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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three ten, episode

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Speaker 1: two of Daly'sai guyst.

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Speaker 2: Day production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's disgusting, filthy share consciousness. It is Tuesday, October

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. We are a week out

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Speaker 1: miles t minus one week, seven days.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks you hellos?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah, California Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how we do it?

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Speaker 2: What we call it?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: It's also I was, I was sidetracked because today is

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Speaker 2: National Polony Day, National food Day, hey, which seems a

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Speaker 2: little redundant, but hey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah sure national My Bologny is a first name, so

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Speaker 1: please speak at the name.

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Speaker 2: Oh my bed, my bet, my bet name Oscar Oscar.

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Speaker 2: It's National food today. Yeah, fo you know love it was?

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Speaker 1: That was that day instituted by somebody who's just like,

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Speaker 1: fucking everything has a day like as an act of

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Speaker 1: protest or was there somebody who got real high and

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Speaker 1: was like, you know what, hits really different these days

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Speaker 1: for me?

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Speaker 2: Food?

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Speaker 3: Have you this corporate consolidation like it was just monopolies

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Speaker 3: now so they could just say food.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the one food company, the three places you get

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Speaker 1: your quote unquote food from But yeah, I think it

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Speaker 1: started in twenty eleven, Like hell yeah, that is about

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Speaker 1: when we started realizing food.

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Speaker 2: Hell food, food, food, it hits different.

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Speaker 3: Award. I'd like to take food.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely number one, first and foremost oxygen food.

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Speaker 1: We are probably a couple of years away from a

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Speaker 1: like one of those farmer campaigns where they like spend

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Speaker 1: their massive you know whatever. The opposite of a deficit

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Speaker 1: is like all the money that they get from the

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Speaker 1: government like milk. Yeah, they're massive subsidies on a advertising

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Speaker 1: campaign like the the Got Milk thing, but like it'll

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Speaker 1: be like pork it's different or hell yeah, dude, hell.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, milk is different.

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Speaker 2: Had like a weird mockumentary thing where they're trying to

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Speaker 2: like just smirch any like oat milk, anything that wasn't milk,

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Speaker 2: and I was like with Aubrey plaza, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: this is okay, this is cool, this is cool propaganda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I forget what they call it, but it's like

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Speaker 1: tree juice or something like yeah, exactly, very derogatory like.

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Speaker 2: Tree milk or something. I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien aka Jack.

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Speaker 2: You look good.

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Speaker 1: Won't you piss those pants up? Legs are plump, motherfuckers?

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Speaker 1: Won't you piss those pants up? Eat Swedish eat Swedish

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Speaker 1: fish readers. When you piss those pants up? How and

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Speaker 1: get to lambeau ing? Piss those pants up? That is

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Speaker 1: courtesy of Macaroni on the discord on an.

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Speaker 2: Absolute Heater auto correct.

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Speaker 1: Why can't you just accept that the word lamba ing

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Speaker 1: is happening without trying to turn it into lambing, which

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Speaker 1: is not a thing that is happening. Is not a

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Speaker 1: word lambing.

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Speaker 4: We're lambeau ing, We're lambeau ango.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say, sir madam, but auto correct definitely

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Speaker 1: a man right.

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Speaker 2: The energy feels very.

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Speaker 1: Unactually the professional AI.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh, I think I know you're trying

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Speaker 2: to say here the person who typed it in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let me correct you there. Anyways, I'm thrilled

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Speaker 1: to be joined as always by my co host mister

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Speaker 1: Miles Gress Miles Gray AKA.

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Speaker 4: When I need some potassium but I want to get drunk.

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Speaker 4: I drink ninety nine bananas, but I don't keep down.

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Speaker 2: One hit me, Okay, shout out to my whole thing

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Speaker 2: about drinking ninety bananas.

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Speaker 4: A Fighter of the Nightmare for making that a jay Z.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that was good. It's one of my favorites in

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Speaker 2: a while.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Fighter of the Nightman. Well Miles, we

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Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined in our third seat. A

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Speaker 1: creative and political activist who hosts Beyond the Pale and

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Speaker 1: w B A I in New York Must listen these days,

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Speaker 1: always a must listen, but especially of late. Is a

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Speaker 1: caucus member of Jews for Racial and Economic Justice, co

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Speaker 1: founder of its electoral armed the Jewish Vote. Please welcome

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Speaker 1: back to this show, Raphael Shumann.

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Speaker 4: Up, it's good to have you.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, man, that's good, you know, considering gestures

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Speaker 3: to the world, Yeah, okay, but trying to it's so weird.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I think a lot of people feel this,

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Speaker 3: but like when the world is like this, you're supposed

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Speaker 3: to sometimes lock it out and do your job job,

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Speaker 3: and it just seems really challenged to get into normal

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Speaker 3: modes like doing laundry while while you should be in

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Speaker 3: the streets and what feels like all the time right now, But.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've been in these streets recently arrested

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Speaker 1: and for your work trying to get Chuck Schumer to

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Speaker 1: help bring about a ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to convince his niece to stop acting and

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Speaker 3: stop commed.

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Speaker 2: That's the fun social media, Yeah, yeah, watching the social

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Speaker 2: media masks will slip on. Yeah means like, all right,

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Speaker 2: well we're going to get into all of that plenty more,

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Speaker 2: but first we do like to get to know you

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Speaker 2: a little bit better by asking you what is something

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Speaker 2: from your search history that's about.

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Speaker 3: Who you are? Like, the thing I always do, and

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Speaker 3: it's probably always the last thing is always I'm a

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Speaker 3: bad speller, So it's every random word to just get

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Speaker 3: the Google auto correct and then use that. It's a

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Speaker 3: really boring last search start, but it's what I need.

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Speaker 3: That's my my lifesaver over there.

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Speaker 2: What's the what's the what word? Are getting hung up on?

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Speaker 3: One? Is always? Like, So now I developed a nomadic

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Speaker 3: device to remember this one principal versus principal pal, and

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Speaker 3: I realized, like, you know, the principal of the school

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Speaker 3: wants to be your pal.

