Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bullyball, presented by DraftKings. I am Rachel
Speaker 1: Nichols as always, mister DeMarcus Cousins, and back with us
Speaker 1: again A mean alhassan, Welcome.
Speaker 2: To mean cheers.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 1: Cheers? When cheers and boogie? It's like midnight there, I
Speaker 1: think in Taiwan.
Speaker 2: Close to it, close to.
Speaker 1: So really we should be breaking out the herd alcohol.
Speaker 1: Let's not get ourselves.
Speaker 2: Man, you'd never ask hold On Lee.
Speaker 1: By the way, plenty of cheers about his beer. Lepards
Speaker 1: are in the finals two and zero, maybe on their
Speaker 1: way to a sweep, much like the conference finals games
Speaker 1: over here, Boogie as usual, tearing it up twenty seven
Speaker 1: and twelve in the last game. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: But what's it feeling. Are you feeling sweep? How's the
Speaker 1: vibe around the city knowing you guys are so close?
Speaker 1: What's it like over there?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: Is it's really high level of basketball? It's super competitive.
Speaker 4: We're playing a really competitive team right now in the
Speaker 4: tape Mars team. So it's not as it's not as
Speaker 4: easy as it's showing on paper. But you know, the
Speaker 4: competition is really high. The guys don't give a damn
Speaker 4: the name on the back of the jersey. They're they're competing,
Speaker 4: and you know, that's what I came here for, to compete,
Speaker 4: play real basketball and to play for something.
Speaker 2: So I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying the experience.
Speaker 4: The fans have been incredible, the city is incredible, so
Speaker 4: it's all good. The team is in a good place.
Speaker 4: We got a young team, a lot of We got
Speaker 4: two rookies starting in our starting lineup, so yeah, so
Speaker 4: we it's exciting times.
Speaker 2: You know, they're learning on the fly.
Speaker 4: They're at the biggest stage right now, so it's it's
Speaker 4: really dope to see.
Speaker 2: And they're performing, so really dope to see. You know.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to be a part of this group and
Speaker 4: I'm proud of the group. So we gonna keep pushing.
Speaker 4: Two more before were champs, So I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Man, I love it. Went I went away. A championship
Speaker 1: anywhere is hard to find, so us not say it's
Speaker 1: gonna be easy from here on out, but very impressive
Speaker 1: to oh run, and we're gonna have more of the
Speaker 1: boogie chronicles toward the end of the show. So everyone
Speaker 1: who's been following along the last couple of weeks get
Speaker 1: to see more of that, which I'm excited about. We
Speaker 1: gotta talk about the playoffs here though, of course, my friends,
Speaker 1: these Western Conference Finals, these games have been so good,
Speaker 1: so good, Kyrie and Luca combining for sixty six points
Speaker 1: to take that three to oh lead. And look, these
Speaker 1: games have been so close. The Mavericks, I think, are
Speaker 1: the first team to get to three and oh despite
Speaker 1: being behind in the final five minutes of each of
Speaker 1: the three games ever in the NBA history, ever since
Speaker 1: they started keeping track. That's bananas. But they've gotten some
Speaker 1: help from the Timberwolves too, of course, who have had
Speaker 1: an uneven performance. I got to start with this because
Speaker 1: I know you both are gonna have something to say.
Speaker 1: But look, it means already ready, it means read he
Speaker 1: can tell the smiles on his face because after the
Speaker 1: game last night, Karl Anthony Towns, who is shooting twenty
Speaker 1: eight percent in this series, thirteen percent from three and
Speaker 1: I just got before we go in, I just want
Speaker 1: to say he is a big reason why they even
Speaker 1: got here. His performance in Game seven against Denver. They
Speaker 1: would not have won that game without him. However, his
Speaker 1: shot has abandoned him in this series, and he said
Speaker 1: after the game, I don't know what's happening. I shoot
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred shots a day. THEDNT desk had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun with us. What is your reaction, Buggy to
Speaker 1: hearing that? And then we'll break down the rest of
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 4: Man, you can always count on Dreymond and cost bullshit.
Speaker 4: It's for sure bullshit. But at the same time, as
Speaker 4: a competitor, as a guy in the position that he's
Speaker 4: in right now, at like at one of the ultimate
Speaker 4: stages of competing, I do believe he's putting in the
Speaker 4: extra work. This is a guy that's throughout history he's
Speaker 4: been able to shoot the ball at a at a
Speaker 4: really hot clip. But at the same time, it kind
Speaker 4: of sucks when you put out a statement saying I'm
Speaker 4: the greatest shooting big man all the time, and then
Speaker 4: when it's time to be that, you're shooting thirteen percent
Speaker 4: from three, So, uh, you know, it kind of sucks.
Speaker 4: But I do believe he's putting in the work. Fifteen
Speaker 4: hundred shots a day, No, no chance in hell. It's
Speaker 4: just I don't even believe the coaching staff will be
Speaker 4: okay with that right at this point. At this point
Speaker 4: and this stage of the playoffs, rest is more important
Speaker 4: than putting up fifteen hundred shots.
Speaker 2: So rest in health. So I trying to do thank
Speaker 2: you how much?
Speaker 1: How much? If you're taking would you say it's ten
Speaker 1: seconds someone's feeding the ball. You take the shot with
Speaker 1: ten and said ten seconds? Like about right?
Speaker 4: Well, it's a difference rate, it's a difference. It's one thing. Now,
Speaker 4: it's very possible to go in there and take fifteen
Speaker 4: hundred shots, but as a professional athlete, we practice makes,
Speaker 4: not just takes. So maybe maybe he is in there
Speaker 4: making shooting fifteen hundred shots, but doesn't mean he's making
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred. So it's a big difference in because if
Speaker 4: you're making fifteen hundred, let's say you shot fifty percent,
Speaker 4: that's three thousand shots, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So even taking them, would you say about ten seconds
Speaker 1: in between shots? Would you say that's right? I mean,
Speaker 1: my my math is my math.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: I think the problem is no one boogie backed me up.
Speaker 6: Nobody just takes catch and shoot shots and.
Speaker 2: You should Yeah, that's yeah, you're doing saying.
Speaker 3: Something off the drible. You're doing something where you you
Speaker 3: screen and you you you aide, so to.
Speaker 1: Get them the benefit of the doubt. It's a ten
Speaker 1: seconds each. I think that's about four hours. Someone's going
Speaker 1: to check my math because I couldn't even do simple
Speaker 1: like addition and subtraction on TV the other day. Apparently
Speaker 1: every skill I've ever had has left me because I
Speaker 1: used to be a maths student. But I did. I
Speaker 1: was like, let's give him the benefit the dawn. Say
Speaker 1: it's ten seconds in between shots, whatever. I think that's
Speaker 1: more than four hours.
