WEBVTT - Mike Love

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Bob Leftsett's podcast. My guest

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<v Speaker 1>today is the one and only Mike Love, of a

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<v Speaker 1>gigantic Beach Boys fan. It's a thrill to have him here.

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<v Speaker 1>He has just been nominated and will be inducted to

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<v Speaker 1>the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Mike, before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>the music, your brother Stan recently passed. What can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell us about Stan.

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I can tell you there was a fantastic athlete.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, our our family was not only musical, but

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<v Speaker 2>athletic as well. In fact, my father, Milton Love, was

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<v Speaker 2>the All City inn at Washington High School in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles at seventeen years old. And he went to UCLA

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<v Speaker 2>and he went out for football there and he got

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<v Speaker 2>knocked out. So he said, well he's going to throw

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<v Speaker 2>in the towel and do something different. But his he

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<v Speaker 2>was the smart one that failed me. Is UCLA report

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<v Speaker 2>card I guess he could call it was scary German trigonometry, physics,

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, you know, Oh my gosh. And he

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<v Speaker 2>was a boxer too. My dad was about six three

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<v Speaker 2>and a little over a couple hundred pounds, and he

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<v Speaker 2>did not want to make him angry. My mom, however,

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<v Speaker 2>was from the Wilson side, and they had no money.

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<v Speaker 2>But what they did have his voices, and they loved

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<v Speaker 2>singing together. My uncle's sang harmonies, you know, four parts

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<v Speaker 2>they sang together. And my mom sang on the radio,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a big deal in the thirties and in

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<v Speaker 2>early forties. And and yeah, she sang light opera and

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<v Speaker 2>woke us up to go to school. I went to

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<v Speaker 2>Dorsey High School, and she would wake us up to

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<v Speaker 2>her opera music, which was brutal. But I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in a family home with a grand piano, some Dneway

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<v Speaker 2>baby ground, a ham in Oregon, and a lion and

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<v Speaker 2>Hailey harp. I have two sisters that play the harp.

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<v Speaker 2>One Maureen played on a couple of her earlier songs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so you know catch a wave exactly, which Jenn,

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<v Speaker 1>indeed we did, is a sidewalk surface. But at any event,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go about how many generations was your family in California.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom came out five years old on a train

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<v Speaker 2>from Kansas during the dust bol days, which preceded the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Depression, and they didn't have any money. They called

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<v Speaker 2>the people that came out to California and and camped

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<v Speaker 2>on the beach. They call him Okie's, So all there

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<v Speaker 2>was from Kansas there were Oakie's. And ironically they camped

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<v Speaker 2>on the beach for a little while and before they

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<v Speaker 2>found a home. And ironically, a generation later we sang

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<v Speaker 2>about that very same environment and it caught on all

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<v Speaker 2>around the world, which is pretty pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so your father's side of the family, how did

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<v Speaker 1>he get to California.

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<v Speaker 2>My grandfather came from northern rural Louisiana plane dealing Louisiana

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen oh nine and started love sheet metal. He

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<v Speaker 2>did kitchen equipment primarily. They did the galleys for worships

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<v Speaker 2>during World War Two, and they did the UCLA Medical

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<v Speaker 2>Center after the war. And he did a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>Big Bob's Big Boy drive ins and things like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>different things. So I was a an apprentice, a local

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<v Speaker 2>one O eight, the sheet Metal Workers Union one O

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<v Speaker 2>eight that, but you know, it wasn't that much fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually, you know, my cousin Brian and I got

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<v Speaker 2>together and wrote a song called Surfing in the fall

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen sixty one, and I did pretty well, and

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<v Speaker 2>I got the attention of Capitol Records, and we did

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<v Speaker 2>our song Surfing Safari and Surfer Girl and four O

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<v Speaker 2>nine and that was on our first album. The cover

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<v Speaker 2>being filmed or photographed at Paradise Co in Malaidu, Malibu,

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<v Speaker 2>which was the site of the final scene of the

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<v Speaker 2>Disney Plus documentary which is still streaming. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty amazing. Brian and I and Bruce and David Marx

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<v Speaker 2>and Alan Jardine, we all got together and we actually

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<v Speaker 2>sang together and reminisced and my cousin Brian. He has

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<v Speaker 2>physical issues. I mean, it's hard for him to get

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<v Speaker 2>around and in fact, recently he has been in Cedar

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<v Speaker 2>Sinai with you know, lung problems. I guess you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be related to pnemonia and stuff, which is

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<v Speaker 2>very sad. But he has trouble getting around, but his

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<v Speaker 2>long term memory is amazing. He was remembering stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>our high school days that I'd honestly forgotten about. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it was pretty fascinating to get together and reminisce

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<v Speaker 2>and sang and all that it was. It was really

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<v Speaker 2>a nice afternoon of good vibrations together.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so how did your parents meet?

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<v Speaker 2>My parents meet and met in high school in Washington

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<v Speaker 2>High School and part of the Southern League of the

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<v Speaker 2>La City School System. I went to Dorset High School.

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<v Speaker 2>They went to Washington High School. That's where how they met.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom was beautiful, she looked like a thirties forties

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<v Speaker 2>movie star. And my dad was tall and handsome and athletic.

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<v Speaker 2>And my mom was athletic. She she could play golf,

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<v Speaker 2>she could play tennis, she could walk up the stairs

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<v Speaker 2>on her hands. I mean, she was really amazingly you know, athletic.

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<v Speaker 2>But her real love is music. And she created an

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<v Speaker 2>atmosphere where there was no way we weren't going to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to sing together. Because every Christmas, every Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>every Fourth of July, every New Year's, every Birthday, the

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<v Speaker 2>family would get together. And my mom was one of

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<v Speaker 2>eight kids that lived in maturity and so there's there

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<v Speaker 2>were four aunts and I mean my mom and three

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<v Speaker 2>aunts and four uncles, one of which was Murray, the

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<v Speaker 2>father of Brian Dennis and Carl Wilson. So we always

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<v Speaker 2>got together for music. There's never been a time in

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<v Speaker 2>my life when there wasn't music because it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was in utero, you know, I mean, she was playing

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<v Speaker 2>an opera when when she was carrying me. So where

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<v Speaker 2>did you grow up in La the Baldwin Hills. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So what.

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<v Speaker 1>Were they like then, because it's different today. Who lives there,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there are bars in the window of our house

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<v Speaker 2>that we should have, but we live in a place

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<v Speaker 2>called Pill Hill because there were so many doctors and

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<v Speaker 2>dennis living there. In fact, my friend Michael Coleman I

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<v Speaker 2>used to play chess with him. He lived right up

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<v Speaker 2>the street. And uh, when we went Christmas caroling, his

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<v Speaker 2>family was Jewish, so we would something white on them,

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<v Speaker 2>like jingle bells, and we'd leave save away in a

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<v Speaker 2>manger for the next house. But we literally Christmas carold

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<v Speaker 2>around the neighborhood. My dad would bring a truck home

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<v Speaker 2>from Love sheet metal, and adults wo get on the

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<v Speaker 2>truck and the kids would run around behind. Literally killed

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas Carol. That's how it was in those days. And

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<v Speaker 2>we had great friends from all kinds of ethnic and

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<v Speaker 2>religious groups. And Dorsey High School was fascinating. There were

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<v Speaker 2>there were the Japanese kids who had lived in they

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<v Speaker 2>don't call them concentration camps in the United States. Interment. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they took their land and their everything away, and these

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<v Speaker 2>kids I went to high school with, junior high and

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<v Speaker 2>high school with, they taught me Japanese. Really, oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really fascinating. I was able to count in

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese and say a few words like Tomodachi means friend,

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<v Speaker 2>iqin no siameans go ahead, Kuichi means well. Kuichi was

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<v Speaker 2>the name. They wouldn't say that person is Jewish, ku

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<v Speaker 2>is nine and ICHI's one, but nine and one are

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<v Speaker 2>jew in Japanese, so they would say that person's Kuichi.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we had blacks, and we had Jewish kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and we had the Japanese kids and the waspy kids

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<v Speaker 2>like me, and and just so many different ethnic groups,

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<v Speaker 2>which is real education. And the fact the music that

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<v Speaker 2>the black kids would sing in the showers and I

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<v Speaker 2>was on the track team and the cross country team.

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<v Speaker 2>It informed me in a lot of ways with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the the things I would put him in in

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<v Speaker 2>the lyrics that I came up with implement Brian's musical efforts, like,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, well since you put me down, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>out doing in my head doing in I'll do. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I always wondered where that came from.

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<v Speaker 2>That it came from high school, and you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was just an amazing, amazing experience, and it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was really fascinating. I really loved growing up in la

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<v Speaker 2>with all the different I would sit next to Fred Belitzer,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a Sephardic Jew, and and he would hit

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<v Speaker 2>me to all the if it was Russia, Shana, it

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<v Speaker 2>was Joan Kapoor, whatever it was, he would he would

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<v Speaker 2>let me know that these days were he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be taken off and I would take off too.

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<v Speaker 2>And when the teacher would say, where were you, mister Love,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, teach, it was the holidays. And I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual guy. So I was always, always, always had an attitude,

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<v Speaker 2>a little smart ass kind of the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So how many kids were in the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my mom had six kids. I'm the oldest.

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<v Speaker 1>She had six kids. They all lived to maturity. Correct,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the other five up to if they're still

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<v Speaker 1>with us? Well, my brother Stan just passed away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was my sister Stephanie sadly passed away maybe

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago from cancer. My mom died of cancer

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<v Speaker 1>at fifty nine years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, they have the women on that side of

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<v Speaker 2>the family carry that gene for that kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>uterine kind of cancer and which spreads. Yeah, so that

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<v Speaker 2>was sad.

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<v Speaker 1>And the rest of the kids of the family would happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have a brother who lives in Hawaii, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have a baby sister who lives in New York

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<v Speaker 2>with her Italian husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it sounds like your father was doing pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well in the sheet metal a music.

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<v Speaker 2>My grandfather and father Love she Mill did very well.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, my grandfather was he was amazing. He was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just salt of the earth, just blue collar

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<v Speaker 2>as he could be, but smart and hard working. And

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<v Speaker 2>he he he liked Cadillacs. So we'd buy El Dorado

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<v Speaker 2>convertible in the spring and a and a sedan in

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<v Speaker 2>the fall. Oh yeah, two Cadillacs a year. So, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean he'd be bidding on a job and he said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to put a couple thousand bucks more for

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<v Speaker 2>another Cadillac. So for a couple of years there our

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<v Speaker 2>family get handed down. We had a beautiful, uh fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five El Dorado convertible. Yeah it was. It was great.

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<v Speaker 2>And my dad, Miller in love he was a gearhead.

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<v Speaker 2>He bought a fifty eight Chevy pickup and he put

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<v Speaker 2>two dual cards on a quads yea. You know, so

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<v Speaker 2>that inspired some of the lyrics for the car songs

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<v Speaker 2>and actually the energy of the car songs that we

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<v Speaker 2>did because we realize that not everyone had an ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>but everyone loved the cars coming out of Detroit, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we sang yeah songs and we related to all

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<v Speaker 2>that with my cousin Dennis had a four on nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Really okay, but ultimately you have megasuccess. You're a household name.

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<v Speaker 1>In many cases, that person then buys their parents a house,

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<v Speaker 1>or they have kids who live on the payroll. But

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<v Speaker 1>your family was already doing pretty well well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then love Sheet Mill had a bankruptcy. They

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<v Speaker 2>bid on a thing that was impossible to pay, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was a Chapter seven bankruptcy, which means it's over.

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<v Speaker 2>So I ended up buying a house for my from

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<v Speaker 2>my grandparents and helped out with my parents as well,

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<v Speaker 2>which is good.

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<v Speaker 1>Stan ultimately worked with Brian. But your other siblings did

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<v Speaker 1>they do okay financially?

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<v Speaker 2>My brother Steve was a business manager for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years back in the sixties early seventies, and and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so he did it okay, But he's been living in

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<v Speaker 2>Hawaii for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you're the oldest kid, yes, you see, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a little bit of an attitude. Well, you know

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<v Speaker 1>your parents. Your father's a genius, he's going to UCLA etcter.

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<v Speaker 1>Your mother's got these incredible musical skills. What kind of

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<v Speaker 1>student were you?

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<v Speaker 2>Not a good one? But I was the most well

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<v Speaker 2>read kid in my grade school, junior high on high school.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, they had a thing called the Iowa Tests,

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<v Speaker 2>which grades you how it gives you how how you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing in terms of the United States, how everybody's doing,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you're so I was given a ninety eight on

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<v Speaker 2>my first Iowa test and that was in like the

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<v Speaker 2>tenth grade, and so that was high there. I was

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<v Speaker 2>along with a couple other kids, one of a good

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<v Speaker 2>friend of mine, Tom doctor Emil Tom Tom Emil. He

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<v Speaker 2>He and I used to chase butterflies when we were

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<v Speaker 2>in the in grade school, and he kept on chasing.

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<v Speaker 2>Has a degree two degrees in lepidoptery, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>study of moths and butterflies, and so he was a

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<v Speaker 2>professor of tenured at University of Florida and unfortunately passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of years ago. But yeah, so i'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a good student, but I was good at what

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<v Speaker 2>I liked, which was history, literature, language, culture, religion, philosophy,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was very well read in certain areas.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I kept that up through the sixties and

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<v Speaker 2>read some very interesting things. And I was interested in

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that that all these religions exist, and they

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<v Speaker 2>all have great things to say in all the Ten

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<v Speaker 2>Commandments and whatever, but the people can't live up to

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<v Speaker 2>the religion religious In other words, nobody's ever delivered world

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<v Speaker 2>peace in several thousand years of humanity, and to me,

0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.880
<v Speaker 2>that's messed up. And that one He met marsh in

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<v Speaker 2>December of sixty seven and he invited us, invited me

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<v Speaker 2>to go to India, which I did go to India

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<v Speaker 2>in the spring of sixty eight. In fact, George Harrison

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<v Speaker 2>and I have our birthdays in Rishikesh, India, where the

0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Ganges River come out comes out of the Himalayas. He

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<v Speaker 2>on February twenty fifth, on March fifteenth, so we're both Pisces,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that was fascinating. The Beatles sang this song

0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:32.040
<v Speaker 2>called Spiritual Regeneration Movement Foundation, which can find online and

0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.080
<v Speaker 2>at the end of it, they're going happy Birthday, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>Love Happy Birthday Michael, which is great. It was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like fun fun, fun sideways or something. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a Beatles doing a beach boy esque kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a birthday song, which was fascinating. And that was

0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:54.159
<v Speaker 2>a mind blowing time with Marshie lecturing every day and

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<v Speaker 2>encouraging people to go and meditate for as long as

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<v Speaker 2>they're comfortable. In fact, Prudence Farrow what would meditate for

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<v Speaker 2>three days in a row and they had to go

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<v Speaker 2>get her And that's the subject matter of prudence. John

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<v Speaker 2>Lennon came up with Dear Prudence, once you come out

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<v Speaker 2>and play, it's a brand new day and you know

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, right, Okay, what made you such

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<v Speaker 2>a big reader? And are you still a reader today?

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<v Speaker 2>Not as much as I was, but I read a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff, and so I'm very sensitive and interested

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<v Speaker 2>in philosophy and religion and all that. And with meditation,

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<v Speaker 2>with transident meditation is that this is the technique that Mari,

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<v Speaker 2>she teaches. In Sanskrit, they'd probably call it raj yoga

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<v Speaker 2>yoga meaning union. So there's different ways of gaining union

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<v Speaker 2>with the infinite, and one of them is through meditation.

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<v Speaker 2>There are other ways of well, so I was just

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating him by the whole thing. He was talking about

0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.520
<v Speaker 2>world peace. The Vietnam War was going on. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>the woman at the teacher training course in Rishi Kiss

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty eight her son was in the military

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<v Speaker 2>and Vietnam. Yeah, and so it was really interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>me the dichotomy of here were in a meditation a

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<v Speaker 2>treat in India with Marishi. He's talking about world peace.

