WEBVTT - CZM Rewind: White Terror 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:07.960 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:13.680 Hey, Molly Hunger here, it's a holiday again. So even 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:15.760 though it's only been a few weeks since the last 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.520 time I said it was a little awkward to be 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.000 scrounging around for a rerun in a back catalog of 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.840 episodes that's only a few months deep. There I am again. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.400 What can you do? It's not my fault. We pack 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.520 all our big holidays in so close together at the 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.960 end of the year, so there's no new Weird Little 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.680 Guy this week. This is an episode you may have 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.919 already listened to in the relatively recent past. The episode 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:44.559 I chose for this holiday rerun isn't exactly festive. It 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.159 has nothing to do with Christmas at all, and to 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:51.680 be honest, it's probably not great holiday listening. It's really depressing. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.040 But I picked it for a reason. Earlier this month, 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.560 there was a school shooting in Wisconsin. There are a 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.400 lot of school shootings in America, more than two hundred 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.240 of them in twenty twenty four alone, according to data 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.200 from the gun violence prevention group every Town for Gun Safety. 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.920 And as I'm writing this, just a few days after 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.000 it happened and a week before you'll hear it, there's 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.280 a lot we still don't know about the shooting at 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:23.080 the Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin. A teacher 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.640 and a fourteen year old student were killed. Five more 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:31.399 students and one teacher were injured. The shooter, a fifteen 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.520 year old girl, took her own life a few minutes later. 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:40.040 Maybe this will have changed by next week, but today 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.200 we don't know for certain if the manifesto being circulated 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.680 online is authentic. Normally I wouldn't comment at all on 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.800 a document of unknown origin, but a number of listeners 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.000 have reached out to ask about a particular line, and 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.320 regardless of whether this turns out to have been authored 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.600 by the shooter herself, I was startled to see a 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:05.920 familiar name, Arda kosukietin the document refers to him as 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:12.200 the Ultimate Saint. It's chillingly specific language about a relatively 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.200 obscure figure one I talk a little bit about in 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.040 the episode You're about to hear. In August of twenty 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.680 twenty four, he stabbed several people outside of a mosque 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:26.560 in Turkey. In his manifesto, he states quite clearly that 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.920 he was motivated to carry out this attack by a 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:34.480 group called the Terogram collective the subject of this episode, 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.880 his name is almost entirely unknown outside of that very 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:43.040 small circle of online mass murder enthusiasts. I revisited a 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.920 thread today about the attack that was posted on Turkish 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.680 social media back when had happened just weeks after the incident. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:55.000 One poster lamented that in less than a month it 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.320 was forgotten, but this week after the shooting in Wisconsin, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.480 that threat is active again, with Turkish posters writing even 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.560 in Turkey he was forgotten and unknown overnight and asking 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.960 how a child in Wisconsin would even come to know 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:16.640 his name, let alone idolize him. Another user wrote, I 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.680 learned that a teenage school shooter in America took as 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.800 an example someone we make fun of in Turkey whose 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.960 name we don't even know, who attacks elderly people in 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.520 a mosque. This person we call a loser in Turkey 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:35.440 has become someone a teenager in America admires. The authenticity 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.120 of this alleged manifesto is still uncertain, but if it 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.960 is truly the work of a suicidal teenage girl who 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:46.119 took two lives before ending her own, describing arda Kosukiya 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:51.400 team as a saint, sets off alarm bells. Two of 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.360 the people behind the Terogram Collective may be behind bars now, 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.760 but their propaganda can still kill. So with that in mind, 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.960 here's an episode I recorded back in September. I'll be 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:13.240 back next year with more weird little guys. It was 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.080 a little after seven pm on a warm Wednesday evening 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:20.279 in October of twenty twenty two. Urai Van Koulik and 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.040 Matushorvath were sitting outside of Teplaren, a gay bar and 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:28.360 brought us lavas city center. Matusche was studying Chinese at 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.720 a nearby university. You or I was a drag performer 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.440 whose day job was designing the displays at a clothing store. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.640 They were enjoying the evening outside of one of the 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.920 city's few dedicated queer spaces, and then they were dead. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.479 They were shot by a teenager who left behind a 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.120 sixty five page neo Nazi manifesto before shooting himself in 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.320 a nearby park. August twelfth, twenty twenty four, was a 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:57.039 sunny afternoon in the Turkish city of his Kishiher. A 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.000 teenager wearing a skull mask and a bulletproof vest walked 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.360 into the tea garden outside of a mosque and stabbed 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.839 five men before being tackled to the ground. He too 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.359 left a manifesto glorifying mass murder. In July of twenty 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.839 twenty four, a teenager in New Jersey who'd been planning 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.960 to destroy power substations in New Brunswick was arrested at 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.320 the Newer airport before he'd fly to Ukraine to join 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.839 the Russian Volunteer Corps, where he hoped to learn the 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.240 skills he'd need to carry out acts of terror here 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:28.440 at home. These three teenagers never met, but they had 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:33.120 something in common. A murderer in Slovakia, an attempted murderer 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.200 in Turkey. They were alone when they walked the familiar 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.839 streets of their town, stalking their victims. They were alone 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.560 when they shock, They were alone when they stabbed. They 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:47.040 hunted human prey as lone wolves. But there are no 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.640 lone wolves, not really. The wolf Pack is online now, 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:53.280 baying for more blood. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.080 Between nineteen sixty eight twenty one, one hundred and five 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.520 white men and women of Action have taken it upon 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:08.200 themselves to wage war against the system and our racial enemies. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.240 Our saints are the best of our brothers, and this 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.080 is our legacy of white terror. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.760 All three of these young men were incited to take 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:22.039 action by propaganda produced by the Terragram Collective, a one 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.839 synonymous group of militant neo Nazi accelerationists on the messaging 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.800 app Telegram. All three of them were radicalized by a 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.839 thirty four year old dildo saleswoman from California, narrating the 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:39.280 manifestos of their idols, the mass shooters who came before them. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:07:00.400 I'm Molly Conger and this is weird, little guys. Yurai 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.800 Krachik died by suicide sometime overnight after he murdered two 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.839 people outside of a gay bar and brought us lava 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:10.080 on October twelfth, twenty twenty two. His body was found 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.120 in a nearby public park early the next morning, but 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:17.920 he didn't shoot himself right away. After fleeing the scene, 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.520 he got online. That was where he was most at home, 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.240 after all, that was where he became the man he 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.280 was in the moment he fired those shots. A few 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:32.840 hours before the attack, he tweeted out links to his manifesto. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.520 After fleeing the scene of the shooting, he went home. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.240 He told his parents what he had done. They argued, 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:43.600 but no one called the police. He left a handwritten 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.080 suicide note, retrieved a second gun from his father's safe, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.320 and left the house again. His parents were the last 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:56.240 ones to see him alive. The city was crawling with 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.920 police that night. They were on high alert for the shooter, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.240 worried he would act again, but even now that he 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.760 was armed with a fresh weapon, he didn't seek out 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.840 more targets. Krazik walked to a local park and checked 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.520 four chan on his phone. People were talking about him 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.920 about his attack. He wanted to see what they were saying. 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.360 Four Chan users quickly connected the shooting to his Twitter account. 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.800 As he'd walked home after the attack, he tweeted hashtag 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:30.960 brought a Slava feeling no regrets? Isn't that funny? On 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.760 four Chan, they were already discussing the manifesto he'd tweeted out. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.280 One poster asked why would a Slovakian write his manifesto 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.480 in English? And this was the first post the shooter 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:48.959 replied to He wrote, because I felt like it. If 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.760 you're familiar with four chan, first of all, i'm sorry, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.320 but if you've spent any time on there, you know 0:08:55.400 --> 0:09:00.000 it's not a friendly place, and not just unfriendly to outside. 