1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff give you, guys, the best independent 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: coverage that is possible. If you like what we're all about, 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: it just means the absolute world to have your support. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: Today. 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: As we mentioned before, is October seventh. That means it 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: is the anniversary of the October seventh Comas attacks. 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and put this. 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: Up on the screen. Our producer Griffin compiled some of 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: the most striking and shocking images from that day. You 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: can see rockets being fired. This is from Gaza City. 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: You can see these images and I don't know if 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: you guys remember where you were or how you felt 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: learning this news, but I just remember being absolutely shocked. 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: Here you can see one of probably the most notable images, 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: which is Palestinians using a bulldozer to take down part 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: of the barbed wire fence raise a wire fence surrounding Gaza. 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: The way that this attacked unfurled, they were able to 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: use commercial drone technology to take out some of the 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: surveillance systems and the automatic there's automatic weapons trained in 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: facing in at Gaza. They were able to take that out. 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: Then they were able to infiltrate Israel, taking over two 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: hundred hostages. You can see this elderly woman who has 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: taken hostage and they're driving her back to Gaza. You 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: can also see very quickly the beginning of the response 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: from Israel. This is they blew up multiple apartment towers 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: here in Gaza City. And it's also kind of heart 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: wrenching to see. This is also Gaza City the most 33 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: structures they are still intact. Of course, now here we 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: stand a year later, and you know all you would 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: see in Gaza scenes of just total and complete annihilation. 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: So Hamas succeeds in this attack, I think beyond their 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: wildest expectations. At the end of the day, we can 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. You have some twelve 39 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: hundred individuals who were killed, six hundred ninety five Israeli civilians, 40 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy three who were IDF and seventy 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: one foreigners. Now we've since learned that some number of 42 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: those We have no idea how many. All indications are 43 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: that an overwhelming majority were killed by Hamas and affiliated groups, 44 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: but some number of them were also killed by the 45 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: IDF instituting the so called Hannibal directive. And it appears 46 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: that Hamas succeeded beyond their wildest expectations because of massive 47 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: Israeli security failures leading up to that day. For one thing, 48 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: you had a number of IDF troops who were repositioned 49 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: to the bank to protect effectively rampaging settlers there. 50 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: That was part of the project of. 51 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: You know, Smo Church and Ben Givier and these Netnyahuu 52 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: coalitional partners. You had a group of women, idea of 53 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: soldiers who were you know, doing the surveillance in Gaza. 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: They were, you know, looking at spotting within Gaza and 55 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: say hey, they're planning for something big, and they were 56 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: ignored and not listened to. There were actual the actual 57 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: plans that the Israeli government were able to get their 58 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: hands on in advance. That they also didn't believe because 59 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: they didn't think that Hamas had that level of capability. 60 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: And in terms of the world stage, you know, at 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: that point, Sagur the Palestinine cause was basically forgotten. Trump 62 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: had struck these Abraham Accords, where basically the deal was, 63 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: we're going to make these security deals with Golf States 64 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: to effectively forget about caring about Palestinians, and that was 65 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: cited as part of the motivation for Hamas to engage 66 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: in the extraordinary attack on Israeli society that really shook 67 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: that country to the core. Now what we have seen 68 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,559 Speaker 1: since then has been just scenes of devastation and annihilation 69 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: and terrifying escalation into a broadening war that even the 70 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: greatest cynic myself included, I don't think really could have imagined. 71 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: After Ox October seventh. You know, anyone with a brain 72 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: knew that the response was going to be brutal and barbaric, 73 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: because we've seen what Israel has done in the past 74 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: when they've gone in in these mo the lawn type operations, 75 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: but we've never seen anything quite like this. Let's go 76 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: ahead and put the next graphic we have. I believe 77 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: it's D four the number of Palestinians who were killed. 78 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, we really don't know. These 79 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: are the official numbers. This is courtesy of Euromed Monitor 80 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: the official number is fifty two hundred and ninety two 81 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: killed in Gaza. A majority of them have been women 82 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: and children. By the way, I want to say, you know, 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: there's this sort of shorthand of assuming that only the 84 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: women and children are innocent. Of course, there are many 85 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: innocent men who are also killed as part of this, 86 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: but some experts, many experts, believe that the number is 87 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: a lot higher than this. You have no ability of 88 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: Western journalists, very little ability of aid workers to come 89 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: in and operate and actually assess what the true death 90 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: toll here is in the Gaza strip. Let's put this 91 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: next piece up on the screen. There's a group of 92 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: doctors and healthcare workers that recently pend a letter about 93 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: the horrors that they have seen unfolding there. And they 94 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: write this letter and the appendix show probitive evidence that 95 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: the human tole in Gaza since October is far higher 96 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: than is understood in the US. It is likely that 97 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: the death toll from this conflict is already greater than 98 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighteen thousand, that is an astonishing five 99 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: point four percent of Gaza's population. They also write in 100 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: this letter that there is effectively not a single person 101 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: in Gaza who is not sick or injured in some way. 102 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 3: After a year of this just. 103 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: Utter campaign of annihilation and this horrific onslaught, it's not 104 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: that we haven't known what's going on either, not just 105 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: because of the work of brave doctors such as these, 106 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: but also because of the idea of soldiers themselves who 107 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: have gone around on social media routinely bragging about the 108 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: war crimes that they have committed in the Gaza strip. 