like, what hell? And
Speaker 1: I figured that the relationship over time. It was a
Speaker 1: very kind of I have to look good and you
Speaker 1: have to make me look good.
Speaker 2: Times very interesting. There's more.
Speaker 1: The politics of a set are far more complex than
Speaker 1: I think people understand, especially for things like the soundman
Speaker 1: makes he says there's a bad noise and you know
Speaker 1: we can't get around it, or the airplane or the
Speaker 1: guy sneezes. Do you remember that time Christian Bale got
Speaker 1: into trouble because there was a he was doing a
Speaker 1: I think it was a mane.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I think so.
Speaker 1: I do remember, and he yelled that someone for screwing
Speaker 1: up a take. And I remember because I was doing
Speaker 1: late Night at the time, and I remember sticking up
Speaker 1: for him. You ask a guy, You ask a guy
Speaker 1: to go to the edge of what you can do,
Speaker 1: to take himself to the edge of psychosis and let
Speaker 1: it be recorded.
Speaker 2: And then you got upset with him.
Speaker 1: If he's upset while he's doing that, it seems ill
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: Standard I am with you now that now he got angry. Look,
Speaker 3: I'm all for getting angry too. And yeah, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to tell you something else. The guys who who
Speaker 3: went to work for Scott Ruten, and Scott Ruten was
Speaker 3: horrible to them and blah blah blah. Yeah, II go,
Speaker 3: don't work for him. This is how he operates. Ye, what,
Speaker 3: you're walking into a blind alley. No, it's it's like saying,
Speaker 3: I heard them grenades go off, I saw the bombs.
Speaker 3: I saw all the soulsers running. I said, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the other side of the street.
Speaker 3: Don't work for them a certain way.
Speaker 1: There's there's been quite a low on that recently. I
Speaker 1: feel like the pendulum swinging the other way.
Speaker 2: Don't worry. We got a president will take care of it.
Speaker 3: Don't you that that won't shit? Oh please, it's all
Speaker 3: going to be taken care of. Yes it is, Yes
Speaker 3: it is. What about the what about the origins of it?
Speaker 2: For you? You don't come from a shoebiz family, do you? No,
Speaker 2: not at all.
Speaker 3: I think that the origins hold on. I gotta sneeze.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that there ones of which, oh so
Speaker 3: ones of which two acaus threes of disappointment.
Speaker 2: That's the rules of sneezing.
Speaker 3: Oh no, oh god, well, no, wonder my life is
Speaker 3: a disappointment.
Speaker 2: Sneeze You always sneeze three times.
Speaker 1: Always always needs three times. Really, that doesn't seem possible.
Speaker 1: You can't always see three times. Craig I'm special. This
Speaker 1: is what sets me apart.
Speaker 3: Do you have the like specialities at the bottom of
Speaker 3: your resume? Absolutely, you know, oh it's fight well, at
Speaker 3: the bottom of my resume. I always say my specialties,
Speaker 3: my biggest talent. Friends with George Clooney, that's my biggest talent.
Speaker 3: That's my biggest Are you still friends with George Clinney?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't like to talk
Speaker 3: about it. He gets enough enough. No, I don't like
Speaker 3: that do anything. But yeah, yeah, remember, of course I am.
Speaker 1: What I remember about Clooney is I'll talk about him
Speaker 1: for a minute because when Clooney was doing er, I
Speaker 1: was doing the Drew Carey Show, right.
Speaker 2: And the trailers were saying that Warner Brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he George would play basketball every day every day
Speaker 1: and he would go over and play basketball.
Speaker 2: We'd come back and all the women hanging out with
Speaker 2: trailers and watch him go play basketball. Cal that's funny.
Speaker 1: But he was and that's when his star was really
Speaker 1: beginning to you know, TV doctor.
Speaker 2: And he was great, and he was always great and
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 3: And I no, no, no, no, no, he was not always great.
Speaker 2: He was always great to us. He was always great. Person.
Speaker 2: He was always great. He's always great.
