WEBVTT - Richard Kind 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.400 The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.880 It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.480 it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.800 on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me, 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.520 buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.400 see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.880 I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.160 you should at least know what's happening, and it is. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.160 The tour kicks off late September and goes through the 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:34.000 end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.960 the Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash tour. They are 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.080 available at the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.960 or at your local outlet in your region. My name 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:49.040 is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.640 I talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:00.360 My guest on the Joy podcast today is a gentleman 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.200 who holds a very special. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:03.000 Place in my heart. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.399 Not only is he a fabulous actor there's been in 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.840 all the good things, but he also has a very 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:17.200 significant small part in my own personal story, and you're 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.759 about to find out what that is, along with a 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:26.080 great many other things about the fabulously interesting, very original, lovely, 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.960 super talented, famous actor Richard Kind. 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.560 I'm in New England. Are you in New York? I 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.959 am where? Well, I'm not going to tell you. I'll 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:45.559 tell you after. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.720 Oh right, okay, yeah, because now we're on the Yeah, 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:50.720 I'm in New England. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.240 That's very lovely. Yeah, no, it's very nice. But of 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:55.760 course I live. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.160 In New York now too. No, I didn't know that. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.320 Well, I'm moving back to the city. I'm moving back 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.000 to the Upper east Side. Okay, because you're on the 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.120 Upper west Side, Upper west Side. Yes, I think of 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.120 you as the quintessential New Yorker, which I know that 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:12.400 you were born. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.280 I wasn't born here. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.160 I lived years and years in lah Yeah, I'm an 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.320 Upper Whenever I lived in New York, I lived Upper 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.680 west Side. I lived downtown for a while during spin City. 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.560 But yeah, Upper west Side is the best. It's where 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:27.600 to raise my kids. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:28.079 Well. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.720 And also I think of you as being the quintessential 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:34.280 New Yorker. For a very specific moment in time ahead 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:34.720 to could. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:35.360 So. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.600 Do you remember when you were doing The Producers on Broadway? 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:40.320 Sure? 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.360 Right, And I came to see you in that show Broadway. Yeah, 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.600 I came to seeing that show and I came to 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.040 see you in that show, and very briefly afterwards, I 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.120 came back and I said, Hi. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:53.720 You probably don't remember that because it was a lot 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:54.440 of stuff going on. 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.119 Well, funnily enough, I came back, I said hi after 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:59.680 the show, and you were great in the show. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.679 Great, And I came back to tell you that. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.320 And then after that I went uptown because I had 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.680 to do a thing, and I went to this event 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.960 uptown called New Yorkers for Children, where I met a 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.640 woman that very night who I'm still married to. 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:23.080 Always that fantastic? Is that the story? That is great? 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.960 I know that is great, But seriously, how was I 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:27.720 You were great? 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:28.480 You were great? 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.799 You're getting it was a high point of the evening, 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:33.919 so you might have been in a good mood. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:35.680 I think I was. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.080 I think you cheered me up. I think it was. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.440 It was a very funny. It is a very funny show. 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.360 So wonderful. Was it your first time seeing the show? 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.080 It was the first time seeing it live. 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.600 I'd seen obviously the movie, but i'd never seen, never 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:48.400 seen the musical. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:53.040 Okay, yeah, great. Oh that's a wonderful story, isn't it. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.880 I'm so happy for you. Oh great. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:01.600 So in our family every year on Christmas Eve, we 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.640 have a photograph of you on our Christmas tree and 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:09.560 all that, and the children saying thank you that this 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:09.760 is a. 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:10.760 Joke, this is a joke. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.520 Okay, good, thank God, thank God. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:14.800 No. 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.640 But you famous? I mean you're famous an You're the 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:23.560 famous actor Richard Kind. But okay, okay, but you're very, 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.479 very very famous in our family because the night I 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.320 went to see Richard Kind of Producers, I met the mother. 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.760 I embraced that reality. That is fantastic. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.039 Well that's a very special place in in my heart. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.640 But you, I think of you as being a Broadway guy, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.640 But I suppose you're not really a Broadway guy. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:45.080 Really. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.760 I mean, when you are, you're a Broadway guy, you're 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:48.480 an actor, you do all of those things. 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:49.440 Right, I kind of tell you. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.839 I was forty five years old when I made my 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:57.800 Broadway debut, but I've been going to Broadway play since 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.080 I was seven. I go, I see every thing, and 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.320 I do plays all the time. I do a play 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.839 a year, easily a play a year, but it was 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.800 very late because I kept wanting to be an actor, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.520 and I never thought, well, I was in second city. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.120 I just thought I had to go. I had to 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:17.359 do it. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:18.880 I had to make my mark, I had to do 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.120 TV at the movies, and I always thought that Broadway 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.679 would take me away from it, even though I loved 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:29.000 doing Broadway. But Broadway meant a year of being in 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.200 that particular show, which I did not want to do. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.120 I don't like the way a Broadway. Is it so 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.480 an ecosystem as well? 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.000 Like there are people who exist only in Broadway, who 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.719 are like massive stars in Broadway, and then you get 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.919 to you know, halfway along Pennsylvania. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.120 And people don't know where they are. I mean, is 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.839 it's exactly you know I'm trying to say. 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.240 People think, oh, you're really having a moment now and 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:51.920 everything like that. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:52.680 No, I'm not. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.200 I have been working as much now as I have 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.920 been my whole career. It says the platforms are larger 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:04.240 and are getting attention, and there were bigger stars, but 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.520 I've been doing this just like this for a long 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.679 long time. It's just that now people are seeing it more. Well, 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.119 it's funny. I feel like maybe I have a different 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:15.840 perception of view. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.120 I think of you as being a big star since 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.560 the nineteen ninety since spent thy Since. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.800 You're wrong, No, and I are wrong. I am. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.680 I'm a go to character actor along with about fifteen 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.839 or twenty others who beat me out for parts regularly, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:33.600 people who I admire. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.120 I'm somebody who. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.200 If you see me, if the normal guy sees me, 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.320 they know my face, they can't place it. They certainly 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.320 don't know my name, But more and more lately they're 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.320 knowing my name. But it was always used to joke. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.800 They would see me, they go, but did I go 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.920 to high school with you? Am I related to you? 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.400 Do you owe me money? It's one of those they 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:05.000 can't place it. Now they are more or less able 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.000 to place it. And I'll tell you this, Well you 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:13.040 might even know this. What's your off TV? A year later? 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.880 They don't know you? No, that's true. Well, no, they 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.600 do not know you. That used to be true until 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:29.520 YouTube and the Internet created a whole new repeat structure 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.240 for old shows, like I stopped doing my Late ninth 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:37.800 show ten years ago. Ten years ago, I stopped ten 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.160 years ago, and I still get people coming to live 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.040 shows who clearly never weren't old enough to watch me 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.120 when I was doing the show. Who say, I watch 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.240 you on YouTube like I'm someone who does a YouTube channel. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:56.160 I okay, you do have them what you had Like 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.400 when I was on Spin City. Yeah, millions of people 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:04.040 watch you now now thousands watch on YouTube. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.040 We used to have millions. 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.320 Okay, the glory because I was doing the Drew Carry 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:10.520 show at the same time you were doing. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.800 That's true, that's true. Well, okay, Drew Carry was huge. 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.760 That was huge for you. But but no, here's what 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.800 I'm saying is is after I did let's say, Spin City, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.440 I really would get people going, aren't you acting anymore? 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.120 Yeah? It was. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.280 It's silly you Literally they go, I go, I am, 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.280 You're just not watching the channels I'm on and when 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:38.160 And I still get it and I just go, am 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.640 I not acting? I'm on everything all the time, on 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:47.120 everything now everything You're on, all the good things, the building. Correct, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.040 You're always on John Mulaney, that John Mullaney all in. 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:55.200 Everybody's in LA. I'm all over the place. And somebody 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.800 will really ask me nowadays, aren't you acting anymore, and 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.559 I'm I'm mystified, Well, who is. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.480 This asshole that got to be? Many of those people 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:06.200 got his name. 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.800 I took his name and I found that and he 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.040 and I are having lunch and I'm going to go 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.680 through and we're going to go through my IMDb page. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.080 It's a funny thing because people people sometimes will get annoyed. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.680 I've noticed that if they say to you, hey, where 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.760 do I know you from? And you're like, I don't 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:25.960 want to, I don't know. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.640 That's the worst, you know what I but I now 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.640 have a thing. I say, uh, you know, I go, 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:34.679 what do you do for a liberty? He goes, I'm 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.679 a dentist. What was the name of the last person 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:38.439 he gave a crown to? 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:39.880 That's what I give. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.360 That's what I say, or I'll just say they literally 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.080 me right now. They go, what do I know you're from? 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:50.160 And I go, everything, Just look up my IMDb page. Yeah, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.280 well you are kind of in everything. I mean now 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.200 I'm in when I talked when I when you turned 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.480 up and only murders in the building, I thought, oh, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.880 really really that, I mean, how how long did that take? 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:01.760 Two seasons? 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.120 Well, here's the thing. Is that you know, people ask 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.960 why don't you want to murders in the building? I go, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:08.960 because they haven't asked me. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:10.439 All they got to do. 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.640 Is ask me, So we have to three seasons they 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:14.080 asked me. 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:15.520 You're right. Yeah. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:15.840 Yeah. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.880 It's a funny thing, though, isn't it? 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:22.600 Because I think fame and it's particularly proper actors like you, 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.360 who are like real actors who do it. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.920 It's a thing, and it's a craft and. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.000 A job and an art that you really care about, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:34.040 and fame almost seems like a like a byproduct, like 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.880 it's not. I don't think of you as someone who look, 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.320 maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think of you as 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:43.680 someone who who courted being famous. It's more about being 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.520 famous as a byproduct of what you do. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:47.719 And they don't know you. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.320 They know who you play, because who you play, you 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.360 play a very vary bunch of people. 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.760 Yeah. I like to say that. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.520 I do. When I was a kid and I lay 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:03.600 in bed dreaming of fame, and I did. I dreamt 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.360 of being an actor. I dreamt of being famous. When 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.160 I got angry at my parents and thought about running away. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:14.800 My my note to my parents, I'll show you note 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.200 was I'm on the movie screen and I'm talking to them, going, 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.600 I'll show you you didn't let me go out and 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.640 me with my friends today, And I'll show you and 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.600 I you know you wanted to run away. This was 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.240 my my What do you say? What's the kind of 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:30.840 note you write when you're. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:33.200 My runaway note? 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:37.679 My runaway note was a And so I did want 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.440 to be a star when I was younger, and then 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.800 I started acting, started having a career, and I realized 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:47.160 I want to be a good actor. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.040 And I'll tell you this too. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.839 As you probably know, because you know a lot of 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:59.000 people who have achieved great fame, fame is a prison. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.720 Anybody who goes after fame is a fool. 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:07.559 Therefore, absolutely, how do you how do you convince a 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:11.560 young person that fame should not be your goal, not 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.319 only that, stay far away from it. 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.560 You know why, if I could redo it, if I 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.599 could relive my life, I would try and find a 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:23.760 profession that had zero visibility, that had oh no no, oh, 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.960 Craig please, no no no, no, no, no no no why, 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.360 or a dry cleaner or a. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.880 Hit man that I have to stay out of everybody's way, yes, no, no, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:39.480 no ah, Look, I I do. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:43.200 Like people coming up to me and saying they like me. 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.360 With my ex wife, we would be walking down the 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:51.480 street and we'd be arguing and somebody would go, oh, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.840 I love you, and I go, honey, please see so 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:00.920 ah it's I do like people coming up and saying 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.240 and giving me affirmation. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:03.439 It does make me happy. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.480 She used to say, how can you have a bad 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.920 day people come up to you like that? What are 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.440 you out of your mind? But I do happen to 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:14.640 like affirmation. I love applause. It's one reason why I 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:19.600 like theater. I like, you know, while you're on stage, 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.640 forget the applause. You can hear them listening. You can 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:29.880 hear them understanding what you're saying and connecting. And it's 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.560 not with sound. You just feel it. It's a wonderful feeling. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.600 When I do single camera, I can't feel anything. They 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.680 yell cut and I go, was that any good? I 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.880 don't know. I want to hear. I want a symbiotic 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.520 relationship with the audience. You do it with your stand up. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.720 You certainly did it on your talk. So yeah, But 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.880 I wonder if if that is that something that you're 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.520 lacking and not you Is that something that one is 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:00.000 lacking in passional relationships that you're looking for an app 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.560 animation a single person can give you. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.160 I can't give you. Absolutely. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:08.120 There are other ways of finding satisfaction in the world 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.000 and people who, as you just said, if I could 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:16.000 sun the public life and find satisfaction that whole thing. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:22.040 But I don't. I know my makeup is I like 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:26.200 this affirmation. It makes me happy. Applause. All that stuff 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.000 makes me happy. As I get older, Okay, I can 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.880 leave it all behind, but I still like it. I 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:38.840 still I don't the amounts that that bottomless hole of 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.600 affirmation has been filled up a lot. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:43.480 I'm okay. 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.840 I think that's quite interesting because also the idea of 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.760 I've talked to quite a few people, very successful people 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:59.360 like you, about ambition and what it looks like when 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:03.800 you're young, like my the ambition that that I felt 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:05.160 when I was young, and I've heard a lot of 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.640 people say had a sort of sort of and even 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.960 the runaway no story and how to kind of anger, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.920 a kind of a kind of fucked you about it. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.080 And well that that that that that's what those famously 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.000 the comedians will say, I killed them, I slayed them. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:20.880 I had them in the aisle. 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:25.040 That's like, I need you, but I hate you, and 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:26.680 I because I hate needing you. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:32.160 Yeah, I need them, I do. I still need them 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:33.760 as much as you did. Do you think. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.960 No, no, no, But when I act, I do. I 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:43.119 don't need them off stage as much. But when I'm acting, Yeah, 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.480 I need somebody to say that's great. I always say 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.360 I have an enormous ego and no confidence. Yeah I 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:54.360 need I need to be told you're doing good. I 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.680 also have a friend who did say, and I do 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:01.040 believe this. I may not always be great, but I 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.200 don't think I can suck anymore. Yeah, you know, I think. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.800 I think, I think I got it. I made a 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.320 great and I yearned for great. I really do. Sure, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.920 I really do. Uh and not for the fay but 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.560 the money or anything. I really want to do a 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.040 good job. Sure, I feel the same way. I never 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.840 began each stand up show by tailing the audience. How 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.920 long I've been doing it, a number of awards, and 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.640 you know a rough idea of how much money I've made, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.680 and and that's so. So if the show sucks tonight, 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.760 it's not me, it's just not Oh that's funny. Well, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:41.760 that's hilarious. I would never say that, but so so. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.840 In other words, I've got it all. I've had my affirmation. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:45.920 This is on you. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:47.120 It's so on you. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.920 This is let's see how you do. You paid your money. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.000 I'm going to do my very best for you. But 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.240 if it's you don't like it, that's because you don't 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.320 like it than me. I'll do it. That's hilarious. I 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.640 think that's great. That's bad, fantastic. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.080 Did you and I mean it too? Actually no, no, 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.399 I mean it sounds very I don't. I I do 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.240 not feel that way. There are nights that you're better 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:15.639 than other nights. You're just better, but you're not always 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.400 in charge of how the perception of that. Because I've 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.480 done this probably the night I came to see you, 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.399 and producers, you know that. You You you say to 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.439 an actor backstage or you've been on stage yourself, and 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.199 you tell them how great they were, and they'll say, oh, no, 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.480 you should have been here last night. Last night is 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.400 much better, and you've got to stop doing that. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.040 You you do well. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:38.719 I'll tell you why I have to stop doing that 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.440 is because then that person feels he's been seated m 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.080 hm and so it makes that person feel worse and 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.720 it and it's it may not be true about me. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:51.080 Uh. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:59.440 And the degree that you were better or worse is minuscule, 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.880 really miniscule. I could ask for another take, a second take, 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.960 and you put him side by side. You can't. You 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.840 can't tell the difference, right, you just you can't. A 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.479 good director can or sometimes do that. But most takes 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.760 they got it, you do have or it's or let 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:26.840 me put it this way, it's sufficient. Another take maybe 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:32.959 perfect and better. The other one was sufficient, But especially 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.639 if you're talking about a take, but directors looking at 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.800 and going that book behind Richard there, I don't. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.679 Like that book there. Control of that. I have no 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:42.359 control of that. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.560 I'm talking about whether or not I hooked in with 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.000 what is needed emotionally, what what I had in my eyes? Yeah, 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.439 stuff there, stuff like that that that nobody's diffident. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:54.679 What doesn't that? 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:56.879 Isn't that frustrating as an actor if you do a 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.440 very good take and you have lovely all the things 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.040 you want, and you rise and stuff, and then someone says, 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.960 that was great, but we heard that guy sneeze, Yeah, 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:06.720 let's do it again. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:07.639 Kills me. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:15.960 That that that kills me because that moment in a bottle, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:21.080 you know, to do to capture that that's precious and 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:22.720 you got it because there was a hair. 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.720 In the lens, you know, and the lens or whatever 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.920 it is. You go, ah, why, I don't think that anymore. 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:30.959 I don't think you are. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:37.400 I do know that Brando used to give his cinematographers 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:41.000 a bottle of champagne on the first day of the shooting, 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.520 and he would go up to him and say, if 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.600 it's not good, look at me, or if I think 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:52.960 it's not good, look at me, and the cameraman will 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:53.800 take the blame for. 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.840 We got to do another. That's kind of clever. And 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.760 thought I thought that was very smart. You know what 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:01.240 to watch another? 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:07.760 Yeah, I remember watching a couple of very clever women actors. 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:11.159 We'vecome the actresses that I worked with over the years 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.439 who on the first day of shooting would go to 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.480 the DP. It was usually a man, and they would 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:21.560 flirt with the DP immediately. They would establish a relationship 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.719 with the DP, and I was like, what hell? And 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.919 I figured that the relationship over time. It was a 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.639 very kind of I have to look good and you 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:32.000 have to make me look good. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:33.960 Times very interesting. There's more. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.080 The politics of a set are far more complex than 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:41.480 I think people understand, especially for things like the soundman 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.719 makes he says there's a bad noise and you know 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.280 we can't get around it, or the airplane or the 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:51.640 guy sneezes. Do you remember that time Christian Bale got 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.320 into trouble because there was a he was doing a 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.359 I think it was a mane. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:57.560 Maybe, I think so. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.480 I do remember, and he yelled that someone for screwing 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.040 up a take. And I remember because I was doing 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:05.879 late Night at the time, and I remember sticking up 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:09.640 for him. You ask a guy, You ask a guy 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:11.720 to go to the edge of what you can do, 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.919 to take himself to the edge of psychosis and let 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:15.960 it be recorded. 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.840 And then you got upset with him. 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:22.160 If he's upset while he's doing that, it seems ill 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:22.560 with you. 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:30.040 Standard I am with you now that now he got angry. Look, 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.960 I'm all for getting angry too. And yeah, and I'm 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:40.400 going to tell you something else. The guys who who 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.000 went to work for Scott Ruten, and Scott Ruten was 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.920 horrible to them and blah blah blah. Yeah, II go, 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:51.840 don't work for him. This is how he operates. Ye, what, 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:56.200 you're walking into a blind alley. No, it's it's like saying, 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.719 I heard them grenades go off, I saw the bombs. 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.080 I saw all the soulsers running. I said, you know what, 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:03.879 I'm going to go to the other side of the street. 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.920 Don't work for them a certain way. 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.520 There's there's been quite a low on that recently. I 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.280 feel like the pendulum swinging the other way. 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.960 Don't worry. We got a president will take care of it. 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:24.399 Don't you that that won't shit? Oh please, it's all 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.600 going to be taken care of. Yes it is, Yes 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.520 it is. What about the what about the origins of it? 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.480 For you? You don't come from a shoebiz family, do you? No, 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:34.280 not at all. 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:44.560 I think that the origins hold on. I gotta sneeze. 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:53.439 I didn't see that there ones of which, oh so 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.560 ones of which two acaus threes of disappointment. 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:56.840 That's the rules of sneezing. 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.960 Oh no, oh god, well, no, wonder my life is 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:00.840 a disappointment. 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:04.440 Sneeze You always sneeze three times. 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:08.240 Always always needs three times. Really, that doesn't seem possible. 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:12.760 You can't always see three times. Craig I'm special. This 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:14.080 is what sets me apart. 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.879 Do you have the like specialities at the bottom of 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.520 your resume? Absolutely, you know, oh it's fight well, at 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.120 the bottom of my resume. I always say my specialties, 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.359 my biggest talent. Friends with George Clooney, that's my biggest talent. 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.240 That's my biggest Are you still friends with George Clinney? 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:33.840 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't like to talk 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.760 about it. He gets enough enough. No, I don't like 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.080 that do anything. But yeah, yeah, remember, of course I am. 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.520 What I remember about Clooney is I'll talk about him 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:46.760 for a minute because when Clooney was doing er, I 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:48.760 was doing the Drew Carey Show, right. 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.719 And the trailers were saying that Warner Brothers. 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.960 Yeah, he George would play basketball every day every day 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:57.600 and he would go over and play basketball. 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.440 We'd come back and all the women hanging out with 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.159 trailers and watch him go play basketball. Cal that's funny. 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:07.960 But he was and that's when his star was really 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:10.800 beginning to you know, TV doctor. 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.280 And he was great, and he was always great and 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:14.680 he was. 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:19.320 And I no, no, no, no, no, he was not always great. 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:22.080 He was always great to us. He was always great. Person. 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.040 He was always great. He's always great. 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:26.440 Oh, since I know him, he was a great man, 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:28.480 a great level moral man. 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:28.840 Yeah. 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:32.639 Yeah, And and then that's what I mean. That's why 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.320 I don't judge anybody on the right. And I'm no judge. 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.520 I don't know that if you judge George Clooney on 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.280 his uh, I'm the man you'll find no better. 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.800 No, No, that's what That's what I always thought. 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:46.680 He was like a really decent And I've never heard 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.119 a bad story about him either, which in Hollywood is 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.560 kind of like him and Henry Winkler. 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:55.600 I think that's it. And Richard kind Have you heard 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:56.520 a bad story about me? 0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:58.760 No? I actually I haven't heard a bad the story 0:24:58.760 --> 0:24:58.879 of it. 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.040 I don't know bad stories about me. I can think 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.240 I feel bad about things, but I don't think people 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:06.879 have bad stories about me. 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:10.520 I find myself on it. 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.760 But I feel guilty when I do do something wrong, 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:18.440 when when inside I know I've I've yelled at somebody 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:21.600 around nasty, but they don't know it. 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.000 But I feel bad. I do well. 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.159 I think that I think that you're allowed to be human. 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.440 I know is when I was doing the Late Night Show. 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:32.160 What I know is is because I met everybody. Everybody 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:36.840 like everybody comes through and. 0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:40.800 The mene to douchebag ratio was exactly the same as 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:42.040 any other walk in life. 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:43.320 I think that's true. 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.439 You know, it's just that some people were great, some 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:47.320 people were assholes. 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:49.879 Well, actually I disagree with that. 