Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday to It's just me for a moment. I
Speaker 1: am Clint CS find me as real left Fargie on
Speaker 1: social media. We're gonna be here briefly. We're gonna hear
Speaker 1: from Katie Wu in a couple of minutes, but we're
Speaker 1: to talk about the latest with the Dalton Rushing elbow
Speaker 1: injury situation. Of course, it was revealed yesterday that the
Speaker 1: reason Dalton Rushing was scratched from the lineup over the
Speaker 1: weekend and missed the next game and has been subsequently
Speaker 1: put on the I L with an elbow issues because
Speaker 1: he has a partially torn or a small tear in
Speaker 1: his right UCL, the ulner C lateral ligament, which goes
Speaker 1: about right here in your arm. And it's a good part,
Speaker 1: that's a good, beefy part that you need to throw
Speaker 1: a baseball, which is something a catcher needs to do.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and get the news here. This was
Speaker 1: from Katie last night. Again, Dave Roberts told Dave Vassay
Speaker 1: that there was a UCL tear revealed for Dalton Rushing.
Speaker 1: They're trying to avoid surgery right now. They're saying, you know,
Speaker 1: labeling it as a small tear. Take that with a
Speaker 1: grain of salt. Of course, with this organization, they would ideally.
Speaker 1: This was the news from the morning, that's from Faby
Speaker 1: and Ardaya that they there's a small chance that he
Speaker 1: is back to catch this year. But more importantly, they
Speaker 1: want to keep him as an option, an option to
Speaker 1: hit off the bench as a left handed bat, which
Speaker 1: I understand. He has been better than some people you
Speaker 1: know view him. We'll say, you know, obviously he's had
Speaker 1: some issues here and there with the virality of his game,
Speaker 1: but he has honestly been a very good player as
Speaker 1: a hitter this year, somewhat streaky at times, but having
Speaker 1: an ops north of eight hundred. There you see it,
Speaker 1: twelve dingers on the air, the RBUI total. It is
Speaker 1: what it is. He's batten down in the lineup, and
Speaker 1: we know this is the lineup that has struggled to
Speaker 1: put runs on the board of late. But he has
Speaker 1: been very good. So I could understand the idea of
Speaker 1: wanting to keep that bat in the lineup or just
Speaker 1: available in some way in October, but it feels so
Speaker 1: niche to have a essentially two dhs on a twenty
Speaker 1: six man roster with him and shohe Otani who also
Speaker 1: can't play defense. I question that a little bit when
Speaker 1: you have some other guys that are down in the
Speaker 1: system that can maybe fill that out. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We will talk more about this as the days and
Speaker 1: weeks sort of progress, but still, this is the latest
Speaker 1: with Dalton Rushing. He is out. Surgery, of course, is
Speaker 1: something that is on the table. But we're gonna find
Speaker 1: out more now from Katie about what's going on with
Speaker 1: Dalton Rushing. Are they gonna go the surgical route, a
Speaker 1: little bit of rest and recovery. So let's bring Katie
Speaker 1: in right now. All right, we got Katie with us
Speaker 1: from the ballpark. We had the news yesterday kind of
Speaker 1: flew under the radar early Daves or David Roberts telling
Speaker 1: David Vass about the MRI results giving us a torn
Speaker 1: UCL in Dalton Rushing's elbow. Not good. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of thoughts. What can you tell us the latest
Speaker 1: with this? They're small tear, They're trying to keep them
Speaker 1: around as a bat. What can you tell us, Katie?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly not what you want for Dalton Rushing,
Speaker 2: who saw an opportunity for the full time starting role
Speaker 2: in mid June when Will Smith went down and really
Speaker 2: took it and ran with it. And I think the
Speaker 2: front office specifically has been thrilled with Dalton's development in
Speaker 2: that full time role, but real unfortunate news with this
Speaker 2: UCL strain. Which talks a little bit more to Dave
Speaker 2: Roberts this morning, I'll just rip off my phone here.