Speaker 3: Oh, since I know him, he was a great man,
Speaker 3: a great level moral man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and then that's what I mean. That's why
Speaker 1: I don't judge anybody on the right. And I'm no judge.
Speaker 3: I don't know that if you judge George Clooney on
Speaker 3: his uh, I'm the man you'll find no better.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's what That's what I always thought.
Speaker 1: He was like a really decent And I've never heard
Speaker 1: a bad story about him either, which in Hollywood is
Speaker 1: kind of like him and Henry Winkler.
Speaker 3: I think that's it. And Richard kind Have you heard
Speaker 3: a bad story about me?
Speaker 2: No? I actually I haven't heard a bad the story
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: I don't know bad stories about me. I can think
Speaker 3: I feel bad about things, but I don't think people
Speaker 3: have bad stories about me.
Speaker 2: I find myself on it.
Speaker 3: But I feel guilty when I do do something wrong,
Speaker 3: when when inside I know I've I've yelled at somebody
Speaker 3: around nasty, but they don't know it.
Speaker 2: But I feel bad. I do well.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that you're allowed to be human.
Speaker 1: I know is when I was doing the Late Night Show.
Speaker 1: What I know is is because I met everybody. Everybody
Speaker 1: like everybody comes through and.
Speaker 3: The mene to douchebag ratio was exactly the same as
Speaker 3: any other walk in life.
Speaker 2: I think that's true.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just that some people were great, some
Speaker 1: people were assholes.
Speaker 2: Well, actually I disagree with that.
Speaker 3: What One of the reasons why I think children should
Speaker 3: not be actors, right, is because you are treating hid
Speaker 3: differently by other people. On accountant does a good job,
Speaker 3: you thank him. You know you have every profession, you
Speaker 3: thank him. Thank you for doing a good job. Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, you went out of your way. You're fabulous
Speaker 3: as a doctor. I owe you my life. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But an actor gets blind adoration, ad a ration, and
Speaker 3: a child who goes to set, They all the adults
Speaker 3: on set open doors for a kid. Can I get
Speaker 3: you any water? They they cowtow to a child. They'll
Speaker 3: open the door when a child should be opening a
Speaker 3: door for an adult. And children should be beaten up
Speaker 3: at school or should be you know, kept in their
Speaker 3: place by their friends, and on set it's the opposite,
Speaker 3: and they feel that they are elevated in the world.
Speaker 3: I know this because I would come home and my
Speaker 3: kids would go, Daddy, can he get me some water?
Speaker 3: And I'm going, no, you get me water, but they don't.
Speaker 3: I get my kids water.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. It's funny. I remember that.
Speaker 3: When I was doing Late Night, my kids were very young,
Speaker 3: Like at the very beginning, I was still changing diapers,
Speaker 3: so I would I'd be talking to these fabulously glamorous
Speaker 3: people and then really within three or four minutes, I'd
Speaker 3: be in my office changing a diaper and I can't
Speaker 3: get absolutely wrestling.
Speaker 2: Of the baby seat and going back home. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: my kids make fun of me. My dad.
Speaker 3: My son who's nineteen, literally will put his hands, going, Dad,
Speaker 3: why do you talk? He's hilarious. I did what you're
Speaker 3: talking about. I go, hey, I'm a national treasure, national treasure.
Speaker 3: How dot like that? No, of course I'm not a
Speaker 3: national I know that. And to them, I'm their dad,
Speaker 3: Yes I'm not. You know, we have we have to
Speaker 3: take stocking ourselves. But if you but an actor keeps
Speaker 3: getting told oh you're wonderful, Oh I love you, Oh
Speaker 3: you bring me such joy, They're going to go around
Speaker 3: thinking that so that develops into a just it can
Speaker 3: it can? It can if you yes, if you do
Speaker 3: know so, the ratio is not the same.
Speaker 1: I think my feeling is it actually was, because first
Speaker 1: of all, I didn't talk to a lot of kid
Speaker 1: actors the well.
