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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Bob Leftsett's podcast. My guest

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Speaker 1: today is the one and only Mike Love, of a

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Speaker 1: gigantic Beach Boys fan. It's a thrill to have him here.

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Speaker 1: He has just been nominated and will be inducted to

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Speaker 1: the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Mike, before we get into

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Speaker 1: the music, your brother Stan recently passed. What can you

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Speaker 1: tell us about Stan.

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Speaker 2: Well? I can tell you there was a fantastic athlete.

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Speaker 2: You know, our our family was not only musical, but

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Speaker 2: athletic as well. In fact, my father, Milton Love, was

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Speaker 2: the All City inn at Washington High School in Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles at seventeen years old. And he went to UCLA

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Speaker 2: and he went out for football there and he got

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Speaker 2: knocked out. So he said, well he's going to throw

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Speaker 2: in the towel and do something different. But his he

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Speaker 2: was the smart one that failed me. Is UCLA report

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Speaker 2: card I guess he could call it was scary German trigonometry, physics,

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Speaker 2: stuff like that, you know, Oh my gosh. And he

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Speaker 2: was a boxer too. My dad was about six three

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Speaker 2: and a little over a couple hundred pounds, and he

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Speaker 2: did not want to make him angry. My mom, however,

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Speaker 2: was from the Wilson side, and they had no money.

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Speaker 2: But what they did have his voices, and they loved

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Speaker 2: singing together. My uncle's sang harmonies, you know, four parts

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Speaker 2: they sang together. And my mom sang on the radio,

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Speaker 2: which is a big deal in the thirties and in

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Speaker 2: early forties. And and yeah, she sang light opera and

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Speaker 2: woke us up to go to school. I went to

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Speaker 2: Dorsey High School, and she would wake us up to

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Speaker 2: her opera music, which was brutal. But I grew up

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Speaker 2: in a family home with a grand piano, some Dneway

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Speaker 2: baby ground, a ham in Oregon, and a lion and

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Speaker 2: Hailey harp. I have two sisters that play the harp.

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Speaker 2: One Maureen played on a couple of her earlier songs.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you know catch a wave exactly, which Jenn,

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Speaker 1: indeed we did, is a sidewalk surface. But at any event,

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Speaker 1: let's go about how many generations was your family in California.

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Speaker 2: My mom came out five years old on a train

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Speaker 2: from Kansas during the dust bol days, which preceded the

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Speaker 2: the people that came out to California and and camped

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Speaker 2: on the beach. They call him Okie's, So all there

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Speaker 2: was from Kansas there were Oakie's. And ironically they camped

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Speaker 2: on the beach for a little while and before they

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Speaker 2: found a home. And ironically, a generation later we sang

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Speaker 2: about that very same environment and it caught on all

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Speaker 1: Okay, so your father's side of the family, how did

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Speaker 1: he get to California.

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Speaker 2: My grandfather came from northern rural Louisiana plane dealing Louisiana

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Speaker 2: in nineteen oh nine and started love sheet metal. He

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Speaker 2: did kitchen equipment primarily. They did the galleys for worships

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Speaker 2: during World War Two, and they did the UCLA Medical

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Speaker 2: Big Bob's Big Boy drive ins and things like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: different things. So I was a an apprentice, a local

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Speaker 2: eight that, but you know, it wasn't that much fun.

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Speaker 2: And actually, you know, my cousin Brian and I got

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Speaker 2: of nineteen sixty one, and I did pretty well, and

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Speaker 2: I got the attention of Capitol Records, and we did

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Speaker 2: our song Surfing Safari and Surfer Girl and four O

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Speaker 2: nine and that was on our first album. The cover

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Speaker 2: being filmed or photographed at Paradise Co in Malaidu, Malibu,

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Speaker 2: pretty amazing. Brian and I and Bruce and David Marx

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Speaker 2: and Alan Jardine, we all got together and we actually

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Speaker 2: physical issues. I mean, it's hard for him to get

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Speaker 2: it could be related to pnemonia and stuff, which is

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Speaker 2: very sad. But he has trouble getting around, but his

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Speaker 2: long term memory is amazing. He was remembering stuff in

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Speaker 2: so it was pretty fascinating to get together and reminisce

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Speaker 1: Okay, so how did your parents meet?

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Speaker 2: My parents meet and met in high school in Washington

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Speaker 2: High School and part of the Southern League of the

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Speaker 2: They went to Washington High School. That's where how they met.

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Speaker 2: My mom was beautiful, she looked like a thirties forties

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Speaker 2: And my mom was athletic. She she could play golf,

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Speaker 2: But her real love is music. And she created an

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Speaker 2: be able to sing together. Because every Christmas, every Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: every Fourth of July, every New Year's, every Birthday, the

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Speaker 2: family would get together. And my mom was one of

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Speaker 2: eight kids that lived in maturity and so there's there

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Speaker 2: were four aunts and I mean my mom and three

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Speaker 2: father of Brian Dennis and Carl Wilson. So we always

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Speaker 2: got together for music. There's never been a time in

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Speaker 2: was in utero, you know, I mean, she was playing

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Speaker 2: an opera when when she was carrying me. So where

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Speaker 2: did you grow up in La the Baldwin Hills. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So what.

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Speaker 1: Were they like then, because it's different today. Who lives there,

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Speaker 2: Well, there are bars in the window of our house

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Speaker 2: around the neighborhood. My dad would bring a truck home

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Speaker 2: Christmas Carol. That's how it was in those days. And

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Speaker 2: we had great friends from all kinds of ethnic and

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Speaker 2: religious groups. And Dorsey High School was fascinating. There were

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Speaker 2: there were the Japanese kids who had lived in they

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Speaker 2: don't call them concentration camps in the United States. Interment. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they took their land and their everything away, and these

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Speaker 2: high school with, they taught me Japanese. Really, oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: iqin no siameans go ahead, Kuichi means well. Kuichi was

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Speaker 2: So you know, we had blacks, and we had Jewish kids,

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Speaker 2: which is real education. And the fact the music that

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Speaker 2: It informed me in a lot of ways with some

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Speaker 2: of the the things I would put him in in

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Speaker 2: the lyrics that I came up with implement Brian's musical efforts, like,

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Speaker 2: for instance, well since you put me down, I've been

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Speaker 2: out doing in my head doing in I'll do. You know.

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Speaker 1: I always wondered where that came from.

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Speaker 2: That it came from high school, and you know, it

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Speaker 2: was really fascinating. I really loved growing up in la

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Speaker 2: with all the different I would sit next to Fred Belitzer,

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Speaker 2: me to all the if it was Russia, Shana, it

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Speaker 2: was Joan Kapoor, whatever it was, he would he would

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Speaker 2: let me know that these days were he was going

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Speaker 2: And when the teacher would say, where were you, mister Love,

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Speaker 2: I said, teach, it was the holidays. And I'm a

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Speaker 2: spiritual guy. So I was always, always, always had an attitude,

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Speaker 1: So how many kids were in the family.

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Speaker 2: Well, my mom had six kids. I'm the oldest.

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Speaker 1: She had six kids. They all lived to maturity. Correct,

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Speaker 1: what are the other five up to if they're still

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Speaker 1: with us? Well, my brother Stan just passed away. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that was my sister Stephanie sadly passed away maybe

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago from cancer. My mom died of cancer

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Speaker 1: at fifty nine years old.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, they have the women on that side of

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Speaker 1: And the rest of the kids of the family would happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have a brother who lives in Hawaii, and

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it sounds like your father was doing pretty

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Speaker 1: well in the sheet metal a music.

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Speaker 2: My grandfather and father Love she Mill did very well.

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Speaker 2: In fact, my grandfather was he was amazing. He was,

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Speaker 2: he he he liked Cadillacs. So we'd buy El Dorado

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Speaker 2: mean he'd be bidding on a job and he said, well,

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Speaker 2: And my dad, Miller in love he was a gearhead.

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Speaker 2: that inspired some of the lyrics for the car songs

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Speaker 2: and actually the energy of the car songs that we

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Speaker 2: did because we realize that not everyone had an ocean,

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Speaker 2: but everyone loved the cars coming out of Detroit, and

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Speaker 2: so we sang yeah songs and we related to all

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Speaker 2: that with my cousin Dennis had a four on nine.

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Speaker 1: Really okay, but ultimately you have megasuccess. You're a household name.

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Speaker 1: In many cases, that person then buys their parents a house,

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Speaker 1: or they have kids who live on the payroll. But

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Speaker 1: your family was already doing pretty well well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then love Sheet Mill had a bankruptcy. They

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Speaker 2: bid on a thing that was impossible to pay, so

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Speaker 2: it was a Chapter seven bankruptcy, which means it's over.

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Speaker 2: So I ended up buying a house for my from

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Speaker 2: my grandparents and helped out with my parents as well,

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Speaker 2: which is good.

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Speaker 1: Stan ultimately worked with Brian. But your other siblings did

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Speaker 1: they do okay financially?

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Speaker 2: My brother Steve was a business manager for a couple

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Speaker 2: of years back in the sixties early seventies, and and yeah,

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Speaker 2: so he did it okay, But he's been living in

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're the oldest kid, yes, you see, you

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Speaker 1: have a little bit of an attitude. Well, you know

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Speaker 2: Well I don't know about that because I didn't like

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Speaker 2: they wear. And the Southern girls and the way they talk.

433
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: They knocked me out when I'm down there. The Midwest

434
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: farmers daughters, they really make you feel all right in

435
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: the Northern girls of where they kiss, they keep their

436
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: boy kiss, keep their boyfriend's warm at night. That caught

437
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: on all over the place, and yeah, it's still one

438
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: of my favorite songs for saying, oh.

439
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: Listen, incredible. So but let's go back. Nick Vinet signed you.

440
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Now you have to do an album on that album

441
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: that surf in Safari four oh nine, ten Little Indians.

442
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: You gotta have ten songs. Where do you get the

443
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: ten songs?

444
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: Well, we made them up.

445
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, did you get were you so young the

446
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: you say, oh we can do this in a second.

447
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

448
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Were you intimidated like we.

449
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: Were intimidated at all? No, we but you know, the

450
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: record company Capitol Records division of E. M I Worldwide,

451
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: which is the same record company the Beatles were on.

452
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: We they were hounding us for an album every few months.

453
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: In fact, Brian was working on the Pet Sounds album

454
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: and doing these amazing tracks and and he needed more time,

455
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: and they were hounding us for records. So we said,

456
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: I said, Brian, why don't we do a song called

457
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: a party album which consists of a bunch of songs

458
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: we just liked singing, you know, And so we did

459
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: bar barn Off that album, which right, yeah, and that

460
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: was recorded in sixty five, late sixty five, but Barbara

461
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: became a huge hit in early sixty six. Then then

462
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: that gave us the time to do the Pet Sounds

463
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: album properly, which came out in mid sixty six, and

464
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: then of course Good Vibrations came out in the fall

465
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: of sixty six. That was an enormous year for the

466
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Beach Boys.

467
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so the second album, Surfing USA. Can you tell

468
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: us about shut down or any other songs you wrote

469
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: for that album.

470
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: Brian became friends with a guy named Roger Christian who

471
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: was a disc jockey in LA and he was gearhead.

472
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: He came up with some great lyrics. You know. I

473
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: was Shutdown, little Loose, coup Car, crazy Cutie, some really

474
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: fun songs. I sang the lead on a lot of those,

475
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: and of course Brian did his high parts and the

476
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: other guys filled in with the harmonies and so yeah,

477
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: it was just a lot of energy going on and

478
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, desire for the record company

479
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: to have another album, always having another album. So we

480
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: we did a whole bunch of albums, and I think

481
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: there have been there are gems on each one of

482
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: those albums. You know, we did so many of them

483
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: back in the day in.

