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Speaker 1: I remember when people were first dog in Taylor Swift. Well,

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Speaker 2: Wow. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bobby Cast. I am

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Speaker 2: joined by the legendary Amy Grant, six time Grammy winner,

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Speaker 2: one of the most influential voices in Christian music and

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Speaker 2: pop music. You probably know Baby Baby. After more than

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Speaker 2: a decade away from releasing original music, she is back.

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Speaker 2: She's a deeply personal new album called The Me That Remains,

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Speaker 2: which we're going to talk about here. And we do

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Speaker 2: talk about new music. We do talk about life in Nashville, motherhood,

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Speaker 2: we do talk about what keeps her going nearly fifty

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Speaker 2: years into her incredible career, and we do talk about

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Speaker 2: her injury, her bicycle accident that turned it into brain injury.

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Speaker 2: So I'm a big fan of this person, also of

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Speaker 2: the artist. Here's my conversation with Amy Grant. Amy, good

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Speaker 2: to see you. How you been I've been good. I've

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Speaker 2: been good. Yeah, yeah, what does that mean that you've

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Speaker 2: been good? Like? What is good? For you.

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Speaker 1: Good for me means to me is settled on the inside.

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Speaker 1: You know, everything kind of comes from there. I guess

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Speaker 1: some sometimes in life feel really frantic, and this doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm busy, but I don't feel frantic.

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Speaker 2: I think I live frantic.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. I mean, I'm you know, I'm on a

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't take it. I don't think it's an

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Speaker 2: so I'm pretty pumped about that. Okay, good, Yeah, yeah. Hey,

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Speaker 2: as I get older, I start to get a little

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Speaker 2: more nervous each time. Right, I've had issues. I had

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Speaker 2: And so I didn't know what was happening.

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Speaker 2: you know you've had brain stuff too. I'm only telling

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was that was your stroke in the back

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Speaker 2: Speaking of fame, did you have an era where you

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about it. It just came, you know.

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Speaker 2: But if your A record came out my first record.

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Speaker 1: But of course I told no one because if it

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Speaker 1: And you know, when it was time for everybody to

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Speaker 1: I sang at school?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Do they know you were like singing though, like

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Speaker 1: I wasn't trying. I was, but I wasn't good. I

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Speaker 1: I was not the best singer.

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Speaker 2: You were just average.

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Speaker 1: I just loved it. I loved I just loved being

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Speaker 2: Where did you live.

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Speaker 1: I lived in West Nashville in a really nice neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Well you grew up here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, youngest four girls went to Harpeth Hall.

435
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Speaker 2: I didn't know you were local local.

436
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

437
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: Here's the unicorn here, one of the few unicorns.

438
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

439
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Okay, So that's why you thought you were average.

440
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: It makes sense now. If you had grown up in

441
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: Spring Film Aseruri, you wouldn't have thought you were average.

442
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: You grew up in Atlanta Giants because everybody in Nashville,

443
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: everybody is amazing. You don't come here unless you're really good.

444
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: And that's why you thought. I was shocked when you

445
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: said you were average. I was like, there's no way.

446
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. But like, here's interesting because Nashville was a lot

447
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: smaller than so and I went to public and private school.

448
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: You know, I was in grade school when bussing happened

449
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and so so I my parents took me

450
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: out of public school and put me in private school

451
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: because my bus would have left while it was dark

452
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: and I would have gotten home after dark. And I

453
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: was entering the sixth grade, and they were like this

454
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: for the birds, so they put me in a school

455
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: a couple of blocks from our house, which went through

456
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Speaker 1: eighth grade. And at the end of eighth grade, one

457
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: of my classmates had a connection with the grand Ole

458
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: Opry Martha Whiteflower was their family business, and so Minnie

459
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: Pearl Sarah Cannon came and spoke at our eighth grade

460
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: commencement and that was the first time I met her.

461
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: But then I start singing and she's like writing me notes,

462
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: I saw you in such and such. Keep smiling, keep trying,

463
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: you know. And so my dad was a radiation oncologist

464
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: and he treated Johnny Cash's father, and so it would

465
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 1: I can't remember mister Cash's full name, but you know,

466
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: so Johnny John depending on whose turn it was to

467
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: bring their dad for his treatments. So the first time

468
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: I met Johnny Cash, he was like, yeah, I see

469
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: your father. Like I was Burton Grant's daughter forever, and

470
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: because he helped start Tennessee oncology way back when before

471
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: it was called that. But it was like I was

472
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: just the little sister of three girls. You know, did

473
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: they do music at all? No, they could all sing,

474
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: but they were you know, did they just each occupied

475
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: their own land. One was kind of a partier. One

476
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: was real smart, one was a cheerleader, and I was

477
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: just the dorky youngest sister.

478
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: Why did you continue to sing if you only thought

479
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: you were okay? It was simply you loved it so much.

480
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved writing. I loved.

