1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Welcome into the season finale of Giants Hangouts, brought to 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: you by Crestrawn. My name is Madeline Burke, as always 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: joined by Russ Salzburg and Matt Sietek and as a 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: season finale treat to you all. We are three in 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: the same room for this one, at the same desk. 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: All huddle up, three p's in a pod here as 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: we recap the twenty twenty four season that was in 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: the big news of course, Giants finishing the year three 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: and fourteen on the season. But John Marrow wasting no 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: time Monday morning coming out with a statement saying in 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: part that the team is retaining head coach Brian Dable 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: and general manager Joe Shane moving forward. We heard from 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: John Marra about the decision. We heard from Brian Dable, 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: we heard from Joe Shane, We've heard from players as 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: we recap the twenty twenty four season that was, and 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: the consensus, guys seems that you know what, Yes, three 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: wins not enough, but they are staying in the course 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: and committed to the process of moving forward with the planet. 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: Hand Listen as we talk amongst ourselves in the dining 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: room here there, everywhere, I've said all along, I believed 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: that Joe and Brian would be back. I'm glad they're back. 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: The easiest thing, you know, is to appease the what 23 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: I call the loud minority, and the loud minority is, well, 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: we got to make this change. We got to make 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: that change. And a lot of that is stirred up 26 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: by certain people in the media. To me, how many 27 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: times did we mention on the hangout that we've been 28 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: in the locker room. We see what's going on. It's 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: a good locker room. There's never been a demoralized locker room. Sure, 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: the guys are angry when they lose a game, they're 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 2: very upset about three and fourteen, but they never quit 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: on Dave's and that's very important. And as John said, 33 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: continuity is very important. You don't change for the sake 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: of making a change. That can sound good, it can 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: sound sexy, but that's not the way it's done. And 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: some people are not going to like me saying that, 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: but that's reality. And they made the decision to let's 38 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: move forward and get this thing straightened out. And when 39 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: you listen to Joe and Brian talking, they're confident of 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: getting the job done. 41 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one hundred percent. I mean we heard 42 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: from all three of them, mister Mahra, Brian Davil, Joe Shane, 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 3: and all three acknowledged that this season just nothing was 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 3: good enough from top to bottom. You know, between coach 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 3: and Joe, they both you know, took responsibility for their 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: own parts of you know, the Giants going three and fourteen, 47 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: but they made it very clear nobody was happy with 48 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: how the season went. There results, but they think that 49 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: there are pieces in place to build upon to get 50 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: to the Giants where they need to go or whether 51 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: everyone wants them to be in twenty twenty five, and 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: you know, even beyond and even going back to last 53 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 3: week in the locker room with a lot of the players, 54 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: and then especially this morning when we heard from the 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: players right after you know, the Giants put the statement 56 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: out that both Brian and Joe would be back. Every 57 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: single player that spoke was happy everyone that they would 58 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 3: be back, and had a single one of them that 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: at least we heard from, wanted a change in the 60 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: head coach or the GM. They were all happy with it. 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: So I know, you know, as you mentioned, there's you know, 62 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 3: a segment of the fan base that we know will 63 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: not be happy with this decision. But at the end 64 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 3: of the day, the locker room, the players, they are 65 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: happy about it, and at the end of the day, 66 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: that is, in my opinion, the most important part of 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: this whole decision. 68 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: A lot of different guys mentioned the word continuity being 69 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: so important. Like you said, and Andrew Thomas, one of 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: the captains of this team, who yes went out with 71 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 1: the list frank foot injury, but he said, I think 72 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: we have buy in. I think we have the right guys. 73 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: We've just got to continue to add some pieces and 74 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: be consistent. And like you said, you know, this locker room, 75 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: we've all been around this team for several years and 76 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: seen some of the ups and downs, but this locker 77 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: room really stuck together despite a lot of the adversity. 78 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: And many of the guys in that locker room have said, 79 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, I've talked to them today and have said, yeah, 80 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, we've just got a really good group in here, 81 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: and we're committed to this process. And it's frustrating, of 82 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: course for a lot of Giants fans out there. It's 83 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: frustrating for John Mara, you know, I mean. 84 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: He says where you said, that he. 85 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Was standing there earlier today saying, listen, nobody is more 86 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: frustrated than I am right now. But he also acknowledges 87 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: he said, hey, we know I've made that decision before 88 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: of saying, all right, we're going to pull the rug 89 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: and start this over. But he acknowledged that sometimes when 90 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: you hit the reset, you take one step forward, two 91 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: steps back, one step forward, two steps back, And he 92 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: said sometimes a little bit of patience is required, and 93 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: that's what he's trying to do. And he says, if 94 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: you know this time next year, you know we're standing 95 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: in the same position, then I'll take the heat. But 96 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: right now, I do believe in these guys. 97 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: Hey, you know you bring up John Mara and the fans. 98 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: I get it. We always understand when fans are frustrated. 