Speaker 2: I what I did do?
Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about adult actors too. Well, an adult
Speaker 3: actor isn't going to be lousy to you. He's about
Speaker 3: to talk to you for twelve minutes. Why would they
Speaker 3: be true?
Speaker 1: But everybody talks to each other, like the guy who's
Speaker 1: like bringing them from the Lemmo end of the dressing room.
Speaker 1: I know this guy. We talked to each other every day.
Speaker 1: I say, what was he like? You go he was
Speaker 1: a jerk or he was nice? I mean they they
Speaker 1: they kind of.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a small Lettle ecosystem. So you get to
Speaker 2: hear if.
Speaker 3: Someone well also liberal in our politics, and liberality usually
Speaker 3: means kindness. It means an openness to people. That's the liberal.
Speaker 3: That's what liberality really means, is an openness. And I
Speaker 3: think that actors are usually liberal in their politics and
Speaker 3: liberal in their personalities and their acceptance of people. But
Speaker 3: I will tell you this and who I'll be damned
Speaker 3: if I can remember who it was. But I was
Speaker 3: talking to a director who was an actor. First, Oh, god,
Speaker 3: who was it?
Speaker 2: Boy? I wish I could remember. Oh, I know who
Speaker 2: it was. It was still close, old man and old man.
Speaker 3: He was on thirty something and I know him well
Speaker 3: and he's married to Melissa Gilbert and I know him. Oh,
Speaker 3: let's google it because he's a great he's a dear,
Speaker 3: dear friend. But he was talking about he was in
Speaker 3: on a meeting with like the producers and with the
Speaker 3: uh uh some of the raters and everything, and go, well,
Speaker 3: they're really nuts, and he goes, yeah, we tim Busfield,
Speaker 3: stop it, stop looking, tim Busfield.
Speaker 2: Tim Busfield, must it right now? And he goes, of
Speaker 2: course they're nuts.
Speaker 3: You're asking them to bring up emotions in an unnatural
Speaker 3: situation and to make pretend we're asking them to go
Speaker 3: to the EDGs. We don't ask normal people to do that.
Speaker 3: And not only that, we're asking them to do to
Speaker 3: go to the edge and then do it again and
Speaker 3: didn't do it again, and didn't do it again within
Speaker 3: the same two or three hours.
Speaker 2: You gotta be nuts. That is nuts.
Speaker 3: That's not how people are also nuts, Because do you
Speaker 3: remember the scene in TUTSI where Dustin Hoffman is walking
Speaker 3: down Fifth Avenue for the first time, Justice Tutzi and
Speaker 3: you can see him out of the crowd. The crowd
Speaker 3: is the world. The nut is who we're looking at.
Speaker 3: That's not right. The normality is you should be the
Speaker 3: guy over his left shoulder. That's normal. We're abnormal. In
Speaker 3: front of a camera, two people making out telling each
Speaker 3: other is such intimate things while behind the camera are
Speaker 3: fifty people. Who does that? There's fifty people watching. We
Speaker 3: don't see it with the audience. There's fifty to one
Speaker 3: hundred people behind the camera, and you're acting like an
Speaker 3: idiot in front.
Speaker 2: Of the camera.
Speaker 1: Well, then, in that sense, do you think is unrealistic
Speaker 1: this kind of new thing? Because everybody asked I bet
Speaker 1: you you get asked this all the time. If you
Speaker 1: mentioned George Clonin, he's a perfect example of it.
Speaker 2: Someone will say is he nice? Like what? All the time?
Speaker 2: He's like everybody else. He'll be nice.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he'll be a jerker, other times he'll get you'll
Speaker 1: get sad. But this whole idea, like if you if
Speaker 1: you meet Lemmy from Motorhead, people will say, was he nice?
Speaker 3: You go, I don't need him to be nice. He's
Speaker 3: Lemmy I don't need him to be nice, like Mick Jagger.
Speaker 2: Is he nice? I don't care. I don't care if
Speaker 2: he's nice.
