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Speaker 2: So, in the wake of visits by investor Mike Huckabee

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Speaker 2: and Steve Whitcoff to Israel, we now have a Speaker

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Speaker 2: of the House of Mike Johnson also making a visit.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to a little bit of what

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Speaker 4: he had to say.

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Speaker 5: Recognized in the destruction of the two Temples and two

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Speaker 5: times in history, but in such a moving time for

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Speaker 5: us to be here, to be here at the Whaling Wall,

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Speaker 5: We've offered our prayers, we put our notes into the

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Speaker 5: wall as just traditional and we're so moved by the

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Speaker 5: hospitality of the people and the great love of Israel.

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Speaker 5: Our prayer is that America will always stand with Israel,

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Speaker 5: and that we pray for the preservation and the peace

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Speaker 5: of Jerusalem.

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Speaker 4: That's what scripture tells us to do.

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Speaker 5: It's a matter of faith for us and a commitment

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Speaker 5: that we have God bless you.

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Speaker 4: That's what scripture tells us to do.

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Speaker 2: Mike Kakabee sharing those sorts of views that he is

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Speaker 2: biblically commanded to back whatever genocidal acts the Israeli government commits, apparently,

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Speaker 2: which is a bizarre view for anyone, let alone a

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Speaker 2: public official with a lot of power. We've also learned

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Speaker 2: Sager this morning that Mike Huckabee, as part of his visit,

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Speaker 2: went to one of the illegal settlements in the occupied

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Speaker 2: West Bank. So this is according to Barrock revied. He

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Speaker 2: tweets Speaker of the US House of Representatives, Mike Johnson

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Speaker 2: visited the aerial settlement in the occupied West Bank today

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Speaker 2: as part of a private visit to Israel organized by

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Speaker 2: an American right wing organization. Under which right wing organization

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Speaker 2: it was, He doesn't say why it matters. This is

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Speaker 2: a highly unusual visit for a Speaker of the House

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Speaker 2: to say the least. Johnson has become the most senior

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Speaker 2: US official to ever visit the settlements. Again, those settlements

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Speaker 2: are illegal under international law. Previous administrations, the sort of

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Speaker 2: standard line, both Republican and Democrat was to more or

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Speaker 4: Now and we're going.

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Speaker 2: To talk to Josper Nathaniel Moore about what's going on

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Speaker 2: in the occupied West Bank. The policy de facto and

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Speaker 2: explicitly is effectively an embrace of the complete annexation of

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Speaker 2: the West Bank. And there has been an aggressive push

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Speaker 2: by the Israelis to steal additional land for Palestinians and

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Speaker 2: a certain complete control over the West Bank.

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Speaker 3: I mean literally, just days ago a US citizen who

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Speaker 3: was from Chicago died from smoke inhalation while trying to

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Speaker 3: extinguish fires set by Israeli settlers. I'm talking about like

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Speaker 3: a week ago before that, there we had that US citizen,

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Speaker 3: the twenty year old, yeah, from Tampa, who was beaten

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Speaker 3: to death by Israeli settlers in the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: This was July eleventh, So that's two who have done.

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Speaker 3: Now, Look, I'm against dual citizenship and all of that

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Speaker 3: but listen, during the Iran situation, what did we hear

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Speaker 3: A lot? Oh a million Americans live in Israel. You know,

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Speaker 3: we got to protect them. I'm like, really do we?

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Speaker 3: You know during the hostages situation as well, they're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: In some cases we're like serving in the Israeli military.

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Speaker 3: So this is my point, is that citizenship is ignored

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Speaker 3: on one hand and then weaponized on the other for

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Speaker 3: a United States. This is the third in line to

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Speaker 3: the presidency. The Speaker of the House of Representatives, who

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Speaker 3: is visiting the West Bank basically a positive affirmation of

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Speaker 3: these Israeli settlers, who, look, let's put the national characteristic

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Speaker 3: here of murdering US citizens and all that, but by

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Speaker 3: was forced to condemn Israeli sittlers for burning a Christian

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Speaker 1: So where's his concern about that? Look, I'm not Christian.

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Speaker 3: I'm not here to Christian police or talk about dispensationalism

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Speaker 3: protecting all those people. This is a government which actively

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Speaker 3: more recently did and armed the people doing so, refuses

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Speaker 3: to bring any of those people to justice.

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Speaker 1: And you don't care.

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Speaker 3: Now in my realm, in terms of citizenship, you clearly

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Speaker 3: don't care about our citizens or whatever been killed in

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Speaker 3: the way you issue like some singular protests, but then

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Speaker 1: On the back end. And so I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what to say.

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Speaker 3: It is so crazy, especially in the year twenty twenty five. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: for us to be you know, the highest levels of government,

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Speaker 3: these folks to be not only you know, by their

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Speaker 3: own admissions saying Scripture commands us to support this place,

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Speaker 3: but that commands billions of our tax dollars to continue

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Speaker 1: It's nuts.

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Speaker 2: Look, I will say it, if your religion tells you

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Speaker 2: to support a genocide, you need to get a new religion.

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Speaker 4: Period. Sorry, that's how I see it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's insane to think that any religion would

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Speaker 2: But that is a commonly held view among many of

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Speaker 2: the leaders of our country right now and is deeply disturbing.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned before, US Envoy Steve Whitkoff was also

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Speaker 2: in the region to do him and Mi Kukabee did

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Speaker 2: their little like propaganda theatrical show at the GHF to

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Speaker 2: go and see, oh, look, see all of the aid

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Speaker 2: we're distributing and there's no violence here.

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Speaker 4: Everything's fine. We'll come back to that in a moment.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, he told the captive families, he

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Speaker 2: talked to some of the of the families of people

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Speaker 2: still being held captive in the Gaza strip that the

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Speaker 2: starvation in Gaza is quote nonsense manufactured by Hamas this

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Speaker 2: was played on an Israeli television network, we can put

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Speaker 2: leaked recording. It's kind of muffled, even though it is

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Speaker 2: obviously in English. But he says, in part quote Hamas

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Speaker 2: has done a good job of getting people to believe

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Speaker 2: some of the nonsense they spew, for instance, that some

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Speaker 2: when in fact they suffer from other medical conditions.

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Speaker 4: They do a good job of that.

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Speaker 2: But that has to be dispelled, that has to be repudiated,

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Speaker 2: that has to be done loudly. I find this so

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Speaker 2: disgusting to deny that there are there is mass famine

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Speaker 2: and starvation occurring in the Gaza Strip. Every day we

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Speaker 2: get more numbers of people who have starved to death.

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Speaker 2: And yes, children, infants in particular are going to be

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Speaker 2: most vulnerable, and yes, people who have some pre existing

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Speaker 2: health condition are going to be the most vulnerable. Does

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Speaker 2: that mean it's okay to starve them to death? I mean,

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Speaker 2: this really is like a form of Holocaust denial at

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Speaker 2: this point. To see these images, see these numbers, you

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Speaker 2: can go and look, we've put them up on the

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Speaker 2: screen before they were not allowing food into the Goaza

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Speaker 2: Strip for months. You can do the numbers even and

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Speaker 2: this is the point that Anthony aguilar or whistleblower makes

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Speaker 2: do the math on even the GHF's numbers that they're touting,

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Speaker 2: and you'll find out that they're starving. They put on

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Speaker 2: enough meals for every Palestinian to have like one meal

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Speaker 2: every three days. And you think that's not starvation. They

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Speaker 2: announce it publicly. I mean that's the other thing. Even

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Speaker 2: right now, there are still Israelis out protesting with their

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Speaker 2: families and their little kids to try to block the

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Speaker 2: aid from coming in. Netanyahu had to make a deal

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Speaker 2: with Ben Gaver and Smochor to allow any additional aid in. Like,

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Speaker 2: this is not something we made up. This is an announced,

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Speaker 2: explicit policy of the Israeli government, proclaimed loudly. And you're

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Speaker 2: still going to say that this is oh, this is

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Speaker 2: a lie, this is a hoax, this is unreal.

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Speaker 4: I mean, just how stupid do they think that we are?

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Speaker 1: Well see, I don't think it's about stupidity.

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Speaker 3: I just think it's about arming the American vanguard with

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Speaker 3: just enough talking points to get them and further down

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Speaker 1: I mean, none of it is really about truth. If

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Speaker 1: you do want some.

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Speaker 3: By the way, here's some photos of what Gaza looks

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Speaker 3: like right now. This is from a Jordanian airplane. Remember

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Speaker 3: when Anthony was on our show Agui Lar, the former

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Speaker 1: If you're watching, this is crazy.

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Speaker 3: I mean look at that one in particular, where you

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Speaker 3: nothing left. I mean it basically. I was just recently

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Speaker 3: That's basically what it calls back to. And this is

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Speaker 3: the first time that we've ever even really seen you know,

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Speaker 1: I do want to linger on that starvation point. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: A key part of Holocaust denial in the nineteen eighties

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Speaker 3: was this talking point about how there were restaurants available

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Speaker 3: in the Warsaw ghetto, right because they were like, well,

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Speaker 3: how could they be starving there were restaurants. Yeah, who

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Speaker 3: do they serve? The filthy rich, the very rich, the

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Speaker 3: people who had money, and that in many cases the

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Speaker 3: people who live there talked about this is that you

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Speaker 3: would have the filthy rich eating in restaurants, doing trade

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Speaker 3: death outside of their door.

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Speaker 1: And yes, yesterday I saw.

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Speaker 3: Some Israeli hospar person being like, here's all the restaurants

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Speaker 3: currently operating in the Gaza strip and it's genuinely crazy.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people are the pointed that out, that

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Speaker 3: that was the key tenants of like nineteen eighties holocaust

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Speaker 3: denial bug. You know, in many cases, like the stuff

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Speaker 3: is exactly the same. Yeah, it's not a mystery to me.

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Speaker 3: Why muscular dystrophy, small children, infants, kion bare which drop

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Speaker 3: site is talking about right now, people who are vulnerable

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Speaker 3: are going to be the ones who are most vulnerable

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Speaker 3: in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, cute starvation.