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.400 Even people who share similar ideologies are at each other's throats, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.080 hurling insults, and engaging in an eternal competition to be 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.400 the nastiest person with an Internet connection. Posters mocked the 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.800 shooter for killing only two people and asked why he'd 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:19.120 chosen such low value targets. Even as they celebrated the 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.480 deaths of his victims. They bullied the shooter for not 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.280 doing more, for not doing it better, for not doing 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:30.560 it differently. They were Monday Morning quarterbacking murder Life is 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.760 just a first person shooter game for the keyboard Warrior 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:40.080 mass shooting enthusiast. To these comments, Krazil replied that he'd 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.880 wanted to shoot the Slovakian Prime Minister at Ward Hager, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.600 writing wish I could have gone higher, but whatever wanted 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.679 to bag the Prime Minister, but I didn't get lucky 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.880 with his car arriving later. News reports do in fact 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.280 confirm that he was seen that evening on security camera 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.200 footage outside the Prime Minister's home an hour before the shooting. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.520 The same news report maps out his walk home after 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.040 the shooting, a route that took him through a largely 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:10.200 Jewish neighborhood. Rejik lamented on four Chan that night that 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.280 he had wanted to shoot the Kabbad house too, but 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.559 he'd run out of ammunition, writing wish I could pull 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:21.920 off more got nearly no amm o bro. Posters on 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.719 four Chan were skeptical that the man replying to them 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.640 was truly the shooter himself, and demanded that he post 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:31.360 some kind of proof. A little after eleven thirty p m. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.680 Four hours after fleeing the scene of the shooting, he did. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.440 It's dark wherever he was. You can't see anything in 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.760 the background. The flash illuminates only the subject of the selfie. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:49.840 He's completely expressionless. There's no smile, no bravado, no fear 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:54.760 even there's just nothing. He's looking straight at the camera, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.560 holding his phone with one hand and making a finger 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.000 gun that points directly at the viewer with the other. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:06.360 Have a last selfie, he says. Most of his posts 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.640 on the four Chan thread that night are in English, 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.360 it is the lingua franca of the site, after all, 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.359 but one user responds to this selfie in Slovak translated. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.480 The comment reads, what happened boy? Why don't you smile anymore? 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.120 Reality set in? Did you fall for the meme stupid right. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.160 The shooter replied to that comment in Slovak, saying, speak 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:35.600 for yourself. In attaching a second selfie, he's smiling this time, 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.720 kind of. It's hard to say you feel any sorrow 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.040 for a man who just murdered two people in cold 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.520 blood and then logged onto four chan to take credit 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:51.040 for it. And I don't, not really, not for this murderer, 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.640 But he was just a boy once, a boy whose 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.599 fake smile shows the still slightly rounded cheeks of a 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.079 kid who won't live to see the last adolescent chaining 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:04.480 to his face his forced smile, a smile that doesn't 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.080 reach the eyes in that selfie taken in the dark, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.160 somewhere in the trees on the edge of town, will 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:14.400 probably stay with me for a while. He engages with 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.720 the four chan thread for nearly an hour, answering questions 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.920 and repeatedly acquiescing to demands for proof that it's really him. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.520 He posts a picture of a handwritten note with the 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.680 time and date, posts another selfie, this time with his 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.880 shoe on top of his head. This is a common 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.560 form of proof demanded on four Chan to determine if 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.000 you are really interacting with someone who is who they 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.200 say they are, and in real time. I guess the 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.680 idea is that most people have a shoe nearby, but 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.920 most people don't have old photos of themselves online with 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.840 a shoe on their head. So if you can produce 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.280 such a photo on request, you probably are the person 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.000 in the photo and not just someone using photos of 0:12:56.000 --> 0:13:00.280 a stranger that you found online. Another user asked him 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.960 to spell out the N word and leaves on the 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.959 ground and post a picture of that. He says it 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.079 would take too long to spell out