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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, August sixth, two thousand eighteen, Season fourteen,
Speaker 1: episode number twenty two. Welcome to another edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from Oxnard, California. It is a sunny Monday, it
Speaker 1: is whis just over half the time we're gonna spend
Speaker 1: out here. We're about halfway done before we're heading back home.
Speaker 1: We'll finish up camp next Friday, August seventeenth. I won't
Speaker 1: be heading back to the Star. And just so you
Speaker 1: guys know, there's gonna be a little bit of a
Speaker 1: difference in schedule this week and uh and some of
Speaker 1: next week because we'll have the game this week. We'll
Speaker 1: be traveling to San Francisco for that. UM, so just
Speaker 1: know um that this week you'll have to check the
Speaker 1: schedule on the website to know when the shows are
Speaker 1: going to happen. Because they won't be every day. Definitely
Speaker 1: have a show to day. Definitely have a show tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and then it'll get a little wonky here for the
Speaker 1: rest of the week. All Right, how's everybody doing some
Speaker 1: more on the show tomorrow. I'm not on the show tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm not on whatever show might happen Wednesday, I'm not
Speaker 1: on whatever show might happen Friday, not on any shows Monday.
Speaker 1: Then I won't be on any shows on Tuesday. So
Speaker 1: you're just going back. You're going back on your off
Speaker 1: season grind, is what you're saying. Pretty much. I got
Speaker 1: like a lot of meetings and stuff coming up here,
Speaker 1: so it will be you guys will be rolling. And
Speaker 1: that's why that prepare. You prepare them even when they
Speaker 1: don't know. They're preparing for for what the future may.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That's what we do, baby, what we do.
Speaker 1: All right. So uh, let's let's get into this and
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Yesterday Cowboys had a
Speaker 1: Blue White scrimmage. And for those to you guys that
Speaker 1: didn't see the scrimmage live, you gotta go back and
Speaker 1: watch it. I actually went back last night and I
Speaker 1: saw it live. But I went back and watched the
Speaker 1: broadcast of it that the team did, and it was
Speaker 1: really really good stuff, not just watching as much as
Speaker 1: it was just the information that you guys were putting down.
Speaker 1: Of course, Dave and Nick Ron and we had Brian
Speaker 1: and Nate and Rob and Lindsay were giving sideline reports
Speaker 1: and they had interviews with different people that are that
Speaker 1: are part of the executive team of the Cowboys UM
Speaker 1: and then obviously you got to see the practice and
Speaker 1: the scrimmage, so really really great stuff. If you have
Speaker 1: a connected TV device, that's the best way to do it,
Speaker 1: right there on your television where you can watch it,
Speaker 1: or you can go to our website or mobile app
Speaker 1: to be able to watch it as well. But let's
Speaker 1: talk about that. I want to go down the line
Speaker 1: and I want each to you to give me an
Speaker 1: observed observation that you got that or that you had
Speaker 1: during that time that you think would be interesting to share.
Speaker 1: Let's start with you Nick. Well, I hate the words scrimmage,
Speaker 1: so maybe we would stop calling it that, but they're
Speaker 1: still gonna call like they have for the last thirty
Speaker 1: forty years. But was there any tackles out there? Yeah? There,
Speaker 1: I didn't see any tackle. There was a couple Zeke,
Speaker 1: give him the ball. He's good. He's good. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I don't care if they're tackling or two hand touch
Speaker 1: or pulling flags or whatever. He was gonna have a
Speaker 1: few big, really big plays in there. That's how big.
Speaker 1: That's how open some of the blocking was, that's how
Speaker 1: much he was out in space. I know there were
Speaker 1: some other players that really had some standout things, but
Speaker 1: I think we saw again that when he's on the
Speaker 1: field and he's running the ball, how effective he's going
Speaker 1: to be. And he's gonna make number four look better,
Speaker 1: which is needed right now for him to make him
Speaker 1: look better, make that whole offense look better. But it
Speaker 1: starts with Zeke. I thought he did a nice job yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'm botter, no sorry, I just no go ahead. No.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that you mentioned the other
Speaker 1: day and you pointed it out yesterday again was when
Speaker 1: the defender comes running up to seek and basically tops
Speaker 1: it him and he's like, oh, bacle, you down, And
Speaker 1: you know that's that's not gonna stop seeking. He's gonna
Speaker 1: get those extra yards if not finished the run completely.
Speaker 1: So that's always something to keep in mind and to
Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, sometimes the defense is not necessarily as
Speaker 1: great as we think it is, just because they're not
Speaker 1: able to go full on with it, or vice versa.
Speaker 1: The offense is not us great certain players, of course.
Speaker 1: But anyways, one of the things, Dan Bailey didn't miss
Speaker 1: anything yesterday. That was good, so good a good day
Speaker 1: for Dan Bailey. Aside from that, one of the things
Speaker 1: I noticed Rico and I always talk about him. I
Speaker 1: mentioned him yesterday. He has been playing well, and you
Speaker 1: gotta give him that. He makes those catches, and I
Speaker 1: have I believe in the preseason game he's gonna make
Speaker 1: certain catches, probably get a few touchdowns, and then everyone's
Speaker 1: gonna get on the Rico hype train again and then
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we got this awesome tight end X
Speaker 1: basketball player blah blah blah. But I don't know. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens there and if the Cowboys finally do
Speaker 1: decide to utilize him. But as of right now, he's
Speaker 1: looking good at certain times. I can't help but share
Speaker 1: this story, even though Nick already touched on Zeke, but
Speaker 1: it is it is hard to gauge a running back
Speaker 1: in these practices when a defender. All he has to
Speaker 1: do is shove him to end the play, which is
Speaker 1: why it was so impressive. Zeke scored from twenty yards
Speaker 1: out yesterday in a non tackle practice. I mean that
Speaker 1: think about but think about what that means. Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: didn't touch him until he was on the one yard
Speaker 1: line from the twenty I mean against in the NFL.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean, he looks awesome out there. He
Speaker 1: actually had a couple over there in the in the
Speaker 1: far and zone over here, he had a couple runs
Speaker 1: that were back to back. Where he was he I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was that. He may have been
Speaker 1: a little bit closer that, but on both the back
Speaker 1: to back runs he got right down to to the
Speaker 1: end zone without anybody test he put the ball across
Speaker 1: at both times. Is that the play? Yeah? And there
Speaker 1: was another one right after that one, same thing, right.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Um, Tavon Austin, he I mean, he
Speaker 1: he scares me because I don't sure a guy that
Speaker 1: can jump. It's true, You're right, not me. I was
Speaker 1: about to say, you're probably talking about David probably talking
Speaker 1: about a sixteen inch vertical for me, But Avon's is
Speaker 1: a little better. Really, yeah, I can go hire that. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of falling in love with this guy and
Speaker 1: having it not pan out like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know people, I would like to think they they
Speaker 1: weigh our words at least somewhat heavily, like we're not
Speaker 1: lying to you. This guy looks awesome out here, but
Speaker 1: I want to see it translates so bad because he's
Speaker 1: doing everything. Like the first play of red zone with
Speaker 1: the first team, he took an end a round, he
Speaker 1: ran out of space on the sideline and cut it back,
Speaker 1: sort of got Taco Charlton hurting the process, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: He was fine, caught it up field, picked up like
Speaker 1: twelve yards. Uh. Five minutes later he caught an inside
Speaker 1: I think on Byron Jones, I don't remember. And then
Speaker 1: two minutes after that with the second team, he went downfield.
