Speaker 1: Wine down with Janet Kramer and I heard radio podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, just let's just I'll just take a
Speaker 1: ready to breathe. I'm always out of breath when we
Speaker 1: start this because we're like constant, constantly moving, and then
Speaker 1: we get to sit for a second, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we can breathe. Yeah, because I was just like I
Speaker 1: came running in the house, I got a little leo
Speaker 1: and then it's like, because I was just came in
Speaker 1: from therapy, Oh, how was that. I'm holding space for
Speaker 1: it right, Okay there, um no, but I um oh,
Speaker 1: I I just love Amy so much, such a great therapist.
Speaker 1: You know I'm so emotional, are you? I'm so emotional.
Speaker 1: I just I'm on my period. Okay, well let's just
Speaker 1: get that out there. Um. Which is so funny because
Speaker 1: in the earlier days, my twenties, I was never emotional
Speaker 1: on my period, and it's switched same. Yeah, I'm like
Speaker 1: a roaring bitch about three nights before yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I'm emotional. Yeah, Like it's yeah. For me, it was
Speaker 1: always like the week before, I'm like, oh, I'm going
Speaker 1: to start my period next week. Because I would just
Speaker 1: remember being always agitated and highly bitchy nothing. It's like
Speaker 1: I just got mad about the stupidest thing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I remember I'd have to hide my tampons and
Speaker 1: rappers from Mike because I'm like, I don't want him
Speaker 1: to know that was the reason I was being a
Speaker 1: total be No, no, I don't ever never because then
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, um, leo, please don't choot that baby,
Speaker 1: thank you. Uh yeah, so there was That's that was
Speaker 1: like the first thing I said to Amy today, I go,
Speaker 1: I'm really emotional. I said, I'm on my period. I said,
Speaker 1: but there it's um and I say this, I go,
Speaker 1: the emotions aren't sad. She's like interesting, and she I
Speaker 1: was like, it's more of like, um, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just like I'm around this new journey and I'm finding
Speaker 1: myself and I'm setting really good boundaries and I'm being
Speaker 1: more honest. So I was like, I think, just like
Speaker 1: coming into this new version like makes me emotional. I
Speaker 1: love it sweet. And then you know, she's I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, I'm I'm starting to like who I
Speaker 1: am and I think that. I was like, and that
Speaker 1: makes me emotional, and and then we were just you know,
Speaker 1: talking about I was told her about the date that
Speaker 1: I went on. Yeah about I mean, you know I'm dating, right,
Speaker 1: so I can maybe share stories about it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you all are interested in hearing stories of
Speaker 1: the dating world. I think you should. Um, this is
Speaker 1: probably date, no serious relationships, just like date and have
Speaker 1: some fun. Right well, but I mean, like I feel
Speaker 1: like hawk Girl summer was fun. And Leo, he's going
Speaker 1: to chew the chords, buddy. I've literally this is the
Speaker 1: thing about dogs too. I have five different bones for
Speaker 1: him to choose for to really, but come on, buddy,
Speaker 1: I need you to like chill here, there we go.
Speaker 1: Let's chew that. I love your sweetheart, but I need
Speaker 1: you to chill up. He's like, Mom, I was just
Speaker 1: my great you were therapy talking about your feelings. Whatelings. Um, So, okay,
Speaker 1: we have an amazing guest coming on today. Uh and
Speaker 1: I don't know when she's gonna pop on, So I mean,
Speaker 1: should we start tiptoeing in the direction of where the
Speaker 1: emotions are coming from? Oh? Well, I just got a
Speaker 1: text saying Bobby Bobby's coming on in one second. So well, guys,
Speaker 1: you know I was gonna lean in and I was
Speaker 1: gonna lean in and talk about all this. Uh, maybe
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it after this amazing guest Bobby Brown.
Speaker 1: If you don't know who Bobby Brown is, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need you to go on Sephora dot com or Bobby
Speaker 1: Brown dot com. And um, her makeup is amazing. But
Speaker 1: she started a new podcast and I can always talk
Speaker 1: to her because she's a she's a beauty icon in
Speaker 1: in this space, and I just, um, I have her,
Speaker 1: I have right here because I'm like this, have you
Speaker 1: ever seen me use a different bronzer than this Bobby
Speaker 1: Brown bronzer all the time? Bobby Brown bronzer, the bronzing powder.
Speaker 1: I'm in the media shade. But let's take a break
Speaker 1: and get her on and talk all things beauty and podcast. Hi. Hi,
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm so good. I'm Jannah. This is Catherine. Hi. Hi.
Speaker 1: Where are you? Guys? So we live in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I used to live in l A. Now I live
Speaker 1: here in Nashville. Where are you? I'm in montclar New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Is that where you're from? It is? No, It's where
Speaker 1: I raised my family. I'm from Chicago, Chicago. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: from Michigan. Do you know how to play Yuker? No?
Speaker 1: I don't. Do you even do know the game? I do?
Speaker 1: I do, but no, I do not play. I don't
Speaker 1: play anything. No, I'm not a player. No. I watched
Speaker 1: my kids play. How old are How old are your kids?