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Speaker 1: But you just picture the principle of the school turning

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Speaker 1: his back his baseball cap around backwards.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you, Yeah, I want to

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Speaker 2: talk to you about some of your Instagram posts. My man,

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Speaker 2: there you go. That's like always the same thing with

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Speaker 2: a cap a tel like a capital versus a capitol building.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Well I still say that one get through like in

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Speaker 4: like established I guess this quote unquote outlets for journalism,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, you can't fuck that up now, I

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me how you keep it straight? Because

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Speaker 1: this principal ship is gonna save my ass every time.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I just the toll well is always

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Speaker 2: the building, you know, for who can the bell tolls right.

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Speaker 3: The buildings around? Like, oh you could do that?

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Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah yeah, but I think I only remembered

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Speaker 2: it because I only saw capital written as a kid first.

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Speaker 2: And then when that new one, yeah, like capt to

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Speaker 2: cow likes.

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Speaker 1: It over here. So I the I used to get

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Speaker 1: desert and dessert mixed up, and then a girl I

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Speaker 1: was dating, it's like, well you always want more dessert

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Speaker 1: and dessert has two s'so nobody wants more dessert.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so one, So.

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Speaker 3: There you we just we just spun off a new podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, a roll when you're when something

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Speaker 1: is rolling. Two l's, you know, the l's get on

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Speaker 1: a roll. Yeah, so that's you know, and this this

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Speaker 1: could be the whole show.

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Speaker 2: Conaughey, mic conn august, Hey, what do you know there?

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Speaker 1: It is all right?

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Speaker 3: What are you doing to write? Matthew mcnaughey. So often

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Speaker 3: we were doing it.

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Speaker 2: There was a run. There was like when he was

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Speaker 2: talking about running for.

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Speaker 1: And we were fully in support of it, and so

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Speaker 1: we had headlines such as, why not now, McConaughey, why

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Speaker 1: not now? Yeah, mcconnaughe, Hey, how about this handsome fella?

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Speaker 1: I do like to watch his scene in Wolf of

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Speaker 1: Wall Street on a somewhat regular basis. The vocal warm

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Speaker 1: up right into him, just fully embodying everybody I know

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Speaker 1: who has ever worked on Wall Street Street?

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Speaker 2: Bros?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 3: Overrated? The Pledge of Allegiance? I'm sure people have touched

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Speaker 3: on that, right. It's just so creepy. It's like like

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Speaker 5: Hey, before class begins, we're gonna tell you some dirty

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Speaker 5: ship that we did as a nation. But before we do,

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Speaker 5: here's a like a blood oath bond.

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Speaker 2: But you would die for this ship right here. I

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Speaker 2: would die for this you too, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, then you kill someone in front of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's like benzal in training.

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Speaker 2: That right, right right, Yeah, it's a why would we

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Speaker 2: just think? I went to Lutheran school in elementary school,

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Speaker 2: Fledge Pledge of allegiance came up. We had to also

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Speaker 2: pledge allegiance to the fucking Christian flag and to this

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Speaker 2: this is so yeah, it's a The flag is like

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Speaker 2: it's white with like a purple. It's like shaped like

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Speaker 2: the American flag, but it's all white. And where the

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Speaker 2: stars are it's like purple with a red cross in it.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: And everything else white. The stripes are white, no stripes,

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Speaker 2: because if they're both white then you wouldn't be able

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Speaker 3: That sounds about white.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds about white. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The pledges and wild Ship I think under God was

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Speaker 1: why why would we know our whole thing is that

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Speaker 1: we did this like to avoid getting God like those

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Speaker 1: the God thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, oh, you guys are gonna love this in

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Speaker 2: about two hundred years.

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Speaker 1: What is something you think is underrated?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I think it's interesting. In Jewish culture or religion,

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Speaker 3: don't want to like cry wolf. You know, God's out

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Speaker 3: there listening to everything at all times. And if we

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Speaker 3: just keep saying God, God, God, God, God, God, what

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Speaker 3: about when I actually need God? So there's and which

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Speaker 3: is like the that's how you refer to saying God.

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Speaker 3: But when you actually are meaning God, you have to

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Speaker 3: say God's name, which I can't say on the show

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Speaker 3: unless you're giving something to pray about.

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Speaker 1: But is so you can say like goddamn. And that's

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Speaker 1: because that's not God's name, right.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, for us, it's not God's name, right, so God,

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Speaker 3: So so some people include the word God to not

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Speaker 2: Isn't like an abbreviation for like, isn't it like abbreviated

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Speaker 1: But you were also there for a story that came

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Speaker 1: That the deep state has a massive left wing bias?

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Speaker 1: Am I right?

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Speaker 2: I mean there was Yeah, like Marjorie Taylor Green said,

444
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Speaker 2: this is an insurrection with that same energy, which was

445
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Speaker 2: really baffling to see when truly we're seeing.

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Speaker 4: People come together to advocate for peace.

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Speaker 3: But there's this Fox clip I should send you, and

448
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Speaker 3: it's it's them like wondering how we got in and

449
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Speaker 3: how we did it. And then the Fox journalist actually

450
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Speaker 3: who was on the ground was kind of like honest,

451
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Speaker 3: and he was just like, Oh, they got in by

452
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Speaker 3: just going through the metal detector and saying that they're

453
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Speaker 3: coming to practice free speech and that's our free speech laws.

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Speaker 3: Like they were trying to make it into this big

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Speaker 3: thing like people look the way.

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Speaker 2: So did open the doors for them to enter it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, But it was just like anyone can go

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Speaker 3: into the rotunda and meet their their Congress member and talk,

459
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Speaker 3: you know, you could literally talk to their staff. You

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Speaker 3: passed by AOC's you see a bunch of post its

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Speaker 3: on the wall, like she's like the rock star in Congress.

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Speaker 3: Of all these post it's like showing their adoration and

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Speaker 3: support of AOC, and.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of cool, but just like, so,

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Speaker 1: so what's the difference between that and what happened on

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Speaker 1: January sixth? Like that's why I was like, oh, just

467
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Speaker 1: because you guys weren't ripping things off the wall and

468
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Speaker 1: chanting that you wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Hang the Vice president.