Speaker 3: Can I I'll be not even just.
Speaker 4: I think he's getting up about three to four hundred shots.
Speaker 4: I think three to four hundred, possibly five hundred note
Speaker 4: between the postseason, not in the postseason.
Speaker 2: I think no, I think that that's very possible. That's
Speaker 2: very possive.
Speaker 6: The staff not letting him on off date or not
Speaker 6: off days, on the on the off days between games
Speaker 6: shoot that much. No, I think this is I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be the voice of positivity. I think what he was
Speaker 6: trying to say is I shoot a lot. You're not
Speaker 6: like something. Oh he's had called me one hundred times.
Speaker 6: They didn't really call you one hundred times. They may
Speaker 6: have called you seven times, but we're trying to exaggerate
Speaker 6: and say I do it a lot.
Speaker 3: So that's what I think he was going for.
Speaker 6: But you know, Draymond, he he jumped on that, and
Speaker 6: after that it's tough because.
Speaker 3: You know he is a great shooter, and but we
Speaker 3: know everybody.
Speaker 6: Everybody goes to I think the difference between Caarling, Anthony Towns,
Speaker 6: and maybe other shooters is I think him from a
Speaker 6: confidence standpoint, I can see his confidence being shaken. You
Speaker 6: could tell this by the shot selection and some of
Speaker 6: the some of the decision making out there. So I
Speaker 6: think what's happening isn't just he's going to a slump.
Speaker 6: It's going he's going through something and he's feeling it.
Speaker 6: He's feeling the world watch him and feeling.
Speaker 3: All all here we go.
Speaker 6: He missed another one, and I think that has a
Speaker 6: compounding kind of effect where it feels harder and harder,
Speaker 6: and I don't like. I think he needs one good
Speaker 6: game just to kind of break out of it, because
Speaker 6: right now he's snowballing and he's spiraling.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: He got sat for the last eight or nine minutes
Speaker 1: of Game two. I was in the building for that
Speaker 1: one and we just kept being like, is he coming back.
Speaker 1: Is he bringing him back? But but you've been on
Speaker 1: Non's read since day one of this season and how
Speaker 1: good he is and Na's reed was hitting every shot
Speaker 1: he took, even from like the last row of the stands.
Speaker 1: He was incredible in that game. So, yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: put Cat back in. But that had to be a
Speaker 1: little bit of a confidence blow.
Speaker 4: Too, I would say, yes, you know, being a guy
Speaker 4: that's been there, being a guy that's been there as
Speaker 4: long as he's been, He's been through a couple of couple,
Speaker 4: a couple of coaching changes, organization changes. He's seen the
Speaker 4: ups and downs of this ship. So for them to
Speaker 4: be at this moment as much positivity that that they've
Speaker 4: had thus far in this in this run, that can
Speaker 4: definitely be a confidence blow in the moment. So, but
Speaker 4: it happens, and this is this And that's the part
Speaker 4: that people don't realize when it comes to, you know,
Speaker 4: being a professional athlete or being on the stage. It's
Speaker 4: it's not just about the physical. It's a lot of
Speaker 4: mental that goes into this. So if if you're short
Speaker 4: a little bit on your confidence, it can have a
Speaker 4: huge effect on your game. So confident and and and
Speaker 4: people wonder why you know these superstars and these these
Speaker 4: these stars in the game are considered air again or
Speaker 4: ass so you have to have that type of persona
Speaker 4: for these type of moments.
Speaker 2: This is why it's important to walk around with the
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: Give a fuck attitude for these type of moments, because
Speaker 4: when these moments hit you, that I don't give a
Speaker 4: fuck attitude, that Russell Westbrook type mentality, that's what gets
Speaker 4: you over the hump because the moment you start caring,
Speaker 4: it starts to eat. It starts to eat away, and
Speaker 4: it's sometimes it's hard to come back from it, maybe
Speaker 4: not until that next season. I mean, no knock to
Speaker 4: Ben Simmons, but we're watching him still deal with that
Speaker 4: to this day and it's been about two seasons, three seasons.
Speaker 4: So it's a real, real thing and it's and it's
Speaker 4: no disrespect to mental health, like all of that is
Speaker 4: real and I had an ultimate, utmost respect for it,
Speaker 4: but it's stemming from literally not having a confidence and performing.
Speaker 2: At the same time.
Speaker 1: You're saying it's real, that's you're actually making the point
Speaker 1: that it is real. And by the the way, poor
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons having is like double Chai latte in Brooklyn
Speaker 1: this morning, catch and strays. But that's fine with Chutney
Speaker 1: whatever whatever they have in Brooklyn with the handmade coffee
Speaker 1: cups and the whole thing. But no, you're totally You're
Speaker 1: totally right, And I hadn't thought of it that way
Speaker 1: about that. I don't give a fuck attitude. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I want to get talking about the guys who won
Speaker 1: the game, obviously, and I just want to repeat this
Speaker 1: because I do think it's a crazy stat that since
Speaker 1: they started keeping records of this, in the history of
Speaker 1: the NBA, no team has ever gone up three hour
Speaker 1: in a series after trailing in the final five minutes
Speaker 1: of each game. I mean, that's kind of crazy to
Speaker 1: wrap your head around, and yet these guys are doing it.
Speaker 1: And I just want to go through their numbers through
Speaker 1: the season. They were twenty three and nine in the clutch.
Speaker 1: They already were doing this They've been doing this for
Speaker 1: a while in terms of offensive efficiency, best clutch team
Speaker 1: in the league for the season, Number two overall, Doncic
Speaker 1: and Irving finishing last night's game thirty three points, combining
Speaker 1: for twenty one on eight of ten shooting in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. I mean, that's that's just bonkers, bunkers.
Speaker 4: That's bad boys, that's bad boy.