Speaker 2: They won't know more about this injury and the extent
Speaker 2: of it for about a month, so their thought process
Speaker 2: right now is to rehab in hopes of avoiding surgery.
Speaker 2: There is a small chance that he can come back
Speaker 2: and catch behind the plate, but their thought is if
Speaker 2: you get surgery right now, he will not be able
Speaker 2: to play in the postseason at all. If with the
Speaker 2: next two weeks ish they can see how he responds
Speaker 2: to treatment and no throw, there is a chance he
Speaker 2: could come back and be used as a hitter only,
Speaker 2: And given the lack of left handed bats on their
Speaker 2: roster currently, they think Dalton can still have value on
Speaker 2: this team, especially in October when you're looking at the
Speaker 2: playoff run as a bat off the bench from the
Speaker 2: left side. So it's kind of all fluid right now.
Speaker 2: I'm going off again. Just talk to Dave Roberts about this.
Speaker 2: If this fails and he's not able, Dalton Rushing is
Speaker 2: not able to respond to treatment, they will undergo surgery.
Speaker 2: But right now, because it's August and they can still
Speaker 2: maybe use him as a bat later in the season,
Speaker 2: they're going to try the rest and recovery method first.
Speaker 1: Is it going to be like maybe a PRP injection.
Speaker 1: Have they mentioned anything about what that recovery looks like?
Speaker 2: They're still going through it. Again, this is all pretty
Speaker 2: new information. And then granted, you know, coming right off
Speaker 2: the trade deadline, there's been a lot of moving parts here,
Speaker 2: but this is clear when they went out and acquired
Speaker 2: or acquired excuse me, two catchers, that this is going
Speaker 2: to be more than just a minimum iel stint for Dalton.
Speaker 2: We know that Will Smith, I'm sure we'll get into
Speaker 2: is do back around maybe September, beginning of September when
Speaker 2: rosters expand. But for Dalton, there is just no timetable
Speaker 2: as to what this could look like. Their hope is
Speaker 2: to just whatever they decide on recovery again, no throw
Speaker 2: for at least two weeks. It's looking more like four
Speaker 2: to six just based on the recovery. But they'll know
Speaker 2: for sure what kind of the next step is after
Speaker 2: his initial response to the two week periods so very fluid.
Speaker 2: I know this fan base has their rightful trust issues
Speaker 2: with Dodgers and their injury updates, but this one, I
Speaker 2: do believe it's all about how this Dalton respond to
Speaker 2: the initial treatment. Surgery not off the table, but something
Speaker 2: they're hoping to avoid because while he's probably not going
Speaker 2: to be back for as a catcher this year, they
Speaker 2: could still use his bat from the left side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave and company really losing some equity there when
Speaker 1: it comes to, oh, yeah, everything's going to be fine,
Speaker 1: it's going to be great. You know, he should be
Speaker 1: back in the lineup real soon. I don't think those
Speaker 1: were his exact words on this one. Yeah, it seems tough.
Speaker 1: Obviously they're saying that's a small tear, where not we
Speaker 1: are never going to be privy to the degree the
Speaker 1: severity of that tear. I went on a little bit
Speaker 1: of a rampage last night saying, hey, this is type
Speaker 1: of thing you kind of get fixed now. Because he's
Speaker 1: a catcher, he kind of needs that arm to throw
Speaker 1: down the second base. That's generally how the position works.
Speaker 1: So again, if it is small maybe that you can
Speaker 1: get the healing, you can get the PRP. I mean,
Speaker 1: you mentioned they don't have another left handed bat at
Speaker 1: least on the roster right now. On the forty men,
Speaker 1: there are some dudes down a triple A that are
Speaker 1: raking that kind of need. I mean, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: go phost way to Paula, that's obvious. But maybe there's
Speaker 1: a James Tibbs opportunity here. I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: stunts his growth just to come up and sort of
Speaker 1: be a bench bat, But like, what is the I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess there's no reason to say what is the
Speaker 1: real reality of adult rushing coming back and being a
Speaker 1: major player for this team this year, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: we're not going to know for at least another month.