481
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

482
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean, music was has always been. Music has never

483
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: let me down. When I was a kid, I would

484
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: just play my LPs over and over and over. And

485
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: I don't know where my childhood record collection is. I'm

486
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: sure it's somewhere, but I but I'm just talking about

487
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: different records that I listened to. I got to ride

488
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: over here with Brian Ward and he was like, I said,

489
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: you've got Honky Chateau. You've gotten He brought all these

490
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: records Tapestry that were the you know, the records I

491
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: grew up with. Jethro Toll. Thik is a brick. It's

492
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: just my sister's room was right next door. I went

493
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: got it. I'm looking at everything. Emerson, Lincoln Palmer, Beatles,

494
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: Elvis and I, Todd, Rundgrend, I loved it, Rod Stewart

495
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: Jackson five.

496
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: That's a lot of secular music.

497
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: We didn't have a choir in our church. I didn't

498
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: grow up on gospel music.

499
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you still got into Christian music though.

500
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: First right, I did because when I was a sophomore

501
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: in high school, my two oldest sisters had come back

502
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: living in the Boston area in the early seventies. One

503
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: went to a school called Pine Manor and one went

504
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: to Wellesley, and they both transferred back to Vanderbilt. But

505
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 1: kind of that area of Cambridge was really kind of

506
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: swept with the Jesus hippie movement. I'm sure equal parts

507
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: Jesus music, equal parts pot you know, it was just

508
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: kind of Cambridge in the early seventies. And when they

509
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: came back to Nashville, they found a church on Music

510
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: Row that didn't have a lot of typical church culture,

511
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: like everybody showed in blue jeans. They had a coffee shop,

512
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: record store next door that had free concerts every Saturday night,

513
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of an artisan area with woodworking

514
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: and stained glass, and I mean it was beautiful. It

515
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: was a corner of sixteenth and Grand before everything was renamed.

516
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: And I loved being a part of that culture. And

517
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: so it was my sophomore year at Harpeth Hall, and

518
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: I was sitting in a mandatory chapel program. I mean

519
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: it's not a Christian school, but just culturally and southern.

520
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: You know, there would be a minister or a rabbi

521
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: that was invited to come speak once a week for

522
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. And so my weekend experience was this free

523
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: flowers in our hair, people sitting in the windowsills in

524
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: the church. I mean, it was so vibrant. And I

525
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: remember walking out of chapel one day going whood, you

526
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: could use some pr down here, because nobody cares about

527
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: these chapel programs. And I just walked over to Idanelle

528
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: McMurray was the headmistress, even that name, I'm sure it's

529
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: different now, head of school now. And I walked over

530
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: and said, our students allowed to do chapel programs, and

531
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: she said no one's ever asked what are you going

532
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: to do? And I said, I don't know, maybe music.

533
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: And I signed up for a program and I thought, well,

534
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: I better start writing some songs, and so I look up.

535
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: Why I started music ever, was to start a conversation,

536
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: and I don't feel like I've ever really veered from that.

537
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: But then I was like, so I'm I after I had,

538
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, ten songs. Maybe. A friend of mine from

539
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: church said he worked with the youth group, which which

540
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: I was part of. I had a big crush on him,

541
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: but he said, my job is at a recording studio

542
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: and the class I'm taking at Belmont, I have access

543
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: to studio time, but I don't need it. Any chance

544
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: you want to go record your songs? I was fifteen,

545
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 1: and I said, like in a real studio. Yeah, And

546
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: I went, just myself and a man named Bill Loki,

547
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: who was also a kid. He's passed away now, but

548
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: he was real involved with on site in a leadership position.

549
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: He played piano, and he went and helped me record

550
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: my stuff. And then my friend Brown was making copies

551
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: of my little tape in the recording studio where he worked,

552
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: and an old callge roommate whose studio was walked in

553
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: and said, there's a record company in Texas that wants

554
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: to launch a new record label with twelve artists like contemporary,

555
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: and they're just they're beating the bushes trying to find artists,

556
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: and he went, who's that?

557
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: All that fell in like that?

558
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: Just like this? They played my tape over the phone

559
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: and the guy from Word Records. His name was Buddy Huey.

560
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: He's not alive anymore. And he said, well, she's not

561
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: very good, but she sounds sincere. And he said, yeah,

562
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: she is. That's how I got my record deal. So

563
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: Brown called me at home. By then, it's fall of

564
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: my junior year. I'm still fifteen, and he said, hey,

565
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: Word Records wants to offer you a record deal. I'm fifteen.

566
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: I think he's making fun of me because I'm insecure,

567
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: and my dad picks up the phone and said it's

568
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: after phone hours. I was grounded. I was grounded, and

569
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: I was offered a record deal in the same conversation.

570
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: That's so weird.

571
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: What does your dad say about you getting a record deal?

572
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I mentioned it that night, but I.

573
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: Mean, eventually, that's something he wants his fifteen or sixe

574
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: year oldaughter to do.

575
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, my parents, they knew it was a hobby

576
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: that I loved. I mean, I love loved music. I mean,

577
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, when I was six years old, I was

578
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: such a Sonny and Shaer fan, and my parents bought tickets.