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<v Speaker 2>If enough people meditated, there would become world peace, and

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<v Speaker 2>yet at the same time there was all this crap

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<v Speaker 2>going on in the world. So to me it was fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>It really it really touched me that the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>if enough people were more creative through the meditation, we'd

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<v Speaker 2>create our ways out of negative situation rather than kill

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<v Speaker 2>each other in genocide, which is been the history of humanity,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is disgusting. And yeah, so I learned

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<v Speaker 2>a lot from Marishi and being introduced to what they

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<v Speaker 2>call the Vedas, which to these ancient scriptures. Not that

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot about them, but I know several

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<v Speaker 2>things derived from them. And so it's been a big,

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<v Speaker 2>huge help in my life because with mine meditating regularly,

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<v Speaker 2>it kept me from making lifestyle choices let's say, aren't

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<v Speaker 2>so positive, you know, with too much alcohol or drugs

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever whatever kind of excesses. So it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>huge help to my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, your mother came from a family eight kids. Was

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<v Speaker 1>there a special relationship with the Wilsons headed by Murray

0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.919
<v Speaker 1>Wilson in that family or did you have relationships like

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<v Speaker 1>that with all the Wilsons.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was the most important because my cousin

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<v Speaker 2>Brian was about a year younger than I, and he

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<v Speaker 2>and I are very close. In fact, when I went

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<v Speaker 2>on a senior trip to Catalina, I invited Brian to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and we would go to each other's games and football

0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.560
<v Speaker 2>games and stuff like that. And by the way, Brian,

0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Brian Wilson could throw football as far as any NFL

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.480
<v Speaker 2>quarterback ever could. He was so strong in his upper

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.320
<v Speaker 2>body he could throw that football seventy yards. I mean,

0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.760
<v Speaker 2>it's unbelievable. So he was at one time in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>He is very very athletic, and so he got some

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:53.600
<v Speaker 2>of that athleticism, but the musical part. His mom Mayanne Audrey,

0:21:54.320 --> 0:22:00.560
<v Speaker 2>and of course Uncle Murray was a aspiring songwriter. But

0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 2>my mom said that Anne Audrey was the most gifted

0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 2>musical person she had ever met, because she could hear

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<v Speaker 2>a song and just play it on the rate on

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<v Speaker 2>the on the piano after just hearing it once.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you hear the famous story that Marie and Audrey

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:22.680
<v Speaker 1>go out of town Brian rintz instruments and you record,

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<v Speaker 1>surfit What had happened before that? Had you guys talked

0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.000
<v Speaker 1>about making music, had you been making on a music

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<v Speaker 1>at an amateur level, or did it literally start that weekend?

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<v Speaker 2>We were only doing stuff as family, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>there was a family get together and it was let's

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<v Speaker 2>say we've done our Christmas caroling, okay, well, then the

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:50.679
<v Speaker 2>kids would Brian and I and maybe Carl and my

0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.760
<v Speaker 2>sister Mariene would peel off and we do our everly

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:59.359
<v Speaker 2>brothers and our do wop and things like that, just

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:02.760
<v Speaker 2>singing the music of the day that appealed to us

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 2>while the parents were doing their their their songs.

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<v Speaker 1>So is that a true story that the parents went

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<v Speaker 1>out of town and Brian rented this equipment and you

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 1>guys cut music. Is that the way it happened absolutely.

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.680
<v Speaker 2>In fact, Alan Jardine went to his mom to ask

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:24.719
<v Speaker 2>for some money to rent the music instruments and we

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:28.360
<v Speaker 2>did do that and it was pretty pretty funky. There

0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:32.680
<v Speaker 2>was I mean, Carl played the guitar, Brian I think

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:38.080
<v Speaker 2>hit the snare drum and it was The song Surfing

0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 2>was really basic, but it was a patterned after the

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 2>dou wop kind of genre. Bomb bomb dipped it it,

0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 2>bomb bomped it, you know that? But interesting enough. Sunday

0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:57.200
<v Speaker 2>yesterday we we did the Beach Live festival in Redondo

0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Beach and you could look over there and the Redondo

0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Beach breakwater where cousin Dennis and I went fishing one time,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we were talking about surfing, and then he

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 2>went back home and talked to his brother Brian about surfing.

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 2>And then I got together with Brian and we created

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:20.400
<v Speaker 2>that's first song Surfing. And just after no more than

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>a month or two, we were on the radio in

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.280
<v Speaker 2>southern cal that weekend.

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Did you record surf in that weekend? And was it

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>written that weekend or before? We wrote it first? And

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 1>then we recorded it in a little studio in Hollywood.

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>The studio was owned by a guy named Height Morgan

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and his wife Trinda, and they had us to a

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>song called Luau that they came up for the B

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:51.119
<v Speaker 1>side of Surfing. But Surfing came out on Candix Records,

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>and the guy who ran that record company ran it

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.119
<v Speaker 1>out of his car. In fact, he declared bankruptcy. We

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.320
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have to pay.

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Us right right. So it was pretty basic, but it

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 2>did get the attention because it did really well in

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 2>LA and a couple other places. It got the attention

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 2>of Capitol Records, which as, yeah, how old.

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Were you and what was your life about when Surfing

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.119
<v Speaker 1>got on there? I was twenty and your future was

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 1>going to be working in the sheet metal.

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Well I don't know about that because I didn't like

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 2>it that much. But in fact I told my dad, well,

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.360
<v Speaker 2>he said, what if the music doesn't work out? I said, well,

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll be back here scraping shut off of metal.

0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Because what you do is there's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Will.

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 2>The will leaves us a little bit of slag on top,

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 2>so you have to clean that up and make it

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 2>look nice and pretty. So I did stuff like that

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and installations and things. It was not fun, but it

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>was a living and I had a wife and one

0:25:56.520 --> 0:26:00.919
<v Speaker 2>child and another child. So Bury my heart school sweetheart

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 2>who was cheerleader, and Al was the track star, you know.

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 2>So but we, of course, we we came up with

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 2>the song and then we recorded it quite soon thereafter.

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 2>And then there's a guy named Russ Reagan, who, yeah,

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 2>a really nice guy. He was. He was a record

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 2>promotion man at the time, and he heard we were

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 2>calling ourselves the Pendletones because Pendleton mills, the Pendleton plaid,

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.919
<v Speaker 2>Pendleton wool shirts. You would wear those over a T

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.200
<v Speaker 2>shirt because when the sun went down and it started

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:43.199
<v Speaker 2>to get cold, it's good to have a penalton on

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 2>over your T shirt. And I'm talking about the beach.

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:53.440
<v Speaker 2>And but Russ Reagan said, well, it's called surfing about

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:57.919
<v Speaker 2>the beach. Boys lots better than Penaltons. So it stuck.

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Russ Reagan.

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Named us, okay, so surfing comes out on Candix. He

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>heared on the local radio. This Capitol Records approached you

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 1>as Murray approached Capital.

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Murray through an attorney, Al Selessinger, who represented him and us.

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 2>In fact, the other guys. I was the only guy

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 2>when we signed with Capitol Records. I just turned twenty

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>one in the March, and we signed it after that,

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 2>so I didn't need court approval, but the rest of

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>the guys did, so Yeah, it was Murray who sought out.

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 2>It was turned down by several places, but a guy

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>named Nick Venet, who was a producer at Capital, like

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 2>what we were doing. But Brian was such as we

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 2>were self voting. Brian was gifted when it came to

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 2>working in the studio and he he very quickly. First

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 2>of all, he didn't need any help, and he knew

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 2>what he wanted to hear, and he very quickly became

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 2>a master of the studio, especially with some of the

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:11.920
<v Speaker 2>greatest musicians in California. When La they call him the

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Wrecking Crew because the musicians who played in orchestras and

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 2>symphonies thought they were going to wreck the music business,

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:27.959
<v Speaker 2>but instead they did all these fantastic, great hits. And

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:32.359
<v Speaker 2>that's how we met Glenn Campbell, who took Brian's place.

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>And when Brian left the group in the live group

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty four, what people don't really understand is

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>there have been two groups since nineteen sixty four, the

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 2>touring group and the recording group. And of course Brian

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>was the head of the recording group, and he left

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 2>in order to be able to devote all his time

0:28:55.440 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 2>to music and production and arranging and dealing with the tracks.

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 2>A case in point, he was in the studio in

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty five with the Wrecking Crew doing this great

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 2>track with a great overture. It was called California Girls.

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 2>And that's all he had is California Girls. And I

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 2>stepped out in the hallway and wrote the lyrics. Well,

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Theast Coast girls are hip. I really dig the styles

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 2>they wear. And the Southern girls and the way they talk.

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 2>They knocked me out when I'm down there. The Midwest

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 2>farmers daughters, they really make you feel all right in

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 2>the Northern girls of where they kiss, they keep their

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 2>boy kiss, keep their boyfriend's warm at night. That caught

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 2>on all over the place, and yeah, it's still one

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite songs for saying, oh.

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Listen, incredible. So but let's go back. Nick Vinet signed you.

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Now you have to do an album on that album

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>that surf in Safari four oh nine, ten Little Indians.

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>You gotta have ten songs. Where do you get the

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>ten songs?

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, we made them up.

0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, did you get were you so young the

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>you say, oh we can do this in a second.

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Were you intimidated like we.

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Were intimidated at all? No, we but you know, the

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>record company Capitol Records division of E. M I Worldwide,

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 2>which is the same record company the Beatles were on.

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>We they were hounding us for an album every few months.

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 2>In fact, Brian was working on the Pet Sounds album

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and doing these amazing tracks and and he needed more time,

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 2>and they were hounding us for records. So we said,

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 2>I said, Brian, why don't we do a song called

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 2>a party album which consists of a bunch of songs

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 2>we just liked singing, you know, And so we did

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 2>bar barn Off that album, which right, yeah, and that

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>was recorded in sixty five, late sixty five, but Barbara

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 2>became a huge hit in early sixty six. Then then

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>that gave us the time to do the Pet Sounds

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>album properly, which came out in mid sixty six, and

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 2>then of course Good Vibrations came out in the fall

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>of sixty six. That was an enormous year for the

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Beach Boys.

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the second album, Surfing USA. Can you tell

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>us about shut down or any other songs you wrote

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>for that album.

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Brian became friends with a guy named Roger Christian who

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>was a disc jockey in LA and he was gearhead.

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 2>He came up with some great lyrics. You know. I

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>was Shutdown, little Loose, coup Car, crazy Cutie, some really

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 2>fun songs. I sang the lead on a lot of those,

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and of course Brian did his high parts and the

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>other guys filled in with the harmonies and so yeah,

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 2>it was just a lot of energy going on and

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of you know, desire for the record company

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to have another album, always having another album. So we

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 2>we did a whole bunch of albums, and I think

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 2>there have been there are gems on each one of

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 2>those albums. You know, we did so many of them

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 2>back in the day in.

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Such a well, I just know on the second album

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>there's Farmer's Daughter and there's the Lonely Sea. Yeah really

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>and okay, so then you wrote the lyrics for Fun, Fun, Fun.

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Just well, we were really popular in Salt Lake City.

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why, but we were. And we would

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>there was a place called the Lagoon, which is a

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>theme park in Salt Lake City, so we would go

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>up in the open the theme park in the beginning

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.719
<v Speaker 2>of the summer, come in the middle of the summer,

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and close the theme park in the early fall. And

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>one of those times we'd gone up there, we were

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 2>we took a taxi from the Holiday Inn in Salt

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Lake City to the airport to fly back to la

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and I said, Brian, we got to do a song

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 2>about a girl who borrows her dad's car and instead

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 2>of going to library, she goes cruising with it, and

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 2>so that became the intro the you know, Carl came

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 2>up with the intro of the guitar intro of fun, fun, Fun,

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>and we we you know, we had a great time

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 2>with that. In fact, we closed our show at the

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Beach Life Festival with fun, Fun, Fun, and people love it.

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if the kids these days even though

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>what a Ta Bird is right, but it's such a

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 2>fun song. And when Brian hit that high part at

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the end, oh my god. It has to be responsible

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of tickets, because if you're cruising your car,

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 2>it's just just like like amazing, uplifting song, you know,

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's all positive.

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 1>It's all My father had a t bird and my

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>sister was going to the library, so it became a

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>family joke exactly. Okay. So then was your time at

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 1>the lagoon the inspiration for Salt Lake City on summer

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:23.320
<v Speaker 1>days and summer nights?

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Exactly? It sure was, and we can still do it

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 2>whenever we go to Utah, we'll do Salt Lake City

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 2>and people love it.

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So then ultimately you have the all Summer Long

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>album and you're in the movie Girls on the Beach.

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember making that movie?

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 1>So what was that experience like it was?

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the beach boys in a movie doing a song.

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 2>It's not exactly We're not like you know, Brad Pitt

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>or anybody you know. We're not Tom Cruise. We're just

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of guys you know, from the neighborhood singing

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 2>our songs and we're happy to be doing them on

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>in the soundtrack of an album. But our music has

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.359
<v Speaker 2>been featured in so many soundtracks over the years. I mean,

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Shampoo with Warren Beatty.

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.479
<v Speaker 1>That brought back, wouldn't it be nice? Unbelievable it did.

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 2>But also fifty First Dates was huge, I mean, you know,

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and and California Girls with the rush Hour films that

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker. They use California Giles I

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 2>think three times and yeah. So it's been fascinating to

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 2>see how many movies, including Cocktail of course with Kokomo,

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 2>have featured our songs. We've been very, very very blessed

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 2>to that producers like to use our songs in the movies.

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 2>In fact, Cocktail, the movie, the director says, can you

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 2>do a song? Tom Cruise a bar turn. He's going

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 2>from New York to Jamaica, And we did a song

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 2>by assignment. We didn't come up with that song. They said,

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 2>can you come up with the song? Well, Terry Milcher

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>was the producer of the song. He was friends with

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 2>John Phillips of the Mamas and Papas, and John Phillips

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 2>had this really nice melody off the Florida Keys. There's

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 2>a place called Cocomo. That's where we used to go

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 2>to get away from Rome. I said, hold on, that's

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 2>where we used to go, implies the guy thinking about

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>as misspent youth or something. I said, I just changed

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>one thing in the verse. That's where you want to

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 2>go to get away from It's a tense change and

0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:48.800
<v Speaker 2>it made it inclusive. And then I came up with

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 2>the chorus Aruba, Jamaica. Who I want to take it

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>to Bermuda? Come on pretty much? So come on pretty,

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 2>wamos to me. It could be a kid thinking his

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 2>mom is pretty. It could be an older couple saying

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>let's get in the RV and going on to Florida.

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 2>So it just fit every generation, and of course it was.

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 2>It became the biggest selling single of our career, even

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 2>bigger than Good Vibrations, which is saying something. And then

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 2>then we got on Full House. John Stamos loved the

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Beach Boys and he loves to play drums with us.

0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 2>He was playing with us at the at the Beach

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Life Festival just recently, so he he wanted us on

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Full House. And we did that song on Full House,

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:46.959
<v Speaker 2>and we've been seen on TV reruns a Full House

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>by millions of people over the last thirty some odd years.

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's go back though sixty years. Tell us about I

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Get Around.

0:37:55.840 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Brian came up with a song I get Around. He said,

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.399
<v Speaker 2>I get around from town to town. I'm a real

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 2>cool head. I'm making real good bread. I was thinking

0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 2>that's a little braggadocius, just a tad and but He

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 2>had an intro that was kind of meandering, a lot

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 2>of little honeys who were hanging around and all this

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. I said, no, no, no, let's start it

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:22.800
<v Speaker 2>like we did Barbaran. Now Barbara is Bob Bob bah.

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 2>So I said, let's do round round, get her around.

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I get her around. So I came up with that

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 2>concept and that hook, and of course he did beautiful

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff with the harmonies with it, and it came together beautiful.

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 2>I wrote the words to the verses, and so it

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 2>was a true collaboration. He had the I get around

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 2>from town to town. I'm a real cool head. I'm

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:48.399
<v Speaker 2>making real good bread. I came up the round round,

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.479
<v Speaker 2>get a round part and the lyrics of the verse.

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Murray is the manager at this point. He is

0:38:55.280 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>portrayed as a tyrant somewhat abusive. What was your experience?

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 2>He was a tyrant and somewhat abusive to his kids.

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Mainly they built bore the brunt of it. But he

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 2>wasn't nice to me. See, I wrote every single syllable

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.359
<v Speaker 2>to surf in USA, but I was not I was

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.400
<v Speaker 2>not credited, nor was I credited or to help me

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Rondo or California girls or I get around. Murray took

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>over the publishing. I didn't even know what publishing was.