Speaker 1: And that's what Amber's talking about. He's skied over char
Speaker 1: Various Ward and literally took the ball off his helmet
Speaker 1: and scored a touchdown. And that was from the exposition.
Speaker 1: He did it on the outside downfield, twenty yards downfield.
Speaker 1: He did a little bit of everything, and that's not
Speaker 1: even including special teams. Is. I mean, I'm excited about
Speaker 1: what he might be. I just hope it translates to
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, you know what scares me is I
Speaker 1: look at him out here and it's kind of what
Speaker 1: you're saying. I look at him out here, and he
Speaker 1: looks so good out here, and then I keep in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind thinking, why hasn't he become
Speaker 1: that great receiver with the Rams, Like he's always obviously
Speaker 1: had this ability, he's always been fast, extremely fast. Why
Speaker 1: hasn't it been better? Why hasn't his career been better?
Speaker 1: And so that's what keeps me kind of at arms link.
Speaker 1: Absolutely just don't know. I just don't know. But my
Speaker 1: hope is that for a lot of those years he
Speaker 1: didn't really probably have the greatest quarter back, you know,
Speaker 1: playing with him. The Rams just now got to the
Speaker 1: point where you could say they got a pretty good quarterback.
Speaker 1: So they had some years there where you couldn't really
Speaker 1: trust that. But all in all, that's the part that
Speaker 1: makes you a little nervous. But you gotta like what
Speaker 1: you're seeing so far as long as your expectations aren't,
Speaker 1: you know, number seventh overall pick that. That's what I
Speaker 1: think got him in trouble there with the rams, and rightfully,
Speaker 1: so you draft the guy that high. He's got to
Speaker 1: be a dynamic, you know, catalytic player every single time.
Speaker 1: And he you know, he's banged up something, but he
Speaker 1: comes over here. And if he can be this role player,
Speaker 1: gadget type guy that gets the ball, he goes down
Speaker 1: the field, some side, decide some pump and return some
Speaker 1: and you're not counting on him to just absolutely be
Speaker 1: the savior of your offense or special teams, then I
Speaker 1: think you got a really good role player. We see
Speaker 1: it a lot in the NBA, where you see a
Speaker 1: guy drafted eighth overall. He's not good enough to do that.
Speaker 1: He goes to another team. He's a bust. He goes
Speaker 1: with another team, he's the sixth man, seventh man off
Speaker 1: the bench. He's a really good role player. That's where
Speaker 1: he should have been along, But the first team had
Speaker 1: to justify drafting him that way and playing him that way.
Speaker 1: If he's your third best player, you're great the second round.
Speaker 1: If he is the best player you got in your offense,
Speaker 1: you're probably in a little bit of trouble. He reminds
Speaker 1: me a lot of Reggie Bush from my days as
Speaker 1: a Saints fan. Just yeah, I mean which you know
Speaker 1: Reggie obviously he was a running back. He took the ball,
Speaker 1: he took handoffs a lot more. But for where he
Speaker 1: was drafted, he's a disappointing player. He's the number two
Speaker 1: overall pick. He was a nice compliment to that offense
Speaker 1: and had a very nice career in a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways. And that's why his rookie year was a
Speaker 1: year that impressed everybody because he wasn't counted on to
Speaker 1: be the man, but he made some plays that were
Speaker 1: phenomenal for them. He was a crucial piece of the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl team. He just wasn't the guy. Leonard Davis.
Speaker 1: Leonard Davis was a guy that Cowboy fans will remember.
Speaker 1: Number two overall pick for the Raiders, no Cardinals, sorry
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals, and drafted you know, to play left
Speaker 1: tackle because he's you know, he got to take him,
Speaker 1: you know, that big guy. And he wasn't the tackle.
Speaker 1: He was a guard. He goes to the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: free agency, made three Pro Bowls. You know, so it
Speaker 1: sometimes it takes a second stop to kind of figure
Speaker 1: out exactly what your role is and maybe this is
Speaker 1: it for him. I like the fact that we saw
Speaker 1: him down the field. You saw him go east west,
Speaker 1: and from what I hear from talking to the special
Speaker 1: team's coach Keith O'Quinn, he's like, we don't need to
Speaker 1: see him in the punt return in the preseason. We
Speaker 1: know what he's gonna do. Fourteen is gonna be back there,
Speaker 1: Lance Lenoir. He's gonna be hold your breath on that one.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be doing the punt return duties for a
Speaker 1: while and then what Yeah, well, I mean he's that's
Speaker 1: not his thing. I mean, that's not his forte. He's
Speaker 1: doing great things the other receiver, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he struggled a little bit punt return. Let's see if
Speaker 1: he's better this year. I'm glad you brought that name
Speaker 1: because those were there were a couple names that you
Speaker 1: guys obviously didn't mention you he mentioned the names you did.
Speaker 1: But I do want to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: what Lance Lenore. He made an outstanding catch yesterday. I
Speaker 1: thought he had a pretty good day. And then talk
Speaker 1: about the defense, because it started off the offense was
Speaker 1: just humming there at the beginning of the of the practice.
Speaker 1: By the time you got about midway through and the
Speaker 1: later part the defense started coming on. They got several interceptions.
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown gotta pick talk about talk about those two,
Speaker 1: talk about Lancelore, and then talk about that defense, particularly
Speaker 1: the secondary, and how they performed in the second half
Speaker 1: of practice. Would you say I didn't hear what you said.
Speaker 1: I was just I just basically say, once Chad got
Speaker 1: in there on offense, you know that defense started picking up. Well,
Speaker 1: it's the second team offensive line. I mean it's the
Speaker 1: second team offense. I mean great offensive line, very below average.
Speaker 1: I guess that you would say, I mean none we
Speaker 1: talked about yesterday, None of these offensive linemen. Really you think, oh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna make it. I mean, Looney's pretty good. He
Speaker 1: actually got worked with the first team because Frederick was
Speaker 1: being held out. So it's just a huge drop off,
Speaker 1: of course it is. I mean, you can't draft all
Speaker 1: these first round linemen and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: so I think that the second round is good. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the defense picked it up. Sorry, oh they didn't. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I said on our on the
Speaker 1: TV broadcast yesterday, like it's just it's fallen into place
Speaker 1: for Lenore, like a game of you know, like the
Speaker 1: way tetris lines up when you're good at Tetris, Like
Speaker 1: it's all just fallen into place. Um, he made an
Speaker 1: outstanding catch on a fade route in the back corner
Speaker 1: of the end zone. He just keeps doing I mean,
Speaker 1: he does all the little stuff right, but then he
Speaker 1: usually makes an eyecatching play at least once per practice. Um,
Speaker 1: it's early. I mean we haven't played a game, and
Speaker 1: we know he had his struggles in the games last year.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to see what it's like when
Speaker 1: Noah Brown comes back and there's gonna be some competition
Speaker 1: from other guys. That's the problem is it's so competitive
Speaker 1: and there's so few spots. I feel really good about
Speaker 1: the work that he's done, but he's I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got to keep it up. He just bores me. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, really yeah, because he doesn't
Speaker 1: you know what, because he doesn't do anything like one
Speaker 1: thing like outstanding it to me, which which catches every
Speaker 1: freaking thing they throw at him. It seems like I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Nick on this one. It's like I see
Speaker 1: him being a great player doing like preseason games, but
Speaker 1: then regular season comes I'm just like, that's nothing against him.
