1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: All right, what's going on everybody? 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: It's the Christmas edition of Splash Hit Territory. Merry Christmas, everybody, 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: Happy holidays, and join us once again as our frequent 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: contributor Susan Sluser. 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Susan, how we doing great? 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 3: Marry almost Christmas to you. Big week coming up and 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 3: we've got New Year's next week. All sorts of fun 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: stuff and plenty of Giants baseball to talk about. 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Always plenty of Giants baseball. 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: But the best Christmas you could possibly best Christmas present 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 2: you could possibly give. 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: Everybody is subscribing. 13 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: To our show. So there it is right there. Subscribe 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: to Splash Hit Territory. Next goals three thousand. I think 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: we're right around two thousand right now. So we're trying 16 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: to get this big. We're doing two shows a week 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: during the off season. We're gonna do three shows a 18 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: week during the season. 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Yeah, where are we talking to you? 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 5: Where are you? 30 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 4: I'm down south southern California kind of doing a roll 31 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 4: call of family members from here to there, So I 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: plan to be in some warm weather and cold weather 33 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: these coming days. 34 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 5: Sounds fantastic, pretty ideal. 35 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 3: Well, we thought you would be a really good person 36 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: to have on for many a reason. But you know, 37 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: we'll talk some Hall of Fame stuff coming up later. 38 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: Obviously you've been a voter for a long time and 39 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: you covered Jeff Kent, so we want to get some 40 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: of your thoughts on that. But since the year is 41 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: kind of wrapping down here, let's start a little bit 42 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: with the Giants and there season. My first question for 43 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: you is, how would you characterize twenty twenty five the 44 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 3: whole thing from start to now for the San Francisco Giants. 45 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 4: You mean the off season or from the regular season on. 46 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: We just talking about whatever you whatever you think, the 47 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 3: whole regular season plus maybe even go and dipping into 48 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 3: this offseason. 49 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 5: But we've got specific off season question. 50 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: It's still amazing. 51 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: I'm sure you agree that even Buster Posey has taken 52 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: on this gigantic task of turning the franchise around, because 53 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 4: in the history of the Giants, I don't remember so 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: many five hundred, five hundred ish seasons back to back 55 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 4: to back to back to back to back. It's all 56 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: we see, it's all we end up with. And I 57 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: thought Bob Melvin was the right guy. It didn't seem 58 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 4: to be the case according to Posey and company, even 59 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: though it was the case in early July, then in 60 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: early late September he wasn't the guy. And you know, 61 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 4: from picking up the option to firing him. So I'm 62 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 4: looking at all these college football games and even NFL games. 63 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: Every coach is Tony Vitello. Every coach just has incredible 64 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 4: enthusiasm and passion and drive and will, and they're all 65 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 4: great talkers in the clubhouse or locker room after a game, 66 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 4: after a win or after a loss. It's ross stuff. 67 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 4: And I guess that's twenty twenty five. I mean, it's 68 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 4: not Felipe Alu, right, it's not Joe Tory and everyone 69 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 4: you had in between, for sure, But maybe that's the trend. 70 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 4: Maybe Buster Posey is cutting edge because it works in 71 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 4: other sports. It's one hundred and sixty two games, it's 72 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 4: a grind. It's a daily story. Instead of a weekly 73 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: story Saturday or Sunday on the gridiron, it airs every 74 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 4: day on the diamond. It's so different. And the fascinating 75 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: thing is Susan, I think and FPI when you and 76 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: I and all of us are in the press box 77 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 4: next year, it's like we're not watching the field, We're 78 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 4: not watching the game, We're watching the dugout. We want 79 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: to see this guy's mannerisms. We want to see if 80 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: he explodes. We want to see if he chest bumps 81 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 4: a guy after a single, you know, is he is 82 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 4: he going to be dynamic? Is he going to be 83 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 4: laid back? That's the story. You know, the wins and 84 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: the losses will come, but I just want to see 85 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 4: how this guy from the first day of spring training 86 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 4: on manages himself and shoot Buster Posey. We've all known 87 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 4: in love for many years, since draft day when he 88 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 4: was taken, you know, in the first round by the Giants, 89 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, he's the key to three 90 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: championships and I don't know many other giants. You know, 91 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 4: you put Mays McCovey on the list who have been 92 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 4: respected so much as people and baseball mind, so to 93 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 4: have this play out after one year was disappointing. Buster 94 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: keeps saying we're better than that. I'm not sure they 95 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 4: were better than that. I think they were. I think 96 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: we witnessed a five hundred team because there was no depth. 97 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 4: So how it plays out in twenty six is going 98 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 4: to be a lot of fun. 99 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: I'm all about the Rara. 100 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: You guys know that, But I want to know John, 101 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: how you think that translates into one hundred and sixty 102 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: two games and with grown men. So we're talking about college, 103 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: We're talking about eighteen to twenty one year old kids. 104 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: In football, you're talking about fourteen fifteen games a year. 105 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 2: Now you have grown men making thirty forty million dollars 106 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: a year with families in one hundred and sixty two games. 