109 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and play guys. 110 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: D three Al Jazeera put together a documentary that was 111 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: just about the idea of soldiers who were posting through 112 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: it and bragging. Here they're bragging about the burning of 113 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: a Palestinian neighborhood, saying this is what we will do. 114 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: Not a memory will be left of them. We will 115 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: annihilate them to dust. I'm sure you've seen some of 116 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: these images before. This is a Palestinian who is blindfolded 117 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: and being beaten and dragged. You can see these images 118 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: of the station. He says, look at it. We're going 119 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: to show you his back. He was tortured to make 120 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: him speak. Lots of people say that the Israeli forces 121 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't be allowed to take phones into combat. But this 122 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: expert says, listen, I'm actually glad they do, because at 123 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: least it gives us some window into what's happening here. 124 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: And sager, that's part of what has been uniquely horrifying, 125 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: is it's all there for the world to see. And 126 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: yet you know, our government has consistently turned a blind 127 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: eye pretend, you know gas let us tried to pretend like, 128 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: oh no, we care about international law, we care about 129 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: these humanitarian goals, we care about US law, I mean 130 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: our government. Now we've had plenty of evidence and reporting 131 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: to convince everyone that our government is knowingly violating our 132 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: own laws about continuing to ship weapons to Israel, given 133 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: what they have done in the Gaza strips, specifically the 134 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: fact that they we have State Department reports that prove 135 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: that they were in fact inhibiting aid, keeping aid from 136 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: getting to what is now a starving population. And so 137 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: now we sit here a year later, and as I said, 138 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that the greatest cynic could 139 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: have possibly imagined what would unfold in that time, and 140 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: that it would still be ongoing now with no in insight. 141 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: I think for. 142 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: Israel, it was just clear immediately afterwards, when Biden gave 143 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: that famous speech and he's like, look, you have two choices. 144 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: You can do what we did after nine to eleven, 145 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: and you can escalate this and turn this into a 146 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: generational style conflict which could eventually subsume and destroy you 147 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: in the long run, or you know, you can deal 148 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: with this in a more targeted manner. It was clear 149 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: what they decided to do, both for political purposes but 150 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: also in terms of where we stand right now with 151 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: the expansion of the war against Hezbola against Eiron. But 152 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: also I think this has revealed a lot about the 153 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: American political system. It's been very clarifying to me. You know, 154 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: everyone talks about APAC. I think ADL may arguably be 155 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: one of the organizations. I finally understood its purpose and 156 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: all that groundwork that they laid on censorship previously, working 157 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: with the Facebook, Google, YouTube, and all of those others, 158 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: so that they could kick into gear to serve their 159 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: true master. Whenever October seventh happen, not only in the 160 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: protest movement but just generally, we've seen mass censorship happen 161 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: all across the US. But most importantly, I've just seen 162 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: the entire political system become completely obsessed with this foreign nation, 163 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: which at the end of the day is not that 164 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: important to the United States. Hundreds of billions of dollars 165 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: likely lost now from the US our own soldiers, three 166 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: of whom who died, don't forget that, on the Jordanian 167 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: border with Syria. Also the two aircraft carriers. But the 168 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: general political orientation around this conflict and the complete obsession. 169 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 2: You probably saw that Lindsay Graham clip where he's like, 170 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: I'm here in South Carolina responding to this hurricane, but 171 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: we can't forget about our friends in Israel. It's like 172 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: that it was so I don't I always suspected it 173 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: was there, but to see it like so openly and 174 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: nakedly has been really disturbing for me. 175 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: To go back to some of what we've seen unfold 176 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: over the course of the past year. And it's if 177 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: you remember, if you go back to the early phases 178 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: of the war, they'd engage in these long like Israelis 179 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: to engage in these long propaganda campaigns to justify like 180 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: attacking a hospital, right, And it seems almost quaint at 181 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: this point because now at this point, the entire medical 182 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: infrastructure has been destroyed, not to mention schools, refugee camps, everything, 183 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: everything is basically destroyed. We can put D seven up 184 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: on the screen showing the number of buildings that have 185 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: been destroyed in the Gaza strip. I mean, it's just 186 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: there's virtually nothing left. Two thirds two thirds of all 187 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: of the structures mosques, churches, hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, private 188 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: homes two thirds destroyed, one hundred and sixty three thousand 189 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: different buildings damage or flatten. A third of those actually 190 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: were high rises. And we had reporting from plus nine 191 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: seven to two magazine early on about how part of 192 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: their impetus, part of the strategy here was to intentionally 193 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: target civilian infrastructure with the idea of if we cause 194 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: enough pain to the civilian population, then maybe they'll rise 195 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: up against Hamas. Obviously, there is no predicate in history 196 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: of that actually happening. What happens instead is that they 197 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: hate you more. And what happens instead is you create 198 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: more people who want to kill you and who are 199 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: terrorists and have militant ideology. But that has not stopped 200 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: the campaign of utter annihilation because BB Netanyahu and the 201 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: rest of the Israeli government establishment, they needed to bring 202 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: some win after this tremendous security failure. They needed to 203 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: bring some wind these Raeli people. And the wind is 204 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: basically like blood and death and destruction. 205 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: That's the win. 206 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: That's why you see their soldiers bragging about it without impuna. 207 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: I remember all the conversation about like why don't they 208 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: just take their phones? You know, why are they doing this? 209 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: And it's because it's popular. These soldiers who post these things, 210 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: they are celebrated at conferences throughout Israel. 211 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: They are cheered. 212 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: This is finding exactly the audience that they want. And 213 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: the other goal is for Israel to, you know, in 214 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: the very clinical terms, re establish deterrence, meaning prove that 215 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: they can be even more brutal and barbaric than anyone 216 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: else in their quote unquote neighborhood. And so you know, 217 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: that's what we've seen. Just to give a sense of 218 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: the grim, death toll and horror unfolding there, Euromed Monitor 219 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: put together this map of mass graves within the Gaza Strip. 220 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: What you see is some selected number of unmarked mass 221 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: graves that now exist in the Gaza Strip. They're over 222 00:12:53,760 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty newly established mass graves across Gaza strip. 223 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: It's a landscape of death, that's what it is. And 224 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: we've watched it on TikTok, We've seen it in our 225 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: social media folds. 226 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: We've seen it. 227 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes occasionally few images on television. You know, certainly if 228 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: you watch you know, Al Jazer or other non Western media, 229 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: you've seen these images. So no one can say they 230 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on. No one can say 231 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: that they weren't aware of the level of atrocities. And yet, 232 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, you continue to have the US government pretending 233 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: like they don't know and like, oh, this is just 234 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: Israel defending themselves, which is utterly preposterous. Now the war 235 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: has expanded, there have been threats from the beginning of 236 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: effectively we're going to turn Lebanon into Gaza, and Israeli 237 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: is now making good on that threat. 238 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: You've had. 239 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: In just the past couple of weeks, two thousand Lebanese killed. 240 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: We don't know how many are has a lot, how 241 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: many are civilians. We do know there are quite a 242 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: large number of women and children also among these deaths. 243 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: We also know that in just the strike that was 244 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: used to take out I shouldn't say strike, the strikes 245 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: that were used to take out the Estrallo is the 246 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: head of Hesbola. They dropped more bunker buster bombs in 247 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: that one strike than we used in the entirety of 248 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: the Iraq invasion. In that one strike, over eighty two 249 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: thousand pound bunker buster bombs to get one guy. So 250 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: the bombing of Lebanon continues, the bombing of Gaza continues, 251 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: and you know, in terms of the there was a 252 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: lot of conversation early on about the quote unquote day 253 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: after in Gaza could put D nine up on the screen. 254 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: You know, they're finally becoming pretty clear about what the 255 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: plan is here, this is your island, talking about how 256 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: this new plan that is gaining a lot of traction 257 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: within Israel of hey, we're going to close off all 258 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: of northern Gaza and we're going to say you have 259 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: to leave. So once again, these people have been displaced before. 260 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: Now you know, let's displace you again. Let's ethnically cleanse 261 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: this whole area. And if you don't go, we're just 262 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: going to assume you are a quote unquote terrorist and 263 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: we're going to murder you. And once this area has 264 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: been cleansed, then we can come in and as certain 265 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: control of course, we know there have been conferences attended 266 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: by uh Lacud party ministers and other government allies in 267 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: which they're planning out specifically how they're going to resettle 268 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: the entirety of the Gaza strip. You have a huge 269 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: invasion in the West Bank, you have even they're talking about, hey, 270 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: let's establish a buffer zo, let's go ahead and take 271 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: some Elebanon's territory while we're at it. And so again, 272 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: the most cynical projections of genocide, ethnic cleansing and all 273 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: the rest at this point in time undeniable that whether 274 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: that was the goal at the beginning or not among everyone, 275 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: that is certainly. 