484
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: Such a well, I just know on the second album

485
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: there's Farmer's Daughter and there's the Lonely Sea. Yeah really

486
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: and okay, so then you wrote the lyrics for Fun, Fun, Fun.

487
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: Just well, we were really popular in Salt Lake City.

488
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but we were. And we would

489
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: there was a place called the Lagoon, which is a

490
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: theme park in Salt Lake City, so we would go

491
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: up in the open the theme park in the beginning

492
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 2: of the summer, come in the middle of the summer,

493
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: and close the theme park in the early fall. And

494
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: one of those times we'd gone up there, we were

495
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: we took a taxi from the Holiday Inn in Salt

496
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: Lake City to the airport to fly back to la

497
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: and I said, Brian, we got to do a song

498
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: about a girl who borrows her dad's car and instead

499
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: of going to library, she goes cruising with it, and

500
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: so that became the intro the you know, Carl came

501
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: up with the intro of the guitar intro of fun, fun, Fun,

502
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: and we we you know, we had a great time

503
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: with that. In fact, we closed our show at the

504
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: Beach Life Festival with fun, Fun, Fun, and people love it.

505
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if the kids these days even though

506
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: what a Ta Bird is right, but it's such a

507
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: fun song. And when Brian hit that high part at

508
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: the end, oh my god. It has to be responsible

509
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: for a lot of tickets, because if you're cruising your car,

510
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: it's just just like like amazing, uplifting song, you know,

511
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: and it's all positive.

512
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: It's all My father had a t bird and my

513
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: sister was going to the library, so it became a

514
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: family joke exactly. Okay. So then was your time at

515
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: the lagoon the inspiration for Salt Lake City on summer

516
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: days and summer nights?

517
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: Exactly? It sure was, and we can still do it

518
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: whenever we go to Utah, we'll do Salt Lake City

519
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: and people love it.

520
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: Okay. So then ultimately you have the all Summer Long

521
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: album and you're in the movie Girls on the Beach.

522
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: Do you remember making that movie?

523
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

524
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: So what was that experience like it was?

525
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: I mean, the beach boys in a movie doing a song.

526
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: It's not exactly We're not like you know, Brad Pitt

527
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: or anybody you know. We're not Tom Cruise. We're just

528
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys you know, from the neighborhood singing

529
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: our songs and we're happy to be doing them on

530
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: in the soundtrack of an album. But our music has

531
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: been featured in so many soundtracks over the years. I mean,

532
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: Shampoo with Warren Beatty.

533
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: That brought back, wouldn't it be nice? Unbelievable it did.

534
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: But also fifty First Dates was huge, I mean, you know,

535
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: and and California Girls with the rush Hour films that

536
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker. They use California Giles I

537
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: think three times and yeah. So it's been fascinating to

538
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: see how many movies, including Cocktail of course with Kokomo,

539
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: have featured our songs. We've been very, very very blessed

540
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: to that producers like to use our songs in the movies.

541
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: In fact, Cocktail, the movie, the director says, can you

542
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: do a song? Tom Cruise a bar turn. He's going

543
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: from New York to Jamaica, And we did a song

544
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: by assignment. We didn't come up with that song. They said,

545
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: can you come up with the song? Well, Terry Milcher

546
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: was the producer of the song. He was friends with

547
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: John Phillips of the Mamas and Papas, and John Phillips

548
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: had this really nice melody off the Florida Keys. There's

549
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: a place called Cocomo. That's where we used to go

550
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: to get away from Rome. I said, hold on, that's

551
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: where we used to go, implies the guy thinking about

552
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: as misspent youth or something. I said, I just changed

553
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: one thing in the verse. That's where you want to

554
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: go to get away from It's a tense change and

555
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: it made it inclusive. And then I came up with

556
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: the chorus Aruba, Jamaica. Who I want to take it

557
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: to Bermuda? Come on pretty much? So come on pretty,

558
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: wamos to me. It could be a kid thinking his

559
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: mom is pretty. It could be an older couple saying

560
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: let's get in the RV and going on to Florida.

561
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: You know.

562
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: So it just fit every generation, and of course it was.

563
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: It became the biggest selling single of our career, even

564
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: bigger than Good Vibrations, which is saying something. And then

565
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: then we got on Full House. John Stamos loved the

566
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: Beach Boys and he loves to play drums with us.

567
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: He was playing with us at the at the Beach

568
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: Life Festival just recently, so he he wanted us on

569
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: Full House. And we did that song on Full House,

570
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 2: and we've been seen on TV reruns a Full House

571
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: by millions of people over the last thirty some odd years.

572
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: Let's go back though sixty years. Tell us about I

573
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: Get Around.

574
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: Brian came up with a song I get Around. He said,

575
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: I get around from town to town. I'm a real

576
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: cool head. I'm making real good bread. I was thinking

577
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: that's a little braggadocius, just a tad and but He

578
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: had an intro that was kind of meandering, a lot

579
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: of little honeys who were hanging around and all this

580
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. I said, no, no, no, let's start it

581
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: like we did Barbaran. Now Barbara is Bob Bob bah.

582
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: So I said, let's do round round, get her around.

583
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: I get her around. So I came up with that

584
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: concept and that hook, and of course he did beautiful

585
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: stuff with the harmonies with it, and it came together beautiful.

586
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: I wrote the words to the verses, and so it

587
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: was a true collaboration. He had the I get around

588
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: from town to town. I'm a real cool head. I'm

589
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: making real good bread. I came up the round round,

590
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 2: get a round part and the lyrics of the verse.

591
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Murray is the manager at this point. He is

592
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: portrayed as a tyrant somewhat abusive. What was your experience?

593
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: He was a tyrant and somewhat abusive to his kids.

594
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: Mainly they built bore the brunt of it. But he

595
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: wasn't nice to me. See, I wrote every single syllable

596
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: to surf in USA, but I was not I was

597
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: not credited, nor was I credited or to help me

598
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: Rondo or California girls or I get around. Murray took

599
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: over the publishing. I didn't even know what publishing was.

600
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: Come from a sheet metal family background, didn't even know

601
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: what publishings. I knew he had to sign a you know,

602
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: sign your name to a songwriting contract, but that was

603
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 2: the extent of my knowledge. I didn't know the value

604
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: of publishing, and I rely on my uncle and my

605
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: cousin to take care of that part because, you know, frankly,

606
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything, and my uncle Murray knew stuff

607
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: about that, but he really mistreated me, and he ended

608
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: up selling The Sea of Tunes, which destroyed Brian Wilson emotionally.

609
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: But Murray was that way. He didn't care. He just

610
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: wanted something for himself, you know, and he did. He

611
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: got a few hundred thousand bucks and then he died

612
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: three years later.

613
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: And tell me about getting rid of him as the manager.

614
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: Well, Brian and I told him that we could no

615
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: longer have be manager. But the roay he got even

616
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: with me is to disinclude me on on the what

617
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: I did with Brian lyrically.

618
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: So to what degree has that been rectified now?

619
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: It's hard to say the percentage of the ones I

620
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: just enumerated have been rectified, but there's probably thirty or

621
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: forty more songs that have yet to be rectified. And

622
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: who owns those songs today? Universal Music they bought the

623
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 2: see if well A and m res Irving. Almo Music

624
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: bought Sea of Tunes in the late sixties and then

625
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: years later they sold sold their catalog of Beach Boys

626
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: songs and others to Universal Music.

627
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: I thought that as a lawsuit that Brian got something back.

628
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: Well, there was a lawsuit. Brian was under the control

629
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: of doctor Eugene Landy at one point in time, and

630
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: doctor Landy came up with an idea to go and

631
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: try to get the publishing back. But they they stopped

632
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: short of getting the publishing, and they took something like

633
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: ten dollars, which a lot of them went to attorneys

634
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 2: and stuff, and I don't know how much Landy got,

635
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: but they solicited me. They wanted me to cooperate with that,

636
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: which I did, and they were supposed to compensate me

637
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: and start paying me on these songs that I wrote

638
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: with Brian, but they didn't. So I was fortunate enough

639
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: to find an attorney who was able to pierce There

640
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: was some fraud involved, and rather than going to the

641
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: ugily details of that, I was able to overcome to

642
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: a certain degree. Maybe about thirty five songs. Okay, so

643
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: today universal loans of songs. There's the publishing share and

644
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: there's the writing share. That's right.

645
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: Are you getting paid on those songs today?

646
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: Yes?

647
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: And are you I'm sure you're happy to get paid

648
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: at all as opposed to Candix? Yeah, ripping you off?

649
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: But have you made peace with what you're making or

650
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: are you still sort of upset you today and can

651
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: get the credit and the money you want.

652
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: I am not happy with what happened to me, but

653
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: I am very blessed to have a healthy life, a

654
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: positive life. I've done six or seven thousand concerts over

655
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: the years as the lead singer in the live Beach

656
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: Boys group. So there's two groups, the recording group and

657
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: the live group. My cousin Karl and I were in

658
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: charge of the live group. He the musical side, made

659
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: the I would meet with the agents and managers and

660
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, where we're going to go and

661
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: who we're going to promote with. There's certain areas that

662
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: were controlled by very powerful promoters which you could not

663
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: go in without getting you know, you just couldn't buy

664
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: the right time at the radio stations or or the

665
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: rent the venue, but there were places that you go,

666
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: so it was I wasn't busy with that. I always

667
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: liked the live music part of things. The reason being

668
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: that the audience response is so amazing. It's so uplifting.

669
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: So I mean, all agents have a smile on their face,

670
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: they're singing along, So how could you not like that,

671
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: you know, So I've always favored the live music part

672
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: of it. The recording music of music is very necessary

673
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: you're in the studio. It's somewhat claustrophobic, I have to say,

674
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: but it's fantastic as far as getting the sound that

675
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: you want. And so the two different groups coexisted. Of

676
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 2: course when Brian was at his peak, it was just phenomenal.

677
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: If you listen to the there's a box set that

678
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: they put out years ago of the pet Sounds album.

679
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: They had just the vocals and just the tracks. The

680
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: tracks are amazing. You listen to us. How did he

681
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: come up with that? But he did, and the vocals

682
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: we labored over, like wouldn't it be nice? One section

683
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: for maybe twenty five takes to make it perfect. In fact,

684
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: at that point in time I called Brian dogg ears

685
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: because he heard stuff the human beings on them, you know,

686
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: so that it was okay? Yeah.

687
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: So was Brian always one step removed or was he

688
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: a normal kid and made a left turn?

689
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: Emotionally? What I think Brian is is extremely sensitive. And

690
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: he had a father was, as he said, tyrant, and

691
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: he would tell Brian that he didn't know what he

692
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: was doing, and that was so wrong because Brian totally

693
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: heard what he wanted to hear in that studio, and

694
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: you'd have a drunken Murray come in and try to

695
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: impose his will on things and stuff, and that's what

696
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: we had to get rid of him as a manager.

697
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: So but he was very sensitive, but he was also gullible.

698
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: People would come and turn him on to various things.

699
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: In fact, one of the last tours we were on,

700
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: I went to his room and there was a light

701
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: bulb and this and that paraphernalia, and I was thinking, WHOA,

702
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: this is not good. I was very angry. So he

703
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: was experimenting with things due to associates of his that

704
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: probably didn't have a well being in mind. Let's put

705
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: it that way, and that influenced him in a in

706
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: a not so great way. In fact, when we did

707
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: the pet Sounds album that was one thing, but the

708
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: Smile album, I came up with the term acid alliteration

709
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: because some of the lyrics were I don't know, I

710
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: couldn't relate to them. I think lyrics are meant to

711
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: communicate normally, and sometimes they get a little obtuse.

712
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so how did you feel about Van Dyke Parks

713
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: who wrote a lot of those.

714
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: That's the guy who inspired my term acid alliteration.

715
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: Okay, you know schizophrenia, assuming we that is his diagnosis.

716
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: Without going deep into Brian, it tends to occur in

717
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: the late twenties when Brian started to take a left turn.