579
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: We went down to Municipal Auditorium. David Brenner was the

580
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: comedian who opened my sister Carol Wentz, She's year and

581
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: a half older than I am. I'm sure they were

582
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: bored out of their minds. I was on the edge

583
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: of my seat. The next year, my cousin, who was

584
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: a career school teacher, never married. Bette Midler was in town.

585
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: Barry Manilow was her piano players before Mandy came out,

586
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, please take me to see Bette Midler.

587
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: It was the first time I had ever been in

588
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: a community of so many gay men. I didn't I

589
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: was just what was I twelve thirteen? All I know

590
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: is I wanted that I wanted to be in the

591
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: room with that. It was just the creativity and all

592
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: these people who were just so expressive and yeah, and

593
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: I remember she introduced Barry Manlin. She said he's got

594
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: a song that's coming out, and he sang the song

595
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Mandy for the first time. It was not on the

596
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: radio yet, and I was thinking, the world is tilting

597
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: on its axis. So for me, what I knew was

598
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be a part of that community.

599
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: And it didn't matter if I were taking out the

600
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: trash in a studio. I just that's what I wanted.

601
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: I didn't picture myself on stage, but I got a

602
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: very brief internship as part of a school program at

603
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: a recording studio way back. You know. It was twenty

604
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: four tracks, and I would pick the chewing gum off

605
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: people's mic stands, and I'd empty the trash and demagnetize

606
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: the tape heads for the machines and nothing fancy.

607
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: Do you think if it would have been more rigid

608
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: or traditional as far as what your sisters had been

609
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 2: a part of and came down and they took you,

610
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: maybe you wouldn't have been as involved or loved it

611
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 2: as much, and possibly you wouldn't be here. But because

612
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: it was that version, it was more about message more

613
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: than presentation.

614
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't know how

615
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: to answer that because all I know is what I've known.

616
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: But I do think because I did not come from

617
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: from a family that was like I don't know how

618
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: to say, except forward facing, there was no presentation in

619
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: my family like stage persona I was. And our family was,

620
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, functional and dysfunctional like every family.

621
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 4: But I.

622
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: Didn't feel like I had to put on a personality

623
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: of any kind of walk on stage. And first tick

624
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: show I ever did. It was fall of my freshman

625
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: year in college and I was hired by somebody to

626
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: come to a show at the Will Rogers Auditorium in

627
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: Fort Worth, Texas. And it was ticketed, and I was going, like,

628
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: who would buy a ticket? I had one record out

629
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: and I walked out and I played all the songs

630
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: I knew and I looked at my watch and it

631
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: was like an hour and ten minutes, and I said,

632
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: that's all I know, and somebody in the balcony said,

633
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: sing him over again, and I went okay, and I did,

634
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: and I just started at the top.

635
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: And there's also some irony to you signing a record

636
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: deal with a label in Texas when you grew up

637
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: in Nashville and it's all right here, but you signed

638
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: with a record label in Texas.

639
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: Because they needed something to fill their agenda, their mission.

640
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: I'm telling you there's not a talent scout that would

641
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: have heard me singing at arpeital and stopped.

642
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: Did you get better?

643
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: Yes, how I worked hard. You can't you know singing

644
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: it's a muscle. My songwriting got better, my performance got better,

645
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: and I I was a junior in college the first

646
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: time I played with an actual band, and then I

647
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: toured with the band out of Memphis, and I just

648
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: worked hard to keep up, you know, and I had to.

649
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved that community. And there's not anything

650
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: I remember when people were first dog in Taylor Swift,

651
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: Well she's pitchy, she says she's at and what I

652
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: knew because I had been on that same thing, I

653
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: was like, just wait, wait till she's wait till she

654
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: hits thirty five, she will be at the top of.

655
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: Her game, because you felt that was you.

656
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: I just remember when I was a kid and I

657
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: had acne, what might and awkward and all that stuff.

658
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: My mother would say, hey, take a deep breath. A

659
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: woman's most beautiful years are thirty five to forty five

660
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: because you've got wisdom, you experience, you've been long enough

661
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: in what you love that you're good at it. So

662
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: I kind of took the heat off myself. I'm like, hey,

663
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: work hard, learn as you go. But every opportunity, Like

664
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: I remember Michael Lomarty and who I had met several times,

665
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: but he was producing Peter Satira's first album when he

666
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: was doing his solo stuff after the big Chicago run,

667
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: and I was in Atlanta, visiting my college roommates. So

668
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: it was this nineteen the summer of spring of eighty

669
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: six maybe, and he said, hey, I want you to

670
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: Will you sing this duet with Peter Satira. Well, I

671
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: used to watch the Chicago specials on TV, and I said, like,

672
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: did all female singers die? Why are you calling me?

673
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: And he said, I don't remember what he said. But

674
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: Peter didn't know me. Michael knew me. And the next

675
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: thing I know, I've flown to LA I'm singing on

676
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: Mike and with Peter. I'm asking him about, oh my gosh,

677
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: what about this tour? What about that tour? And yeah,

678
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: but like every good thing that has happened to me,

679
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: it's a door I fell in sideways.