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Speaker 3: This is why even the whole debate around the term,

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Speaker 3: it's like, okay, let's use the original terminology, the ones

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Speaker 3: that we use here in America, like food insecurity, getting

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Speaker 3: enough to eat? You start doing that, it's like one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent, you know, that's what I mean. It literally

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Speaker 3: is one hundred percent. In the gods of stripp.

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Speaker 4: Doctors and medical profession everybody.

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Speaker 4: But guess what, guys, what's.

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Speaker 2: And again some of them did so. So yes, of course,

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Speaker 3: You know, okay, hamasage, it's like it's starving them, it's

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Speaker 3: But they don't care about a sea spire. There's only

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Speaker 3: But my point is, just if you care about this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and they obviously never talk about the thousands

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Speaker 4: Have to be discreet.

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Speaker 2: We have to have some decorum here as we're murdering

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Speaker 7: to kill. That's what we were told when the qualified that.

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Speaker 7: Of course, if it's a woman or a child, don't shoot,

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Speaker 7: try to detain them, Don't be stupid.

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Speaker 4: Do you think there's a lack of accountability.

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Speaker 7: I would definitely say there's a lack of accountability. When

442
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Speaker 7: we lost some people in a firefight, it was just

443
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Speaker 7: it destroy everything, kill everyone you see.

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Speaker 2: When we lost some people in a firefight, it was

445
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Speaker 2: just fuck it, destroy everything, kill everyone you see. And

446
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Speaker 2: the BBC has sort of they're part of this. I

447
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Speaker 2: guess global shift towards a little more scrutiny, a little

448
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Speaker 2: more condemnation of what Israel is up to as we

449
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Speaker 2: see these horrific images of starvation. They've done a number

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Speaker 2: of investigations. They investigated over one hundred and sixty cases

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Speaker 2: of kids shot in Gaza between October twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: and July twenty twenty five. At least ninety five or

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Speaker 2: shot in the head or chest. In all but two

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Speaker 2: cases are witness Where eyewitnesses were available, Israeli soldiers were

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Speaker 2: identified as the shooter. So if you're shooting kids in

456
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Speaker 2: the head or chest, that's not an accident, that's an

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Speaker 2: intentional murder of a child.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, there's no denying it at this point.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to those demands here, because this actually just

460
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Speaker 3: gives away the end game as well. Let's put the

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Speaker 3: next one, please on the screen. C seven from drop

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Speaker 3: site Israel rejects key Hamas demands. Why Net reports Israel's

463
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Speaker 3: latest response to the Hamases fire, sent tonight, rejects several

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Speaker 3: of the core demands, including quote dismantling the US back

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Speaker 3: Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, reopening the Rafaka crossing, full withdrawal from

466
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Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Corridor, and control over.

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Speaker 1: Prison release sequencing.

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Speaker 3: But I think really important, you know, within that is

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Speaker 3: what the Israelis themselves are doing in some sort of

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Speaker 3: grand counterproposal where They're like, if you don't surrender, then

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Speaker 3: we're just going to take over the whole Gaza strip.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason why that's so crazy, though, is

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Speaker 1: that that's what.

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Speaker 3: They're already doing there already is the plan they said

475
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Speaker 3: they're going to annex it and having a quote indefinite

476
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Speaker 3: presence like what more.

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Speaker 1: It's just the entire demand is.

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Speaker 3: Basically a pretext for what they've always wanted to do

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Speaker 3: from the beginning. I'm not defending hamas of course, the

480
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Speaker 3: hostages should be released. What they do to these that

481
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Speaker 3: guy is horrific. It looks horrible, you know, on camera

482
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Speaker 3: or any of that. And at this point, you know,

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Speaker 3: what Ryan was telling me is that even inside of

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Speaker 3: Gaza is that the population is so beaten down that

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Speaker 3: they're begging them to surrender because they're like, I can't

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Speaker 3: take it anymore, you know, which I understand absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I probably would be in a similar position.

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Speaker 3: So they themselves, though at a political level, are just

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Speaker 3: refusing to sign on to something which they believe is

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Speaker 3: going to be you know, basically an annexation of Gaza anyways,

491
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Speaker 3: and so but it is going to happen now at

492
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Speaker 3: this point, it's more a question about military force and

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Speaker 3: about the US presence, because that's the scariest part is

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Speaker 3: that it would require some sort of US led administration,

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Speaker 3: you know, over the Gaza Strip, which we should have

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Speaker 3: nothing to do. We don't want our hands on any

497
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Speaker 3: more of this than we already do. Actually ruling over,

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Speaker 3: you know, and having some sort of political responsibility for

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Speaker 3: IDF soldiers underneath that body, you know, going and murdering

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Speaker 3: anybody that they want to. That is just like so

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Speaker 3: horrific and disgusting, and that's that really seems like the path.

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Speaker 1: That we're on right now.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no doubt about it, No doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: And lastly, you know, we can put this up on

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Speaker 2: the screen, so every living former yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is crazy. Yeah, this is the people who don't Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the number of former Israeli Masad and Shouldn't bet

508
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Speaker 2: head of military intelligence, all of these people have now

509
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Speaker 2: come out and signed this letter saying the war needs

510
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Speaker 2: to end. So a rare event, the likes of which

511
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Speaker 2: we have not seen. Heads of the defense establishments throughout

512
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Speaker 2: the generations. Almost all the people who were at the

513
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Speaker 2: helm of security tonight call to stop the war and

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Speaker 2: return the hostages. In a public call to it Israeli

515
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Speaker 2: public and demanding from the Israeli government stopped the feudal

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Speaker 2: war bring.

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Speaker 4: The hostages home in one phase.

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Speaker 2: So you have You've also had this former deputy head

519
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Speaker 2: of Massade who came out and said, yeah, it's a genocide.

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Speaker 2: It is in fact a genocide. And this is from

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Speaker 2: an American political context. Another really significant development, which is

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Speaker 2: the head of J Street, which J Street is like

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Speaker 2: the liberal quote unquote liberal Zionists organization, sort of counter

524
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Speaker 2: to a pack. And a lot of Democrats, like Slotkin

525
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Speaker 2: for example, gets money from Jay Street. A lot of

526
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Speaker 2: Democrats who aren't the like John Fetterman, just hard hardcore

527
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Speaker 2: APAC types, they get their talking points from J Street.

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Speaker 2: And so the guy who is the head of that,

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Benam, he came out and said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: it is a genocide. Until now, he says, I've tried

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Speaker 2: to deflect, but Israel is committing genocide. He said he

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Speaker 2: was persuaded rationally by legal and scholarly arguments that international

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Speaker 2: courts will one day find Israel has broken the International

534
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Speaker 2: Genocide Convention. Until now, I've tried to deflect and defend

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Speaker 2: when challenge to call this genocide. But I cannot and

536
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Speaker 2: will not argue anymore against those using the term. I

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Speaker 2: simply won't defend the indefensible. And as recently as last week,

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Speaker 2: I watched him debate Meddi Hassen on this very point

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Speaker 2: and you know, refuse but I think basically because his

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Speaker 2: argument he reflected on was so shallow that it just

541
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Speaker 2: was untenable. I mean basically his argument was, and I'm

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Speaker 2: obviously paraphrasing here, was like it hurts my feelings and

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Speaker 2: other people's feelings to call it a genocide.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to do it, yeah, I mean with the.

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Speaker 4: Meddi's good at Putneddie out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're one of these people who is

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Speaker 3: obsessed with like never I mean, if you've ever been

548
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Speaker 3: to a Holocaust museum or Yadavasham or the US Holocaust

549
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Speaker 3: Museum never again, and you've bought into all of the precepts,

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Speaker 3: then like, what are we doing here in terms of

551
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Speaker 3: the right or you know, by the way, you know,

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Speaker 3: which is ironic to me is a significant number of

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Speaker 3: people who are quote genocide deniers, where the people saying

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Speaker 3: that Russia wants to commit a genocide in Ukraine just

555
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Speaker 3: so people remember, remember bucha the massacre, where like, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm not no one's.

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Speaker 1: Defending it, Okay, right, it's as like it's a massacre.

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Speaker 1: I just said it.

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Speaker 3: But my point is that they were like, this is

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Speaker 3: a genocidal action by the Russian state. People know my

561
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Speaker 3: feelings on the word. But my point, and this kind

562
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Speaker 3: of gets to it, is, oh, it's genocide and Russia

563
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Speaker 3: does it, but now it's not here.

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Speaker 1: It's always usually used to.

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Speaker 3: Justify US dollars and intervention every time this thing comes about.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just giving an example of how within like

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Speaker 3: the liberal internationalist framework. You know, if you're still doing

568
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Speaker 3: the denial and all that, I just think you're jokes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing with this guy, he wrote

571
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Speaker 2: like a substack post I think about this, and he

572
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Speaker 2: said he's still not going to use it because it

573
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Speaker 2: still hurts his feelings, but he's no longer going to

574
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Speaker 2: deny that that is what's occurring. And I'm telling you,

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Speaker 2: I think it's really significant. I think I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of Democrats take their cues from j Street, and

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Speaker 2: so it may represent a really significant political shift because

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Speaker 2: they are like the they are the they have you know,

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Speaker 2: decent amount of funding behind them. They are the liberal

580
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Speaker 2: Zionist organization for people who thought for like Democrats who

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Speaker 2: think Netanya who is yucky, but want to still support

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Speaker 2: the state of Israel.

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Speaker 1: That's a great way of putting this is the this is.

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Speaker 2: The organization for them, and I'll give they have a

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Speaker 2: lot of sway and influence.