99 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: Nobody knows that, and John will tell you. John Mara 100 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: will tell you nobody knows it better than him. But 101 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: I also can tell all of you fans out there this, 102 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: and I know there are many of you Giant fans 103 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: out there. Nobody, but nobody takes the losing of Giants 104 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 2: games harder than John Mara nobody. And his father was 105 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: the same way, and he's the same way. They take 106 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: it personally because that's their life. They live with it 107 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: every day. So when it just bothers me. And if 108 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: you want to accuse me of of waving big blue 109 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: pomp poms, that's fine. But you know, you can fly 110 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: planes over head, you can do all that nonsense. But 111 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, nobody cares about the fans more than 112 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: the Mara family and the Tish family as well. 113 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that feels pretty evident. I 114 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: feel like, yeah, you know, even for the fans that 115 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: are unhappy, they can't argue with that fact, I mean. 116 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 3: But even more so, like everyone in this building wants 117 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: the Giants to get better, and obviously from top to 118 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: bottom and every department on every side of the building, 119 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: like everyone is doing their own part and just helping 120 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: move forward and get the Giants to where we all want. 121 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: It to be, right, and a consistent key in doing that, 122 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: of course, and something that was echoed in every media 123 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: availability we heard from John Marra, from Brian Dable to 124 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: Joe Shane is the importance of getting a quarterback. The 125 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: Giants going into twenty twenty five have no quarterback under 126 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: contract currently and that is a big positional need, and 127 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: they have all said and echoed the idea of whether 128 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: it be through free agency or the draft, there needs 129 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: to be that is the most important piece in building 130 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: this team moving forward, and that is something that they're 131 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: zeroed in on, and you know, the process of doing 132 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: that is going to be important too. And that's the 133 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: process is also something that John Merhra acknowledged and said, Hey, 134 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen the personnel process functioning as well as 135 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: I have under Joe Shane, which is a lot of 136 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: the reason that went into this decision for him as well. 137 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: But this process and this draft process, Joe Shane, we 138 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: just heard him speak as well talking about how his 139 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: scouts have been so imperative. Last year's draft, they had 140 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: a player taken from each of his steps territories, which 141 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: is a unique situation too. So they are going out 142 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: there meeting with the players. But in terms of the quarterback, 143 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: the importance on not just the tape and who this 144 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: quarterback is on the field, but getting to know this 145 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: guy as a person and spending significant time with these prospects, 146 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: whether it be in the draft or free agency, is 147 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: going to be an important approach. 148 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: Bang on, listen, we all know there's no defending three 149 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: and fourteen. Joe won't defend it, John Marrow won't defend it. 150 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: Days won't defend it. They all said, it's on me, 151 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: It's on me, It's on me. But if we're going 152 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: to talk about that, let's be honest and talk about 153 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: their draft class from this past year. And John brought 154 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: that up, and he's right. They had an excellent, a 155 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: top shelf draft class. All those young men that they 156 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: drafted contributed this season. All of them contributed this season. 157 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: Now they go into the draft with they moved up 158 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: one spot from four to three, so that and you 159 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: know what, I'm not convinced one way or the other. 160 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: If they're gonna draft, if they're gonna do something with 161 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: free agency, if they're gonna trade, I'm not sure what 162 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: they're gonna do. But they're in a position where they 163 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: can do something and be successful with getting a quality 164 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: person to perform in the most important position in football, 165 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: which happens to be the quarterback position, not just at football, 166 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: in sports, well, the most important position and. 167 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: Also important to point out to that right now, it 168 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: is January, and so much changes between January and April 169 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: in terms of draft boards, and draft position. We're going 170 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: to see a lot and learn a lot about these 171 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: prospects over the coming weeks of the combine and draft 172 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: analysis as well, So that's going to evolve as well. 173 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: Matt, Yeah, one hundred percent. But Russ, you took the 174 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: words out of my mouth. I was literally about to 175 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: say that not only is the quarterback the most positioned, 176 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: the most important position in football, but it is the 177 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: most important position in all of sports. 178 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: And second ain't close. Yeah, it was like one hundred percent. 