680
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: It's also a door that you had to be near

681
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: enough to fall in sideways. Yeah.

682
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean I've always been a hard worker, and I work,

683
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: and you work hard doing things you love. I think

684
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: I never ever imagined and imagined an end goal ever,

685
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: because things kept happening that were well I didn't, you know,

686
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: So I was just like, why plan, Just work hard

687
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: and let it take you where it'll take you.

688
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: So we started me asking about fame. When did that happen.

689
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: How old were you whenever like baby Baby or any

690
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: of those Like how old were you? Then?

691
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see I was born Thanksgiving weekend of

692
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty and so Baby Baby that happened in ninety one,

693
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: so I was thirty.

694
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: So you had been doing it a while.

695
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: I had been a hard worker for a long time.

696
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: I remember going into Dunkin, not Dunkin Donuts, the donut

697
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: den right next to Hillsborough High School, and I guess

698
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: Baby Baby was on the radio. I'm still shopping at

699
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: the same place, going to get my groceries, going into

700
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: for an apple fritter, my very favorite, and some girls

701
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: were coming out when I was going in, maybe three up,

702
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: and they just screamed right in my face, and I

703
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: guess maybe I had a video on MTV. And I

704
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: remember just thinking I hi, and I went in and

705
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: ordered my Apple Fredder, thinking well, that was weird. But

706
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: because I grew up in Nashville and just generations of friends,

707
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's like everything was buffered by community.

708
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

709
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.

710
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: Do you feel like, though, because that was such a

711
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: massive pop song, you were treated a bit different because

712
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: you were a pop artist and here a country music artist.

713
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: They're the grocery store all the time. I see them

714
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, I'm friends with them. I see

715
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: him walking at Target. But that was like pop that

716
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: was larger than what was at the time very much

717
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: a niche. Country music is always just now has it

718
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: not really been a niche?

719
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? But I was. I had toured so much.

720
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: I think the tour before that in the late eighties,

721
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: eighty eight eighty nine, I mean we were setting attendance record,

722
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: like at Pacific Amphitheater and so, and I wasn't on

723
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: I was on Christian radio, but I you know, it wasn't.

724
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: That was a tour I did with Michael W. Smith

725
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: and the woman who's now my manager, Jennifer Cook, had

726
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: been to see Rod Stewart the night before at Pacific

727
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: Amphitheater and her little sister fifteen years younger, was a

728
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: fan of my music and she's so, please take me

729
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: to the show. And jen was like, ugh, I gotta

730
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: go to a show. It's not going to be nearly

731
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: as good as Rod Stewart. Okay, I'll take you. Allison

732
00:41:52,480 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: got me flowers, her little sister and anyway, she said,

733
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: I went dreading it. I didn't want to go to

734
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: a Christian music show. And I just think that to me,

735
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: that response is just nobody really wants to be told

736
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: what to do, ever, and they're kind of that description

737
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: of music comes with oh, there's a framework of who

738
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: you need to be and how you need to live

739
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: that is projected onto a person just by virtue of

740
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: the genre. To me, that's my and so I thought,

741
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: well that, yeah, I get that. But then they came

742
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: back afterwards and Jen was so she said the music,

743
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: the presentation, all of it was so compelling. She was

744
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: a music lover, and she said, I I made a

745
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: trip to Nashville to just figure out what what this was.

746
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: And then all these years later, you know, do.

747
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: They consult with you whenever they go, hey, we're gonna

748
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 2: put this in a non Christian space.

749
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: No.

750
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: John Hughey has been my booking agent for forty two years,

751
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: cia I know him.

752
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah, But they don't say we're gonna

753
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: do this song and it's not just gonna playing a

754
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: Christian We're gonna go push it a pop or does

755
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: that just happen without you knowing about it.

756
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, my job is to make the music,

757
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: and so like the you know, when I making that music,

758
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: Keith Thomas had the brilliant music. I came up with

759
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: a lyric for Baby Baby. I think in my mind

760
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: the music is the magic, and I do think a

761
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: lyric is important. But when we delivered that song, I

762
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: think both record companies, because by then Word Records I

763
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: was part of them early on, they they saw that

764
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: the draw to my concert. They just said, I don't

765
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: think this music is served sufficiently just in Christian bookstores,

766
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: which is how you bought music. Then this is like

767
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: talking about the Dark Ages, because it's all streaming now.

768
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: But without my knowledge or consent. Maybe they talked to

769
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: Dan Harrell, Mike Blanton, my managers, but they said, we're

770
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: going to pursue talking to a record company for distribution,

771
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: somebody that's not in the Christian music veins. So they

772
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: went to A and M. I think they talked to Geffen.

773
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: I know they consulted with some different people, but they

774
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: just felt that the people at A and M believed

775
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: in me as an artist. And so that was a

776
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: few records, whereas just distribution, and then by nineteen eighty

777
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: seven and I actually signed two record contracts for the

778
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: same project with Word Records and A and M Records,

779
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: and did all the mixing at A and M.