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Come from a sheet metal family background, didn't even know

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 2>what publishings. I knew he had to sign a you know,

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 2>sign your name to a songwriting contract, but that was

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.280
<v Speaker 2>the extent of my knowledge. I didn't know the value

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 2>of publishing, and I rely on my uncle and my

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 2>cousin to take care of that part because, you know, frankly,

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know anything, and my uncle Murray knew stuff

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 2>about that, but he really mistreated me, and he ended

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 2>up selling The Sea of Tunes, which destroyed Brian Wilson emotionally.

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 2>But Murray was that way. He didn't care. He just

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>wanted something for himself, you know, and he did. He

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 2>got a few hundred thousand bucks and then he died

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 2>three years later.

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 1>And tell me about getting rid of him as the manager.

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, Brian and I told him that we could no

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 2>longer have be manager. But the roay he got even

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.839
<v Speaker 2>with me is to disinclude me on on the what

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I did with Brian lyrically.

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>So to what degree has that been rectified now?

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to say the percentage of the ones I

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>just enumerated have been rectified, but there's probably thirty or

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 2>forty more songs that have yet to be rectified. And

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 2>who owns those songs today? Universal Music they bought the

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:02.280
<v Speaker 2>see if well A and m res Irving. Almo Music

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 2>bought Sea of Tunes in the late sixties and then

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 2>years later they sold sold their catalog of Beach Boys

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 2>songs and others to Universal Music.

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I thought that as a lawsuit that Brian got something back.

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, there was a lawsuit. Brian was under the control

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:33.840
<v Speaker 2>of doctor Eugene Landy at one point in time, and

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 2>doctor Landy came up with an idea to go and

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 2>try to get the publishing back. But they they stopped

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 2>short of getting the publishing, and they took something like

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 2>ten dollars, which a lot of them went to attorneys

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:50.479
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and I don't know how much Landy got,

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 2>but they solicited me. They wanted me to cooperate with that,

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 2>which I did, and they were supposed to compensate me

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 2>and start paying me on these songs that I wrote

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 2>with Brian, but they didn't. So I was fortunate enough

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 2>to find an attorney who was able to pierce There

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 2>was some fraud involved, and rather than going to the

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 2>ugily details of that, I was able to overcome to

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 2>a certain degree. Maybe about thirty five songs. Okay, so

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 2>today universal loans of songs. There's the publishing share and

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 2>there's the writing share. That's right.

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Are you getting paid on those songs today?

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>And are you I'm sure you're happy to get paid

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>at all as opposed to Candix? Yeah, ripping you off?

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 1>But have you made peace with what you're making or

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 1>are you still sort of upset you today and can

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>get the credit and the money you want.

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 2>I am not happy with what happened to me, but

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 2>I am very blessed to have a healthy life, a

0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:02.319
<v Speaker 2>positive life. I've done six or seven thousand concerts over

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 2>the years as the lead singer in the live Beach

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Boys group. So there's two groups, the recording group and

0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 2>the live group. My cousin Karl and I were in

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.319
<v Speaker 2>charge of the live group. He the musical side, made

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the I would meet with the agents and managers and

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:21.839
<v Speaker 2>talk about, you know, where we're going to go and

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:25.880
<v Speaker 2>who we're going to promote with. There's certain areas that

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 2>were controlled by very powerful promoters which you could not

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 2>go in without getting you know, you just couldn't buy

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 2>the right time at the radio stations or or the

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:37.879
<v Speaker 2>rent the venue, but there were places that you go,

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 2>so it was I wasn't busy with that. I always

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.880
<v Speaker 2>liked the live music part of things. The reason being

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>that the audience response is so amazing. It's so uplifting.

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, all agents have a smile on their face,

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 2>they're singing along, So how could you not like that,

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, So I've always favored the live music part

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 2>of it. The recording music of music is very necessary

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 2>you're in the studio. It's somewhat claustrophobic, I have to say,

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 2>but it's fantastic as far as getting the sound that

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 2>you want. And so the two different groups coexisted. Of

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:22.399
<v Speaker 2>course when Brian was at his peak, it was just phenomenal.

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.920
<v Speaker 2>If you listen to the there's a box set that

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:28.799
<v Speaker 2>they put out years ago of the pet Sounds album.

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:33.239
<v Speaker 2>They had just the vocals and just the tracks. The

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 2>tracks are amazing. You listen to us. How did he

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:40.879
<v Speaker 2>come up with that? But he did, and the vocals

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 2>we labored over, like wouldn't it be nice? One section

0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 2>for maybe twenty five takes to make it perfect. In fact,

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 2>at that point in time I called Brian dogg ears

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>because he heard stuff the human beings on them, you know,

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 2>so that it was okay? Yeah.

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 1>So was Brian always one step removed or was he

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>a normal kid and made a left turn?

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Emotionally? What I think Brian is is extremely sensitive. And

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:25.360
<v Speaker 2>he had a father was, as he said, tyrant, and

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 2>he would tell Brian that he didn't know what he

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 2>was doing, and that was so wrong because Brian totally

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 2>heard what he wanted to hear in that studio, and

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>you'd have a drunken Murray come in and try to

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.759
<v Speaker 2>impose his will on things and stuff, and that's what

0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 2>we had to get rid of him as a manager.

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>So but he was very sensitive, but he was also gullible.

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 2>People would come and turn him on to various things.

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 2>In fact, one of the last tours we were on,

0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I went to his room and there was a light

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 2>bulb and this and that paraphernalia, and I was thinking, WHOA,

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 2>this is not good. I was very angry. So he

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:12.800
<v Speaker 2>was experimenting with things due to associates of his that

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:17.799
<v Speaker 2>probably didn't have a well being in mind. Let's put

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.440
<v Speaker 2>it that way, and that influenced him in a in

0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 2>a not so great way. In fact, when we did

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the pet Sounds album that was one thing, but the

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Smile album, I came up with the term acid alliteration

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 2>because some of the lyrics were I don't know, I

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 2>couldn't relate to them. I think lyrics are meant to

0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 2>communicate normally, and sometimes they get a little obtuse.

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so how did you feel about Van Dyke Parks

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>who wrote a lot of those.

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:54.319
<v Speaker 2>That's the guy who inspired my term acid alliteration.

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know schizophrenia, assuming we that is his diagnosis.

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Without going deep into Brian, it tends to occur in

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the late twenties when Brian started to take a left turn.

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you believe that element was always in there? Do

0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>you believe it was drugs? What do you think changed them?

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>My personal philosophy, I don't know if it's true or not,

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 2>is that people think they're creative because the drugs they

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 2>took I say were creative in spite of it. So

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.400
<v Speaker 2>he has an amazing amount of creativity. He could sit

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 2>down on the piano right now, and even though he

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 2>has a walker in a wheelchair, and he can't get

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 2>around very good. He can get around just fine on

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 2>a keyboard, and he has his talent, he has his abilities.

0:47:55.239 --> 0:48:00.839
<v Speaker 2>But when you take a sensitive person and introduce him

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 2>to stuff that, whether it be LSD, cocaine, heroin, pot

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:12.319
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, you don't know what the results are

0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 2>going to be. Some people can do that stuff and

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 2>come out just fine and some people don't. And so

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 2>my cousin Brian, I think he shelved the Smile album

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 2>because he felt that he was doing the elements earthwater, fire,

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 2>and air, and we did a fire session and there

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 2>was a fire not so far away and he felt

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 2>that he caused it by doing the fire sessions. So that's,

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:48.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, things that go on that make you diagnosis

0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.720
<v Speaker 2>paranoid schizophrenia. I don't know if that's the current term,

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:55.359
<v Speaker 2>but that's what it is. You get paranoid from the

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>stuff you've been doing. I mean, we're all paranoid about

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:05.480
<v Speaker 2>some things and whatever. Life is that way, and we

0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 2>all have a fight or flight and adrenaline and maybe

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 2>too much fatigue, the blood of lactate and all that.

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 2>It's all physiological and cycle physiological. But if you put

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 2>something into certain people who are very sensitive to begin with,

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and you don't know what the outcome is going to be.

0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes that outcome can be okay, but a lot of

0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 2>times it's very destructive.

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So an album called Smiley Smile comes out, It's

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:46.719
<v Speaker 1>got good vibrations, heroes and villains. Then Wild Honey and

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>do It Again.

0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I love those songs.

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:53.880
<v Speaker 2>So how does control of the about Darlin?

0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Absolutely, yeah, you know. But there's that, there's the

0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Friend's album, there's twenty twenty. What is the difference in

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 1>recording those records as opposed to, you know, before Smiley Smiled,

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 1>before Brian you know, went into his own world.

0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, we actually put a recording study in Brian's home

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 2>in bel Air and we were able to do the

0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Wild Honey album there. In fact, I went to the

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:30.799
<v Speaker 2>kitchen and he owned a health food store called the

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Radiant Radish at the time, and I opened the cabinet

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 2>because I was making some tea, and I looked up

0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:39.320
<v Speaker 2>and I said wild Honey, And I said, that's a

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 2>great title for a girl or a guy who's in

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:47.280
<v Speaker 2>love with this girl and maybe his mom doesn't feel

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the same way, like she's good enough for her son,

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 2>but he's intent on being with this girl. So I

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.840
<v Speaker 2>wrote the lyrics while the guys were doing the track.

0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 2>And that was because I saw that wild Honey and

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I said, what a great title.

0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Now on that album, Carl starts to sing more. He sings,

0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was made to lover?

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:08.319
<v Speaker 2>He did.

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Is that just happened naturally? Or is he feeling a

0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:15.359
<v Speaker 1>vacancy that Brian used? Tell and how do you feel.

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:20.080
<v Speaker 2>That, Colonel Bryant. Carl, it was just his own force

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 2>of nature when I came to the vocals, I mean

0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:25.880
<v Speaker 2>sang the lead on God only knows, Okay, that's phenomenal,

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:31.319
<v Speaker 2>sang the lead the lyrics, I mean the verses of

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Good Vibrations, which went to number one. And I don't

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 2>know if you knew this, but as a psychologist in Sheffield, England,

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago said that Good Vibrations was

0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:46.120
<v Speaker 2>the number one song for making people feel good.

0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Really, I didn't know.

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:51.759
<v Speaker 2>All these years later, I'll take it. It's pretty amazing

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and it's true it just puts a smile on piece

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 2>of people's faces. But at any rate, so Carl did,

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I was I was made the lover, which the Stevie

0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 2>wonder song. I thought he did an amazing, amazing, amazing

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 2>but Darlin I wrote the words that the guys did

0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:13.240
<v Speaker 2>the track, Well.

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Where did the words come from?

0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:21.799
<v Speaker 2>It was just a romantic, romantic poem that I came

0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:26.120
<v Speaker 2>up with, similar to the poem of good Vibrations. I

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:28.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know if words could say, but Darling will find

0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>a way to let you know what you meant to me.

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess it was meant to be, you know that

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. So it was just a beautiful little poem,

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:42.760
<v Speaker 2>a romantic poem about how special this squirrel made you feel.

0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I think sort of the sweetest songs.

0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Conventional wisdom is that you and Dennis butted heads.

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 1>How is your relationship with Dennis and how is your

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:56.120
<v Speaker 1>relationship with Carl?

0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Carl was number of Dennis was a problem because he

0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 2>did drugs and alcohol. We had to actually kick him

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.400
<v Speaker 2>out of the group from time to time because he,

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was unstable. But even it was interesting

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:17.000
<v Speaker 2>even though he was had been drinking or something. If

0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:20.399
<v Speaker 2>we ever found ourselves together in a situation, he said,

0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:25.080
<v Speaker 2>let's meditate. He is the guy who called and said,

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:30.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'd gone back to England. From Paris in

0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:33.200
<v Speaker 2>December sixty seven when he there his unise show there

0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:37.719
<v Speaker 2>and Dennis called and said, you got to come back

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.400
<v Speaker 2>to Paris. I said, why because Maurice is going to

0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:43.600
<v Speaker 2>teach us to meditate. So you sure He says, yeah,

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:46.919
<v Speaker 2>I think so. I said, we'll find out for sure.

0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:50.200
<v Speaker 2>So he did call me back a little while later.

0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 2>He says, yeah, it's on it. Come in tomorrow and

0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:56.319
<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to bring fruit and flowers and a handkerchief,

0:53:56.400 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 2>and which we did. We got some flowers. There was

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 2>a Sunday and about the week before Christmas and Mari

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 2>she taught many of us meditation. He first he met

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:12.640
<v Speaker 2>with us until it was told us what it was about.

0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Then he brought us back in and actually taught us,

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.719
<v Speaker 2>which was fascinating, and I was the most relaxed I'd

0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>ever been in life through the meditation. I said, well,

0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 2>this is so simple to do that anybody can do it,

0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:28.560
<v Speaker 2>and if everybody did it, it'd be an entirely different world.

0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:31.320
<v Speaker 2>And that was his old plan, is to create something

0:54:31.360 --> 0:54:36.799
<v Speaker 2>that which could create world peace. So that really affected me.

0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:43.000
<v Speaker 2>But Dennis, because of that connection through meditation and we

0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:46.680
<v Speaker 2>uh even though he would go off the deep end,

0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 2>literally and figuratively with alcohol and drugs. I mean we

0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 2>had to. He was dating the girl who who would

0:54:56.080 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 2>introduce him to heroin, and we had to throw heroin away.

0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean our road manager I had to take and

0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 2>throw it in the throw it away and as we

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:09.759
<v Speaker 2>went into New Zealand because they don't look kindly importing

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:16.360
<v Speaker 2>heroin there, nor do they like that in Singapore. And

0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:19.520
<v Speaker 2>the fact that says on the boarding or the entry

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:25.560
<v Speaker 2>card that says importation of drugs is punishable by death, Yeah,

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:29.800
<v Speaker 2>that'll get your attention. But anyway, so he had these

0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:36.800
<v Speaker 2>this he was very generous and all kinds of great things,

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 2>but and a lot of energy and charisma. But he

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:47.279
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get off those dependencies and it screwed him up.

0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean he ended up drowning in the La Marina

0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 2>and under the influence.

0:55:57.440 --> 0:55:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you think he did ship just to piss you off.

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:02.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I think he was just out of his mind through

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the alcohol and the drugs. I don't think he did

0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 2>it on purpose. I just think everybody acts differently. Some

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 2>people go to sleep if they drink too much, and

0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:22.040
<v Speaker 2>some people get crazy when they drink too much. Well,

0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:23.359
<v Speaker 2>he was a crazy part.

0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go back to the beginning. How does al

0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Jardine leave the group replaced by Dave Marx in the

0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Al Jardine come back and replace David Marx.

0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, he thought he'd be best off going to dental school,

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:47.240
<v Speaker 2>so he'd quit the group after surfing came out. And

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:54.000
<v Speaker 2>there was a neighbor of the Wilson's where David Marx

0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:56.720
<v Speaker 2>lived across the street, and they used to play guitar

0:56:56.800 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 2>with Carls. He was a real natural fit. So he

0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:05.760
<v Speaker 2>was a rhythm guitarist and he really nice guy. Another

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:13.800
<v Speaker 2>fellow who you know, let his you know, didn't maintain

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 2>his sobriety. So great and it's been through a rough

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:21.479
<v Speaker 2>time for a lot of his life. But a great

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:26.960
<v Speaker 2>guy and a good guitar player. But his parents were

0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was a very young guy, fourteen fifteen

0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:37.000
<v Speaker 2>years old, and his parents were vigilant. And Murray was

0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:39.720
<v Speaker 2>doing what he wanted to do with the group and

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:43.680
<v Speaker 2>they didn't approve of it. So Murray set it up

0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to fire David and brought out Jardine back in not

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.960
<v Speaker 2>as a principal but as a paid employee for a while.

0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Before he became a full partner.

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 1>So was said that he wanted Al Jardine in the group.

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Where did he really want David Marks out?

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 2>He wanted Dave Marks out because I think his parents

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:15.640
<v Speaker 2>were or not, you know, in favor of the whimery

0:58:15.960 --> 0:58:20.120
<v Speaker 2>was treating him. But the thing is, Ellen Jardine has

0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:24.640
<v Speaker 2>a great voice. He's an amazing singer, and so he

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:28.280
<v Speaker 2>could you know, people can sing a note, but can

0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 2>they blend. He could blend with Carl and Brian and

0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 2>myself very well. And so yeah, it was it was

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:42.760
<v Speaker 2>a good addition there. So can you tell us about

0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:45.040
<v Speaker 2>the two versions have helped me? Ron It comes out

0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:48.040
<v Speaker 2>on Beach Boys Today in one version, then there's a

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:51.640
<v Speaker 2>hit version which is included in Summer Days and Summer Nights.