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Speaker 3: I went to GW which is like thirty five percent Jewish,

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Speaker 3: so you know, it's massive J Street presence, right, And

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Speaker 3: the classic liberal Zionist J Street supporter is like, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, of Jewish, I support Israel, but of course

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Speaker 3: I don't support the settlements, or of course I don't

591
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Speaker 3: know what it's like now, but this is ten to

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Speaker 3: fifteen right to go. And so at that time, like

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Speaker 3: Jason was one of the biggest political organizations on the campus,

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Speaker 3: more so than APAK or any of these other places

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Speaker 3: in terms of you know, supporting like dialogue or peace

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Speaker 3: or any of that. It's kind of crazy to think

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Speaker 3: about how that was the mainstream kind of democratic Jewish

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Speaker 3: position in America, at least politically whenever it came to Israel.

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Speaker 1: They're at the time. So yeah, for them to say

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Speaker 1: that like that is a sea.

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Speaker 3: Change, because you know this whole Netanyahu support Israel all

602
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Speaker 3: of you know, birth ride out in the open and

603
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Speaker 3: all that stuff like that. I don't think that's flying anymore.

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Speaker 3: I'd have to go back and check. I should ask

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Speaker 3: the people currently.

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Speaker 2: Going liberal Zionism is not a tenable position. It is

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Speaker 2: not a tenable position. I mean not not remotely anymore.

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Speaker 2: I mean it really never was, but now the contradictions

609
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Speaker 2: have been heightened.

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Speaker 3: I would wait a bit post Iran deal twenty fifteen

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Speaker 3: bb speed each before it basically killed it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, from that point forward.

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Speaker 2: Especially now, but now forget about it, like forget about it.

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Speaker 2: And democratic politicians haven't realized that yet. Maybe you and

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Speaker 2: Ryan I'm out tomorrow at ryan'san for me. Maybe you

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Speaker 2: and Ryan will cover that Isaac Dovier piece about do

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Speaker 2: you didn't see it? About how democrats are realizing.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I did, got it.

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Speaker 2: We got to shift a little bit on this, but

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Speaker 2: they have no idea how far gone they are. And

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Speaker 2: last thing on this, and we'll get to the free

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Speaker 2: speech stuff, which dovetails very very much with the conversation

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Speaker 2: we're having here. But you know this position that AOC

624
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Speaker 2: was espousing about like defensive weapons. And that's like slock

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Speaker 2: Ken tried to pull that with us as well, and

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Speaker 2: she she did say that she would have voted against

627
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Speaker 2: the offensive weapons if she hadn't been on Colbert that night.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, that line came from j Street. That's the

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Speaker 2: position that they had retreated to as well. And so

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Speaker 2: when I say they're influential, that's what I mean. Like

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Speaker 2: you can see the way that Democratic politicians are picking

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Speaker 2: up their talking points and running with it, which is

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Speaker 2: why I think that this is influential. But yeah, they

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Speaker 2: have no idea how far off with eight percent of

635
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Speaker 2: the Democratic base supports what Israel is doing. And no,

636
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Speaker 2: they don't think it's just Netanyahu and if you just

637
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Speaker 2: got get hit him out of here, it'll be fine.

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Speaker 4: They don't think that, oh well.

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Speaker 2: We could still send some weapons, but not these weapons.

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Speaker 2: And you know, oh, I don't really want to call

641
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Speaker 2: it a genslate like the base is so in New

642
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Speaker 2: York City, a plurality of Jewish voters are supporting Zoran Mamdani.

643
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Speaker 2: Like Zorin is an avowed anti Zionist and avowed like

644
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Speaker 2: BDS supporter, and he is winning Jewish voters in New

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Speaker 2: York City. Like, that's how far the democratic base is.

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Speaker 2: You have a large supermajority of Democratic voters in New

647
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Speaker 2: York City saying yes, BBDT Nyahu should be arrested if

648
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Speaker 2: he comes here, and eighty percent saying is a genocide.

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Speaker 2: So democratic politicians are so far behind the curve. It

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Speaker 2: is just unbelievable how out of step they are. But

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Speaker 2: we'll we'll continue, We'll continue that conversation for sure.

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Speaker 4: On another day.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and get to TikTok deciding that they're

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Speaker 2: going to install an IDF sensor in their organization to

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Speaker 2: make sure that there isn't you know, anti semitism quote

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Speaker 2: unquote on the platform. Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is so incredibly wild. So the headline here is

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Speaker 2: TikTok hires quote proud American Jew to tackle anti semitism

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Speaker 2: on the platform. Appointment of Erica Mindel comes am in

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Speaker 2: growing concerns over online Jew hate. They go on to

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Speaker 2: say that her role will include developing and driving the

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Speaker 2: company's positions on hate speech, ensuring alignment with global regulations.

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Speaker 2: So like that bullshit anti semitism definition that was codified

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Speaker 2: here in the US industry, standards and best practices. Spear

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Speaker 2: had long term policy strategies that position the company as

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Speaker 2: an industry leader and combating online hate speech and analyzing

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Speaker 2: hate speech trends focusing on antisemitic content. And you know

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Speaker 2: what doesn't get mentioned in this particular headline is the

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Speaker 2: fact that she is a former IDF reservist. She made

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Speaker 2: a leah after college join the IDF.

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Speaker 3: Wait she meet Alia, Yeah, oh my god. All right,

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Speaker 3: let's can show all explain to people what that is.

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Speaker 3: That's when you're an American Jew and you go home

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Speaker 3: to Israel. That's what the right to return is for

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Speaker 3: any Jew in the world. Listen, be my guest. All right,

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Speaker 3: but maybe you should lose your citizenship, just saying if

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Speaker 3: you're willing to do that and go serve in the idea,

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Speaker 3: if you feel so called by your religion to go

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Speaker 3: and live in a foreign country. I wish you the best,

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Speaker 3: but you should give up your passport and forever and

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Speaker 3: you know, just great, just my personal, great opinion. I

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Speaker 3: would hope that everybody. But I mean, look, let's all

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Speaker 3: be honest. Due those are the most dedicated.

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Speaker 4: Like yeah, just like the converse, if you were born.

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Speaker 3: In this country, and you say, I feel compelled because

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Speaker 3: of my religion to go and be a citizen of

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Speaker 3: a foreign nation and to go serve in that other country.

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Speaker 3: How in what world are you ever loyal to that?

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Speaker 3: You literally gave up yours, you know, theoretically, you gave

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Speaker 3: up your citizenship. You feel called to go somewhere else,

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Speaker 3: then go? You know, are you why are you involved

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Speaker 3: with us at all? Apparently that's a controversial position, So Crystal,

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Speaker 3: can you now support my effort to band TikTok?

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Speaker 1: Now you have a h let's lick libs. You got it,

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest. You were all no, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was honestly, I was going to make a joke

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Speaker 2: about it, like, yeah, maybe I could get out.

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Speaker 3: We were all on my side whenever we were talking

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Speaker 3: about this pre Israel, all right, Liberals, everybody was because

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Speaker 3: it was it was never about free speech. It's about

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Speaker 3: Chinese control and large foreign control, not just Chinese. Four

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Speaker 3: of our powerful technology platforms which should be liable to

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Speaker 3: US law and should have at least some transparency, which yes,

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Speaker 3: I understand Meta, Google and all those others, but we

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Speaker 3: could regulate them if we want. We can't do the

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Speaker 3: same with TikTok. So now that they have their pro

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Speaker 3: IDF sensor, join me. All right, I've been over here

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Speaker 3: for a long time since twenty and nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Let's kill it. Let's get it done.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Trump will do this, especially now you

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Speaker 3: know now it's pro Israel and it was supposedly pro Trump,

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Speaker 3: although I wonder what the vibe is on TikTok these days,

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Speaker 3: what the political vibe is.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's not Trump, but then why was it so?

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Speaker 1: Why was it so pro Trump?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but just look at the way that

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Speaker 2: young people have shifted. Yeah, like I mean young men

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Speaker 2: in particular, He's had the biggest fall fall from grace

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Speaker 2: with young men is literally any demographic.

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Speaker 4: So no, I mean the TikTok fuss.

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Speaker 2: I always remember back to Nikki Haley citing on the

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Speaker 2: debate stage, like ten minutes on TikTok makes you fifty

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Speaker 2: percent more anti Semmeigra. I'm butchering the numbers here, but

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Speaker 2: it was something new, was something ridiculous like that. And

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Speaker 2: there are still is really like Israeli's and Israeli has

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Speaker 2: baris who believe that their only problem is like a

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Speaker 2: messaging problem, and their only problem is like a social

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Speaker 2: media problem.

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Speaker 4: And oh, I mean Natanyahu.

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Speaker 2: Said something like this in the Milk Boys interview, something like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, the lie gets around the world before the

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Speaker 2: truth can possibly catch up, and it's like, no, Actually,

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Speaker 2: the problem that we had that you have is that

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Speaker 2: people can see the truth and TikTok has been an

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Speaker 2: important part of that. It's not anti Semitic, but that

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Speaker 2: has been an important part of the rapidly shifting consciousness

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Speaker 2: with regard to Israel. I mean, Israel has lost young

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Speaker 2: people across the board, regardless of political affiliation, like it

739
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Speaker 2: is done.

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Speaker 4: It is over.

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Speaker 2: The only group that still backs Israel are boomer Republicans

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Speaker 2: and they're not on TikTok. So but it's not just TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not really on TikTok. And it's obviously

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Speaker 2: all over Twitter, it's all over you know, Instagram. I

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Speaker 2: mean this is you can pick your social media platform

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Speaker 2: and people are able to watch video YouTube wherever you are,

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Speaker 2: so you know, I think they continue to believe that

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Speaker 2: they can like censor and shut down criticism of Israel,

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Speaker 2: and that ship, that ship has sailed like no, it's over.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say, though, I still think that their

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Speaker 3: strategy is correct because at this point, what else are

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Speaker 3: they going to do? And what I mean by that is,

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Speaker 3: at this point, the long term political support for Israel

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Speaker 3: that's dead. Don't we all agree? Right, it's done. So

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Speaker 3: if that's true, then what should you do? Use the

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Speaker 3: moment when your political system is the most captured and

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Speaker 3: accelerate the Greater Israel project?

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Speaker 1: That's what and that's that's genuinely what's happening.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: We're going to annex Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, as

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Speaker 3: much of it as possible, kill.