780
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: And was it a crazy time or did it just

781
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: feel like the other times, like when that song was hitting,

782
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: did it feel bigger?

783
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: It didn't change my workload? You know, I was working,

784
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: and by the time baby Baby came out, it was

785
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: you know, the lyric was inspire inspired by Millie who

786
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: was six weeks old. And then we went into the video.

787
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: And I'm sure all my kids have needed therapy, and

788
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: most of them are in it just because they had

789
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: a mother who was working so hard and so I

790
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: dragged them everywhere. But you know, I see how my

791
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: kids are parenting and going. They don't really know how

792
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: to self regulate until they're whatever age. And I think,

793
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: good gosh, you were in a different place every night.

794
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: You lived on a bus. I would walk off the

795
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: stage and our nanny would hand me a child with

796
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: a poopy diaper and say your turn. Yeah, but it's

797
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: just like we were all drinking out of a fire hose,

798
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: and you know, they're alive. But was I a good mother?

799
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: Probably not. I loved them but I don't, you know.

800
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: Even when they launched, I was like, I've never paid

801
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: my own taxes. I had a business manager since I

802
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: was a teenager. I am no help to you, and

803
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: life will be a steep learning curve. Good luck. I mean,

804
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: that's awful. But they all have the capacity to build

805
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: a life, and they're doing it.

806
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 2: I was looking through your songs on the new record

807
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: and listening to it, and as I was flipping through

808
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: and listening, I saw I think it's the last track

809
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: on the album. I'm just going for a memory here

810
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 2: or so I'm wrong. Please tell me. I believe both

811
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: your daughters saying on it. I did not know that

812
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: you named one of your daughters after Minnie Pearl. I

813
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: did because, yes, living in Nashville obviously, and knowing the

814
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: impact Sarah Cannon had and has on people going through

815
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: cancer now and to know that was Mini Pearl, and

816
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: I saw Sarah Cannon and so then I thought I

817
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: needed to look this up. So you named a daughter

818
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 2: after Minni Pearl?

819
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: I did, and she was obviously that was her first

820
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: and middle name. But she was married and then went

821
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: through divorce, and she said, I'm not the same person

822
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: I was I want to take my maiden name back.

823
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't, and she said I would. I want to.

824
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: I want the full weight of the name of the

825
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: woman I was named for. Nothing could have made me happier.

826
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: I was pregnant with Sarah and went to see Many

827
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm having a girl. May I name

828
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: her for you?

829
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 2: You asked her.

830
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: Yes, and she'd already had a stroke by then heard

831
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: this was I mean, Sarah was born in ninety two

832
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: fall of ninety two. And Many did not pass for

833
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: a little while. But she said, oh, Amy, a name

834
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: is so important. A name is so important. And she said,

835
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: teacher poetry. I mean, we talked a lot. We had

836
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: a conversation that I wrote a paper on one time

837
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: and she and she said, it's important to be able

838
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: to remember and say poetry, and teach her this, and

839
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: teach her that, and tell her the Do you know

840
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: the most important color of the color palette? And I'm

841
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: like no, And I started guessing colors. My sister is

842
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: good with color. And I said, why are you telling

843
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: me this? And she said it's important. She said, black,

844
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: black is the most important color. Tell her that and

845
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: I said okay, And she said, because everything looks two dimensional,

846
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: but when you add black, you create depth with everything,

847
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: and that's what life is. She is bedridden at this

848
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: point giving me this advice. I'm like, yes, ma'am, I'll

849
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: tell her.

850
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: What was she like before she got sick.

851
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: Well, we were doing a benefit one time. It was

852
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,479
Speaker 1: called April Evening and it was out of the farm.

853
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: When I was married to Gary Chapman. We had a

854
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: beautiful kind of gentleman's farm on Moran Road, and we

855
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: had a big event with the Fairfield Four, which, by

856
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: the way, there were five of them, but who cares

857
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: Minnie Pearl Ashley Cleveland, and we had a big dinner

858
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: and she and I were trying to change clothes when

859
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: we were in the powder room right off the front

860
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: door of Gary's in my house, and you know, it's

861
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: just it's a tight little quarters and we're like fully

862
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: changing clothes. So I'm trying to give her her space.

863
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm face toward the corner of the wall. I'm changing

864
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: my clothes, and all of a sudden, she said, Amy,

865
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: turn around. I turn around, and she got her pan,

866
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: but she's bear breasted, She's got nothing on from the

867
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: waist up. I said, yes, ma'am, and she said, I'm

868
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: old everywhere else, but I'm eighteen from here to here.

869
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: And I said, yes you are, and uh, yeah, that

870
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: was so much fun. When was that that would have been?

871
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: Uh I don't remember when that was, but and like

872
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: for that event as a as a fundraiser, I reached

873
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: out to so many songwriters saying and I sent or

874
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: Jennifer Cook did it because at the time she's my

875
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: manager now, but she was executive assistant for my managers.