107 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: How do you think that translates into baseball? 108 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 4: In college, you can't say no to the coach, right 109 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 4: because he determines your playing time. 110 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: Well, you can get in the transfer portal. So yeah, yeah, 111 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: I understand it's. 112 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: Different now, But in the pros, you know, unless you're 113 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: an A ball or double A, you can say no, hey, 114 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 4: I'm not going to play today or whatever. And even 115 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: Tony LaRussa, the you know, kind of a red ass 116 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: manager back in the day. He gave Ricky and Jose 117 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 4: and all these guys leverage to show up, lay or 118 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 4: miss a game. He took care of those guys. So 119 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 4: even the hardest manager is sometimes soft on players. But 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 4: in college you don't have to be soft on anybody. Yeah, 121 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 4: you could lose a guy to a transfer portal, but 122 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: at Tennessee, I mean, that's kind of a destination college, 123 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 4: so you want to go there, and once you're there, 124 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 4: you better listen to the coach unless you're just a 125 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 4: super superstar and he's going to play regardless. But that's 126 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 4: going to be part of the story how they listened. 127 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: Willie Domas Ralfie Devers totally different cultures than a Matt 128 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: Chapman who went to college who gets it, who hung 129 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 4: out with Drew Gilbert and thought Drew was cool. Now, 130 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 4: I think Willie did two to an extent. You know, 131 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 4: we just saw him at the tail end of the 132 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 4: season and he was fun to watch, But how's that 133 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 4: going to play? And how's the opposing picture when witnessing 134 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 4: Drew Gilbert and all these antics that are going on, 135 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 4: If they are going on in twenty six, you know, 136 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 4: there's still some Madison Bumgarners out there. And the players 137 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 4: determine that they police the game right, they police They've 138 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 4: always they always had that. It's their game. And what 139 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: fans watch, what media watch, is the culmination of what 140 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 4: the players want to do, how they how they want 141 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 4: to police themselves and and and that's always been the thing, 142 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 4: you know, MLB, the commissioner and the umpires, Let the 143 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: players play. Let the players police themselves, and we'll see 144 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 4: if that plays. 145 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: John Way, I think the one thing we really learned 146 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: about Buster this year, and I maybe we shouldn't have 147 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: been surprised knowing Buster Posey as a player, but he's 148 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 3: obviously very willing to go bull, to go against the grain. 149 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: The Devers deal obviously huge, nobody saw it come in. 150 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: And then the Tony Vtello hire. Did this surprise you though, 151 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: even knowing that the Vitello higher And what's the potential 152 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: now for something off the wall this offseason given all 153 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: the needs they have? 154 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think fans are real critical right now, 155 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: it's doomsday. But MLB rosters aren't created in one week 156 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 4: like NBA rosters. You know, where Lebron and kd go, Okay, 157 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 4: we're done. We just need two more players and that's it. 158 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: And it doesn't work that way in baseball. It's a 159 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 4: four month off season, sometimes longer if it goes into 160 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 4: February and March. So I think it's kind of premature 161 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 4: to say, you know, the Giants aren't doing things right. 162 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 4: Even though the Dodgers and the Diamondbacks and the Padres 163 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 4: all have spent somewhat big so far, the Giants really haven't. 164 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 4: You know, what is it? The pitcher for twenty two, 165 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: another picture for one point four, and that's kind of it. 166 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 4: They haven't really done anything except some waiver claims on 167 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 4: the offensive side. And you know, I mean this is 168 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: this is a fan base at Selbuster. Right at the 169 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 4: heart of the winter meetings, if not before, signed William 170 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 4: Damas to the biggest contract ever in franchise history, bigger 171 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: than his own. And now it's virtually nothing because we 172 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 4: haven't seen any star power, and the free agent pool 173 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: of unsigned players is still pretty potent and powerful on 174 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 4: the pitching side, and the hitting side, and they don't 175 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 4: have to go big on guys, they don't have to 176 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: spend a lot. But I still wouldn't be surprised if 177 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: he if he pulls out a singer between now and 178 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: spring training, because that's him, and when you least expect it, 179 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 4: he'll he'll do it. And and good for him, because 180 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: that's all the talk will just suddenly go away overnight. 181 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: Oh you know it's Greg Johnson not spending. It's Buster 182 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: Posey being far anxiety all over again. It's it's Zach 183 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 4: Minaji and you know, not not being all in on 184 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 4: the big big names, especially in the rotation. You know 185 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: that all goes away as soon as we see the 186 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 4: final roster. 187 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 5: I think, go ahead. 188 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: Well, I think you gotta be careful in any organization, 189 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: said you try to piece the fan base with a 190 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: move just to make a move. Yeah, and you have to, 191 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: you have to stick to your plan. But you talked 192 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: about a singer. What what would be that zinger? 