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:54.600 What One of the reasons why I think children should 0:25:54.600 --> 0:26:00.280 not be actors, right, is because you are treating hid 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:04.960 differently by other people. On accountant does a good job, 0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:09.080 you thank him. You know you have every profession, you 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.320 thank him. Thank you for doing a good job. Oh 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:13.760 my gosh, you went out of your way. You're fabulous 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:17.199 as a doctor. I owe you my life. Blah blah blah. 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:23.679 But an actor gets blind adoration, ad a ration, and 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:29.240 a child who goes to set, They all the adults 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.680 on set open doors for a kid. Can I get 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:40.520 you any water? They they cowtow to a child. They'll 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:42.679 open the door when a child should be opening a 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:47.959 door for an adult. And children should be beaten up 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:52.080 at school or should be you know, kept in their 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:57.879 place by their friends, and on set it's the opposite, 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:03.159 and they feel that they are elevated in the world. 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:10.359 I know this because I would come home and my 0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.680 kids would go, Daddy, can he get me some water? 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:18.200 And I'm going, no, you get me water, but they don't. 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:19.880 I get my kids water. 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.520 You know, it's funny. It's funny. I remember that. 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.120 When I was doing Late Night, my kids were very young, 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.879 Like at the very beginning, I was still changing diapers, 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:35.040 so I would I'd be talking to these fabulously glamorous 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:38.760 people and then really within three or four minutes, I'd 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:40.920 be in my office changing a diaper and I can't 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.119 get absolutely wrestling. 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.920 Of the baby seat and going back home. Oh yeah, 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.280 my kids make fun of me. My dad. 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:53.440 My son who's nineteen, literally will put his hands, going, Dad, 0:27:54.160 --> 0:28:00.520 why do you talk? He's hilarious. I did what you're 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:05.000 talking about. I go, hey, I'm a national treasure, national treasure. 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.679 How dot like that? No, of course I'm not a 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.440 national I know that. And to them, I'm their dad, 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.919 Yes I'm not. You know, we have we have to 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.000 take stocking ourselves. But if you but an actor keeps 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.960 getting told oh you're wonderful, Oh I love you, Oh 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.159 you bring me such joy, They're going to go around 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:32.480 thinking that so that develops into a just it can 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.560 it can? It can if you yes, if you do 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.480 know so, the ratio is not the same. 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:44.160 I think my feeling is it actually was, because first 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:45.520 of all, I didn't talk to a lot of kid 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:47.480 actors the well. 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:48.640 I what I did do? 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:53.520 No, I'm talking about adult actors too. Well, an adult 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.080 actor isn't going to be lousy to you. He's about 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:59.120 to talk to you for twelve minutes. Why would they 0:28:59.160 --> 0:28:59.840 be true? 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.400 But everybody talks to each other, like the guy who's 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.280 like bringing them from the Lemmo end of the dressing room. 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.400 I know this guy. We talked to each other every day. 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:10.840 I say, what was he like? You go he was 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.000 a jerk or he was nice? I mean they they 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:14.160 they kind of. 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.320 Yeah. It's a small Lettle ecosystem. So you get to 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:17.840 hear if. 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:23.680 Someone well also liberal in our politics, and liberality usually 0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:28.160 means kindness. It means an openness to people. That's the liberal. 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:33.719 That's what liberality really means, is an openness. And I 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:37.680 think that actors are usually liberal in their politics and 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.360 liberal in their personalities and their acceptance of people. But 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.920 I will tell you this and who I'll be damned 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.120 if I can remember who it was. But I was 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:51.840 talking to a director who was an actor. First, Oh, god, 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:52.600 who was it? 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.600 Boy? I wish I could remember. Oh, I know who 0:29:55.640 --> 0:30:00.760 it was. It was still close, old man and old man. 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.720 He was on thirty something and I know him well 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:07.680 and he's married to Melissa Gilbert and I know him. Oh, 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.520 let's google it because he's a great he's a dear, 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:14.080 dear friend. But he was talking about he was in 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.680 on a meeting with like the producers and with the 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.480 uh uh some of the raters and everything, and go, well, 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.880 they're really nuts, and he goes, yeah, we tim Busfield, 0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:25.800 stop it, stop looking, tim Busfield. 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:30.880 Tim Busfield, must it right now? And he goes, of 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:32.040 course they're nuts. 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:38.560 You're asking them to bring up emotions in an unnatural 0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.680 situation and to make pretend we're asking them to go 0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.800 to the EDGs. We don't ask normal people to do that. 0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.120 And not only that, we're asking them to do to 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.720 go to the edge and then do it again and 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.360 didn't do it again, and didn't do it again within 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:53.920 the same two or three hours. 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:57.640 You gotta be nuts. That is nuts. 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:02.880 That's not how people are also nuts, Because do you 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.480 remember the scene in TUTSI where Dustin Hoffman is walking 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.600 down Fifth Avenue for the first time, Justice Tutzi and 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:13.840 you can see him out of the crowd. The crowd 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:18.840 is the world. The nut is who we're looking at. 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:24.960 That's not right. The normality is you should be the 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:30.800 guy over his left shoulder. That's normal. We're abnormal. In 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:35.120 front of a camera, two people making out telling each 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.400 other is such intimate things while behind the camera are 0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:43.560 fifty people. Who does that? There's fifty people watching. We 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.680 don't see it with the audience. There's fifty to one 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.520 hundred people behind the camera, and you're acting like an 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:51.000 idiot in front. 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:51.320 Of the camera. 0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.440 Well, then, in that sense, do you think is unrealistic 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.800 this kind of new thing? Because everybody asked I bet 0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.520 you you get asked this all the time. If you 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.160 mentioned George Clonin, he's a perfect example of it. 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:06.120 Someone will say is he nice? Like what? All the time? 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.440 He's like everybody else. He'll be nice. 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:11.120 Sometimes he'll be a jerker, other times he'll get you'll 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.440 get sad. But this whole idea, like if you if 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.840 you meet Lemmy from Motorhead, people will say, was he nice? 0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:21.000 You go, I don't need him to be nice. He's 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.040 Lemmy I don't need him to be nice, like Mick Jagger. 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.120 Is he nice? I don't care. I don't care if 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:26.680 he's nice. 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:31.400 But niceness seems to be, you know, the single most 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:35.920 valuable commodity, and I think it is because it's amplified 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:40.600 now because of the ersatz fame that comes with social media, 0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:44.960 so that that kind of they're like famous for being 0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.479 exactly who you are, which I think it's I think 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:52.160 it's been that way since uh uh with the other 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:53.880 newspapers that not the National guy. 0:32:53.960 --> 0:33:00.480 But but you know, Hollywood and stuff. You know, in 0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.000 the thirties when you learned about Jersey as stars. This 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:07.120 was a way of making of selling movies and a 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.760 way of selling movies stars, Hollywood confidential stuff like that, 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.560 which have gone on and on and today are you 0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:18.600 know entertainment tonight. We want to get closer to these people. 