276 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: Where things are heading. 277 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: And we all just shouldn't lie that those plans have 278 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: widespread acceptance and support within the State of Israel. And yes, 279 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: there is protests within the State of Israel, because the 280 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: hostages at this point have been completely forgotten, completely erased 281 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: from bb NANYAHUO even pretending to care for them. But 282 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: has there been outcries about the brutality with which Palestinian 283 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: civilians have been treated, about this massive death toll, about 284 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: the campaign of complete annihilation, Not much, very little, very 285 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: very little upset about. 286 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 2: That, especially compared to Ukraine, right in terms of the 287 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: way that the initially the US support for Ukraine and 288 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: all that was sold to US. So I think that 289 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: there's a lot to it be said, you know, and 290 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: revealed about US foreign policy and our own objectives, and 291 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: also about the realignment of the world on the Ukraine 292 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: in Israel front and the way that our own words 293 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: will be looked at in the future. But a lot 294 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: of it really just comes back to this whole idea 295 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: of like what American power is used for, what the 296 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: American media is used for, what our own politics are 297 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: captured by, and then very inconvenient facts and others account 298 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: against that that are just dropped and that are not 299 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: emphasized in favor of something is just a very your agenda. 300 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: Here in the US, we're facing you know, bombing of 301 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: Bay Route, and we're facing this massive escalation vis a 302 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: vis Iran. These are some of the you know, massive 303 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: bombing campaigns that are going on right now, Israel bombing 304 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: the city of Bay Route. You have a huge portion 305 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: of the Lebanese population at this point that is also 306 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: completely displaced. And again, you know, US government saying this 307 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: is all fine, and Israel has a right to defend itself. Reminder, 308 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: Hesbola and Lebanon had nothing to do with October seventh, 309 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: and yet here we are. So where we are now 310 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: is basically waiting to see how Israel is going to 311 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: respond to Iran's response to their latest provocations. And you know, 312 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: there's all this debate in the US about which which 313 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: assets should Israel strike. The israelis promising some sort of 314 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: overwhelming response which could certainly plunge the entire region into 315 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: a war, which would certainly drag US into that war, 316 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: given that the FIDE administration has made it clear that 317 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: we would back up Israel on that front. Joe Biden, 318 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: who's barely sentient at this point, got asked about Israel 319 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: potentially striking Iranian oil infrastructure, which would obviously be quite 320 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: significant given how much of the Iranian economy is reliant 321 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: on that oil infrastructure. Let's take a listen to his 322 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: less than impressive response. 323 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 4: Word discussion, I think that would be a little anyway. 324 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: His answer is, I think that would be a little anyway. Yeah, cool, great, 325 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: great response. 326 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: His brain is completely cooked. 327 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: It's crazy. The whole thing is totally nuts. And I 328 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: mean it's one of those where his both ffecklessness and 329 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 2: his dementia are like the worst case scenario at this 330 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: point because it's both a blank check and an incoherent 331 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 2: ability to articulate any boundaries or any of that. Like 332 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: even a more pro Israel president I'm just convinced would 333 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: be at least somewhat more like sentient and is command 334 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: to the facts. Here where this whole like, oh well, 335 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: we're discussing that, and anyways, it's like, what what. 336 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 3: Are we possible? It just bails out. 337 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy, esecially in the context of 338 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: put this next one up there, because this is so 339 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: nuts from I mean, the report is here from the 340 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 2: Jerusalem Post the US to give Israel quote compensation if 341 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: it hits acceptable targets in Iran. So instead of withholding 342 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: any resources in response for not doing what we think 343 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: that they should do with our weapons, we would instead 344 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: crystal pay them and offer them a quote compensation package 345 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: if they do what we desire. And also, you know, 346 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: by the way, in this response, these weapons will be ours, 347 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: these planes and all these will be ours. If they 348 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 2: do hit it and there's a response, we will be 349 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: the ones who are ultimately incurring the costs, So that 350 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: seems like plenty of compensation if you were to just. 351 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: Ask me, why should the Israelis take this seriously? They're like, 352 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: we already get everything we want from you, Well more 353 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: can you give us? 354 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 3: So No, we're good. 355 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: We got everything we need, and we know you're going 356 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: to continue to ship us everything we need. So we're 357 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: going to do whatever the hell we want to do 358 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: because that's what we've been doing the entire time. We 359 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: also got some troubling answer from Donald Trump about whether 360 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: Israel should target or runs nuclear facilities. Lest you think 361 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: that we have a better, less hawkish war anti war 362 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: choice on the ballot this fall, let's take a listen 363 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: to what he had to say. 364 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 5: Biden says that Israel should not target Iranian nuke facilities. 365 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that? What should Israel respond? 