Speaker 1: But niceness seems to be, you know, the single most
Speaker 1: valuable commodity, and I think it is because it's amplified
Speaker 1: now because of the ersatz fame that comes with social media,
Speaker 1: so that that kind of they're like famous for being
Speaker 1: exactly who you are, which I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's been that way since uh uh with the other
Speaker 1: newspapers that not the National guy.
Speaker 3: But but you know, Hollywood and stuff. You know, in
Speaker 3: the thirties when you learned about Jersey as stars. This
Speaker 3: was a way of making of selling movies and a
Speaker 3: way of selling movies stars, Hollywood confidential stuff like that,
Speaker 3: which have gone on and on and today are you
Speaker 3: know entertainment tonight. We want to get closer to these people.
Speaker 3: Oh why used to joke that when people saw George
Speaker 3: they wouldn't get They want to go up and maybe
Speaker 3: he'll rub off on me. They get to me, they go, oh,
Speaker 3: you know what, not too close in case it rubs off.
Speaker 3: But people want to know these people because it's somehow
Speaker 3: it gives them importance, important They met this person. They
Speaker 3: I mean, that's Steve Martin's card. It gives Hewy hands
Speaker 3: out cards. I met Steve Martin. I had an experience
Speaker 3: or I had a personal experience with Steve Martin. He
Speaker 3: doesn't sign autographs is when he gives away we do
Speaker 3: want that.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 3: I love my kids. I brag about who I saw
Speaker 3: that day. Today I was with Fred Armison, who I adore,
Speaker 3: who I love to love him I admire. I'm going
Speaker 3: to be working with him in a month. I love
Speaker 3: Fred Armison. I'm going to tell my kids they did.
Speaker 3: My kids are so tired of hearing me justify my
Speaker 3: importance by who I saw that day.
Speaker 2: They are so tired of it, so you can't.
Speaker 1: I was trying to actually get back to them when
Speaker 1: you were a kid though. I wanted to get the
Speaker 1: impulse and what makes the journey from a very like
Speaker 1: that's interesting.
Speaker 3: My grandparents, as I mentioned earlier, I came to New York.
Speaker 3: My grandparents took me to place all the time. They
Speaker 3: I was well educated in the arts. Oh, my daughter
Speaker 3: is calling in now from Spain, and you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. No, I'm talking to Craig ferguson Talk to her, Ah,
Speaker 3: it's calling from Madrid. I want to come back. As
Speaker 3: as Richard Kinines's children, they got it great. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: my kids too. She's on a semester abroad and she's
Speaker 3: having a great time. So they took me to Broadway shows.
Speaker 3: They took me to Leonard Bernstein's Young People's Concert. I
Speaker 3: had a magnificent upbringing. As far as culture, I think
Speaker 3: that's why I'm who I am today. And I emulated
Speaker 3: at the time Robert Preston, Zero Mustelle. These were heroes
Speaker 3: to me. I loved them. And then during school I
Speaker 3: did all the plays and I was the star. You know,
Speaker 3: I was good. I had a modicum of talent. I
Speaker 3: became much better within the past twenty years, but I
Speaker 3: had talent when I was a kid. My mom used
Speaker 3: to She didn't read that stuff, but she loved saying
Speaker 3: who she liked, or who she may have met, stuff
Speaker 3: like that, or who she went to college with, which
Speaker 3: at the time were so on high.
Speaker 2: And I look back and I go, really, you're bragging
Speaker 2: about him.
Speaker 3: But so and so went on a cruise and they met,
Speaker 3: believe it or not, Jerry Paris.
Speaker 2: I'll always remember that. The Alberts were on a cruise
Speaker 2: and met Jerry Paris and remained friends with him. What
Speaker 2: but I was struck by that.