Speaker 1: There's been back and forth on the broadcast from the
Speaker 1: very beginning of the series. Stan ban Gunny was just
Speaker 1: talking about this is the most talented offensive backcourt in
Speaker 1: NBA history. And I was actually, you know, I used
Speaker 1: to work at T ANDT, and I was hanging with
Speaker 1: the guys in the green room before Game two and
Speaker 1: Stan walks in and just Draymond pounces on him. This
Speaker 1: is pre game, pre show everything just right before Stan
Speaker 1: barely got a word out, Hey guys, how are you?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Best up, most talented offensive
Speaker 1: backcourt in history? Forget about Clay and staff, you know
Speaker 1: all this stuff. They continued this on the air. Reggie
Speaker 1: Miller was on the air at that point. He jumped in,
Speaker 1: so I want to get your guys take on this,
Speaker 1: because Stan has looked more and more correct as this
Speaker 1: series has gone on, but we are prisoners of the
Speaker 1: moment sometimes, and you know, Clay and staff dude four titles,
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit well, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of the phrasing, right, So are they the best? You
Speaker 1: know then kind of you know, Paul Pierce has continued
Speaker 1: this and he's like, oh, they're the most they're the
Speaker 1: best offensive due or ever. So I mean, we've got
Speaker 1: like a lot of qualifiers. So is it the best
Speaker 1: offensive backcourt? Is it the most talented offensive backcourt? Those
Speaker 1: are two different things, actually, because best means that you've
Speaker 1: actually gotten the job done, whereas talent is a totally
Speaker 1: different question. So Stan Is actually said talented. So I
Speaker 1: want to like talk about that because I think that
Speaker 1: if you just say best, I just think you've got
Speaker 1: to give to Stephan Clay outright because they have won
Speaker 1: four times. But talking about talent, if we just do
Speaker 1: it that way, talented offensive backcourt, who do you guys got?
Speaker 1: Producer Nate came up with Steph Clay, Hard and Westbrook
Speaker 1: and Isaiah and Joe Jumars. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys have any more nominees. What do you think
Speaker 1: you started off Man.
Speaker 4: I mean when I when I start thinking about talent,
Speaker 4: I mean Steve Franciscatino MOBILEI that that combo comes to mind, Bradley, Bill,
Speaker 4: John Wall, that combo comes to mine. I mean we
Speaker 4: can even take it back to Tim Hardaway, midd Richmond
Speaker 4: like it's it's a lot of talented like duos when
Speaker 4: it comes to just talent.
Speaker 2: But as far as being the best, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Gotta agree with Draymond, like I'm I'm a guy that's
Speaker 4: about accomplishments, Like you can't be considered the best if
Speaker 4: it's not accomplishments to come with it. It's a lot
Speaker 4: of talented guys to come through the NBA. That's what
Speaker 4: the NBA is. It's it's a pool of talent. But
Speaker 4: what separates you is what you accomplish amongst that pool
Speaker 4: of talent, which is championships, accolades, things of that nature. So,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's clear as today who's the best.
Speaker 4: But as far as talent, we can have that conversation
Speaker 4: all day and it's and it's almost and it almost
Speaker 4: goes to preference as well. I mean, talent can be
Speaker 4: as far as you know, the shooting ability of Klay Thompson,
Speaker 4: the shot, the shot creating ability of a Kyrie Irvin
Speaker 4: or you know, handled athleticism and Steve Francis and Russell
Speaker 4: Westbrook or the savvy of a James Harden. It just
Speaker 4: depends on what your preference is when it comes to talent.
Speaker 4: So I think that's a conversation that's that's that's never ending. Honestly,
Speaker 4: I don't think we'll ever get to a solid answer
Speaker 4: on what's the most talented. It's too much talent.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know some mother names Earl the
Speaker 6: Pearl and Walt Fraser, you got Penny and decent kid.
Speaker 6: They know they got hurt, But like that's as talented
Speaker 6: as you could get in the backcourt that they had
Speaker 6: in Phoenix. You've got, uh, there's a lot of options
Speaker 6: out there. And like Boogie said, like, what do we
Speaker 6: talk about talent? Because I can say that Kyrie and
Speaker 6: Luca are more diverse with their skill set than I
Speaker 6: would say Stephen Clay, Like I don't. I don't think
Speaker 6: you could throw the ball to Clay and have him
Speaker 6: create for others in the way that Kyrie, Luke or
Speaker 6: Steph can.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That was Stan's big argument at least when they're having
Speaker 1: the fight in front of me, which was pretty funny,
Speaker 1: was like, look, Clay can't create for someone else the
Speaker 1: way that these two guys can, and that limits him
Speaker 1: so much that you then have to take that whole
Speaker 1: pairing down a peg compared to these guys.
Speaker 6: Now, the flip side of that, though, Rachel, is can
Speaker 6: any of those guys guard like Clay could?
Speaker 2: That's talent? Is it offensive?
Speaker 1: Offensive? Offensive?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: All right, again, we're qualifying, qualifying quiet everything in these arguments,
Speaker 1: and sort of what do we what do we say
Speaker 1: what's in the three words best? What best talented? Offensive duo?
Speaker 1: Best offensive? Anyway? But yeah, no, look, I mean to
Speaker 1: your point, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, but when you say it like that, as
Speaker 4: far as creating, yeah, maybe he's not the guy that's
Speaker 4: creating off the dribber, but the attention that he gets
Speaker 4: from his shooting ability creates opportunities.
Speaker 2: Well, so that's still a form of creating.
Speaker 4: Yes, So I mean, like I said, it just depends
Speaker 4: on your preference of talent.
Speaker 1: Like he played with Stephen Clay, was it different actually
Speaker 1: being on the court with them or in the locker
Speaker 1: room with them or on the bench watching them than
Speaker 1: it was as an opponent, Like when you were there
Speaker 1: on the court with them and watching them do their thing,
Speaker 1: did it feel different or as an opponent you get
Speaker 1: it how good they are.
Speaker 2: Man, Anything that left their hands was going in the basket.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I felt as a teammate.
Speaker 2: It really did.
Speaker 4: And it was That was the easiest basketball I've ever
Speaker 4: played in my life.
Speaker 2: It was literally just like pick your poison. Like if you.
Speaker 4: Set a good screen, the BIG's gonna overreact, You're gonna
Speaker 4: have a wide open layup, or the backside is going
Speaker 4: to overact, then you have a wide open It was
Speaker 4: just it was it.
Speaker 2: Was musical chair. It was just like pick your poison.
Speaker 4: So, like I said, I get where they're coming from
Speaker 4: as far as you know, play making ability with the ball,
Speaker 4: you know, off the dribble, passing, things of that nature.
Speaker 4: But if I set a crazy screen on the guy
Speaker 4: that's guarden Clay, the BIG's gonna jump out, the guy's
Speaker 4: going to fight his ass off to get over the screen,
Speaker 4: and I have a wide open slip, which is creating
Speaker 4: a shot for myself. So that's still that's still creating
Speaker 4: opportunity for the next guy with his shooting ability. So
Speaker 4: that's why I said I said it earlier. It is
Speaker 4: when it comes to talent, it's more about what's your
Speaker 4: preference of talent.