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Speaker 1: That's that's why you're allowed in the public.

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Speaker 3: It's basically the public doar in public?

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Speaker 1: Come right, how did you get this cheat code that

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Speaker 1: you weren't supposed to rip things off the wall and

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Speaker 1: threaten to kill.

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Speaker 3: But it was it was that there was two actions

476
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Speaker 3: in DC. One was led by if Not Now, and

477
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Speaker 3: that was sealing all the entrances and exits to the

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Speaker 3: White House, which the Secret Service arrested people for. And

479
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Speaker 3: then this event a couple of days later for the

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Speaker 3: for Congress, and that was to really just take over

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Speaker 3: the rotunda and and what happened was there was ten

482
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Speaker 3: thousand people outside supporting US, five hundred went in and

483
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Speaker 3: together that was the largest Jewish action for Palestinians in

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Speaker 3: history anywhere in the world.

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Speaker 1: Wow, can you describe what if Not Now?

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Speaker 3: Is?

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Speaker 1: Just for anybody who doesn't know.

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Speaker 3: So there's two groups really largely at play here. One

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Speaker 3: is if Not Now and if Not Now? So Holstary

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Speaker 3: JVP Jewish Voice Piece because it's older, it's like three

491
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Speaker 3: decades old, and it started, of course with in solidarity

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Speaker 3: with Palestinian So it's very much like their orientation is

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Speaker 3: like go to the front line of who's being affected

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Speaker 3: by the occupation and partheide and let them lead and

495
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Speaker 3: we be their Jewish allies their comrades, you know, and

496
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Speaker 3: that's a beautiful model. And if not, now it's ook

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Speaker 3: at another level, not in competition or anything, but like

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Speaker 3: that identifying that there's also something in our culture and

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Speaker 3: how we were raised that needs to be addressed and

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Speaker 3: that we need to unlearn the things that we were

501
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Speaker 3: raised with throughout our lives. And so it's very much

502
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Speaker 3: inward and it's very much more youth oriented at least initially,

503
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Speaker 3: and then also really specifically about ending American Jewish support

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Speaker 3: for for apartheid and occupation.

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Speaker 2: And like, and I've seen so many wilds, Like I've

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Speaker 2: seen people call Jewish Voice for Peace like a terrorist group,

507
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Speaker 2: like some really awful shit or like and I and rap.

508
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Speaker 2: Since I've known you, and like you've come on the show,

509
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Speaker 2: like we've had a lot of conversations where your work

510
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Speaker 2: in you know, standing up and they're being in solidarity

511
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Speaker 2: with the people of Palestine has opened you up to

512
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Speaker 2: all kinds of attacks like that people would accuse you

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Speaker 2: of being like self of self hatred and things like that.

514
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Speaker 2: I'm really curious, especially for you, who's so involved in

515
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Speaker 2: this and is looking at it through the perspective you

516
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Speaker 2: are like what that's been like to watch watch these

517
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Speaker 2: things unfold the last few weeks and begin to see

518
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Speaker 2: these rifts open up in really really dramatic ways, and

519
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Speaker 2: you know like what that process is to sort of

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Speaker 2: look on and say, like so, like some of us

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Speaker 2: are here, others are completely there. Yeah, like what how

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Speaker 2: do we make sense of it?

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Speaker 3: That's such a good question, And there's still so many

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Speaker 3: open things that we're learning, Like right now, there is

525
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Speaker 3: a use of the statistics. There is a huge difference

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Speaker 3: depending on your age and like where you fall. And

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Speaker 3: this issued either as an American of any faith or

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Speaker 3: no faith, or as a Jew. But I think if

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Speaker 3: not now in JPP had like shift the paradigm and

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Speaker 3: made it safer for a lot of people to be

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Speaker 3: able to say, like why am I being called anti Semitic?

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Speaker 3: If these Jews are also believe what I believe? And

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Speaker 3: then also we do that too, like we say, why

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Speaker 3: are we called self hating Jews? If Israel's largest human

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Speaker 3: rights organization calls it apartheid and there's a whole society

536
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Speaker 3: called making the silence? Who are veterans in Israel who

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Speaker 3: oppose the occupation? Many of them had even refused to

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Speaker 3: serve and spend jail time refusing to serve. And it

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Speaker 3: continues today. And these are like teenagers, like or early

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Speaker 3: twenty year olds. So there's all this kind of layers

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Speaker 3: upon layers of people seeking safety through validation. And it's

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Speaker 3: kind of sad because what results for Palestinians is that

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Speaker 3: I think you've probably seen all these super clips online,

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Speaker 3: and that is when Palestinians are brought on to news shows,

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Speaker 3: they're not asked about if their families, okay, who they lost,

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Speaker 3: what they fear. They're asked if they support terrorism, you

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Speaker 3: can ask, yeah, exactly, and it's really and then some

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Speaker 3: of the Palestinian guests and experts and journalists would say, oh,

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Speaker 3: by the way, my uncle died and my nieces missing

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Speaker 3: and XYZ, thanks for asking, know what I mean, and

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Speaker 3: they would just go they would just pivot back to Amman,

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Speaker 3: which is really it's it's really I can't imagine what

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Speaker 3: that feels like to have to be to not only

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Speaker 3: have to disavow things like I posted, I mean the

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Speaker 3: other day it was an asteroid that was coming to

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Speaker 3: Earth to destroy and I wrote, yeah, but do Palestinian

557
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Speaker 3: support it? You know, like it's just like becoming this thing.

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Speaker 3: We're just gross. And also when they do speak about

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Speaker 3: anything with Israel and Palestine, a Palestinian has to be

560
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Speaker 3: like a PhD in European anti semitism in order not

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Speaker 3: to say something that's triggering and this, and I understand

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Speaker 3: those triggers, but also there's almost zero grace for Palestinians

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Speaker 3: to just even mourn or speak for their own security.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we get this article in the La Times over

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Speaker 1: the weekend about how the left has really led us down.

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Speaker 1: I mean that we've gotten this article over and over again.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's millennials are killing X industry. Is

569
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Speaker 2: the left is really there this week it's this thing.