718
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: Do you believe that element was always in there? Do

719
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: you believe it was drugs? What do you think changed them?

720
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: My personal philosophy, I don't know if it's true or not,

721
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: is that people think they're creative because the drugs they

722
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: took I say were creative in spite of it. So

723
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: he has an amazing amount of creativity. He could sit

724
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: down on the piano right now, and even though he

725
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: has a walker in a wheelchair, and he can't get

726
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: around very good. He can get around just fine on

727
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: a keyboard, and he has his talent, he has his abilities.

728
00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: But when you take a sensitive person and introduce him

729
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: to stuff that, whether it be LSD, cocaine, heroin, pot

730
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you don't know what the results are

731
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: going to be. Some people can do that stuff and

732
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: come out just fine and some people don't. And so

733
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: my cousin Brian, I think he shelved the Smile album

734
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: because he felt that he was doing the elements earthwater, fire,

735
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: and air, and we did a fire session and there

736
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: was a fire not so far away and he felt

737
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: that he caused it by doing the fire sessions. So that's,

738
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: you know, things that go on that make you diagnosis

739
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: paranoid schizophrenia. I don't know if that's the current term,

740
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: but that's what it is. You get paranoid from the

741
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: stuff you've been doing. I mean, we're all paranoid about

742
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: some things and whatever. Life is that way, and we

743
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: all have a fight or flight and adrenaline and maybe

744
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: too much fatigue, the blood of lactate and all that.

745
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: It's all physiological and cycle physiological. But if you put

746
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: something into certain people who are very sensitive to begin with,

747
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: and you don't know what the outcome is going to be.

748
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: Sometimes that outcome can be okay, but a lot of

749
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: times it's very destructive.

750
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: Okay. So an album called Smiley Smile comes out, It's

751
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: got good vibrations, heroes and villains. Then Wild Honey and

752
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: do It Again.

753
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love those songs.

754
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

755
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: So how does control of the about Darlin?

756
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, yeah, you know. But there's that, there's the

757
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: Friend's album, there's twenty twenty. What is the difference in

758
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: recording those records as opposed to, you know, before Smiley Smiled,

759
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: before Brian you know, went into his own world.

760
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: Well, we actually put a recording study in Brian's home

761
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: in bel Air and we were able to do the

762
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: Wild Honey album there. In fact, I went to the

763
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: kitchen and he owned a health food store called the

764
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: Radiant Radish at the time, and I opened the cabinet

765
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: because I was making some tea, and I looked up

766
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: and I said wild Honey, And I said, that's a

767
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: great title for a girl or a guy who's in

768
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 2: love with this girl and maybe his mom doesn't feel

769
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: the same way, like she's good enough for her son,

770
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: but he's intent on being with this girl. So I

771
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: wrote the lyrics while the guys were doing the track.

772
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: And that was because I saw that wild Honey and

773
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: I said, what a great title.

774
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: Now on that album, Carl starts to sing more. He sings,

775
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, I was made to lover?

776
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: He did.

777
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: Is that just happened naturally? Or is he feeling a

778
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: vacancy that Brian used? Tell and how do you feel.

779
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: That, Colonel Bryant. Carl, it was just his own force

780
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: of nature when I came to the vocals, I mean

781
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: sang the lead on God only knows, Okay, that's phenomenal,

782
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: sang the lead the lyrics, I mean the verses of

783
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: Good Vibrations, which went to number one. And I don't

784
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: know if you knew this, but as a psychologist in Sheffield, England,

785
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago said that Good Vibrations was

786
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: the number one song for making people feel good.

787
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Really, I didn't know.

788
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: All these years later, I'll take it. It's pretty amazing

789
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: and it's true it just puts a smile on piece

790
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: of people's faces. But at any rate, so Carl did,

791
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: I was I was made the lover, which the Stevie

792
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: wonder song. I thought he did an amazing, amazing, amazing

793
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: but Darlin I wrote the words that the guys did

794
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 2: the track, Well.

795
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Where did the words come from?

796
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: It was just a romantic, romantic poem that I came

797
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: up with, similar to the poem of good Vibrations. I

798
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: don't know if words could say, but Darling will find

799
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: a way to let you know what you meant to me.

800
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: I guess it was meant to be, you know that

801
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: kind of thing. So it was just a beautiful little poem,

802
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: a romantic poem about how special this squirrel made you feel.

803
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: I think sort of the sweetest songs.

804
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: Okay. Conventional wisdom is that you and Dennis butted heads.

805
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: How is your relationship with Dennis and how is your

806
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: relationship with Carl?

807
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: Carl was number of Dennis was a problem because he

808
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: did drugs and alcohol. We had to actually kick him

809
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: out of the group from time to time because he,

810
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: you know, he was unstable. But even it was interesting

811
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: even though he was had been drinking or something. If

812
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 2: we ever found ourselves together in a situation, he said,

813
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: let's meditate. He is the guy who called and said,

814
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: you know, I'd gone back to England. From Paris in

815
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: December sixty seven when he there his unise show there

816
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: and Dennis called and said, you got to come back

817
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: to Paris. I said, why because Maurice is going to

818
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: teach us to meditate. So you sure He says, yeah,

819
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 2: I think so. I said, we'll find out for sure.

820
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: So he did call me back a little while later.

821
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: He says, yeah, it's on it. Come in tomorrow and

822
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: you're supposed to bring fruit and flowers and a handkerchief,

823
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: and which we did. We got some flowers. There was

824
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: a Sunday and about the week before Christmas and Mari

825
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: she taught many of us meditation. He first he met

826
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: with us until it was told us what it was about.

827
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 2: Then he brought us back in and actually taught us,

828
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: which was fascinating, and I was the most relaxed I'd

829
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: ever been in life through the meditation. I said, well,

830
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: this is so simple to do that anybody can do it,

831
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: and if everybody did it, it'd be an entirely different world.

832
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 2: And that was his old plan, is to create something

833
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: that which could create world peace. So that really affected me.

834
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: But Dennis, because of that connection through meditation and we

835
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: uh even though he would go off the deep end,

836
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: literally and figuratively with alcohol and drugs. I mean we

837
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: had to. He was dating the girl who who would

838
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: introduce him to heroin, and we had to throw heroin away.

839
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: I mean our road manager I had to take and

840
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: throw it in the throw it away and as we

841
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: went into New Zealand because they don't look kindly importing

842
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 2: heroin there, nor do they like that in Singapore. And

843
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: the fact that says on the boarding or the entry

844
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: card that says importation of drugs is punishable by death, Yeah,

845
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 2: that'll get your attention. But anyway, so he had these

846
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 2: this he was very generous and all kinds of great things,

847
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: but and a lot of energy and charisma. But he

848
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: couldn't get off those dependencies and it screwed him up.

849
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: I mean he ended up drowning in the La Marina

850
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: and under the influence.

851
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: Do you think he did ship just to piss you off.

852
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: I don't.

853
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: I think he was just out of his mind through

854
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: the alcohol and the drugs. I don't think he did

855
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: it on purpose. I just think everybody acts differently. Some

856
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: people go to sleep if they drink too much, and

857
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: some people get crazy when they drink too much. Well,

858
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: he was a crazy part.

859
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go back to the beginning. How does al

860
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: Jardine leave the group replaced by Dave Marx in the

861
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: Al Jardine come back and replace David Marx.

862
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: Well, he thought he'd be best off going to dental school,

863
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 2: so he'd quit the group after surfing came out. And

864
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: there was a neighbor of the Wilson's where David Marx

865
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 2: lived across the street, and they used to play guitar

866
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: with Carls. He was a real natural fit. So he

867
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 2: was a rhythm guitarist and he really nice guy. Another

868
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: fellow who you know, let his you know, didn't maintain

869
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: his sobriety. So great and it's been through a rough

870
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,479
Speaker 2: time for a lot of his life. But a great

871
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: guy and a good guitar player. But his parents were

872
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: I mean, he was a very young guy, fourteen fifteen

873
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: years old, and his parents were vigilant. And Murray was

874
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: doing what he wanted to do with the group and

875
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: they didn't approve of it. So Murray set it up

876
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: to fire David and brought out Jardine back in not

877
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: as a principal but as a paid employee for a while.

878
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: Before he became a full partner.

879
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: So was said that he wanted Al Jardine in the group.

880
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: Where did he really want David Marks out?

881
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: He wanted Dave Marks out because I think his parents

882
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: were or not, you know, in favor of the whimery

883
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: was treating him. But the thing is, Ellen Jardine has

884
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: a great voice. He's an amazing singer, and so he

885
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: could you know, people can sing a note, but can

886
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: they blend. He could blend with Carl and Brian and

887
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: myself very well. And so yeah, it was it was

888
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: a good addition there. So can you tell us about

889
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: the two versions have helped me? Ron It comes out

890
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: on Beach Boys Today in one version, then there's a

891
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 2: hit version which is included in Summer Days and Summer Nights.

892
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: That's right, Well helped me run to the original version

893
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: was what it was. But we thought we could have

894
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: a little bit and I came over with a couple

895
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: of ball pop bops and stuff. I wrote the words

896
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: and Brian did the track and we all did the

897
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 2: harmonies together. So we just thought it was a song

898
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: that we thought we could do just a little bit

899
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: more with and it worked out. It went to number

900
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: one and Al Jordane sang the lead on that one,

901
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: by the way.

902
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: Right, That's why I brought it up, Okay, Brian is

903
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: often never never Land. You have this incredible string of hits,

904
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: the music itself starts to change. There starts to be

905
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: underground FM rock radio. There are bands that don't have

906
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: conventional top forty hits. To what degree do you feel

907
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: internal pressure and external pressure to create top forty hits?

908
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: And to what to where are you paying attention to

909
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: all these bands, whether it be Cream, there is a

910
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: million of them that are on the FF.

911
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean the thing is, I think u

912
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: uh egotistically, you always want to have a number one record.

913
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: Sure you're going You're going to go for it, and

914
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: but you talk about the times are a change, and

915
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: Bob Dylan said it and uh and so things did

916
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: change in that that album Oriented Rock came along and

917
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: we did a few things that resonated pretty well with that.

918
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: But at that point we didn't have Brian in the

919
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: in the producer chair. It became more democratic, shall we say. So,

920
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: we'd have Al come up with a couple of tunes

921
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: like California Saga and the on one album and you

922
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: have Bruce come up with a couple of great songs,

923
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: and and then Carl of course come up, came up

924
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: with some nice stuff, and Dennis at his own album

925
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: and we did forever with him. In fact, that song

926
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: was played on Full House and Uncle Jesse got married.

927
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: At any rate, we just did it at the Beach

928
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: Life festivals, you know, backing up Staymos anyway, so it

929
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: became a little bit more democratic, shall we say? It

930
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: was different than the early to mid sixties.

931
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: Okay, your contract with Capital is over, You form your

932
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: own company, Brother Records. You put out Sunflower, which is

933
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: on Warner Brothers.

934
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: Yes Forpries.

935
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: You know. To me, I listened to that. I'm all

936
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: the time, isn't it time? It's got all this stuff?

937
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: What was the experience on your side of the fact?

938
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: Was Mo Austin disappointed? Did you believe it had the

939
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: commercial success you wanted it to have.

940
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't think we had any commercial success to speak

941
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: of at that time, I think, But I think there

942
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: are a lot of little gems on these albums. You

943
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: know that one and Holland and you know Beach Boys today.

944
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: All the there's always a really sweet song or two

945
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: or three.

946
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: Okay, just to go back one more time, tell us

947
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: about Brian leaving the touring group. That was nineteen sixty four.

948
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: He was having what they call a nervous breakdown touring

949
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: and stuff, and also there were some things that were

950
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 2: making him feel a little weird in addition to touring,

951
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: so he left obstensibly to spend more time producing records

952
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: and arranging and recording, which worked out beautifully. But and

953
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: then Carl and I were, as I mentioned earlier, we were.