Speaker 1: So well, look follow up on the Wolf side of things.
Speaker 1: The flip side of that stat I just kept reading
Speaker 1: is that they had the lead in all three games
Speaker 1: in the final five minutes and coughed it up. And
Speaker 1: that mental weight too, I think has got to be
Speaker 1: weighing on all of them, not just Cat And look,
Speaker 1: they were I think twenty second in crunch time over
Speaker 1: the course of the season. This has never been their
Speaker 1: biggest strength, but they've tried to make adjustments. You know,
Speaker 1: we all saw at the end of the Denver series
Speaker 1: when Aunt gets on TV and says I've got Kyrie,
Speaker 1: which was just sort of like, I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: Kyrie is the one you want to do that to,
Speaker 1: young man, but you.
Speaker 6: Know, but that's that's that's what you saw about earlier,
Speaker 6: that confidence that like Coy yeah, yeah, you have to have.
Speaker 3: That if you're going to guard k have to have that.
Speaker 6: You have to have like a like a little bit
Speaker 6: of insanity in you to say yeah, I think do
Speaker 6: you say it.
Speaker 1: On national television?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 4: It was great for TV, it was great for defense,
Speaker 4: it was great for.
Speaker 1: The game I love and everyone loves. And he is
Speaker 1: exactly what the NBA needs for his age, you know his.
Speaker 4: And with that and with that and with that confidence.
Speaker 4: I never said it was always going to lead to
Speaker 4: the right thing. I say that helps you get over
Speaker 4: those hurdles of hard times, having that confidence. I never
Speaker 4: said it was going to always put you in the
Speaker 4: right position. Sometimes that confidence can come back to bite
Speaker 4: you in the ass, which we just witnessed. But that's okay.
Speaker 4: As long as the confidence is there, you're going to
Speaker 4: always be able to overcome the shit.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be fine. You're not supposed to get to
Speaker 1: an NBA finals as the team leader at twenty two.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it can happen, and it could have
Speaker 1: maybe with him, but the fact that it looks like
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen is not a failure in
Speaker 1: any sense. And he has been exceptional. He is coming
Speaker 1: to his own He's going to be exceptional on Team
Speaker 1: USA this summer. We are still going to be in
Speaker 1: the summer of Anthony Edwards. The confidence and the experience
Speaker 1: he's going to get through all of this. He's going
Speaker 1: to be sky high next season. I did think it
Speaker 1: was interesting though, is that he did start out on Kyrie.
Speaker 1: Of course, that faded a bit in the second game.
Speaker 1: By game three, Colmley was really more on Kyrie and
Speaker 1: ant Man. I want to say they were hiding him
Speaker 1: defensively at all, but they were definitely giving him easier
Speaker 1: Simons and he was still tired at that Game two
Speaker 1: I was at he actually had to take oxygen in
Speaker 1: the second half of the game. He was out for
Speaker 1: a period and they had him in the hallway with
Speaker 1: an oxygen mask on, and he's clearly getting tired. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, Book what you thought of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's young, he's twenty two, but I don't think he's
Speaker 1: ever played this deep before. And I don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you think about the fact that he clearly has
Speaker 1: been tired and not quite himself for the series.
Speaker 4: Man sounds like he's hitting the wall, which is kind
Speaker 4: of understandable. He's the expectations of this team has gone
Speaker 4: way higher than I think anybody really planned for so
Speaker 4: and then as far as there, I feel like they
Speaker 4: kind of when it comes to this Timberwools team, and
Speaker 4: I think it is more so a bout default. I
Speaker 4: feel like they felt like they accomplished the ultimate goal
Speaker 4: early in these playoffs, which was taking out the defending
Speaker 4: champ and I felt like they got to the point
Speaker 4: where they started to kind of they no, it's not the.
Speaker 2: Time to do that.
Speaker 4: Even though you did the ultimate you know task with
Speaker 4: you know, taking out the defending champs, it's still a
Speaker 4: lot more left in this in this run. And I
Speaker 4: think that's a sign of inexperience. I think that's a
Speaker 4: sign of you know, youth and you know and it's
Speaker 4: also part of the trials and tribulations of becoming a
Speaker 4: championship team. When you go back to think about Denver,
Speaker 4: before they became the champs, they went through these same steps.
Speaker 4: Like it was one point they were getting their ass
Speaker 4: kicked every year early in the play it went it
Speaker 4: was to the point they couldn't get past the Lakers,
Speaker 4: and now the Lakers can't win the game against So
Speaker 4: I think, I think this is just the stages of
Speaker 4: becoming at that championship team. You know, you have to
Speaker 4: go through your trials and tribulations, you have to learn
Speaker 4: the biggest teacher is experienced. No matter who you add
Speaker 4: to this team, your core foundation has to go through
Speaker 4: these experiences to learn how to get past it. And
Speaker 4: you know, we're just watching this team, you know, go
Speaker 4: through their you know, their struggles.
Speaker 2: I think they will be fine.
Speaker 4: I think they I think Anthony Edwards is going to
Speaker 4: have plenty of championships down down the line. I think
Speaker 4: he's going to have an incredible career. But you know,
Speaker 4: this is just part of it, so I don't take
Speaker 4: it as a negative.
Speaker 2: But he has to go.
Speaker 4: Nobody expected him to just go through this flawlessly. That's
Speaker 4: not how sports work, you know. So and even if
Speaker 4: they did make it to the finals, I think they
Speaker 4: would have ran into a monster on this other side
Speaker 4: with Boston, like just as simple as that.
Speaker 2: So you know, this is expected. I expected this for sure.
Speaker 6: So guys, the other thing we gotta remember is he
Speaker 6: played seventy nine games this regular season. He's played eleven
Speaker 6: playoff games. Is averaging forty one minutes a night in
Speaker 6: the playoffs while guarding August yep right, So he's had
Speaker 6: Regie said he's never had. This is by far the
Speaker 6: most basketball he's ever played in his life. In the
Speaker 6: spending the calendar year, so high level basketball, high level basketball,
Speaker 6: and it's it's your first time playing this kind of
Speaker 6: intensity of in terms of execution and all that beyond, Like, oh,
Speaker 6: he's twenty two whatever, It's understandable. Like sometimes it bothers
Speaker 6: me that people are like, oh, yeah, man, it's his
Speaker 6: first time. What you think you think he's going to
Speaker 6: be perfect that everything, He's gonna get tired, He's gonna
Speaker 6: have to learn how to execute in certain situations. That
Speaker 6: turnover he had at the end of game too, Like,
Speaker 6: is that who Anthony Edwards is as a player? No,
Speaker 6: but that happens when you're tired, and that happens when
Speaker 6: when the stakes are at its highest.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, you know, I still think they
Speaker 1: could get a game, especially with Derek Lively now probably
Speaker 1: going to be out. And that's that's sort of an
Speaker 1: interesting wrinkle left game three with the next strain is
Speaker 1: what they're calling it. They said, as of right now,
Speaker 1: he's not in the concussion protocol. We'll have to see.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Mysteriously, he gets into.