Speaker 1: That's nothing against him. It's probably more on me. I
Speaker 1: just like, you know, and you see you want to
Speaker 1: oh you run too four, two five, or he's sixty
Speaker 1: three or he's Noah Brown and he's like really strong,
Speaker 1: he's the best blocker. I don't see Lance Lenora as
Speaker 1: the best or even the top one or two of
Speaker 1: any of the of the skill sets other than show
Speaker 1: up at work every single day in the off season
Speaker 1: and catch every pass. I mean he did do that,
Speaker 1: which is why he's probably in this boat right now.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's probably what Dak Prescott is looking for.
Speaker 1: Like we roll our eyes at you know, like after practice,
Speaker 1: like the guys lie on the ground and catch the
Speaker 1: ball and you're like, all right, are you are you
Speaker 1: do really working at this? Are you doing this for show?
Speaker 1: And you know he's there every day during the off season,
Speaker 1: like but you see it have results. Case in point,
Speaker 1: like maybe one of my favorite plays a training camp
Speaker 1: last week. He runs a dig route. He literally slipped
Speaker 1: and fell fell on his butt, got up just enough
Speaker 1: to pick his arms up. The ball was already coming
Speaker 1: at him and he caught it from his belt butt base. Basically,
Speaker 1: it was a fantastic I mean it was only an
Speaker 1: eight yard game, but it's just that's that's the result
Speaker 1: of working every single day of the offseason. And no,
Speaker 1: you're I mean, he's not the biggest he doesn't make
Speaker 1: the most highlight plays, but he can play every position
Speaker 1: in the offense. And I haven't seen him drop a
Speaker 1: ball since we got out here. I think, to me,
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, if Lance Lenore sitting there, like,
Speaker 1: you know what, we can keep Lenore. I just have
Speaker 1: this feeling, and maybe I'm wrong. They just have this
Speaker 1: feeling that of all the guys that are going to
Speaker 1: get cut on that Saturday of receivers, I just feel
Speaker 1: like there's gonna be a lot of them better than him.
Speaker 1: They won't know the offense. So that I'll say that Butler,
Speaker 1: every every single year we fall for a guy who
Speaker 1: we're like, there's no way he gets through waivers, there's
Speaker 1: just no way, and then they cut him and he
Speaker 1: gets through waivers. Not saying it's not possible, like he
Speaker 1: could be a great practice squad addition, but to my point,
Speaker 1: like when it comes time for that conversation, yeah I can,
Speaker 1: I can easily imagine a conversation where Dak Prescott is like, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: that guy's more talented, Like, I trust this guy. He
Speaker 1: can do everything thing we need him to do in
Speaker 1: the offense, and I know where he's gonna be and
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna catch it when I throw it
Speaker 1: to him. That is the definition of Dak. Absolutely, that's it,
Speaker 1: and that's I trust fourteen to be where I need
Speaker 1: him to be. I didn't always trust all of the
Speaker 1: other guys to be exactly where I need him to be,
Speaker 1: not where the play needs to be, is where I
Speaker 1: need him to be. I think I've said this before
Speaker 1: already on this show, but I really think if Lanceor
Speaker 1: makes this team, it's gonna tell us a lot about
Speaker 1: the sway that Dak has. I just think it means
Speaker 1: that he's got some pull in that room, because that's
Speaker 1: the main reason to keep him is because he works
Speaker 1: well with that and he catches the ball. If the
Speaker 1: offense is built around running the ball and using the
Speaker 1: passing game as necessary, it is important to have receiving
Speaker 1: threats that are able to get open to catch that
Speaker 1: third and sixth ball and be reliably get open catch
Speaker 1: it right. And so that's where a guy like Lancelor
Speaker 1: makes a ton more sense than even a guy, say
Speaker 1: like Dez Bryant, who is can make those spectacular plays,
Speaker 1: but as we saw last year, may not be as consistently,
Speaker 1: it may not sistantly catch that slant route and just
Speaker 1: to get you the first nun, I'm not there yet.
Speaker 1: With no no no no, no, no no no, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say Lanceloor is better than him. I'm
Speaker 1: saying the point is, if you think about the philosophy
Speaker 1: and how the team is progressing at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: I think they've made the decision we prefer to have
Speaker 1: those less flashy, less and I don't even want to
Speaker 1: say less talented, but guys that may not be able
Speaker 1: to make some of those spectacular plays if they can
Speaker 1: be just consistently where they're supposed to be and catch
Speaker 1: the ball in those in those those critical downs, like,
Speaker 1: that's what I think they're looking. Let's go. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to Rico really quick, and Amber's point about how
Speaker 1: well he's looking. He's looking. He's doing a nice job
Speaker 1: in the red zone. He plays the game like a
Speaker 1: basketball player, especially in the red zone. He kind of
Speaker 1: finds just like you would if you were posting up.
Speaker 1: You know, you use that big body, you look for
Speaker 1: the holes, you find it, and you you, you know,
Speaker 1: get that your frame ready to make the catch. Can
Speaker 1: they get the air to the red zone with him?
Speaker 1: Is the question? Can he be a tied end that
Speaker 1: can help them in between the twenties at where you
Speaker 1: know it's third and four at midfield? Can he make
Speaker 1: those necessary blocks and plays like that down in the
Speaker 1: red zone he could be a weapon? Is that worthy
Speaker 1: enough to just have him on the roster just for
Speaker 1: those type of things? You know, yes, he can do
Speaker 1: well right there, but can he be in every down
Speaker 1: type of tight end to justify his spot? Well, the
Speaker 1: one thing I will say about that is right now,
Speaker 1: I don't think the area where you would say he's
Speaker 1: deficient in blocking, there aren't a lot of other guys
Speaker 1: here at the tight end position who do it well.
Speaker 1: Not here, so yeah. But so my point is when
Speaker 1: you start comparing him, I think you're going to be
Speaker 1: comparing these guys and saying, Okay, who's best at catching passes,
Speaker 1: who's best in the red zone, who's best at blocking?
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna fit favorably in a lot of
Speaker 1: those categories. Blocking may not be it, but I don't
Speaker 1: know that there are a lot of other guys who do.
Speaker 1: What if we don't make him in every down tight end? Like,
Speaker 1: what if would it be possible to just carve out
Speaker 1: a meaningful enough role for Rico on special teams to
Speaker 1: where he can be useful in that regard and then
Speaker 1: he only comes in the game once you get to,
Speaker 1: like the twenty five yard line. I'm all in on that.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like anything Jason Garrett would ever entertain.
Speaker 1: But unless, of course, you don't have a guy like
Speaker 1: Jason Witten, you're having the peace feel it. Yeah, tell
Speaker 1: tell me that if somebody's kicking a fifty four yard
Speaker 1: field goal that he can't stand three steps behind the
Speaker 1: nose tackle one two three jump, That is gonna be
Speaker 1: a very tough That's gonna be a tough roadblock for
Speaker 1: any kick. And he can jump. He's tall, he's wide,
Speaker 1: and he can jump. He will block a couple of
Speaker 1: kicks if they put him there. He will. I mean
Speaker 1: that that that right, there is a we especially long kicks.