Speaker 3: Then I grad I graduated from Northwestern, supposed to be
Speaker 3: a lawyer and go to business school and go into
Speaker 3: my dad's business. And my dad's best friend. I tell
Speaker 3: the story all the time, where it was Sunday afternoon
Speaker 3: watching football, and he said, you should try New York
Speaker 3: and give it a go, because when you're forty, you're
Speaker 3: going to resent your wife, You're going to resent your
Speaker 3: children that you did not give it a go, that
Speaker 3: you're still at the jewelry store selling, you know, being
Speaker 3: a businessman. You could have been an actor. So I
Speaker 3: did it, and I had talent. One year turned into
Speaker 3: two and three, and by the age of twenty nine
Speaker 3: point thirty, you should be going I don't like this
Speaker 3: life of suffering and I should be getting more work
Speaker 3: and people aren't appreciating me. That's when I went into
Speaker 3: Second City. So for four years I was acting every night,
Speaker 3: and I became better, and so I had no chance
Speaker 3: to leave.
Speaker 2: That year.
Speaker 3: Between twenty eight twenty nine and thirty three thirty four,
Speaker 3: I was taken care of. I was making a living
Speaker 3: in Chicago. I was famous. I was successful. I was
Speaker 3: downright successful. There were six people in the world who
Speaker 3: made a really good living acting or doing improvs and
Speaker 3: it was it was that second city, and I was
Speaker 3: one of the six.
Speaker 2: But a blessing that is a metal.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting in that time period you talk about, though,
Speaker 1: because that's my experience as well. It's like I had
Speaker 1: done stand up. I was doing stand up. I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like I was getting anywhere with it. And round
Speaker 1: about twenty nine I was like, actually, that's when.
Speaker 2: I go sober as well. I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: know about any of this.
Speaker 1: And in a very short space of time between twenty
Speaker 1: nine and thirty two, I went from falling down drunk
Speaker 1: in the street to a regular cast member on The
Speaker 1: Drew Carey Show in Los Angeles. From Glasgow to Los
Speaker 1: Angeles in that very short space of time.
Speaker 2: And I can tell how it happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I know, But it's at that age
Speaker 3: and if you don't hit it, you could become an agent,
Speaker 3: a writer, a producer. There's a what's his name, Danny
Speaker 3: Jacobson who created spin City and ran spin City I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: who created a man about you he was. He was
Speaker 3: a handsome stud of a guy. He was in Greece
Speaker 3: on Broadway and around that time after Greece and nothing happened,
Speaker 3: and that's when he became a comedy writer. Went to work.
Speaker 3: I was in and then became a really great comedy writer.
Speaker 3: You and I know, if you can do anything other
Speaker 3: than that, do it, anything anything other than that, do
Speaker 3: it for many reasons. Number one, you're never gonna give
Speaker 3: a perfect performance. And give a good performance, you'll never
Speaker 3: be perfect. You can always be better. But you'd be
Speaker 3: a good writer. You can be great.
Speaker 2: So he was lucky.
Speaker 3: He became a writer, producer and made a gazillion dollars.
Speaker 2: He's much wealthier than me. He was a on a
Speaker 2: successful TV show. He made millions. I am a thousand there.
Speaker 1: Successful act But your daughter's calling you from a said
Speaker 1: master abroad in Spain.
Speaker 3: Right, you know I'm one of the lucky ones. I
Speaker 3: guess there are ten movie stars.
Speaker 2: What are there?
Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty really big actors who make a decent, decent,
Speaker 3: good what a good businessman would make. Yeah, two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty. Maybe there's four hundred. Yeah, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: So it's very mercurial. It's very it comes and it goes.
Speaker 3: I mean there are and sometimes that you're talking about recently,
Speaker 3: you do seem.
Speaker 1: To be everywhere right now is interesting, But I've seen
Speaker 1: there have been parts of your career.
Speaker 3: If I use to look at your career, there have
Speaker 3: been moments in your career where you were everywhere. Like
Speaker 3: if I think of you late, I think it's maybe
Speaker 3: the late nineties, only two thousands, or maybe it's a
Speaker 3: bit later than that, you were everywhere.
Speaker 2: Then I remember you being everywhere.