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Speaker 1: As many powers as we can, get you.

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Speaker 3: A bomb Iran's that'll look it's literally like a final solution.

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Speaker 3: I'm choosing my words, but it is like it's a

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Speaker 3: final projection of the Greater Israel project at patched by

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Speaker 3: the way, warned by the idea, and means what it

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Speaker 3: means that at that point, what US president is going

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Speaker 3: to roll it back after this, no matter what, it's

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Speaker 3: not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: So they know that, and so in a certain way,

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Speaker 1: like they're doing.

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Speaker 2: They realize their time is limited and they're going for it.

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Speaker 2: They are going for it, and so far, no one

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Speaker 2: with any power has done anything to stop.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think they will.

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Speaker 3: I mean again, even if there's an anti Zionist future president, Like,

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Speaker 3: what are we going to do in vade Syria to

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Speaker 3: roll back the Ideaf?

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Speaker 1: Like it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Like that's my point, And broadly, the Arab powers

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Speaker 3: seem okay with it. I don't know what's going on

782
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Speaker 3: over there, but they're like.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean because they're all bought off bias.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Egypt gets so much aid from US Jordan,

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Speaker 2: like these are you know, these are just client states

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Speaker 2: as well. Like they're paid to accept the Israeli state

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Speaker 2: and whatever Israel wants to do.

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Speaker 4: That's their whole role in the region.

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Speaker 2: You know, after the Camp David Accords with Egypt that

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Speaker 2: basically like cut off that sort of like resistant.

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Speaker 3: Right, three point three billion a year. You know, it's

792
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Speaker 3: an impoverished country. They need the money, they need the

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Speaker 3: military aid.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. The whole situation is crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it is all right.

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Speaker 2: So there was an incident that unfolded at Florida State

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Speaker 2: University of This was in the gym. Apparently there was

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Speaker 2: some dude wearing an idf T shirt, which is wild,

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Speaker 2: and another student was not too impressed with his choice

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Speaker 2: of attire. Let's go ahead and take a look at

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Speaker 2: how this played out.

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Speaker 4: Buck Israel free palace sign put it on fucking barsol

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Speaker 4: APIs you? I really don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 1: You're an incredis ton of a bitch. Oh so that's

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Speaker 1: the incident.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 1: All right, So why are we even talking about this?

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00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: All right? Why are we talking about this?

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Speaker 3: This reminds me of the twenty fourteen era, right, twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, I found a noose in my dorm room,

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Speaker 3: national news story, Oh my god, racism.

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Speaker 1: BB well, we're going to start a commission.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, some sexual assault allegation, kangaroo court, mattress girl.

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Speaker 3: Everybody remember that national story? Well, why are we litigating

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Speaker 3: this now? Nobody's defending the behavior of this young lady?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well look, okay, some people are defending all right,

817
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Speaker 4: But fine.

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Speaker 3: I don't think reasonable people think that that's generally how

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Speaker 3: people should act in a gym or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Although I will say, as you said.

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Speaker 3: Wearing an IDFT shirt and a gym, that's a statement

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Speaker 3: at a gym that I go to people. There's a

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Speaker 3: guy who wears a Ukrainian shirt with the from of

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Speaker 3: the Azov Battalion. I mean, would it be unreasonable for

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Speaker 3: somebody to be like, hey man, it's a Nazi T shirt.

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Speaker 2: You know, so, you know, let me just stay in

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Speaker 2: my position to be clear, because I don't support violence. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so everything she said, no problem, the shove, okay, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't do that. Keep your you know, you keep your.

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Speaker 1: Hands to yourself.

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Speaker 4: Don't go violent.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I think that people wearing id F T shirts you know,

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Speaker 2: which are you know, which is celebrating a genocide?

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Speaker 4: I think they should be shamed.

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Speaker 2: I think they should feel that there's going to be

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Speaker 2: social societal consequences for wearing that shirt in public.

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Speaker 1: I do support reasonable position, free country. Can we all

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Speaker 1: agree with that? All right? You know?

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Speaker 3: Weishould take a poll. Should I say something to the

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Speaker 3: A battalion guy I have not heard?

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Speaker 1: I remarked on it. I go, hey, am I the

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Speaker 1: only person who sees this. I was like, this is

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Speaker 1: great literally Italian shirt. It's nuts anyway.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's a choice. That is a choice.

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Speaker 3: I agree, it's I'm like, yo, this is a Nazi battalion.

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Speaker 4: It's something like Ukraine T shirt.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, okay, and you know, wearing an Israeli shirt.

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Speaker 2: I also don't think it's acceptable. But I D you're

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Speaker 2: wearing an I d F T shirt. Again, that is.

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Speaker 1: A it's a statement. It's a statement.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to this. So why does anybody

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Speaker 3: care about this at all? So Florida State put out

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Speaker 3: a statement. Here's what they said. I'm going to read

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Speaker 3: it from you. Florida State University is actively addressing the altercation.

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Speaker 3: The FSU Police Department interviewed the two students. The matter

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Speaker 3: is being reviewed for potential criminal charges, for charges under

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Speaker 3: the FSU Student Code of Conduct, and it looks like

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Speaker 3: it's leading towards an expulsion. Fine, nobody should care about

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Speaker 3: this anymore. Well, the Attorney General of the United States says,

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Speaker 3: thank you, President McCullough of the university for your leadership

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Speaker 3: and prompt action. Anti Samitas will not be tolerated in

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Speaker 3: Florida or anywhere else. She tags a bunch of people

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Speaker 3: who are working at the DOJ, including in this Civil

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Speaker 3: Rights Division, and says, my US attorney are now investigating this.

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Speaker 3: So they are investigating this as some sort of federal

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Speaker 3: hate crime. Now, once again, I want to reiterate this

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Speaker 3: is just as nuts as during the racial.

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Speaker 1: Panic of the twenty tens.

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Speaker 3: Whenever the federal government and other we're coming in and

871
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Speaker 3: we're like, oh, we're going to preempt this. Well, I

872
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't go that far. Things got pretty crazy for a while.

873
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 3: But my point is just that this is just like

874
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Speaker 3: the Department of Anti Racism and all this other stuff,

875
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: you know, all fantasized by Ibraheim Kendy. I mean, just recently,

876
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Speaker 3: there's a coffee shop in California.

877
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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not going to defend it.

878
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Speaker 3: They've had some drink which celebrated October seventh, way, and like, actually,

879
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: did they like named it after October seventh, after the

880
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Speaker 3: leader of Hamas. Okay, I mean, fine, you know, boycott

881
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: it whatever. There was two guys in there who got harassed.

882
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't support that, people who were Jewish, but they're

883
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Speaker 3: being investigated and targeted by the DOJ Civil Rights Division

884
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: for this is a local matter in California, all right, Let's.

885
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: Leave it to the justice system.

886
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: It's a state local This does not need to be

887
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: a national story. It's just like going after that Baker

888
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: for not you know, for refusing to bake K's cakes

889
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 3: for the gays, who, by the way, sought him out

890
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: and sought that legal battle in the courts, just so

891
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: everybody is aware. But that's my point is that they're

892
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Speaker 3: trying to weaponize the federal government to come in and

893
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Speaker 3: like preempt and use like the highest federal statute levels,

894
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: which were designed I mean, let's think about it. These

895
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: ant you know, these hate crime laws and all this

896
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: this were designed for like lynchings. These were designed for

897
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Speaker 3: like completely out of control, like a Jim Crow South

898
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Speaker 3: Society or you know, the KKK or something like high level.

899
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Speaker 1: Prosecution, not some altercation in a student gym in Florida.

900
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Speaker 1: And of course I'm sure, oh, what are you saying?

901
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: You defend it? No, it's a state matter, local matter alone.

902
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Okay, just to lodge my disagreement on

903
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: the gay baker's situation, I don't think you should be

904
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: able to discriminate against people.

905
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, these guys, these guys had to drive sixty miles

906
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Speaker 3: out of their way.

907
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 8: To go get their case.

908
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: But it's about the it's about the principle. But I

909
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: do think it's different because here's the thing. They're trying

910
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: to claim this as anti Semitic. I don't even I

911
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: don't even know if this guy were in the IDF

912
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Speaker 2: teacher was Jewish.

913
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Speaker 4: They don't say I said he was Jewish.

914
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Speaker 2: I have no idea, and there's no in occasion this

915
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Speaker 2: person knew with his religion, Like, you can object to

916
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Speaker 2: the actions of the IDF without being anti Semitic.

917
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Speaker 4: So that's number one.

918
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Speaker 2: Number two, even with regard to the expulsion, I want

919
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Speaker 2: to know if Florida State really expels every single person

920
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Speaker 2: whoever like shoves anyone on their campus. Is that a

921
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Speaker 2: consistent standard, because I really kind of doubt it. I

922
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: really kind of doubt it. So you know, consistent standard

923
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Speaker 2: should be applied. But the reason I say this is

924
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Speaker 2: more insane than anything we've seen in the past is

925
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Speaker 2: because obviously it's not just about Florida State University. And

926
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Speaker 2: by the way, Randy Fine tweeted that this lady who

927
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Speaker 2: said the fuck Israel free Palestinde thing, that she was

928
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: a Muslim terrorist. You have a member of Congress who

929
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Speaker 2: is calling this girl on a college campus a Muslim

930
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Speaker 2: terrorist because she objects to what the IDF is doing here.

931
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Speaker 4: But this is.

932
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Speaker 2: A nation wide witch hunt for fake anti Semitism, and

933
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Speaker 2: we can go ahead and put D five up on

934
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Speaker 2: the screen. Some of the things, some of the quote

935
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Speaker 2: unquote anti Semitism training. You guys got to read this

936
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Speaker 2: article because I am not going to do it justice.