0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:56.920
<v Speaker 2>That's right, Well helped me run to the original version

0:58:57.080 --> 0:58:59.880
<v Speaker 2>was what it was. But we thought we could have

0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:01.760
<v Speaker 2>a little bit and I came over with a couple

0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:04.680
<v Speaker 2>of ball pop bops and stuff. I wrote the words

0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:07.760
<v Speaker 2>and Brian did the track and we all did the

0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:10.919
<v Speaker 2>harmonies together. So we just thought it was a song

0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 2>that we thought we could do just a little bit

0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 2>more with and it worked out. It went to number

0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 2>one and Al Jordane sang the lead on that one,

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:18.760
<v Speaker 2>by the way.

0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, That's why I brought it up, Okay, Brian is

0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:26.160
<v Speaker 1>often never never Land. You have this incredible string of hits,

0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the music itself starts to change. There starts to be

0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:34.840
<v Speaker 1>underground FM rock radio. There are bands that don't have

0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:40.200
<v Speaker 1>conventional top forty hits. To what degree do you feel

0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 1>internal pressure and external pressure to create top forty hits?

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:48.480
<v Speaker 1>And to what to where are you paying attention to

0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:51.520
<v Speaker 1>all these bands, whether it be Cream, there is a

0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:53.200
<v Speaker 1>million of them that are on the FF.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean the thing is, I think u

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<v Speaker 2>uh egotistically, you always want to have a number one record.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure you're going You're going to go for it, and

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<v Speaker 2>but you talk about the times are a change, and

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Dylan said it and uh and so things did

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<v Speaker 2>change in that that album Oriented Rock came along and

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<v Speaker 2>we did a few things that resonated pretty well with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But at that point we didn't have Brian in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the producer chair. It became more democratic, shall we say. So,

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<v Speaker 2>we'd have Al come up with a couple of tunes

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<v Speaker 2>like California Saga and the on one album and you

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<v Speaker 2>have Bruce come up with a couple of great songs,

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<v Speaker 2>and and then Carl of course come up, came up

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<v Speaker 2>with some nice stuff, and Dennis at his own album

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<v Speaker 2>and we did forever with him. In fact, that song

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<v Speaker 2>was played on Full House and Uncle Jesse got married.

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<v Speaker 2>At any rate, we just did it at the Beach

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<v Speaker 2>Life festivals, you know, backing up Staymos anyway, so it

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<v Speaker 2>became a little bit more democratic, shall we say? It

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<v Speaker 2>was different than the early to mid sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, your contract with Capital is over, You form your

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<v Speaker 1>own company, Brother Records. You put out Sunflower, which is

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<v Speaker 1>on Warner Brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes Forpries.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. To me, I listened to that. I'm all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, isn't it time? It's got all this stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>What was the experience on your side of the fact?

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<v Speaker 1>Was Mo Austin disappointed? Did you believe it had the

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<v Speaker 1>commercial success you wanted it to have.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we had any commercial success to speak

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<v Speaker 2>of at that time, I think, But I think there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of little gems on these albums. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that one and Holland and you know Beach Boys today.

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<v Speaker 2>All the there's always a really sweet song or two

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<v Speaker 2>or three.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, just to go back one more time, tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about Brian leaving the touring group. That was nineteen sixty four.

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<v Speaker 2>He was having what they call a nervous breakdown touring

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and also there were some things that were

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<v Speaker 2>making him feel a little weird in addition to touring,

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<v Speaker 2>so he left obstensibly to spend more time producing records

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<v Speaker 2>and arranging and recording, which worked out beautifully. But and

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<v Speaker 2>then Carl and I were, as I mentioned earlier, we were.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the musical director of the group at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was more of the the lead singer and

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who got involved with all the the uh

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<v Speaker 2>live music touring stuff. Who were gonna Who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be our opening act? I mean, we had some great

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<v Speaker 2>opening acts. Buffalo Springfield I saw a tour were Buffalo Springs. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're out Feerfield University in Connecticut. I was nineteen sixty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, we else was that Soul Survivors Expressway to Your

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<v Speaker 1>Heart exactly on that bill.

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<v Speaker 2>We had paid a half million dollars or a quarter

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<v Speaker 2>million anyway to get a nice live you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>as our music grew and as our the audience grew,

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<v Speaker 2>we need a better sound than was afforded by most venues.

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<v Speaker 2>So we spent all this money, and I remember Soul

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<v Speaker 2>Survivors getting our microphones down and banging them on the

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<v Speaker 2>floor and stuff. So, and they were going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest crew in the world or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, one hit wonder. So all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the game is changing, music is blowing up

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<v Speaker 1>the fillmore East, it's announced it's going to close. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys end up playing the closing night of the film, Maurice,

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<v Speaker 1>How does that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>You mean with the Grateful Dead? Yeah, yeah, well we

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<v Speaker 2>were invited to join.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, that was actually a different gig. Was this

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<v Speaker 1>was the final night you came on like six or eight.

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<v Speaker 1>The final night was the Allman Brothers. Oh but you

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<v Speaker 1>also played with the Grateful Dead on an earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was the one I thought you were meant

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<v Speaker 2>because that was quite memorable.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so tell me about that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was great. I mean we did a few songs

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<v Speaker 2>with the Grateful Dead and they played along with us,

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<v Speaker 2>We played along with them, whatever it was it was.

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<v Speaker 1>But how did it happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I'm not sure. I don't remember exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how it happened, except our management got an inquiry and said,

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<v Speaker 2>would youize guys like to join us? And so we said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>why not, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the first album on Warner Brothers is not

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<v Speaker 1>commercially successful. The second album my Warner brother sirs Up

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<v Speaker 1>is okay. CIRs Up. The song is pulled from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Leonard Bernstein Special years before, and there's success. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>feel there was you know, you're on one side of

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<v Speaker 1>the fence, consumers on the other. Did you feel the

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<v Speaker 1>momentum starting with the surs Up album?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it definitely penetrated that aar field and it

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<v Speaker 2>resonated with that whole genre of music. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you write Student Demonstration time?

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<v Speaker 2>The song Riot and so block number nine right was

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<v Speaker 2>the inspiration for that. It was the same song except

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<v Speaker 2>I rewrote the lyrics and the whole idea was, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's these problems going on in the world with the

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnam and the integration and all these kind of things.

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<v Speaker 2>But to put yourself in front of a tank or

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<v Speaker 2>take your life in your hands, I mean, I just

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<v Speaker 2>think it it's better if one finds more creative ways

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<v Speaker 2>to resolve or solve problems hopefully then putting your life's

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<v Speaker 2>and harms way. So that was the concept. Next time

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<v Speaker 2>there's a riot, your best stay out of sight.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the Beach Boys gain momentum. They're now playing arenas.

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<v Speaker 1>Put out a double live out. This is the Beach

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<v Speaker 1>Boys in concert. Okay, that's a double live album comes

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<v Speaker 1>out at that time, and the Beach Boys are doing

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<v Speaker 1>incredible live business. They're playing arenas. So did you feel

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<v Speaker 1>that momentum and what do you think people finally realized

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<v Speaker 1>how great you were? Remember what year that was, seventy three.

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember that Reagan came into power at some

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<v Speaker 2>point that during that time period, right, and his sort

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<v Speaker 2>of general positivity kind of mirrored the positivity in our

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<v Speaker 2>earlier music and later music as well, because we were

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<v Speaker 2>almost always ex accentuating the positive in our songs. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not in one hundred percent of them, but for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part. So I think just the times changed again

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<v Speaker 2>to favor our sort of philosophy in our in our

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<v Speaker 2>body of music.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, The Being Flames put out on a Brother Records label. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>Blondie Chaplain and Ricky Fetar end up helping you out

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<v Speaker 1>or being members of the group on Holland and Blondie

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<v Speaker 1>even things sail on Sailor? Was that just an organic thing?

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<v Speaker 1>How did they end up in the group.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Carl met them in London and they were performing

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<v Speaker 2>there as a group. The Flame and Brother Records hired

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<v Speaker 2>them or contracted him to do some music, which we

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<v Speaker 2>did with them, and they in fact participated in that

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<v Speaker 2>coincided with Dennis screwing up his hands so he literally

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<v Speaker 2>could not drum. So Ricky Fatar, who was a great

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<v Speaker 2>guy and a fantastic singer, he played the drums and

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<v Speaker 2>Blondie he came in with his guitar and his soucial

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<v Speaker 2>voice and he really tore it up. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>just added a whole different dimension of the Beach Boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Music. And how do he end up singing sale on Sailor?

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<v Speaker 1>I think his voice was just perfect for it. And

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<v Speaker 1>the story is that that song was written pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>after the album was complete they went to Brian. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that a true story?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recall. I wasn't totally involved with that, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Riley is involved in the group at this point

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<v Speaker 1>in time as a manager. He even sings a song.

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<v Speaker 2>Day and Life of the Truth, right, So what's your

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<v Speaker 2>take on that. Well, he was an aor guy out

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<v Speaker 2>in LA and he actually did some great lyrics with

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<v Speaker 2>Carl Wilson and some of Carl's stuff because Carl that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't particularly astute lyrically, but he was musically is great

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<v Speaker 2>and vocally obviously brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>But or you know, yeah, so he was helped out

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<v Speaker 1>a lot by So how did you feel about him

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<v Speaker 1>singing a Beach Boys song?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was weird. I thought it was weird,

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<v Speaker 2>but hey, people do wear things from time to time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So in the summer of seventy five, Capitol puts

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<v Speaker 1>out a double album Greatest Hits on the Beach Boys.

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<v Speaker 1>It becomes it was a seventy four or seventy five.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go on record. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, I think it's seventy five, to be honest

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<v Speaker 1>with you, but it's gigantic.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless summer right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any input or are they just doing

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<v Speaker 1>it under contracting or sitting at hole.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I had plenty of input because one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I always thought, it's good to have an album that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>when you do a concert, you want one song to

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<v Speaker 2>support the next song, you don't want it to overwhelm

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, you don't go four o nine and

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<v Speaker 2>that Gonnelly knows, and I get around you go, Gonnelly

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<v Speaker 2>knows Sloop John B. Wouldn't it be nice you go?

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<v Speaker 2>So I would? First of all, I named the album.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us how you named it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they were going to call it Beach Best the

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<v Speaker 2>Beach Boys Volume three or something, right, I said, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no such thing. But if you call it Endless Summer,

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<v Speaker 2>all these songs that people enjoyed for so many years

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<v Speaker 2>in the sixties and now it's the seventies, that people

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<v Speaker 2>who are just getting into music are going to think

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<v Speaker 2>of this as a new album, and when they listen

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<v Speaker 2>to it, we're going to sequence it so that it

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<v Speaker 2>gives a really nice lift to the person who's the listener.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, you're able to feature your ballads but

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<v Speaker 2>also your your mid tempo and your up tempo on

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<v Speaker 2>they And so my my deal was in doing concerts

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<v Speaker 2>is to work on the set list every night, and okay,

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<v Speaker 2>which songs are twelve sing songs, so you don't have

1:12:19.120 --> 1:12:21.840
<v Speaker 2>to go back and forth doing it. I used to

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<v Speaker 2>call it the guitar change ballet. Anyway, so we would

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<v Speaker 2>we would plan on it like that. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I came up with the album title Endless Summer

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<v Speaker 2>because there was a huge movie called Endless Summer. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a surfing movie, right, So it just made a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sense to me. And then I did I

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<v Speaker 2>helped do the sequencings of the album too.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but it took over the summer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was three million coffee rights and a million

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure that you had no expectations would be

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<v Speaker 3>that big. No, we didn't, not in the beginning, but

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<v Speaker 3>we were loving it. We still recall us recent tours

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<v Speaker 3>in the summer gold and it's true. I mean, so

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<v Speaker 3>many of those songs people still love to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So then it's Brian is back, There's fifteen Big Ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Beach Boys Love You. What was your experience

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<v Speaker 1>on those records?

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<v Speaker 2>Fifteen Big Olins is pretty cool? You know. I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>working on that record with Brian, I said, Brian, we

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<v Speaker 2>did pretty good with with Chuck Berry and us, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't we do rock and roll music? And I went

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<v Speaker 2>the top five, which is pretty good beatles of their version.

1:13:43.160 --> 1:13:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Chuck Berry obviously is the original but rock and roll music.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a big hit for us. And what was

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<v Speaker 2>it about? Six maybe I fear exactly how many original

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<v Speaker 2>and somebody covers?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? And then Brian is back. There's a special

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<v Speaker 1>featuring Belushian Ackroyd. The album is called Beach Boys Love You.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you feel about that?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was pretty funny that they rusted him

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<v Speaker 2>fa failure. Yes, that's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Classic and he was let's go surfing now everybody's starting

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<v Speaker 1>out coming to Safari with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was really fun. I thought it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, but then Brian starts to fade a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimately you do La the Light album and you do

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<v Speaker 1>a disco version of Here Comes the Night.

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce actually did that one, Okay, Bruce Johnson took over

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<v Speaker 2>that dealer.

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<v Speaker 1>And in retrospect, good decision, bad decision, irrelevant.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was the greatest decision ever. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Beg's were the disco kings, right yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so no, it was, but it was the genre. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it was, you know, an attempt to be part

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<v Speaker 2>of the genre, you know, although that's long since gone

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<v Speaker 2>right right sure? And in the Summer album and the

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds of Summer album lives on.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, tell me about Glenn Campbell being in the group

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<v Speaker 1>and then being replaced by Bruce Johnston.

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<v Speaker 2>Glenn Campbell was one of the Wrecking Crew. He was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the greatest musician, unbelievable guitar player, but he

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<v Speaker 2>also sing really well. He could sing high, like as

1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:48.679
<v Speaker 2>in falsetto that Brian did, and so we needed somebody

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to take over for Brian for a

1:15:51.240 --> 1:15:55.120
<v Speaker 2>few months before we found a more permanent replacement. So

1:15:56.280 --> 1:15:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Glenn built in from sixty four to early sixty five,

1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, and Bruce joined us in The first

1:16:05.439 --> 1:16:08.559
<v Speaker 2>song he sang with was California Girls in nineteen sixty five.

1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.280
<v Speaker 2>But in the meantime, Glenn was with us for a

1:16:12.400 --> 1:16:15.800
<v Speaker 2>while and he was great. He was so funny, he

1:16:15.920 --> 1:16:20.040
<v Speaker 2>was so such a brilliant musician. He played bass with us,

1:16:20.280 --> 1:16:22.679
<v Speaker 2>just like Brian played bass, because that's what we needed

1:16:23.720 --> 1:16:26.439
<v Speaker 2>bass player. So that was nothing for him to do.

1:16:26.560 --> 1:16:29.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean, people will guitarists will listen to

1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:32.400
<v Speaker 2>his guitar playing, they say, how the hell do he

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<v Speaker 2>do that? So and the greatest thing about it was

1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:39.120
<v Speaker 2>his sense of humor at the time, he kept us

1:16:39.200 --> 1:16:43.839
<v Speaker 2>in stitches at Arkansas farm Boy humor. It was hilarious.

1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:51.040
<v Speaker 2>But he was a true genius musically, true genius. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the greatest.

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<v Speaker 1>So did he say, you know, I want to leave

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<v Speaker 1>and have my own solo career. How did he end

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<v Speaker 1>up va?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he was on his way to becoming Glenn Campbell,

1:17:00.760 --> 1:17:04.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, own what do you call golf thing going

1:17:04.680 --> 1:17:12.920
<v Speaker 2>on and great records and hugely successful. So yeah, but

1:17:13.040 --> 1:17:16.680
<v Speaker 2>he was destined to be a huge star. But he

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<v Speaker 2>was a blessing to have for a little while there

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty five.

1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:24.360
<v Speaker 1>And how did you get Bruce in the group?

1:17:25.200 --> 1:17:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I met Bruce in Las Vegas and I said, we

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<v Speaker 2>need somebody to fill in for my cousin Brian. We've

1:17:32.439 --> 1:17:35.200
<v Speaker 2>had link Glenn Campbell for a while, but he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to do that permanently. So he called around

1:17:40.160 --> 1:17:43.320
<v Speaker 2>and he couldn't find anybody, said, well, let me try it.

1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:47.360
<v Speaker 2>So he we hired him and he went and learned

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<v Speaker 2>to play bass for the gig. And in fact I

1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:53.960
<v Speaker 2>went to see him and we were in Florida and

1:17:54.120 --> 1:17:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I went to his room to see how he was doing.