Speaker 6: The boy can cuss man That me it was like
Speaker 6: a bullet to the back of his head. I was like, damn,
Speaker 6: it and showed a hardly faded By the way, this
Speaker 6: is like three minutes after geting need in the other head.
Speaker 3: Oh man.
Speaker 1: By the way, he is so just lovely as a person.
Speaker 1: I want to say every time I spend time around him.
Speaker 1: And I was in Minnesota at the beginning of the series,
Speaker 1: and I've been with Dallas like several times this season,
Speaker 1: and I got to tell you, he has his head
Speaker 1: on his shoulders. Well maybe not today he has his
Speaker 1: sad on his shoulders, because I think it's the next week,
Speaker 1: but in general, he has social good had on his shoulders.
Speaker 1: The story with his mom dying in the past year
Speaker 1: and just sort of He was talking the other night
Speaker 1: about he's like, I feel closest to her when I'm
Speaker 1: on the court, he said, because I can hear all
Speaker 1: those games, you know, since he was a kid, that
Speaker 1: she would shout certain things after certain plays or when
Speaker 1: he was at the free throw line. He's like, so
Speaker 1: I can hear her in my head when I'm playing,
Speaker 1: and he's like, that's why I'm like so eager to
Speaker 1: play for her and to do things for her. And
Speaker 1: it's just he's so smart and mature for being so
Speaker 1: young and man tanking pays off yea, because the Mavericks
Speaker 1: were able to get him when if they had gone
Speaker 1: for that playing game, they wouldn't have. And I've just
Speaker 1: been super impressed with him. Hopefully he will be conscious
Speaker 1: by the time they start in the finals, if they
Speaker 1: do indeed get there, but I doubt I can't imagine
Speaker 1: him playing in the next game. So Minnesota could take
Speaker 1: a game and go back to Minnesota. Well, we'll have
Speaker 1: to see if they can do that. On the Celtics side,
Speaker 1: we've already had kristeps Porzingis ruled out for Game four.
Speaker 1: Remember there's chatter that he was going to be able
Speaker 1: to come back in game four now that they're up
Speaker 1: three to zero. I don't see that happening. And look,
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about a finals matchup quite
Speaker 1: yet because we've got like what eight, ten twelve days
Speaker 1: before the finals, so we have plenty of time for that.
Speaker 1: But I did just want to talk about we will
Speaker 1: likely see at this point Dallas and the Celtics with
Speaker 1: Lively maybe missing a game but then having a week off,
Speaker 1: and hopefully he'll be okay by the time we start
Speaker 1: the finals. For Zingis, if he now doesn't come back
Speaker 1: in the finals. I thought maybe they would try to
Speaker 1: work him into a game four or five if they
Speaker 1: had one, just so he could get his legs under him.
Speaker 1: But you played the finals cold, and it was a
Speaker 1: much different situation because you actually tore what was it
Speaker 1: your calf muscle for your quad even worse, much worse.
Speaker 1: And then you didn't play the entire postseason until you
Speaker 1: were dropped into the finals, which was incredible. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I know you didn't play how you wanted to play,
Speaker 1: and I know you didn't feel like you should have
Speaker 1: been out there, But I was sitting coursesidet those games.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe you were even out there doing what
Speaker 1: you're doing. Obviously the physical capability aside, because you just
Speaker 1: were not yourself. Just the idea of walking into a
Speaker 1: finals cold when you haven't played, in your case, none
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. Kris Steps did play a few games
Speaker 1: in the in the first round series, but hasn't played
Speaker 1: since then, for either him or Derek. Before we get
Speaker 1: to the Celtics in general, what do you think is
Speaker 1: going to be like for them if they don't play
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden boom, Hey, welcome to
Speaker 1: the finals, Welcome back to basketball.
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, I think they'll be fine.
Speaker 4: And the reason I say that is one, it's a
Speaker 4: big difference in the amount of time missed and the
Speaker 4: return time. But when it comes to Presiingians, he's played
Speaker 4: most of the season, he's he's had a rhythm most
Speaker 4: of the year, he understands the system. This is more
Speaker 4: so just about finding his win and being comfortable on
Speaker 4: his feet, which isn't that hard. That may take a
Speaker 4: game or two, and I don't expect high minutes with
Speaker 4: with his return. So that being said, I think they'll
Speaker 4: be fine. I think, you know, the team is going
Speaker 4: about handling this injury the correct way, making sure he's
Speaker 4: one hundred percent healthy. That's that's the most important thing.
Speaker 4: So I think it'll be I think he'll work his
Speaker 4: way back in and fit in seamlessly. And the same
Speaker 4: thing goes with a lot. But the biggest difference is
Speaker 4: the reason that it was such a struggle for me
Speaker 4: is I was coming off the Achilles' injury and I
Speaker 4: missed most of the regular season. Anyway, I ended up
Speaker 4: getting about thirty games with the team, and I was
Speaker 4: finally getting my rhythm.
Speaker 2: Back like I was, you know, feeling like myself again.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I had the confidence in my body, with my movements,
Speaker 4: things of that nature.
Speaker 2: True. So you know, I ended up boring on my quad.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 4: First it was Game two, first round. I blew my quad,
Speaker 4: and you know it was about it was. And it
Speaker 4: was a muscle tear with these guys. You know, it's
Speaker 4: a you know, a neck strain, which is you know
Speaker 4: a little more manageable, in a CAF strain, which is
Speaker 4: a little more manageable. A complete tear is a little different.
Speaker 4: So you know, it was kind of a a rushed process.
Speaker 4: I did the work that was necessary, but I just
Speaker 4: wasn't there physically, and on top of that, the confidence
Speaker 4: in my movements weren't there. But I was stubborn. I
Speaker 4: was thinking with my athletic spirit. Sometimes as athletes, we
Speaker 4: we feel we're fucking invincible sometimes like it's nothing that
Speaker 4: can hold me back.
Speaker 2: Like that's just not the case sometimes, and that was
Speaker 2: what it was for me.