366 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 6: I mean, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. It's 367 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 6: the biggest risk we have. The biggest risk we have 368 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 6: is nuclear. I mean to make this statement, please leave 369 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 6: their nuclear alone. I would tell you that that's not 370 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 6: the right answer. That was the craziest answer, because you 371 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 6: know what, soon they're going to have nuclear weapons and 372 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 6: then you're going to have problems, and he. 373 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: Of course has always been extremely hawkish when it comes 374 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: to ron assassinating a costum soul of money, something that Jadie. 375 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: Vance once criticized him for sure different chores. 376 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't heard that critique from Jade Vance in 377 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: a while, but. 378 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 4: Obviously we do. 379 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 2: He's supposed to critique. He's running me. 380 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: Obviously, the belligerence towards Iran continues to this day, even 381 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: going beyond what Joe Biden has said would be appropriate 382 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: in terms of an Israeli response. Also worth just taking 383 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: note that the Israeli bombardment of Lebanon continues. 384 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: We can put this up on the screen. 385 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: Lebanese authorities have said that that those Israeli bombs have 386 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: killed fifty health workers in the past four days, as 387 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: Israeli fighter jets continue to attack medical facilities, mosques and 388 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: other buildings that they claim are being used by Hesbala militants. 389 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: Same playbook what we saw with regard. 390 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: To Hamas you know, disclaim, oh they've got an office 391 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: in the hospital, so we're going to you know, we're 392 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: going to take over the hospital. We're going to destroy 393 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: the hospital, We're going to displace all the civilians there, 394 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: we're going to you know, arrest the doctors, et cetera. 395 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: Same playbook here, the civilians are being used as human 396 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: shields quote unquote. The mosque is really a you know, 397 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: Hesbala militant. 398 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 3: Officer, et cetera, et cetera. And so that's where we are. 399 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: The last thing that I'll point out here can put 400 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: this up on the screen is you know, it's it's 401 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: not obviously we're not causing Israel to pay any sort 402 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: of a. 403 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 3: Price for what they've done to the Gaza strip or 404 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: throughout the region. 405 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: But this was an interesting note picked up here in 406 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: Al Monitor. On the sidelines of a golf meeting, Saudi 407 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: foreign minister said, we intend to close the book on 408 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: disagreements with the Run forever and develop relations between us 409 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: like two friends around in Saudi Arabia or swell. 410 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: Arch rivals buried the hatchet in. 411 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three, following eight Chinese mediated The deal helped 412 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: to re establish diplomatic relations as well as gives Saudi 413 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: Arabia some protection against attacks by Yemen's Iran backed Huthis. However, 414 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: Golf states remained spooked by comments made by US President 415 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: Joe Biden that Israel's and discussions to attack Iranian oil installations. 416 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: Golf leaders worry that their own energy assets may now 417 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: be exposed to Iranian tit for tat proxy attacks by 418 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: Houthis as well. So I mean, basically they're looking at 419 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: this gloves off approach from the US, the fact that 420 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: Israel is, you know, just operating with absolute impunity. They're 421 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: becoming worried about their own assets. They also have to 422 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: worry about you and their own population, which is very 423 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: very pro Palestinian. And so you know, the Chinese and 424 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: the Israelis have helped you accomplish something that would have 425 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: been seen as far fetched previously, which is this Saudi 426 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: Arabia Iran reproach. 427 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: Mop Yes, And I think it's actually quite interesting because 428 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: it just highlights what I was talking about earlier about 429 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: the diplomatic realignment and how things can be really working 430 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: against the US. If you consider all the damage that 431 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: was brought to our reputation both with the invasion of 432 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: Iraq and the subsequent fallout of that, the Israel situation 433 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: has turned it up by fifty. It also just shows 434 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: you the stupidity of thinking that you can resolve all 435 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: of this just through some grand power politics with the 436 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: Abraham Accords, like the Saudis are going to act that 437 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: was in their best interests and everybody always thinks that 438 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: they're all real politic. No, they have to satisfy the 439 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 2: most Islamic hardcore population in the world. They and their 440 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: population is looking on what's that, But what's happening in 441 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: Legaza and in Lebanon every single day. That's why they're 442 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 2: here in this partnership with Iran. So if you think 443 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 2: you can just buy the Saudi's offer any of that, 444 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: it's just not going to happen. There's nothing about their 445 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: past warm policy that indicates that, and if anything, is 446 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: just further isolating us from any potential to be able 447 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: to resolve this or whatever in the future. And it 448 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: also tells you that where for years they were some 449 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: of the most belligerent people against Iran, but in this case, 450 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: look what they're doing. You know, it just tells you 451 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: about where the US falls on the side of this. Well, 452 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: so it's terrifying. 453 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think the US or Israel is probably 454 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: excited about, you know, helping us foster this. 455 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 3: This new alliance. 456 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of other things that 457 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: long term are going to be a problem for Israel. 