954
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: He was the musical director of the group at the time,

955
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: and I was more of the the lead singer and

956
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: the guy who got involved with all the the uh

957
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: live music touring stuff. Who were gonna Who's going to

958
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 2: be our opening act? I mean, we had some great

959
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: opening acts. Buffalo Springfield I saw a tour were Buffalo Springs. Yeah, yeah,

960
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: we're out Feerfield University in Connecticut. I was nineteen sixty six.

961
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: Also, we else was that Soul Survivors Expressway to Your

962
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: Heart exactly on that bill.

963
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: We had paid a half million dollars or a quarter

964
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: million anyway to get a nice live you know, the

965
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: as our music grew and as our the audience grew,

966
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: we need a better sound than was afforded by most venues.

967
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: So we spent all this money, and I remember Soul

968
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: Survivors getting our microphones down and banging them on the

969
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: floor and stuff. So, and they were going to be

970
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: the biggest crew in the world or something.

971
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: Right right, one hit wonder. So all of a sudden,

972
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the game is changing, music is blowing up

973
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: the fillmore East, it's announced it's going to close. You

974
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: guys end up playing the closing night of the film, Maurice,

975
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: How does that happen?

976
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: You mean with the Grateful Dead? Yeah, yeah, well we

977
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: were invited to join.

978
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, that was actually a different gig. Was this

979
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: was the final night you came on like six or eight.

980
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: The final night was the Allman Brothers. Oh but you

981
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: also played with the Grateful Dead on an earlier.

982
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 2: Yes, that was the one I thought you were meant

983
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 2: because that was quite memorable.

984
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: Well, so tell me about that.

985
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: That was great. I mean we did a few songs

986
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: with the Grateful Dead and they played along with us,

987
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 2: We played along with them, whatever it was it was.

988
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: But how did it happen?

989
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm not sure. I don't remember exactly

990
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: how it happened, except our management got an inquiry and said,

991
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 2: would youize guys like to join us? And so we said, yeah,

992
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 2: why not, let's do it.

993
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So the first album on Warner Brothers is not

994
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: commercially successful. The second album my Warner brother sirs Up

995
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: is okay. CIRs Up. The song is pulled from you know,

996
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: Leonard Bernstein Special years before, and there's success. Did you

997
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: feel there was you know, you're on one side of

998
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: the fence, consumers on the other. Did you feel the

999
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: momentum starting with the surs Up album?

1000
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: I think it definitely penetrated that aar field and it

1001
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: resonated with that whole genre of music. Yeah.

1002
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: So how did you write Student Demonstration time?

1003
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: The song Riot and so block number nine right was

1004
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 2: the inspiration for that. It was the same song except

1005
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: I rewrote the lyrics and the whole idea was, Okay,

1006
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: there's these problems going on in the world with the

1007
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 2: Vietnam and the integration and all these kind of things.

1008
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: But to put yourself in front of a tank or

1009
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: take your life in your hands, I mean, I just

1010
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 2: think it it's better if one finds more creative ways

1011
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 2: to resolve or solve problems hopefully then putting your life's

1012
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 2: and harms way. So that was the concept. Next time

1013
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: there's a riot, your best stay out of sight.

1014
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: Okay, the Beach Boys gain momentum. They're now playing arenas.

1015
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: Put out a double live out. This is the Beach

1016
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: Boys in concert. Okay, that's a double live album comes

1017
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: out at that time, and the Beach Boys are doing

1018
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: incredible live business. They're playing arenas. So did you feel

1019
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: that momentum and what do you think people finally realized

1020
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: how great you were? Remember what year that was, seventy three.

1021
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: I do remember that Reagan came into power at some

1022
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 2: point that during that time period, right, and his sort

1023
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: of general positivity kind of mirrored the positivity in our

1024
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 2: earlier music and later music as well, because we were

1025
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 2: almost always ex accentuating the positive in our songs. Maybe

1026
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: not in one hundred percent of them, but for the

1027
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 2: most part. So I think just the times changed again

1028
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: to favor our sort of philosophy in our in our

1029
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 2: body of music.

1030
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: Okay, The Being Flames put out on a Brother Records label. Ultimately,

1031
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: Blondie Chaplain and Ricky Fetar end up helping you out

1032
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: or being members of the group on Holland and Blondie

1033
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: even things sail on Sailor? Was that just an organic thing?

1034
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: How did they end up in the group.

1035
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 2: Well, Carl met them in London and they were performing

1036
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: there as a group. The Flame and Brother Records hired

1037
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: them or contracted him to do some music, which we

1038
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 2: did with them, and they in fact participated in that

1039
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 2: coincided with Dennis screwing up his hands so he literally

1040
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: could not drum. So Ricky Fatar, who was a great

1041
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 2: guy and a fantastic singer, he played the drums and

1042
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,839
Speaker 2: Blondie he came in with his guitar and his soucial

1043
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 2: voice and he really tore it up. I thought it

1044
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: just added a whole different dimension of the Beach Boys.

1045
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 1: Music. And how do he end up singing sale on Sailor?

1046
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: I think his voice was just perfect for it. And

1047
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: the story is that that song was written pretty much

1048
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: after the album was complete they went to Brian. Is

1049
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: that a true story?

1050
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: I don't recall. I wasn't totally involved with that, Okay.

1051
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: Jack Riley is involved in the group at this point

1052
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: in time as a manager. He even sings a song.

1053
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 2: Day and Life of the Truth, right, So what's your

1054
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 2: take on that. Well, he was an aor guy out

1055
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 2: in LA and he actually did some great lyrics with

1056
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 2: Carl Wilson and some of Carl's stuff because Carl that

1057
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 2: wasn't particularly astute lyrically, but he was musically is great

1058
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 2: and vocally obviously brilliant.

1059
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: But or you know, yeah, so he was helped out

1060
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: a lot by So how did you feel about him

1061
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: singing a Beach Boys song?

1062
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was weird. I thought it was weird,

1063
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: but hey, people do wear things from time to time,

1064
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 2: you know.

1065
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 1: Okay, So in the summer of seventy five, Capitol puts

1066
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: out a double album Greatest Hits on the Beach Boys.

1067
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: It becomes it was a seventy four or seventy five.

1068
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go on record. For some reason,

1069
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: I thought, I think it's seventy five, to be honest

1070
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: with you, but it's gigantic.

1071
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: Unless summer right.

1072
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any input or are they just doing

1073
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: it under contracting or sitting at hole.

1074
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: No. I had plenty of input because one of the

1075
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 2: things I always thought, it's good to have an album that, like,

1076
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 2: when you do a concert, you want one song to

1077
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: support the next song, you don't want it to overwhelm

1078
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: or you know, you don't go four o nine and

1079
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 2: that Gonnelly knows, and I get around you go, Gonnelly

1080
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 2: knows Sloop John B. Wouldn't it be nice you go?

1081
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 2: So I would? First of all, I named the album.

1082
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: Tell us how you named it?

1083
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 2: Well, they were going to call it Beach Best the

1084
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 2: Beach Boys Volume three or something, right, I said, there's

1085
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 2: no such thing. But if you call it Endless Summer,

1086
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 2: all these songs that people enjoyed for so many years

1087
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 2: in the sixties and now it's the seventies, that people

1088
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: who are just getting into music are going to think

1089
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: of this as a new album, and when they listen

1090
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: to it, we're going to sequence it so that it

1091
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: gives a really nice lift to the person who's the listener.

1092
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: And you know, you're able to feature your ballads but

1093
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: also your your mid tempo and your up tempo on

1094
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: they And so my my deal was in doing concerts

1095
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 2: is to work on the set list every night, and okay,

1096
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 2: which songs are twelve sing songs, so you don't have

1097
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 2: to go back and forth doing it. I used to

1098
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 2: call it the guitar change ballet. Anyway, so we would

1099
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 2: we would plan on it like that. And so that's

1100
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 2: what I came up with the album title Endless Summer

1101
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: because there was a huge movie called Endless Summer. It

1102
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: was a surfing movie, right, So it just made a

1103
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: lot of sense to me. And then I did I

1104
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: helped do the sequencings of the album too.

1105
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: Okay, but it took over the summer.

1106
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was three million coffee rights and a million

1107
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 3: and I'm sure that you had no expectations would be

1108
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 3: that big. No, we didn't, not in the beginning, but

1109
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 3: we were loving it. We still recall us recent tours

1110
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 3: in the summer gold and it's true. I mean, so

1111
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 3: many of those songs people still love to this day.

1112
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: Okay, So then it's Brian is back, There's fifteen Big Ones,

1113
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: and there's Beach Boys Love You. What was your experience

1114
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 1: on those records?

1115
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 2: Fifteen Big Olins is pretty cool? You know. I enjoyed

1116
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: working on that record with Brian, I said, Brian, we

1117
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 2: did pretty good with with Chuck Berry and us, why

1118
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 2: don't we do rock and roll music? And I went

1119
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 2: the top five, which is pretty good beatles of their version.

1120
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: Chuck Berry obviously is the original but rock and roll music.

1121
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 2: It was a big hit for us. And what was

1122
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:59,839
Speaker 2: it about? Six maybe I fear exactly how many original

1123
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 2: and somebody covers?

1124
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,839
Speaker 1: You know? And then Brian is back. There's a special

1125
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: featuring Belushian Ackroyd. The album is called Beach Boys Love You.

1126
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: How did you feel about that?

1127
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty funny that they rusted him

1128
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 2: fa failure. Yes, that's hilarious.

1129
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: Classic and he was let's go surfing now everybody's starting

1130
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: out coming to Safari with us.

1131
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really fun. I thought it was amazing.

1132
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but then Brian starts to fade a little bit.

1133
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: Ultimately you do La the Light album and you do

1134
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: a disco version of Here Comes the Night.

1135
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 2: Bruce actually did that one, Okay, Bruce Johnson took over

1136
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: that dealer.

1137
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: And in retrospect, good decision, bad decision, irrelevant.

1138
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the greatest decision ever. I mean,

1139
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 2: you know, the Beg's were the disco kings, right yeah, yeah,

1140
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 2: so no, it was, but it was the genre. I

1141
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 2: guess it was, you know, an attempt to be part

1142
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: of the genre, you know, although that's long since gone

1143
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 2: right right sure? And in the Summer album and the

1144
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 2: Sounds of Summer album lives on.

1145
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me about Glenn Campbell being in the group

1146
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: and then being replaced by Bruce Johnston.

1147
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: Glenn Campbell was one of the Wrecking Crew. He was

1148
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 2: one of the greatest musician, unbelievable guitar player, but he

1149
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 2: also sing really well. He could sing high, like as

1150
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 2: in falsetto that Brian did, and so we needed somebody

1151
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 2: to be able to take over for Brian for a

1152
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: few months before we found a more permanent replacement. So

1153
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: Glenn built in from sixty four to early sixty five,

1154
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, like, and Bruce joined us in The first

1155
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 2: song he sang with was California Girls in nineteen sixty five.

1156
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, Glenn was with us for a

1157
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: while and he was great. He was so funny, he

1158
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: was so such a brilliant musician. He played bass with us,

1159
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 2: just like Brian played bass, because that's what we needed

1160
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 2: bass player. So that was nothing for him to do.

1161
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, people will guitarists will listen to

1162
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: his guitar playing, they say, how the hell do he

1163
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: do that? So and the greatest thing about it was

1164
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 2: his sense of humor at the time, he kept us

1165
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,839
Speaker 2: in stitches at Arkansas farm Boy humor. It was hilarious.

1166
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: But he was a true genius musically, true genius. It

1167
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 2: was the greatest.

1168
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: So did he say, you know, I want to leave

1169
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: and have my own solo career. How did he end

1170
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: up va?