Speaker 1: And to the Will Smiths factor before we bounce back
Speaker 1: to Dalton, the latest was that he's he's moving, he's
Speaker 1: back at square run, back at square one, likely looking
Speaker 1: at sort of a spring training's worth of ramp up here.
Speaker 1: What can you tell us about.
Speaker 3: Will and that? Nick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's still at Dodgers Stadium. We're on
Speaker 2: the road obviously at Wrigley Field today. Teem's in Arizona
Speaker 2: over the weekend. But we talked to another kind of
Speaker 2: minor Will Smith update with not a lot of new information.
Speaker 2: He's just still doing baseball activity, taking swings in the cave.
Speaker 4: It's going to be a slow progression.
Speaker 2: When we talked to Dave Roberts at the beginning of
Speaker 2: last week, he said that the Dodgers are looking for
Speaker 2: a three to four week ramp up for will Minimum
Speaker 2: that includes a rehab stint. But again, we're going to
Speaker 2: see a lot of the catching tandem between Ben Morfret
Speaker 2: and Hunter Ferducia for I would say the majority, if
Speaker 2: not all, of August, because the Dodgers don't feel the
Speaker 2: need to rush Will Smith back, because if they rush
Speaker 2: him back and he has a stepback because he's overcommensating
Speaker 2: for not being one hundred percent healed, there is a
Speaker 2: significant chance then they don't have him for the stretch
Speaker 2: f onn in September and God forbid October, and you
Speaker 2: need Will Smith the September and into October much more
Speaker 2: than you need him in the middle of August.
Speaker 4: It's not the ideal tandem that they wanted. You know,
Speaker 4: this is not a plan that.
Speaker 2: They had on Saturday when they had landed Eric Scobel
Speaker 2: that they were going to go out and say, you
Speaker 2: know what, We're going to go with.
Speaker 4: The catching tandem.
Speaker 2: Two guys, to be fair, have had experience in this organization,
Speaker 2: but are brand new this season to what's been going on.
Speaker 2: Their ideal tandem was Smith and Rushing come September. Now
Speaker 2: it's most likely going to be Warpvet with the bulk
Speaker 2: of the Star at Spoucha backing up and hoping that
Speaker 2: Will Smith can make a full return by September.
Speaker 4: But again, no need to rush him.
Speaker 2: I would actually argue it's inheritive that they don't, because
Speaker 2: if you don't have Will Smith healthy for the end
Speaker 2: of September, you're not feeling nearly as good as for
Speaker 2: your postseason aduds as you should be.
Speaker 1: Hey, K, can I take a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a victory lap on the Ben Hurtvett stuff, because I've
Speaker 1: been on this it feels like for ten years now
Speaker 1: trying to get this guy back for this specific reason
Speaker 1: that the product familiarization as I kept calling it. You know,
Speaker 1: he knows this club for the greater part. He knows
Speaker 1: how they operate, They know how he operates. So I
Speaker 1: really like him in there. And let's not forget everybody's
Speaker 1: four and oh in the postseason last year when he
Speaker 1: was starting games behind the plate, that said, I don't
Speaker 1: want Hunter Producier and Tim sorry Ben wet Vett being
Speaker 1: the starting catchers for the Dodgers in the postseason. So yeah,
Speaker 1: don't rush. Well, back Dave had mentioned, you know, don't
Speaker 1: see him before three or four weeks could put him
Speaker 1: at the earliest first or second week of September. I'm cool,
Speaker 1: you know, just taking your time there.