Speaker 1: Whit it has to be a little more lovely. Yeah, absolutely, right, now,
Speaker 1: it's easy for me to not put Rico on a
Speaker 1: fifty three man projection right now. But if he plays
Speaker 1: like he did in the preseason again, yeah, and especially
Speaker 1: like based on you know, most you know, these Titans
Speaker 1: haven't been that impressive for the most part, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard to justify it. Even he might be the
Speaker 1: worst blocker in the world, but if he once again
Speaker 1: proves he can do that, it's hard to say, like, well,
Speaker 1: these guys aren't good blockers either, but we're keeping them
Speaker 1: over you well, I mean, it's just the truth. All right.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. When we come back, We're
Speaker 1: going to talk about Dak Prescott yesterday in practice. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a pretty good practice for him, and
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you guys have to say
Speaker 1: about that. And we're gonna talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about just overall weird Dak is as far as it's
Speaker 1: a development, And we'll do that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: It's the second segment of The Break Live from Oxnard
Speaker 1: California's training camp, and we're going to talk about Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. Yesterday when we were
Speaker 1: on our show, I think it was yesterday. Was yesterday,
Speaker 1: is either yesterday or Friday. I made mention of the
Speaker 1: fact that I hadn't really seen a throw yet during
Speaker 1: this camp that just wowed me from Dak Prescott. Then
Speaker 1: yesterday on Q he has several of them. I thought
Speaker 1: yesterday there were a few throws he made here in
Speaker 1: the end zone that to me were pinpoint accurate. I
Speaker 1: know one particularly to Jeff Swayne. Swayin was covered really
Speaker 1: well and he put the ball right where it needed
Speaker 1: to be for Swain to make the catch and getting
Speaker 1: the end zone, and I was I said immediately, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of throw that I wanted to see
Speaker 1: that I hadn't necessarily seen a lot of. And it
Speaker 1: may also go to kind of what you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is a gamer when the lights come on,
Speaker 1: which yesterday there were a lot more cameras, a lot
Speaker 1: more people. Maybe that kind of sparked him a little bit.
Speaker 1: But what do you guys think just overall, what do
Speaker 1: you guys think of Dak's performance yesterday during the during
Speaker 1: the practice and scrimmage. I thought it was a nice
Speaker 1: little microcosm of what his campus looked like. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the throw to Swayin was great. H he had
Speaker 1: he made some really nice place He had a you
Speaker 1: know again, he had a throw on the run, where
Speaker 1: when he does that he almost always looks good. He
Speaker 1: telegraphed the ball to Cole Beasley that Anthony Brown returned
Speaker 1: for a pick six. The he had his second pick
Speaker 1: really was much less his fault, although you could argue
Speaker 1: it could have been more accurate. It was tipped by
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown and Jeff Heath in the clutch like he
Speaker 1: always does. He was on the run on that one too,
Speaker 1: which is a little bit like I noticed that he
Speaker 1: was on the run. He was trying to loft it
Speaker 1: down field and just didn't get it there. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, it was it was a
Speaker 1: nice little microcosm. He had some really nice throws. He
Speaker 1: had two interceptions. Uh, the offense looked good. The offense
Speaker 1: stalled out a little bit at times. He talked to
Speaker 1: the media afterwards and kind of said the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know, um, he's he's had some really good throws.
Speaker 1: He's had some throws he'd like back. He's trying to
Speaker 1: be more adventurous since it's a practice setting, which I encourage. Um,
Speaker 1: And so it's it hasn't been all perfect. It certainly
Speaker 1: hasn't been terrible by any stretch of the imagination. It's
Speaker 1: it's right in between. Would you think you always use
Speaker 1: that word by any stretch of the imagination every show,
Speaker 1: every show anyways. Um, you know what, my appreciation for
Speaker 1: the game and the throwing the ball has absolutely changed
Speaker 1: every since I picked up a football and try to
Speaker 1: throw him myself, so that as easy as it looks,
Speaker 1: it is not so just because I've been doing that
Speaker 1: for a couple of days and throwing the ball around yesterday,
Speaker 1: everything I saw was like, oh my god, that is
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. And that ball that you were talking about
Speaker 1: to Jeoff Swain, I was standing there and I saw
Speaker 1: the ball just coming right at me, like right in
Speaker 1: front of me, and I was just amazed, Like, had
Speaker 1: Jeoff not caught, that ball would have hit me right
Speaker 1: in the face because I was like hypnotized by it
Speaker 1: and how pretty it looked and how precise and how
Speaker 1: well it was turning around. So anyways, just to say yesterday,
Speaker 1: everything that I saw from Dak was pretty good. He
Speaker 1: had a few mistakes, but overall good. We say all
Speaker 1: the time that Dak like throwing people open is something
Speaker 1: he hasn't quite developed. He threw Swain open on that. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: But what makes me sorry, what makes me wonder though,
Speaker 1: it's like at times, you know, he this has been
Speaker 1: happening over when the old line is in there necessarily
Speaker 1: and he's throwing passes, how long it takes him sometimes
Speaker 1: to throw the make that throw? You know, like some
Speaker 1: of this guy's getting open, It doesn't really they don't
Speaker 1: get open that quickly. And it makes me wonder during
Speaker 1: the game, in an actual game, if that's gonna become
Speaker 1: an issue because you're not gonna have that much time
Speaker 1: as you go and run around. You know a good point.
Speaker 1: You're right about that, and I think that you have
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out what drill that is. Sometimes
Speaker 1: on those seven on sevens, when the linebacker sitting there,
Speaker 1: there's no offensive line, they know it's past all the way,
Speaker 1: they know he doesn't ever have to worry the linebacker
Speaker 1: is about maybe a faked Zeke draw play or anything
Speaker 1: like that. So I do think they have a little
Speaker 1: bit of advantage on some of those plays. So I'm
Speaker 1: okay with him holding it a little bit longer because
Speaker 1: that's when you put all eleven out there, that that's
Speaker 1: what you know. Things change. But you're right on these
Speaker 1: one on one drills. These guys run like a triple
Speaker 1: move down the field, cut back, cut, you know, slant here,
Speaker 1: then go deep, and I'm like, yeah, this will officiven.
Speaker 1: This offensive line is good, but not that good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. So you're right. But but as Dave's point
Speaker 1: earlier about Dak, I mean, this is the time. You know,
Speaker 1: practice is for that stuff. Practice is to force it
Speaker 1: in there. You know, if you get a pick, okay,
Speaker 1: you get a pick, your your practice rating is not
Speaker 1: gonna go down because there isn't and you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: in a game, maybe I don't do that right, But
Speaker 1: but if you forced the ball in to practice seven
Speaker 1: times to Jeff Slam and he caught six of them,
Speaker 1: that was what practices for. That helps you that this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna go make a play. At some point, somebody
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals realized Larry Fitzgerald's gonna go and catch
Speaker 1: the ball and I I can throw it to him
Speaker 1: as I can't throw it to this number thirteen guy
Speaker 1: over here. You know. So that's what practice is for.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I think it's a good point.