1171
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 2: Well, he was on his way to becoming Glenn Campbell,

1172
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 2: you know, own what do you call golf thing going

1173
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 2: on and great records and hugely successful. So yeah, but

1174
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 2: he was destined to be a huge star. But he

1175
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: was a blessing to have for a little while there

1176
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty five.

1177
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: And how did you get Bruce in the group?

1178
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 2: I met Bruce in Las Vegas and I said, we

1179
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 2: need somebody to fill in for my cousin Brian. We've

1180
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 2: had link Glenn Campbell for a while, but he's he's

1181
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: not going to do that permanently. So he called around

1182
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: and he couldn't find anybody, said, well, let me try it.

1183
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 2: So he we hired him and he went and learned

1184
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 2: to play bass for the gig. And in fact I

1185
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 2: went to see him and we were in Florida and

1186
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 2: I went to his room to see how he was doing.

1187
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: And he had the TV and the bed u. I said,

1188
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 2: what's the TV doing in the bed? He says, well,

1189
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: it's not well And I should have run at that point,

1190
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 2: but it didn't, you know. But anyway, he very gifted musician,

1191
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: you know, got a Grammy for writing. I write the songs,

1192
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 2: you know.

1193
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: And he.

1194
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 2: Did some beautiful songs on on our albums, really nice ones.

1195
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean they weren't typical Beach Boys songs, but they're

1196
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 2: they're his style of writing.

1197
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the end of really before the Cocomo era,

1198
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: you make one album with James William Guercio, Keeping the

1199
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,480
Speaker 1: Summer Alive. How was that experience?

1200
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: That was interesting? It was Carl writing with what was

1201
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 2: it the guys from Canada taking care of business and

1202
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 2: working on bt O Bachman Turner Overdive. Yeah, so Randy

1203
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 2: Bachman he just said a lo to us. We just

1204
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: did a tour in Canada month or Sogo, and yeah,

1205
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 2: he was a writing partner on Keeping Summer Live with Carl,

1206
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 2: and I think it was great, good concept. I mean

1207
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 2: for the Beach Boys to we've been keeping the Summer

1208
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: Alive so to speak, for decades. Now.

1209
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go all the way back to being

1210
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: we go to sixty two, we go to surfing. You know,

1211
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: you're married, you got a kid, you got another kid

1212
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: on the way. It's on Candix Records, it's on Capitol.

1213
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: You have success. The four seasons on the East Coast

1214
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: have sort of big success. But you know, there's a

1215
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: lot of independent labels at the time, a lot of

1216
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: Top forty, and then the Beatles come in a what

1217
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: did you think of the Beatles coming in in their

1218
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: music and and you ultimately met the Beatles, Yeah, we did.

1219
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty interesting that they had a

1220
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 2: contest kf W Beatles or kf W Beach Boys. It

1221
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 2: was a competitions, a rivalry in a competition. We were

1222
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: on the same label, which is good for Capitol, Rutgers

1223
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 2: and AMI internationally. But they were fantastic and meteoric, right.

1224
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: They were huge for how many years, you know, and

1225
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 2: their music is their catalog lives on, you know, it's

1226
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 2: a fantastic one. In fact, the Rolling Stone magazine did

1227
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 2: that top five hundred rock albums of all time and

1228
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 2: Sergeant Pepper's number one and Pat Sounds number two. It's

1229
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 2: a good company. So, yeah, we we went to see him.

1230
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,879
Speaker 2: I remember Carl BLUs and I went to Portland, Oregon

1231
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: and met with him backstage. They were doing a concert

1232
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 2: there and John Lennon's voice was out and he says, well,

1233
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 2: when we get to that part of the song, shake

1234
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: your heads and girls of scream and no nobody even

1235
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 2: hear anything. But what are we talking about? Girls and cars?

1236
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 2: My cousin Carl had an Aston Martin dB five. Really yeah.

1237
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 2: George Harrison loved racing cars and I was an audio.

1238
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: I was an Anglo file when it came to I

1239
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: had a forty eight MG, thirty nine Rules Royce, an

1240
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,560
Speaker 2: x K E in the middle, this is all in

1241
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 2: the sixties, and a Jaguar Sedan.

1242
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, we were.

1243
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 2: We were rivals, but I think it was really positive.

1244
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 2: In fact, we had a birthday party at Carl Wilson's

1245
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: house he was renting in Malibu, and Paul McCartney came

1246
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 2: to that party, he and his wife Linda, and he

1247
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: says to Brian, who was there. He says, Brian, when

1248
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 2: are you going to give us some of the pet sounds.

1249
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: I was listening to the album going through Mohan Drive

1250
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: and tears coming out of my eyes, you know, so

1251
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 2: he loved pet Sounds album, and he loved Only Knows

1252
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 2: and What's Not the Life with Yesterday and all these

1253
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 2: great songs that he came up.

1254
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so you start in the early sixties, music starts

1255
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: to dominate at the culture in a way that people

1256
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: today can't understand. Are the Beach Boys their own thing?

1257
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: Are you now interacting with all the other hit acts?

1258
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't know about interacting. I've always thought that the

1259
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: Beach Boys are a sonic oasis. It's like its own thing,

1260
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:50,879
Speaker 2: and some of the songs are the potential to be immortal,

1261
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: and so you know, it's just it's coming from a

1262
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: place of love, the love of harmonizing together. I mean,

1263
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 2: forgetting the you know, whether you're famous or successful financially

1264
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: or anything like that, at the core, it's the love

1265
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 2: of the harmonies, and that I think gives a certain feeling,

1266
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: an uplifting feeling that people they feel it. I don't

1267
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 2: know if they intellectually understand it, but they feel it.

1268
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 2: You know, it touches them, touches their hearts. And you

1269
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 2: see that irrespective of the age, when you see a

1270
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: crowd of fifty sixty seventy thousand people singing along and

1271
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 2: having a great times. It's joyous and so that you

1272
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: know that I've always said were a sonic oasis. We

1273
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: weren't trying to keep up with anybody, weren't trying to

1274
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 2: put anybody down because they were doing so great or something.

1275
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: And there's always been people who were fantastic. I mean

1276
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: about Michael Jackson, you know, phenomenal and brilliant, and you

1277
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 2: know so many other people you can mention that We've

1278
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: loved all the music. I'm almost I was friendly with

1279
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: Marvin Gay.

1280
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: We did, but how does how do you meet a

1281
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 1: how do you meet him? And he was notoriously edgy personality,

1282
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: so how'd you get along with them?

1283
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 2: I'm gray with him. I smoked a joint with him

1284
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 2: at the Tammy Show out on a break and we went.

1285
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 2: We were on tour and in in Europe, and he

1286
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 2: was there on the tour we were on and we

1287
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 2: did silly things like you know how people set out

1288
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 2: their shoes to be shined at night. We would change

1289
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,679
Speaker 2: the people's shoes around and stuff. And this is Marvin

1290
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 2: Gay and Mike Love and so he he he had

1291
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,839
Speaker 2: he lived in Holland for a while because he was addicted,

1292
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: unfortunately to heroin, and so he could get what he

1293
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:08,560
Speaker 2: needed without being without it being a problem. But the

1294
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 2: I R S took everything from him. So we had

1295
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 2: some friends who were helping to get back together on

1296
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: tour and I went and visited with Marvin and he

1297
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 2: was He was telling me songs that he had come

1298
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 2: up with, which which were amazing, and and I actually

1299
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 2: went on and saw him on his final tour. That

1300
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: was the when he got home, that's when his father

1301
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 2: shot him.

1302
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:34,599
Speaker 1: What about Jean Berry?

1303
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: Jan Berry was very aggressive guy. He took Brian came

1304
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 2: over with the idea for Surf City and jan Berry

1305
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 2: took it over. And my uncle Murray wasn't happy about

1306
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: that at all, but yeah, but he was, he was.

1307
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 2: You know what the interesting thing about Jan and Dean was,

1308
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 2: it was Jan and Arnie originally with baby talk. But

1309
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 2: Jan and Dean I said, well, we can do is

1310
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 2: least as well as them. And they'll say there was

1311
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 2: sort of an inspiration. They preceded us by a year

1312
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 2: or two. And so when we did surfing, we said

1313
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: in Surf and SAPARi, we said, oh we can do

1314
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 2: as well as those guys.

1315
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: Can you tell us how we stole Surfing City.

1316
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Uh well, I think Brian was just open an open book,

1317
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 2: you know. He he would share anything with anybody, and

1318
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 2: he he you know, he happened to I don't know

1319
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 2: how that happened because I wasn't there, but he did

1320
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 2: to the two girls for every boy, that kind of thing, right,

1321
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 2: and got that song going and and Jan finished it up,

1322
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 2: of course, but uh yeah, Michael Murray was not happy

1323
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 2: with that. It was the number one song, right in

1324
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 2: a great song.

1325
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: So you're married, but you're on the road, and you know,

1326
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 1: today they had cell phone cameras. They didn't used to

1327
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: have that, but there are groupes opportunities. What's it like

1328
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 1: being an early twenty something guy out on the road.

1329
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 2: Well, that led to my first divorce. You know, I

1330
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: was married to my high school sweetheart and we had

1331
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 2: two children. But then it was a huge show what

1332
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: do you call it, temptation to be the lead singer

1333
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: in a rock group and early to mid sixties and stuff,

1334
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 2: and so I you know, I enjoyed that for a while,

1335
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 2: but then they got it to be a little bit

1336
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 2: you know, superficial and a little bit not the greatest,

1337
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,799
Speaker 2: and so I got remarried again and two more great children,

1338
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 2: one of which is performing with us. His name is

1339
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 2: Christian Love and he sings God only Knows beautifully and

1340
01:27:55,560 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 2: it harmonizes perfectly, and so it's a family tradition again.

1341
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 2: Still so yeah, so there is an element of that.

1342
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure that every group has been, you know, tempted

1343
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 2: to do things and you then after a while you

1344
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 2: understand what that is and what that means. And it's

1345
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: a lot of times it's ego. A lot of times

1346
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,560
Speaker 2: it makes you feel like you're a big star or

1347
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 2: something like that, or being you can be kind of

1348
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 2: charming for a night or two. But you know, so

1349
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 2: there was that phase. But yeah, I learned that that's

1350
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 2: not the greatest way. I've been married for thirty years.

1351
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 2: I've been together with with Jacqueline for probably thirty seven years.

1352
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: How many times have been married?

1353
01:28:55,240 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 2: I was married five times before meeting jocclin Well. One

1354
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 2: of them was in what do you do annuled?

1355
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 1: Okay, we live in California.

1356
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 2: You get divorced, you lose half of what you got,

1357
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 2: not necessarily.

1358
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: Not necessarily because you could have a pre existing contract

1359
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: and if we have, but divorce is expensive.

1360
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 2: Can be, but I haven't. I haven't found it to

1361
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 2: be a problem really that way, and and and you know,

1362
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 2: let's put it this way. We were so successful in

1363
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 2: the sixties that, you know, ultimately getting the publishing and

1364
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 2: the writing back for some of the big huts and stuff.

1365
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 2: It all works out. And we've always been continually touring

1366
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 2: all along. I've done several thousand shows over the years.

1367
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So you talk about George Herisin and you talk

1368
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:01,520
Speaker 1: about all the cars in your garage. Were the economics

1369
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: different then or were you just making so much money?

1370
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're making so much money. We're

1371
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 2: making enough money to go to England and order five

1372
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 2: or six rolls Royces.

1373
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: They were never cheap.

1374
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but they weren't as much as they are now.

1375
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 2: Maybe the money's uh not worth as much these days

1376
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 2: as it once was. But no, yeah, we were successful

1377
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,799
Speaker 2: enough to enjoy a lot of the perks of that success.

1378
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 2: But also you come to understand that that's that's not

1379
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 2: the only thing in life. I mean, because you may

1380
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 2: be doing well, but how is the world doing? You know?