458 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: There's pulling domestically within Israel. Some quarter of their population 459 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: is just thinking of leaving the country because it's you know, 460 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: bebing Netnyah who has helped to make it a much 461 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: more dangerous play place in spite of all of the 462 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, rhetoric about from Joe Biden about how it's 463 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: the only place Jews are safe. I think Jewish Americans 464 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: are probably much safer, not probably definitely much safer on 465 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: these supposedly very dangerous American college campuses than they are 466 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: in Israel right now. So you have a significant portion 467 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: of the population, especially among secular Jews, who are thinking 468 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: of leaving. You've had a massive economic hit. You have 469 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 1: a country that is increasingly becoming more hard line and 470 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: more isolated on the global stage, where you know, increasingly 471 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: we are their only friend. Even Crown and France like 472 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: briefly floated in arms embargo before completely collapsing. But the 473 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: fact that you see even that being floated at this 474 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: point from a European country is noteworthy in and of itself. 475 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: There you go, all right, We're gonna go ahead and 476 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: get to Gabe Sherman, who is standing by fantastic media 477 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: reporter who has now he's on with a movie, The Apprentice, 478 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: about the origin story of a man we all know 479 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: some love, Donald Trump. 480 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 3: Let's get to that. 481 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: So we're now joined by Gabriel Sherman. He is a 482 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: Vanity Fair special correspondent, also author of the New York 483 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 1: Times bestseller The Loudest Voice in the Room, and as 484 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: I just mentioned, is out with a new movie on 485 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: the origin story of Donald Trump called The Apprentice, which 486 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: will be in theaters nationwide this Friday. Welcome Gabe, Nice 487 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: to have you here. 488 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: Good see man, Thanks for having me. 489 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a look. 490 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: We got a little bit of the trailer of this 491 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: movie to give people a little taste. 492 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a look at that. 493 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is Donald Trump from mister Cohne. Thank you 494 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 4: so much. Donald Who roy Ton, nice to meet you. 495 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: As you roy Ton, You're brutal. 496 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: If you're indicted, you're invited. I know I'm talking. You 497 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 4: have a yes, you got to work on that. 498 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 6: Your face look like annoying. 499 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 4: You have to be willing to do anything. 500 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: To win, all right, So, for better or worse, This 501 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: is a man we all know very intimately at this point, 502 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: more than we ever wanted to know about him. So 503 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: what did you want to communicate in this film that 504 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: is that we don't already know about Donald Trump? 505 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's a great question. 506 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 5: I think, you know, you you talk about things that 507 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 5: we know that really I think was referring to information. 508 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 5: I think what's so revelatory about this movie is that 509 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 5: it is an experience. This is not about if you 510 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 5: want to learn facts about Donald Trump. Anybody can read 511 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 5: Wikipedia and find out information. This Really this movie is 512 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 5: a the emotional rollercoaster ride about how he came from 513 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 5: his you know, kind of anonymous queen's background and set 514 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 5: himself on the course to becoming president. It's the origin story. 515 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 5: It's a Frankenstein story about how Roy Cone, played brilliantly 516 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 5: by Jeremy Strong from Succession, taught Donald Trump the lessons 517 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 5: molded his personality in a way that he displays every 518 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 5: day today. The movie ends in nineteen eighty seven, so 519 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 5: it doesn't touch anything to do with current events. But 520 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 5: over these two hours you see all of the lessons 521 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 5: that when you watch the news today you'll have an 522 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 5: entirely new understanding of how Donald Trump, why and how 523 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 5: he talks the way he does. It's really the ghost 524 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 5: of Roy Cone speaking through Donald Trump. 525 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating. I've recommended your book at the top 526 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: of our show today, the loudest voice in the room. 527 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: And with this movie, could you talk about some of 528 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: the lessons maybe that you brought from reporting for so 529 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: many years on Roger Ayles into Donald Trump and that 530 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: monoculture era, how they both of these two characters kind 531 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: of form to become so influential. 532 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean both are obviously Ales and Trump are 533 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 5: larger than life, you know. I think what they're both 534 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 5: sort of Shakespearean characters who have these operatic rises and falls. 535 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 5: And Roy Cohne, who was Donald Trump's mentor, is one 536 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 5: of the most significant figures of the twentieth century. His 537 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 5: shadow continues to loom over all of us today. The 538 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 5: scorched earth politics, the zero sum politics, the idea that 539 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 5: you never admit defeat, you never back down, and you 540 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 5: always counter attack. All the things that we see transpiring 541 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 5: in our politics today are the lessons that. 542 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 4: Roy Cohne taught Donald Trump. 543 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 5: So I really think this is a movie where you 544 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 5: go on this in crazy rollercoaster ride with these two 545 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 5: characters through the gritty underbelly of New York City in 546 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 5: the nineteen seventies. And you see Donald Trump slowly over 547 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 5: the course of this movie going from kind of an insecure, 548 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 5: awkward son of a real estate air a real estate developer, 549 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 5: to becoming this kind of egomaniacal personality. It's an incredible transformation. 