Speaker 3: Craig, I'm the lucky guy. I've worked consistently. You haven't
Speaker 3: always seen me, but I've been doing shows. You do
Speaker 3: a TV show, millions watching you do a show nine
Speaker 3: hundred to twelve hundred people are watching you, or you're
Speaker 3: doing a show for ninety people or three hundred.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. I'm always working.
Speaker 3: I'm not always making a lot of money, and not
Speaker 3: a lot of people are seeing me, and I'm not
Speaker 3: famous during those years when everybody's going, aren't you acting anymore?
Speaker 2: I'm always acting. I always am acting. I just am.
Speaker 2: Are you are your kids drunk to you? I'm a
Speaker 2: good father.
Speaker 3: Congratulation No, No, I know no, but I kid, come,
Speaker 3: I go. My kids were blessed with no talent, so
Speaker 3: I got I'm very lucky. They don't like that joke.
Speaker 3: But it's the truth. That's interesting. That's interesting. It's a
Speaker 3: funny thing, though, would because I remember working with kid
Speaker 3: actors in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I didn't like working with them mine. I didn't like
Speaker 2: being a red cand actors.
Speaker 3: I remember saying to the they would always say to
Speaker 3: the parents, why do you let your kid be an
Speaker 3: actor in Hollywood?
Speaker 1: And what did they say? They always say the same thing.
Speaker 1: They always say they want to do it. They want
Speaker 1: to do it, And I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, that's not a reason to let a kid do
Speaker 3: a thing because they want to do it.
Speaker 4: That's the opposite. My kids want to eat skintles for breakfast.
Speaker 4: They say the same thing. You think my kids want
Speaker 4: to eat vegetables. They'd rather have cotton candy. It's it's
Speaker 4: they don't they don't know what the hell they want.
Speaker 4: They want to do it.
Speaker 3: Now, there's a couple of things as you bring that
Speaker 3: in about child actors. I don't like child actors. I
Speaker 3: don't I liked Fred Savage. I worked with Fred Savage.
Speaker 3: He was one of the kid, And of course you
Speaker 3: come across a couple, I instantly.
Speaker 2: Don't like the parents. Instantly, that's on me.
Speaker 3: They may be great people, but I instantly don't like
Speaker 3: the parents. And I'll tell you something else. I had
Speaker 3: a therapist whose daughter said she wanted to be an actress.
Speaker 3: Hell oh, letter, letter, don't let her get money the
Speaker 3: minute money comes into it, all of a sudden, there
Speaker 3: are consequences and there's competition in ways that are not healthy.
Speaker 3: Let her do community theater, go do school plays. Let
Speaker 3: her put on plays, pay for them.
Speaker 2: Do what.
Speaker 3: Let her act that she wants that. Let her act.
Speaker 3: She wants to be famous, she wants to be on TV.
Speaker 3: That's what she wants.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what I think, because nowadays, I always
Speaker 1: thought doing stand up comedy for me was kind of
Speaker 1: like being a job, like a realtor.
Speaker 2: No one grows up wanting to be a realtor, but
Speaker 2: it's a pretty good job. It's other things don't work out.
Speaker 2: But no, you get people who want to be stand
Speaker 2: up comedians. I like, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, eight year old's, ten year olds, I
Speaker 3: think they want to be stand ups.
Speaker 2: I think he's crazy. I don't necessarily agree with you.
Speaker 3: I understand that that's how you felt, but I believe
Speaker 3: they do. Jeff Garland tells the story that his parents
Speaker 3: took him at like an age ten to see Jimmy Duranty.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: And the ride home he says, does he get paid
Speaker 3: for that? And they go yeah, he goes, that's what
Speaker 3: I want to do.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. Yeah, yeah, I know my experience with
Speaker 1: that at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did not want to be Zero my I didn't.
Speaker 3: I loved Zero Mysel, I loved Robert Presiding. They affected me.
Speaker 3: But when I got to be seventeen eighteen, I wanted
Speaker 3: to do what they did. You know. I always wanted
Speaker 3: to be an actor, but I always wanted to be
Speaker 3: Look how many kids want to be a baseball player.