1381
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 2: So that that really bugs me that we as collectively

1382
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 2: as the creative community, aren't doing enough to help help,

1383
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 2: you know, like we are the world. When we did

1384
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 2: Live Aid, we did our show from Philadelphia, they were

1385
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 2: singing along to us in Wembley Stadium. And so that's

1386
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: going to be re released. I think you probably know when,

1387
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 2: but more than most.

1388
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: Actually I do not know when that's going to be.

1389
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 2: So it's in the works.

1390
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:26,560
Speaker 1: So you've been married five times, well six six, excuse me,

1391
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 1: one was annulled. So what's the key to a successful marriage?

1392
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 2: Well, in my case, my wife was a nurse when

1393
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 2: I met her. She's brilliant and she's protected, and we

1394
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 2: have two great children together, and we have a together

1395
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 2: as a family. We have a club, Cocomo Spirits Rum

1396
01:31:55,240 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 2: primarily a line, and we're promoting that and my my

1397
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 2: son Brian is doing a fantastic job marketing wise there,

1398
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 2: and my wife and I are also involved with with

1399
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 2: him in helping to promote and be creative about things.

1400
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 2: And she's she's really creative and really great and and

1401
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 2: just a really devoted, great person. She's very spiritual in

1402
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,799
Speaker 2: her own way, and so that that's that's good stuff,

1403
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 2: you know, that's good stuff to warrant, you know, to

1404
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 2: have a good relationship where people love each other and

1405
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 2: care about each other and forego any other kind of

1406
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 2: situations that get complicated.

1407
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 1: So you're kind of saying like she keeps you in line.

1408
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, more than in line. She's she did pulmonary h

1409
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 2: what do you call it? The lungs she worked for

1410
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 2: When I met her, she was a nurse working for

1411
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 2: a doctor who is a pulmonary specialist. If I breathe

1412
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 2: the wrong way, she's on my case.

1413
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 1: And how many kids do you have?

1414
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 2: I have eight kids?

1415
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: And how's your relationship with all eight?

1416
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 2: Good? Yeah?

1417
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:26,919
Speaker 1: And are they off the payroll?

1418
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 2: Pardon?

1419
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Are they off the payroll? Oh?

1420
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 2: No, My son, Christian sings with us, right, yeah, and

1421
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 2: so and he's great. But my oldest daughters, my two

1422
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 2: oldest daughters both worked for Southwest Airlines really and then

1423
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 2: so you know, everybody's great and we all have a

1424
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 2: good time together, and we all spend the holidays together,

1425
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 2: you know.

1426
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: And where are you living right now?

1427
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 2: I live in Inclined Village, Nevada.

1428
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 1: Right Lakely. I'd you end up there? I went there

1429
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: as a kid.

1430
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 2: My father used to like this to fish in the

1431
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 2: Trucky River, and I just love that place all my life.

1432
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 2: I thought it was so beautiful, and so in nineteen

1433
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 2: eighty one I bought a property up there, so I've

1434
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 2: lived there full time for the last thirty years. You

1435
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 2: used to live in Santa Barbara, which is gorgeous, but

1436
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 2: California is also punitive tax wise in other ways as well,

1437
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 2: So we're enjoying it. It's clear air, fresh air, beautiful and.

1438
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: If you go on the road, you're an inclined village.

1439
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 2: How do you get to the gig Reno? I drive

1440
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 2: down of Reno and take any number of airlines wherever

1441
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 2: I gotta go.

1442
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: So you talk about taxes. Starting in the eighties, he

1443
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: came out that you were on the right side politically,

1444
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: right as opposed to left, as opposed to correct or incorrect. Man,

1445
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: you would not come out politically to the general public

1446
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: before that. What are your political beliefs? And do you

1447
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: believe making political statements is good, bad, necessary, unnecessary?

1448
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 2: Mainly in terms of politics. I remember a guy coming

1449
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,480
Speaker 2: up to me when we did a place coach in Chautauqua,

1450
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:39,879
Speaker 2: New York. There's a nice amphitheater there. It's a Christian community,

1451
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 2: goes back over one hundred years, and he came up

1452
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 2: to me and said, you know, I was really happy

1453
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 2: to come to a concert and not have to hear

1454
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 2: anything about politics. So I have a philosophy about what

1455
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 2: we say in public from the stage, which is no politics,

1456
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 2: because I know there are people, you know, on this side,

1457
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 2: that side, the other side, all kinds of sides and

1458
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 2: opinions and everything. I think our job is entertained and

1459
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 2: be positive and you know, literally create those good vibrations.

1460
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:26,799
Speaker 2: So I don't like to do anything in a concert

1461
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 2: setting that you know, might make people feel uncomfortable one

1462
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 2: way or the other. So but on the other hand,

1463
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 2: you know, we've performed for Donald Trump's fiftieth birthday party

1464
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 2: in Atlantic City. He has been nothing but nice to us.

1465
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 2: And I understand that these things are going I mean,

1466
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 2: unbelievably climactic changes are going on, but that's the nature

1467
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 2: of the relative, the nature of the material world, and uh,

1468
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 2: there's always going to be changed and always going to

1469
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 2: be upheaval. Unfortunately, there's always been negative stuff going on.

1470
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 2: So personally, if I have an experience with somebody, whether

1471
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 2: there left, right or middle or or nothing, then then

1472
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 2: that's that's there. What do you call it? That is

1473
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 2: their right to be the way they want to think

1474
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 2: and act and what they want to get involved with.

1475
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 2: I think it's sad that there's so much vilification that

1476
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 2: that's it's it's not good. It's not good. There's too

1477
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 2: much negativity going on. I mean, you should be able

1478
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 2: to have a I mean, that's what free freedom of

1479
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 2: speech is all about. You should be to say what

1480
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 2: you want to say. And you may not like what

1481
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 2: you're hearing, but it's good if you can at least

1482
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 2: allow a person to express themselves and you're going to

1483
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 2: do what you want to do anyway, and you're whatever

1484
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:18,679
Speaker 2: group you're affiliated with is going to do what they're

1485
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 2: going to do. They're not going to change their minds

1486
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 2: because somebody's vehement proposals. So I just think it's I

1487
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 2: guess it's from years of meditation. I just like to

1488
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 2: transcend a come out and be positive and try to

1489
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:41,639
Speaker 2: do the best I can to be a good person

1490
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 2: and try to help out with our celebrity where we may.

1491
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 2: But you know, so we were invited to do New

1492
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 2: Year's Eve actually the Saturday before New Year's Eve at

1493
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 2: mar Logo. So we did it and people loved it.

1494
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 2: And I've got lots of compliments, but that doesn't mean

1495
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 2: that we're going to do stuff on stage that that

1496
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:13,679
Speaker 2: that are pro anything.

1497
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: Well, a gig is a gig. If you've got a

1498
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: offer to play for Nancy Pelosi, would you play for her?

1499
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 2: I'm not sure she does gigs.

1500
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean, she has a fundraiser and she says, we'll

1501
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 1: pay your fee to come perform.

1502
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. That's a hypothetical question,

1503
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 2: I think, But I.

1504
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 1: Let me put it a different way. Is it gig

1505
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 1: A gig someone's going to pay you, Are you going

1506
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: to show up? Or are you going to say? Hmm,

1507
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I approve of that person.

1508
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 2: Well, it depends. It would depend on the situation and

1509
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 2: who's involved and what their their purposes are. I mean,

1510
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 2: I'm not a believe me. I'm I'm all about doing gigs.

1511
01:39:56,600 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm you know, right, But anyway we I mean, you know,

1512
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 2: Howard Stern said he was going to talk to anybody

1513
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 2: who was pro Republican or something. I think that's wrong,

1514
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, Howard's great and brilliant and very

1515
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 2: well to do, but that's not the right attitude. I

1516
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 2: don't think or somebody in a public situation. But he's

1517
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 2: entitled to and do and say what he wants, so

1518
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 2: he did. I just don't think it's very uplifting because

1519
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,560
Speaker 2: you can have a nice dialogue with somebody, in a

1520
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 2: conversation with and even an argument. But and that's okay,

1521
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 2: because that's what our country's been all about for many

1522
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 2: a years.

1523
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 1: Okay, but you've mentioned a couple of times peace in

1524
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: the world, and we don't have peace, right You talked

1525
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 1: about we are the world being positive. What can we

1526
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 1: do as a culture, as entertainers, performers to advance the

1527
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:06,759
Speaker 1: cause of peace in the world.

1528
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I learned meditation from Marishi. I

1529
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 2: was invited to go in India. He was talking about

1530
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 2: world peace at a time when there was all this

1531
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 2: stuff going on. And this is after Good Vibrations in

1532
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six where they were talking about nineteen sixty eight,

1533
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 2: and so Marishi came over with the formula for world Piece,

1534
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 2: which involves a lot of people meditating the same time

1535
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:42,679
Speaker 2: in the same place, doing a thing called the TM

1536
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 2: hyphen Sidhi Tmcity program. And if enough people do that

1537
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 2: together at same time place, it creates so much positivity

1538
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 2: in the atmosphere that the negativity falls away. Now has

1539
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 2: it been done, not to any great degree, but once

1540
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:06,640
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty three, and over the Christmas holidays it

1541
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 2: was and the war deaths went down, traffic deaths went down,

1542
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 2: hospital and missions went down, all kinds of indications of

1543
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 2: positivity through this group. There were over seven thousand people

1544
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 2: meditating during the TM City program. So you know, I

1545
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 2: went to a six month long meditation course to learn

1546
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 2: the Tmcity program in nineteen seventy seven, three months in

1547
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 2: Switzerland and three months in no three months in France

1548
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 2: and three months in Switzerland. And it was very interesting

1549
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 2: because this, if you're able to do get that many

1550
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:53,719
Speaker 2: people to meditate together, it creates an amazing, super radiant effect.

1551
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 2: It's pretty mystical and pretty fantastic. So the possibility exists

1552
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 2: to have the world peace. The possibility will humanity get there?

1553
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 2: We don't know. It's I don't know if you ever

1554
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 2: had anybody talk about the Vedas, these ancient scriptures. Well,

1555
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:19,600
Speaker 2: there's a thing called Caliyuga, which is a period of

1556
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 2: time started about five thousand years ago, and all the

1557
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 2: negativity you see in society and life, and you look

1558
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 2: out on your phone every day and you see these

1559
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 2: horrible things that have happened. That's a symptomatic of caliyuga.

1560
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 2: There's a thing called sought yuga, which is all positivity

1561
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 2: and peace on earth and no crime, no disease, no starvation,

1562
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 2: no nothing negative sought yoga. Marisha came in to set

1563
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 2: it up to have to create sought yoga within Caliyuga.

1564
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 2: Now Coliuga goes for four hundred and twenty thousand more

1565
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 2: years of negativetivity, but they'll be they're supposed to become

1566
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 2: five thousand years of peace within. You can sought yoga

1567
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:12,679
Speaker 2: within Caliyuga. So that's something was foretold by these ancient

1568
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 2: sages from India thousands of years ago. So you know,

1569
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 2: am I going to say that that's not the truth

1570
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:27,040
Speaker 2: or not going to work. I mean it, It hasn't

1571
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 2: been tried to any great degree, but I think it'd

1572
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 2: be awesome if if it were to be possible to

1573
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 2: have that many people. Like, for instance, if seven thousand

1574
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: people meditate together, it's like four billion, nine hundred million

1575
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:52,639
Speaker 2: people meditating because they're doing it together. Pretty amazing stuff.

1576
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 2: Sought Yugo within Caliyuga. You don't find a lot of

1577
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 2: people talking about that.

1578
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:00,680
Speaker 1: No, you don't, but you had, you know, you did

1579
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:04,719
Speaker 1: the MIU album. You know they had the Maharishi Center

1580
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:08,679
Speaker 1: in Iowa. Switching gears a little bit. You're an icon.