193 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: What what would what? What move would just get us 194 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: all excited and and and be a smart move on 195 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: top of it. 196 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 4: Well, if they don't go heavy for you know, the 197 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 4: Veldezes and the Suarez is and the emis Zach Allen 198 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: is well, you know, I mean his metrics as advanced 199 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 4: numbers are trending kind of in the wrong direction, which 200 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 4: means he won't be as expensive. I mean trending in 201 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 4: the wrong direction. I think of a Barry Zito when 202 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: he went from Oakland to San Francisco, which wasn't good 203 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 4: except for two postseason games over all those years. But 204 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: maybe they think they're smart enough to turn Zach Allen 205 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 4: into what he was. But I wouldn't mind seeing a 206 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 4: lower level. And if they're not willing to spend big, 207 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: there's still there's still you know, Chris Bassett, right, he's 208 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 4: out there, Lucas Dildo and Harrison Bader in the outfield, 209 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: you put him in center and moved Jounghu to right. 210 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: You got a much better defensive outfield because he's Gold 211 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 4: Club Gold Glove caliber out there in center, and maybe 212 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: a little deeper lineup because he's coming off a career year. 213 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: But somebody like that where it's not it's not the 214 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 4: top end guys, and it's it's it's the it's the 215 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 4: fellas in the middle. Who if you're what forty million 216 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 4: dollars away from the tax threshold, and that's what you're 217 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 4: looking at, two hundred and forty two million or whatever. 218 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 4: Then what are they forty forty five million away from 219 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: that now on the forty man roster side anyway? For 220 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 4: tax purposes? Then those are the kinds of guys, you know, 221 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 4: Are they zingers? Maybe no, but it's a lot more 222 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 4: depth than they have. Now, what do you guys think? 223 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 5: Well, I don't. 224 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: I don't think that's a zinger. But I've been kind 225 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 3: of the Cody Bellinger drum a while that he's the 226 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 3: perfect guy for a team that needs both offense and 227 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: defense in the outfield, he'd be perfect if he want 228 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: to if you want a real big one, and I, 229 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: you know, you and I both talked to Greg Johnson 230 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: after the season and he told us both sort of 231 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 3: similar thing that they don't really want to spend, you know, 232 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: they don't want a lot of nine figure salaries, they 233 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 3: don't want a lot more five six year deals. But 234 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: he also indicated that they're pretty comfortable going over the 235 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: tax threshold, and he's been pretty consistent with that. Buster 236 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: Posey sounded pretty confident that if he takes a deal 237 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: to ownership, that makes sense that they'll support him. So 238 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: I'm a little confused on a little bit of mixed 239 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 3: messaging maybe from ownership to both you and me. But 240 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 3: I you know, the fact that Buster was able to 241 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 3: talk them into devors last year makes me that I'm 242 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 3: definitely listening to Buster. 243 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 4: Right, and they can talk all they want behind closed doors, 244 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 4: and the consensus obviously going into that press conference when 245 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 4: when Greg Johnson spoke and thereafter was hey, you know, 246 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 4: we got to kind of watch the purse here. We're 247 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 4: spending all this money on real estate. I mean, the 248 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 4: fans say, who cared? But at the same time, Larry 249 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,599 Speaker 4: Bear says, all those investments are going to help the 250 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 4: team hasn't so far, all that money they're making over 251 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 4: on lot A maybe hasn't helped generate more revenue for 252 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: all it has, but maybe they haven't spent it on 253 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 4: the payroll yet. But they said it's coming. And it 254 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 4: was funny though, when we were sitting in Buster Suite 255 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 4: Susan first day of the winter meetings and he said 256 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 4: that to us. He said, well, you know, when we said, 257 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 4: you know, Greg Johnson been pretty hard. You know, you 258 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: must have some restrictions here, right, He said, well, you know, 259 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 4: love the ownership, love the partnership, and they know and 260 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 4: we know that if we find a special player and 261 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 4: bring it to them that they could budget. They said, 262 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: oh okay, so it's not quite there's not like a 263 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 4: Etchton stone line. We can't go over here. So that's 264 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 4: that he really softened what Greg Johnson told us. So 265 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 4: I think that's that's good news for a Giant fans. 266 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 4: So yeah, if they come to one of those top 267 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: end free agents still out there from the outfield side 268 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 4: or the pitching side, I mean, they got to be 269 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 4: in it. There's a lot of players left over, and 270 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 4: it's late December and this is going to go into January. 271 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just I just think you try to 272 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: go for winning players and it. 273 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: Might not be the sexy move. 274 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe on the pitching side the sexy move works, 275 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: But when you talk about the giants of the past, 276 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: like the hundred Pences, and I don't want to lump 277 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: in Marco Scutero and Cody Ross and Pat Burland. 278 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 4: Guys like that. 279 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: I want winning players, scrappy players that are going to 280 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: try to find a way to beat you, because when 281 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: you just like measure it on paper against the Dodgers, 282 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: there's not one team in the big leagues that measures 283 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: up to that, So how do you compete with a 284 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: team like that? And to me, it's about having winning championships, 285 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: players that are going to outwork you out, find a 286 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: way to beat you out, find a way to scout you, 287 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: like whatever it is. 288 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: You just outwork everybody. 289 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: And I know that sounds idealistic, and you got to 290 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: have your horses to win, but they already got some horses. 291 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: On this roster. So how do you compete? 