Speaker 1: Dak actually had a really you know, I just I
Speaker 1: remember this, Dak just had he had a nice quote, um,
Speaker 1: you know, talking to the media after practice that I
Speaker 1: think I figured out last year some of the throws
Speaker 1: I can make and some of the throw as I
Speaker 1: can't make in practice, and then obviously I learned some
Speaker 1: lessons in the season. At this point, it's about going
Speaker 1: out there and making the right throw in the right
Speaker 1: situation every time. Sometimes that means checking it down. Sometimes
Speaker 1: that means letting it rip, and I think that's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And this is a setting where you learn those types
Speaker 1: of things. On top of I mean, hey, to his point,
Speaker 1: it hurts way more when it happens in a game,
Speaker 1: as we saw, especially in the second half. Um. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but just sometimes you know, this whole thing is covered
Speaker 1: with you know, we put the scrimmage, which isn't even
Speaker 1: really a scrimmage. We put it live on the internet
Speaker 1: and like everyone's you know, watching it and then getting
Speaker 1: excited and I'm not saying that they shouldn't, But then
Speaker 1: then you got people charting plays and what his rating
Speaker 1: is and all that stuff, and and really it's still practice.
Speaker 1: It's still practice, and so it's easy to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: he threw a pick here or threw a touchdown here,
Speaker 1: but you know this, still there's a reason why the
Speaker 1: coaches call certain plays the way it is. I remember
Speaker 1: Parcels in the preseason. We used to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: third and eight from the thirty five yard line, he'd
Speaker 1: run a draw and like, well, you know why, because
Speaker 1: he wants to see his kicker kick a fifty five
Speaker 1: yard field goal. That's why, you know, you want to
Speaker 1: see certain situations. So all right, so let's let's take
Speaker 1: the conversation a little bit deeper on Dak. I've I've
Speaker 1: just noticed over the last couple days, and this is again,
Speaker 1: Twitter can never be the baseline because we know on
Speaker 1: Twitter everybody has an opinion and typically the most vocal
Speaker 1: are not in always the representative of what most people think.
Speaker 1: But there's been kind of this, I since kind of
Speaker 1: this general thought that Dak isn't that that Dak isn't
Speaker 1: going to be what the Cowboys want him to be
Speaker 1: for his career. Take that as you may, but it
Speaker 1: did bring up the question for me of do we
Speaker 1: think that Dak at this point is developmentally where he
Speaker 1: should be entering his third year. We know he had
Speaker 1: the phenomenal first year. Last year wasn't what he would
Speaker 1: have wanted it to be. There were some good things
Speaker 1: and some bad things that we've seen throughout his career,
Speaker 1: but it's only been two years of playing. Do you
Speaker 1: think right now developmentally he's where he should be or
Speaker 1: do you think he's below that or above that? Uh,
Speaker 1: Dak is absolutely where he's supposed to be or maybe
Speaker 1: better than that. And to really to to take it
Speaker 1: all into you have to put it all in context,
Speaker 1: like the whole thing. He's not as well developed, like
Speaker 1: I mean, Carson Wentz is the perfect person to put
Speaker 1: him against, and fittingly so because he's the quarterback of
Speaker 1: their biggest rival. But one of those guys was the
Speaker 1: number two overall pick in the draft, and one was
Speaker 1: one thirty five. He's a fourth round pick. Regardless of
Speaker 1: how much he surprised everyone, he was still a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick for a reason which his skills weren't what
Speaker 1: the second round pick. The second pick was he was
Speaker 1: not accurate. He was coming from a college system that
Speaker 1: doesn't translate well to the pros. Uh, he he had deficiencies.
Speaker 1: Otherwise he would have been picked where Carson Wentz was picked.
Speaker 1: That's the way that it's it's not. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know there are crazy stories in the in the draft
Speaker 1: every year, and I think Dak is he already has
Speaker 1: but will continue to outplay his draft slot. But these
Speaker 1: people know what they're doing. Dak would have been talked
Speaker 1: about as a top ten prospect if he had that
Speaker 1: type of skill set. So in two years you've seen
Speaker 1: them come to light. You mean, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: sugarcoat it. He's got problems with downfield accuracy, that's a thing,
Speaker 1: but it's the other things he does well, intangibles as
Speaker 1: well as mechanics that lead to him to be successful,
Speaker 1: particularly when he's put into an offense like this. I
Speaker 1: think he's absolutely fine. Well, let's answer the question of
Speaker 1: what you're really asking or the next one, and then
Speaker 1: because because you're right, I mean surprised, we all are
Speaker 1: surprised when he was drafted to say, oh, he was
Speaker 1: gonna be Rookie of the Year. And he's gonna be
Speaker 1: you know, start all this, you know every game pretty much.
Speaker 1: But now the questions different. You give him one hundred million,
Speaker 1: you give him one hundred and fifty million, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Can you do that? Can you give him this money?
Speaker 1: Because we said it yesterday, We've said it for a while.
Speaker 1: When Zeke's out there, man, they can be really good.
Speaker 1: And he's really good when it's just him. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And those great quarterbacks. And I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of good quarterbacks that get a lot of money, so
Speaker 1: you don't have to you know, I get that, But
Speaker 1: the great ones, they're the ones to make it the
Speaker 1: other guys better, not the other way around. But how
Speaker 1: many of those guys were developmentally better than dak Is
Speaker 1: entering their third season in the NFL. I think that's
Speaker 1: the point I'm getting to, more than anything else is
Speaker 1: is when you look at the at the at the
Speaker 1: timeline of a quarterback from start to finish typically, and
Speaker 1: let's talk about the good ones, to talk about the
Speaker 1: great ones. Right, is he on chart to be able
Speaker 1: to be one of those guys or do you think
Speaker 1: he's below? This is game three of a series they
Speaker 1: won Game one easily they got. They lost a close
Speaker 1: one in Game two. Now this is Game three. This
Speaker 1: is like an NBA series right now. I know I
Speaker 1: keep making basketball references, but I'm just saying the jury's out.
Speaker 1: The jury's out because last year the defensive coordinators got
Speaker 1: the upper hand on him. Now he'll see if he
Speaker 1: can come back. So yeah, his development was really good
Speaker 1: and then they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's figure let's
Speaker 1: figure that out. And it all started with Minnesota if
Speaker 1: you really think about it, his rookie years, Zimmer and
Speaker 1: those guys. That's when it all started to change. It
Speaker 1: said beat me over the top, which they did that game.
Speaker 1: Des got a big play in there, yep. But I
Speaker 1: think it was like, do it again, and do it again,
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna if that's all we're gonna give you,
Speaker 1: and you can do it all game long. Yeah there.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is precedent for quarterbacks getting that type
Speaker 1: of money at this stage in their career. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: got a nice contract extension before he had a lot
Speaker 1: of experience starting, just because he spent so much time
Speaker 1: on the bench. He was also a first round pick, uh,
Speaker 1: and that's I think Honestly, that's where this schism in
Speaker 1: the opinion of Dak Prescott starts, is that he took
Speaker 1: the job of a polished veteran quarterback who maybe he's
Speaker 1: not as good as Aaron Rodgers, but he had a
Speaker 1: comparable game. He's that type of quarterback who can shoulder
Speaker 1: the load and make a team relevant regardless of how
Speaker 1: much talent is around him. News flash, he's not that quarterback.
Speaker 1: He might be one day, he's not. And that's again
Speaker 1: there are basically, I think there are people who understand
Speaker 1: that and people who basically feel you took Tony's job.