Speaker 4: So, you know, once I finally got out there and
Speaker 4: I got amongst the speed of the game, and just
Speaker 4: I could I could feel I was two three steps
Speaker 4: behind everybody else. So I feel like that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 4: And but for these guys, I think they'll be fun.
Speaker 4: They played most of the year, Their confidence is there.
Speaker 4: It's just about finding them when and making sure their
Speaker 4: feet underneath them or not. And like I said, I
Speaker 4: feel they'll fit seamlessly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, what Boogie went through is so unique because,
Speaker 6: like you said, not just the level of injury is
Speaker 6: coming back from then getting injured again, but also it's
Speaker 6: his first year with a team that's a machine. So
Speaker 6: part of that Boogie is youtually like Okay, where do
Speaker 6: I fit in in all of this and trying to
Speaker 6: you know, be productive within that, trying to be yourself
Speaker 6: but also trying to be part of something bigger. For
Speaker 6: Lively and porzingis they know what their role is, they
Speaker 6: know where they fit.
Speaker 3: In, and all of this.
Speaker 1: KP's first year too look lovely to me is just
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, it's almost like just that
Speaker 1: extra time is good for him, and he's been fine,
Speaker 1: He's been in it this whole playoffs. But you really
Speaker 1: think KP is just not going to miss a step
Speaker 1: coming back. I mean you think for a long time.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's it's what boogies.
Speaker 6: It is conditioning because he can do as much cardio
Speaker 6: and stuff on the practice court, there's nothing like game shape.
Speaker 3: So he's going to have some conditioning issues.
Speaker 6: And if he has any sort of doubts about his leg,
Speaker 6: you know, because sometimes guys come back from an injury
Speaker 6: start favoring that leg or favoring that that you know,
Speaker 6: part of the body, and then the other side gets
Speaker 6: too much stress. Those are the things I would worry
Speaker 6: about for Porzingis. But in terms of the flow of
Speaker 6: the game, he knows, Yes, this is his first year
Speaker 6: in Boston, but you knows he's not trying to figure
Speaker 6: his way. He knows exactly how he fits in. It's
Speaker 6: just hey, can we get him in shape. And also
Speaker 6: the idea that look who they play in the finals. Obviously,
Speaker 6: most years, your finals matchup is gonna be your toughest matchup.
Speaker 3: But for this Celtics team in particular.
Speaker 6: What they've been through in these first three rounds is
Speaker 6: nowhere near what they're about to face in the finals.
Speaker 6: Regardless of whether it's Dallas or Minnesota, make some Miracans
Speaker 6: come back, you're going to play a vastly better team
Speaker 6: than what you've been facing in the first three rounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well look, I mean they certainly haven't needed Chriss
Speaker 1: Porzingis in these games. I do want to talk about
Speaker 1: this series a little bit. I mean, we said all
Speaker 1: year the Celtics haven't really been tested. Celtics cans feel
Speaker 1: like we can't win for losing. If we win by twenty,
Speaker 1: it's not good enough. If we struggle, it's not good enough.
Speaker 1: I feel like this series, even without Tyrese Haliburton in
Speaker 1: one of these games, and he will not play a
Speaker 1: Game four either, I feel like we have seen the
Speaker 1: Celtics be tested and answer the call. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like that? I mean, I mean, do you feel like
Speaker 1: we have finally seen what they could know? Not at all.
Speaker 3: No, here's the deal. Here's the deal. The reality is.
Speaker 1: Someone's saying that they've showed that they're champions. Yet I
Speaker 1: just feel like I've seen a little bit more from them.
Speaker 2: Okay, you tell me.
Speaker 6: Well, here's here's And obviously it takes two to tango.
Speaker 6: It can't just be one thing and not the other thing.
Speaker 6: So obviously the Celtics being able to make those plays,
Speaker 6: make those shots is big.
Speaker 3: But I'm watching in Indiana team that is.
Speaker 6: Giving it away and giving in a way in true youth,
Speaker 6: like they just don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: There's things there where it's like why would you do that?
Speaker 6: And not even like hey you missed that shot, or hey,
Speaker 6: uh you know you got you you turned it over,
Speaker 6: just like why would you do that? You know them
Speaker 6: hard In game two, you have a time out. No
Speaker 6: one's call a time out.
Speaker 1: Like allows fault. I'm sorry, that's not good.
Speaker 6: It is on but but knows he's players know when
Speaker 6: before we go out there, you tell them, hey, if
Speaker 6: you ain't got it.
Speaker 5: Got one time out so fast, you know, or siakam
Speaker 5: on that on that Jaylen Brown three.
Speaker 6: First of all, not getting the switch. Y'all know we
Speaker 6: switch everything on the end of game too, but they
Speaker 6: didn't switch there. And then your contest rather than at
Speaker 6: least get a hand up, you got your hand literally
Speaker 6: shoved up, your.
Speaker 1: Heads behind your back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, these are the things that look Jayleen Brown still
Speaker 6: has to make that shot.
Speaker 3: The Celtics still have to pressure them.
Speaker 1: Begin which, by the way, he was twenty two per
Speaker 1: on corner threes before that shot went up, So I
Speaker 1: would actually say, see made the right, call on not
Speaker 1: not fouling him. But yes, no, I mean it's not
Speaker 1: that game was the most sort of egregious of giving
Speaker 1: it away, giving away, giving it away I've made I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, they've made mistakes throughout. It's not even
Speaker 1: just that game, that Game two or whatever it was
Speaker 1: it was. They have made a bunch of youth errors.
Speaker 1: And I think we heard one of the guys say that.
Speaker 1: I think Tyree said that after Game two. He's like,
Speaker 1: we've showed our age here a little bit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, you know game three. You think about that
Speaker 6: holiday steal. That is that is almost that's that is
Speaker 6: a veteran preying upon the inexperience. Not only inexperience, but
Speaker 6: also it's about Andrew Nemhart. Forget about him being young.
Speaker 6: He's also never been in this situation like you're the
Speaker 6: guy now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's going.
Speaker 1: But that's what I was going to say, is that
Speaker 1: don't you think that this is a little bit about
Speaker 1: the Celtics though, too is somebody's putting the foot on
Speaker 1: their neck and that like Drew Holliday for example. Look,
Speaker 1: I think you could name three guys the MVP of
Speaker 1: this Eastern Conference Finals Tatum had a great series, Browns
Speaker 1: had a great series. True, Holliday Man has been awesome.
Speaker 1: He has had so many great moments in this series.
Speaker 1: You think that this is all just because of subpar competition,
Speaker 1: or you think, I don't know, but do you agree
Speaker 1: that that this is just it doesn't even care.
Speaker 2: I just for me.