Speaker 2: How many kids want to be a fireman? You know?
Speaker 3: And I say in my when I used to lie
Speaker 3: in bed when I was fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old,
Speaker 3: you know, kids want to dream of being center fielder
Speaker 3: for the for the Yankees. I dreamt of being in
Speaker 3: a Stanley Kubrick movie, in an original uh Stephen Sondheim,
Speaker 3: how Prince musical, and a Woody Allen movie. That's what
Speaker 3: I dreamt about. That's what happened to have you. Okay,
Speaker 3: here's what it is. My joke is I I was
Speaker 3: in an original Stephen Sondheim how Prince musical. I was
Speaker 3: the lead Delete me who sings the way that I
Speaker 3: said I could sing, not sing Sondheime, But I did
Speaker 3: so I did that. I was never in a Woody
Speaker 3: Allen movie, and even after Stanley Kubrick died, I thought
Speaker 3: I'd have a better chance of being in a Stanley
Speaker 3: Kubrick movie than a Woody Allen movie. And then finally,
Speaker 3: Woody Allen did put me in a movie. You never
Speaker 3: heard of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's called Rifkin's Festival, and it was it was fun.
Speaker 2: It was fun. Nobody saw it. You know.
Speaker 3: It's now it's now during his uh uh you know
Speaker 3: me too, a series of movies.
Speaker 2: But that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. Did you grow? Did you become friends
Speaker 1: with him?
Speaker 2: Is he? Is he a friend? I can't sell.
Speaker 3: I can't say I was friends with him, But whenever
Speaker 3: I saw him, he knew who I was because I
Speaker 3: had auditioned for him a few times. And he's very,
Speaker 3: uh shockingly popular culture savvy, he watches a lot of TV.
Speaker 3: He knows a lot of stuff. Look, anybody who saw
Speaker 3: a serious man, anybody who's doing saw a serious man.
Speaker 3: You know that he saw a serious man. And I
Speaker 3: think he liked me. Uh, and then he cast me.
Speaker 2: He can't good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good. I had a great time. And
Speaker 3: in fact, there was one moment. It was a dinner scene.
Speaker 3: A lot of the people in the cast a very
Speaker 3: small part, but I remember certain things. I remember specifically.
Speaker 3: So at one point I was doing the my my
Speaker 3: lines and I was doing that and he says, that's great, Richard,
Speaker 3: that's great. Don't hit the joke. I knew exactly what
Speaker 3: he was or, don't hit the line. I knew exactly
Speaker 3: what he was talking about exactly, and.
Speaker 2: He was right. I hit. I hit the joke.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's explain hitting the joke to me? What does
Speaker 1: that mean? If I like you? You you played it
Speaker 1: like it was a joke rather than a piece of.
Speaker 2: Let's say, boy, it was a funny line that should
Speaker 2: have been conversational, and I knew it was funny.
Speaker 3: I hit the funny. Let the let the funny sit.
Speaker 3: He was right, and I can and I cringe.
Speaker 2: To this day.
Speaker 3: For having made that choice, I knew exactly what he
Speaker 3: was talking about, exactly exactly. In the old days, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been able to know. I knew exactly what
Speaker 3: he's talking about. The other thing is is I was
Speaker 3: doing the scene. I was saying the lines, and he
Speaker 3: came out of the uh uh you know, the village
Speaker 3: video village from a tent, and he was laughing and
Speaker 3: he was happy. He says, good job, and then he
Speaker 3: went back and everybody looked at me, and he goes.
Speaker 3: He never does that. He never comes out and says
Speaker 3: that was good or we're laughing, said it was good,
Speaker 3: said it was good, See it was good. See.
Speaker 1: You're different to me, because if he had done that
Speaker 1: to me, I think, I don't thought I'm going to
Speaker 1: get fired. If he never does that and he's done it,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get I'm going to get fired.