1:17:58.080 --> 1:18:01.200
<v Speaker 2>And he had the TV and the bed u. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the TV doing in the bed? He says, well,

1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:08.280
<v Speaker 2>it's not well And I should have run at that point,

1:18:08.400 --> 1:18:13.479
<v Speaker 2>but it didn't, you know. But anyway, he very gifted musician,

1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:18.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, got a Grammy for writing. I write the songs,

1:18:18.600 --> 1:18:18.760
<v Speaker 2>you know.

1:18:19.680 --> 1:18:21.040
<v Speaker 1>And he.

1:18:23.080 --> 1:18:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Did some beautiful songs on on our albums, really nice ones.

1:18:26.800 --> 1:18:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean they weren't typical Beach Boys songs, but they're

1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:31.120
<v Speaker 2>they're his style of writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, the end of really before the Cocomo era,

1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:38.519
<v Speaker 1>you make one album with James William Guercio, Keeping the

1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Summer Alive. How was that experience?

1:18:41.600 --> 1:18:46.280
<v Speaker 2>That was interesting? It was Carl writing with what was

1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:50.640
<v Speaker 2>it the guys from Canada taking care of business and

1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:55.519
<v Speaker 2>working on bt O Bachman Turner Overdive. Yeah, so Randy

1:18:55.600 --> 1:18:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Bachman he just said a lo to us. We just

1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:03.360
<v Speaker 2>did a tour in Canada month or Sogo, and yeah,

1:19:03.720 --> 1:19:07.960
<v Speaker 2>he was a writing partner on Keeping Summer Live with Carl,

1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:11.200
<v Speaker 2>and I think it was great, good concept. I mean

1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:14.080
<v Speaker 2>for the Beach Boys to we've been keeping the Summer

1:19:14.120 --> 1:19:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Alive so to speak, for decades. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's go all the way back to being

1:19:27.320 --> 1:19:30.080
<v Speaker 1>we go to sixty two, we go to surfing. You know,

1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you're married, you got a kid, you got another kid

1:19:33.160 --> 1:19:37.120
<v Speaker 1>on the way. It's on Candix Records, it's on Capitol.

1:19:38.200 --> 1:19:44.519
<v Speaker 1>You have success. The four seasons on the East Coast

1:19:44.640 --> 1:19:48.479
<v Speaker 1>have sort of big success. But you know, there's a

1:19:48.560 --> 1:19:51.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of independent labels at the time, a lot of

1:19:51.520 --> 1:19:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Top forty, and then the Beatles come in a what

1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:59.120
<v Speaker 1>did you think of the Beatles coming in in their

1:19:59.280 --> 1:20:03.280
<v Speaker 1>music and and you ultimately met the Beatles, Yeah, we did.

1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was pretty interesting that they had a

1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:14.680
<v Speaker 2>contest kf W Beatles or kf W Beach Boys. It

1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:18.200
<v Speaker 2>was a competitions, a rivalry in a competition. We were

1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:21.160
<v Speaker 2>on the same label, which is good for Capitol, Rutgers

1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:28.120
<v Speaker 2>and AMI internationally. But they were fantastic and meteoric, right.

1:20:28.200 --> 1:20:32.240
<v Speaker 2>They were huge for how many years, you know, and

1:20:32.479 --> 1:20:36.320
<v Speaker 2>their music is their catalog lives on, you know, it's

1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:42.960
<v Speaker 2>a fantastic one. In fact, the Rolling Stone magazine did

1:20:43.000 --> 1:20:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that top five hundred rock albums of all time and

1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Sergeant Pepper's number one and Pat Sounds number two. It's

1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:55.599
<v Speaker 2>a good company. So, yeah, we we went to see him.

1:20:56.120 --> 1:20:58.879
<v Speaker 2>I remember Carl BLUs and I went to Portland, Oregon

1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:03.479
<v Speaker 2>and met with him backstage. They were doing a concert

1:21:03.600 --> 1:21:06.960
<v Speaker 2>there and John Lennon's voice was out and he says, well,

1:21:07.000 --> 1:21:08.559
<v Speaker 2>when we get to that part of the song, shake

1:21:08.640 --> 1:21:11.960
<v Speaker 2>your heads and girls of scream and no nobody even

1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:15.240
<v Speaker 2>hear anything. But what are we talking about? Girls and cars?

1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:19.400
<v Speaker 2>My cousin Carl had an Aston Martin dB five. Really yeah.

1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:24.719
<v Speaker 2>George Harrison loved racing cars and I was an audio.

1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I was an Anglo file when it came to I

1:21:27.920 --> 1:21:33.360
<v Speaker 2>had a forty eight MG, thirty nine Rules Royce, an

1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:35.560
<v Speaker 2>x K E in the middle, this is all in

1:21:35.600 --> 1:21:37.799
<v Speaker 2>the sixties, and a Jaguar Sedan.

1:21:38.600 --> 1:21:39.920
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we were.

1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:46.160
<v Speaker 2>We were rivals, but I think it was really positive.

1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:51.000
<v Speaker 2>In fact, we had a birthday party at Carl Wilson's

1:21:51.160 --> 1:21:54.920
<v Speaker 2>house he was renting in Malibu, and Paul McCartney came

1:21:54.960 --> 1:21:59.479
<v Speaker 2>to that party, he and his wife Linda, and he

1:21:59.520 --> 1:22:02.920
<v Speaker 2>says to Brian, who was there. He says, Brian, when

1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:04.599
<v Speaker 2>are you going to give us some of the pet sounds.

1:22:04.640 --> 1:22:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I was listening to the album going through Mohan Drive

1:22:08.439 --> 1:22:12.160
<v Speaker 2>and tears coming out of my eyes, you know, so

1:22:12.360 --> 1:22:16.880
<v Speaker 2>he loved pet Sounds album, and he loved Only Knows

1:22:16.960 --> 1:22:21.240
<v Speaker 2>and What's Not the Life with Yesterday and all these

1:22:21.680 --> 1:22:23.240
<v Speaker 2>great songs that he came up.

1:22:23.400 --> 1:22:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you start in the early sixties, music starts

1:22:27.200 --> 1:22:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to dominate at the culture in a way that people

1:22:29.240 --> 1:22:33.040
<v Speaker 1>today can't understand. Are the Beach Boys their own thing?

1:22:33.160 --> 1:22:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Are you now interacting with all the other hit acts?

1:22:37.680 --> 1:22:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about interacting. I've always thought that the

1:22:40.439 --> 1:22:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Beach Boys are a sonic oasis. It's like its own thing,

1:22:45.720 --> 1:22:50.879
<v Speaker 2>and some of the songs are the potential to be immortal,

1:22:52.080 --> 1:22:55.400
<v Speaker 2>and so you know, it's just it's coming from a

1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:58.280
<v Speaker 2>place of love, the love of harmonizing together. I mean,

1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:07.320
<v Speaker 2>forgetting the you know, whether you're famous or successful financially

1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:10.479
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, at the core, it's the love

1:23:10.560 --> 1:23:14.599
<v Speaker 2>of the harmonies, and that I think gives a certain feeling,

1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:20.240
<v Speaker 2>an uplifting feeling that people they feel it. I don't

1:23:20.240 --> 1:23:23.200
<v Speaker 2>know if they intellectually understand it, but they feel it.

1:23:24.479 --> 1:23:27.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, it touches them, touches their hearts. And you

1:23:27.880 --> 1:23:32.280
<v Speaker 2>see that irrespective of the age, when you see a

1:23:32.400 --> 1:23:37.519
<v Speaker 2>crowd of fifty sixty seventy thousand people singing along and

1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:43.560
<v Speaker 2>having a great times. It's joyous and so that you

1:23:43.640 --> 1:23:47.920
<v Speaker 2>know that I've always said were a sonic oasis. We

1:23:48.000 --> 1:23:50.439
<v Speaker 2>weren't trying to keep up with anybody, weren't trying to

1:23:51.680 --> 1:23:54.599
<v Speaker 2>put anybody down because they were doing so great or something.

1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:58.840
<v Speaker 2>And there's always been people who were fantastic. I mean

1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:05.960
<v Speaker 2>about Michael Jackson, you know, phenomenal and brilliant, and you

1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:11.600
<v Speaker 2>know so many other people you can mention that We've

1:24:11.640 --> 1:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>loved all the music. I'm almost I was friendly with

1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Marvin Gay.

1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:20.280
<v Speaker 1>We did, but how does how do you meet a

1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>how do you meet him? And he was notoriously edgy personality,

1:24:24.160 --> 1:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>so how'd you get along with them?

1:24:26.160 --> 1:24:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm gray with him. I smoked a joint with him

1:24:29.720 --> 1:24:33.639
<v Speaker 2>at the Tammy Show out on a break and we went.

1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:38.760
<v Speaker 2>We were on tour and in in Europe, and he

1:24:39.000 --> 1:24:42.640
<v Speaker 2>was there on the tour we were on and we

1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:45.640
<v Speaker 2>did silly things like you know how people set out

1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:49.320
<v Speaker 2>their shoes to be shined at night. We would change

1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:51.679
<v Speaker 2>the people's shoes around and stuff. And this is Marvin

1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Gay and Mike Love and so he he he had

1:24:56.400 --> 1:24:59.839
<v Speaker 2>he lived in Holland for a while because he was addicted,

1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:03.439
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately to heroin, and so he could get what he

1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:08.560
<v Speaker 2>needed without being without it being a problem. But the

1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I R S took everything from him. So we had

1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:14.360
<v Speaker 2>some friends who were helping to get back together on

1:25:14.520 --> 1:25:18.479
<v Speaker 2>tour and I went and visited with Marvin and he

1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:21.639
<v Speaker 2>was He was telling me songs that he had come

1:25:21.760 --> 1:25:25.880
<v Speaker 2>up with, which which were amazing, and and I actually

1:25:25.960 --> 1:25:28.400
<v Speaker 2>went on and saw him on his final tour. That

1:25:28.600 --> 1:25:31.400
<v Speaker 2>was the when he got home, that's when his father

1:25:31.880 --> 1:25:32.360
<v Speaker 2>shot him.

1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:34.599
<v Speaker 1>What about Jean Berry?

1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Jan Berry was very aggressive guy. He took Brian came

1:25:40.320 --> 1:25:43.000
<v Speaker 2>over with the idea for Surf City and jan Berry

1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:46.040
<v Speaker 2>took it over. And my uncle Murray wasn't happy about

1:25:46.080 --> 1:25:50.160
<v Speaker 2>that at all, but yeah, but he was, he was.

1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:55.280
<v Speaker 2>You know what the interesting thing about Jan and Dean was,

1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:59.200
<v Speaker 2>it was Jan and Arnie originally with baby talk. But

1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Jan and Dean I said, well, we can do is

1:26:02.360 --> 1:26:05.519
<v Speaker 2>least as well as them. And they'll say there was

1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:08.160
<v Speaker 2>sort of an inspiration. They preceded us by a year

1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:11.439
<v Speaker 2>or two. And so when we did surfing, we said

1:26:11.640 --> 1:26:14.439
<v Speaker 2>in Surf and SAPARi, we said, oh we can do

1:26:14.520 --> 1:26:15.559
<v Speaker 2>as well as those guys.

1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us how we stole Surfing City.

1:26:19.479 --> 1:26:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Uh well, I think Brian was just open an open book,

1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you know. He he would share anything with anybody, and

1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>he he you know, he happened to I don't know

1:26:35.040 --> 1:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>how that happened because I wasn't there, but he did

1:26:39.560 --> 1:26:42.599
<v Speaker 2>to the two girls for every boy, that kind of thing, right,

1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:48.120
<v Speaker 2>and got that song going and and Jan finished it up,

1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:52.080
<v Speaker 2>of course, but uh yeah, Michael Murray was not happy

1:26:52.120 --> 1:26:54.720
<v Speaker 2>with that. It was the number one song, right in

1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:55.439
<v Speaker 2>a great song.

1:26:56.040 --> 1:27:01.240
<v Speaker 1>So you're married, but you're on the road, and you know,

1:27:01.439 --> 1:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>today they had cell phone cameras. They didn't used to

1:27:03.960 --> 1:27:08.240
<v Speaker 1>have that, but there are groupes opportunities. What's it like

1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>being an early twenty something guy out on the road.

1:27:12.280 --> 1:27:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, that led to my first divorce. You know, I

1:27:16.439 --> 1:27:20.120
<v Speaker 2>was married to my high school sweetheart and we had

1:27:20.520 --> 1:27:23.720
<v Speaker 2>two children. But then it was a huge show what

1:27:23.760 --> 1:27:29.040
<v Speaker 2>do you call it, temptation to be the lead singer

1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:32.040
<v Speaker 2>in a rock group and early to mid sixties and stuff,

1:27:33.680 --> 1:27:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and so I you know, I enjoyed that for a while,

1:27:37.479 --> 1:27:38.840
<v Speaker 2>but then they got it to be a little bit

1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:42.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, superficial and a little bit not the greatest,

1:27:43.840 --> 1:27:48.799
<v Speaker 2>and so I got remarried again and two more great children,

1:27:49.240 --> 1:27:51.560
<v Speaker 2>one of which is performing with us. His name is

1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Christian Love and he sings God only Knows beautifully and

1:27:55.560 --> 1:28:00.719
<v Speaker 2>it harmonizes perfectly, and so it's a family tradition again.

1:28:03.439 --> 1:28:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Still so yeah, so there is an element of that.

1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that every group has been, you know, tempted

1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>to do things and you then after a while you

1:28:18.080 --> 1:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>understand what that is and what that means. And it's

1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:24.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times it's ego. A lot of times

1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:27.560
<v Speaker 2>it makes you feel like you're a big star or

1:28:27.600 --> 1:28:30.560
<v Speaker 2>something like that, or being you can be kind of

1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>charming for a night or two. But you know, so

1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:42.639
<v Speaker 2>there was that phase. But yeah, I learned that that's

1:28:42.760 --> 1:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>not the greatest way. I've been married for thirty years.

1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:52.599
<v Speaker 2>I've been together with with Jacqueline for probably thirty seven years.

1:28:52.800 --> 1:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>How many times have been married?

1:28:55.240 --> 1:29:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I was married five times before meeting jocclin Well. One

1:29:02.960 --> 1:29:05.160
<v Speaker 2>of them was in what do you do annuled?

1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we live in California.

1:29:08.800 --> 1:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>You get divorced, you lose half of what you got,

1:29:11.439 --> 1:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily.

1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Not necessarily because you could have a pre existing contract

1:29:16.280 --> 1:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and if we have, but divorce is expensive.

1:29:19.120 --> 1:29:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Can be, but I haven't. I haven't found it to

1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:30.519
<v Speaker 2>be a problem really that way, and and and you know,

1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>let's put it this way. We were so successful in

1:29:34.080 --> 1:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>the sixties that, you know, ultimately getting the publishing and

1:29:41.280 --> 1:29:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the writing back for some of the big huts and stuff.

1:29:44.920 --> 1:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>It all works out. And we've always been continually touring

1:29:48.000 --> 1:29:52.320
<v Speaker 2>all along. I've done several thousand shows over the years.

1:29:52.439 --> 1:29:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you talk about George Herisin and you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about all the cars in your garage. Were the economics

1:30:01.640 --> 1:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>different then or were you just making so much money?

1:30:05.920 --> 1:30:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we're making so much money. We're

1:30:07.840 --> 1:30:13.599
<v Speaker 2>making enough money to go to England and order five

1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:15.479
<v Speaker 2>or six rolls Royces.

1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:18.519
<v Speaker 1>They were never cheap.

1:30:19.280 --> 1:30:21.439
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, but they weren't as much as they are now.

1:30:22.680 --> 1:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Maybe the money's uh not worth as much these days

1:30:26.360 --> 1:30:30.160
<v Speaker 2>as it once was. But no, yeah, we were successful

1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:33.799
<v Speaker 2>enough to enjoy a lot of the perks of that success.

1:30:35.040 --> 1:30:39.400
<v Speaker 2>But also you come to understand that that's that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing in life. I mean, because you may

1:30:42.520 --> 1:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>be doing well, but how is the world doing? You know?

1:30:45.479 --> 1:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>So that that really bugs me that we as collectively

1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>as the creative community, aren't doing enough to help help,

1:30:57.400 --> 1:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, like we are the world. When we did

1:31:03.840 --> 1:31:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Live Aid, we did our show from Philadelphia, they were

1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>singing along to us in Wembley Stadium. And so that's

1:31:12.760 --> 1:31:16.800
<v Speaker 2>going to be re released. I think you probably know when,

1:31:16.960 --> 1:31:17.960
<v Speaker 2>but more than most.