Speaker 4: It is becoming kind of laughable how the narrative is
Speaker 4: now shifting for this Boston Celtics team.
Speaker 2: We've watched them dominate all year long.
Speaker 4: Since the beginning of the season, we've said, there's not
Speaker 4: a team in the East that can fuck with this
Speaker 4: Boston team. Now that we get to the Eastern Conference playoffs,
Speaker 4: it's like, well, they haven't been tested. We've been saying
Speaker 4: it all year. It's nobody that can match up with them.
Speaker 4: So we've been calling it all year. Boston is coming
Speaker 4: out of the East. It didn't matter how it was
Speaker 4: going to happen. We knew this team was coming out
Speaker 4: as far and as far as earlier in the year.
Speaker 4: It was really only two teams mentioned that could possibly
Speaker 4: be a threat, all the Sixers team and a healthy
Speaker 4: Milwaukee Bucks team.
Speaker 2: Nobody else in the East stood a chance.
Speaker 4: So obviously Obviously the Sixers weren't healthy, so that's by default.
Speaker 2: Obviously Milwaukee wasn't healthy, that's by default.
Speaker 4: Indiana had a miraculous run, but nobody thought they were
Speaker 4: coming out of the East. Bro Like, that's just that's facts,
Speaker 4: and it's okay, y'all had a great season, but reality
Speaker 4: kicked in. This Boston team is dominant. They are the
Speaker 4: most well put together team as far as defenders, the
Speaker 4: far as playmakers, as far as shooters, veterans, big man,
Speaker 4: they have a complete roster, they're the most well and
Speaker 4: they have a top notch coach to go along with that.
Speaker 2: So this team was built to be at this stage.
Speaker 2: They built this team specifically to be in the finals,
Speaker 2: and it's working. So I'm just confused as to now
Speaker 2: why we expected them to have more of a challenge
Speaker 2: throughout this run. Like it's been called since day one,
Speaker 2: they were going to sweep through everything and come out
Speaker 2: of the East. That's exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 4: So I'm just confused why we're expecting different results now,
Speaker 4: Like it's been said all.
Speaker 1: You think, so I'm saying I'm impressed with this series
Speaker 1: is the first one where I feel like, hey, you're
Speaker 1: showing me ingredients that an NBA champion needs. And that
Speaker 1: does not mean that they weren't playing well the first
Speaker 1: two rounds. There just wasn't really an opportunity to show
Speaker 1: those ingredients.
Speaker 2: And I kept saying, they've been tested, they've been tested.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't this season.
Speaker 4: Their trials and tribulations and their struggles have come from
Speaker 4: past seasons.
Speaker 2: They've been tested.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just now at the point where they're ready
Speaker 4: to be a championship team and they're showing it. Nobody
Speaker 4: in it. They've been tested. Like that's why I'm saying
Speaker 4: this narrative now it's laughable. Like we just talked about
Speaker 4: how they can never get over the hump. Now they're
Speaker 4: over in the hump, and it's like, oh, they haven't
Speaker 4: been tested.
Speaker 2: Like that's bullshit. Like they've been tested.
Speaker 4: They're here though they've arrived as a championship caliber Tye.
Speaker 2: They're here and now we're seeing the results up.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, can you say that you have
Speaker 1: you feel full knowledge of how good the Celtics are. See,
Speaker 1: I still feel like I need to see how they
Speaker 1: are against say Dallas or Minnesota to know yet how
Speaker 1: good they are. Because they just seem so good right now.
Speaker 1: And I can't tell if that's because of level of
Speaker 1: competition or because they actually are that good.
Speaker 3: But they've been so good, right, Like what you say
Speaker 3: they mean.
Speaker 1: All season, I mean historic point differentials.
Speaker 3: For years, for years, they've been.
Speaker 1: Six out of eight conference finals.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a that's a hell of a run
Speaker 3: when you think about that, right.
Speaker 1: I get it. That's here.
Speaker 3: It's easy to shut up conference finals. But that's insane.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, That's what I keep saying. I've said
Speaker 1: that for weeks. Six out of eight con ference finals
Speaker 1: is insane. But here's what we have been shown over
Speaker 1: the last eight years is that they weren't good enough
Speaker 1: to win a title. Right, So that's what we have
Speaker 1: been shown up until now, and we have not been
Speaker 1: to me prior to this round. I still wasn't shown
Speaker 1: anything that said, oh man, that is a title winning team,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't shown it in the previous eight years
Speaker 1: because they think you're seven years because they didn't get there,
Speaker 1: they didn't win it. So I know for fact they
Speaker 1: weren't good enough to win it because they didn't win it.
Speaker 1: That's how I know. That's how I know they weren't
Speaker 1: good enough. They didn't win it. So I know that.
Speaker 1: And in the first two rounds, it's not that I
Speaker 1: thought they fell short. There was just nothing to show me,
Speaker 1: like I didn't see it because it just wasn't available
Speaker 1: to be seen. In this round, I have seen more
Speaker 1: things that a title winning team needs to have. I
Speaker 1: still don't know if they can win it because they
Speaker 1: haven't done it yet, but at least to me, in
Speaker 1: this round, I have seen a few more things that
Speaker 1: a title team needs to have. Do you feel and
Speaker 1: mean that you have a full sense of who this
Speaker 1: team is yet or you still need to see them
Speaker 1: against tougher competition to know really who they are.
Speaker 3: I think it's well.
Speaker 6: The NBA, man, I'm gonna say this, I could define
Speaker 6: what tougher competition is. A team that's let's let's just
Speaker 6: start there. Let's let's play against someone a team that
Speaker 6: has its best player, right.
Speaker 2: Bro, that's the playoffs. You can't that's hype.
Speaker 4: We can't have hypothetical arguments in the playoffs. Injuries are
Speaker 4: part of the game. So that's like me saying, hey man,
Speaker 4: the Raptors got lucky that year that they want because
Speaker 4: everybody got they fucking won, Like, it's not their fault
Speaker 4: that our team got hurt.
Speaker 3: They want I'm not saying that it's their fault or whatever.
Speaker 6: I'm saying that if if you're a boxer, right, and
Speaker 6: the first three guys you fight are all we know
Speaker 6: that that dude.
Speaker 2: Is not well. Boxing is in the team sports. So
Speaker 2: that's not a good.
Speaker 6: Example, but it is in this sense. It's it's okay,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna listen first. I listen first, then interrupt quite
Speaker 6: a bunch of opponents that we know, they just they
Speaker 6: just what they call them tomato cans and just throw
Speaker 6: them out there so you.