Speaker 1: They're older now? Thirty two, thirty and two. I just
Speaker 1: you know three boys. I just grew up watching them play.
Speaker 1: Are we are we? Are we a grandma yet? Or
Speaker 1: we are going to be a grandmother in the end
Speaker 1: of September? Oh my goodness. Have you thought about your name? Like?
Speaker 1: Do you want to be grandma? Do you want to
Speaker 1: be Nana? Do you want to be g g? Like?
Speaker 1: Would you want to be it would make sense to
Speaker 1: be called BB. Love that, Yes, I I love that,
Speaker 1: And I have to I have to show you my
Speaker 1: my one. This is like I'm going to geek out
Speaker 1: really fast. This is the Bobby Brown. Do you know
Speaker 1: that that's not the new brand? I am. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: haven't gotten the memo? Come on, no, I love No,
Speaker 1: I got the memo. But like I'm saying, like I've
Speaker 1: started on this, So is that the new one that's
Speaker 1: gonna be? Yeah, I'm not I left that company almost
Speaker 1: six years ago. And um, so I don't even know
Speaker 1: what if you didn't buy in the past five or
Speaker 1: six years, I don't know what you got. But this
Speaker 1: is the new brand, which is Jones Road, which is
Speaker 1: a clean brand, and it's it's different, it's very different. Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: so because I knew that you sold, because you sold
Speaker 1: Bobby Brown to Stay lott A right right, But I
Speaker 1: stayed twenty two years as an employee. Okay, I was
Speaker 1: there a long time, so left. I launched this brand
Speaker 1: five years after I left. Well, I've been buying this
Speaker 1: um bronzing powder since it's um since you started with
Speaker 1: this brand. And let me just tell you, I've never
Speaker 1: cheated on you with my bronzing powder. Um. I mean
Speaker 1: I could possibly now cheat with the new product that
Speaker 1: you have, but I'll try and see you know what
Speaker 1: you like? Is it hard for you to still have
Speaker 1: your name on something that's that you're not now? Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of what I did, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of the experiences I've had, and I'm certainly more
Speaker 1: excited that I am able to do something completely different,
Speaker 1: new and fresh and do it my way. Did you
Speaker 1: were you not able to do it your way in
Speaker 1: the beginning with the I'm not going to spend a
Speaker 1: ton of time talking about the past. I kind of
Speaker 1: did that for a while, but you know, when it's
Speaker 1: a big brand and there's a lot of people involved
Speaker 1: in a lot of departments and a lot of you
Speaker 1: know whatever. Yeah, you just it's not like you're totally
Speaker 1: in charge when you as when you first start and
Speaker 1: now I am. I think I'm in charge, I mean.
Speaker 1: And then so then you have your new podcast, So
Speaker 1: what is that going to be about them? Tell me
Speaker 1: about the podcast on iHeart Radio Shorts on iHeart Radio,
Speaker 1: and it's called The Important Things. And to me, the
Speaker 1: Important Things are is everything from how you live your
Speaker 1: life to who you spend time with, to what you
Speaker 1: do with the time to like how do you buy
Speaker 1: the best T shirt? Too? What do you eat to
Speaker 1: feel good? What do you do to look good? You know?
Speaker 1: And I'm someone who's really curious, and I have really
Speaker 1: great relationships with so many amazing women and that's how
Speaker 1: I've learned so much. So this is just, you know,
Speaker 1: a way for people to hear these conversations and they're
Speaker 1: real and they're just they're not scripted, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just hope everyone loves them because I really enjoyed
Speaker 1: doing them. Have you had have you already started, um
Speaker 1: having interviews and stuff like are you badging some of them? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now we're actually launching today, so we have I think
Speaker 1: bankrolled about six of them so far. The first one
Speaker 1: which is launching is Giada de Laurentis, and so we
Speaker 1: talked about everything from you know, her being divorced, to
Speaker 1: her new boyfriend, her daughter raising a teenager, and of
Speaker 1: course I want to know how she could eat all
Speaker 1: this amazing food and still stay thin. And we talked
Speaker 1: about you know, similarities like our height, and she told
Speaker 1: me about like her favorite genes, and we talked about
Speaker 1: bras because we're both doubt girls, and we talked about
Speaker 1: what works and what doesn't, and um, you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: it's relatable and interesting to people. And my assistance have
Speaker 1: been on and they they're like, oh my god, it
Speaker 1: was so good. So I'm pretty excited. And I also
Speaker 1: talked to from Bling Empire Kim and Kelly, so I'm
Speaker 1: kind of go in different directions, like I find people
Speaker 1: really interesting and I just kind of want to know
Speaker 1: who you are, and like are you just naturally always beautiful?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that much of I'm asking you.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know you're so pretty? Have you always
Speaker 1: like I felt pretty? Or have you ever had any
Speaker 1: kind of issues? Like I'm curious about stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I first of all, I love the
Speaker 1: personality that you have to lean into people and ask questions.
Speaker 1: That's why that's something that I, um love as well
Speaker 1: to sit down and be like where are you from?