1581
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: You have also met icons. You talk about Trump, I

1582
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 1: know you knew Bush Bush won anyway. Oh yeah, So

1583
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 1: do you ever get starstruck and tell us about some

1584
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 1: of the most amazing people you met.

1585
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 2: Marlon Brando tell us that starstruck. We did the UNISEF show.

1586
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 2: That's where we went Marichi United Nations Children's Emergency Fund

1587
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,759
Speaker 2: in December of sixty seven. On the show is Marlon

1588
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:43,839
Speaker 2: Brando and his Tahitian bride and dancers, and Elizabeth Taylor

1589
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:49,599
Speaker 2: and Richard Burton, the Russian Red Army Choir, the Turkish Ballet.

1590
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 2: I think there were some great singers. There was an orchestra,

1591
01:45:55,160 --> 01:46:00,120
Speaker 2: a beautiful orchestra in this beautiful venue in Paris. And

1592
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:05,679
Speaker 2: when the curtain opened for our part of the show,

1593
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 2: there was Marichi in the front row with John Litt

1594
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 2: on one side and George Harrison on the other. But

1595
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 2: that night there was a party at at an embassy,

1596
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 2: and Marlon Brando was there and He says, you want

1597
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,560
Speaker 2: to go get some breakfast. This is Marlon brown A

1598
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 2: talking to Mike lover the Beach Boys, right, and I'm thinking,

1599
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 2: here's on the waterfront, you know, and you know Viva's

1600
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 2: Apoda and so many great movies. And he said, you

1601
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 2: want to go get some breakfast. I said, well, yeah,

1602
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 2: that'd be nice. But we didn't know anything about Paris.

1603
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 2: But he did. He says, well, yeah, there's a private

1604
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 2: party at Maxims to Pirie. I says. So he had

1605
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:47,959
Speaker 2: a Cadillac and vert will come out. This is December.

1606
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 2: Cadillac Bertivo comes up, pulls up. We got in some cabs,

1607
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 2: the Beach Boys crew and we went to Maxims to Peri.

1608
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:01,080
Speaker 2: So we there was a private party in this room

1609
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:04,600
Speaker 2: off to the right as you walk in. The restaurants

1610
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 2: and nightclubs still ahead. But there was this private party,

1611
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 2: and you had Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton, you had

1612
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 2: the director of the festival, and Victor Borgo, who is

1613
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 2: a Danish pianist and humorist. He was there as well.

1614
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 2: And Marlon Brado walks into the room and then this

1615
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 2: lady spread eagles herself for the entry of the room

1616
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 2: and says, oh, I'm terribly sorry. It's a private, private party.

1617
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:43,599
Speaker 2: So Marlon Brando takes a look at her and says, oh,

1618
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry. He says, in Tahiti, if one person goes,

1619
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,720
Speaker 2: everybody goes. It's like family. He says, I think I'd

1620
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 2: better leave, and he turns as if you know a

1621
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 2: Lee Strasper type urn. He turns as if he's going

1622
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 2: to leave, and she's going to lose Marlon Brando, Well,

1623
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 2: that ain't going to happen. So she let us all

1624
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 2: in and it made the party because you know, yeah

1625
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 2: it was. It made the party, and so that that

1626
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 2: was an amazing time. I thought that guy is about

1627
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 2: as cool as you can possibly be, and he just

1628
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 2: just with a little turn of the head, he got

1629
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 2: this alda cave.

1630
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 1: Well.

1631
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 2: The next day I was in the waiting room and uh,

1632
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:38,960
Speaker 2: waiting to border our flight to London, and who should

1633
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 2: be sitting there with Marlon Browno. So we sat next

1634
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 2: to each other on the way to London and I said,

1635
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 2: and I asked him, well, how are you getting into town?

1636
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 2: He says, I'm just going to take a cab. I said,

1637
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 2: why do you come with us? We had six Dameler

1638
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 2: limousines lined up and we drove into town. He says,

1639
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 2: you want to go to a party? Here we go

1640
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,800
Speaker 2: again and so yeah, I said fine, but let's drop

1641
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 2: our luggage. And so we had like ten suits and

1642
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 2: corner suites in the London Hilton and I came into

1643
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 2: the swit sweet to drop my bags and stuff and

1644
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 2: he looks one way and looks the other and he says,

1645
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 2: manucats really know how to travel. So that was amazing.

1646
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:22,920
Speaker 2: But he was That was the last time I saw

1647
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 2: him in person. That was nineteen sixty seven. But he

1648
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 2: was the coolest. You can't top that story, I don't think,

1649
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:33,479
Speaker 2: so the said store struck there.

1650
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll leave it at that. The Beach Boys made

1651
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:41,400
Speaker 1: a deal selling rights Irving Azos Iconic.

1652
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 2: That's right.

1653
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:44,840
Speaker 1: How do you decide to do that? And how's that

1654
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 1: worked out?

1655
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 2: Well, Brother Records at the end of it, it owns

1656
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 2: the Beach Boy's name and I tour. I'm given the

1657
01:49:55,800 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 2: license a tour as the Beach Boys by Brother Records. Well,

1658
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:05,680
Speaker 2: Iconic Irving games off about fifty one, which is a

1659
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 2: good thing because we were pretty dysfunctional, honestly. But he

1660
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 2: he organized that a concert that came out a year

1661
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 2: before last on Easter Sunday. It was there was twenty

1662
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 2: acts doing Beach Boys songs, which was great. And then

1663
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 2: he also did the deal with Disney plus documentary that

1664
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 2: was great. So he's they are working that, the group

1665
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:45,920
Speaker 2: Iconic is working on, you know, developing various things that

1666
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 2: we never did and so and they've done a great

1667
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 2: job so far.

1668
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 1: So how did you learn how to play the therem in?

1669
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 2: It was a little I didn't say a proper theorem

1670
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 2: and I a mogue, synthesize or did something with the

1671
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 2: little thing, and it was it was hard to do

1672
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 2: to hit the right note and not screw up and

1673
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,640
Speaker 2: sing at the same time. But I did as well

1674
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 2: as I could.

1675
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 1: So you're talking about the set list. If I went

1676
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:20,679
Speaker 1: to every Beach Boys concert, it's not identical set list.

1677
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 2: Pretty much a lot of the same components. But we

1678
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 2: might if it's if it's a outdoor venue, we might

1679
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 2: not do something subtle. But if it's indoor theater where

1680
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 2: you can see and hear everything, we'll do something more spiritual,

1681
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 2: more and more subtle.

1682
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then at this point, you performed some of

1683
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:46,879
Speaker 1: these songs thousands of times.

1684
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 2: What are your favorite songs to perform? I love California Girls,

1685
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:58,000
Speaker 2: I love I Get Around, I love surfing Usa, I

1686
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 2: love doing Cocomo. I love doing Good Vibrations Do It

1687
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,200
Speaker 2: Again went to number one in England, even though we

1688
01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 2: were transitting from Capitol Records to Reprise Records, and Capitol

1689
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 2: Records didn't try very hard in the US. But it

1690
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 2: went to number one in England, which is nice because

1691
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 2: the previous number one was Good Vibrations a couple of

1692
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:24,840
Speaker 2: years before that, so that's always a nice one. Our

1693
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 2: serving songs are car songs. I get Around, fun, fun,

1694
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 2: you know, Little Deuce, Scoop four on nine, shut Down.

1695
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 2: They're all good, They're all fun, and so I enjoy

1696
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 2: so many of them.

1697
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: I have been on stage where I've literally watched an

1698
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 1: act win over a disinterested audience. You hit the stage,

1699
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:58,320
Speaker 1: people know who you are, know what the songs are.

1700
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 1: Do you just have to stand up to the mic

1701
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 1: and sing? Or are you very attentive to what the

1702
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: reaction is and how you're performing me?

1703
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:11,160
Speaker 2: No, I don't assume that anybody knows anything about our music,

1704
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 2: or the Beach, Pizonous or anything. Our job is to

1705
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 2: create fans. I mean, if they're already fans, that's great,

1706
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:22,519
Speaker 2: and we're not going to disappoint them. We're going to

1707
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 2: recreate those songs as close as humanly possible to what

1708
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 2: you heard on the records or on the radio or

1709
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:34,519
Speaker 2: TV or ads or or soundtracks of movies. So, you know,

1710
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:36,720
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of young people who have seen us

1711
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 2: on full House reruns doing you know, Kocomo and I

1712
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 2: mean millions and so, but they don't know all the

1713
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 2: stuff that we just went over in the last hour

1714
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:52,639
Speaker 2: and a half or so. They just and I don't think,

1715
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,879
Speaker 2: I don't assume they would. I don't know old girlfriend

1716
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 2: who thought that Ringo might be black, you know, I

1717
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 2: mean she did know about the music business, and she didn't.

1718
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 2: It was it was past the Beatles, and you know,

1719
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:10,719
Speaker 2: it was you know, So that taught me a lesson.

1720
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 2: I said, people assume because they're they're successful and they

1721
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 2: had you know, hit records and stuff, that everybody knows them.

1722
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:25,280
Speaker 2: That's not true. I don't think. And and especially they

1723
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:28,559
Speaker 2: don't know the individuals. I mean, we have had fan

1724
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 2: letters from Russia, fan letters from China. I met a

1725
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 2: real estate agent in New Jersey who said he's from

1726
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:44,200
Speaker 2: Iran and they played our records in Iran in the

1727
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 2: summer where they went for summer vacation. I was, I'm

1728
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:53,880
Speaker 2: in the eighties. I met the Saudi Ambassador, Prince Bandhar

1729
01:54:54,520 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 2: Saudi Radi, Ambassador, Saudi Arabian Ambassador of the US in Washington, DC,

1730
01:55:01,160 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 2: and he told me, Mike, I'm a fan. I played

1731
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 2: your cassette in my Austin Hilly while going to school

1732
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:11,880
Speaker 2: in England. That's the ambassador from Saudi Arabia.

1733
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 1: Okay.

1734
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 2: And then when you added that Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Hall

1735
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 2: and Finland. We're going to Poland this summer. South Africa's

1736
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 2: South America, and like I said, China and Russia and

1737
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 2: all that, Japan. We've had records all over the world

1738
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 2: and people really like them still, but I don't ever

1739
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 2: assume that people really know us and and and our

1740
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:49,839
Speaker 2: job as performers is to recreate those songs. It's closest

1741
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 2: humanly possible to the records, and we're not everybody's cup

1742
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 2: of tea, but we're a lot of people's cup of tea,

1743
01:55:59,320 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 2: so a lot.

1744
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:02,680
Speaker 1: Of people to reproduce. They have a lot of backing

1745
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 1: tracks on hard drive, et cetera. What's your philosophy on that.

1746
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 2: We do all of our music live. I'm in the vocals.

1747
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:14,440
Speaker 2: We might have some click tracks to keep everybody in

1748
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:18,400
Speaker 2: sync a cup on a few songs, but yeah, we

1749
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of supplementation like that or sampling

1750
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 2: or aning of that stuff. We don't need it. We

1751
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:29,480
Speaker 2: have enough vocalists to recreate the vocal blend and harmonies

1752
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:30,880
Speaker 2: in the sound of the Beach Boys.

1753
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 1: So how many gigs a year do you do?

1754
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,720
Speaker 2: Now? Well, I've done as many as one hundred and fifty,

1755
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:40,600
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred and twenty this year. Perhaps, I don't know.

1756
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 2: I just do them. That's a lot of work, it is.

1757
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 2: The travel can be tiring. We just did a tour

1758
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:55,840
Speaker 2: of Canada, went from British Columbia to the Toronto area

1759
01:56:56,480 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 2: and it was not good. I was cold, it was

1760
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 2: we were taking overnight drives to escape snow that was coming.

1761
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:07,919
Speaker 2: So we're not going to do that anymore.