Speaker 1: You need to be Tony right now and now you're
Speaker 1: the quarterback of the Cowboys. I don't have time for
Speaker 1: you to develop. And I don't buy that because again,
Speaker 1: you know, I always go back to Russell Wilson. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to turn into Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: because I probably would have voted for him to win
Speaker 1: MVP last year. I don't know if Dak will ever
Speaker 1: be that, but the trajectory is similar. Russell Wilson did
Speaker 1: not do everything himself for the first two plus years
Speaker 1: of his career. Honestly, when they won their Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: He was. He was good, but he was not the
Speaker 1: thing that he was not the straw that stirred that
Speaker 1: drink you talk about maybe the best quarterback in the
Speaker 1: history of the NFL, Tom Brady, it was the same thing.
Speaker 1: Like when they were winning early on, that was all
Speaker 1: about the fact that they could run the ball and
Speaker 1: they had a great defense. Like that was how they played.
Speaker 1: And he didn't have to make a lot of great
Speaker 1: throws because they had those other two things and they
Speaker 1: were okay with punning, Like that's okay, But like Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: like he's not good enough right now to carry that team,
Speaker 1: you know, to where they want to go. Well, it
Speaker 1: maybe not. It's similar to Tony I mean, he's good
Speaker 1: enough with the talent they have he made makes them competitive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he does make him competitive. He needs some help, just
Speaker 1: like he needs an outstanding defense or a good running
Speaker 1: game or both and all that stuff. And that's most
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are the same way. There's only really a couple
Speaker 1: that you can just kind of give them whatever and
Speaker 1: then they're like, oh, James Jones, like oh he's great,
Speaker 1: and those are your all time great quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: history of the league, and The reality is you can't
Speaker 1: afford to be that picky because guess what, you don't
Speaker 1: want to go back to the days when you got
Speaker 1: Quincy Carter and Chad Hudginson, when you got a quarterback.
Speaker 1: It was the reason why I thought Washington was so
Speaker 1: the whole situation in Washington is weird. If you have
Speaker 1: a quarterback that, even though he's not great. Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: wasn't great. But when you find a quarterback that's pretty good,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just have to develop them and keep working
Speaker 1: with them because you don't want to go back to
Speaker 1: not having a quarterback at all, and then you're in
Speaker 1: that bottom part of the league that has no shot
Speaker 1: at winning at all, which and the other thing I
Speaker 1: think is worth talking about it is, Yeah, a decision's
Speaker 1: coming on what to do with Dak in terms of money.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that the Cowboys are going to have
Speaker 1: to set the quarterback market to keep him, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know that's again too many things are black and white.
Speaker 1: There's gray area there. If Dak has a solid season
Speaker 1: but they don't win the Super Bowl, you could sign
Speaker 1: him to a new deal that will put him in
Speaker 1: a respectable territory fairly compensate him the same thing. The
Speaker 1: Seahawks did not set the market with Russell Wilson after
Speaker 1: they won a Super Bowl. They paid him fairly for
Speaker 1: a third round pick who had led them to a championship.
Speaker 1: You can pay Dak without completely ruining your cap, like
Speaker 1: you can do both of those things. This is something
Speaker 1: that helps Dak. And I know I've thrown out this
Speaker 1: that before. The top five quarterbacks in the NFL in
Speaker 1: terms of salary right now, only one of them has
Speaker 1: won a playoff game. So of the four of the five,
Speaker 1: and three of them actually have a losing record, So
Speaker 1: you can, I mean, guys can make money. And that
Speaker 1: goes back to what I was saying about when you
Speaker 1: get one is pretty good. Sometimes you find you gotta
Speaker 1: keep it and you gotta pay market rate to keep
Speaker 1: him because you can't go back to not having. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my whole car. Derek Carr, Garoppoloe and those guys that
Speaker 1: I think you're asking this question a little too early.
Speaker 1: It's too soon to know. We know that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are one hundred percent invested on Dak Prescott and they've
Speaker 1: done anything everything they can do to cater to him
Speaker 1: and his necessities. Now, we know that Dak, given the
Speaker 1: time that he's been here, he's not necessarily a great
Speaker 1: practice guy. He hasn't been, and every time he goes
Speaker 1: into a game is absolutely different than what we see
Speaker 1: at practice this year, here, at training camp, everything I've seen,
Speaker 1: if he's a lot better than that then what we've
Speaker 1: seen here so far during a game day, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be really good this year based on what
Speaker 1: I've seen thus far. And I don't know if we
Speaker 1: just need to wait until a real game to see
Speaker 1: and really find out, because we can't judge by practice.
Speaker 1: We know that that doesn't give you the right result.
Speaker 1: My hope for Dak Prescott is that he can continue
Speaker 1: to be what he's been and better, which is to say,
Speaker 1: a quarterback who can play mistake free, be a good leader,
Speaker 1: occasionally make a highlight worthy play, and just generally lead
Speaker 1: the offense that is centered around the line and Zeke.
Speaker 1: I feel like people view it as a knock that
Speaker 1: he's not the type of quarterback that can carry a
Speaker 1: whole team right now. I don't view it that way.
Speaker 1: I think he plays a crucial role in the way
Speaker 1: the team is constructed. If he can keep doing that,
Speaker 1: they will win games and compete for playoff spots, and hopefully,
Speaker 1: as he continues to progress, he can become that type
Speaker 1: of quarterback in the next two to four years. And
Speaker 1: if that involves paying him again, I don't think you
Speaker 1: have to cripple your team to do that. You Know,
Speaker 1: something that I love is the fact, okay, yes, he
Speaker 1: took Romo's job basically, and the fact that Jason went
Speaker 1: had so much respect for Dak Prescot. I mean, we
Speaker 1: know how close Jason and Romo. The fact that this
Speaker 1: young guy came in was able to gain all that
Speaker 1: respect from Jason Witten get along and be all on
Speaker 1: the same track. I mean that to me is a
Speaker 1: great endorsement just by Jason Witten. So I'm one hundred
Speaker 1: percent confident that Dak is gonna shine and he's gonna
Speaker 1: stay here for a while. All Right, we're gonna take
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Speaker 1: before we do that, though, I wanted to make mention
Speaker 1: we I had the poll and I put the poll
Speaker 1: on on the on the app um asking the question,
Speaker 1: do you think Daki is where he should be developmentally
Speaker 1: entering year three? Want to hear this? And here's the
Speaker 1: interesting thing. It's been all over the map. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's it was, it's at one point, it was really high,
Speaker 1: at one point is really low. But where it is
Speaker 1: right now, ninety four percent of the people say yes,
Speaker 1: only six percent saying no. So I think, at least
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Speaker 1: majority of the vast majority believe he's on track with
Speaker 1: where he should be developmentally. Is this targeted the Mississippi
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Speaker 1: as of now. Now this thing kind of bounces around
Speaker 1: four percent of Cowboys fans listening to this, which is yes,
Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean sorry, the rest of them,
Speaker 1: Cowboys Nation, but you're smarter than them if you listen
Speaker 1: to this on a regular basis, you just are Wait,
Speaker 1: what people who listen to our shows are more informed
Speaker 1: and smarter than Joe and fower Mount got it. That's
Speaker 1: exactly right. But anyway, I thought that was an interesting thing.