Speaker 1: Who are like? Who are you? You know? And like
Speaker 1: what is your story? Because I I love hearing people's stories,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why I've enjoyed, you know, doing
Speaker 1: my podcast as well as just really hearing people's stories
Speaker 1: and relating and learning because I I want to learn
Speaker 1: from other people. Um but oh man, I mean I
Speaker 1: was no, I mean I don't. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I The first time I ever feel like I felt
Speaker 1: pretty was when I was pregnant with my daughter. That
Speaker 1: was the first time where I felt like I felt beautiful.
Speaker 1: Um but I mean I've had And then I would
Speaker 1: say and I was actually just gotten from therapy and
Speaker 1: I was kind of teasing a little bit of my
Speaker 1: therapy session, and I said, this is the first. I'm
Speaker 1: thirty eight years old. I'll be thirty nine later this year,
Speaker 1: and I said, this is the and I again, I'm
Speaker 1: going to preface this. I'm on my period. I'm emotional,
Speaker 1: but like this is the first time like I've looked
Speaker 1: in the mirror and I'm like, I like this version
Speaker 1: not because I've you know, yes, I physically feel the
Speaker 1: fittest I've ever been. I you know, I've I feel
Speaker 1: good in my body, but I also it's I feel
Speaker 1: the most emotionally pretty and mentally pretty that I've ever felt.
Speaker 1: And so like the the outside like, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like i've you know, I know how to maybe do
Speaker 1: my makeup more now, and I know how to you know,
Speaker 1: like embrace the you know, the no makeup look. But
Speaker 1: it's because I think what's coming in is the confidence
Speaker 1: is making me feel prettier. Um, and I think it
Speaker 1: was because of years of you know, my divorce and
Speaker 1: the men. And so I'm like, I'm really like loving
Speaker 1: my who I'm becoming. I mean, look, everyone has a story,
Speaker 1: You're right, And I guess I sometimes asked the personal
Speaker 1: things because I'm I'm comfortable doing that and talking about it.
Speaker 1: I never like to make anyone uncomfortable and put them
Speaker 1: on the spot, but there's all these things like I'm
Speaker 1: sorry Jillian Michael, like do you eat bread? You know,
Speaker 1: so it's like like that was the first question, and she,
Speaker 1: you know, she started laughing at me, and then we
Speaker 1: started getting into our digestion or my digestion. Hopefully they'll
Speaker 1: cut it out, but no, it's great. I mean Dr
Speaker 1: Oz told us how to have a great poop, you know,
Speaker 1: like what it looks like. So it's like, well, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I thought of naming the podcast at one point everyone poops,
Speaker 1: because I do think everyone is the same and you know, famous,
Speaker 1: not famous, old, young, we're kind of very similar. So
Speaker 1: you know, for me, there are so many podcasts out there,
Speaker 1: like I just wanted this to be, you know, someone
Speaker 1: hearing a conversation. It's like I get to meet and
Speaker 1: talk to really interesting people, as do you, and I
Speaker 1: want people to hear the information is um you know,
Speaker 1: as someone who leans in because obviously you lean in,
Speaker 1: you want to hear people's story. Is there has there
Speaker 1: ever been something like what what prevents what prevents you
Speaker 1: from leaning in? Like is there something that like you
Speaker 1: get uncomfortable with or you shy away from in a topic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't look to hurt people's feelings.
Speaker 1: I don't hurt I don't look to out them on something.
Speaker 1: And you know, people have said a couple weird things
Speaker 1: and you know you have to make a decision do
Speaker 1: you keep them in do not keep them in? Like
Speaker 1: I don't. You know, I'm a caring person more than anything.
Speaker 1: So I you know, we all have things that we
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about and that we don't need
Speaker 1: everyone to hear about. So, um, that probably prevents me
Speaker 1: the most, I know. And I could kind of tell
Speaker 1: or I know, and there's things that are pain points
Speaker 1: for people. I'm not trying to un lock this hotbed.
Speaker 1: There's other people out there that could, you know, play
Speaker 1: that role. It's not me. Where do you find it
Speaker 1: in your life where you kind of struggle leaning in? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I've just started working with a business coach who you
Speaker 1: know is helping me out a lot of things. And
Speaker 1: she's teaching me that, you know what, the words that
Speaker 1: come out of my mouth really matter because I'm someone
Speaker 1: ask me how I'm doing. You know, my husband will
Speaker 1: I've been married thirty three years. He'll pull out a
Speaker 1: little baby violin, you know. But it's like stress for me.
Speaker 1: But but it doesn't to him. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: they're stress. So I'm trying to um work on the
Speaker 1: words that come out of my mouth to be more
Speaker 1: positive and to see things in a better way. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm sixty five and it's taken me
Speaker 1: years to evolve, and I'm someone that is thinking about
Speaker 1: my life when I'm eighty and and even ninety because
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'm not going to be one
Speaker 1: of those people sitting on a chair and not feeling
Speaker 1: good in my body. It's Jesus, you look amazing. First
Speaker 1: of all, I was like, oh my gosh, I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't look a day older than me. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have two really good lights from Instagram from Amazon right here. No,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, we like to and and Janna, I
Speaker 1: didn't it to meet you. You're Janna, right, I'm Janna.