1:31:18.320 --> 1:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Actually I do not know when that's going to be.

1:31:21.200 --> 1:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>So it's in the works.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've been married five times, well six six, excuse me,

1:31:26.680 --> 1:31:30.639
<v Speaker 1>one was annulled. So what's the key to a successful marriage?

1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, in my case, my wife was a nurse when

1:31:36.360 --> 1:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I met her. She's brilliant and she's protected, and we

1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:49.280
<v Speaker 2>have two great children together, and we have a together

1:31:49.400 --> 1:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>as a family. We have a club, Cocomo Spirits Rum

1:31:55.240 --> 1:32:03.760
<v Speaker 2>primarily a line, and we're promoting that and my my

1:32:03.920 --> 1:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>son Brian is doing a fantastic job marketing wise there,

1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>and my wife and I are also involved with with

1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:19.360
<v Speaker 2>him in helping to promote and be creative about things.

1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:23.280
<v Speaker 2>And she's she's really creative and really great and and

1:32:24.360 --> 1:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>just a really devoted, great person. She's very spiritual in

1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:34.799
<v Speaker 2>her own way, and so that that's that's good stuff,

1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's good stuff to warrant, you know, to

1:32:40.960 --> 1:32:44.519
<v Speaker 2>have a good relationship where people love each other and

1:32:44.680 --> 1:32:50.320
<v Speaker 2>care about each other and forego any other kind of

1:32:50.400 --> 1:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>situations that get complicated.

1:32:52.800 --> 1:32:55.439
<v Speaker 1>So you're kind of saying like she keeps you in line.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, more than in line. She's she did pulmonary h

1:33:01.760 --> 1:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>what do you call it? The lungs she worked for

1:33:06.000 --> 1:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>When I met her, she was a nurse working for

1:33:08.080 --> 1:33:11.679
<v Speaker 2>a doctor who is a pulmonary specialist. If I breathe

1:33:11.720 --> 1:33:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the wrong way, she's on my case.

1:33:14.880 --> 1:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>And how many kids do you have?

1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I have eight kids?

1:33:22.240 --> 1:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>And how's your relationship with all eight?

1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:25.479
<v Speaker 2>Good? Yeah?

1:33:25.680 --> 1:33:26.919
<v Speaker 1>And are they off the payroll?

1:33:28.000 --> 1:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Pardon?

1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Are they off the payroll? Oh?

1:33:31.840 --> 1:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>No, My son, Christian sings with us, right, yeah, and

1:33:37.240 --> 1:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>so and he's great. But my oldest daughters, my two

1:33:40.680 --> 1:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>oldest daughters both worked for Southwest Airlines really and then

1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>so you know, everybody's great and we all have a

1:33:50.240 --> 1:33:53.639
<v Speaker 2>good time together, and we all spend the holidays together,

1:33:54.280 --> 1:33:54.479
<v Speaker 2>you know.

1:33:54.880 --> 1:33:56.080
<v Speaker 1>And where are you living right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I live in Inclined Village, Nevada.

1:33:58.560 --> 1:34:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Right Lakely. I'd you end up there? I went there

1:34:02.680 --> 1:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>as a kid.

1:34:03.360 --> 1:34:05.840
<v Speaker 2>My father used to like this to fish in the

1:34:05.960 --> 1:34:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Trucky River, and I just love that place all my life.

1:34:10.920 --> 1:34:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was so beautiful, and so in nineteen

1:34:16.240 --> 1:34:20.639
<v Speaker 2>eighty one I bought a property up there, so I've

1:34:20.720 --> 1:34:24.640
<v Speaker 2>lived there full time for the last thirty years. You

1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>used to live in Santa Barbara, which is gorgeous, but

1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:32.639
<v Speaker 2>California is also punitive tax wise in other ways as well,

1:34:32.880 --> 1:34:38.160
<v Speaker 2>So we're enjoying it. It's clear air, fresh air, beautiful and.

1:34:38.240 --> 1:34:41.479
<v Speaker 1>If you go on the road, you're an inclined village.

1:34:41.880 --> 1:34:45.880
<v Speaker 2>How do you get to the gig Reno? I drive

1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:50.080
<v Speaker 2>down of Reno and take any number of airlines wherever

1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I gotta go.

1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:03.080
<v Speaker 1>So you talk about taxes. Starting in the eighties, he

1:35:03.280 --> 1:35:06.840
<v Speaker 1>came out that you were on the right side politically,

1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>right as opposed to left, as opposed to correct or incorrect. Man,

1:35:11.640 --> 1:35:14.320
<v Speaker 1>you would not come out politically to the general public

1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:17.479
<v Speaker 1>before that. What are your political beliefs? And do you

1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:23.280
<v Speaker 1>believe making political statements is good, bad, necessary, unnecessary?

1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Mainly in terms of politics. I remember a guy coming

1:35:31.720 --> 1:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>up to me when we did a place coach in Chautauqua,

1:35:34.600 --> 1:35:39.879
<v Speaker 2>New York. There's a nice amphitheater there. It's a Christian community,

1:35:39.960 --> 1:35:43.280
<v Speaker 2>goes back over one hundred years, and he came up

1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:45.559
<v Speaker 2>to me and said, you know, I was really happy

1:35:46.080 --> 1:35:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to come to a concert and not have to hear

1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:54.360
<v Speaker 2>anything about politics. So I have a philosophy about what

1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:58.680
<v Speaker 2>we say in public from the stage, which is no politics,

1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>because I know there are people, you know, on this side,

1:36:04.040 --> 1:36:06.360
<v Speaker 2>that side, the other side, all kinds of sides and

1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:12.720
<v Speaker 2>opinions and everything. I think our job is entertained and

1:36:13.800 --> 1:36:20.160
<v Speaker 2>be positive and you know, literally create those good vibrations.

1:36:20.880 --> 1:36:26.799
<v Speaker 2>So I don't like to do anything in a concert

1:36:26.880 --> 1:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>setting that you know, might make people feel uncomfortable one

1:36:32.040 --> 1:36:35.639
<v Speaker 2>way or the other. So but on the other hand,

1:36:37.400 --> 1:36:43.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've performed for Donald Trump's fiftieth birthday party

1:36:43.720 --> 1:36:46.920
<v Speaker 2>in Atlantic City. He has been nothing but nice to us.

1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:54.280
<v Speaker 2>And I understand that these things are going I mean,

1:36:54.520 --> 1:36:59.639
<v Speaker 2>unbelievably climactic changes are going on, but that's the nature

1:36:59.720 --> 1:37:05.240
<v Speaker 2>of the relative, the nature of the material world, and uh,

1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>there's always going to be changed and always going to

1:37:07.680 --> 1:37:11.800
<v Speaker 2>be upheaval. Unfortunately, there's always been negative stuff going on.

1:37:13.760 --> 1:37:20.880
<v Speaker 2>So personally, if I have an experience with somebody, whether

1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:28.639
<v Speaker 2>there left, right or middle or or nothing, then then

1:37:28.720 --> 1:37:36.280
<v Speaker 2>that's that's there. What do you call it? That is

1:37:36.360 --> 1:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>their right to be the way they want to think

1:37:40.040 --> 1:37:42.560
<v Speaker 2>and act and what they want to get involved with.

1:37:43.920 --> 1:37:48.240
<v Speaker 2>I think it's sad that there's so much vilification that

1:37:48.520 --> 1:37:52.880
<v Speaker 2>that's it's it's not good. It's not good. There's too

1:37:52.960 --> 1:37:55.639
<v Speaker 2>much negativity going on. I mean, you should be able

1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:58.200
<v Speaker 2>to have a I mean, that's what free freedom of

1:37:58.240 --> 1:38:00.960
<v Speaker 2>speech is all about. You should be to say what

1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:04.439
<v Speaker 2>you want to say. And you may not like what

1:38:04.560 --> 1:38:07.519
<v Speaker 2>you're hearing, but it's good if you can at least

1:38:09.320 --> 1:38:12.680
<v Speaker 2>allow a person to express themselves and you're going to

1:38:12.760 --> 1:38:16.240
<v Speaker 2>do what you want to do anyway, and you're whatever

1:38:16.360 --> 1:38:18.679
<v Speaker 2>group you're affiliated with is going to do what they're

1:38:18.720 --> 1:38:20.479
<v Speaker 2>going to do. They're not going to change their minds

1:38:20.600 --> 1:38:28.720
<v Speaker 2>because somebody's vehement proposals. So I just think it's I

1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:32.880
<v Speaker 2>guess it's from years of meditation. I just like to

1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>transcend a come out and be positive and try to

1:38:38.040 --> 1:38:41.639
<v Speaker 2>do the best I can to be a good person

1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:47.519
<v Speaker 2>and try to help out with our celebrity where we may.

1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:53.040
<v Speaker 2>But you know, so we were invited to do New

1:38:53.120 --> 1:38:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Year's Eve actually the Saturday before New Year's Eve at

1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:01.880
<v Speaker 2>mar Logo. So we did it and people loved it.

1:39:02.479 --> 1:39:05.519
<v Speaker 2>And I've got lots of compliments, but that doesn't mean

1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:11.160
<v Speaker 2>that we're going to do stuff on stage that that

1:39:11.920 --> 1:39:13.679
<v Speaker 2>that are pro anything.

1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, a gig is a gig. If you've got a

1:39:17.439 --> 1:39:20.120
<v Speaker 1>offer to play for Nancy Pelosi, would you play for her?

1:39:20.840 --> 1:39:22.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure she does gigs.

1:39:23.479 --> 1:39:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she has a fundraiser and she says, we'll

1:39:27.800 --> 1:39:29.479
<v Speaker 1>pay your fee to come perform.

1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know. That's a hypothetical question,

1:39:33.280 --> 1:39:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I think, But I.

1:39:34.240 --> 1:39:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Let me put it a different way. Is it gig

1:39:36.040 --> 1:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>A gig someone's going to pay you, Are you going

1:39:38.280 --> 1:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>to show up? Or are you going to say? Hmm,

1:39:41.200 --> 1:39:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I approve of that person.

1:39:44.040 --> 1:39:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, it depends. It would depend on the situation and

1:39:47.280 --> 1:39:52.479
<v Speaker 2>who's involved and what their their purposes are. I mean,

1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a believe me. I'm I'm all about doing gigs.

1:39:56.600 --> 1:40:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, right, But anyway we I mean, you know,

1:40:05.280 --> 1:40:07.439
<v Speaker 2>Howard Stern said he was going to talk to anybody

1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:12.599
<v Speaker 2>who was pro Republican or something. I think that's wrong,

1:40:13.640 --> 1:40:20.280
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, Howard's great and brilliant and very

1:40:20.320 --> 1:40:23.160
<v Speaker 2>well to do, but that's not the right attitude. I

1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:28.280
<v Speaker 2>don't think or somebody in a public situation. But he's

1:40:28.520 --> 1:40:31.920
<v Speaker 2>entitled to and do and say what he wants, so

1:40:32.720 --> 1:40:36.200
<v Speaker 2>he did. I just don't think it's very uplifting because

1:40:36.200 --> 1:40:38.560
<v Speaker 2>you can have a nice dialogue with somebody, in a

1:40:38.760 --> 1:40:42.800
<v Speaker 2>conversation with and even an argument. But and that's okay,

1:40:44.280 --> 1:40:47.200
<v Speaker 2>because that's what our country's been all about for many

1:40:47.200 --> 1:40:47.559
<v Speaker 2>a years.

1:40:48.800 --> 1:40:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you've mentioned a couple of times peace in

1:40:51.920 --> 1:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the world, and we don't have peace, right You talked

1:40:55.960 --> 1:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>about we are the world being positive. What can we

1:40:59.880 --> 1:41:05.240
<v Speaker 1>do as a culture, as entertainers, performers to advance the

1:41:05.360 --> 1:41:06.759
<v Speaker 1>cause of peace in the world.

1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, like I said, I learned meditation from Marishi. I

1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:17.000
<v Speaker 2>was invited to go in India. He was talking about

1:41:17.040 --> 1:41:20.280
<v Speaker 2>world peace at a time when there was all this

1:41:20.760 --> 1:41:25.040
<v Speaker 2>stuff going on. And this is after Good Vibrations in

1:41:25.160 --> 1:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty six where they were talking about nineteen sixty eight,

1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:36.479
<v Speaker 2>and so Marishi came over with the formula for world Piece,

1:41:36.520 --> 1:41:40.040
<v Speaker 2>which involves a lot of people meditating the same time

1:41:40.120 --> 1:41:42.679
<v Speaker 2>in the same place, doing a thing called the TM

1:41:42.920 --> 1:41:48.920
<v Speaker 2>hyphen Sidhi Tmcity program. And if enough people do that

1:41:49.120 --> 1:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>together at same time place, it creates so much positivity

1:41:54.800 --> 1:41:58.599
<v Speaker 2>in the atmosphere that the negativity falls away. Now has

1:41:58.640 --> 1:42:02.639
<v Speaker 2>it been done, not to any great degree, but once

1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:06.640
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty three, and over the Christmas holidays it

1:42:06.880 --> 1:42:12.120
<v Speaker 2>was and the war deaths went down, traffic deaths went down,

1:42:12.320 --> 1:42:15.680
<v Speaker 2>hospital and missions went down, all kinds of indications of

1:42:15.800 --> 1:42:20.080
<v Speaker 2>positivity through this group. There were over seven thousand people

1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:25.000
<v Speaker 2>meditating during the TM City program. So you know, I

1:42:25.080 --> 1:42:27.760
<v Speaker 2>went to a six month long meditation course to learn

1:42:27.840 --> 1:42:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the Tmcity program in nineteen seventy seven, three months in

1:42:31.920 --> 1:42:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Switzerland and three months in no three months in France

1:42:35.600 --> 1:42:41.400
<v Speaker 2>and three months in Switzerland. And it was very interesting

1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:46.880
<v Speaker 2>because this, if you're able to do get that many

1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:53.719
<v Speaker 2>people to meditate together, it creates an amazing, super radiant effect.

1:42:55.120 --> 1:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty mystical and pretty fantastic. So the possibility exists

1:43:01.280 --> 1:43:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to have the world peace. The possibility will humanity get there?

1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:10.479
<v Speaker 2>We don't know. It's I don't know if you ever

1:43:11.680 --> 1:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>had anybody talk about the Vedas, these ancient scriptures. Well,

1:43:16.600 --> 1:43:19.600
<v Speaker 2>there's a thing called Caliyuga, which is a period of

1:43:19.720 --> 1:43:23.439
<v Speaker 2>time started about five thousand years ago, and all the

1:43:23.520 --> 1:43:26.920
<v Speaker 2>negativity you see in society and life, and you look

1:43:26.960 --> 1:43:28.760
<v Speaker 2>out on your phone every day and you see these

1:43:28.920 --> 1:43:34.160
<v Speaker 2>horrible things that have happened. That's a symptomatic of caliyuga.

1:43:34.720 --> 1:43:37.840
<v Speaker 2>There's a thing called sought yuga, which is all positivity

1:43:38.680 --> 1:43:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and peace on earth and no crime, no disease, no starvation,

1:43:44.080 --> 1:43:49.479
<v Speaker 2>no nothing negative sought yoga. Marisha came in to set

1:43:49.520 --> 1:43:55.080
<v Speaker 2>it up to have to create sought yoga within Caliyuga.

1:43:55.200 --> 1:43:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Now Coliuga goes for four hundred and twenty thousand more

1:43:58.400 --> 1:44:02.920
<v Speaker 2>years of negativetivity, but they'll be they're supposed to become

1:44:03.160 --> 1:44:08.479
<v Speaker 2>five thousand years of peace within. You can sought yoga

1:44:08.560 --> 1:44:12.679
<v Speaker 2>within Caliyuga. So that's something was foretold by these ancient

1:44:12.880 --> 1:44:18.479
<v Speaker 2>sages from India thousands of years ago. So you know,

1:44:20.200 --> 1:44:23.200
<v Speaker 2>am I going to say that that's not the truth

1:44:23.320 --> 1:44:27.040
<v Speaker 2>or not going to work. I mean it, It hasn't

1:44:27.080 --> 1:44:30.599
<v Speaker 2>been tried to any great degree, but I think it'd

1:44:30.640 --> 1:44:35.240
<v Speaker 2>be awesome if if it were to be possible to

1:44:35.360 --> 1:44:39.439
<v Speaker 2>have that many people. Like, for instance, if seven thousand

1:44:39.520 --> 1:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>people meditate together, it's like four billion, nine hundred million

1:44:46.000 --> 1:44:52.639
<v Speaker 2>people meditating because they're doing it together. Pretty amazing stuff.