Speaker 3: Can, yeah, ye your next fight.
Speaker 6: Like, so, so here's a great like Jake Paul, Right,
Speaker 6: you fight a bunch of dudes that ain't really that.
Speaker 6: Now you're gonna fight Mike Tyson. That's a different animal. Man,
Speaker 6: that is a different animal.
Speaker 3: You're fighting something like seventy Now. Still I still I
Speaker 3: still have him over everybody. Jake Paul's fount in his.
Speaker 1: Life, right, I'm getting.
Speaker 3: In that same in that same thing, right. Yeah, injuries
Speaker 3: are part of it.
Speaker 6: And if they play whoever in the finals, and that
Speaker 6: that team has injuries and they win, I can't put
Speaker 6: an asterisk or whatever.
Speaker 3: They won the title.
Speaker 6: But the reality is Rachel's asking me, have they been tested?
Speaker 6: I'm saying, if you're being tested by Andrew Nemhard and
Speaker 6: Isaiah Jackson, what are you gonna do when you play
Speaker 6: them guys? Like, what are you gonna do when that
Speaker 6: test comes up? Because that's not the same kind of test.
Speaker 6: And that's the part where going back to six out
Speaker 6: of eight years of the last eight years, Rachel, they
Speaker 6: have are you saying where they don't answer that call
Speaker 6: when it comes, when push comes to shove, and and
Speaker 6: when they haven't. It's not like they've they've crumbled against
Speaker 6: teams that weren't good. They they've got beat by, they
Speaker 6: got beat by the Wards Warriors are just better right
Speaker 6: at that moment.
Speaker 3: The heat last year was just better.
Speaker 6: But this is different when you're what you've can go
Speaker 6: in through is not reality. It's not so reality is
Speaker 6: gonna show up and you're gonna have to be able
Speaker 6: to make those right plays, those right executions, right those
Speaker 6: right defensive rotations. You can't be sloppy like they've been
Speaker 6: against Indiana because when Indiana, you give Indiana opportunities, they
Speaker 6: find a way to fuck it up anyway.
Speaker 3: Dallas ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 6: You funk around like that against them, They're gonnare gonna
Speaker 6: be down three to zero in a series.
Speaker 1: You're gonna find out. I believe the man said, fuck
Speaker 1: around and find out? What do you think you do?
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 4: I just I disagree because in a sense, I'm reading
Speaker 4: between the lines here, and it's almost the language that
Speaker 4: I'm hearing is that they've had an easy route throughout
Speaker 4: the playoffs, and there is no easy route in the playoffs,
Speaker 4: Like how about easier?
Speaker 2: I you can go down history. Let's just go down history.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy because we've been kind of talking about
Speaker 4: this before the show.
Speaker 2: And the.
Speaker 4: Most recent team with the so called easiest path to
Speaker 4: the finals was the twenty twenty three Nuggets first round
Speaker 4: forty two and forty ten, Beerwolves, second round forty five
Speaker 4: and thirty seven Sons, some.
Speaker 3: Team that beat them the couple of years.
Speaker 4: Before though Conference finals forty three and thirty nine Lakers.
Speaker 4: The conversation was never, but the conversation was never, Oh,
Speaker 4: they had an easy route, Like, it's the playoffs. It's
Speaker 4: the most recent team before that. Let me finish the
Speaker 4: most recent team before that, the twenty thirteen Heat let
Speaker 4: them finish first round thirty eight and forty four bucks
Speaker 4: below five hundred, second round forty five and thirty seven
Speaker 4: Bulls Conference Finals forty nine to thirty two pacers. It's
Speaker 4: nothing that's jumping out on the paper to where but
Speaker 4: these same championship teams aren't getting this slack that everybody.
Speaker 4: And on top of that, when it comes to the playoffs,
Speaker 4: you do your work early throughout the regular season. You
Speaker 4: want to get a number one seed for a reason,
Speaker 4: so you do have an easier path to end the playoffs.
Speaker 4: You want to play the worst team compared to the
Speaker 4: best team when it comes to competing for a championship.
Speaker 4: That's the whole point of being the number one seed.
Speaker 4: So we're now upset that they did all their work
Speaker 4: early in the regular season, became the number one seed
Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference, and they just so happened to
Speaker 4: run through all these rudy pool as teams in.
Speaker 2: These how is it? There? Fucking this is how is that?
Speaker 6: Or not?
Speaker 2: To the Celtics.
Speaker 6: Now, I'm gonna tell you what the difference is. Let
Speaker 6: me take Denver as an example. You name the teams
Speaker 6: they played on the way to the finals. Absolutely, you
Speaker 6: know what the difference is. Anthony Edwards played in the
Speaker 6: first round, Devin Booker played in the second round, and
Speaker 6: Lebron James played in the third round. And now, if
Speaker 6: I'm looking at who they played against in the Celtics,
Speaker 6: the best player has been missing. Jimmy Butler missed the
Speaker 6: entirety of the Heat series Donovan Mitchell this year.
Speaker 3: Bro, let's keep it. I'm not saying that wasn't changing shit.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Jimmy had played, they would have won.
Speaker 6: I'm saying the reason why people are saying their path
Speaker 6: has been easier isn't because.
Speaker 3: Oh, they played bad teams.
Speaker 6: It's because they're playing teams that are missing their best player.
Speaker 3: That's a big difference from just playing teams that were.
Speaker 4: Just better than I heard the same language the year
Speaker 4: that Kawhi came down and rolled his ankle against the Warriors.
Speaker 4: I heard the same language. And look what the Warriors
Speaker 4: turned into. So what the fuck does that mean? Because
Speaker 4: teams are injured, that doesn't mean anything. It's still the NBA.
Speaker 4: The Warriors turned into a dynasty.
Speaker 3: And Andrew Nemhart and Tyres Halliburtnon had no difference there.
Speaker 4: Like it's easier to be I'm not saying it's not
Speaker 4: a difference. I'm not saying it's not a difference. But
Speaker 4: they're a playoff team and they're there for a reason. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's no not to the Celtics. There's no knock to
Speaker 4: the Celtics.
Speaker 1: Here's love. It's one AM in Taiwan. Buggy is in
Speaker 1: the middle of the finals, in the middle of the finals,
Speaker 1: and he came with receipts despite being one AM, despite
Speaker 1: him being in the middle of a finals playoff series,
Speaker 1: He's got the records of every team and who they
Speaker 1: played through every run to the finals. That is impressive.
Speaker 1: I am just saying, forget finals a VP. Maybe going
Speaker 1: for that, but you were also podcast MVP this week.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, the man came with receipts and we
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