Speaker 1: This is Katherine. You're Katherine. So I'm only talking to you,
Speaker 1: but you're sitting there, Katherine's I am sitting here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm yes, I'm letting her take it away. No, please, Katherine,
Speaker 1: question away. Yeah. So yeah, So tell me quickly about you.
Speaker 1: So long story short, we are best friends and work
Speaker 1: together obviously. Um, let's see what about me. We've you know,
Speaker 1: I was married for fifteen years, recently going through a divorce,
Speaker 1: have three kids. Don't lean in as much as you
Speaker 1: two do. I'll let you'll do that part of it. Um, well, no,
Speaker 1: I think it's because it's it's uncomfortable. It's not familiar, right,
Speaker 1: so you're like learning, like just like how I've been
Speaker 1: on my journey. It's like it's because it's not practiced.
Speaker 1: So I feel like if you practice it more, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna eventually start to lean in more. Like the
Speaker 1: first time I prayed, I'm like, dear God. Um, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like but when you start to lean
Speaker 1: in two things, then you it gets more comfortable. And
Speaker 1: I think you know, you're learning to hug and like
Speaker 1: it's like as simple as like eventually I'm working honest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what that's probably why it works exactly, Yes,
Speaker 1: it is it. Yeah, but and you know what, not
Speaker 1: everyone is supposed to be like someone else. I think
Speaker 1: the best thing is when you figure out, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is who I am and if someone thinks I should
Speaker 1: be different, that's more their problem than mine. So you know,
Speaker 1: I can't change at this point, so you should, you know,
Speaker 1: don't You know? There's some things I want to change.
Speaker 1: I want to drink more water, you know, I want
Speaker 1: to get up earlier, so I'm not always in a rush.
Speaker 1: But I can't seem to master those things. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: kind of the journey I'm on because I am you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to embrace that part of myself, um, but
Speaker 1: also not just be like, well that's who I am,
Speaker 1: so take it or leave it kind of things. So
Speaker 1: I'm definitely trying to embrace that at the same time
Speaker 1: and take it as a strength and not a weakness, um,
Speaker 1: but then also learning how to be more vulnerable and
Speaker 1: lean in right And honestly, it's about being happy. Like
Speaker 1: what makes me happy? I you know, I walked away
Speaker 1: from the beauty business and then I went back. You know,
Speaker 1: this is my third or fourth podcast, Like why am I?
Speaker 1: Why am I? Because I like reinventing and I like
Speaker 1: shifting and moving and seeing what works. So I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'll be doing you know this for a very long time.
Speaker 1: What what practices do you do to stay in that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's because I'm kind of the same way.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a lot going on and sometimes I
Speaker 1: fall out of positivity sometimes, you know, and that's to
Speaker 1: lean into that. But how do you stay um, how
Speaker 1: do you stay centered in in all the stuff that
Speaker 1: you're doing? Well? You know, I've always I've always done
Speaker 1: all these things, and I've always had a place to
Speaker 1: come home, which is my comfort zone. You know, my
Speaker 1: my I've been put wearing scrunches in my hair for years.
Speaker 1: I've been wearing clouds fears. I would literally come out
Speaker 1: of New York City and the big fancy outfits and
Speaker 1: being so fabulous to my home and my three young
Speaker 1: boys that are not you know, young anymore, and my
Speaker 1: husband and I would just be I would be myself
Speaker 1: and be Bobby. And that is always what I crave.
Speaker 1: When I'm doing these cool, fun, amazing things, I just
Speaker 1: can't wait to get home and you know, take my
Speaker 1: bra off and put my robe on. That makes me happy.
Speaker 1: I call aunt Alice, who's ninety one years old and
Speaker 1: you know, from Chicago, and she helps me. I call
Speaker 1: my dad, I call my best friends, Like I have
Speaker 1: a posse around me, you know, my kids, my work
Speaker 1: friends that when I need appreciate me for me and
Speaker 1: know when I'm like I'm like wigging out or coming apart,
Speaker 1: there there to make sure I don't. And that's like
Speaker 1: I've always made sure I had that, and then being
Speaker 1: I can't yeah no, and then being married thirty plus years,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you like what what has been the
Speaker 1: thing that's kept you all together through all the seasons
Speaker 1: that you've been going through work wise too, and kids
Speaker 1: And he's so handsome. Um, you know, there's many things.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's uh, he's really strong, like I
Speaker 1: married someone who is even stronger than me, if that's possible.
Speaker 1: And he's super super smart, and you know, you realize
Speaker 1: after thirty three years that the strong piece of him
Speaker 1: sometimes he is getting too strong. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: I have to figure out. And you realize that men
Speaker 1: and women are so different. So how I say things.