179 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: And you know, obviously the quarterback position was a question, 180 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: a very popular question both in the locker room and 181 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: to you know, Marra, to coach Stable, to Joe, and yeah, 182 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: at Madeline. As you just mentioned, it is a long 183 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: process with figuring that out. It's not gonna be something 184 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: that's gonna be figured out, you know, today's January sixth. 185 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: It's not gonna be figured out today. It's not gonna 186 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: be figured out tomorrow or even next week. The Giants 187 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: need to go through the evaluation process both with the 188 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 3: draft prospects, which obviously, as we all know, there are 189 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: two college quarterbacks that are considered to be the you know, 190 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: the top tier of these draft prospects, But there are 191 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: also other quarterbacks that are gonna go later in the 192 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: draft that you know, the front office might decide one 193 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: of those guys is better as like a somewhat of 194 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: a developmental prospect and to fill a different need with 195 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: the third overall pick. There's also free agency. I mean, 196 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: we know of a handful of veteran quarterbacks that are 197 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: going to hit free agency come March, but again it's 198 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: the day after the season. Between now and the start 199 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 3: of free agency, there will be more veteran quarterbacks that 200 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: are currently on a team that will end up being 201 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: a free agent and available for the Giants to pursue. 202 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 3: So there are a lot of different avenues the Giants 203 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: could go in finding that next quarterback. It wouldn't surprise 204 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: me if they went with a veteran and then drafted 205 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: someone as well. I mean, as you said, well, I 206 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: think Tommy. 207 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: DeVito is the multiple quarterback. 208 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: Tommy DeVito is the only quarterback I think that is 209 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: at least most likely to be back with the quarterbacks 210 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: from this year, just because with his you know, free 211 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: agian status, I believe he's like an exclusive rights free agent. 212 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: I think he's the only one that makes. 213 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: It a lot easier for them to bring him back 214 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 3: at a reasonable rate. But yeah, they did just fill 215 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: out the room. They need bodies to go through the 216 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: offseason program, to get through training camp, so there will 217 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: be multiple quarterbacks added through multiple different avenues. 218 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: And as Joe Shane pointed out in his presser today, 219 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: he says, you know, hey, we're in good salary cap 220 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: situation and we've got draft capital that we need to 221 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: make some changes. 222 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: What do you say is something like that, it's forty 223 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: million in cap space this year and one hundred million 224 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: the following year. Well, let's not worry about the following year. 225 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: Let's get things straightened out in this coming year. But 226 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: you know, Matt, you brought up also the draft and 227 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: where you can get somebody, and listen, let's be frank 228 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: and I say this always not just about football. I 229 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: say it about baseball too. We're not scurrying, we're not 230 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: at every college game, we're not watching the guys work out. 231 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: You know, I say that always about baseball, about beating 232 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: the bushes and going to the minor leagues. We can't 233 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: make an assessment. I don't know if there's a draft 234 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: pick down in tim Bucktoo or Podunk wherever. That's up 235 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: to the scouts to assess that. And sometimes, hey, I'm 236 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: not saying, I'm not remotely saying we're getting somebody in 237 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: the sixth round A lah, Tom Brady. I'm not saying 238 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: we're getting somebody in the third round A lah, Joe Montana. 239 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: But that's up to the scouting department and Joe and 240 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: his men to figure out and listen, John Mara said, 241 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: go ahead and do it. I believe in you. They believe. 242 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: What's very important is they believe in themselves. You know, 243 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: Joe said several times, we have a plan, we have 244 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: a process, and you know what, sometimes you have to 245 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: have the courage to stick with the process, especially when 246 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: things aren't going well. Right, not trust cuts. 247 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: To do and to trust the decision that you initially made. Right, 248 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: they initially chose to hire these men and to give 249 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: them the landscape to execute their plans, and they have 250 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: to trust that decision they made and see it through. 251 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: And that's what they're choosing to do. 252 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: You know, as Joe said, you know that he was asked, 253 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, now, if you can go back on the 254 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: decisions or what you know, the past year at through 255 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: and Joe said, we had a quarterback coming off a 256 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: knee injury. Right, we didn't know what was going to happen, 257 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: so we had to be ready. Yeah, we were hopeful, 258 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: but you don't know, and that's all part of the process. 