1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Sought Yugo within Caliyuga. You don't find a lot of

1:44:57.000 --> 1:44:58.040
<v Speaker 2>people talking about that.

1:44:58.520 --> 1:45:00.680
<v Speaker 1>No, you don't, but you had, you know, you did

1:45:00.760 --> 1:45:04.719
<v Speaker 1>the MIU album. You know they had the Maharishi Center

1:45:04.920 --> 1:45:08.679
<v Speaker 1>in Iowa. Switching gears a little bit. You're an icon.

1:45:09.439 --> 1:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>You have also met icons. You talk about Trump, I

1:45:13.240 --> 1:45:17.880
<v Speaker 1>know you knew Bush Bush won anyway. Oh yeah, So

1:45:19.240 --> 1:45:22.720
<v Speaker 1>do you ever get starstruck and tell us about some

1:45:22.880 --> 1:45:24.720
<v Speaker 1>of the most amazing people you met.

1:45:25.000 --> 1:45:30.439
<v Speaker 2>Marlon Brando tell us that starstruck. We did the UNISEF show.

1:45:30.560 --> 1:45:34.320
<v Speaker 2>That's where we went Marichi United Nations Children's Emergency Fund

1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:37.759
<v Speaker 2>in December of sixty seven. On the show is Marlon

1:45:37.840 --> 1:45:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Brando and his Tahitian bride and dancers, and Elizabeth Taylor

1:45:43.920 --> 1:45:49.599
<v Speaker 2>and Richard Burton, the Russian Red Army Choir, the Turkish Ballet.

1:45:50.240 --> 1:45:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I think there were some great singers. There was an orchestra,

1:45:55.160 --> 1:46:00.120
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful orchestra in this beautiful venue in Paris. And

1:46:02.600 --> 1:46:05.679
<v Speaker 2>when the curtain opened for our part of the show,

1:46:05.720 --> 1:46:08.160
<v Speaker 2>there was Marichi in the front row with John Litt

1:46:08.200 --> 1:46:10.840
<v Speaker 2>on one side and George Harrison on the other. But

1:46:11.240 --> 1:46:16.280
<v Speaker 2>that night there was a party at at an embassy,

1:46:17.240 --> 1:46:20.680
<v Speaker 2>and Marlon Brando was there and He says, you want

1:46:20.720 --> 1:46:23.560
<v Speaker 2>to go get some breakfast. This is Marlon brown A

1:46:23.640 --> 1:46:26.000
<v Speaker 2>talking to Mike lover the Beach Boys, right, and I'm thinking,

1:46:26.320 --> 1:46:31.240
<v Speaker 2>here's on the waterfront, you know, and you know Viva's

1:46:31.280 --> 1:46:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Apoda and so many great movies. And he said, you

1:46:35.160 --> 1:46:37.439
<v Speaker 2>want to go get some breakfast. I said, well, yeah,

1:46:37.560 --> 1:46:39.639
<v Speaker 2>that'd be nice. But we didn't know anything about Paris.

1:46:39.720 --> 1:46:42.160
<v Speaker 2>But he did. He says, well, yeah, there's a private

1:46:42.240 --> 1:46:45.519
<v Speaker 2>party at Maxims to Pirie. I says. So he had

1:46:45.560 --> 1:46:47.959
<v Speaker 2>a Cadillac and vert will come out. This is December.

1:46:48.280 --> 1:46:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Cadillac Bertivo comes up, pulls up. We got in some cabs,

1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the Beach Boys crew and we went to Maxims to Peri.

1:46:57.439 --> 1:47:01.080
<v Speaker 2>So we there was a private party in this room

1:47:01.400 --> 1:47:04.600
<v Speaker 2>off to the right as you walk in. The restaurants

1:47:05.080 --> 1:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>and nightclubs still ahead. But there was this private party,

1:47:08.360 --> 1:47:12.559
<v Speaker 2>and you had Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton, you had

1:47:12.880 --> 1:47:17.360
<v Speaker 2>the director of the festival, and Victor Borgo, who is

1:47:17.439 --> 1:47:21.880
<v Speaker 2>a Danish pianist and humorist. He was there as well.

1:47:22.600 --> 1:47:26.840
<v Speaker 2>And Marlon Brado walks into the room and then this

1:47:27.120 --> 1:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>lady spread eagles herself for the entry of the room

1:47:33.000 --> 1:47:37.559
<v Speaker 2>and says, oh, I'm terribly sorry. It's a private, private party.

1:47:38.240 --> 1:47:43.599
<v Speaker 2>So Marlon Brando takes a look at her and says, oh,

1:47:43.680 --> 1:47:49.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm really sorry. He says, in Tahiti, if one person goes,

1:47:49.520 --> 1:47:52.720
<v Speaker 2>everybody goes. It's like family. He says, I think I'd

1:47:52.760 --> 1:47:55.920
<v Speaker 2>better leave, and he turns as if you know a

1:47:56.000 --> 1:47:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Lee Strasper type urn. He turns as if he's going

1:47:59.880 --> 1:48:03.720
<v Speaker 2>to leave, and she's going to lose Marlon Brando, Well,

1:48:03.760 --> 1:48:05.880
<v Speaker 2>that ain't going to happen. So she let us all

1:48:05.960 --> 1:48:09.160
<v Speaker 2>in and it made the party because you know, yeah

1:48:09.360 --> 1:48:12.200
<v Speaker 2>it was. It made the party, and so that that

1:48:12.400 --> 1:48:15.559
<v Speaker 2>was an amazing time. I thought that guy is about

1:48:15.600 --> 1:48:20.280
<v Speaker 2>as cool as you can possibly be, and he just

1:48:20.800 --> 1:48:24.559
<v Speaker 2>just with a little turn of the head, he got

1:48:24.640 --> 1:48:25.760
<v Speaker 2>this alda cave.

1:48:26.280 --> 1:48:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Well.

1:48:27.479 --> 1:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>The next day I was in the waiting room and uh,

1:48:33.400 --> 1:48:38.960
<v Speaker 2>waiting to border our flight to London, and who should

1:48:39.000 --> 1:48:42.080
<v Speaker 2>be sitting there with Marlon Browno. So we sat next

1:48:42.120 --> 1:48:44.280
<v Speaker 2>to each other on the way to London and I said,

1:48:44.880 --> 1:48:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and I asked him, well, how are you getting into town?

1:48:48.000 --> 1:48:50.240
<v Speaker 2>He says, I'm just going to take a cab. I said,

1:48:50.240 --> 1:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>why do you come with us? We had six Dameler

1:48:52.479 --> 1:48:56.080
<v Speaker 2>limousines lined up and we drove into town. He says,

1:48:56.120 --> 1:48:57.519
<v Speaker 2>you want to go to a party? Here we go

1:48:57.680 --> 1:49:01.800
<v Speaker 2>again and so yeah, I said fine, but let's drop

1:49:01.880 --> 1:49:05.240
<v Speaker 2>our luggage. And so we had like ten suits and

1:49:05.439 --> 1:49:09.439
<v Speaker 2>corner suites in the London Hilton and I came into

1:49:09.479 --> 1:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the swit sweet to drop my bags and stuff and

1:49:12.800 --> 1:49:14.840
<v Speaker 2>he looks one way and looks the other and he says,

1:49:14.960 --> 1:49:21.280
<v Speaker 2>manucats really know how to travel. So that was amazing.

1:49:21.320 --> 1:49:22.920
<v Speaker 2>But he was That was the last time I saw

1:49:23.000 --> 1:49:27.360
<v Speaker 2>him in person. That was nineteen sixty seven. But he

1:49:27.520 --> 1:49:31.439
<v Speaker 2>was the coolest. You can't top that story, I don't think,

1:49:31.520 --> 1:49:33.479
<v Speaker 2>so the said store struck there.

1:49:34.080 --> 1:49:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll leave it at that. The Beach Boys made

1:49:37.120 --> 1:49:41.400
<v Speaker 1>a deal selling rights Irving Azos Iconic.

1:49:41.680 --> 1:49:42.040
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

1:49:42.880 --> 1:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>How do you decide to do that? And how's that

1:49:45.000 --> 1:49:45.400
<v Speaker 1>worked out?

1:49:45.520 --> 1:49:48.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, Brother Records at the end of it, it owns

1:49:48.560 --> 1:49:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the Beach Boy's name and I tour. I'm given the

1:49:55.800 --> 1:50:00.920
<v Speaker 2>license a tour as the Beach Boys by Brother Records. Well,

1:50:01.840 --> 1:50:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Iconic Irving games off about fifty one, which is a

1:50:05.720 --> 1:50:10.439
<v Speaker 2>good thing because we were pretty dysfunctional, honestly. But he

1:50:11.880 --> 1:50:16.599
<v Speaker 2>he organized that a concert that came out a year

1:50:16.640 --> 1:50:23.599
<v Speaker 2>before last on Easter Sunday. It was there was twenty

1:50:23.720 --> 1:50:29.280
<v Speaker 2>acts doing Beach Boys songs, which was great. And then

1:50:29.320 --> 1:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>he also did the deal with Disney plus documentary that

1:50:34.120 --> 1:50:40.080
<v Speaker 2>was great. So he's they are working that, the group

1:50:40.360 --> 1:50:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Iconic is working on, you know, developing various things that

1:50:46.600 --> 1:50:49.679
<v Speaker 2>we never did and so and they've done a great

1:50:49.760 --> 1:50:50.519
<v Speaker 2>job so far.

1:50:51.720 --> 1:50:53.479
<v Speaker 1>So how did you learn how to play the therem in?

1:50:54.880 --> 1:50:57.960
<v Speaker 2>It was a little I didn't say a proper theorem

1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and I a mogue, synthesize or did something with the

1:51:01.120 --> 1:51:05.240
<v Speaker 2>little thing, and it was it was hard to do

1:51:05.520 --> 1:51:08.080
<v Speaker 2>to hit the right note and not screw up and

1:51:08.920 --> 1:51:11.640
<v Speaker 2>sing at the same time. But I did as well

1:51:11.680 --> 1:51:12.120
<v Speaker 2>as I could.

1:51:13.320 --> 1:51:16.960
<v Speaker 1>So you're talking about the set list. If I went

1:51:17.080 --> 1:51:20.679
<v Speaker 1>to every Beach Boys concert, it's not identical set list.

1:51:21.280 --> 1:51:24.479
<v Speaker 2>Pretty much a lot of the same components. But we

1:51:24.640 --> 1:51:29.800
<v Speaker 2>might if it's if it's a outdoor venue, we might

1:51:29.880 --> 1:51:34.320
<v Speaker 2>not do something subtle. But if it's indoor theater where

1:51:34.360 --> 1:51:38.040
<v Speaker 2>you can see and hear everything, we'll do something more spiritual,

1:51:38.160 --> 1:51:40.200
<v Speaker 2>more and more subtle.

1:51:41.000 --> 1:51:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then at this point, you performed some of

1:51:44.720 --> 1:51:46.879
<v Speaker 1>these songs thousands of times.

1:51:47.920 --> 1:51:52.599
<v Speaker 2>What are your favorite songs to perform? I love California Girls,

1:51:52.920 --> 1:51:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I love I Get Around, I love surfing Usa, I

1:51:58.160 --> 1:52:02.920
<v Speaker 2>love doing Cocomo. I love doing Good Vibrations Do It

1:52:02.960 --> 1:52:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Again went to number one in England, even though we

1:52:05.320 --> 1:52:13.360
<v Speaker 2>were transitting from Capitol Records to Reprise Records, and Capitol

1:52:13.400 --> 1:52:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Records didn't try very hard in the US. But it

1:52:15.960 --> 1:52:18.559
<v Speaker 2>went to number one in England, which is nice because

1:52:18.600 --> 1:52:21.439
<v Speaker 2>the previous number one was Good Vibrations a couple of

1:52:21.479 --> 1:52:24.840
<v Speaker 2>years before that, so that's always a nice one. Our

1:52:24.920 --> 1:52:28.800
<v Speaker 2>serving songs are car songs. I get Around, fun, fun,

1:52:29.560 --> 1:52:33.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, Little Deuce, Scoop four on nine, shut Down.

1:52:33.400 --> 1:52:36.400
<v Speaker 2>They're all good, They're all fun, and so I enjoy

1:52:36.920 --> 1:52:37.720
<v Speaker 2>so many of them.

1:52:45.720 --> 1:52:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I have been on stage where I've literally watched an

1:52:49.479 --> 1:52:54.559
<v Speaker 1>act win over a disinterested audience. You hit the stage,

1:52:54.640 --> 1:52:58.320
<v Speaker 1>people know who you are, know what the songs are.

1:52:59.000 --> 1:53:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Do you just have to stand up to the mic

1:53:01.080 --> 1:53:03.800
<v Speaker 1>and sing? Or are you very attentive to what the

1:53:03.920 --> 1:53:05.840
<v Speaker 1>reaction is and how you're performing me?

1:53:06.040 --> 1:53:11.160
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't assume that anybody knows anything about our music,

1:53:11.280 --> 1:53:15.080
<v Speaker 2>or the Beach, Pizonous or anything. Our job is to

1:53:16.240 --> 1:53:20.320
<v Speaker 2>create fans. I mean, if they're already fans, that's great,

1:53:20.640 --> 1:53:22.519
<v Speaker 2>and we're not going to disappoint them. We're going to

1:53:22.600 --> 1:53:25.479
<v Speaker 2>recreate those songs as close as humanly possible to what

1:53:25.560 --> 1:53:28.080
<v Speaker 2>you heard on the records or on the radio or

1:53:28.200 --> 1:53:34.519
<v Speaker 2>TV or ads or or soundtracks of movies. So, you know,

1:53:34.840 --> 1:53:36.720
<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of young people who have seen us

1:53:36.800 --> 1:53:41.200
<v Speaker 2>on full House reruns doing you know, Kocomo and I

1:53:41.320 --> 1:53:45.479
<v Speaker 2>mean millions and so, but they don't know all the

1:53:45.600 --> 1:53:48.559
<v Speaker 2>stuff that we just went over in the last hour

1:53:48.600 --> 1:53:52.639
<v Speaker 2>and a half or so. They just and I don't think,

1:53:53.000 --> 1:53:55.879
<v Speaker 2>I don't assume they would. I don't know old girlfriend

1:53:55.960 --> 1:53:59.479
<v Speaker 2>who thought that Ringo might be black, you know, I

1:53:59.560 --> 1:54:03.040
<v Speaker 2>mean she did know about the music business, and she didn't.

1:54:03.479 --> 1:54:06.160
<v Speaker 2>It was it was past the Beatles, and you know,

1:54:06.200 --> 1:54:10.719
<v Speaker 2>it was you know, So that taught me a lesson.

1:54:10.760 --> 1:54:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I said, people assume because they're they're successful and they

1:54:16.240 --> 1:54:20.320
<v Speaker 2>had you know, hit records and stuff, that everybody knows them.

1:54:20.960 --> 1:54:25.280
<v Speaker 2>That's not true. I don't think. And and especially they

1:54:25.320 --> 1:54:28.559
<v Speaker 2>don't know the individuals. I mean, we have had fan

1:54:28.680 --> 1:54:32.240
<v Speaker 2>letters from Russia, fan letters from China. I met a

1:54:33.240 --> 1:54:40.400
<v Speaker 2>real estate agent in New Jersey who said he's from

1:54:40.480 --> 1:54:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Iran and they played our records in Iran in the

1:54:44.360 --> 1:54:48.680
<v Speaker 2>summer where they went for summer vacation. I was, I'm

1:54:48.760 --> 1:54:53.880
<v Speaker 2>in the eighties. I met the Saudi Ambassador, Prince Bandhar

1:54:54.520 --> 1:55:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Saudi Radi, Ambassador, Saudi Arabian Ambassador of the US in Washington, DC,

1:55:01.160 --> 1:55:03.240
<v Speaker 2>and he told me, Mike, I'm a fan. I played

1:55:03.280 --> 1:55:06.920
<v Speaker 2>your cassette in my Austin Hilly while going to school

1:55:06.960 --> 1:55:11.880
<v Speaker 2>in England. That's the ambassador from Saudi Arabia.