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Speaker 1: And like they're going to be able to find anti

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Speaker 1: semitism on the left because there's anti semitism everywhere, Like

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Speaker 1: anti semitism is it is a huge problem. But in

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Speaker 1: this context, as you're as you're there involved in this

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Speaker 1: struggle for peace, it seems like you've seen something quite

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Speaker 1: different from anti semitism being on the grid for these

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Speaker 1: protests and these actions.

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Speaker 3: We like to say peace and justice, right, like peace, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because like a lot of people, yeah, a lot of

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Speaker 3: people define peace, and I think peace is the right word,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of people have redefined peace to mean quiet,

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Speaker 3: and like, you know, there's no there's no there's no

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Speaker 3: rally as I can tell for Black Lives Matter right

583
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Speaker 3: now on the streets. That's very large right now, But

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Speaker 3: that doesn't mean there's peace, right there's still those things

585
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Speaker 3: are still happening every day. So I guess I like

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Speaker 3: to remind folks to also say just this part, because

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Speaker 3: peace in Gaza is four hours of electricity a day,

588
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Speaker 3: calorie counting by Israel to not allow too much food

589
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: and water, limitations, a blockade around every well, note travel restrictions.

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Speaker 3: It's just open air prison. And a lot of people

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Speaker 3: define the day before that horrendous attack by Hamas on civilians,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people define that that day before that

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Speaker 3: it's peace. And yeah, anti Semitism. Yeah. Another thing is

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Speaker 3: like it's very easy to kind of assume antisemitism is

595
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Speaker 3: like in the water in the air, and it's really

596
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Speaker 3: it's something that's manufactured by the right, and it was

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Speaker 3: created by the right in Europe in order to remove

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Speaker 3: to create, like a middle manager like to create. So

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Speaker 3: the core of racism is this like supremacy, ethnic supremacy,

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Speaker 3: and for example, the idea that someone exists like Martin

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Speaker 3: Luther King or Nelson Mandela or something exists like black

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Speaker 3: culture defining global culture for decades and decades, all of

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Speaker 3: these amazing accomplishments, all the inventions, all the things, all

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Speaker 3: the scientific breakthroughs that any black person does, negates the

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Speaker 3: idea of white supremacy. So a useful tool to undo

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Speaker 3: that is the idea of this mystical Jewish person. This

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Speaker 3: Jewish person, be it Sorrows or whoever, is behind the

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Speaker 3: success of black people. It's behind the migrant you know,

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Speaker 3: like the idea that America is this immigrating beacons for

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Speaker 3: immigration and all these things. And so it's a really

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Speaker 3: useful tool to a redirect like financial pain and suffering

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Speaker 3: from capitalism to a group of people, and also to

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Speaker 3: protect the idea of the myth of white supremacy. And

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Speaker 3: I guess, like what I'm seeing on the streets to

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Speaker 3: your question, finally, what I'm seeing on the streets, I

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Speaker 3: do see occasionally anti Semitic thing. I will see it,

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Speaker 3: and then sometimes most of the time I'll call the

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Speaker 3: person in and be like hey, like they'll be like

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Speaker 3: the Jewish state. This is like what the Jewish state does.

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Speaker 3: And I'll be like, well, do you mean the Israeli

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Speaker 3: state or do you mean the Jewish state? And then

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Speaker 3: they're like, oh, I didn't think about that. But had

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Speaker 3: they said that in front of a New York Post reporter,

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Speaker 3: that would be on the front page and would be

625
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 3: used to define DSA, would be used to define anything

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Speaker 3: and try to destroy the left. And what I saw

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Speaker 3: in Israel there is an Arab town forget the name

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Speaker 3: right now, there's an Arab town that after the attacks,

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Speaker 3: welcomed Jewish refugees. And the history of that Arab town

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Speaker 3: was it was one of it was the site of

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Speaker 3: the most horrific massacre by Jews of Palestinians of Arabs

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Speaker 3: in that town. And they still are opening their doors

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Speaker 3: to the families affected by that attack by Hamas. You know,

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Speaker 3: you're seeing these things on the street and you're you're

635
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Speaker 3: basically going to find what you're looking for, right, And

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Speaker 3: the question is what are you amplifying and what are

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Speaker 3: you using to define an entire thing with?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've seen how useful that sort of the

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Speaker 2: left is anti Semitic, like that, how that take has

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Speaker 2: been used by like establishment democrats and shit to completely

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Speaker 2: try and take the wind out of the sails or

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Speaker 2: question the validity of people pointing out that the ills

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Speaker 2: of Palestinian people living under occupation and then just being

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Speaker 2: able to sort of use this like thought killing cliche

645
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Speaker 2: to be like, well, they're all anti Semitics, so let's

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Speaker 2: now back to our person and on the ground from

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Speaker 2: the IDF that is going to tell us exactly what's

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Speaker 2: happening now. And yeah, like I see how like in

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Speaker 2: a way, like for the establishment politics too, like this

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Speaker 2: has been used to being like, oh, we can also

651
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Speaker 2: sort of try and kneecap a movement as well by

652
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Speaker 2: bringing it into this, you know, a very skewed perspective

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Speaker 2: that they.

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Speaker 3: Want to show absolutely absolutely. And also what I saw

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Speaker 3: the difference in our protests, the Jewish ones, the police

656
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Speaker 3: were like there and they they threw a lot of

657
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Speaker 3: people around and did this stuff. But when I went

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Speaker 3: to the Palestinian youth protest in front of the Israeli

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Speaker 3: Embassy in DC on that Friday night, it was riot gear.

660
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Speaker 3: It was cars parked in a way. There was also

661
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Speaker 3: this guy infamous cop I forget his name, but he's

662
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Speaker 3: known to have killed a BLM protester and he's just

663
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: walking around like it was so different. And these were

664
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Speaker 3: two kids, right, and it was it was wild that

665
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Speaker 3: these kids in this little redsdential neighborhood of this very

666
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: secure Israeli embassy were met with riot cops versus US

667
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Speaker 3: in the heart of the power of the United States

668
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Speaker 3: and the most sensitive part of the world. And we

669
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Speaker 3: were just you know, singing into a bus, you know.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, let's take a quick break and we'll come back.