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:24.000 Oh why used to joke that when people saw George 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:26.920 they wouldn't get They want to go up and maybe 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:31.240 he'll rub off on me. They get to me, they go, oh, 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:37.040 you know what, not too close in case it rubs off. 0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:43.000 But people want to know these people because it's somehow 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:47.680 it gives them importance, important They met this person. They 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.720 I mean, that's Steve Martin's card. It gives Hewy hands 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.560 out cards. I met Steve Martin. I had an experience 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.200 or I had a personal experience with Steve Martin. He 0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:01.040 doesn't sign autographs is when he gives away we do 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:01.560 want that. 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:03.320 I like it. 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.160 I love my kids. I brag about who I saw 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:11.640 that day. Today I was with Fred Armison, who I adore, 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.440 who I love to love him I admire. I'm going 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.120 to be working with him in a month. I love 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.879 Fred Armison. I'm going to tell my kids they did. 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.600 My kids are so tired of hearing me justify my 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.200 importance by who I saw that day. 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:31.319 They are so tired of it, so you can't. 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.000 I was trying to actually get back to them when 0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:35.680 you were a kid though. I wanted to get the 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.800 impulse and what makes the journey from a very like 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:40.960 that's interesting. 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:47.000 My grandparents, as I mentioned earlier, I came to New York. 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:51.040 My grandparents took me to place all the time. They 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.360 I was well educated in the arts. Oh, my daughter 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.960 is calling in now from Spain, and you know what 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:03.840 I mean. No, I'm talking to Craig ferguson Talk to her, Ah, 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.480 it's calling from Madrid. I want to come back. As 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:10.319 as Richard Kinines's children, they got it great. Oh yeah, 0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:14.239 my kids too. She's on a semester abroad and she's 0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:20.760 having a great time. So they took me to Broadway shows. 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:24.520 They took me to Leonard Bernstein's Young People's Concert. I 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:28.560 had a magnificent upbringing. As far as culture, I think 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.879 that's why I'm who I am today. And I emulated 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:36.040 at the time Robert Preston, Zero Mustelle. These were heroes 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:41.640 to me. I loved them. And then during school I 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.520 did all the plays and I was the star. You know, 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:50.400 I was good. I had a modicum of talent. I 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.719 became much better within the past twenty years, but I 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:57.880 had talent when I was a kid. My mom used 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:03.880 to She didn't read that stuff, but she loved saying 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:07.520 who she liked, or who she may have met, stuff 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.520 like that, or who she went to college with, which 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.839 at the time were so on high. 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.520 And I look back and I go, really, you're bragging 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:17.080 about him. 0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.399 But so and so went on a cruise and they met, 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.360 believe it or not, Jerry Paris. 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.400 I'll always remember that. The Alberts were on a cruise 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:30.000 and met Jerry Paris and remained friends with him. What 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.080 but I was struck by that. 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:38.960 Then I grad I graduated from Northwestern, supposed to be 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:43.080 a lawyer and go to business school and go into 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.799 my dad's business. And my dad's best friend. I tell 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.920 the story all the time, where it was Sunday afternoon 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:54.439 watching football, and he said, you should try New York 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.439 and give it a go, because when you're forty, you're 0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.319 going to resent your wife, You're going to resent your 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.480 children that you did not give it a go, that 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:06.200 you're still at the jewelry store selling, you know, being 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:10.680 a businessman. You could have been an actor. So I 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.000 did it, and I had talent. One year turned into 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.359 two and three, and by the age of twenty nine 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:19.960 point thirty, you should be going I don't like this 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.960 life of suffering and I should be getting more work 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:26.040 and people aren't appreciating me. That's when I went into 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:31.680 Second City. So for four years I was acting every night, 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.480 and I became better, and so I had no chance 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:36.160 to leave. 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:37.319 That year. 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:40.080 Between twenty eight twenty nine and thirty three thirty four, 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.800 I was taken care of. I was making a living 0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.960 in Chicago. I was famous. I was successful. I was 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:53.200 downright successful. There were six people in the world who 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:59.400 made a really good living acting or doing improvs and 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:01.800 it was it was that second city, and I was 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:02.520 one of the six. 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.360 But a blessing that is a metal. 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.200 It's very interesting in that time period you talk about, though, 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.040 because that's my experience as well. It's like I had 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.479 done stand up. I was doing stand up. I didn't 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:21.879 feel like I was getting anywhere with it. And round 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.359 about twenty nine I was like, actually, that's when. 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:27.799 I go sober as well. I was like, I don't 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:28.680 know about any of this. 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.840 And in a very short space of time between twenty 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:38.800 nine and thirty two, I went from falling down drunk 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.960 in the street to a regular cast member on The 0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:45.399 Drew Carey Show in Los Angeles. From Glasgow to Los 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.919 Angeles in that very short space of time. 0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.280 And I can tell how it happened. 0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:52.799 Yeah, you know, I know, But it's at that age 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.160 and if you don't hit it, you could become an agent, 0:38:56.920 --> 0:39:05.760 a writer, a producer. There's a what's his name, Danny 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:11.839 Jacobson who created spin City and ran spin City I'm sorry, 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.799 who created a man about you he was. He was 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:19.760 a handsome stud of a guy. He was in Greece 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:24.000 on Broadway and around that time after Greece and nothing happened, 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.080 and that's when he became a comedy writer. Went to work. 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:31.680 I was in and then became a really great comedy writer. 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.319 You and I know, if you can do anything other 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:39.400 than that, do it, anything anything other than that, do 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:43.239 it for many reasons. Number one, you're never gonna give 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.799 a perfect performance. And give a good performance, you'll never 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.600 be perfect. You can always be better. But you'd be 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:50.799 a good writer. You can be great. 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:53.000 So he was lucky. 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:57.279 He became a writer, producer and made a gazillion dollars. 0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:00.840 He's much wealthier than me. He was a on a 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:06.640 successful TV show. He made millions. I am a thousand there. 