937
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Speaker 2: It is insane. The things that freshmen coming in are

938
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Speaker 2: being forced, like this propaganda struggle session bullshit that they're

939
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Speaker 2: being forced to endure. So they focus in for tailor

940
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Speaker 2: on Northwestern, which is under multiple federal investigations for alleged

941
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism. They said that they are implementing a training

942
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Speaker 2: that will adhere to federal policy. And so again all

943
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Speaker 2: those people have said this codification of the anti Semitism

944
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Speaker 2: definition wasn't going to be a big deal. Wrong, completely wrong,

945
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Speaker 2: because that's what they're talking about when they're using that

946
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Speaker 2: codified definition of anti Semitism for this completely, completely insane training.

947
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Speaker 2: So one of the things they do they lay out

948
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Speaker 2: ten hypothetical anti Semitic and anti Israel situations, why the

949
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Speaker 2: ADL views them as a problem and advises students on

950
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Speaker 2: how to respond. So again, this was all developed by

951
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Speaker 2: the ADL. One scenario explains why someone spray painting swastikas

952
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: on a Jewish fraternity home is a problem.

953
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a problem. That is anti Semitic. That is

954
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Speaker 4: a problem. I don't know you needed a training to

955
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Speaker 4: know that.

956
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Speaker 1: But okay, say also though half the time.

957
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: By the way, again, GW the original home of one

958
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Speaker 3: of these scares, one of the og fake fakeries was

959
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: this girl in our one of our dorms, saying, somebody

960
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: keeps drawing the swastika on my whiteboard and I'm discriminated against.

961
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Speaker 1: So they saw the camera. Oh she was actually doing

962
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Speaker 1: it the whole time. All right. I'm just saying, wasn't

963
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Speaker 1: there some.

964
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Speaker 4: Fairy wis anti Semitic graffiti incident? I'm noting that correctly.

965
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Speaker 1: I'm not aware anyway. I'm just saying a.

966
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Speaker 2: Lot of times, okay, let's just say if it's legit, okay, yeah,

967
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Speaker 2: that is anti SI. That is a problem. Don't draws

968
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Speaker 2: up swastikas. Don't do that.

969
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 4: Okay.

970
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: Here's the next example they give, which they equate to

971
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: being the same as drawing swastikas on a Jewish fraternity house.

972
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Speaker 2: Another example examines why flyers criticizing the Israeli government for

973
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Speaker 2: demolishing Palestinian homes is similarly an issue. So they're equating

974
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Speaker 2: swastikas with criticizing the Israeli government policy of destroying Palestinian

975
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Speaker 2: homes and stealing their land. They want you to believe

976
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Speaker 2: that those two things are equivalent. A third raises concerns

977
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Speaker 2: over a hypothetical charge that a sponsored Israel trip is

978
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Speaker 2: pro apartheid propaganda. They want you to believe all of

979
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Speaker 2: those things are anti Semitism. So this is Northwestern, but

980
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Speaker 2: this is schools across the country are implementing this type

981
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Speaker 2: of insane struggled session quote unquote anti Semitism propaganda that

982
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Speaker 2: they're force feeding to their students and their incoming freshmen

983
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Speaker 2: in particular.

984
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Speaker 4: And it's not only that the number.

985
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Speaker 2: Of schools, it's like sixty plus schools across the country

986
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: that are being targeted right now by the Trump administration.

987
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: And you know, they've already extracted these multimillion dollar effectively

988
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: like bribes from these colleges to get them to leave

989
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: them alone. It does work too, by the way, and

990
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 2: Columbia paid them off and it still didn't work.

991
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 4: They didn't leave them alone.

992
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: You know, you have them taking over the Middle Eastern

993
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Speaker 2: Studies Department, the federal government basically taking over an entire

994
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: department of study. Let's put D six up on the screen.

995
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: Brown University another one here. They struck a fifty million

996
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: dollar deal with the Trump administration over allegations of campus

997
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: anti Semitism. And Glenn Greenwald has been going to war

998
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: with Stephen Miller over this all out assault on free speech,

999
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: specifically on college campuses.

1000
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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen. This is D four, guys.

1001
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little

1002
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: bit of what Glenn had to say.

1003
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Speaker 9: Here's what he said about my tweet quote. This is

1004
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 9: just patently falls. We have officials working continuously to identify,

1005
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 9: revoke or den i foreigners visas were spouse hatred for

1006
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 9: America or its people. This is a top priority. College

1007
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 9: students who witnessed such contact can use the ICE tip line.

1008
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 9: So that's about whether they're deporting students who criticize Israel,

1009
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 9: and I'll get to that, but that's the thing I'm

1010
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 9: leaving aside as for the issue about restricting the speech

1011
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 9: of American students and professors on campuses. He says, also,

1012
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 9: there is no quote speech code of any kind. In

1013
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 9: the Columbia deal, there's an ironcloud requirement with enforcement mechanisms

1014
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 9: to admit students based on actual merit and not illegal

1015
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 9: racial quotas set aside our preferences. Yes, that isn't the deal,

1016
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 9: but the Trump administration also cajoled in Coerce Colombia to

1017
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 9: adopt the HRIA definition, which severely attacks the free speech

1018
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 9: rights of American students at Columbia and professors. By outlining

1019
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 9: that long list of views I just showed you.

1020
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 2: Soccer, I think it's interesting that Steven Miller fel don't

1021
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: need to respond to him on this stuff.

1022
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder. Look, I don't know, I have no

1023
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: idea why.

1024
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it probably is getting in because he Stephen

1025
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 3: previously led a large legal fund that from during the

1026
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: Biden ministry that would challenge similar like DEI codes, And look.

1027
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Speaker 1: I mean that's why.

1028
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm coming from a place I think of principle,

1029
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 3: like I genuinely oppose all of this DEI racial training.

1030
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Speaker 1: A lot of the reason why that it we are

1031
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: where we are.

1032
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 3: I would say a huge reason why Trump is president

1033
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: today is because of the back line, Especially if you

1034
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: want to talk about the demographic that I you know,

1035
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 3: think about a lot, which is like young men becoming

1036
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 3: right wing.

1037
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: This is a huge part of it.

1038
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: Dudes having to sit through this bullshit in college and

1039
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 3: in HR trainings and they're like, you know what, fuck this,

1040
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 3: I'm done, And so this is just an extent, an

1041
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: extension of that.

1042
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 10: Now.

1043
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 3: One reason why I would say this is worse is

1044
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 3: I can't listen to people who have criticized the latter

1045
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 3: and then accept the former. So if I spend ten

1046
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: years in a political project talking about we need a

1047
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: quality above the law with no more affirmative action, no

1048
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: more special treatment, no more DEI, no more special group

1049
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: in group, you know, hatred, and then we flip it

1050
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 3: around and use it.

1051
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: Now, I just can't deal with it. Like from Ben

1052
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: Shapiro and all these.

1053
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 4: Other folks much, I mean you, I just can't go.

1054
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: But Tager, hold on.

1055
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Speaker 2: Let me let me just make my case kidnapping a

1056
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Speaker 2: student off the street for an OpEd criticizing Yeah, I

1057
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Speaker 2: mean that's why there's there is a use of the

1058
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Speaker 2: government here that goes beyond anything we've seen before. I mean,

1059
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Speaker 2: the number of investigations, the out what right bribes, the

1060
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Speaker 2: taking over of departments, the deporting people based on wrongthink

1061
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: for a particular nation, the implementation of these like you

1062
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Speaker 2: know DEI policies just for their chosen groups at schools.

1063
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Speaker 2: I mean, when you put it all together, it is

1064
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Speaker 2: it is like you said, it is maybe what ibramex

1065
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Speaker 2: Kendy would have implemented, but he didn't. There was no

1066
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: anti racism department, like it is the fever dream of

1067
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Speaker 2: that but realized in this incredibly authoritarian manner. Across the

1068
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Speaker 2: board you have the fucking HHS with an anti Semitism

1069
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Speaker 2: tax task force. Like you have to acknowledge, this goes

1070
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Speaker 2: beyond anything we thought.

1071
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Speaker 3: It's complicated because I would say at a cultural level

1072
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Speaker 3: like me too, BLM and.

1073
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Speaker 4: All that, but in terms of government action.

1074
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Speaker 3: So it's complicated because it felt actually more oppressive at

1075
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Speaker 3: the time because it was in private employment and it

1076
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: was backed up at various levels by the Obama and

1077
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Speaker 3: the Biden administration, but it was not fully enshrined to loss.

1078
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Speaker 1: So I will absolutely grant you that this time.

1079
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Speaker 3: It's almost the reverse, where at a cultural level, like

1080
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Speaker 3: anti Zionism or an anti Israel position is like WI

1081
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Speaker 3: spread and basically seventy eighty percent popular, but the government

1082
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Speaker 3: is the one cracking.

1083
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure which is worse. They're both horrible.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I think you're right that culturally they

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00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: have tried to achieve they full on cancel culture, and

1086
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: because it's just been such a backlash against it that

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00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: they haven't been able to achieve. But I think back

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00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: to the sponsoring of those trucks with the names of

1089
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: students who were protesters, trying to cancel and make sure

1090
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: they could never be employed. All of that, and certainly

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00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: you know in Hollywood there's been a big price to

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00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: pay if you were willing to speak out, especially early

1093
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: on against Israeli actions. So in any case, but that's

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00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: why I think if we focus on specific government actions,

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00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: I think this goes far beyond.

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Speaker 4: And glennar I believe agrees with He's right.

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Speaker 1: Look, yes it's true.

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00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: No, you know anti blim activist was ever deported by

1099
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: the Obama Biden administration. Okay, like, no, I don't know.

1100
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: You know the guy who raped Mattress girl going and

1101
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: Chike into that story, he did not even I think

1102
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: he was a German national. He was well, no, I

1103
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: think he st he got his med school acceptance revoked.

1104
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: It's look again, that's a cultural thing, right And by

1105
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: the way, he's one hundred percent if everybody wants to

1106
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 3: know that, the way was that Columbia, Yes, exactly where

1107
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 3: miss Mattress girl hauled her.

1108
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why I'm still so upset.

1109
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: But the reason the reason she would continue to be

1110
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: upset is because there wasn't action taken against him on campus.