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Speaker 1: Back to rushing. So, if you're trying to keep him
Speaker 1: as a left handed bat, it is his right arm,
Speaker 1: which is his lead arm for his bat, obviously his
Speaker 1: throwing arm. That's something where I don't remember if we
Speaker 1: ever got the specific diagnosis with Kik Hernandez and whether
Speaker 1: or not that was a UCL injury he dealt with
Speaker 1: last year. But I think of Keyk's elbow issue that
Speaker 1: also being his left arm, his lead arm on his swing,
Speaker 1: and how much that affected him, particularly you know, away
Speaker 1: pitches extending through the baseball I could see the same
Speaker 1: thing with Dalton rushing and potentially further aggravating that UCL.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess that's more of just a
Speaker 1: statement than anything to tee you up on a question there,
Speaker 1: But is that something that they're factoring in. Could they
Speaker 1: pivot to make it where he gets you know, the
Speaker 1: surgery or some sort of the shut him down because
Speaker 1: this effects a swing or could be further aggravated.
Speaker 4: It's a fair point and it's valid.
Speaker 2: We talked a lot behind the scenes of like the
Speaker 2: different ways that Dalton could go in terms of the
Speaker 2: rehabit recovery process. But I think again it's all about
Speaker 2: the player too, and Dalton is at the minimum a
Speaker 2: very tough kid, right And this is what Dave Robert
Speaker 2: said this morning, where he could respond differently to treatment
Speaker 2: just based on you know, who he is as an athlete,
Speaker 2: we as a person.
Speaker 4: But it's really hard to predict what that's going to
Speaker 4: look like.
Speaker 2: Again, there are so many different moving parts here come
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, and they weren't even aware that this was
Speaker 2: going to flare up and be this big of a thing.
Speaker 2: It just made itself very apparent right before that game
Speaker 2: against the Red Sox.
Speaker 4: It's why they kind of scrambled to.
Speaker 2: Get work at and Fiducia on the deadline day, acquiring
Speaker 2: to backup catchers was not part of their plan. So
Speaker 2: for Dalton, the biggest part is just take the next
Speaker 2: two weeks throw recover, see how you respond to treatment.
Speaker 2: If in two weeks he's not getting any better, they
Speaker 2: don't see a path where he could be a meaningful
Speaker 2: part even off the bench come the postseason.
Speaker 4: They're most likely going to offer surgery.
Speaker 2: But until we talk to Dalton, which probably won't be
Speaker 2: back until we get back to LA, it's really hard
Speaker 2: to say what he feels is the best treatment because
Speaker 2: this is not just a Dodger's decision, right this is
Speaker 2: a Dalton Rushing decision and the medcare or med team
Speaker 2: decision as well. They're all going to kind of come
Speaker 2: together in three different ways to find the best solution.
Speaker 2: Right now, they've deemed it, let's just shut him down
Speaker 2: for a little bit. They really want Dalton's bat in
Speaker 2: the postseason. Again, they have virtually no left handed bats
Speaker 2: off the bench, so I can understand it, but I
Speaker 2: also understand the rational of this could be something that
Speaker 2: gets aggravated into even a bigger injury. It might the
Speaker 2: Dodgers are trimming at a slight ucl tear, but a
Speaker 2: tear is a tear, and at some point if I
Speaker 2: understand them trying to cut off surgery, and I understand
Speaker 2: that might be what Dalton wants to but if you're
Speaker 2: not seeing the response in two three weeks, their hands.
Speaker 4: Are ultimately going to be tied and Dalton's going to
Speaker 4: have to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll let you get out of here. I'll
Speaker 1: let you get out of here and go do your
Speaker 1: job after this. The other factor I had kind of
Speaker 1: pop into my head last night is late in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, we saw Max Munsey get his elbow blown
Speaker 1: up at first base getting run into by Jase Peterson.