671
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Speaker 3: We'll keep talking about this.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back and we're back and wrap.

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Speaker 1: Something I saw you pointing out on social media is

674
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Speaker 1: this idea that Hamas is a right wing organization.

675
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Speaker 2: I think people.

676
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Speaker 1: Understand that this Israeli government really favors settlers and you

677
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: know what they call settlers or I guess what are

678
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: called settlers, but like really just violent militarists stick intervention

679
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: is a right wing government, and it it feels like

680
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: we're being asked to choose between They're just like there's

681
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: just these two right wing options and that's that's it.

682
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Speaker 1: And we either side with one right wing option or

683
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: you side with the other.

684
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Speaker 2: And the whole that was kind of.

685
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Speaker 1: Clarifying to me to just think about it as like, no, well,

686
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Speaker 1: I've never in my life sided with the right wing

687
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: option in any circumstance, like why should I start now?

688
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: But it does feel like that is getting blacked out

689
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Speaker 1: from the entire conversation.

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Speaker 3: And I have to admit saying that they're a far

691
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: right organization a it's not like an exact match to

692
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Speaker 3: like European or Western far right. But also and it

693
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 3: also does this thing of flattening the Palacinian resistance, which

694
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Speaker 3: is greater than Hamas. There's a lot of groups and

695
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: the most favorite group actually like people don't know their

696
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: names and I don't even remember their names. But there

697
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: are a lot of youth groups who show up without

698
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: any kind of real ideology. It's more like a mutual

699
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: aid kind of thing. And they have been springing up

700
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: and going after soldiers and going after violent occupying soldiers

701
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: and going after violent settlers and getting killed like more

702
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Speaker 3: than anyone. And those are the ones that are the

703
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: most popular fighters, resistance fighters by Palestinians, not these groups.

704
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Speaker 3: Not to say these groups don't have the port like

705
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Speaker 3: even in Ukraine, the azov As we know the Azov

706
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 3: Battalion has their neo Nazi past and present, and people

707
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 3: also have this struggle of like hey, they're like, you know,

708
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Speaker 3: they've lost the most lives, they fought the most battles,

709
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Speaker 3: they've won the most battles with Russia. Let's just park

710
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 3: this this ship until, you know, including the Jewish president.

711
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: So like there's this complexity that I always kind of think,

712
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: like what if like some a super alien force came

713
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: and started bombing queens and like some proud boys were

714
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: like handing them their ass. I might chill out for

715
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: like a day or two against the problem. I don't know,

716
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: like I know what I would do in these situations.

717
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, like so, and it wasn't just Hamas in

718
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: those in that breach of Gaza prison. It was other groups.

719
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: In fact, you hear a lot of stories from from

720
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Speaker 3: Israelis who, no matter what the news was trying to

721
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: make them say, they were saying no. This person entered

722
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 3: my house. He asked for the keys to the car,

723
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: and we told him like there's no gas, and he's like,

724
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Speaker 3: I'll take and he took the car. Or he asked

725
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: for a banana and we gave him a banana and

726
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 3: he left, and they seem a lot of them seemed

727
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: just really hungry, like you. There's all these testimonies that

728
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: they don't play in English in the US that they

729
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: play in Israel all the time, including like to be fair,

730
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: like including there's stories of a Palestinian person in Israel

731
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: using an image of the kidnap grandma to sell pizzas,

732
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: you know, it's like a meme and stuff like that,

733
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: and like Israel bulldozed their pizzeria in response. You know,

734
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: there's everything you want to find, you will look for

735
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: in any kind of thing, you know. Yeah, but it's

736
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 3: not defining all the things right.

737
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Speaker 1: I've heard some people say that Western media is actually

738
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: like more right wing, like further to the right than

739
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: Israeli media.

740
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Speaker 3: Even absolutely the things that I would read from even

741
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: a right wing book or like a centric's book, like

742
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: Benny Morris and all these other historians in Israel, Amos

743
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: oz poets, like all of these Israeli hardcore that they

744
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: served in the military, even Prime Minister that I could

745
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: repeat something the prime ministers of Israel said or the

746
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: heads of security has said, and if I say that

747
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: in the United States, I would be called antisthematic for

748
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: those things. They say, if I was Palestinian, I would

749
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: do the same thing Palestinian. These are people who became

750
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 3: prime minister, they say, are the head. There's a there's

751
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 3: a great documentary everyone should watch everybody. It's called Gatekeepers.

752
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: It's Israeli and there's English subtitles, and all it does

753
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: is is interviews the heads of shin Bet, which is

754
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: like the biggest security agency over decadeses all of their

755
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: heads minus one or something, and they all what they say,

756
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 3: these like hardcore people that like their living was torturing

757
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: people for information, and they're saying, there's no military solution

758
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 3: to this, ever, and what's going to happen is we're

759
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: going to destroy our country. We're going to destroy any

760
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: hope of democracy, and it's going to be like a

761
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: far right religious like theocracy. If you do this's you know,

762
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 3: like all of them say. Ariel Sharon wore criminal on

763
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: his death bed said something to the to the like

764
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Speaker 3: of you know, we have to choose this or we're

765
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Speaker 3: going to lose Israel. We have to choose a negotiated

766
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: settlement or we lose everything, like and then when you

767
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 3: repeat those kind of things in the US, you're anti Semitic.

768
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think another part that I've only like

769
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: sort of recently started seeing more and more, like I

770
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: think there's been as this whole, you know, this conflict unfolded,

771
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people were like, well, you

772
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: gotta go back to this, you gotta go back to here,

773
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 2: you gotta go back to the UN or you got

774
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: to go back to the fact that Europeans and the

775
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: United States didn't know what to do with these Jewish

776
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: people and probably didn't want to repatriate a lot of

777
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: these people for you know, as we've learned from past guests,

778
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: like the amount of businesses that were just absorbed by.