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00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, but my point is just even ten years later,

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00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: it still scars me because that was like a widespread

1113
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 3: national story or whatever.

1114
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: At the time.

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00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: But you're right, there was never an effort by the

1116
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: Obama administration to come in and rewrite you know, the

1117
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: kangaroo codes.

1118
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean there was some at least at a tidal

1119
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: line level.

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Speaker 4: It didn't take any Columbia University.

1121
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: Nobody was going to find no one was killing now

1122
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: or you know, I could go on forever rolling Stone

1123
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: or any of these other you know hoaxes that all

1124
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: happened in the past. But yes, it's complicated because at

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00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 3: a cultural level it achieved massive dominance, but it was

1126
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 3: never backed up at a government level. In fact, though,

1127
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: I think the reason why it's being back here at

1128
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: a government levels because they don't have the cultural power.

1129
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 3: You know, if things were allowed to go in a

1130
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: private institution way, it would be very, very different. But anyway,

1131
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: let's get to Tim Dillon. Now we can always look

1132
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: at him for some relieving content. Here, you know, one

1133
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: of the most tapped in inaccurate podcasters of our generation.

1134
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: And here's what he has to say about the current

1135
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 3: political moment and about Barry Wise. Is Free Press potentially

1136
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 3: being valued at a quarter billion dollars.

1137
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

1138
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 8: The political fallout from this scandal.

1139
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 11: It would be monumental and it would affect some of

1140
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 11: the wealthiest people in the world and our relationships with

1141
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 11: different she's namely Israel.

1142
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 8: I don't care how many you know.

1143
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 11: Barry Weiss, whose company is you know sold now, is

1144
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 11: going to sell the CBS for three trillion dollars or something.

1145
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 11: Larry Ellison's sons buying the Free Press, you know, the

1146
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 11: very the very important free press blog that on substack

1147
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 11: is worth two hundred and fifty million dollars. And I

1148
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 11: like Barry, but the free you know, the one that

1149
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 11: gets like seventy five hundred views on YouTube, that powerhouse

1150
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 11: conglomerate media company is worth two hundred and fifty million dollars.

1151
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 8: By the way, so that Tim Dillon shows apparently worth.

1152
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 11: A billion, Hello, Miriam, where's my fucking money?

1153
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 8: Three hundred million dollars a quarter billion.

1154
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 11: Dollars for Barry Weiss's blog in which she interviewed Megastar

1155
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 11: Ross Dufitt from The New York Times about why conspiracies have.

1156
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 8: Taken the hold of the American mind.

1157
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 11: And Rosc goes, well, you know that thing about consmbiracy

1158
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,959
Speaker 11: is there is an element of truth. Not in this one.

1159
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 11: There's not an element of truth. It's that it's all truth.

1160
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 11: Like it was like, oh, the grift is to go

1161
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 11: against Israel. It's like, clearly not. The grift is a

1162
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 11: quarter million dollars for the blog. For your blog. By

1163
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 11: the way, God bless nice woman, sweet charming woman, her

1164
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 11: and her wife, lovely people.

1165
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 8: No issue with them directly at all.

1166
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 11: They don't like me anymore, which is fine because again,

1167
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 11: you're on the team, or you're not on the team.

1168
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 11: You criticize one thing, I mean, you're off the team.

1169
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 11: But apparently the brand equity, and by brand equity means

1170
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 11: I'm willing to argue for shooting Palestinian Toddlers in a face,

1171
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 11: brand in a in a that's the brand equity of

1172
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 11: two hundred and fifty sticks to shoot toddler in his face.

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00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 8: Thank you, three hundred and three, Thank.

1174
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 3: You very much.

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00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 8: Sh'S very good, and a three hundred million for you.

1176
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: I mean, when he's right good, when he's right, he's right.

1177
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. This is

1178
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: from Lachland Cartwright. It's from his newsletter. I just thought

1179
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: he did a phenomenal job here, so I'm going to

1180
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: read here quote. It is not worse he's talking about

1181
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: the Free Press anywhere near the valuation of why s Berman.

1182
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: Had been blaming.

1183
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: According to two people familiar with the matter, there are

1184
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: number of factors that should give any potential shooter pause.

1185
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 3: The former New York Times journalist is known for overspending.

1186
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 3: She has splash cash on spaceous office, overpaid to lure

1187
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: marquee names. The publication pays freelance writers two dollars award.

1188
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: They currently have fifty people on staff, big name hires.

1189
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 3: Many of others have departed. Meanwhile, the Free Press signature

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00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 3: podcast Honestly lingers at number thirty one in Society and

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00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 3: Culture thirty one should I shouldn't chart chain, but you

1192
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 3: know when we're all when we're.

1193
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: Trying to sell for a court, but not even thirty

1194
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: first in societiety and.

1195
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: Culture quote drawing marginal revenue.

1196
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: The free press events such as monthly book clubs and

1197
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: debate series have failed to generate meaningful profits. That only

1198
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: leave some part of Barry Weiss's business that is subject

1199
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: to churn. Then there is the reputational risk, and he continues.

1200
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: So that's just at a pure business level.

1201
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: Now, it's an open question to me whether they even

1202
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: those sub numbers have been real well. And also, I mean,

1203
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: what do they say the sub numbers are.

1204
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: It's like one hundred and fifty five thousand.

1205
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 4: I don't believe that.

1206
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't believe.

1207
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, I mean, okay, so you go to

1208
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: their now they do have their blog, they have other

1209
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: things going on. You go to their YouTube page. Three

1210
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty one thousand subscribers. So we have roughly

1211
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: five times their number of subscribers at this point, roughly

1212
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 2: five times that. Aforementioned from Tim Dillon interview with Ross Douthat,

1213
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: which Ross really catching some straight there by the way.

1214
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: Ross is great all right, leave Ross alone.

1215
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: I won't have Ross back on the show. Actually, obviously

1216
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: I have disagreement. Well that's off of it anyway. On Okay,

1217
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: here's the headline here, Jeffrey Epstein and Conspiracy America Epstein

1218
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: hot topic online.

1219
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 4: Right, surely going to do some numbers.

1220
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: Seventeen thousand, seventeen thousand views the debate that they just

1221
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: put out between Eli Lake and Josh Hammer on Russia Gate,

1222
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: five thousand abuse. Wow, Okay, this is These are the

1223
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: metrics for a company that apparently is getting a valuation

1224
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: of two hundred. I mean, it's just absolutely insane. So,

1225
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean you were making the point before maybe we

1226
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: should celebrate this because I was.

1227
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: Going to say that warworth I was going to say,

1228
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: in some ways, I want this happened because it means

1229
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: I'm a cent a millionaire on paper.

1230
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: Okay, but no, look, it's all bullshit.

1231
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous, totally insane, and I'm not sitting.

1232
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: Here claiming to be number one. You know, there are

1233
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: a lot.

1234
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 3: Of big U political YouTube channels out there that are

1235
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: way bigger. But I'm not sitting around trying to get

1236
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: quarter billion dollars out of Larry Ellison's son either.

1237
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: Okay, well, that's my point.

1238
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: The reason Tim Dillon's sketch hits so hard is because

1239
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: he's right. The whole value comes from her willingness, yes

1240
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: to put an intellectual she it's absolute monstrosities.

1241
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it is.

1242
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 3: It's in writing that Dylan buyers Who's again. I know

1243
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 3: this may seem tedious, but this is important for all

1244
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: you guys to understand that there are.

1245
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: People like us. You know, they're all listen.

1246
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: Timpool's not out there asking for quarter billion dollars, all right,

1247
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 3: and he gets fifteen times number of views, He has

1248
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: more reviews than we do, PbD, any of these other

1249
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: None of these folks are out there. You can think

1250
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: whatever you want about them, but you know they're running

1251
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: their own businesses and they're not out there trying to

1252
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: be bought.

1253
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: For billions and billions or whatever.

1254
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 3: And the point though, in the Barry Weiss case is

1255
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: that it is entirely an intellectual sheene on pro Israel

1256
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: and pro Zionism. If you read about it, David Ellison

1257
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 3: and others are genuinely only want to buy the Free

1258
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: Press to support Israel.

1259
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: That's it.

1260
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 3: They want to support and put what's her name, Barry

1261
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: on the CBS news board as an ombudsman.

1262
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so she's going to fill the role as the TikTok.

1263
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I just send for But do you know

1264
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: why this is crazy? Do you know why this is crazy?

1265
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 3: This is a network television liket, like granted license from

1266
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 3: the government, CBS, this News Morning, like when you don't

1267
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: even have cable, this network TV, CBS, sixty Minutes, all

1268
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: of these legacy brands and all this we fall under Herbert.

1269
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 3: That's why what's nuts?

1270
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: And CBS has already been the knee in a number

1271
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: of really significant ways. You know, they trimmed the sales

1272
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: of sixty minutes because sixty Minutes was doing good reporting

1273
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: on Trump but also specifically on Israel Palestine that they

1274
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: didn't like. You had their longtime executive producer leave under duress.

1275
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: There's the Stephen Colbert situation, which you know, I do

1276
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: think that that was a stop to the Trump administration.

1277
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 4: And I mean it's both. I think it's both.

1278
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: It's the CD show like, it's all of that, but

1279
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: I do think that was a stop to the Trump administration.

1280
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: You had CBS also settle a lawsuit basically paying a

1281
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: bribe to the Trump administration. They want their freaking merger

1282
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: to go through. And this is why I think the

1283
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: Colbert thing was in part political, because right after that

1284
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: happens and low and behold, oh they're getting approval for

1285
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: their big merger whatever. So the government has said they're

1286
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: going to install like a bias monitor at CBS, and

1287
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: I guess Barry can be part of that team. So

1288
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: congratulations to her. I just absolutely extraiage. It does go

1289
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: back to what you're saying about how Israel realizes this

1290
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: is their moment that they have lost the you know,

1291
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: anybody under forty in America they have lost, and they

1292
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: have you know, completely outside of America, and they have

1293
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: completely isolated themselves globally. Now is their moment, and so

1294
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: they are going for it. And part of going for

1295
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: it is this sort of like pushing of bias monitors

1296
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: at TikTok and at major network news, with Barry Weiss

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Speaker 2: being a significant part of that. And it's it is

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Speaker 2: wild to see.

