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Speaker 1: This week we're gonna do a career question chiw So, Mandy,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna read it. Let's fee. Okay, this is from TJ.

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Speaker 1: They didn't say we can't use her name, So hey,

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Speaker 1: Mandy and Tiffany. I recently built up the courage to

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Speaker 1: To my delight, she agreed. I was planning on using

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Speaker 1: keep killing it on the show warmly. Tj oh, TJ

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Speaker 2: It's like we're opportunity and luck meet. You didn't know

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Speaker 2: But because it's you, you're like being a bit more

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Speaker 2: Yes, do you do it like this, Tiffany? Or do

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sorry to your hand. It's just your sorry

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Speaker 2: I don't know that hand.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,