Speaker 2: That's what it is. I have it. I think I
Speaker 2: have a restrust Craig. I was good. I knew I
Speaker 2: was not good. That was good. No, no, no, I
Speaker 2: knew that at that particular moment. I knew I was good.
Speaker 2: I knew it was good. Yeah, I know, well you
Speaker 2: are good.
Speaker 3: I know what stuff is good? Sometimes I still have
Speaker 3: to hear it. I still have to hear it. How
Speaker 3: was that do? Is that what you wanted? Sometimes when
Speaker 3: i'm really path really pathetic, I'll say, when I know
Speaker 3: it's good, I'll go to the director, go is that good?
Speaker 2: That's pathetic to me? And I know it it's horrible.
Speaker 2: I don't think so horrible. I don't think so horrible.
Speaker 2: I tell you what I think.
Speaker 1: I remember once having there was a bunch of musicians
Speaker 1: I was doing. I had been directing a movie and
Speaker 1: I there was a score the London Philarmonic and Abbey
Speaker 1: Roads Studios and they were doing the score for the
Speaker 1: movie and the conductor was conducting them in the worl grape.
Speaker 2: I was the director of a movie. What the big movie?
Speaker 2: But they but we got the.
Speaker 1: Orchestra cheat And I went out to the London Fello
Speaker 1: after they were finished, and I stood up with the conductor,
Speaker 1: uh stands and I said, I know you're all professional musicians.
Speaker 1: I know that you do this day in and day out,
Speaker 1: and that it's not romantic to you. But I have
Speaker 1: to tell you what you people do is otherworldly, and
Speaker 1: I cannot be express how much gratitude I feel for you,
Speaker 1: your skill and your talent and being here today. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got paid. But I just can't do. And I
Speaker 1: could tell because I know people, I've worked with people.
Speaker 1: I could tell by being honestly enthusiastic and grateful for
Speaker 1: what they've done.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't love hearing that? Who doesn't love a boy
Speaker 1: a pat in the back and say you're great?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh, I absolutely, Oh, I think that. I think that's
Speaker 3: I didn't know where your story was going, But I
Speaker 3: think I think I do that a lot. I think
Speaker 3: I tell people my gratitude, my appreciations for what they do,
Speaker 3: absolutely all the time. Absolutely, I do see and.
Speaker 2: I don't see.
Speaker 3: What I mean is I don't see anything pathetic about
Speaker 3: wanting not for yourself.
Speaker 2: I think that I agree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was pathetic is that I knew I was
Speaker 3: good and still know what. I still went fishing, still
Speaker 3: still went fishing for the compliment.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I can fish anyway. You are wonderful.
Speaker 3: I remained the enormous fan of your work, and because
Speaker 3: you were always really kind to me when I was
Speaker 3: on your show.
Speaker 2: That was on your show about three times, and.
Speaker 3: What time I think I did a bit for you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and yeah, you're always great. Your comedy was great. You
Speaker 3: are uh there's you're not snarky, you you you're you know.
Speaker 3: It's I think you want. I think you can. I
Speaker 3: think you know snarky. I think you know the area
Speaker 3: code of it all. And you can be not sarcastic,
Speaker 3: but you can be you can poke fun but never meanly.
Speaker 3: I say, I think the world of your comedy. Thought,
Speaker 3: I thought you were great, certainly great, and thanks and
Speaker 3: thank you for sort of introducing me to my wife
Speaker 3: sort of. Oh no, no, no, I'm taking full responsibility.
Speaker 3: I deserve to have a Christmas or ornament on your tree.
Speaker 3: I deserve a Christmas you know what it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: It's gonna I'm gonna have hope so constructed for this year.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your enjoy.
Speaker 2: However, it will be round, so don't make my face
Speaker 2: too fat.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, Okay, it would be appropriately jolly for Christmas.
Speaker 3: Fine, okay, Craig. I what a pleasure to talk to you.
Speaker 3: It's very nice.
Speaker 2: It's a joy for me. Thank you, Rachel, thank you
Speaker 2: so much. You bet