Speaker 1: When I say things, you know, I have to be
Speaker 1: a little bit careful. And I have three sons, so
Speaker 1: and I used to being a big corporation that was
Speaker 1: mostly men. I have learned how to navigate males because
Speaker 1: they are so different than we are. It's not even funny.
Speaker 1: So why are we still together? Because every time I
Speaker 1: get piste off, I never say I'm going to divorce you.
Speaker 1: I just gonna say I'm you know, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why I'm upset with you and like ask you
Speaker 1: not to do it again. But you know there's more
Speaker 1: to it than that, you know. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: so simple. I love that. No. I get Look, I
Speaker 1: get annoyed, I get anxious, I get piste, I get
Speaker 1: all those things. I'm working on how I do it.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not blaming him for the way he acts.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be smarter and and how and when
Speaker 1: I tell him I'm upset or how and when? And
Speaker 1: I'm not always doing the best job. I'm working on
Speaker 1: it because you know, even with my kids, you can't
Speaker 1: tell them stuff, you know, and it doesn't work. They
Speaker 1: just they block you out. So what do you do?
Speaker 1: I was just thinking too, it's like as as as
Speaker 1: a you know, I have a daughter and a son um,
Speaker 1: but as you know, you're a boy mom, and it's
Speaker 1: like I can't. I just I like, I hope, I
Speaker 1: pray to God, like the you know, the whoever he's with,
Speaker 1: Like I just I'm gonna because it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to take my son away, you know, like my, that's
Speaker 1: my boy. Like and then I'm like, now I'm like protective.
Speaker 1: You'm like, do they just want your makeup? Because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell these girls they need to like, like listen
Speaker 1: up here, I adore my daughter in law. One of
Speaker 1: them is my head of social that she's one having
Speaker 1: a baby, and and and every time she wants me
Speaker 1: to shoot things, I'm gonna say, all right, how many
Speaker 1: minutes do I get the baby? Then we're gonna start negotiating.
Speaker 1: And and you know, she's my I love her. But
Speaker 1: you know it's not easy all of a sudden having
Speaker 1: girls come in the house either. So you know, nothing's easy.
Speaker 1: Guys in life, Hello, nothing's easy. But you put the
Speaker 1: work in because it's worth it. You put the working
Speaker 1: because because it's worth it. I love that, Bobby. All right,
Speaker 1: tell everyone where we can listen to your podcast and
Speaker 1: where we can get your new amazing new line. Well,
Speaker 1: you can listen to the podcast The Important Things on
Speaker 1: I Heart or wherever you get your podcasts, and you
Speaker 1: can go to Jones Road Beauty dot com and um
Speaker 1: you'll see everything or you can go to the Jones
Speaker 1: Road Beauty Instagram and um there will be uh, there's
Speaker 1: just Bobby dot com, which is our our editorial site.
Speaker 1: You could follow me on TikTok on Instagram and anyways, okay, awesome, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you Bobby so much. Good luck with that podcast,
Speaker 1: and um, I am excited to listen to all the
Speaker 1: important things. Thank you. Bye. Well, I'm just gonna toss
Speaker 1: this one and I'm gonna get the new one. Um.
Speaker 1: I love people that want to, you know, as ask questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like when I was at the restaurant last night
Speaker 1: and it probably annoys people, but I'm as like, where
Speaker 1: are you from? Okay, I genuinely want to know. Like
Speaker 1: this waiter he was so cool and I was like like,
Speaker 1: where are you from? I mean when you say I'm
Speaker 1: from Atlanta? And I was like, oh, I have a
Speaker 1: really bad Atlanta story that Katherine told him last week
Speaker 1: speaking Atlanta your airport socks. I'm sure we have more
Speaker 1: Atlanta stories too, oh do we ever? Um? But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I just think it's I think it's cool. And you know,
Speaker 1: what's something that in therapy today when I was talking
Speaker 1: to Amy was I was telling her of the situation,
Speaker 1: and she goes, we're all on different wrote like we're
Speaker 1: all on different places in the map. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: can be far left um with I mean even politics, religion,
Speaker 1: this whatever, where like wherever you're at, like and then
Speaker 1: you can and then maybe I'm over here, and it's
Speaker 1: like you can still have commonality, but you can just
Speaker 1: be in different parts on the map and still find
Speaker 1: you know, things that you can relate to. But if
Speaker 1: you're two polar, then that's when it's like is that
Speaker 1: going to work? And then where is that person willing
Speaker 1: to kind of move on the map with you or
Speaker 1: not move on the map with you? And then are
Speaker 1: you going to be able to stick to like? And
Speaker 1: then you have to be like, okay, well what do
Speaker 1: I really want? And like are you like, for example,
Speaker 1: I don't think I could date someone that was really
Speaker 1: into like ayahuasca and like, super, what why are you
Speaker 1: giving me? Like I was like, this is someone like
Speaker 1: and it's ayahuasca is so funny? I was like, oh god,
Speaker 1: I was like, who's doing ayahuaska? Um? Ayahuasca? Is this
Speaker 1: practice that again I'm gonna probably butcher this And I
Speaker 1: apologize and I don't mean to offend or whatever. Ayahuasca is.