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Speaker 1: Ye, that's right, all right, we've got jasper standing by.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: So one ed to update you guys on an important

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Speaker 2: development with regard to the veracity of the story of

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Speaker 2: the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation whistleblower Anthony Aguilar, former Green Beret.

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Speaker 4: Who spoke with us last week.

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Speaker 2: So key part of his testimony was about a child

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Speaker 2: named Emir who he saw at one of the age

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Speaker 2: distryution sites, and a mirror really struck a chord with

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Speaker 2: him because he approached him after having scrounged some meager

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Speaker 2: rations off of the ground, and he wanted to say

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Speaker 2: thank you to him. In English, Aguilar said that he

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Speaker 2: grabbed his face and kissed his hands in gratitude for

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Speaker 2: these meager rations that he was able to literally scrounge

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Speaker 2: off the ground.

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Speaker 4: And then shortly.

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Speaker 2: Thereafter, the IDF fired as they typically do on Palestinians

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Speaker 2: who were leaving the AID site, and Aguilar saw a

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Speaker 2: mirr dead on the ground, having been killed by the IDF.

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Speaker 2: So the GHF has put out a number of statements

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Speaker 2: trying to call into question Anthony's testimony, specifically about a mirror.

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Speaker 2: They put on a photo of what appeared to be

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Speaker 2: a completely different child on a different day and say, oh,

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Speaker 2: here is a mirror. He was fine, here he is

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Speaker 2: being happy. Well, we now have an update from a

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Speaker 2: Middle East guy who were able to actually track down

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Speaker 2: the family of a mirror and to try to discover okay,

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Speaker 2: well is he is he fine? Is he there in

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Speaker 2: your care or what happened to him? And we can

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Speaker 2: put this up on the screen. They were able to

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Speaker 2: identify the family, and the family says that he is missing.

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Speaker 2: They have searched for him extensively. They've looked in all

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Speaker 2: the hospitals, they've looked in all the wargs, they've gone

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Speaker 2: to humanitarian organizations like the Red Cross. They have found

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Speaker 2: absolutely no trace of him. The last time anyone has

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Speaker 2: seen him alive is as pictured in those photos that

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Speaker 2: Anthony Aguilar took, so really lending credibility.

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Speaker 4: To his story here.

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Speaker 2: And you know, obviously an absolute horror that this child

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Speaker 2: was in all likelihood murdered and then God even knows

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Speaker 2: what has happened to his body. So in addition to

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Speaker 2: that update, we wanted to bring in Jasper Nathaniel, who's

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Speaker 2: a fantastic journalist. He writes over an infinite Jazz on

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Speaker 2: Substack and he's been tracking really closely a lot of

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Speaker 2: developments with regard to Israel, Gaza and specifically the West Bank,

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Speaker 2: which we want to get to in the moment, in

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Speaker 2: a moment, but for all, just welcome Jasper.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you here, you man, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have a piece up at drop site

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Speaker 2: which really fits hand in glove with the story about

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Speaker 2: AMRR and what's happening at these GHF sites.

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Speaker 4: We can put this up.

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Speaker 2: On the screen where you dig into the way that

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Speaker 2: this is really an information warfare and pr OP.

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Speaker 4: This has really nothing to.

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Speaker 2: Do with aid distribution at all, which, you know, anyone

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Speaker 2: who watches the show probably already knows that these are

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Speaker 2: death traps where Palestinians, starving Palestinians are lured in and

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Speaker 2: then indiscriminately shot on the way in and on the

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Speaker 2: way out. But what specifically did you discover about the

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Speaker 2: way that GHF operates.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that the big picture thing to keep

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Speaker 10: in mind is that humanitarian work is a technical discipline.

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Speaker 10: People go to school for a long time to study it. Obviously,

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Speaker 10: there's a science to famine and famine relief, and people

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Speaker 10: who run humanitarian organizations have a set of guidelines based

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Speaker 10: on based on this, and you know ethical guidelines as

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Speaker 10: well that are meant to prioritize the people who need

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Speaker 10: the aid and the relief. The gaz of Humanitarian Foundation

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Speaker 10: simply put, does not have any experts in humanitarian aid

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Speaker 10: as part of it. It is run by basically mercenaries,

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Speaker 10: intelligence operatives x CIA people. And the most generous reading,

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Speaker 10: I would say, if you know, we assume that it

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Speaker 10: was not actually meant to be killing hundreds and hundreds

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Speaker 10: of people every week and starving the entire Gaza stript

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Speaker 10: the most generous reading would be that it's an intelligence

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Speaker 10: gathering operation, but it's just simply not there to feed

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Speaker 10: the people.

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Speaker 12: Because if it was.

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Speaker 10: If it was, they would have experts in humanitarian relief

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Speaker 10: working for it, but they just don't.

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Speaker 12: So that's the sort of high level I would say.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: The furthermore that we want to get with you, Jasper,

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Speaker 3: just kind of going down this road, is what's going

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Speaker 3: on in the West Bank. Can we put F three

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Speaker 3: please up on the screen. This is something that you've

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Speaker 3: been writing about for now quite some time. Quote, the

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Speaker 3: annexation of the West Bank is complete with eyes on Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Israel's quietly annexed the West Bank. We have covered the

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Speaker 3: vote in the Israeli kanesse about this, but give us

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Speaker 3: some of the concrete stuff that you point to that

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Speaker 3: shows the actual annexation at a political and law enforcement level.

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Speaker 10: So the military occupation of the West Bank is it's

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Speaker 10: an actual legal designation that is aligned with international law

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Speaker 10: based on the Geneva Convention and Hague and there are

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Speaker 10: laws that the military occupation nominally has to adhere to,

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Speaker 10: and the laws effectively say everything that's done as part

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Speaker 10: of the military occupation has to be in the best

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Speaker 10: interests of the occupied people and nothing can be designed

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Speaker 10: to you know, put roots in the ground by the occupiers. Now,

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Speaker 10: I don't want to give off the impression that the

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Speaker 10: military occupation was, you know, is benevolent or is anything

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Speaker 10: other than just cruel, and Barbaric said that it did,

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Speaker 10: in a weird way, provide sort of insulation between the

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Speaker 10: occupied people and the settler movement, which is you know,

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Speaker 10: ideological and messianic and wants nothing more than to just

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Speaker 10: take over the territory. So what I mean by that is,

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Speaker 10: take somebody like Smotrich, the Finance minister. Smotridge grew up

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Speaker 10: in a settlement. He lives in a settlement today. He

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Speaker 10: was not that long ago. One of the people that

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Speaker 10: you see running around the Hills in a mask, throwing rocks,

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Speaker 10: sending fires to Palestinian villages.

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Speaker 12: And now he is the Finance Minister.

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Speaker 10: So when he came into power in February at the

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Speaker 10: end of or in the beginning of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 10: a deal with the Defense Secretary Joev Glant, And what

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Speaker 10: that deal did was he installed himself inside the Defense

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Speaker 10: Department Smoechricht did, and then he built what is effectively

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Speaker 10: a shadow government inside the Defense Department, made up entirely

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Speaker 10: of people with his same ideology with settlers, and they

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Speaker 10: basically re routed every decision that the military occupation made

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Speaker 10: to this new civilian chain of command.

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Speaker 12: And in doing that they've been.

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Speaker 10: Able to get rid of every single potential obstacle or

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Speaker 10: hurdle on building settlements, on demolishing Palestinian villages. And again

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Speaker 10: it's not to say that the military was like had

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Speaker 10: the best interests of the Palestinian people in mind, but

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Speaker 10: they were on an ideological level, more concerned with keeping

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Speaker 10: order and brutalizing the people, I would say, as opposed

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Speaker 10: to the settlers, who have just a sort of pure

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Speaker 10: Messianic vision of claiming Judaea and Samaria on its own

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Speaker 10: all that said already, well before October seventh, there was

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Speaker 10: a fundamental change in the way the West Bank is

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Speaker 10: governed that allowed settlement building to just run wild. And

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Speaker 10: then October seventh happens in Smotrich. I think it's fair

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Speaker 10: to say immediately recognizes an opportunity to frame everything that

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Speaker 10: they're doing as security. So he starts conflating the Palestinian

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Speaker 10: authority with Hamas, he starts really doubling down on this

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Speaker 10: idea that that settlers have been pushing for a long

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Speaker 10: time that the West Bank or the settlers in the

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Speaker 10: West Bank are Israel's bulletproof vests who are protecting Israel

1441
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Speaker 10: proper from you all the supposed barbarians east of the

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Speaker 10: Green Line. Settlemers love to say, October seventh never could

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Speaker 10: have happened from here because we would have stopped it.

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Speaker 10: And so so it goes from just being you know,

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Speaker 10: they cleared all the bureaucratic hurdles to be able to

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Speaker 10: build settlements. Now they have this idea of security on

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Speaker 10: their side. Part of that also is actually telling the

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Speaker 10: police and the idea to stop enforcing laws on settlers,

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Speaker 10: so settlers are now allowed to build illegal outposts anywhere

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Speaker 10: they want. They are virtually never arrested when they know

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Speaker 10: do these pigroms and terrorize people. Literally today there is

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Speaker 10: video of Yinon Levy, the settler who shot a Palaestinni

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Speaker 10: actives is dead one week ago. He's back in the village,

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Speaker 10: today's lumakayer today, continuing to build the settlement, continuing to

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Speaker 10: terrorize the people. I'm not so sure that would have

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Speaker 10: happened two years ago. And again I can't emphasize enough,

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Speaker 10: like things were not good two years ago, but now

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Speaker 10: just the all the rules are gone.