292 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: You turn over every stone and you just surround yourself 293 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: with like guys that battle and fight and scrap and 294 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: claw that find a way to win. And it might 295 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: not be the sexy name that we're all looking for. 296 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: It might be a handful. 297 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Of guys that you know, hit six, seven, eight nine. 298 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: They're going to fight you every single day and run 299 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: up pitch counts and not put up tremendous numbers, but 300 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: put up solid numbers, and play great defense, and run 301 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: the bases aggressively intelligently, and just play hard every night 302 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: and be a reflection of the manager with enthusiasm. And 303 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: I think that's why Buster hired Tony Vaytello kind of 304 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: out of the box hire back to the. 305 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: Original conversation about the raw ros stuff. 306 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: I don't know that it has to be raw row, 307 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: but it has to be energy on a daily basis. 308 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 2: It has to be an attitude and a mindset that 309 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: we're going to find a way to be every night 310 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: even if we're out manned. I mean, that's how they 311 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: won three World Series. They weren't the most talented team 312 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: in the tournament any one of those years. They were 313 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: the hottest team In twenty ten, twelve, I was like, oh, 314 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: they're out in the first round, and then they found 315 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: a way and fourteen kind of the same thing, but 316 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: they had that magical thing going. I don't know if 317 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: there's any analytic to measure that, but you know, I 318 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: think they're on the right track. I would like to 319 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: see some guys like Harrison Vader. He would be my 320 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: number one. I don't think he's an everyday guy, but 321 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: he's definitely can crush lefties and play a great center 322 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: field and be your center fielder in the seventh and 323 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: eighth to ninth every inning if you have a lead. 324 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I'm going to this. 325 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: Remember, as Susan, we talked to Buck last time, and 326 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: he's like, you can compete with the big boys if 327 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: you out scout them out, prepare them out, attitude them, 328 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: outwork them. He said, there's a way to find a 329 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: way to. 330 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: Win in this division. 331 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: John, Do you see any way that these guys can 332 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: compete in this division right now as it stands as 333 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: the Stans. 334 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: No, but again, there's a few months left before opening day. 335 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 4: And everything you described in a player right then was 336 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 4: Willie Damas because you look what he did previously. He 337 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 4: was on winning teams virtually every year, playoff teams virtually 338 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: every year, and he was in the heart of that 339 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 4: that roster, the middle of the infield guy, middle of 340 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: the lineup guy. And you saw his mannerisms. He was 341 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 4: a bonding guy. He got everyone on the same page. 342 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 4: He was a leader. He plays every day. Matt Chapman 343 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 4: plays every day, and Raffie Devers plays every day. Those 344 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 4: are three core guys who don't just you know, produce, 345 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 4: they strike out, weigh too much, but they show up, 346 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 4: they post, they play every day. Chapman got hurt, so 347 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 4: he didn't win a gold Glove, but he's basically a 348 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 4: gold Glove winner every time he plays one hundred and 349 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 4: fifty games and he usually does. And Devers played one 350 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: hundred and sixty three over two teams. It's like Jose 351 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 4: Pagan nineteen six. I think it was the last time 352 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 4: when they played one hundred and sixty five with that 353 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 4: Dodger Giant three game match after one sixty two. But anyway, 354 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 4: it's it's guys like that Vader or whomever Hunter Pens 355 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 4: played one hundred and sixty two. You know, it's guys 356 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 4: like that who who show up every day and play 357 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 4: and are durable and want to be in the lineup, 358 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 4: don't want days off, and Devors might want a day off, 359 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 4: meaning okay, I'll d h once or twice a week. 360 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 4: That's his day off. You know, fine, you know, keep 361 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 4: him off his feet for you know, once or twice 362 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 4: a week so that you know he is healthy over 363 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 4: the whole whole season. But I mean, if you could, 364 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: you know, Casey Schmid, is he the answer at second well, 365 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 4: if they find an outfielder, he is. And Zach Susan 366 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 4: told us the other day that for now he's the guy. 367 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 4: You know. They really like what he does and he's 368 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: got a great upside. I thought a few years ago 369 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 4: he was going to be the everyday shortstop on this debut. 370 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 4: So good out there in the limited reps I saw, 371 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 4: and you know, his power numbers were playing up, and 372 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: you know, again the strikeouts. Wester loves contact. He loved 373 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 4: Dom Smith. You know, they have three first basement if 374 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 4: they sign him and don't trade Bryce Eldridge, which is 375 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 4: another factor. But it just seems that the further we 376 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 4: get into the off season, by the way, it seems, 377 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 4: the more we all believe they're going to keep Eldridge. 378 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 5: You agree, I don't agree. 379 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think anything's still on the tip. They just 380 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 3: have so many needs and I you know, the guys 381 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 3: you mentioned they play all the time. They've got great attitudes, 382 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 3: team leader type guys, but they still finished even last year. 383 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 5: So to me, they need quite. 384 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: A bit more in my opinion, especially offensively and especially 385 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: the outfield defense, which was abysmal. And I'm going to 386 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 3: try not to make any current theater jokes when you 387 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: talk about the real estates visa vis the Giants and 388 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: free agency, but that was a that was an interesting 389 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 3: little purchase that I know has a fan base. 390 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 4: Is he a righty or a lefty? 