779
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Speaker 4: People when Jewish people were fleeing Western Europe during World

780
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Speaker 4: War Two and things like that. But another point that

781
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: I think isn't discussed enough, but we would talk about

782
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 4: on the show, especially at the time when the US

783
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 4: Embassy was moved to Jerusalem, and like Mike Pompeo was

784
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: like so giddy about this that then there are a

785
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 4: few people were like, there's actually if you go further back,

786
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 4: there is this relationship between especially like well it's more

787
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: specifically in the United States, like these Christian evangelicals in

788
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 4: the United States in the US specifically, but obviously this

789
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: is a larger thing that goes back centuries. But the

790
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: idea of how the support is always intertwined with the

791
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: idea of the end times coming, and it's when people

792
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 4: are always like, well, why would they let this happen?

793
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: Or why are they looking the other way?

794
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: And a lot of people are saying, like all the time,

795
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: you'd see people who are experts in this field or

796
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: come from these communities say, you, guys don't understand like this,

797
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: the like Israel becoming a country is a lot of

798
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: people see that as a prophecy fulfilled on the way

799
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: to bring back like the you know, the return of Christ.

800
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: But this goes back centuries and I know that you you,

801
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: I've seen you post like things that are sort of

802
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: in this realm too, But is like, I mean, how

803
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: much how much awareness do you think, like in general

804
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: there is around that because I think a lot of

805
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: people look at it as like, obviously the United States

806
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: is providing the munitions to the Israeli govern but there's

807
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: also like these there's these underpinnings of this theocratic just

808
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: hardlineer stuff about being like yeah, the rapture, this this

809
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 2: has like a dual purpose.

810
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many interests here. There's like weapons manufacturers

811
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: who love the existence of Gaza, you know, because they

812
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: can toy, they can play and research new weapons and

813
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: have like a real life battlefield, which is what they're

814
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 3: trying to build in cop City, you know what I mean,

815
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: Like this kind of like practice arena, and except in

816
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: Israel that practice arena is like actual human beings. There's

817
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: this guy who's a really good historian. I wish he

818
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: had more followers, but he really touches on this really well.

819
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Speaker 3: He's on Instagram as a m o y a l

820
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 3: Amyl Ri Moyal and he does a really good video,

821
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: really going long form, breaking down the Zionism before Jews

822
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: spoke about it, and there is like a link, a

823
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: direct link to right wing Christian evangelical kind of folks

824
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: and in the UK, and he makes the case like,

825
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: you know, the UK decided to offer us a homeland

826
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: at the expense of Palestinians, and the question is like why,

827
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: Like the UK at that time and even a lot

828
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: of time today is one of the most anti Semitic countries,

829
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: the most casual anti semitism in the world, and why

830
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: would they just end over this valuable piece of strategic

831
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: land to just a bunch of refugees from Europe. And

832
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: the answer is that there are very powerful people who

833
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: have this interest of end times and they are giddy

834
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: to the other day, I was listening to radio and

835
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: New York City there was something it's a signal that's

836
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 3: taken from another town, because when they do the weather,

837
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: it's all off. I don't know where, but it's called

838
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: the Bridge. And I think there's a podcast the British

839
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: Christian Radio or something like that. They were gidy. They

840
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 3: are if you turn any like evangelical like Christian radio

841
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: right now. They are so happy and basically their plan

842
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: is coming together and that is death and destruction for

843
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: people who are not Christian, and Jew's dying and people

844
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: converting and Jesus coming back, and there is a very

845
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: much straight line. Like Zionism spiritually means a lot of things,

846
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: like we at every prayer, at every dinner, we talk

847
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: about or in holidays we talk about going back to Israel,

848
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: and a lot of people read that in many different ways,

849
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: like I'm from Uzbekistan as a Jew there in this

850
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: ancient society, like we when we said we were called Israel.

851
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 3: So our actually we weren't called Bujarians. We're called Buarians

852
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: because a white man found the first of us in

853
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: a town called Buhara and decided this is a Buhari

854
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: and now forever we're called Buarians because of its white traveler.

855
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: But we were always called Israel. We were called Esareel.

856
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: So when we said esil, we meant us where we are,

857
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: where we're home. And you know, there is a lot

858
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: of tradition about that. I could go into on a

859
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: whole other show. But the spiritual meaning has many This

860
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: is why a lot of Jews are so even human

861
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 3: rights caring Jews are so triggered with even the term

862
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: anti Zionism and all these things. It's just wound up

863
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: in so much of our Even that wedding song we

864
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: were singing on the bus protesting Israel. We're singing on

865
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 3: the bus. It has a reference to Israel in the song.

866
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: You know. So there's a lot of contradictions.

867
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Speaker 2: Right right, because I think a lot of people also

868
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: underrate like just how you know, there's like a group

869
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: called Christians Unified for Israel that has like a lot

870
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: of sway, especially within the Republican Party.

871
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: People talk about APAC all the time, but actually the

872
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 3: biggest thunders are Christian Zionists as well.

873
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's and a lot of people

874
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 2: are like, well, I don't like, you know, I think

875
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: it really became clear, especially right after the embassy was moved,

876
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump at a rally was like, yeah, he's like,

877
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: you think the like people would be excited about it.

878
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: He's like the evangelicals, they're actually more they're more excited

879
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: than the Jewish people about this.

880
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 3: And oh yeah, he's always lambasting on us. He's always

881
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: saying we're not returning the favor and right, yeah, and

882
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: he's saying the Christians and are the ones who are.

883
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: Grateful, right, and now we're like and now, like to

884
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: a certain point, I'm like, okay, well I'm glad, Like,

885
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: you know, Pompeo and Pence obviously like aren't part of

886
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 2: the mechanic, the mechanical, the machinery of the government, but.

887
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 4: We still it's still a huge force to be reckoned with.

888
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 4: And I know Joe Biden, like one of his like

889
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: sort of community outreach people he had during the transition

890
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 4: comes from this like evangelical Wow, yeah, so like you

891
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: see that like there's still there's like a consistency to

892
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: all this, and now like as I see and watch

893
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 4: what the president is doing now, I'm yeah, like I mean,

894
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 4: I'm he's he's pretty consistently been saying like yeah, no,

895
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: it's like no matter what this is, this is what

896
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 4: we're going to stand with Israel. But as but I'm

897
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 4: always curious to see, like especially when you see people

898
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 4: in the streets like saying this is not what we want,

899
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 4: not in our name, or we cannot repeat the mistakes

900
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 4: that we did like in nine to eleven with immediately

901
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: just jumping to conclusions and like unleashing just unrestrained wrath.