the whole word 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.760 and posts a blurry photo of leaves arranged in the 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:14.280 shape of the letter N. Another user asks him what's 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.360 going through your mind right now, and he says, sad 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.440 for my family, happy with my own life. Nothing for 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:28.880 the two f slurs soon a bit of lead. Another 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.480 user asks if he plans to spend decades in prison 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.679 or if he'll kill himself. He replies with two words 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:42.840 and hero, which is memespeak for dying by suicide. His 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.439 last four Chan post was shortly before midnight. Four Chen 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.920 users are perpetually caught in between their desire for and 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:54.160 celebration of acts like this and their frustration that this 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.120 kind of thing makes them all look bad, you know, 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.599 it makes them look like exactly what they are, the 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.760 kind of people goading a teenage murderer into killing himself. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.679 One poster writes, you have made everyone on this board 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.720 look like a terrorist? Is that what you wanted? Also 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:18.400 repent hell is real? His reply his final post reads 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:24.720 only not my problem. On Twitter, his final post was 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.840 a little after midnight in Slovak, he wrote, see you 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.760 on the other side. A Slovak language news report says 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.960 that two days before the attack, he had called a 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:40.360 mental health crisis hotline. He said, I have to die, 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.160 but I am very afraid, and then he hung up. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.400 But in his final hours he didn't call back. He 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.440 didn't call that hotline. He didn't turn himself in or 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.080 seek help. He sought reassurance and support from the place 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.360 least likely to provide it. He logged onto four Chan, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.920 hoping to see his acts hailed as heroic, but they 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:07.760 just laughed at him. He was dead before terogram canonized him, 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:13.840 placing him in the pantheon of terror. He worshiped. Authorities 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.240 in Slovakia weren't able to ping his cell phone location 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.640 until five am. The cell phone provider didn't have any 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.880 employees working overnight. His body was found in the park 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.840 around seven am. It's not clear exactly when he died, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.800 but if I had to put money on it, I'd 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.920 guess he died in real life shortly after he logged off. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:39.320 He posted right up through the end, and that's all 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.800 we really knew. In October of twenty twenty two, the 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.320 manifesto was online for all to see. In the manifesto, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.680 he includes the Terogram Collective in his list of special 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.160 thanks at the end, writing you know who you are. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.000 Thank you for your incredible writing and art, for your 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.880 political texts, for your practical guides building the future of 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.840 the White Revolution one publication at a time. In the 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.520 section of the manifesto under the header recommended reading, he 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.960 lists many of the usual suspects. He was inspired by 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.440 the christ Church Mosque shooting and recommends that shooter's manifesto. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.000 He praises the terrorist's bible, William Luther Pierce's novel The 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.840 Turner Diaries, and even recommends the prequel, an even sloppier 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:27.560 novel called Hunter, But he also recommends two other lesser 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.320 known publications. Two of the four publications authored by the 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:36.840 Terrogram Collective. He lists these two Militant Accelerationism and the 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:41.640 Hard Reset, last, writing, if the other books give a 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.480 theoretical and fictional base for our resistance, these two provide 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.640 the practical means for it. They also go into a 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.600 deeper dive into some issues, concepts, and things. Anyone who 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.200 seeks to fight Zog should know. These two may be 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.720 harder to find than the other books I listed, but 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.680 you can find them if you look in the right places. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.200 The link between the Broadus Lava Shooting and the Teogram 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.840 Collective was never a secret. It was right there all along. 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.760 He said it himself. He recommended their propaganda and thanked 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.240 them in the acknowledgments. But when he was posting on 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:21.560 Fortune that night, he lied about something earlier. In this 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.399 Murderer's Q and a session, someone asked him, have you 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.920 been talking to some other people over telegram, discord or signal? 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.040 And he replies, made my own decision to do this. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:37.080 I had barely any dms with people on telegram or wherever. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.440 And he later followed up with their channel owners. Hence 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.480 the Annan part. Don't know their names. They produced good content, 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:50.000 though Craigich was trying to backtrack on his initial post 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.080 that he'd exchanged direct messages with anyone in the lead 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.680 up to the attack. The truth, as it turns out, 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.240 is that he wasn't just reading the material produced by 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:03.760 the teogram Collis, he was in active communication with its leaders. 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.800 This teenage murderer in Slovakia hadn't just posted his manifesto 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:13.119 online before the attack. He'd also sent it directly to 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.520 someone immediately after. He wanted to be certain that his 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.080 message got out, so he sent it to someone he 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.440 knew would spread it, someone who had helped him craft it. 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.280 He sent the manifesto to Matthew Allison, a man in 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:35.119 his thirties living in Boise, Idaho, earlier this month. In 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.000 September of twenty twenty four, Matthew Allison of Boise and 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.200 Dallas Humber of Elk Grove, California, were arrested in charge 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.240 in a fifteen count indictment with soliciting hate crimes, soliciting 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:50.520 the murder of federal officials, interstate threats, distributing information relating 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:56.080 to explosives, and conspiring to provide material support to terrorists. 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.359 The pair are alleged to be the ringleaders of the 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:04.000 Terragram Collective, that association of pseudonymous posters on Telegram that 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:08.280 produce neo Nazi accelerationist propaganda, and now, according to the 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.280 Department of Justice, the Teogram Collective can also be called 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:17.240 a transnational terrorist group. According to the allegations in the indictment, 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.800 Krajik was an active member of the group's chat for 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:36.320 a year leading up to the shooting. And I guess 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.879 I should back up a little bit and explain a 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.320 little more about what's going on in these chats, as 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:47.560 much as I would really rather not. There are plenty 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:51.000 of Nazi chat rooms. There is no shortage of places 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.479 online where a racial slur enthusiast can log on and 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.560 share ideas with other guys who hate black people and 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:01.760 Jewish people, and gay people and immigrants and women and whatever. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:06.760 Pick your flavor. It's out there in abundance. This is 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:11.800 something much darker. These are accelerationists, people who believe their 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.679 goals can only be achieved by driving society over the 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.840 brink and into total collapse. They believe that acts of 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:22.320 mass murder, terrorism, and destruction are the necessary course of 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:26.200 action to create the chaos required to allow a new 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.720 world to be born, a world built by and four 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.840 white men alone, and they aren't just talking about it. 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:39.440 The Terogram Collective has produced a series of what would 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:46.920 you call them, manuals, manifestos, zines, terrorism handbooks. They've put 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.159 out four written publications in one short documentary, all directed 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:55.640 at providing both inspiration and explicit instruction on how their 0:20:55.640 --> 0:21:01.040 followers can commit acts of unspeakable violence. In the online spaces, 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:05.080 past acts are celebrated. One of the core elements of 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:11.120 the group's shared language is this pantheon of saints. It's 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:16.679 not the saints you're thinking of. This is a gruesome hagiography. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:22.480 They've canonized mass shooters. They celebrate the Saint Day of 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:27.200 each shooter on the day of their atrocity. Robert Bowers, Unders, 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:31.320 Bravic Dylan Rue, Brenton Terran, Patrick Crusius, Anton London Peterson, 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:36.040 murderers from infamous to obscure, murderers from all over the world. 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:43.520 The criteria for sainthood are fivefold, race, motive, intent, score, 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:50.159 and worldview. The prospective saint must, of course, be white. 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.280 There is occasionally some debate in the Nazi community about 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.840 whether they should offer their begrudging respect for non white 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.960 mass murderers who nevertheless kill large numbers of people they 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:05.439 deem worthy targets, but the answer is generally no. So 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:08.520 while they would celebrate something like the Pulse night club shooting, 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.040 which killed nearly fifty people, most of whom were both 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:15.000 Latino and members of the queer community, that perpetrator cannot 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.720 be celebrated as a saint because he fails the first test. 