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:12.760 Successful act But your daughter's calling you from a said 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:14.280 master abroad in Spain. 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:18.799 Right, you know I'm one of the lucky ones. I 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.680 guess there are ten movie stars. 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:21.520 What are there? 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:27.320 Two hundred and fifty really big actors who make a decent, decent, 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:32.080 good what a good businessman would make. Yeah, two hundred 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:35.080 and fifty. Maybe there's four hundred. Yeah, maybe I don't know. 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:39.400 So it's very mercurial. It's very it comes and it goes. 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:43.640 I mean there are and sometimes that you're talking about recently, 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:44.680 you do seem. 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.359 To be everywhere right now is interesting, But I've seen 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:48.839 there have been parts of your career. 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:50.400 If I use to look at your career, there have 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.600 been moments in your career where you were everywhere. Like 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.359 if I think of you late, I think it's maybe 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.400 the late nineties, only two thousands, or maybe it's a 0:40:58.400 --> 0:40:59.760 bit later than that, you were everywhere. 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.239 Then I remember you being everywhere. 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:08.919 Craig, I'm the lucky guy. I've worked consistently. You haven't 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.160 always seen me, but I've been doing shows. You do 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.759 a TV show, millions watching you do a show nine 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.680 hundred to twelve hundred people are watching you, or you're 0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:20.480 doing a show for ninety people or three hundred. 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:22.520 It doesn't matter. I'm always working. 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.040 I'm not always making a lot of money, and not 0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:26.960 a lot of people are seeing me, and I'm not 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:31.320 famous during those years when everybody's going, aren't you acting anymore? 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.920 I'm always acting. I always am acting. I just am. 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.640 Are you are your kids drunk to you? I'm a 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:40.240 good father. 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:44.040 Congratulation No, No, I know no, but I kid, come, 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:48.359 I go. My kids were blessed with no talent, so 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:52.680 I got I'm very lucky. They don't like that joke. 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:59.640 But it's the truth. That's interesting. That's interesting. It's a 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:02.399 funny thing, though, would because I remember working with kid 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:03.200 actors in Hollywood. 0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:04.680 I didn't like working with them mine. I didn't like 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:05.640 being a red cand actors. 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.680 I remember saying to the they would always say to 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:10.920 the parents, why do you let your kid be an 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:11.840 actor in Hollywood? 0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.600 And what did they say? They always say the same thing. 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:18.080 They always say they want to do it. They want 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:18.880 to do it, And I'm. 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.799 Like, that's not a reason to let a kid do 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.279 a thing because they want to do it. 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.440 That's the opposite. My kids want to eat skintles for breakfast. 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.759 They say the same thing. You think my kids want 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:34.240 to eat vegetables. They'd rather have cotton candy. It's it's 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.439 they don't they don't know what the hell they want. 0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:37.839 They want to do it. 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:42.520 Now, there's a couple of things as you bring that 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:46.880 in about child actors. I don't like child actors. I 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.400 don't I liked Fred Savage. I worked with Fred Savage. 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.680 He was one of the kid, And of course you 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:56.880 come across a couple, I instantly. 0:42:56.400 --> 0:43:00.920 Don't like the parents. Instantly, that's on me. 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:05.799 They may be great people, but I instantly don't like 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:08.120 the parents. And I'll tell you something else. I had 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:12.560 a therapist whose daughter said she wanted to be an actress. 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:17.920 Hell oh, letter, letter, don't let her get money the 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:21.000 minute money comes into it, all of a sudden, there 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:26.080 are consequences and there's competition in ways that are not healthy. 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.560 Let her do community theater, go do school plays. Let 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.920 her put on plays, pay for them. 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:32.080 Do what. 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.600 Let her act that she wants that. Let her act. 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:40.160 She wants to be famous, she wants to be on TV. 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:42.279 That's what she wants. 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.640 Well, that's that's what I think, because nowadays, I always 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.600 thought doing stand up comedy for me was kind of 0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:51.560 like being a job, like a realtor. 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.440 No one grows up wanting to be a realtor, but 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.960 it's a pretty good job. It's other things don't work out. 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:02.880 But no, you get people who want to be stand 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:04.520 up comedians. I like, I don't think. 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:07.400 I think, yeah, eight year old's, ten year olds, I 0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:08.759 think they want to be stand ups. 0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.759 I think he's crazy. I don't necessarily agree with you. 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:17.840 I understand that that's how you felt, but I believe 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:22.920 they do. Jeff Garland tells the story that his parents 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:26.080 took him at like an age ten to see Jimmy Duranty. 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:27.920 Oh wow. 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:32.680 And the ride home he says, does he get paid 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.239 for that? And they go yeah, he goes, that's what 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:35.879 I want to do. 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:41.080 That's very interesting. Yeah, yeah, I know my experience with 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:41.600 that at all. 0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:42.200 Yeah. 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.640 I did not want to be Zero my I didn't. 0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:49.600 I loved Zero Mysel, I loved Robert Presiding. They affected me. 0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:53.120 But when I got to be seventeen eighteen, I wanted 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.399 to do what they did. You know. I always wanted 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:57.920 to be an actor, but I always wanted to be 0:44:58.120 --> 0:44:59.959 Look how many kids want to be a baseball player. 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.680 How many kids want to be a fireman? You know? 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:06.200 And I say in my when I used to lie 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:08.600 in bed when I was fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old, 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.840 you know, kids want to dream of being center fielder 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:15.080 for the for the Yankees. I dreamt of being in 0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:20.120 a Stanley Kubrick movie, in an original uh Stephen Sondheim, 0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:22.920 how Prince musical, and a Woody Allen movie. That's what 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:26.760 I dreamt about. That's what happened to have you. Okay, 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:32.359 here's what it is. My joke is I I was 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:37.799 in an original Stephen Sondheim how Prince musical. I was 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:42.040 the lead Delete me who sings the way that I 0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:45.479 said I could sing, not sing Sondheime, But I did 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:51.000 so I did that. I was never in a Woody 0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:55.359 Allen movie, and even after Stanley Kubrick died, I thought 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:57.200 I'd have a better chance of being in a Stanley 0:45:57.239 --> 0:46:00.720 Kubrick movie than a Woody Allen movie. And then finally, 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.080 Woody Allen did put me in a movie. You never 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:03.560 heard of it. 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:07.359 Yeah, It's called Rifkin's Festival, and it was it was fun. 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:09.759 It was fun. Nobody saw it. You know. 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:13.799 It's now it's now during his uh uh you know 0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.280 me too, a series of movies. 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:19.000 But that's what it is. 0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:23.400 Yeah, that's interesting. Did you grow? Did you become friends 0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:23.680 with him? 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:25.800 Is he? Is he a friend? I can't sell. 