391 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: If they just have Hamilton there the whole time. They 392 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: can get a lot of players. I feel like. 393 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: Programming is the guy that knows nothing about theater or 394 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: Broadway or anything like that. 395 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 5: I just saw a terrific show there. 396 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 3: They do the Golden Girls Christmas episodes this time of 397 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: year and it was so fun. So's shout shout out, 398 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: not just not just going to make fun of the 399 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: current theater. 400 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: Look at your bench player maybe girls. Yeah, And I mean. 401 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 4: The giants say they bought it for the betterment of 402 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: San Francisco. Okay, that's probably true, but also it's going 403 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: to be a revenue source. I mean they're not They're 404 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 4: not silly. They know what they're doing. They invest in 405 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 4: San Francisco for a lot more reasons than the betterment 406 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 4: of the city. It's to make a lot of money. 407 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: And pretty much the initial investors of this team back 408 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 4: in ninety three, they were all real estate folks around 409 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 4: town and from Shorenstein and all these investors, all these 410 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 4: in real estate, in the market whatever, you know, they're 411 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 4: smart people. And now we see the offspring of those 412 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 4: folks who are kind of taken over for them, and 413 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 4: they have new investors in but it's still San Francisco 414 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 4: real estate is a big deal. 415 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: The kind of on along the lines of older time 416 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: San Francisco. You obviously were my colleague for a very 417 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: long time the San Francisco Chronicle, and you wrote so 418 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: beautifully about Willie Mace for so long. Your biography of 419 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 3: him is absolutely a must read for any baseball fan. 420 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 3: To me, it's one of the best ever. Also, your 421 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: Ricky autobiography is for Asva, It's also a must But 422 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 3: what was going back two years twenty twenty four? Just 423 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 3: how would you describe that year for you personally, because 424 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: you worked so hard on that wonderful Road to Rickwood 425 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: series in the run up and then obviously Willie Mays 426 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 3: dies in the middle of the run up for that, 427 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 3: and you had known him and been really close friends 428 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: with him for quite some time. 429 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was I tell people every time I see 430 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 4: them in the league, I said, you know, that Rickwood week, 431 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 4: that Rickwood game, that Rickwood event was one of the 432 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 4: best things you guys have ever done. It was masterful 433 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 4: and from the field to the history, to the former 434 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 4: Negro leaguers to honoring May's And the game was on 435 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 4: a Thursday and we lose Willie on the Tuesday. And 436 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: it's still stunning because Willy was a guy who always 437 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 4: got up for the big event, you know, whether it's 438 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 4: on the field or some reunion he's invited to at 439 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 4: the ballpark, or his birthday celebration at the ballpark, especially 440 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: in his later years when he wasn't getting around very well, 441 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: he wasn't seeing well and he was in a chair. 442 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: But when the day came, he was ready and he 443 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 4: got his mind and body on target to be there. 444 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 4: So when I got the call Tuesday at about three 445 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 4: o'clock California time, it was stunning because I said, no, 446 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: that's not true. Because Willie's events coming in. You know, 447 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 4: it might as well call it the Willy Maids Classic, right, 448 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 4: it was to honor the Negro leagues, but it was 449 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 4: really to honor Mays and and I just couldn't believe it. 450 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 4: I said, no, no, he always gets up for the 451 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: big game. This is this is a crank call. And 452 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 4: sure enough we lost Willie just he just you know, 453 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 4: some hard issues. He just stopped breathing. And Dusty Baker 454 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 4: visited him the day before on his way to Birmingham, 455 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 4: and you know, while we all knew he wasn't doing well. 456 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 4: Nobody ever imagined this is going to be the end, 457 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: you know, like we know some people we know dearly. 458 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 4: He say, oh, you know, it's probably got a day, 459 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: maybe two. But with May's. The doctor even came in 460 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 4: that morning, visited Willie and took some blood, did some 461 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: tests and left thinking, okay, he's fine. And one of 462 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 4: the most emotional stories I I've been told about that 463 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 4: those final hours is when the doctor came in to 464 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 4: draw blood. You know, he couldn't he couldn't get a grip. 465 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 4: He couldn't you know, they couldn't find a vein. They couldn't. 466 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 4: They couldn't do it. So Renee Anderson gives Willie Mays, 467 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 4: you know the one thing that you know he's he's 468 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 4: had in his hand a million times, and that's a baseball. 469 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 4: H holds the baseball. Now you can draw blood. And 470 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 4: they went, so it's the last baseball, you know WILLI 471 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 4: ever gripped. And so anyway, you know, I had visited 472 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 4: him six days before he died, just to see him 473 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 4: and say hi, and I kicked myself. I say, hey, Willy, 474 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 4: anything I can get you in Birmingham, like a cap 475 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 4: or a t shirt, and I said, this is Willie Mays. 476 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 4: You can get on the phone and get like dozens 477 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: of boxes of hats and T shirts. What am I doing? 478 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 4: Asking to stay in line? We get a little hat 479 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 4: for Willie Mays, No though, I did on his nineth 480 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 4: birthday get him an old BBB baseball cap, like a 481 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 4: profitted uh Birmingham Black Bearn's cap. And I called up Murphy. 