Speaker 1: I was expecting maybe the opposite, just seeing kind of
Speaker 1: comments I've seen on Twitter. But again, as I prefaced
Speaker 1: this conversation, sometimes what you see on Twitter is just
Speaker 1: a vocal minority that really is is not the representative.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like with Romo, you know, after his
Speaker 1: second or third year, you're not an undrafted quarterback from
Speaker 1: from Eastern Illinois anymore. You are the France guys quarterback.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the where it is with Dak
Speaker 1: and so you know, no longer is he just that
Speaker 1: guy that's like, oh wow, fourth round pick, he's surprised it.
Speaker 1: Now it's you know, now you've gotten wide receivers cut,
Speaker 1: and you've got other players have made decisions based off
Speaker 1: of you being here. So now it's time you're you're
Speaker 1: the guy. And I think Amber said it earlier, it's
Speaker 1: you know, you are the quarterback. They're giving everything for
Speaker 1: you to be successful, so you know you're no longer
Speaker 1: the young guy. I sorry, this is dumb, but I
Speaker 1: don't know what Dak and Tony's relationship is like now,
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't even begin to guess, like the last
Speaker 1: time they communicated, But I like to think, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe Dak would send Romo at text just
Speaker 1: like dude, I get it it. Romo's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's cool. Oh this camp he's he's and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's the off the field stuff. It's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: When you are the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, guess what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there will be a lot of stuff coming your way.
Speaker 1: He's better be ready to deal with it. He's making
Speaker 1: a lot of money to play football. But I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy, the guy can't really win right now on
Speaker 1: a variety of fronts. So he was, well, he was
Speaker 1: answering a question yesterday. He said, oh, yeah, this young
Speaker 1: guys coming in, isn't that weird? So yeah, him calling
Speaker 1: this other guy's young guys, I'm like, what, he's ancient
Speaker 1: by NFL. Right right, we'll get ready for his retirement party.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some questions we gotta call.
Speaker 1: If you guys want to call us. You can call
Speaker 1: us at nine seven two four nine seven nine seven
Speaker 1: two four nine seven forty four hundred. We gotta call
Speaker 1: from Hakeem in Virginia. HACKEM what up? It was up? Guys.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I mean, I've raised the Virginia but Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm born and raising. Let's go shout out the But um,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask a question. I'm you guys, you
Speaker 1: know Nick and Derek, you guys can probably speak to
Speaker 1: this because you guys have been there in a long time.
Speaker 1: You gotta see what goes on behind the scenes. But
Speaker 1: you know, on the outside world, you know, fans and
Speaker 1: media and all these talk shows and all. You mean,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of media people they say that you
Speaker 1: know Jerry and you know he likes to hire head
Speaker 1: coaches that he can you know that doesn't have like, um,
Speaker 1: that's not like you know, raw Rod guys or anything
Speaker 1: like that, or just like you know, he likes to
Speaker 1: overpower not not like over like overstep his head coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, authorities that like that's the narratives that you
Speaker 1: know people outside of the Cowboys organization. So I'll like
Speaker 1: to get you guys to take you know, who's behind
Speaker 1: the scenes to see you know, you gotta see more
Speaker 1: than what we see. And is that a fair you know,
Speaker 1: narrative to go by or you know, is it not?
Speaker 1: And if if that's the case, do you think a
Speaker 1: guy like Chris Rashard, you know, like you said the
Speaker 1: other day, Nick, you think a guy like Chris Rashard
Speaker 1: would be a perfect fit if you know, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: doesn't get it done or anything like that. So that's
Speaker 1: all I had. And uh, you know, y'all keep up
Speaker 1: to go work. There's one thing that you have to
Speaker 1: realize that. I mean, Jerry, uh you know, he's his
Speaker 1: stamp is on this team. Of course he owns it.
Speaker 1: He's a general manager, he's the president. Um. And but
Speaker 1: you got to realize that the head coach of this organization.
Speaker 1: It's not for everyone. It's not like every other place.
Speaker 1: If you don't understand that, you don't buy into it,
Speaker 1: then it's not going to be for you. That's as
Speaker 1: simple as simple as that, I mean. And and here's
Speaker 1: a guy that played for the Cowboys. He understands and
Speaker 1: he was he played for the Cowboys when they were
Speaker 1: winning Super Bowls. So he gets where where where this franchise.
Speaker 1: Is he gets that that that football is not the
Speaker 1: only part of this whole thing. That there's there's money involved,
Speaker 1: that there's sponsorships, there's a lot going on. If you
Speaker 1: if you want to buck the system, then this isn't
Speaker 1: for you. And so, But but to answer your question,
Speaker 1: I'm yes, I think Garret. You look around, Garrett's stamp
Speaker 1: is on this team as well. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of the things that that are happening. But just remember
Speaker 1: that if so, if a new coach comes in, and
Speaker 1: maybe you'll get a chance to see how things work,
Speaker 1: but you may not get to practice on that practice
Speaker 1: field on Tuesday morning like you want to because there's
Speaker 1: something else going on. That's just that's just reality that happens.
Speaker 1: You better be used to it. I will, And I
Speaker 1: absolutely think that works in Jason Garrett's favor. He gets
Speaker 1: I mean, at just across all platforms, the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: are a show and they just are. And I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're a fan, I hope you understand that because
Speaker 1: you're the benefactors of that some degree, because you get
Speaker 1: this right, you get these kinds of programming that we
Speaker 1: were able to do. I think it is it absolutely
Speaker 1: works in Jason Garrett's favor that he understands that. But
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, Like, it's not like Jerry Jones has a
Speaker 1: just set type of coach that he's willing to hire.
Speaker 1: Look across the hires he's made, like he's covered the
Speaker 1: whole spectrum. Like I would barely even remember that Jimmy
Speaker 1: Johnson Cowboys, but I know how fiery he was Bill
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels, Are you kidding me? Yeah? And then you
Speaker 1: got a guy like Wade Phillips, who's like the chilliest
Speaker 1: dude ever, and Garrett, who's somewhere in between like Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I mean, the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys are a show and always will be. But Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones wants to win. He's gonna hire whoever he thinks
Speaker 1: is going to help him do that. No other no
Speaker 1: other franchise can continue to rise in their net worth
Speaker 1: like this and not be successful in the postseason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just this is the way that it is. Let
Speaker 1: me give you guys a shameless plug on this. There's
Speaker 1: a documentary. We're running out our first of four Deep
Speaker 1: Blue documentaries this week. We'll have one every week for
Speaker 1: the next four weeks and the one that's gonna run
Speaker 1: this Wednesday. It's called Parcels Last Ride and it talks
Speaker 1: about Parcels coming to the Cowboys. Really great documentary. Kent Garrison,
Speaker 1: who produces this show, was the editor for that. Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips wrote the documentary, but really really good. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I bring it up is because I think
Speaker 1: when you go and you listen to Parcels Nick, you've
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to interview Parcels about his time here.
Speaker 1: The one thing you always hear from from Parcels was
Speaker 1: I he always says I loved working for Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: And so when people have that narrative of well, a
Speaker 1: strong head coach would never want to work for Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: you find me a head coach that's stronger than build
Speaker 1: Parcelves and for him to say, hey, I loved working
Speaker 1: with Jerry Jones, I think that narrative is I think
Speaker 1: it's a little bit incorrect. I think Jerry, like you said,
Speaker 1: he's had a lot of different kinds of coaches, but
Speaker 1: I don't I think Jerry can work with different kinds
Speaker 1: of people. And the other thing I'll point out real
Speaker 1: quick is I can only speak from my personal experience.
Speaker 1: I work a lot with their family in my job.