902
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 4: Like how he like how even this administration is looking

903
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 4: at it and like what they're even calculus is you

904
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Because I'm like, yeah, this is

905
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 4: a lot of people that voted for you. There's a

906
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 4: lot of people that you gave them the binary of

907
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 4: like well you know, it's the lesser of two evils

908
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 4: or like I'll hold my nose. But now with increased

909
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 4: resistance to what is happening, I'm I'm just like, really

910
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 4: that's also just I see how further things can ravel

911
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: even domestically.

912
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's like uncharted territory. With Biden,

913
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 3: it seems like he could he could pass something and

914
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: it's going to create a climate, core of workers, and

915
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: it's going to be like this amazing thing that we

916
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 3: never thought any president would do. And then on this side,

917
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 3: he took forever even just to mention Palestinians and lied

918
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: about like the beheaded baby story and other things. I

919
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: really don't know, Like it's just like it's so uncharted

920
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: to me what to expect. But it's like anything is

921
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 3: up from this because it's so dire. But I am

922
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 3: moved though. I am moved because if you do see people,

923
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: they are taking stands. During when we did the White

924
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 3: House thing, if not Now, we steeled every if not

925
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: now people field every entrance and exit. There's so many

926
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: of them, more than a dozen, and Secret Service and

927
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: everyone came to arrest them. And during that moment inside

928
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 3: the White House, there are there were people who signed

929
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: an internal letter who agree with us. While we're screaming

930
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: on the streets, Joe Biden's opening up his email and

931
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: his a is reading like a letter from his own

932
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: staff protesting his position. Same thing with Staffers in Congress

933
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: have written up hundreds and have written internal letters and stuff,

934
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 3: and people are resigning all over the country from their companies,

935
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: from agencies and also getting fired. There's a young woman

936
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 3: who got fired from CIA recently for her stance. Yeah.

937
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think what they I think that they

938
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: posted something as like innocuous, as like we're starting to

939
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 2: see who supports genocide? Yeah that, And I think that's

940
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: when we've been saying this, like for the last few weeks,

941
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: the landscape has so become so hostile towards any sort

942
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: of utterance of like a resolution like if it's not

943
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: a full throated support of like yeah, they have the

944
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: right to defend themselves no matter what. If that's not

945
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: the take, like then you see a lot of.

946
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: It's interesting is when they do speak like that, especially

947
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: off the cuff, when they say like we must do

948
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: what's necessary because you know whatever, and if it's innocent people,

949
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 3: it's innocent people, but we have to get blah blah blah,

950
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: and that's that's what they chose. They say, so like

951
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 3: Israelis are saying that the Israeli military hawks are saying

952
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: they chose Hamas even though that election was like almost

953
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: two decades ago whatever, But like that, they chose Hamas

954
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 3: and therefore they deserve it. But that's also what Hamas

955
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 3: said when they went into those settlements, those towns. This

956
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: is not defense of them, but those towns where they

957
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: were invading, invading, were quote invading but also invading. They

958
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: those were the forms. So Gaza, the existence of Gaza

959
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: is ethnic cleansing. So it's these Palisines used to live

960
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 3: all across Palestine Israel, and now they're pushed in there

961
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 3: and remove the right to vote. So that's literally the

962
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: existence of Gaza itself is already ethnic cleansing. So there's

963
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: really no debate. So they actually Hamas says the same thing,

964
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: and al Qaeda said the same thing when they did

965
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 3: the towers. They said that we voted for Bush and

966
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: others who who are bombing Arabs and the thing and

967
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: al Kaid are awful evil. Of course we have to

968
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: say that is that a hunting right But but but

969
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: they they said the same thing. So I'm wondering, like

970
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 3: why are all these right wingers are saying the same thing,

971
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,959
Speaker 3: and how how they're all benefiting from each other. They're

972
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 3: literally feeding each other and we're all on the sidelines,

973
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: like oh my god, and having to choose a side

974
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 3: between all of them.

975
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: To your point, yeah, I still feel like a lot

976
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: of people don't understand like some of the things that

977
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: you've made reference to, like the calorie limits, the electricity limits,

978
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: the shutting off of fresh water, and like the people

979
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 1: of guys that can't just leave like that, that's that's

980
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: the thing that I like people who don't follows who

981
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: are like, well, why don't they just leave then?

982
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: And it's like out of which exit, which which which

983
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: exit are used to? They're not a bomb.

984
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: And even before like they're not allowed to leave for

985
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: like cancer healthcare, like for you know, they're not allowed

986
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: to leave and like that it is the definition of

987
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: an open air prison. But you know, and just a

988
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: Muslim person I know recently said to me that, like

989
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: when we get these like mainstream communications from organizations like

990
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 1: we stand with Israel communications as Israel is just indiscriminately

991
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: bombing innocent people and children in Gaza, They're like it

992
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: feels like this won't stop until they put all the

993
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: brown people in a concentration camp like the like, and

994
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: I the US has had a prison for brown people,

995
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: that is a war crime like in Cuba for the

996
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: past twenty two years, that like it's this is not imaginary,

997
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: like it's happening right now to them, right like, And

998
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: I just ask like people who are having trouble with

999
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: coming around to the position of peace to like try

1000
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: and view things from the perspective of somebody who has

1001
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: lived through the past twenty two years in this country

1002
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: and then that this is this is happening. You know,

1003
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: that's let alone, like the people who have lived in

1004
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: an open air prison and an apartheid state for you know,

1005
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: over Dame.

1006
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how much time we have, but like

1007
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: there is something that would be useful to help decode.

1008
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: And one of that is like a lot of this

1009
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: is like at least in the Jewish community and people

1010
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: who want to stand with us, are these triggers, And

1011
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: one of them is like there's all these like interpretations.