482 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 4: I said, what's his size? And you know, it's like 483 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 4: half the size of Bochie and he said, okay, I'm 484 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 4: getting that. So but it was so emotional, and yeah, 485 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 4: that year that was that was a big year in 486 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 4: Giants history because we lost Orlando, we lost Willie, and man, 487 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 4: you know, we honored Willy at the ballpark, then we 488 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: honored Orlando at the ballpark. And it's like, you know, 489 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 4: the these these people you see when you're in high school, 490 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 4: growing up as a kid, and then you get the 491 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: honor to actually be in the major league clubhouse and 492 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 4: there's Willie over there holding court. And that, Susan was 493 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 4: when in two thousand and Brian Murphy and I came 494 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 4: over from the Examiner and you and Henry Shulman, so 495 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 4: we kind of had two of everything. So Murph became 496 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 4: a golf writer. Henry had the giant speak, you had 497 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 4: the A'SB. And I became national guy. And at that 498 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: point I said, Okay, this is I'm going to spend 499 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 4: all my time, you know, just stepping back and writing 500 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 4: about these guys. And May's was always there, right, he 501 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 4: was always there at PI. Every time you were in 502 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 4: the club, you were a giant. You saw Mays, you 503 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 4: saw McCovey, and you went to other. You went to 504 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 4: other You didn't see like Cofacts every day at Dodgers Dadium. 505 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 4: You see Bench every day in Cincinnati, or Ernie Banks 506 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 4: or any Billy Williams every day at Wrigley. But you 507 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 4: saw Mays, McCovey and all these legends. And the first 508 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 4: thing they ever did was visit Murse's office because that's 509 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 4: the one common denominator for all these guys and that's 510 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 4: where they hung out. It was beautiful and those are 511 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 4: memories that never go away. 512 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 5: That's great stuff, Susan. 513 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: You got anything else? I feel like we should end 514 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: it right there. Well, unless you do. 515 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: We did promise some thoughts on Jeff Kent because John 516 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: covered Jeff Kent. And then when Jeff Kent went in 517 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 3: to the hall on the off the Veterans Committee, the 518 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 3: Eras Committee. John John asked all the most probing questions 519 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 3: I would say if he had he had Kent and 520 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 3: tears not once, but numerous times, first on the phone 521 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: call with writers and then the during the press conference 522 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: at the winter meetings. 523 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: So well, he just almost made me cry right now. 524 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: So maybe that's his thing. 525 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 2: He's just like you make people cry, now, John, that's well, 526 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: you think about it. 527 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 4: I went into that press conference thinking, okay, who are 528 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 4: the giants Hall of Famers that spent most of their 529 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 4: time in San Francisco. I mean, you know, we can't 530 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 4: count Steve Carlton or Goose Gossage or or or or 531 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 4: Gary Carter, any of these guys who were one and 532 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: done or two and done. And who are the guys 533 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 4: who were there, spent most of their time in San 534 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 4: Francisco and or did their best work in San Francisco. Well, 535 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 4: it's the statues, It's the Five Statues. It's Mays and 536 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: Marshall and Perry and and McCovey and and Sapada. So 537 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 4: when I asked him that question, the first question that 538 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 4: or maybe not the first question. But anyway, I said, 539 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: I said, Jeff, you know there have been five of 540 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 4: these and they're all statues. You know, May's, McCovey, Cepada, Marshall, Perry, 541 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 4: and now Jeff Kent. What do you think about that? 542 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 4: What do you say to that? And he he just 543 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 4: couldn't talk. He says, I don't belong. He says, there's 544 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 4: no way you can pin me with those guys. So 545 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 4: the more he talked, the more broken up you got. 546 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 4: It was pretty emotional to watch, and nobody was going 547 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: to interrupt them. He was on his own out there, 548 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 4: and we never saw that at his locker. He was 549 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: always the hard dude, you know, don't get in that 550 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 4: my face. And you had to come with him, just 551 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 4: like Buster, just like Barry, just like a lot of 552 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 4: these guys have Pete. You had to in with your 553 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 4: a game because they were not taking silly questions. And 554 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 4: as a beat writer or whatever, you you got to 555 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 4: read the room. Some of these guys. You know, not 556 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: to not to talk about certain TV people, but certain 557 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 4: TV people might come in and ask kind of goofy questions, 558 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 4: but they get away with it. They just want that SoundBite. 559 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 4: As beat writers, you can't do that. You got to 560 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: you gotta be serious, and you gotta come with your 561 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 4: A game. And if you didn't have your A game 562 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 4: with Kent, you know, you would walk away with your 563 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 4: tail between your legs. And it's a whoops. I learned 564 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 4: a bad lesson. They're same with Buster, same with Barry. 