Speaker 1: Uh this like I believe tea you drink it's some
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know the exact terminology of what
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know if it's like roots or right.
Speaker 1: I mean like it's something that you drink of like
Speaker 1: a tea that has stuff that a shaman gives you
Speaker 1: and you like some people like poop themselves, like you
Speaker 1: go through like you basically go through like this um
Speaker 1: trip and um. But I've heard such beautiful healing that's
Speaker 1: come from ayahuasca. Like I I even almost considered doing
Speaker 1: it after my divorce because you know, people like they
Speaker 1: some people eat the toad or whatever like the like
Speaker 1: there's like there's certain things that people do that you
Speaker 1: can experience, like massive healing. And so I remember talking
Speaker 1: to my girlfriend Caitlin Crosby about it and uh another
Speaker 1: friend of mine who actually did ayahuaska, and I was
Speaker 1: like I started to explore it, um to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I would like to experience what this might feel
Speaker 1: like or some revelation because people say they have like
Speaker 1: this insane revelation. But then I started to remember that
Speaker 1: I'm not the person that likes to take tailan al
Speaker 1: so I'm like me drinking this like concoction of I
Speaker 1: don't know really what it is. You know, maybe that's
Speaker 1: not the right route for me. Like maybe I should
Speaker 1: just do like on site. Let's that that might be
Speaker 1: more of like my alley. Like but you know, um,
Speaker 1: she was like I was talking to her about it
Speaker 1: because here both single moms, and you know, in the
Speaker 1: dating scene, and and one guy was very into ayahuasca
Speaker 1: and he was like a spiritual leader and he did
Speaker 1: all these things, and I think there's and I'm very spiritual,
Speaker 1: but if someone's on the spectrum all the way, like
Speaker 1: I just don't align with that right. And then I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: for example, let's just call this Julie, our best friend
Speaker 1: in Queendom. Let's just start with this conversation. Hi, Julie,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about you for a second. We're at
Speaker 1: her birthday dinner with the queendom and um, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's all of Queendom. And then a few other of
Speaker 1: our friends celebrating Pam and Julie and Julie's you know, she's, um,
Speaker 1: she's more on the I'm gonna read tarot cards, and
Speaker 1: she's really begin astrology, which is beautiful and I love
Speaker 1: it and I have you know, I believe some of
Speaker 1: that stuff for sure. You know, I'm I'm a hands
Speaker 1: down Sagittarius and you know I'm I'm here for it
Speaker 1: and all of it. What I'm not when when she
Speaker 1: started talking about was her seven lives? Right, yep? You
Speaker 1: any more to that? No, that's what she started talking about.
Speaker 1: So she was basically saying like one in her sixth life,
Speaker 1: like she was, her and her husband were actually brother
Speaker 1: and sister. Kristen Brusco's way, She's like, I'm fine with
Speaker 1: like the you know, sad like the astrology stuff. She's like,
Speaker 1: but you're telling me that you've got seven lives and
Speaker 1: so okay. So if that was a guy version, I'd
Speaker 1: probably be like, I'm not, like, we just don't align
Speaker 1: with that. I just wouldn't. Really, I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't. I wouldn't align with it. And then
Speaker 1: I'm like, is that I don't really want to have
Speaker 1: conversations like that all the time. That was fun and
Speaker 1: it was funny and we had a great time, and
Speaker 1: like Julie, she was crazy, but also but that's great.
Speaker 1: That's what she believes in, and that's you know, she's
Speaker 1: had seven lives and like that's awesome. Like I'm in
Speaker 1: a champion and she owns it and I love it.
Speaker 1: But I don't think I could date someone like that, right, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: again it does not align with your beliefs. That would
Speaker 1: be really hard to be in a serious relationship with
Speaker 1: someone who has completely different beliefs. For me, it would
Speaker 1: be and maybe not some maybe some are really agree
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: that are, you know, but it would be hard for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I was trying to like understand. I was like, oh, Amy,
Speaker 1: how can I because I believe in different things too,
Speaker 1: and how can I not? I'm not trying to judge
Speaker 1: someone else. She's like, well, we're just all in a
Speaker 1: different part of the map, and you just have to
Speaker 1: like how far outside of the map are you? How
Speaker 1: close are you? How is one willing to learn more?
Speaker 1: Is one willing to you know? And she's like you
Speaker 1: just had to kind of figure that piece out. And
Speaker 1: it's just it's so interesting because I just started thinking
Speaker 1: about like the seven lives things. I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can do that. Like, you know, because I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to go do shaman trips every sure, maybe you know
Speaker 1: once in my lifetime could be interesting and I would
Speaker 1: consider it. But I still think you have to like
Speaker 1: align with people and like if you know, someone had
Speaker 1: like twenty cats, I probably couldn't even do that. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a big cat person, you know,
Speaker 1: like I like a cat again, but I'm like my
Speaker 1: mom would never to be able to come visit please
Speaker 1: date someone. So are we getting like a dating story
Speaker 1: or we're just gonna go with that. I can see
Speaker 1: the headline now, Jenne Gramer cries on a date? Uh No,
Speaker 1: but I think so, Yeah, I did. I went on
Speaker 1: a date with someone and he's so he's a very
Speaker 1: special human being, Like he's a he's very emotionally vulnerable.