Speaker 1: The one thing I will say about it is and
Speaker 1: every person that I have that's a peer of mind
Speaker 1: that runs a particular part of the business, we all
Speaker 1: say the same thing. Which is the great part about
Speaker 1: working for the Jones family is they allow you to
Speaker 1: do your job like. They're not the kind that are
Speaker 1: going to be like, you're supposed to be the expert,
Speaker 1: but no, don't do what you're saying, do what I
Speaker 1: tell you to do. They're always like, how do what
Speaker 1: do you think about this? I'm gonna defer there. If
Speaker 1: they have opinions, they definitely make it known, and they're
Speaker 1: sometimes they're like, hey, I really think we ought to
Speaker 1: go this way. But it's not like they say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just jump over your O. You know this.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be the expert. You go do it
Speaker 1: the way you want it. And I have no reason
Speaker 1: to believe that they would do something different than that.
Speaker 1: With the football coach, yeah, well and obvious, I mean
Speaker 1: it doesn't showcase everything that happens. I'm sure there are
Speaker 1: moments where Jerry Jones lets his voice be heard, but
Speaker 1: go watch all or nothing. Those coaches, you know, the
Speaker 1: Monday recap meetings were so fascinating to me because Jerry's
Speaker 1: like almost meek in those means. He's like, okay, coach,
Speaker 1: you got you got the floor? Like what are you?
Speaker 1: You know, like he's just he defers to him in
Speaker 1: front of this in front of his coaches, which that
Speaker 1: is not the famous image of Jerry Jones. Like you,
Speaker 1: I mean to listen to the narrative and you think
Speaker 1: he's up there diagramming plays and like telling Jason who's
Speaker 1: gonna get how many snaps in the game. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's like that at all. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: another call. We had a call this time from hold
Speaker 1: on just a second, can't who we got? Yeah, stan Um.
Speaker 1: I got two quick questions for you guys. One is,
Speaker 1: when I checked out this guy, Antoine Woods, I thought
Speaker 1: he was going to be an easy cut and then
Speaker 1: we see the fight. And then I started noticing from YouTube,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the people showing you know, what's
Speaker 1: going on at camp. I noticed that he gets a
Speaker 1: real good push up the field, and I was going
Speaker 1: to see, you know what you guys take was on
Speaker 1: that as well as m Jordan Lewis. Uh. I need
Speaker 1: to know some more information what's going on with this
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis AB battle because I keep seeing AB on
Speaker 1: the field. I don't see Jordan Lewis on the field
Speaker 1: as much. So I sit back and listen to what
Speaker 1: you guys saying your thoughts and thanks for having me,
Speaker 1: all right, thanks for the calling. Well, I mean, if
Speaker 1: if you're gonna hit Travis Frederick in the face, then
Speaker 1: then basically what you're saying is is that you're you're
Speaker 1: willing to fight everybody. I mean that he's he's the
Speaker 1: anchor of that offensive line, and and you know, he
Speaker 1: basically said, if you want to fight, let's fight. So
Speaker 1: he hit him in the face. I mean, that's but
Speaker 1: but there's more two it than that. He's not just
Speaker 1: he's not just doing that, you know, um, he's actually
Speaker 1: he's he's he's pushing Travis Frederick back. He's winning battles
Speaker 1: against an all pro like that. And I don't think
Speaker 1: we're gonna see any regression out of out of Frederick.
Speaker 1: I think this guy he's got some strength. He's a
Speaker 1: big guy, and that's what they need on that offensive line.
Speaker 1: They need. They need a guy that can get up
Speaker 1: the field, but they certainly need someone that's big and
Speaker 1: so defensive line he needs and we need a one
Speaker 1: technique guy that that can also stop the run in there.
Speaker 1: So we'll see, I mean he's bounced. He has been
Speaker 1: cut two or three times. I mean, I will say this,
Speaker 1: Uh sorry Nick, but good Um. Just like wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Every year there's a d tackle that I mean Lewis,
Speaker 1: Neil last year, Shaneil Jenkins, Rodney Coe was a guy
Speaker 1: that a lot of people had eyes on. There's always
Speaker 1: and you know, you see the you see the one
Speaker 1: on one pass Roustrial, so you get to see these
Speaker 1: guys win a lot. Just by nature of it. He's
Speaker 1: looked good. I'm not ready to put him on the team,
Speaker 1: but i will say if there's a spot where I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's got to be detactless. There's a spot
Speaker 1: that's thin um Jordan Lewis and a B is interesting
Speaker 1: to me because that that much like Dak That is
Speaker 1: another Twitter controversy that you know, I mean, the third
Speaker 1: round pick who played well last year can't get in
Speaker 1: the starting lineup over ab Uh. I don't think ab
Speaker 1: has been terrible, but he's certainly lost his fair share
Speaker 1: of battles out here. Okay, with a B as a
Speaker 1: nickname here, I mean a B is Antonio Brown, but
Speaker 1: I mean Anthony is just such a It's it's a mouthful, Tom.
Speaker 1: We've been here too long. It's a mouthful ab still
Speaker 1: throwing a jersey in Parsil's face. To me, it's still
Speaker 1: Antonio Bryant. But yeah, Anthony Brown. Um, anyway, I get it.
Speaker 1: He's a third round pick, and you know, we know
Speaker 1: Chris Froshard likes his tall cornerbacks, and then there's a
Speaker 1: theory that maybe that's why he can't get in the lineup.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Jordan has looked good. I
Speaker 1: would like to see him with the ones. Fortunately for us,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a shot because Cheeto's not practicing right now.
Speaker 1: Brown has been on the left side since he got hurt,
Speaker 1: and Jordan's been the first team's nickel, so maybe he
Speaker 1: can take advantage of this opportunity. That's gonna be interesting,
Speaker 1: though at the end of the day, I have a
Speaker 1: hard time losing sleep about it, because you can never
Speaker 1: have too many corners, and injuries play a role and
Speaker 1: for as mad as people want to get about it
Speaker 1: in training camp, if Brown is bad, when the games
Speaker 1: start mattering, he will get replaced and not on that way.
Speaker 1: This works. The one thing that we've seen about this defense,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it changes with Chris Rashard here,
Speaker 1: but it seems like in past years they'll rotate those
Speaker 1: corners around a little bit. Nope, they'll get those guys
Speaker 1: on the field. So I don't think it's a situation
Speaker 1: where because Jordan's not a part of the starting three,
Speaker 1: he won't be on the field. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: get some opportunities to play. And that's a great thing
Speaker 1: to have. You got four really solid corners, keep giving,
Speaker 1: and you're playing against these seems to have all these
Speaker 1: really great wide receivers. You're gonna need that. So I
Speaker 1: actually think that's a great thing. I don't look at
Speaker 1: that as a bad thing. On August six, true, every
Speaker 1: freaking I just I'm not ready to lose sleep about
Speaker 1: position battles on August six. How it shakes out, All right, guys,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us. We'll be back tomorrow. These
Speaker 1: guys will be back tomorrow. Amber will be hosting, you
Speaker 1: guys will get a chance to hear about all the
Speaker 1: stuff that's happening out here heading into the first preseason
Speaker 1: game this Thursday against the San Francisco forty nine Ers.
Speaker 1: Till then for Nicki, even Dave Helmet, amber Garcia. I'm
Speaker 1: Derek Eagles and this has been the Break live on
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