259 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: You do the best you can with the information you have. 260 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: And of course hindsight is twenty twenty and a lot 261 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: of people will look and say, oh, could have done this, 262 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: should have done that. Had it worked out well, nobody 263 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: would be saying that because again, you make the decisions 264 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: you have with the information you have. No that being said, 265 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: the Giants have also said that there will still be 266 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: some decisions to be made. Today is Monday. Of course, 267 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: the head coach and general manager are remaining in place, 268 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: but they've also said that they're going to be meeting 269 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: throughout the week, not just with the players today and 270 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: their exit interviews, but with the coaching staff with each 271 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: other to determine what changes need to be made. John 272 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Marraw pointed out his frustration with the defensive production this year, saying, 273 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm adamant that I didn't like seeing 274 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: teams go up and down the field on the Giants 275 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: Brian Dabile acknowledged that he brought up the possibility of 276 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: perhaps not calling place next year, and that's something that 277 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: he's going to consider. So whether it's changes to the 278 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: coaching staff in a sense or changes to the procedures, 279 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: they know that the importance of a self scout and 280 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: looking in the mirror Matt and saying Okay, something needs 281 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: to change, because not just personnel and getting a quarterback 282 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: and all that, but also something needs to be tweaked 283 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: to a just course. 284 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I mean I feel like everyone that spoke today, 285 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 3: from the players to to coach to Joe, everyone said 286 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: basically some form of I need to look in the mirror, 287 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: see what went wrong this year and figure out how 288 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: to change it and improve it to get better for 289 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: next year. I mean, again, as as Joe and Daves 290 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: both mentioned, it was just not good enough from top 291 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: to bottom, there's you know, very few people. I mean 292 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: even Malik Neighbors who had the record breaking rookie year 293 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 3: he mentioned unprompted, Yeah, I left some plays some plays 294 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: on the on the table there, like, you know, obviously 295 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: happy with how the season went, but it could have 296 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: been even better. So everyone in this building is just 297 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: you know, gonna spend however long days, weeks, months figuring 298 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: out what it is that needs to be done to 299 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: improve in their part of this entire operation to get 300 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: the Giants back on track, to get the Giants where 301 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: again where every single person in this building, the fan base, 302 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: everyone wants this organization to go. So everyone is gonna 303 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: do their part in helping improve themsel elves to get 304 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: the Giants back to where they ought to be. 305 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad you brought up Maleik because if 306 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: you go back at the beginning of the season and 307 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: the way you know, Brian described him as a dog dawg. 308 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: You know what he proved this year without a shadow 309 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: of a doubt. He is a dog. He comes to play. Listen. 310 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: He was beating up this year. He took his lumps 311 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: pretty good. He missed two games, you know, and he 312 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: has what was it, what's the final total? 313 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: One two hundred and four yards, one hundred and nine catches, 314 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: seven touchdowns. 315 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: I knew she was no, but you think about that, 316 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: and that was missing two games with four quarterbacks, you know. 317 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: And another fact that since we're talking about that, how 318 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: about Wandall Robinson with ninety three catches. You know, think 319 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: about those two young men with the quarterback, who's going 320 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: to get him the ball? 321 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: I gotta say too. I did a sit down interview 322 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: with Malik Neighbors this morning, which is coming soon to 323 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: giants dot com, and one of the things I asked 324 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: him was what's he going to remember most about the 325 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season? 326 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: You know, I mean he. 327 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: Said record and franchise record in the hundredth season and that, 328 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: and you know what he said, he said, you know 329 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna remember is Wandale Robinson. That's the first 330 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: thing that he said is how good of a player 331 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: Wandale Robinson is and just went on for about how 332 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: impressed he is, what his skill set that guy has, 333 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: and those two being the line share of the passing 334 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: game and like you mentioned Russ when they have consistency 335 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: at quarterback. And then you know, we heard Joe Shane 336 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: talk about it too. Jalen Hyatt a player who didn't 337 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: really get very involved in the offense this year, and 338 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: Shane says, listen, this is the guy who's a downfield 339 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: threat can take the top off a defense. Once we 340 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: have a quarterback that can utilize that skill properly. Perhaps 341 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: there's something there. 342 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: No, it's again three and fourteen. I'm not happy. They're 343 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: not happy. Nobody is happy. We know you're not happy. 344 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: The management is not happy. It is what it is. 345 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: It's got to get better. But Joe Shane and Brian 346 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: Dabill have been told go make it better. We're not 347 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: abandoning the ship. We want you to make the ship. Bet. 348 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, even with the struggles, especially on 349 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 3: the offensive side of the ball this season, obviously we 350 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: know other than the Colts game, the offense really struggled 351 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: this year. There's no denying it. But it seems to 352 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: be the general belief from a lot of people in 353 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: this building is not that it's gonna cure everything about 354 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 3: all the issues the offense had, but getting the right 355 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 3: quarterback in this building to lead these group of playmakers 356 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: that the Giants have is gonna go a long way 357 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: in helping improve this offensive unit. 358 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, look at the turnaround Washington exactly. 