Speaker 1: He's like he's a really great guy. There's just something
Speaker 1: that we don't align with, and it's something that's really
Speaker 1: important to me and I and I just had a
Speaker 1: moment when I was on the date where it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, okay, like do we then continue to talk
Speaker 1: or is that it because we have two different ideas
Speaker 1: of what this looks, of what we think something looks
Speaker 1: like and it's just so I mean, and I guess
Speaker 1: that's what dating is, and you can figure out what
Speaker 1: you know, but when everything else kind of starts checking,
Speaker 1: you're like, damn it, you know. Yeah. But then I
Speaker 1: was telling my therapist today, I was like, it's just
Speaker 1: so cool because this new version that I like, love
Speaker 1: of myself that I'm becoming is very Usually I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine, like nowhere, but I do I wouldn't mean
Speaker 1: it like this is. I want someone who has a
Speaker 1: strong faith in God. I want like someone that has
Speaker 1: you know, X, Y and Z. And it's like, again,
Speaker 1: I don't want or need someone, but when I do
Speaker 1: have someone in my life and my kid's life, like
Speaker 1: these are the things that are kind of non negotiable
Speaker 1: in a way. You know. I love that though, that
Speaker 1: you're recognizing that and then you're able to stand up
Speaker 1: for that. Well that's and that's why I started crying.
Speaker 1: And I was because you've never been hand because I've
Speaker 1: never and he was just like he looked at me.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, he's like he's like I'm holding like
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm holding space for your emotions. And I'm
Speaker 1: like because he's like, I can see how I'm warn
Speaker 1: this is to you, and it's like, and it's not.
Speaker 1: I wasn't crying because I was sad. I was crying
Speaker 1: because I was like I was actually crying because I
Speaker 1: was proud of myself, but like I was speaking truth
Speaker 1: of something that was really important to me, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, and it's And I told Amy today,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's just so foreign to like actually
Speaker 1: speak my truth and then be proud of myself for
Speaker 1: it or not feel like, well, you know, or or
Speaker 1: just to like be like, well I want him to
Speaker 1: like me. It's like, no, no, like I like me
Speaker 1: and this because what comes along with me. I want
Speaker 1: someone to like you for you know. And and he does,
Speaker 1: but it's like he just might not agree with some
Speaker 1: of the things that I agree with. And it's like
Speaker 1: that's the part where it's like, well, I'm not really
Speaker 1: going to bend on certain things because I don't have
Speaker 1: to write. I mean, I guess that makes sense. But
Speaker 1: Amy saying, you know, depending on where y'all are on
Speaker 1: the spectrum, if you're able to meet somewhere or not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but dating is so interesting because I feel like now,
Speaker 1: like after Hawk Girl Summer. I'm not again. I'm not
Speaker 1: looking for a relationship, but I'm I'm past the point
Speaker 1: of like just like having fun. So I will like
Speaker 1: nip it in the butt. Bud, it's the bud, nippit,
Speaker 1: nip it in the bud. But I'm gonna nip it
Speaker 1: in the butt. I think I used to think that,
Speaker 1: but I think it's bud. Okay, I'm gonna nip it
Speaker 1: in the bud. But yeah, I don't know. So, I
Speaker 1: just dating is interesting and it's fun, but it's I
Speaker 1: think it's been really cool because I've been able to
Speaker 1: learn more about myself through dating and what I want
Speaker 1: and what I don't want, and then just kind of
Speaker 1: just being alone too, which is really nice, like we've
Speaker 1: talked about before. But anyways, the phrase. The phrase refers
Speaker 1: to the horticultural practice of pinching out plant buds to
Speaker 1: prevent the development of shoots or flowers. I'm gonna nip
Speaker 1: it in the bud. There you go, here's the actual. So,
Speaker 1: I don't know, what have you learned, Catherine, What have
Speaker 1: I learned? Oh my gosh, about myself? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've learned a lot about myself in
Speaker 1: the last just a couple of weeks, honestly, Um, but
Speaker 1: that's just from being alone and realizing that, Um, I've
Speaker 1: got a lot to work on, but I am. I'm
Speaker 1: here for the journey. I've learned that I'm way more
Speaker 1: emotional than I realized, and I don't really know what
Speaker 1: to do with the emotion, but that's fine. I'm learning
Speaker 1: to just sit in them. That's the biggest thing right now.
Speaker 1: It's like, why do I feel this way right now?
Speaker 1: I don't really know, but I'm just gonna sit in it.
Speaker 1: That's kind of my new my new thing. I think too.
Speaker 1: You're you're always like I you wanted to be alone,
Speaker 1: but then you're like, oh, now I'm alone, And then
Speaker 1: you didn't realize the emotion that would come along with
Speaker 1: being alone, even though it's what you wanted. But now
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, and it's not like a it's not
Speaker 1: like a regret, it's not a whatever, it's a you know,
Speaker 1: at first, there was a lot of relief and I
Speaker 1: got to just be by myself and really, but now
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, Okay, what am I doing next?
