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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ryan in here with Garrett Downing and we are

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Speaker 2: going to give you our breakdown from the Ravens eighteen

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Speaker 2: to sixteen loss here in Pittsburgh. Tough loss for the

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Speaker 2: Ravens in a game where you know, it just feels

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Speaker 2: like the Ravens haven't been able to put it together

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Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball, right. The defense plays better,

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Speaker 2: the offense struggles against the Steelers, and it felt like

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Speaker 2: just another Ravens Steelers game that goes the wrong way, right,

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Speaker 2: Like this is the script for the Steelers to beat

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Speaker 2: the Ravens, and it just they just seem to bring

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Speaker 2: out kind of the worst in the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: It feels like, Yeah, I think when you go back

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Speaker 3: and look at the Steelers have now won eight of

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Speaker 3: the last nine against the Ravens, and when you look

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Speaker 3: at that those games, a through line is that the

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Speaker 3: Ravens have hurt themselves in a lot of these situations.

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Speaker 3: And you look at this game. The Ravens turned them

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Speaker 3: all over three times. They fumbled on the second play

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Speaker 3: of the game, they missed two field goals, missed some

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Speaker 3: open wide receivers. You have a play that looks like

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Speaker 3: a shared catch that turns out to be an interception. Penalties,

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Speaker 3: of course, how can I leave that one out? And

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Speaker 3: so you have you basically.

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Speaker 4: Have you have.

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Speaker 3: You have turnovers, penalties, special teams, miscues, and then some

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Speaker 3: not being as sharp as you could be in certain situations.

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Speaker 3: All those things combined to a game where you don't

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Speaker 3: give up a touchdown, but you still lose.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is, the Steelers have made

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Speaker 2: the Ravens play on their terms too often in this

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Speaker 2: rivalry in recent years, and they did so once again today.

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Speaker 2: This was the Steelers blueprint, right. They keep the game close.

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Speaker 2: It's a kind of a defensive slug fest. They make

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Speaker 2: you make mistakes, you make self inflicted mistakes, they turn

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Speaker 2: the ball over.

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Speaker 1: It's just it feels like I've watched.

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Speaker 2: This game too many times now, and it's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens have to figure out a way to get

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Speaker 2: over this hurdle when it comes to Pittsburgh, because you know,

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Speaker 2: I also to a degree, I think, yes, the Ravens

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Speaker 2: hurt themselves the penalties, the turnovers and all these things,

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Speaker 2: but the Steelers, the Steelers defense just beat them just

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Speaker 2: beat the Ravens offense, like you can't just take it

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Speaker 2: away from the Steelers defense. On the the other hand,

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Speaker 2: either right, it wasn't like the Ravens other than the

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Speaker 2: penalties were clicking by any means. Offensively, they were out

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Speaker 2: of sorts. They had no rhythm throughout the whole game.

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Speaker 2: They hit a few chunk plays. That was about it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the defense just flat out beat the Ravens offense.

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Speaker 2: They met their match today, this high scoring number one

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Speaker 2: in the league offense.

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Speaker 3: When you talk about turnovers too, like those were not

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Speaker 3: plays that were just gifted to the Steelers. You have

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Speaker 3: Patrick Queen, for example, forced that turnover on Isaiah likely

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Speaker 3: he ripped that ball out that he popped on it,

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Speaker 3: you know, so like that he gets credit for that play.

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Speaker 4: The turnover. The interception was.

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Speaker 3: A ridiculous It was a ridiculous play and there's a

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Speaker 3: little bit of flukiness evolved in that. But the defender

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Speaker 3: made a great play on that to be able to

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Speaker 3: put his hand up there and then he came down

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Speaker 3: with the football when they were wrestling around with it

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Speaker 3: on the ground like that was a great play by

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Speaker 3: the linebacker and so like, yes, you can say, oh,

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Speaker 3: we shot ourselves on the foot, but those are also

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Speaker 3: the Steelers making plays in those situations. So I think

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Speaker 3: that's I think that's a fair point. It was interesting

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Speaker 3: in terms of the offense and we talk about them

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Speaker 3: being out of sorts all game, like what was it was?