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:25.040 He isn't white. Intent, motive, and worldview all feel like 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.000 they kind of describe the same thing. So I'm not 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:31.000 sure why there are five criteria when they probably could 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.160 have condensed it down to three. But the attack must 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:39.200 be deliberate, that's intent, committed in the spirit of our struggle, 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:43.880 that's motive, and be motivated by a white nationalist ideology. 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.520 Though they are willing to make some exceptions. There's a 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.680 little wiggle room here for attacks that are right wing 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:56.080 but not explicitly neo Nazi. And score means exactly what 0:22:56.160 --> 0:23:01.960 you probably think it means. They're keeping score, they're counting bodies. 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:06.679 Sometimes if you log into the worst kind of place 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.400 during an active attack or in the immediate aftermath of one, 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.719 you'll see eager speculation that someone could be getting a 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.880 new high score like it's some kind of video game, 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.400 and there are no exceptions to this requirement. You cannot 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:27.240 become a terrogram saint with a score of zero. Someone 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:33.120 has to die. These ideas didn't originate with Matthew Allison 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.240 and Dallas Humber. Both of them have been members of 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.040 this online community for years since at least twenty nineteen. 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:41.960 In twenty twenty two, after the arrest of one of 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:45.359 the community's most prolific posters, they became the group's leaders. 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:51.200 A user who posted as Slovak Bro, Pavel Benedikue, was 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:54.400 arrested in Slovakia in early twenty twenty two and eventually 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.960 sentenced to six years in prison for his support of terrorism, 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.320 and Slovak Bro isn't the the only Tarogram author to 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:05.639 land himself in prison. Brandon Russell, the Adam Woffin founder, 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.600 currently awaiting trial on charges of conspiracy to blow up 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:11.639 the power grid in Baltimore, was in close communication with 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:16.199 members of the group before and after his arrest. He 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.520 appears to have participated in the creation of at least 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:22.119 some of the group's work. Two men in Canada were 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.960 arrested last fall with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police press 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.199 release alleging that they too had participated in the creation 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:33.000 of Tarogram manifestos. Their cases are ongoing and subject to 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.560 a publication ban in Canada, so the extent of their 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:39.320 involvement and the possibility that revelations in those cases had 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:41.800 some bearing on the investigation here in the US is 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:47.080 unknown right now, as the leaders of the Tarogram collective, 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.760 Dallas Humber and Matthew Allison, are alleged to have directly 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:54.160 contributed to acts of terrorism all over the world. Their 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:57.960 publications provided detailed instructions on how to make bombs, how 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.159 to make napalm at home with materials you can by 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:03.040 at the hardware store, the most efficient way to destroy 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:06.960 an electrical substation with rifle fire, and how to identify 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:11.240 the most valuable targets in your area, targets that could 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:18.000 be infrastructure or human. They maintained a document called the List, 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:23.200 a list of high value assassination targets. For each name 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.520 on the list, there was a little graphic like a 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:30.200 trading card. The target's name, home address, and photograph were 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.440 always featured, along with the reasons why they were considered 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:37.200 an enemy of the cause. Those reasons, as you might expect, 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.840 tended to be related to the target's identity. They're Jewish, 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:44.359 they're gay, they're an immigrant, or some other kind of 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:51.120 undesirable in their eyes. The names on the list include senators, judges, 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:55.080 a former federal prosecutor, state and local government officials, and 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:59.920 nonprofit employees. In their chats, they posted the list off 0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.600 and would sometimes post individual members of the list alongside 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:08.600 encouragement to take action. In one exchange described in the indictment, 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.399 a member of the group chat asked if there were 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.080 any members of the list located in his area. The 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.840 administrator of the group responded with a trading card image 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:18.920 for a target in a city in the posters area. 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:23.440 The user replied, we already have this one, and asked 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.240 the channel administrator to tag him if any new names 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.840 were added to the list in his area. A user 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:34.720