876
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: And I said, I would pay for a song lyric

877
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: if we're trying to raise money for this might have

878
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: been prevent prevent byness Tennessee prevent prevent blindness. But I

879
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: just try to think what would I pay money for.

880
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't want somebody's autograph tennis shoe. What I want

881
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: is something I can hang on my wall. And so

882
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: I just thought of every songwriter who I loved, admired, respected,

883
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: and we sent good quality paper, comfortable pins in the hand,

884
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: and said, would you write out at least a chorus,

885
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: preferably the whole lyric of one of your songs. And

886
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: then we had returned, you know, fedexx envelopes back and

887
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: it was like Christmas. Wow, everything went to the office.

888
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: But like.

889
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: Art Garfunkle sent in scarboroughfair Sting sent in fields of Gold,

890
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean everybody, James Taylor sent in something. Everybody we

891
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: mailed something to sent back a lyric and so we

892
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: did five of those as a live auction, but I

893
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: bet we had thirty and that was just like a

894
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: silent auction. It was so much fun, and that was

895
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: the event that many and I did. Nashville is such

896
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: a great talent to be in because it's so philanthropic

897
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: and everybody gets involved and it just removes the barriers.

898
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: I feel like you're somebody that cares. How do you

899
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: keep from being angry at the world right now? Because

900
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: I struggle with that, not even the world, I'd say, yeah,

901
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: our country now, especially like I have to get off

902
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: the internet. How do you do it?

903
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: I don't spend a lot of time on the internet.

904
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: I try not to get my news from I try

905
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: to listen to NPR. I try to get my news

906
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: from a news source that shows both sides.

907
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: Is there even one of those though?

908
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't Probably not.

909
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've given up on that, yeah being real.

910
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: But mostly what I try to I just remind myself

911
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: how powerful my choices are and in affecting the world

912
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: right around me. And if we all used our choice

913
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: in how we treat people, the world would be a

914
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: better place if we listen to the better angels of

915
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: our nature. You know, I got a phone call yesterday

916
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: from a woman and she said, I have a friend

917
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: that I care for who does not have their papers.

918
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: And they have tried, they have tried, they have tried,

919
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: so many things have gone wrong, seventy five thousand into

920
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: the process. And she goes, nobody's got this kind of money.

921
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: Will you help me? Will you help them? And I said,

922
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: what I would like to do is create community around that,

923
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: and so will you ask several people then, But all

924
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: night long, I said, I thought I have not had

925
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: an immigrant friend who became a loved one that every

926
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: day is nervous every day, And I thought, I need

927
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: this in my life. I could have been born there,

928
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: I could have my life could have been differently, could

929
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: have been lived, could have it could have been otherwise?

930
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, the we all have

931
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: opportunities to see the people around us, and it's just

932
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, are we willing to see?

933
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

934
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

935
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: What I struggle with is fortunate or not. I had

936
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 2: no choice. I was born here.

937
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: And a white male.

938
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: Yes, there you get at the time. I was born

939
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 2: a white man at a time. I was born in

940
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: the eighties in a country where a white man and

941
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: born at this time. You just allowed stuff, right, you

942
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: just allowed stuff you are And like I didn't chew.

943
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: I didn't get to make a choice before I came

944
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: in and said I want to be born in I

945
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: was just here. And so when people say, you know,

946
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 2: we're Christians, but we don't really think we should love

947
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: that neighbor, that is really bothersome to me because I

948
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: feel like it is again, if we're going to go

949
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: with rule number one, love thy freaking neighbor, there's a

950
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: lot of people not loving thy neighbor, that are acclaiming

951
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: their neighbor lovers. And I think that is what is

952
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: so bothersome to me about that.

953
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: And it's hard to not use a lot of your

954
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: resources being angry with that person. You know, I'm saying,

955
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: like your amount, we all have limited resources. I don't

956
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: agree with that legislation but I'm What I'm not going

957
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: to do is use the energy that I have trying

958
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: to change that person's mind. What I want to do

959
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,479
Speaker 1: is when I'll cast my ballot, I'll vote when I vote.

960
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: But if I have energy I want to be, I'll go, well,

961
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: who can I reach out to? Who can I help?

962
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: Who can I talk to? Because and that's I mean

963
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: years ago, I remember I was with a friend, We're

964
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: working on a Christmas song, and the TV was on

965
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: in the other room, and all of a sudden, it

966
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: was just like I could not take my eyes off

967
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: of what was on the TV. The sound was not

968
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: even on, And I just said, what if I were

969
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: that mother staring from my TV? What if that were

970
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: my brown eye baby, hungry as she could be? What

971
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: if that were my family and we wrote that song instead?

972
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: What if that was my world? Like that's just how

973
00:56:54,080 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: my brain works. If I'm in the twenty five percent processing,

974
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, doesn't matter what the

975
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: brain tests say. How I'm wired is to go. It

976
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 1: could have been otherwise. I could have been that woman,

977
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: she could have been me. And the next course of

978
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: what if I were that mother and I was waiting

979
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: on me, the big success, so well dressed on the

980
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: other side of the street, living with my distractions because

981
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: life's been good to me. Maybe she's praying, praying for

982
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: a miracle. Maybe he answers me, Lord have mercy on me.