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Speaker 3: What were the Steelers doing to make it difficult? And

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Speaker 3: the common theme and hearing from the Ravens, both John

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Speaker 3: Harbaugh and Lamar Jackson, they pointed to the penalties and

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Speaker 3: shooting themselves in the foot and finding themselves in these situations,

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Speaker 3: whether in second and fifteen or first in twenty and

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Speaker 3: they're starting at their own fifteen yard line because of

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Speaker 3: a special team's penalty. Basically, the penalties just put them

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Speaker 3: in bad situations and that's really what they felt like,

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Speaker 3: got this offense out of sorts.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a degree of that, but that's not

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Speaker 2: the only thing. I think that there's too much pressure.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, Lamar, again, the narrative of Lamar's

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Speaker 2: struggles against the Steelers is going to continue. You know,

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Speaker 2: this was I think probably not it was not his

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Speaker 2: sharpest game when sixteen to thirty three, in part because

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Speaker 2: he was pressured so much. And look the guy made

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Speaker 2: some spectacular throws in the fourth quarter and made something

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Speaker 2: another one wiped out by penalties. You know, I mean

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Speaker 2: he kind of willed them back into this game in

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. But two any missed opportunities early in

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Speaker 2: this game, you know, fades, things like that, overthrows, and

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Speaker 2: you know, to his credit, he was only sacked twice.

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Speaker 2: Ran his way out of a lot of those sacks,

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Speaker 2: but he was under pressure a lot. And the Ravens

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Speaker 2: the rape. The fact of the matter is the Ravens

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Speaker 2: just really did not have many answers for the Steelers. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: the penalty is putting them behind the chains and first down,

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Speaker 1: That hurt. That was not the only thing that hurt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And in the turnovers where you have you opened

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Speaker 3: the game. The second play of the game, Derrick Hennery,

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Speaker 3: who's about a surehand as you can get as running back,

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Speaker 3: coughs it up.

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Speaker 4: It kind of it kind of set the tone.

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Speaker 3: Now, Lamar made the point that like, now we brushed

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Speaker 3: that thing off, it didn't really affect us. But I

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Speaker 3: think that the narrative that exists when these two teams

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Speaker 3: play you're like, oh, here you go, this is this

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Speaker 3: is a script. This is not the way you want

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Speaker 3: to start that game. And and then and then the

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Speaker 3: turnover right before halftime. Those are two situations where big

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Speaker 3: turnovers by the offense, and then the Steeler converted those

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Speaker 3: into six points on short fields.

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Speaker 4: And so the defense, as.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about, the defense probably had its

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Speaker 3: best game of the season, but on those six points

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Speaker 3: came on short fields, and the offense just put them

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Speaker 3: in a really difficult position and turn it over twice there.

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Speaker 3: And that's part of why the offense just wasn't able

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Speaker 3: to able to have success. I mean, Henry's happened on

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Speaker 3: the second drive of the game. The Isaiah likely play.

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Speaker 3: The Isaiah likely fumble happened on the first play of

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Speaker 3: that drive. And so you have these drives that are just.

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Speaker 1: The second drive of the game. It was the second play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Henry Henry second play of the game.

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Speaker 3: And then and then the Isaiah likely fumble happened on

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Speaker 3: the first play of that drive. So you have two

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Speaker 3: drives to just immediately end with turnovers, right, that's not.

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Speaker 2: The had plenty of drives to make something happen. The

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Speaker 2: defense gave them many chances, and so they just didn't

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Speaker 2: have the answers point blank. I mean, comes down to

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Speaker 2: a two point conversion, where again they didn't have the answer, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they end up running the ball to run

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Speaker 2: left with Lamar just a quarterback keeper right. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: and that kind of threw off the whole timing of

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Speaker 4: I mean that him playing it was kind of almost

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Speaker 4: like a fubble Rooski.

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Speaker 1: It's just.

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Speaker 2: There was no throw option there. It was run all

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Speaker 1: Cut it back a little bit, got pushed back a

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Speaker 1: And that's all she wrote. It's a shame they had it.

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Speaker 2: They had to run to the right, called up and

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Speaker 2: the Steelers were granted the timeout. Just I guess as

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Speaker 2: the ball was snapped and uh uh so the Steelers

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Speaker 2: got a free look at that at what their play

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just I go back to just

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Speaker 3: big picture wise, this game just felt like this is

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Speaker 3: Ravens Steelers. The Ravens offense has been so good this year,

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Speaker 3: And it's and it's the in both teams. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the Steelers didn't score touchdown. The Steelers got had their

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Speaker 3: entire offense was Chris Bossel. He had eighteen points today

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Speaker 3: and they didn't score touchdown. It just felt like the

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Speaker 3: old adages, the cliches, these two hard news teams is

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Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of defense in this game. I

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Speaker 3: kind of felt like that was not gonna be the

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Speaker 3: that's nineteen ninety four or ninety four ninety.

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Speaker 4: Six year existence exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's old.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the old Ravens Steelers rivalry. I didn't expect

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Speaker 3: that to be the case in this game.