Speaker 1: Because I really am by myself, you know, and I
Speaker 1: really have to do all this, So one am I
Speaker 1: going to do with it? And how I'm gonna, How
Speaker 1: am I gonna It's just kind of the pressure of
Speaker 1: like how am I going to change? How am I
Speaker 1: going to make sure that the next thing or just
Speaker 1: or not even the next thing, just how you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be happy, and I am happy. It's
Speaker 1: just a lot of emotions that are up and down
Speaker 1: with it. I guess you know what I'm trying to say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where the where the emotions? Like where are you trying
Speaker 1: to figure out where those emotions that are coming from? Yeah?
Speaker 1: A lot of it, A lot of it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do think the main emotion is a delayed reaction
Speaker 1: of like my family is no longer, not necessarily that
Speaker 1: I'm not married anymore, but just like you know, I
Speaker 1: think about family trips and you know we've talked about that,
Speaker 1: but it's just like or holidays or whatever that I
Speaker 1: had a very delayed reaction to that. It was like
Speaker 1: I was prepared for it, but I'm like, Okay, now
Speaker 1: the reality is sinking in um and then what that
Speaker 1: looks like down the road when somebody has when we
Speaker 1: have other other people in our lives and you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That's the stuff I knew about and
Speaker 1: I thought about, but I hadn't felt it yet. And
Speaker 1: so now that I'm feeling it, Um, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to like, you know, sit in those emotions but then
Speaker 1: also turn it to positive. That's one thing I'm learning
Speaker 1: to like. If I sit in it too long, then
Speaker 1: I get down. And I don't want to stay down.
Speaker 1: I want to feel it, but then bring myself back up.
Speaker 1: So what do you do then to get back up? Um?
Speaker 1: Right now? Really, I just, um, I go to the Bible, honestly,
Speaker 1: you know, I just you know, I go to the Bible,
Speaker 1: or I do or I pray or I do. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm very trying to get back you know, into my
Speaker 1: personal relationship more. Um and then or I just try
Speaker 1: to do something that makes me happy, you know. Like
Speaker 1: if I'm just sitting there, like scrolling on so that's
Speaker 1: when I see, Like when I'm just like sitting there
Speaker 1: on social media and I just like start thinking about stuff,
Speaker 1: I'm like get up and go for a walk or
Speaker 1: get up and you know, do something with the kids
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and just trying to like just
Speaker 1: get out of your body. That's interesting. Yeah, it's all
Speaker 1: been very It's a journey for sure. I will say,
Speaker 1: I know I'm not trying to get like super religious
Speaker 1: on everyone here. But when you say you look at
Speaker 1: the Bible, it's so funny because we don't actually talk
Speaker 1: about it a lot together? Do you are you do? More?
Speaker 1: Like how do I say? This? Um is so different
Speaker 1: people on the map right, Like some people like I
Speaker 1: have one friend who's always like, God spoke to me God.
Speaker 1: It's like and then but I like, you don't really
Speaker 1: ever I mean know, you listen to worship music. I
Speaker 1: know you go to church, but like I don't never
Speaker 1: like I guess we never really really talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we don't. We have and we have it.
Speaker 1: I think at the beginning of our relationship you weren't
Speaker 1: really in the spot. So I definitely you know, if
Speaker 1: there's somebody that's not I will plant little seeds here
Speaker 1: and there. But I'm never going to make someone feel
Speaker 1: uncomfortable or like I'm trying to pressure them or anything
Speaker 1: like that. I never want to be that kind of
Speaker 1: Christian Um. But if it's someone that's open to it
Speaker 1: or I know is looking for it or then I
Speaker 1: will speak more about it. Um, but it's been so
Speaker 1: amazing to watch is you come into your relationship on
Speaker 1: your own. It's been just really cool and and my
Speaker 1: point of view to watch. But no, I think I
Speaker 1: go I've gone in and out of I've always believed.
Speaker 1: I mean I've never you know, really not, but I've
Speaker 1: gone in and out of how much effort I put
Speaker 1: into it and how much time I put into it.
Speaker 1: And I'm just putting a lot more time into it
Speaker 1: now and making it more of a priority. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: for sure just holding space for that. Okay, Well that
Speaker 1: was a really good episode. Um, I'm gonna I want
Speaker 1: to share another dating story, but I'm gonna hold it
Speaker 1: for next week's because I'm gonna try to get someone
Speaker 1: on to It's either gonna be the next week of
Speaker 1: the next week, but someone that can. I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: a guy on that I've known for years and we're
Speaker 1: just going to have I want to do like it.
Speaker 1: I really want to ask from a male's perspective in
Speaker 1: the dating world, because he's single and whatever, so I
Speaker 1: would love to kind of hear a man's perspective of
Speaker 1: game playing. Nag Jason spar like all of it, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll be good. Whould interesting? We should try that all right,
Speaker 1: y'all have a great week.