359 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 4: We see it every year with a couple of teams. 360 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: You know, put that quarterback into a new situation and 361 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, the team goes from I'm not 362 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 4: gonna say worse to first, but you know, a big turnaround. 363 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 4: And you know, Joe mentioned some of the playmakers that 364 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: the Giants have on offense. Obviously there's Malik who just 365 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 4: had this record setting year as a rookie, Wandell Robbins, 366 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 4: as you guys mentioned, ninety three receptions ranked thirteenth in 367 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: the NFL and a career high for one dal career 368 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 4: high by a wide margin as well. Uh, you know 369 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 4: mentioned Jalen Hyatt is you know, I haven't seen a 370 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 4: ton of production, but there is still full belief in 371 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 4: Jalen Hyatt in this building. THEO Johnson had a very 372 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 4: promising rookie season. Tyrone Tracy had a very encouraging rookie 373 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 4: year as well. 374 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: And I don't think excuse me, I don't think any 375 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: of us expected that coming from it. He had one 376 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: heck of a season. 377 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: I was very high on him coming into the year, 378 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: but even I did not expect him to have. 379 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: The sea, Like I said, the belcout. 380 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: And I think the most important piece to this entire 381 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: you know, discussion about the offense. Obviously it's the quarterback position, 382 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: but very close second is the offensive line. And I 383 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: know when you look at the season as a whole. 384 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 3: You might think, oh, the offensive line did not perform 385 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: up to, you know, the standards, But the first six 386 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 3: games of the season, the Giants had the same starting 387 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 3: five offensive linemen for every single snap, and the offensive 388 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 3: line in those first six weeks was significantly better than 389 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: what we ended up seeing after that. 390 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: And obviously ten different combinations. 391 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 3: Which is crazy. And obviously the biggest part of that 392 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: is Andrew Thomas. I mean, we knew, we talk all 393 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: the time. He is the Giants' best offensive tackle, offensive lineman, 394 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 3: He's one of the best players in this team and 395 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: one of the best at his position in the entire NFL. 396 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: Not that you can point all the problems to one injury, 397 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: but we knew once he went down it was lost 398 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: for the year, that that was going to be a 399 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: big blow to the offensive line. Well that's exactly what happened. 400 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: He's expected to come back fully healthy for next year. 401 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 3: Four of the five starters from the offensive line will 402 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: all be back next year. Joe mentioned, you know, probably 403 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: bringing in at least a couple of new guys as well, 404 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: but the core of this offensive line that had success 405 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 3: in the early part of the year will be back. 406 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: And I think that is a very encouraging thing for 407 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 3: this offense. 408 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 4: Well, and that is. 409 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: Also the constant. You look at the three seasons with 410 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: head coach Brian Nabele, first season, the year playoff team, 411 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: second and third season disappointing, we'll call them. What is 412 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: a consistent factor Between season two and season three, Andrew 413 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: Thomas goes out early with an injury, things get Askewe 414 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: not saying that that is the only reason, but it's 415 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: a major factor, the major factor, and an impactful one, 416 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: especially a player that you know, Dabele has said many 417 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: times in training camp. Oh, every position is open for 418 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: composition except for left tackle. You know, tongue in cheek, yes, 419 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: but the importance that Andrew Thomas is to this team, 420 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: the left tackle blind side, that is one of the 421 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: most important positions on the football field. 422 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: We always say next man up, you know what, that's true. 423 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: It has to be that mentality is where you have 424 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 2: to take. 425 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: That's a hard man to replace. 426 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: But there's also a reason why guys starters and guys 427 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: are backups. So it's hard for the backup to replace 428 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: the startup because otherwise he'd be the starter. You know, 429 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: there's a reason why you're you're a first stringer and 430 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 2: a second stringer, and Thomas is a a first ringer 431 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: and then some. 432 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: And then some. Indeed, all right, well, we are turning 433 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: our attention now to the off season because the Giants 434 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season, the one hundredth season of the 435 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: Giants franchise, is behind us. Rest easy, Giants fans. 436 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: You did it. 437 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: You made it through eighteen weeks three and fourteen. It's 438 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: not how we wanted it to go, but you know what, 439 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: we learned a lot. We had some good times, we 440 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: had some memories, and we had eighteen episodes of Giants 441 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: Hangouts brought to you by Creston. It has been fun 442 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: hanging out with you guys this season and doing. 443 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: This very much, so very much so, looking forward to 444 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: next season. 445 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: As well, looking forward to it as always for Matt 446 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: Sietech and Ross Salzburg. I'm Madeline Burke. Thanks so much 447 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: for hanging out with us. We'll see you next time.