565 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 4: So there's a common denominator there. You know, all those guys, 566 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 4: all those guys the Buster talks about it now. They 567 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 4: didn't want to be anybody's friends on another team. Kent 568 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: didn't want friends, Bons didn't want friends, Bonds didn't want 569 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 4: friends in his own clubhouse. Same with Kent. I remember 570 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 4: one time, Susan, we were back in the nineties, early 571 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 4: two thousands. Kent was on the team, and we knew 572 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: Kent was over here and Barry was over there on 573 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 4: all all kinds of issues, and they didn't want their 574 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 4: lockers next to each other. But man, were they good 575 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 4: on the field. So in this restaurant there is a 576 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 4: group of Giants players, you know, JT or really over here, 577 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 4: and then over here is like four or five of 578 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 4: us beat writers. And then I see from the distance, 579 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 4: I see here comes Jeff Kent. This is going to 580 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 4: be fun, what's he going to do? So Kent walks 581 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 4: in the room, you know, checks it out, and does 582 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 4: a beeline right in between us, goes in the back 583 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 4: of the restaurant and eats alone. You know, he didn't. 584 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 4: He didn't want to be with anybody. I mean, that's 585 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 4: just him. He even said as Prescott, I'm not a 586 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 4: social guy. I didn't want to be your friend. You 587 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 4: know I didn't. I didn't laugh, I didn't smile, and 588 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 4: I got pissed off if I went three for four. 589 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 4: You know, I want to go four for four. I 590 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 4: got pissed off if I made an errand. And I'm 591 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 4: still shocked he got in because of Maddie Lee and 592 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 4: Dale Murphy and all these legends. It was a stack ballot, 593 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 4: and I would have I would have been I would 594 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 4: have not been surprised if nobody got in, because they 595 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 4: could have canceled each other out with five or six 596 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 4: votes the peach and you only get three of the 597 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 4: sixteen voting board. So yeah, I'm glad he's in. But 598 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 4: nobody would have ever guessed that he would have gotten 599 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 4: in before Barry Right. 600 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 5: Nobody would have guessed that. 601 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: Nobody would have guessed that he has a little bit 602 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 3: of a more of an emotional soul. I think that 603 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 3: we gave him credit for too, But yeah, very the 604 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 3: Verry topic is one for probably another time, and well 605 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 3: I guess it'll be six years from now the next 606 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: time he's eligible, which those new rules have not been 607 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: kind to him. 608 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: We all get soft when we get older. I cry 609 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: and everything now, so. 610 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: That that makes sense, John, this is for you and Susan, 611 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: and then we'll probably wrap it up after this. Having 612 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: your a game that just like piqued my interest? Did 613 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: that make you guys better beat writers? Because you had 614 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: to have your a game against certain when you're asking 615 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 2: certain questions to certain players. 616 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 4: Susan, did you have those? Did you have those? 617 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 618 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, honestly, it was mostly those guys that 619 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: you mentioned more when I was a backup Kenton, certainly Bonds, 620 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: but there were a few others, and again it was 621 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 3: usually mostly the Giants. I don't know if it's maybe 622 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: because more high profile team in the Bay Area, but 623 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 3: Bump Bum Garner. 624 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 5: Was very much like that too. 625 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 3: I'm mean I had, you know, John, I had such 626 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 3: genial as teams usually you know FP, I mean really 627 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 3: friendly and I do I am a writer who likes 628 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: to chit chat with players, and I think that's valuable. 629 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: I want to know who guys are. I want to 630 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: be able to you know, I want to know a 631 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: little bit about your family and a little bit about 632 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 3: your background and just kind of what makes you tick. 633 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I'm a chit chatter by nature anyway, 634 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: So it's tougher for for somebody. 635 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 5: Like me, with guys who are really tough to crack. 636 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 3: And only want you know, to you to come up 637 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 3: and ask them sparingly, very good, top notch baseball questions 638 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 3: and nothing else. I feel like you don't get quite 639 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: as much inside and some of those guys, I feel 640 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 3: like we don't. Maybe Buster aside, and Buster could be tough, 641 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 3: but but he was always so accommodating, even though he 642 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: was he was no nonsense, but he was nothing on 643 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 3: the level of like Bonds and Kent and maybe even 644 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 3: Pau mcgarner. 645 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 4: And you had so many young teams in Oakland and 646 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 4: other than the Ron Gants and Mike Piazza's and David 647 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 4: Justices and and fellas like that, who Billy being brought 648 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 4: in every other year. But it's it's probably that they 649 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 4: looked up to you to figure out how how was 650 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 4: it like Marcus Simeon, for example, when we voted Marcus 651 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 4: Simeon the Bill Rigney Good Guy Award, And not everybody knows, 652 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 4: but the Beat writers get together every year on the 653 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 4: A side and Giant side and said, okay, let's it's 654 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 4: not a big thing, but it is for us. Okay, 655 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 4: who's our good Guy of the Year Award? And and 656 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 4: you know it's usually someone who's accommodating someone, someone who's 657 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 4: there accountable and you know, good quote you that's what 658 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 4: we're looking for, right, you know, someone we could go 659 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 4: to go to guy. And one year it was Marcus 660 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 4: Simeon in Oakland and and I went up to him afterwards, 661 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 4: I said, you know why I voted for you? He 662 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 4: said why? He said, you know, every time I walk 663 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 4: up to talk to you, you stand up. It's like, 664 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 4: you know, I don't I don't demand anything, but I 665 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 4: acknowledge everything. And I just thought that was that was 666 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 4: really cool. And he said he talked about how his 667 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 4: dad always told him anybody shows up at the room, 668 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 4: you stand up, you shake your hand, and I just 669 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 4: thought it was the coolest thing. Then he said, now, 670 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: who is Bill Rigney. 