550 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 5: And Sebastian Stan from all of the Marvel movies disappears 551 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 5: into this role as Donald Trump. I got to know 552 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 5: Sebastian well during the shooting, and when I was on set, 553 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 5: it was like, it was really uncanny because I've spent 554 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 5: a lot of time with the real Donald Trump, and 555 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 5: there were just moments where I forgot I was even 556 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 5: watching an actor. 557 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 3: So Donald Trump. 558 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: Is obviously the most divisive figure in American politics, but 559 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: one of the most divisive figures probably in political history. 560 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: How did you not navigate the politics of this? In 561 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: other words, like, is this just a movie for resistance 562 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: libs or do you think that there are some Republican 563 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: Trump supporters who might get something out of it as well? 564 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's a great question, and I think 565 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 5: it's a question that kind of animated this entire project 566 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 5: when I started writing it in the spring of twenty seventeen. 567 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 5: I wanted to write a movie that was a film, 568 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 5: not not propaganda and not you know, it wasn't trying 569 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 5: to advance one side or the other. It's a movie 570 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 5: where I as a as a writer, was trying to 571 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 5: understand what is the what is the backstory? How did 572 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 5: this person who you know is looming so large in 573 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 5: our lives on our TV screens every day, Where did 574 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 5: he come from? What are the forces that actually shaped 575 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 5: his personality? And so you know, there are parts of 576 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 5: this movie where you know, resistant hashtag resistance members would be, 577 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 5: you know, saying why this movie is, you know, too 578 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 5: sympathetic to Donald Trump? And I'm sure there's aspects of 579 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 5: the film where you know, people in the maga world 580 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 5: will say that it doesn't you know, fit their image 581 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 5: of Trump as the Second Coming, and that's okay. I 582 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 5: think what I'm so fascinated by is I want people 583 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 5: to experience this movie and they can take away really 584 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 5: whatever they want from it. It's not it's not a 585 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 5: takedown of Donald Trump, and it's not a love letter. 586 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 5: It's really trying to treat him like a movie character. 587 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 5: You know, it's so interesting about our politics today where 588 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 5: things are so polarized, because if you take, you know, 589 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 5: look at these kind of legendary, iconic movies that tried 590 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 5: to capture a certain subculture or a world like The Godfather, 591 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 5: per se. Right, we don't say is The Godfather an 592 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 5: anti mob movie or a pro mob movie. We all 593 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 5: talked about it as this iconic movie and these Michael 594 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 5: Corleone and are these larger than life characters. 595 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 4: And that's what I was trying to do with this film. 596 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 5: I think of Donald Trump, regardless of what you think 597 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 5: of his politics, is he's this you know, epic character 598 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 5: that has changed the change of the culture, and so 599 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 5: I think he's worthy of a cinematic treatment in the 600 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 5: same way that any other you know, great movie character. 601 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: Is Yeah, totally, I totally agree. I think he sees 602 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 2: himself that way in some aspects, which is why it 603 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: was interested let's put F two please on the screen. 604 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: As the movie has debuted, they've apparently sent a seasoned 605 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: to SIS letter try and block the film's release. What 606 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: do you think is behind that? 607 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 4: Exactly? 608 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: You know, you've, as you said, you've interviewed Donald Trump 609 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: before you spend time around as people, what's the impetus 610 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 2: behind the Season Desists? 611 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 4: Well, well, two things. 612 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 5: First of all, he's never he hasn't seen the movie. 613 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 5: No one in his campaign to my knowledge, has seen 614 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 5: the movie. When this letter was released that you're putting 615 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 5: up on the screen. Yeah, this was hours after the 616 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 5: movie had its world premiere at the can Film Festival 617 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 5: in May, so that was the first time anybody outside 618 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 5: of our filmmaking team had seen this film. Donald Trump 619 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 5: clearly hadn't seen it. So this was just sort of 620 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 5: sight unseen firing off a letter. And in fact I 621 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 5: was kind of laughing at the time because it was 622 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 5: an instance of really life was imitating art because in 623 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 5: the film, Roy Cone teaches young Donald Trump the number 624 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 5: one lesson, which is always to go on the attack. 625 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 5: And so this Season Desists letter was the perfect exit, 626 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 5: real life example of that. What I think is going 627 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 5: on there, I mean, he hasn't seen the film, so 628 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 5: you know they're launching this attack without really having any 629 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 5: real information. 630 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 4: So I hope. I guess. 631 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 5: My wish is that people reserve judgment and they're welcome 632 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 5: to weigh in, but way in after you see the movie. 633 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 4: Don't just attack something that you haven't seen. 634 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 3: Sure, I know you say. 635 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: The film ends before the current political moment, and the 636 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: film focuses on kind of the psychological forces and character 637 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: influences on Donald Trump's personality. But I wonder if you 638 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: also put thought into the cultural moment that also helps 639 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: to enable Donald Trump's rise to become you very unlikely 640 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: president of the United States. 641 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. 