983
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: You know, I was. That's kind of how my brain

984
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: has always worked. It is the most important work of

985
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: our lives is not what people know about. It's like

986
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: the person next to you in the grocery store line

987
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: and you go, hey, just have three things, throw them

988
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: in with mine. How's your day going? And then all

989
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're in a conversation or a tear

990
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: goes down their cheek and you go, it's gonna be okay.

991
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: Deep breath. I mean, there's not a day that goes

992
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: by that you don't cross somebody's path that is invisible

993
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: to the whole world. But they don't have to be

994
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: invisible to you.

995
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: My brain process is a different I just want to

996
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: fight everybody. Do you want to write songs and I

997
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: want to fight everybody?

998
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

999
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: I want to fight everyone.

1000
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what, and your life is unique

1001
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: to you. Discover it and fulfill your purpose. Whatever that

1002
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: fight is, take it to the big arena.

1003
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: And then I go, well, we'll vote, And then I go, well,

1004
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: they're Jerry Manner and the crap at everything, So what

1005
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: is the voting even going to matter? That's getting rigged

1006
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: as well?

1007
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: Well don't then don't do the fight that nobody's listening.

1008
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: But use your voice and all that and go where

1009
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: can the fight in me affect the most people.

1010
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: I have to turn it away from politics. I have

1011
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: to go and help folks that struggle with what I

1012
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: struggled with, which is basically eating. Yeah, you know, food

1013
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: and security. Yeah yeah, but then I still want to fight.

1014
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: When I'm done, I just have like I just this.

1015
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: It's really the only thing that I get rage, like

1016
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 2: inner rage about that in Arkansas sports losing, those are

1017
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: the only two things that I really like. I'm so

1018
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: fired up about that I have to check out of

1019
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: it completely or I don't. I don't do well.

1020
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, So the other day I went to see

1021
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: my nephew by marriage, said I want you to come

1022
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: see what's happening at the farm where I'm working. So

1023
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: he was a coach at CPA and now he's helping

1024
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: to manage somebody's farm, and it's so much less stress

1025
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: in his life. I'm so happy for him. And I

1026
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: show up and he's he's encouraging animals. It's like a

1027
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: thousand acre farm. I'm not sure how I got the

1028
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: job y him, and I see these people working a garden,

1029
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: but it's like big gardens kind of randomly placed. And

1030
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: I start meeting these people. You just mentioned Food Insecurity,

1031
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: and it was several fields of this man's farm that

1032
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: are being cultivated by Cultivate. So you know, last year Cultivate,

1033
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: which started in Nashville, produced over a million, yeah, a

1034
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: million pounds of food for Food Insecure. And their workforce

1035
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: comes from men of valor, men coming out of the

1036
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: prison system for a sustainable wage. And then you know,

1037
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: the suit and tie corporate world wants to have a

1038
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: work day and they wind up Cultivate is managing all

1039
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: that come and work next to the men of valor.

1040
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: So then you've got a guide that's been in prison

1041
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: just out next to a guy who has well into

1042
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: a six figure salary, and they're working side by side,

1043
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: and it's like it's changing both of them and creating opportunities.

1044
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: You know, So like, I look, so many great things

1045
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: have happened in Nashville, and it doesn't go to the polls.

1046
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: Nashville is it's a freakishly creative city to be in.

1047
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: No wonder everybody's coming here. But like Ellington Agricultural Area,

1048
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: like the idea for cultivate. The first ask was can

1049
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: we have any city owned land? And those were the

1050
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: first fields and I was like, well yeah, And then suddenly,

1051
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: now anybody that's food insecure, then they can purchase that

1052
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: food at it. You know, I'm just saying, you can

1053
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: be mad about anything, but if you dig deep enough,

1054
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: if you let your curiosity lead you, somebody is doing

1055
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: something besides shouting. And I want to find the people

1056
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: who are doing stuff and just be led by your curiosity.

1057
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: But then I want to shout, to fight, I want

1058
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 2: to do it, do all that, then I want to fight.

1059
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I'm just telling you so with this record,

1060
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: we were talking about it before you came in. You

1061
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: didn't plan to make it. You made it. It's a

1062
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: full body of work. Now what do you think the

1063
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: full body of work stands for? Though?

1064
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a witness, my witness to life.

1065
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: And what does it represent?

1066
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it represents But what like

1067
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 2: because you did it in pieces without the intention of

1068
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: it being one big piece, right, you never had the

1069
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: idea We're going to do a whole record once it

1070
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: all came together, Like, what do you feel like it

1071
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: means now?