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Speaker 2: Let me read a little bit from your piece, because

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Speaker 2: I think it's extraordinary you say annexation is for all

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Speaker 2: intents and purposes complete. Since Trump's reelection, reportedly bankrolled in

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Speaker 2: part by a one hundred million dollar donation for Miriam

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Speaker 2: Addilson in exchange for backing annexation, Smchurch has grown more confident,

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Speaker 2: calling twenty twenty five the Year of Sovereignty in Judea

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Speaker 2: and Samaria. He's built a close relationship with US Ambassador

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Speaker 2: Mike Huckabee, who once said there was no such thing

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Speaker 2: as a Palestinian, and some Mochurch has declared they are

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Speaker 2: now raising the flag of building and settling rather than

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Speaker 2: hiding and apologizing. So when you say annexation is for

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Speaker 2: all intents and purposes complete, what specifically do you mean

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Speaker 2: by that?

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Speaker 12: So the.

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Speaker 10: Green line that ostensibly separates Israel from the occupied West Bank,

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Speaker 10: that separation, you know, there's a wall, of course, but

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Speaker 10: also the separation is that there are laws in Israel

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Speaker 10: that apply to Israel that legally cannot apply to the

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Speaker 10: West Bank because it's not part of Israel proper. There

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Speaker 10: have been a series of policy initiatives that have flown

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Speaker 10: right through the Kanesset that have taken the laws in

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Speaker 10: Israel and applied them to the West Bank. And so

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Speaker 10: in doing that, if you take all the laws of

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Speaker 10: Israel and apply them to the occupied territory, if you

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Speaker 10: take all the restrictions off of settlers from being able

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Speaker 10: to build wherever they want, from being able to demolish

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Speaker 10: wherever they want, at a certain point, is what exactly

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Speaker 10: is not Israel about this place?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 8: Thing?

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Speaker 10: And so I think that Smotrich he doesn't use the

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Speaker 10: word annexation.

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Speaker 12: I've noticed he.

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Speaker 10: I think that he is aware that he doesn't need to,

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Speaker 10: you know, say, officially, we've annexed the West Bank to

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Speaker 10: get everything he wants, which is full control over the

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Speaker 10: West Bank, and you know, an increasingly effective effort to

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Speaker 10: basically ethnically cleanse the parts of the land that the

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Speaker 10: settlers are encroaching on.

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Speaker 1: And why does this matter in terms of what's happening

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Speaker 1: in Gaza?

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Speaker 10: You think, well, I think that it matters on a

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Speaker 10: you know, on a moral and ethical level of course.

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Speaker 10: But also so I think it's worth saying that this

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Speaker 10: idea of a Palestinian state or a two state solution

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Speaker 10: is really it's built on the notion that there's a

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Speaker 10: state in the West Bank for the Palestinians.

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Speaker 12: And I think that.

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Speaker 10: The idea that that is the sort of practical, thinking

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Speaker 10: man's solution to the conflict. It's just as Palestinians lose

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Speaker 10: any you know, sovereignty or power that they have in

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Speaker 10: the West Bank and Israel takes over more and more

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Speaker 10: of it, and they are Palestinians are confined into smaller

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Speaker 10: and smaller bontustans. It is just so obvious that there's

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Speaker 10: no there is no physical state that could be possible

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Speaker 10: for the Palestinians to have there. So I think it

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Speaker 10: matters on that sort of legal and diplomatic level, but

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Speaker 10: it also on a on a rhetorical level. Let's say,

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Speaker 10: it just completely wipes away the idea that what Israel

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 10: is doing in Gaza is about eradicating Hamas, because Hamas

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 10: is not in the West Bank. You know, there may

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 10: be a hand full of operatives, but the West Bank,

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01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 10: to the extent that it has a militant groups, they

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01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 10: are underground, they're not associated with the Palestinian authority or

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01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 10: with the government in any way. Most of the towns

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01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 10: that the settlers are taking over, that soldiers are encroaching

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01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 10: on don't even have armed resistance.

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Speaker 12: And so so you know.

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Speaker 10: When they're bombing schools and hospitals and homes in Gaza

1528
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 10: and they're saying, oh, there was a Moss operative there,

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01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 10: they don't have that same excuse in the West Bank.

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Speaker 10: And it just it brings into stark clarity. This is

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01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 10: about ethnic cleansing. There's simply no other justification for what

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01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 10: they're doing there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and quite the opposite. The PA have

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01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 2: been are basically collaborators. So you know, they're supposed to

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 2: be the moderates, and they have basically done whatever the

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01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 2: Israelis want them to do, and even that then they

1537
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: get conflated as a mus so the idea, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's all often offered of like, well if the palatine

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01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 2: has just laid down their arms and try to negotiate.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that is fundamentally disproven, also by

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 2: what is unfolding right now in the West Bank. I'd

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01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: love your reflections on that, But also I wanted to

1543
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 2: get your reaction to we covered earlier in the show.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know if you've seen this.

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01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, US Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, who was

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01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 2: in Israel, became the highest ranking US official I believe

1547
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: ever to visit one of these illegal settlements. What do

1548
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 2: you see as the significance of that.

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01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, I saw that just before I came on.

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01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 10: He's at the Ril Settlement, which is in the north

1551
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 10: what the settlers called Samaria.

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01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 12: Well, he.

1553
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,919
Speaker 10: The significance is that, you know, the the Trump government,

1554
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 10: as they did in the first term too, are just

1555
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 10: fully on board with annexing the West Bank. I mean

1556
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 10: you you know, you said in the Expert that you

1557
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 10: read that there was one hundred million dollar donation that

1558
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:48,839
Speaker 10: allegedly was in support of annexation. Mike Johnson said something

1559
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 10: in his speech literally you know, minutes or hours ago

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01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 10: that I read where he said Judea and Samaria is

1561
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 10: legally belongs to Israel, and I just want to say

1562
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 10: that act it doesn't.

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01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 12: Literally, it doesn't.

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01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,799
Speaker 10: There is no law in the world that would suggest,

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01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 10: you know, what they call Judea and Samaria, which is

1566
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 10: the land of the West Bank belongs to Israel. I mean,

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01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 10: quite literally, it belongs to the Palestinians and Israel is

1568
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 10: just occupying it. So you know that they have just

1569
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 10: like taken the mask off that they even care about

1570
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 10: as rules based order, and you know, they're just fully

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01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 10: supportive of annexing the West Bank. I think, you know,

1572
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 10: for somebody like Mike Johnson or Mike Kuckibe, these are

1573
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 10: evangelical Zionists who have, you know, their own Messianic vision

1574
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 10: and prophecy for why they need all the Jews to

1575
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 10: return to Israel. It has nothing to do with actually

1576
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 10: caring about Jewish people. Certainly they don't care about Palestinian people,

1577
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 10: so it's just totally cynical. But frankly, the settlers will

1578
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 10: take any allies they can get, you know, especially those

1579
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 10: who are high up in the in the US government.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one last question for you, Jasper.

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Speaker 2: There's a bit of a liberal fantasy or that of

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01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 2: if we just got this bad net Yahoo government out

1583
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 2: of here, then you know, things could return to quote

1584
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: unquote normal, whatever that was in Israel. And with regard

1585
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: to the Israeli American relationship, you know, what are your

1586
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 2: reflections on that.

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Speaker 10: Well, just just again focusing on the West Bank, because

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01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 10: I think it's it's a good example of where the

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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 10: October seventh can't be used as an excuse. I just

1590
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 10: wrote a piece of my sub stack yesterday called the

1591
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 10: violence settlers are just doing their job.

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01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 12: And what I mean by that is.

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01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:35,759
Speaker 10: Every single part of Israel's institutions, from the federal government,

1594
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 10: to the courts, to the sort of you know, various

1595
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 10: political entities, to the just general support or apathy from

1596
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 10: the population, is supporting the settlers in what they're doing,

1597
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 10: in their ethnic lensing, in their violence, in their killing.

1598
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 10: And so you know it, if you want to say

1599
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 10: that it is just Ned and Yahoo, then you would

1600
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 10: have to also acknowledge well, then Ned Nyah, whose ideology

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01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 10: has completely swept through every single institution that matters in Israel.

1602
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 10: But of course it's not just nan Ya who I mean,

1603
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 10: this is you know, much more deeply ingrained in people

1604
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 10: who just you know, have utterly dehumanized Palestine Palestinians, and

1605
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 10: it just it's it's alarming that anybody would even suggest

1606
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 10: that the settlement movement is fringe anymore, because this movement

1607
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 10: is actually central to its central to the Zionis project.

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01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 10: And the proof is in the pudding. I mean, it's

1609
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 10: not very hard to see how that movement, that violent movement,

1610
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 10: has support across the board.

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01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with you.

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01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 8: Jazzer.

1613
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 2: Tell people where they can where they can find your

1614
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 2: work and where they can support you.

1615
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 12: Yeah, thank you.

1616
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 10: My substack is just infinite jazz, just one z ja

1617
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 10: zuh and then.

1618
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 12: I see you smiling, I can get their efforts.

1619
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 10: My Twitter is also infinite jazz with two underscorers, and

1620
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 10: I think on Instagram you finished azz one underscore. Also

1621
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 10: you can just search Jasmerna Daniel. You should be able

1622
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 10: to find my work.

1623
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, we'll put the links in the description as

1624
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 4: well for people.

1625
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 10: Okay, great, thank you so much for bringing attention to

1626
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 10: the West Bank, because it's just it's criminally undercovered in

1627
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 10: the mainstream media, and it's so important to talk about.

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01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: What's happening there.

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01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it really does create the full picture,

1630
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: even on these questions of genocide, when you see you know, oh,

1631
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 2: it's not just what's going on in the Goza ship

1632
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: where you've got the but Hamas excuse. This isn't across

1633
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 2: the board policy. So thank you for helping us to

1634
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: connect those dots.

1635
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 4: Jasper.

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01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: Great to see you man, Yeah, thanks for having me,

1637
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: take care. Thank you guys so much for watching. We

1638
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Ryan and I will be on tomorrow. See

1639
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: you then,