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Speaker 4: But it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a defensive slug fest where neither offense was

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Speaker 3: had a big play and they came up with the

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean this is what it looks like when

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Speaker 2: it's a one sided rivalry, right, Like the Steelers have

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Speaker 2: made the Ravens play to their kind of game, like

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Speaker 2: I said before too many times now, and they made

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Speaker 2: him play it again today, right. They took their offense,

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Speaker 2: got them off off the tracks. They got them, you know.

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Speaker 2: Marlon Humphrey said he was more emotional than he's ever

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Speaker 2: been in the game today. It was super chippy. They

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Speaker 2: were full on scrums breaking out. Patrick Queen spent the

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Speaker 2: whole game yap in it Ravens players, and credit to him.

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Speaker 1: He had a great game.

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Speaker 2: Let him in tackles, had a huge force fumble like

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Speaker 2: the Steelers. They forced the Ravens into the worst version

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Speaker 2: of themselves than they play, and it's going to be

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Speaker 2: hard for the Ravens to get where they want to

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Speaker 2: go unless they fix that.

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Speaker 1: They they got to get over that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Lamar made an interesting point, and you know, broadly

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Speaker 3: speaking and feeling like this team has beaten itselves in

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Speaker 3: some really big games and moments of situations, and he said,

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Speaker 3: he goes back to the AFC Championship game last year

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Speaker 3: against Chiefs, goes back to the season opener against the Chiefs,

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Speaker 3: the Raiders, the Browns again today, basically feeling like this

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Speaker 3: team when they lose, they beat themselves, and how do

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Speaker 3: you avoid that. I'd think that that's kind of a

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Speaker 3: complicated answer, Like I don't think there's one fix for

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Speaker 3: how do you not beat yourself? And I don't I

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Speaker 3: think it's more technical than it is emotional thing.

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Speaker 2: In part, you beat yourself when you're getting beat, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean the Steelers defense is beating them. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: that's when you get holding penalties and you get some

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Speaker 1: When you get beat you beat yourselves.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, there's validity to that there's literity to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So now are the things that can clean up?

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's some like you know, Pat McCarey wandering up

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a tough loss.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, six or six including some long ones too, over fifty.

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Well, he missed forty seven and fifty and then he

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Speaker 3: I thought that was really big for him come back,

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Speaker 3: He talked about it from a technical standpoint and said,

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Speaker 2: Not a swing standpoint, but just where he was Basically,

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Speaker 2: he's like, they keep going left, so I'm going to

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Speaker 4: That's what he did.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's like it's weird because he's basically like, they

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Speaker 1: A year again, it just keeps going left.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to aim for the right, and he's sat

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Speaker 2: Right. I mean, let's not kid ourselves, like Justin Tucker,

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Speaker 1: And yes, he said, I'm confident.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna make every kick from here on out, But

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's probably truth in that.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to say that, right, He's gonna say,

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Speaker 2: You have to be you have to be and you

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Speaker 2: one at a time. That's what That's what it's made him,

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Speaker 2: And like, can he pull out of this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? He can.

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Speaker 2: I don't think like Justin Tucker is you know, broken,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it just comes down to the fact

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Speaker 4: You can drill that. That has changed.

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Speaker 2: I think in shorter yards just yeah, if you're looking

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Speaker 4: And so I do think that, Like I'll be honest,

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Speaker 3: If if Tucker had lined up for a game winner,

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Speaker 3: final thoughts on this game. You're listening to the Ravens

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Speaker 3: Ravens DraftKings Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. So this defense

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Speaker 3: had the best, their best game of the season. They

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Speaker 3: bringing a lot of heat on Russell Wilson, lib By A. Dafeoway,

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Speaker 3: who had three sacks, should have had a fourth on

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Speaker 3: had a day and it's disappointing that the Raves aren't

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Speaker 3: they took a half.

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Speaker 2: Sack away from Oway. He got it on the statue here.

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Speaker 2: They got him with two and a half. Steve a

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Speaker 3: Initially, that's cool, should have had four, and he just

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Speaker 1: That is cold.

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Speaker 4: So it goes I guess two and a half.

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Speaker 3: But disappointing to have that kind of showing for the

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Speaker 3: it's positive that the defense did have a good game.

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Speaker 1: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: It's just frustrating that, like the Ravens have really only

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Speaker 1: But they haven't done it right now.

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Speaker 2: The good news is, like the offense has really been

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Speaker 2: It's The great news is like, defensively, it's been a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Rokwon had a hamstring injury. Did not return. No

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Speaker 3: And then also I like by this soft from Tredevious White,

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Speaker 2: Yep, definitely, Ravens fall to seven and four. They have

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Speaker 1: Game here against the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Ravens are still in good position when it comes to

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Speaker 2: Still time, still plenty of times. So this one stings,

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Speaker 2: But Ravens fans will be bound. We'll be back with

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