Speaker 1: That offseason, the league and the players Association entered a lockout,
Speaker 1: which means that the team does not have access to
Speaker 1: the players, the players does not have access to team
Speaker 1: medical and all that kind of stuff. So this is
Speaker 1: where you worry about putting off a surgery a little
Speaker 1: bit too long, and then all of a sudden, Dalton's
Speaker 1: left high and dry when it comes to his recovery
Speaker 1: from it. Sounds like it won't be a full Tommy
Speaker 1: John reconstruction, but hey, I ain't playing no big city
Speaker 1: medical doctor here. Maybe internal brace or something like that,
Speaker 1: but still him kind of flying blind. Yeah, they'll give
Speaker 1: him some paperwork. You do the homework buddy as you recover.
Speaker 1: Do you think that is something that could sort of
Speaker 1: enter the minds of the team, like, hey, we I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's legally, but we wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to talk to you through this in the worst case
Speaker 1: scenario where there's surgery. Let's try to knock this out now.
Speaker 1: Is that something that this team could consider or am
Speaker 1: I just being too paranoid and you have been hurt
Speaker 1: in the past before, We all.
Speaker 4: Have our past chromas Clinic's okay.
Speaker 2: I think it's fair and it's definitely something that they're
Speaker 2: weighing behind the scenes as well. You know, I can't
Speaker 2: speculate on the kind of treatment or surgery that's going
Speaker 2: to be required for Dalton. I certainly understand why people
Speaker 2: are though, because anytime you hear the words UCL tear
Speaker 2: surgery possible, you think worst case scenario. So again, I
Speaker 2: can understand why the Dodgers, given the significant weight of
Speaker 2: the decision and also Dalton, are going to give this
Speaker 2: two weeks and try to avoid surgery. That would be
Speaker 2: the best case scenario obviously, but they're for all the
Speaker 2: reasons you just outlined reasons to get clarity soon, which
Speaker 2: is why I don't think they're going to wait for
Speaker 2: the full four to six week window that Dave Roberts
Speaker 2: has said that that Rushing will be no throw. I
Speaker 2: think they're going to look more at that two week
Speaker 2: window of has the initial treatment brought any sort or
Speaker 2: alleviate to any sort of pain. If so, let's keep
Speaker 2: it up. If not, we're going to make a decision
Speaker 2: here too.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Katie, appreciate the time here, you plugging in in a
Speaker 1: very obvious, obviously busy part of the ballpark there. Hopefully
Speaker 1: as we're recording this before the game the Dodgers get
Speaker 1: a win. But appreciate you jumping on and hopefully we
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow when we're live at noon. Again, we
Speaker 1: appreciate Katie checking in from the ballpark there at Wrigley.
Speaker 1: It's not a never a comfortable situation doing those kind
Speaker 1: of hits, but yeah, that that is where things stand
Speaker 1: right now. You guys know where I'm at. I would
Speaker 1: would not be hurt to see surgery the surgery option
Speaker 1: be chosen for Dalton Rushing, especially if your plan is
Speaker 1: to have him catching and playing defense for years to come,
Speaker 1: he's gonna need to be able to throw a baseball.
Speaker 1: But we have seen people undergo you know, PRP and
Speaker 1: you know, rest and recovery and bounce back, depending once
Speaker 1: again on the severity of that tear. That's where it
Speaker 1: can heal, it can get better, and maybe he plays
Speaker 1: the rest of his career never needing surgery, never having
Speaker 1: to worry about.
Speaker 4: That elbow again.
Speaker 1: But my brain is gonna go to the worst case
Speaker 1: scenario and what we've seen with the Dodgers of late
Speaker 1: and just some of the bad luck they have had
Speaker 1: with some injuries and them taking longer or certain injuries
Speaker 1: becoming something bigger. I can think of like the back
Speaker 1: with Tyler Glass. Now you could think of the shoulder
Speaker 1: with Gavin Stone. But anyways, it's been long enough. Those
Speaker 1: are our thoughts. Sound off in the comments. Let us
Speaker 1: know what you would do with Dalton Rushing. Send some
Speaker 1: well wishes for Dalton Rushing. Is you know, hopefully he
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