1072
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: Well, it means a great deal to me because different

1073
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: songs came from different places. A week ago, I was

1074
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,479
Speaker 1: on Staten Island singing with Public School twenty two PS

1075
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: twenty two and they just posted it yesterday. But their

1076
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: music teacher, Greg's last name I can't pronounce. He teaches

1077
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: the fourth and fifth grade music class harmony singing and

1078
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: they invite different guest artists to come in and sing

1079
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: with them, and their faces are so alive. And it

1080
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: was a song that I wrote with Ruby am Mamfu

1081
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: And I was inspired by my trip to Capitol Hill

1082
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: in Tennessee in Nashville, trying to meet with legislative legislators

1083
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: on both sides of the isle and Bill Lee for

1084
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: better gun control, a safer just a safer environment for

1085
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: our kids. And you know, such a gridlock. And everybody's

1086
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: doesn't want to lose their rights, don't want their passions

1087
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: infringed on in any way, and you know, and more

1088
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: and more shootings are happening, and mental health is not

1089
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: great in our country, and people are isolated. And I thought, well,

1090
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to do what I do. And I wrote

1091
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: a song, and to hear children singing, how do we

1092
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: get there from here? How do we take the first step?

1093
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: How to take the next step? How do we get

1094
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: there from here? Instead of saying we're not ready yet?

1095
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: How do we learn to trust each other? Instead of

1096
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: living life and fear? How do we get there from here?

1097
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't even sing it, and I

1098
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe we've all kind of screwed it

1099
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: up and the next generation will write the ship. I

1100
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: don't know with you shouting.

1101
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm also helping.

1102
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: You are helping.

1103
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I have some money, and I spend

1104
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: the money to help. Yes, I do some stuff, you know.

1105
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't just get money. Like I like to show

1106
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: up and do stuff, but I like to shout and

1107
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 2: fight to it. It gets good.

1108
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: That's good.

1109
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: But then I got to check out because my wife's like,

1110
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: you're going too crazy. Turned the TV off. You can't

1111
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 2: watch the news anymore, You're going crazy. Yeah.

1112
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: My thing is just let don't let that be it,

1113
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, don't just watch somebody else's thing and implode,

1114
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: because we all what's that Victor Frankel quote, you know,

1115
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: survivor of multiple concentration camps and the Nazi regime. And

1116
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: my niece who's in recovery enough, an amazing therapist, and

1117
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: she framed it for me his words, between the stimulus

1118
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: and the response, there's a space, and in that space

1119
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: lies our freedom and our power. And so it was like,

1120
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: all right, Oh, there's a luck coming at me, but

1121
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: what comes from me? I get to choose.

1122
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: Ah, that's good too. Yeah, that's good. Well, I appreciate

1123
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: you coming by. I always enjoy when you come by.

1124
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 2: Did you bring a record I've brought because.

1125
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: I brought one of my records, but I brought this

1126
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: is a much better version of tapestry. Look all the

1127
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: lyrics are on the back.

1128
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 2: Oh wow, will you hold that up and show the camera.

1129
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: So why is that record so important to you?

1130
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: I think I haven't listened to it in this form

1131
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: in a long time. Carol King's a great songwriter. I

1132
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: fell in love with her when I was a kid.

1133
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: And my sixth grade boyfriend, Johnny Dicker, we would get

1134
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: on the phone, and we would press the need of

1135
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: our turntable down so that the records were spinning at

1136
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: the exact same time. And you know, I love that

1137
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: she had kind of an average voice, because I was

1138
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: a kid with an average voice that loved music and

1139
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: I loved songs, and I I thought, I can, I

1140
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: can find a way to make a life doing something

1141
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know what, but somehow involved with music.

1142
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: Is there a song on that record that when you're here,

1143
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 2: it kind of puts you back in a place.

1144
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well will you will you love me tomorrow?

1145
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: We still love me tomorrow? That was on my original

1146
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: set list when I was fifteen and played at the

1147
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: Chapel program, So we used to love Me Tomorrow, the

1148
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: song about the one night stand I put right between

1149
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: a couple of my Jesus songs. It's perfect, that's life.

1150
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 2: Do you ever sing that song now?

1151
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean I sing it to myself. I haven't put

1152
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: it in this set list in a long time.

1153
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: That's fine. That's a great record.

1154
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: Isn't it home again? Natural woman? Golly? I feel it?

1155
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Does it bring my memories? Just look at it

1156
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 2: at it right now?

1157
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

1158
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, yeah. I need my glasses. I'm staring

1159
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: at it like I can read any of this.

1160
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great record. Thank you for the time. Seriously,

1161
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: I always love spending any time that we could spend together.

1162
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: And I hope that everything that you want to get

1163
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 2: out of this record you get out of it, and

1164
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: maybe all that you were to get out of it

1165
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: was all you got while making it.

1166
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: That is that was the only thing that I could

1167
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: actually sign up for and not control but actively participate in.

1168
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: And now you know I've said it free, it'll do

1169
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: what it'll do. And put that PS. Twenty two on

1170
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: Staten Island. That was great, And Sony, anything else that

1171
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: comes up that would open a door, I do it.

1172
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 4: Amy, thank you, thank you, thanks for listening to a

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01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast production.