1012
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 3: So like when someone goes to a rally and someone

1013
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: screams from the river to the sea, a lot of

1014
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: people get triggered, and really you should follow up and

1015
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 3: ask what that means. And usually the answer is everyone

1016
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: should have a vote, Like it's really even the one

1017
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 3: that they try to make into a monster, into this

1018
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: evil super whatever left kind of thing BDS, which is

1019
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 3: boycott divest campaign, which is the single most unified thing

1020
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: that Palestinian civil society demands. This is when when you

1021
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 3: say what should we do for Palestine, it shouldn't be

1022
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: what Americans are saying or Jews are saying. It should

1023
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: be what Palaestinians are saying, and Palasinians are saying, Boycott,

1024
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: divest from from until we all have one person, one vote,

1025
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: which is just like the most basic line kind of

1026
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: human rights thing. It's not it's not radical at all.

1027
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: It's not scary at all. What is scary to people

1028
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: is and it's understandable too. It's not sometimes like it's

1029
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: either you want to choose villains or whatever. But I

1030
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: can't look at my uncle who's great on everything and

1031
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: problematic on Israel and say he's a monster. But he's

1032
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 3: confused and he's afraid that there's going to be another

1033
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 3: time that Jews don't have self determination. Yeah, and you know,

1034
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 3: and there's there's ways to fight self determination, fight for

1035
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: democracy where you are. That's one point. There's also models

1036
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 3: for multinational, multi ethnic date kind of things that you

1037
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: could do with Israel. There's you know, it's just like

1038
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: a lot of this is emotional and triggering and actually

1039
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: solvable with conversations like I've had those conversations. It's actually fixable.

1040
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: Well, raf thank you so much for coming on to

1041
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: talk to us about this. Thank you for all the

1042
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: work that you're putting in, and yeah, we really appreciate it.

1043
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: We'd love to have you back.

1044
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: Thank you all back on, and thank you for the

1045
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: cheery inch. I love your beginnings of all your shows.

1046
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: It just they always make me happy. The shouting, the

1047
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 3: corny morning zoo vibe. I love it so much. And

1048
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: this is the first time I like laughed like this

1049
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 3: and smiled in a while.

1050
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: So thank you, Thanks well, thank you. Where can people

1051
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you all that good stuff.

1052
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 3: You can find me at Rafael Shimanov on Twitter, at

1053
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: Rafternoon on Instagram. And you said, definitely if you're Jewish

1054
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 3: out there, sign up for either. If not now, if

1055
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 3: that's your vibe or Jewish voice or peace, check them

1056
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: both out. And if you're not, all the fights are connected.

1057
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: Find your local grassroots, find your local mutual aid group.

1058
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 3: It's important. You're gonna need these connections when things get worse,

1059
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: and things are gonna get better, but they're gonna get

1060
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 3: worse first. And thanks everyone.

1061
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: Is there a work media that you've been enjoying?

1062
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's this thing that I have pinned to

1063
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 3: my top tweet. So if you go to Twitter and

1064
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 3: you find me, there's this Morgan who's one of my

1065
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: friends who I was arrested with in New York and

1066
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 3: it was one of the It went and it went wild.

1067
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 3: They got like eleven million views, like right away, because

1068
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 3: people are so hungry to see people just speaking truth.

1069
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 3: And it was him in the crowd in front of

1070
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 3: like the in the park in front of Chuck Schumer's house,

1071
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: like stating the case and revving up the audience and

1072
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,959
Speaker 3: revving up the activists and also distracting the police from

1073
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 3: our other action is going in front of his house

1074
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 3: with his beautiful speech, and you have to watch it.

1075
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: You have to see the energy and the hurt that

1076
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: he's feeling. And also, like the contract, it's hard to speak.

1077
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 3: You don't want to make it sound like it's about us,

1078
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 3: because it's not about us, like we're part of this,

1079
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: but it's about Palestinians and we should be talking. We

1080
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: should be lifting up Palestinians as as much as we

1081
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 3: can to talk on this everywhere.

1082
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miles, where can people find you? Is there a

1083
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: working media you've been enjoying?

1084
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Speaker 2: Yeah, at Miles of Gray and all that at place

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Speaker 2: is a basketball podcast, Miles, Jackot mad BOOSTI podcast for

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Speaker 2: twenty day fiancees. Let's see a tweet I like is

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Speaker 2: from rob at okay, but still tweeted this is This

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Speaker 2: is from like earlier in the year, tweeted female therapist.

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Speaker 4: Your friend with a fat, ugly baby will have to

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Speaker 4: accept that your truth is your truth.

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Speaker 2: Male therapist. Yeah, it sounds like the medication isn't working

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Speaker 2: at all. But to go back to something you said

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Speaker 2: flips notes last time, uh q doba is mid I

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Speaker 2: want to challenge you on that.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Uh tweet I've been enjoying.

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Speaker 1: Dylan Glula tweeted at some point during Planet Earth, David

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Speaker 1: Attenborough should assure you that you won't be this high forever.

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Speaker 5: And.

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Speaker 3: I was hoping there was an impression.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're

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Speaker 1: at d Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook

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Speaker 1: fanpage and a website, Daily zeitgeist dot com, where we

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Speaker 1: post our episodes and our footnote where we link off

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Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Myles is their song that you think people might enjoy it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is soothing instrumental music.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you're like if there was a Speak easy,

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Speaker 2: but the jukebox only played like menu music from a

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Speaker 2: Nintendo or game Boy game. This track is called Lata

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Speaker 2: and it's by this artist, Frankie Reyes, and he plays

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Speaker 2: like a OG like synthesizer and uses MIDI But this

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Speaker 2: like but he's a great like well he's just a

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Speaker 2: great musician. But the but the esthetic of it is

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Speaker 2: so like eight bit like video game music. It's really

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Speaker 2: I don't know, this is really cool. So you know,

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Speaker 2: take a break, listen to this track by Frankie Reyes.

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Speaker 1: All right, we will link off to that in the footnotes.

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Speaker 1: The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio Wrap, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite show that is

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Speaker 1: going to do it for us this morning, back this

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Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you all then.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,