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:28.640 I can't say I was friends with him, But whenever 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.200 I saw him, he knew who I was because I 0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:34.160 had auditioned for him a few times. And he's very, 0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:39.759 uh shockingly popular culture savvy, he watches a lot of TV. 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.640 He knows a lot of stuff. Look, anybody who saw 0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.080 a serious man, anybody who's doing saw a serious man. 0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.040 You know that he saw a serious man. And I 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:51.360 think he liked me. Uh, and then he cast me. 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:53.040 He can't good? 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.879 Yeah, it was good. I had a great time. And 0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.759 in fact, there was one moment. It was a dinner scene. 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:00.399 A lot of the people in the cast a very 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:06.280 small part, but I remember certain things. I remember specifically. 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:10.719 So at one point I was doing the my my 0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:13.880 lines and I was doing that and he says, that's great, Richard, 0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:17.719 that's great. Don't hit the joke. I knew exactly what 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:20.160 he was or, don't hit the line. I knew exactly 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.719 what he was talking about exactly, and. 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:24.600 He was right. I hit. I hit the joke. 0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:25.640 Uh. 0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.000 And that's explain hitting the joke to me? What does 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:32.080 that mean? If I like you? You you played it 0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:33.799 like it was a joke rather than a piece of. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:42.280 Let's say, boy, it was a funny line that should 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.400 have been conversational, and I knew it was funny. 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.200 I hit the funny. Let the let the funny sit. 0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:52.440 He was right, and I can and I cringe. 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:52.719 To this day. 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:55.440 For having made that choice, I knew exactly what he 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.440 was talking about, exactly exactly. In the old days, I 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.400 wouldn't have been able to know. I knew exactly what 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.400 he's talking about. The other thing is is I was 0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:07.880 doing the scene. I was saying the lines, and he 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.160 came out of the uh uh you know, the village 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:15.160 video village from a tent, and he was laughing and 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.080 he was happy. He says, good job, and then he 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.040 went back and everybody looked at me, and he goes. 0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:23.239 He never does that. He never comes out and says 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.160 that was good or we're laughing, said it was good, 0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:28.359 said it was good, See it was good. See. 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.000 You're different to me, because if he had done that 0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:31.680 to me, I think, I don't thought I'm going to 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:33.719 get fired. If he never does that and he's done it, 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:35.120 I'm going to get I'm going to get fired. 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:36.920 That's what it is. I have it. I think I 0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:39.440 have a restrust Craig. I was good. I knew I 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:42.520 was not good. That was good. No, no, no, I 0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:46.839 knew that at that particular moment. I knew I was good. 0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:50.120 I knew it was good. Yeah, I know, well you 0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:50.600 are good. 0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:53.920 I know what stuff is good? Sometimes I still have 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.640 to hear it. I still have to hear it. How 0:48:56.760 --> 0:48:59.200 was that do? Is that what you wanted? Sometimes when 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:04.080 i'm really path really pathetic, I'll say, when I know 0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:07.000 it's good, I'll go to the director, go is that good? 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:11.960 That's pathetic to me? And I know it it's horrible. 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.600 I don't think so horrible. I don't think so horrible. 0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:15.560 I tell you what I think. 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:19.120 I remember once having there was a bunch of musicians 0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.040 I was doing. I had been directing a movie and 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.520 I there was a score the London Philarmonic and Abbey 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:27.880 Roads Studios and they were doing the score for the 0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.600 movie and the conductor was conducting them in the worl grape. 0:49:30.600 --> 0:49:32.520 I was the director of a movie. What the big movie? 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:33.719 But they but we got the. 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:37.120 Orchestra cheat And I went out to the London Fello 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:39.440 after they were finished, and I stood up with the conductor, 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:43.800 uh stands and I said, I know you're all professional musicians. 0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:46.439 I know that you do this day in and day out, 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.440 and that it's not romantic to you. But I have 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:54.000 to tell you what you people do is otherworldly, and 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:59.920 I cannot be express how much gratitude I feel for you, 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.399 your skill and your talent and being here today. I mean, 0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:07.000 you got paid. But I just can't do. And I 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.680 could tell because I know people, I've worked with people. 0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:15.560 I could tell by being honestly enthusiastic and grateful for 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:16.319 what they've done. 0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:17.000 That. 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:20.600 Who doesn't love hearing that? Who doesn't love a boy 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:23.160 a pat in the back and say you're great? 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.000 Thank you? Yeah? 0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:29.319 Oh, I absolutely, Oh, I think that. I think that's 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.400 I didn't know where your story was going, But I 0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:37.040 think I think I do that a lot. I think 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:41.960 I tell people my gratitude, my appreciations for what they do, 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:48.239 absolutely all the time. Absolutely, I do see and. 0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:48.719 I don't see. 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.280 What I mean is I don't see anything pathetic about 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:52.440 wanting not for yourself. 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:54.960 I think that I agree. 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.680 Yeah, what was pathetic is that I knew I was 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:04.319 good and still know what. I still went fishing, still 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:05.840 still went fishing for the compliment. 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:11.600 Oh no, no, no, I can fish anyway. You are wonderful. 0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:18.440 I remained the enormous fan of your work, and because 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:21.040 you were always really kind to me when I was 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:21.520 on your show. 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:23.799 That was on your show about three times, and. 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.279 What time I think I did a bit for you. Yeah, 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.680 and yeah, you're always great. Your comedy was great. You 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:34.320 are uh there's you're not snarky, you you you're you know. 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:37.719 It's I think you want. I think you can. I 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.560 think you know snarky. I think you know the area 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:43.719 code of it all. And you can be not sarcastic, 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:47.560 but you can be you can poke fun but never meanly. 0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:50.439 I say, I think the world of your comedy. Thought, 0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:54.880 I thought you were great, certainly great, and thanks and 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:58.839 thank you for sort of introducing me to my wife 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:03.520 sort of. Oh no, no, no, I'm taking full responsibility. 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.439 I deserve to have a Christmas or ornament on your tree. 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:09.799 I deserve a Christmas you know what it's gonna happen. 0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:13.279 It's gonna I'm gonna have hope so constructed for this year. 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:15.120 Thank you for your enjoy. 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.439 However, it will be round, so don't make my face 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:18.000 too fat. 0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:23.080 I'm kidding, Okay, it would be appropriately jolly for Christmas. 0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.800 Fine, okay, Craig. I what a pleasure to talk to you. 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:27.680 It's very nice. 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:29.880 It's a joy for me. Thank you, Rachel, thank you 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:31.560 so much. You bet