1:55:12.480 --> 1:55:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

1:55:12.960 --> 1:55:16.800
<v Speaker 2>And then when you added that Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Hall

1:55:16.880 --> 1:55:23.240
<v Speaker 2>and Finland. We're going to Poland this summer. South Africa's

1:55:23.760 --> 1:55:27.440
<v Speaker 2>South America, and like I said, China and Russia and

1:55:27.480 --> 1:55:32.600
<v Speaker 2>all that, Japan. We've had records all over the world

1:55:32.680 --> 1:55:37.240
<v Speaker 2>and people really like them still, but I don't ever

1:55:37.400 --> 1:55:43.240
<v Speaker 2>assume that people really know us and and and our

1:55:43.360 --> 1:55:49.839
<v Speaker 2>job as performers is to recreate those songs. It's closest

1:55:49.920 --> 1:55:56.000
<v Speaker 2>humanly possible to the records, and we're not everybody's cup

1:55:56.040 --> 1:55:58.360
<v Speaker 2>of tea, but we're a lot of people's cup of tea,

1:55:59.320 --> 1:55:59.880
<v Speaker 2>so a lot.

1:55:59.800 --> 1:56:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Of people to reproduce. They have a lot of backing

1:56:02.840 --> 1:56:06.680
<v Speaker 1>tracks on hard drive, et cetera. What's your philosophy on that.

1:56:07.040 --> 1:56:11.400
<v Speaker 2>We do all of our music live. I'm in the vocals.

1:56:11.920 --> 1:56:14.440
<v Speaker 2>We might have some click tracks to keep everybody in

1:56:14.560 --> 1:56:18.400
<v Speaker 2>sync a cup on a few songs, but yeah, we

1:56:18.520 --> 1:56:21.280
<v Speaker 2>don't have a lot of supplementation like that or sampling

1:56:21.360 --> 1:56:23.480
<v Speaker 2>or aning of that stuff. We don't need it. We

1:56:23.600 --> 1:56:29.480
<v Speaker 2>have enough vocalists to recreate the vocal blend and harmonies

1:56:29.520 --> 1:56:30.880
<v Speaker 2>in the sound of the Beach Boys.

1:56:31.720 --> 1:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>So how many gigs a year do you do?

1:56:33.520 --> 1:56:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Now? Well, I've done as many as one hundred and fifty,

1:56:37.000 --> 1:56:40.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe one hundred and twenty this year. Perhaps, I don't know.

1:56:42.240 --> 1:56:45.360
<v Speaker 2>I just do them. That's a lot of work, it is.

1:56:46.200 --> 1:56:51.440
<v Speaker 2>The travel can be tiring. We just did a tour

1:56:51.520 --> 1:56:55.840
<v Speaker 2>of Canada, went from British Columbia to the Toronto area

1:56:56.480 --> 1:57:00.480
<v Speaker 2>and it was not good. I was cold, it was

1:57:00.760 --> 1:57:05.520
<v Speaker 2>we were taking overnight drives to escape snow that was coming.

1:57:06.280 --> 1:57:07.919
<v Speaker 2>So we're not going to do that anymore.

1:57:08.400 --> 1:57:13.840
<v Speaker 1>But well, some acts, it all depends on economics. They'll

1:57:14.640 --> 1:57:18.040
<v Speaker 1>locate in one city, they'll take a jet, private jet

1:57:18.520 --> 1:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>to different locations. Are you always flying commercial? You go

1:57:21.920 --> 1:57:24.879
<v Speaker 1>and buy bus? You're taking private jets, mainly bus.

1:57:24.880 --> 1:57:27.520
<v Speaker 2>If we're doing a lot of sequential dates, so we

1:57:27.640 --> 1:57:30.760
<v Speaker 2>try to make it so that it's reachable from one

1:57:30.920 --> 1:57:33.320
<v Speaker 2>date to the other. Sometimes we'll have to take an

1:57:33.320 --> 1:57:35.760
<v Speaker 2>all night drive to get to the next place. That's

1:57:35.800 --> 1:57:37.840
<v Speaker 2>okay because when we get in the morning, we get

1:57:37.880 --> 1:57:41.360
<v Speaker 2>to rest a few hours. Rest is a huge deal.

1:57:41.520 --> 1:57:44.800
<v Speaker 2>So my meditation and my rest. If I get that,

1:57:45.600 --> 1:57:48.959
<v Speaker 2>I'm good to go, and I can do innumerable concerts.

1:57:49.680 --> 1:57:53.480
<v Speaker 2>But honestly, I'm eighty four years old, and so as

1:57:53.560 --> 1:57:56.480
<v Speaker 2>I look down the road, I learned my lesson going

1:57:56.560 --> 1:58:00.240
<v Speaker 2>to Canada at the wrong time year. So you you

1:58:00.400 --> 1:58:03.480
<v Speaker 2>learn new things every day and you learn your limitations,

1:58:03.600 --> 1:58:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and so I'll probably do less concerts, but specific to

1:58:09.840 --> 1:58:14.200
<v Speaker 2>times a year. For instance, we're already getting offers for

1:58:15.120 --> 1:58:18.520
<v Speaker 2>next February and March in Florida, and that's when you

1:58:18.600 --> 1:58:21.200
<v Speaker 2>should go to Florida, right because all the people from

1:58:21.240 --> 1:58:25.480
<v Speaker 2>all the northern areas come down there, the snowbirds, and

1:58:25.600 --> 1:58:28.360
<v Speaker 2>that's great. So it's a great time to go.

1:58:30.200 --> 1:58:33.160
<v Speaker 1>At this late date, you've been on the road so much.

1:58:34.240 --> 1:58:38.400
<v Speaker 1>You're only on stage for an hour hour fifteen actually two.

1:58:39.080 --> 1:58:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Really we do an hour with a twenty minute in

1:58:42.080 --> 1:58:45.600
<v Speaker 2>minute and intermission followed by another hour. Unless it's a casino,

1:58:45.800 --> 1:58:50.480
<v Speaker 2>they don't want you to do an hour and intermission

1:58:51.040 --> 1:58:54.440
<v Speaker 2>and another hour, which is two hours of music. They

1:58:54.480 --> 1:58:56.280
<v Speaker 2>want you to do maybe an hour and a half

1:58:56.400 --> 1:58:59.720
<v Speaker 2>at the most. And so you just do mainly your

1:58:59.800 --> 1:59:03.440
<v Speaker 2>hits and and they're happy, and people to come to

1:59:03.480 --> 1:59:04.600
<v Speaker 2>see you, they're they're happy.

1:59:05.040 --> 1:59:07.480
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, I've seen your two hours show. The last

1:59:07.520 --> 1:59:10.720
<v Speaker 1>time I saw you live was its stage coach last year. Yes,

1:59:10.800 --> 1:59:15.879
<v Speaker 1>so in a situation like that, that was one hour, right, yeah, okay,

1:59:16.040 --> 1:59:21.280
<v Speaker 1>eighty thousand people there. It was fantastic, unbelievable. So how

1:59:21.360 --> 1:59:26.600
<v Speaker 1>do you entertain yourself twenty three hours a day, twenty

1:59:26.680 --> 1:59:28.720
<v Speaker 1>two hours a day, you're on stage for two hours.

1:59:28.760 --> 1:59:31.600
<v Speaker 2>That's the highlight? Well, I said, like I said, I risked,

1:59:32.000 --> 1:59:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I meditate, I'll do a little exercise, everything moderation, especially

1:59:36.680 --> 1:59:41.080
<v Speaker 2>exercise anyway. So yeah, it's just new normal stuff. You know,

1:59:41.320 --> 1:59:45.800
<v Speaker 2>family things and you know, calling your kids or talking

1:59:45.840 --> 1:59:49.280
<v Speaker 2>to your wife five times a day. So it's it's

1:59:49.360 --> 1:59:57.360
<v Speaker 2>all good. It's just normalcy. But our our particular way

1:59:57.400 --> 2:00:01.960
<v Speaker 2>of life is a little abnormal, honestly, but it's great.

2:00:02.080 --> 2:00:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Because people feel good when they come to a Beach

2:00:06.160 --> 2:00:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Boys show around the world, by the way, which is

2:00:09.760 --> 2:00:13.000
<v Speaker 2>we're going to do five shows in Spain, We're going

2:00:13.080 --> 2:00:16.440
<v Speaker 2>to we've never been to horse of Or we're going

2:00:16.560 --> 2:00:21.320
<v Speaker 2>this year, and then Switzerland and Germany. A nice festival

2:00:21.360 --> 2:00:24.480
<v Speaker 2>in Germany, and then we're ten thousand people in England

2:00:24.800 --> 2:00:27.520
<v Speaker 2>coming to see us at Englefield, which is you know,

2:00:27.800 --> 2:00:31.960
<v Speaker 2>west of no east of London anyway, so we're having

2:00:32.000 --> 2:00:32.600
<v Speaker 2>a great time.

2:00:32.920 --> 2:00:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, where's the strangest place you've played? I

2:00:35.400 --> 2:00:38.040
<v Speaker 1>mean in terms of my own travel. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>great to go to London. Everybody speaks English places. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been to Bogata in Columbia and everybody I was with

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<v Speaker 1>had had a family member killed. It's like I felt

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<v Speaker 1>very alive. Yeah, So where are some of the couple

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<v Speaker 1>of the exotic places you've been to that made an

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<v Speaker 1>impression upon you?

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa? You know, at the time we went, we'd

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<v Speaker 2>go to the beach and says blacks only or whites only.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the clubs and stuff, it was mixed, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>having a good time to the music. We played in

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<v Speaker 2>a place African homelands, it was a big golf course thing.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, we met uh Sean Connery there at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was an African homeless place. So it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>apartheid was There's plenty of African leaders there in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the concert. But we did our thing

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<v Speaker 2>and it was it's it was an interesting time to go.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was before apartheid went away, but they they it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was interesting place to see and we're, of

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<v Speaker 2>course we're not pro apartheid or anything, but in this

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<v Speaker 2>particular place it was mixed. So we felt justified and going.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you sang about cars. You talked about having all

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<v Speaker 1>those cars. What's the best car you ever owned?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's a rough one. Corvettes are really nice. X

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<v Speaker 2>K's are pretty groovy. But I had a nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>nine Rolls Royce Limo that was pretty amazing with the

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<v Speaker 2>big huge headlines and stuff. That's beautiful. But I've had

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<v Speaker 2>some really great So I had a sixty two Bentley

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<v Speaker 2>which I had painted a certain way and it was gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually went to jail one time because I

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<v Speaker 2>was I just had my motor redone and I was

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<v Speaker 2>going from from north of Malibu to Oxnard, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a straightaway for about five miles and I was

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<v Speaker 2>going about one hundred and forty five miles an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>and the California Hawaii Highway Patrol lights went on because

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<v Speaker 2>I had to slow down. There was a town coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>and he pulled me over, handcuffed me, put me in

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<v Speaker 2>his car, and he had he had a shotgun and

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<v Speaker 2>he was using that as an aerial for his boombox.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the radio comes rock and roll music and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know you hear that song? He says yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he says. I said, well, you're just the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the lead singer. He said, well, sorry, I don't know you, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I just wanted to see how fast that

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<v Speaker 2>thing would go in I went pretty damn fast, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a couple of times over the speed limits,

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<v Speaker 2>and that costs me a small fortune to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of going to driving school.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of car was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Sixty two Bentley?

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the Bentley. He had one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty five at Bentley.

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<v Speaker 2>They're made for racing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're going to die on stage? You're ever going

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<v Speaker 1>to retire?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'll retire, I'll retire. But see my philosophy. If

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<v Speaker 2>you can do it, great, If you can't do it, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So the minute I can't sing California Girls right, or

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<v Speaker 2>I get around or fun, fun, fun or something, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out of here, which is because I've certainly done enough

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<v Speaker 2>concerts over the years, and it's been a blessing, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>taking a family hobby which is all about the love

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<v Speaker 2>of music and create and morphed into a long lasting

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<v Speaker 2>profession which has been a blessing. And so many people

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<v Speaker 2>around the world and so many wonderful crowds, just as

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<v Speaker 2>recently as at the Beach Life Festival was beautiful, and

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<v Speaker 2>all these festivals. We're going to do some more this summer,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean there'll be thousands of people singing along

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<v Speaker 2>to our song. That's pretty pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you've been open and honest, you told all these stories.

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<v Speaker 1>As say, I'm a gigantic fan. I'll continue to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the record. So great to have you here on

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<v Speaker 1>the show talking to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, Thank you, Bob. It's an honor to be on

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<v Speaker 2>your show.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, I can tell you Beach Boys stories and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the Beach Boys from day one. You know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no you're not that old, not quite that old now.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know the song that I listened to, which

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<v Speaker 1>is not is a Carl song, was off the Summer

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<v Speaker 1>Day Summer Nights. Girl don't tell me? Oh yeah, little girl,

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<v Speaker 1>it's me. Don't right, going to last.

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<v Speaker 2>Summers have to be your grant.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, wow, the sweet song really all that?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one we don't do on the Endless Summer Elm.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't do that, I mean, right, you know? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So if I sat here and called out any song,

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<v Speaker 1>could you sing it?

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<v Speaker 2>Which one?

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<v Speaker 1>No, any song from the catalog, any thoughts on the

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<v Speaker 1>Beach Boys, free.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough, you sing the lead or not? If it's a

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<v Speaker 2>Carl song, if it's a dentist song, if it's l.

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<v Speaker 2>Jardine singing or something. May I can probably do pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good on some of them. But yeah, that's a hypothetical question,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna have to do another program.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So any song that you don't regularly sing that

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<v Speaker 1>you wish was in the set?

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<v Speaker 2>All this is that And all I want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>All I want to do is only bring good to you,

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<v Speaker 2>to give you all the love I can help you

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<v Speaker 2>in whatever you do. Sure as the sun will come

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<v Speaker 2>around and start off another day. You can be sure

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<v Speaker 2>that in my heart and so I love you in

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<v Speaker 2>every way. Yeah, just one final thing. You're selling a

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<v Speaker 2>message of positivity. You come across as positive. You do

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<v Speaker 2>say earlier you're edgy guy. What pisces you off? Apathy?

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<v Speaker 2>People who squander their wealth. There are over one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million displaced people right now. A guy named Bill Aremony

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<v Speaker 2>started a company developed the company goals. Yeah, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that everybody? Everybody contributes to shoot? Anyway? The point

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<v Speaker 2>being he said, think to scale. So who's thinking to scale?

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<v Speaker 2>All these genius billionaires who are one wants to go

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<v Speaker 2>to Mars, wants we want to go somewhere else and

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<v Speaker 2>and and you know includes me, I'm I'm apathetic like

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<v Speaker 2>the next person. I'm doing well, I'm having a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>My family's doing well. But we've got to get I

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<v Speaker 2>think to scale a little bit better on how to

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<v Speaker 2>get humanity to be kind to each other and to more.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote a song called Make Love Not War goes

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<v Speaker 2>Make Love not War? What in the world is all

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<v Speaker 2>the fighting for? Give piece of chance? The earth could

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<v Speaker 2>use an evolutionary advance back in the sixties. It was

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<v Speaker 2>during Vietnam. I remember brother Marvin saying, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>War is not the answer. I distinguished, distinct distinctly heard

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<v Speaker 2>him say. Yet the same old, same olds happen in

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<v Speaker 2>the day. God to say. I'm grateful to the USA

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<v Speaker 2>and all the folks protecting us every week, every day.

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<v Speaker 2>But love's the only way to make hate go away.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why so many people are saying, make love

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<v Speaker 2>not war. And it goes gov this everywhere. Pay no

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<v Speaker 2>heed to the lack of opportunities for people in need.

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<v Speaker 2>Musslm and his new Christian and Jude. Too many don't

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate the other's point of view. You repot, you saw

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<v Speaker 2>that's the truth. Indeed, to raise a new crop, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to need a new seed. Swords into plowshares. Instead

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<v Speaker 2>of a fight, spread a little love and let has

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<v Speaker 2>shed a lot of light. Make love not more. What

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<v Speaker 2>in the world is allifining for give piece of chance

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<v Speaker 2>here is could use the evolutionary events. So I really

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<v Speaker 2>believe that. And if we can contribute to data coming

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<v Speaker 2>to pass where more people are taken care of and

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<v Speaker 2>not just you know, forgotten about, that'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that sums it up. On that note, we've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking to Mike Love, new member of the Songwriters

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame. Great thrill for me, Mike, thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for doing this. Think about it until next time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bob left sus

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