642 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 5: I think the movie, yes, it explores this this intimate 643 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 5: relationship between Roy Cone and his protege, his apprentice, Donald Trump, 644 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 5: which is the you know, inspiration for the title of 645 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 5: the film. But it really also exposes the system, the 646 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 5: system of corruption, and the rise of media and tabloid 647 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 5: culture in New York City in the nineteen seventies, in 648 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 5: the nineteen eighties, which Donald Trump really learned how to harness. 649 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,720 Speaker 5: There's this great scene in the film where Donald Trump's 650 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 5: mother is reading a New York Times profile of Trump, 651 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 5: which was the first major newspaper profile of Trump that 652 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 5: was published in nineteen seventy six, And she's sitting with 653 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 5: him in the family living room and she's reading how 654 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 5: the New York Times writer compares Trump to quote Robert 655 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 5: Redford and how good looking he was. And I was 656 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 5: struck because that scene is based on the actual real article. 657 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 5: I just quoted verbatim from what the New York Times 658 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 5: wrote about Donald Trump in nineteen seventy six. So the 659 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 5: irony is that, you know, Trump bashes the media, Trump 660 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 5: attacks the failing New York Times. 661 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 4: And yet this. 662 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 5: Movie really shows how the mass media culture of the 663 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 5: nineteen seventies and eighties was responsible for building up the 664 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 5: myth of Donald Trump. Donald Trump benefited from the media. 665 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: You know that I want to run by you this 666 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: theory that I have about Trump and his evolutions since 667 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: he burst on the political scene. I mean, he'd been 668 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: sort of in the political scenes before this, but in 669 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, in twenty sixteen, he's very. 670 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 3: Clearly like a product of the tabloids. 671 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: Right sensational list, right outrageous, but kind of finger on 672 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 1: the pulse still, but you know, it's very tabloid. Way 673 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, he feels more to me like sort 674 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: of like Fox News Grandpa. You know, he's been swimming 675 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: in the circles of like traditional mainstream conservative Rupert Murdoch media, 676 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 1: and then now he feels to me, like Twitter under 677 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: Elon and there's a whole New York Times analysis. We 678 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: actually pulled it, we could put it up on the screen, 679 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: But they did a whole analysis of his speeches now 680 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: versus twenty sixteen, and it's longer now, it's angrier, and 681 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: it's more rambling and whatever. And they frame it as 682 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: a question of age. That is probably part of it, 683 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: But I also feel like it's also a question of 684 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: the type of media that he's consuming and playing into, 685 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: perhaps as much as it is a question of his age. 686 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 687 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,919 Speaker 5: I mean, I think you just have sort of chronicled 688 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 5: the the last you know, almost decade of Trump's performance 689 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 5: as a public figure. We you know, when I spend 690 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 5: a lot of time with him, I found him to be, 691 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 5: you know, obviously you know, very aggressive, and but he's 692 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 5: I think the one thing that really enabled Trump in 693 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 5: especially his early political rise in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, 694 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 5: was he was funny. 695 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 4: I think I think. 696 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 5: Humor and and and comedy really underpinned all of you know, 697 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 5: and helped to soften his you know, scorched earth style 698 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 5: of politics. 699 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 4: And I think unfortunately, what has happened. 700 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 5: Over time as he's gotten older, or perhaps as he's 701 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 5: only just you know, sort of consumed right wing media, 702 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 5: is that his speeches have become less there. You know, 703 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 5: there's there's a less of a lightness or a comedy 704 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 5: to them. 705 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 4: He's just it's just pure rage. It's pure anger. 706 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 5: And you know, that might appeal to the really core 707 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 5: MAGA base. But I think the things that made Donald 708 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 5: Trump appealing to people who didn't follow politics so closely 709 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 5: in twenty fifteen was the sense that he was making 710 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 5: politics entertaining. And he's just if you just judge him 711 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 5: as a entertainer, he's less entertaining now. He's not as 712 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 5: good of a performer as he was, you know, five 713 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 5: eight years ago. So I think you're onto something. And 714 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 5: I read that Peter Baker piece in the New York 715 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 5: Times very closely, and I thought that the analysis was fascinating. 716 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 5: How he's using angrier words, he's they're longer, his sentences 717 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 5: don't track. So if he in fact does not win 718 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 5: the election in November, I think one of the takeaways 719 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 5: could would be that he was just less a skilled communicator. 720 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 5: I think Donald Trump's communication power was so central to 721 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 5: his rise, and if he doesn't win it will be 722 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 5: a sign that his communication power has faded. 723 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a really good insight. Well, I'm 724 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 2: excited to see the film. It's out on what does 725 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 2: it just say? Friday? 726 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 4: All theater Friday and movie theaters. Please tell your friends all. 727 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 2: Right, I'll be there. I'll be watching with my AMC credits. 728 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 2: So thanks for having Okay, thanks for coming on. 729 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 4: Thank you, appreciate it. 730 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 3: Great to have you, Gabe, Thank you. Thank you guys 731 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 3: so much for watching. 732 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 2: We appreciate you. Take advantage of that discount if you can, otherwise, 733 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 2: we will see you all tomorrow.