671 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 5: I said, oh, yeah, yeah. 672 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 4: These guys are explained to him how he's a great 673 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 4: executive with the A's and a great manager and Willie's 674 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 4: teammate in New York on the Giant side. So it's 675 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 4: it's cool. I mean some of these, some of these guys, 676 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 4: it's really cool. Like who was it? The Giant set 677 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 4: recently had a guy who won the award and then 678 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 4: went back to the clubhouse and bragged about how he's 679 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 4: the best guy in the team because he's the good 680 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 4: the one good guy in the team. 681 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 3: Because he has pretty logan is delighted to win that 682 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 3: two years ago as anybody has ever been. But yeah, 683 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 3: he did have some running battles with guys over who 684 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 3: was the best guy from that. 685 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 2: You guys should have the biggest a Hole award too, 686 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 2: that'd be awesome. And then just let the fans know 687 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: that this guy's a jerky and make it public. John, 688 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us today. Catch John, Jay 689 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: s f Standard. I hope you guys have a merry Christmas. Susan, 690 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us today. It's been John. The stories 691 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 2: were amazing. I mean, this is one of my favorite 692 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 2: ones we've done so far. 693 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 1: You nailed it. You knocked it out of the park. 694 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: We knew you would. So thanks for joining us today. 695 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: I hope you have a very merry Christmas. 696 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, Susan, you know I love FP. When I 697 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 4: don't know how many years ago, but I'm sitting in 698 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 4: the chronicle chair and FP is to my right, where 699 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 4: like Ron Wotis often wills it, and I look over 700 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 4: and like almost every day he's calling play by play 701 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 4: into a tape recorder, you know, like he's a twelve 702 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 4: year old kid, meaning this guy is serious about his 703 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 4: He's at a certain age and still doing this. He's 704 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 4: not up in the bleachers where nobody could hear him. 705 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 4: I mean he was I was. I told you big 706 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 4: at the time. Is that that's really impressive? I love it? 707 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 4: Do you remember that? 708 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 709 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: Thanks John, that worked out real well. I did play 710 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 2: by play for a year and now I'm doing color. 711 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 2: That's saying, that's the hardest thing I've ever done in broadcasting, 712 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 2: is trying to do radio play by play. Yeah that 713 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,720 Speaker 2: my vocabulary is not broad enough. There's so much involved 714 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 2: into it. I bit off a little bit more than 715 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: I could. You I would probably try to try to 716 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 2: readdress it again sometime in the future because I'm a 717 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 2: little more relaxed now. I was just move back to 718 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: San Francisco. Man that I have so much respect for 719 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: Dwayne and John and Dave and Joe, Ritzo and everybody 720 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 2: that does play by play on the radio. 721 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 4: It is. 722 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: It is a lot harder than it looks. 723 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 2: And we are blessed as Giants fans to have the 724 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 2: broadcasters we have. 725 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 4: And even though Dwayne doesn't win that award or Mike 726 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 4: doesn't win that award and Joe Buck wins that award, 727 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 4: Giant fans are pulling their hair out. You know, this 728 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 4: guy's a football announcer. He's Joe Buck. He's twenty years 729 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,439 Speaker 4: younger than Dwayne. He's his Dad's in there. There's plenty 730 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 4: of time for him to be put in there. I'm thinking, 731 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 4: there's a perfect year for Dwayne and the The problem 732 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 4: is Dwayne's not going to be eligible next year, and 733 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 4: either is Mike because the Hall of Fame every fifth 734 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 4: year considers people before the wildcard era, So next year 735 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 4: is that year. So Mike and Dwyane and all these 736 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 4: other people on the ballot this year are wild cart 737 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 4: era broadcasters. So every fifth year they look back way 738 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 4: way way long ago to honor somebody from the fifties 739 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 4: or forties or whatever. So Dwayne won't be up for 740 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 4: a couple more years, and Barry won't be up till 741 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 4: twenty thirty one. But the class of twenty seven is 742 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 4: going to look big with if everybody gets in, Dusty 743 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 4: and Bochie and Buster, they're all on the ballot to 744 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 4: all the stars are aligning for a big, big party 745 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 4: in Cooperstown in July of twenty seven. 746 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 2: Well, I'm very biased about Dwayne. I wouldn't be a 747 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 2: big league broadcaster if it. 748 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: Wasn't for him. 749 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 2: But no other broadcaster on that ballot, and they were 750 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 2: all amazing, And I'm a big Joe Buck fan. No 751 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: other broadcaster on that ballot lost his spouse, battled cancer 752 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 2: and still brought his a game on a nightly basis 753 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 2: and realizes how important it is to be the voice 754 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: of the San Francisco Giants and what it means and 755 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 2: how lucky he is to be a major league broadcaster. 756 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 1: So I felt like the ball was dropped on that. 757 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: But like I said, I'm biased. All right, guys, we're 758 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: wrapping it up. 759 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, Susan, Merry Christmas, John, Happy Holidays to everybody 760 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 2: out there. Don't forget to like and subscribe. This is 761 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 2: a really good podcast. We have a great time, and 762 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas. 763 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: To all, and to all a good night. 764 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 2: Like I say on the way out, every single time, 765 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 2: swing hard in case you hit it. 766 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: President St.