1762
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:13,840
Speaker 1: But well, some acts, it all depends on economics. They'll

1763
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: locate in one city, they'll take a jet, private jet

1764
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:21,840
Speaker 1: to different locations. Are you always flying commercial? You go

1765
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,879
Speaker 1: and buy bus? You're taking private jets, mainly bus.

1766
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:27,520
Speaker 2: If we're doing a lot of sequential dates, so we

1767
01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 2: try to make it so that it's reachable from one

1768
01:57:30,920 --> 01:57:33,320
Speaker 2: date to the other. Sometimes we'll have to take an

1769
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 2: all night drive to get to the next place. That's

1770
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 2: okay because when we get in the morning, we get

1771
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 2: to rest a few hours. Rest is a huge deal.

1772
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,800
Speaker 2: So my meditation and my rest. If I get that,

1773
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:48,959
Speaker 2: I'm good to go, and I can do innumerable concerts.

1774
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 2: But honestly, I'm eighty four years old, and so as

1775
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 2: I look down the road, I learned my lesson going

1776
01:57:56,560 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 2: to Canada at the wrong time year. So you you

1777
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:03,480
Speaker 2: learn new things every day and you learn your limitations,

1778
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:09,680
Speaker 2: and so I'll probably do less concerts, but specific to

1779
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 2: times a year. For instance, we're already getting offers for

1780
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 2: next February and March in Florida, and that's when you

1781
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 2: should go to Florida, right because all the people from

1782
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:25,480
Speaker 2: all the northern areas come down there, the snowbirds, and

1783
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:28,360
Speaker 2: that's great. So it's a great time to go.

1784
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:33,160
Speaker 1: At this late date, you've been on the road so much.

1785
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:38,400
Speaker 1: You're only on stage for an hour hour fifteen actually two.

1786
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:41,560
Speaker 2: Really we do an hour with a twenty minute in

1787
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 2: minute and intermission followed by another hour. Unless it's a casino,

1788
01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 2: they don't want you to do an hour and intermission

1789
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:54,440
Speaker 2: and another hour, which is two hours of music. They

1790
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 2: want you to do maybe an hour and a half

1791
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:59,720
Speaker 2: at the most. And so you just do mainly your

1792
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 2: hits and and they're happy, and people to come to

1793
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 2: see you, they're they're happy.

1794
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I've seen your two hours show. The last

1795
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:10,720
Speaker 1: time I saw you live was its stage coach last year. Yes,

1796
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:15,879
Speaker 1: so in a situation like that, that was one hour, right, yeah, okay,

1797
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:21,280
Speaker 1: eighty thousand people there. It was fantastic, unbelievable. So how

1798
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 1: do you entertain yourself twenty three hours a day, twenty

1799
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:28,720
Speaker 1: two hours a day, you're on stage for two hours.

1800
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:31,600
Speaker 2: That's the highlight? Well, I said, like I said, I risked,

1801
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:36,560
Speaker 2: I meditate, I'll do a little exercise, everything moderation, especially

1802
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:41,080
Speaker 2: exercise anyway. So yeah, it's just new normal stuff. You know,

1803
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:45,800
Speaker 2: family things and you know, calling your kids or talking

1804
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 2: to your wife five times a day. So it's it's

1805
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 2: all good. It's just normalcy. But our our particular way

1806
01:59:57,400 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 2: of life is a little abnormal, honestly, but it's great.

1807
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:06,080
Speaker 2: Because people feel good when they come to a Beach

1808
02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 2: Boys show around the world, by the way, which is

1809
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:13,000
Speaker 2: we're going to do five shows in Spain, We're going

1810
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 2: to we've never been to horse of Or we're going

1811
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 2: this year, and then Switzerland and Germany. A nice festival

1812
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:24,480
Speaker 2: in Germany, and then we're ten thousand people in England

1813
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:27,520
Speaker 2: coming to see us at Englefield, which is you know,

1814
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:31,960
Speaker 2: west of no east of London anyway, so we're having

1815
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:32,600
Speaker 2: a great time.

1816
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:35,360
Speaker 1: Well, you know, where's the strangest place you've played? I

1817
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:38,040
Speaker 1: mean in terms of my own travel. You know, it's

1818
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 1: great to go to London. Everybody speaks English places. I've

1819
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:46,920
Speaker 1: been to Bogata in Columbia and everybody I was with

1820
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:50,000
Speaker 1: had had a family member killed. It's like I felt

1821
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:54,600
Speaker 1: very alive. Yeah, So where are some of the couple

1822
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 1: of the exotic places you've been to that made an

1823
02:00:56,840 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 1: impression upon you?

1824
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 2: South Africa? You know, at the time we went, we'd

1825
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:04,760
Speaker 2: go to the beach and says blacks only or whites only.

1826
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:09,920
Speaker 2: But in the clubs and stuff, it was mixed, everybody

1827
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:13,520
Speaker 2: having a good time to the music. We played in

1828
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 2: a place African homelands, it was a big golf course thing.

1829
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 2: In fact, we met uh Sean Connery there at the time,

1830
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:27,680
Speaker 2: so it was an African homeless place. So it wasn't

1831
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:31,920
Speaker 2: apartheid was There's plenty of African leaders there in the

1832
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 2: in the in the concert. But we did our thing

1833
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:40,960
Speaker 2: and it was it's it was an interesting time to go.

1834
02:01:41,960 --> 02:01:42,160
Speaker 1: It was.

1835
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 2: It was before apartheid went away, but they they it

1836
02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 2: was it was interesting place to see and we're, of

1837
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,480
Speaker 2: course we're not pro apartheid or anything, but in this

1838
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:01,680
Speaker 2: particular place it was mixed. So we felt justified and going.

1839
02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:07,400
Speaker 1: Okay, you sang about cars. You talked about having all

1840
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:09,640
Speaker 1: those cars. What's the best car you ever owned?

1841
02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:18,280
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a rough one. Corvettes are really nice. X

1842
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:23,120
Speaker 2: K's are pretty groovy. But I had a nineteen thirty

1843
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:28,280
Speaker 2: nine Rolls Royce Limo that was pretty amazing with the

1844
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:34,320
Speaker 2: big huge headlines and stuff. That's beautiful. But I've had

1845
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:36,680
Speaker 2: some really great So I had a sixty two Bentley

1846
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:41,040
Speaker 2: which I had painted a certain way and it was gorgeous.

1847
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:45,120
Speaker 2: And I actually went to jail one time because I

1848
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:48,360
Speaker 2: was I just had my motor redone and I was

1849
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:56,480
Speaker 2: going from from north of Malibu to Oxnard, and there

1850
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:59,600
Speaker 2: was a straightaway for about five miles and I was

1851
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:01,840
Speaker 2: going about one hundred and forty five miles an hour,

1852
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:09,040
Speaker 2: and the California Hawaii Highway Patrol lights went on because

1853
02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:11,000
Speaker 2: I had to slow down. There was a town coming up,

1854
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:16,280
Speaker 2: and he pulled me over, handcuffed me, put me in

1855
02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:20,080
Speaker 2: his car, and he had he had a shotgun and

1856
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:22,800
Speaker 2: he was using that as an aerial for his boombox.

1857
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:27,520
Speaker 2: And on the radio comes rock and roll music and

1858
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:30,600
Speaker 2: I said, you know you hear that song? He says yeah,

1859
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:34,000
Speaker 2: he says. I said, well, you're just the rest of

1860
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:37,520
Speaker 2: the lead singer. He said, well, sorry, I don't know you, Mike,

1861
02:03:38,200 --> 02:03:40,120
Speaker 2: but yeah, I just wanted to see how fast that

1862
02:03:40,240 --> 02:03:42,280
Speaker 2: thing would go in I went pretty damn fast, but

1863
02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of times over the speed limits,

1864
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:49,120
Speaker 2: and that costs me a small fortune to get out

1865
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:50,320
Speaker 2: of going to driving school.

1866
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:52,120
Speaker 1: What kind of car was it?

1867
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:53,680
Speaker 2: Sixty two Bentley?

1868
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:56,480
Speaker 1: So that was the Bentley. He had one hundred and

1869
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 1: forty five at Bentley.

1870
02:03:58,200 --> 02:03:59,280
Speaker 2: They're made for racing.

1871
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:04,520
Speaker 1: Okay, you're going to die on stage? You're ever going

1872
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 1: to retire?

1873
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:11,360
Speaker 2: No, I'll retire, I'll retire. But see my philosophy. If

1874
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:14,240
Speaker 2: you can do it, great, If you can't do it, don't.

1875
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:19,280
Speaker 2: So the minute I can't sing California Girls right, or

1876
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:21,840
Speaker 2: I get around or fun, fun, fun or something, I'm

1877
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:24,840
Speaker 2: out of here, which is because I've certainly done enough

1878
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:29,120
Speaker 2: concerts over the years, and it's been a blessing, honestly,

1879
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 2: taking a family hobby which is all about the love

1880
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:37,160
Speaker 2: of music and create and morphed into a long lasting

1881
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:40,760
Speaker 2: profession which has been a blessing. And so many people

1882
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:44,720
Speaker 2: around the world and so many wonderful crowds, just as

1883
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:48,720
Speaker 2: recently as at the Beach Life Festival was beautiful, and

1884
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:51,160
Speaker 2: all these festivals. We're going to do some more this summer,

1885
02:04:51,240 --> 02:04:55,440
Speaker 2: and I mean there'll be thousands of people singing along

1886
02:04:55,480 --> 02:04:58,280
Speaker 2: to our song. That's pretty pretty amazing.

1887
02:05:00,240 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 1: Okay, you've been open and honest, you told all these stories.

1888
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:08,040
Speaker 1: As say, I'm a gigantic fan. I'll continue to listen

1889
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:10,840
Speaker 1: to the record. So great to have you here on

1890
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:12,200
Speaker 1: the show talking to us.

1891
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:15,600
Speaker 2: Mike, Thank you, Bob. It's an honor to be on

1892
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:16,080
Speaker 2: your show.

1893
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:20,480
Speaker 1: Listen, I can tell you Beach Boys stories and seeing

1894
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:25,400
Speaker 1: the Beach Boys from day one. You know, you know,

1895
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:29,640
Speaker 1: no you're not that old, not quite that old now.

1896
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:32,280
Speaker 1: But you know the song that I listened to, which

1897
02:05:32,360 --> 02:05:36,440
Speaker 1: is not is a Carl song, was off the Summer

1898
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:40,480
Speaker 1: Day Summer Nights. Girl don't tell me? Oh yeah, little girl,

1899
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:44,360
Speaker 1: it's me. Don't right, going to last.

1900
02:05:44,160 --> 02:05:47,080
Speaker 2: Summers have to be your grant.

1901
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:51,160
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, the sweet song really all that?

1902
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:53,560
Speaker 2: That's the one we don't do on the Endless Summer Elm.

1903
02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:55,920
Speaker 1: We don't do that, I mean, right, you know? Okay,

1904
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 1: So if I sat here and called out any song,

1905
02:05:59,280 --> 02:05:59,920
Speaker 1: could you sing it?

1906
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:00,800
Speaker 2: Which one?

1907
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:03,480
Speaker 1: No, any song from the catalog, any thoughts on the

1908
02:06:03,480 --> 02:06:04,360
Speaker 1: Beach Boys, free.

1909
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:07,800
Speaker 2: Enough, you sing the lead or not? If it's a

1910
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:11,320
Speaker 2: Carl song, if it's a dentist song, if it's l.

1911
02:06:11,400 --> 02:06:14,880
Speaker 2: Jardine singing or something. May I can probably do pretty

1912
02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:19,280
Speaker 2: good on some of them. But yeah, that's a hypothetical question,

1913
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:20,880
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have to do another program.

1914
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:26,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So any song that you don't regularly sing that

1915
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:27,600
Speaker 1: you wish was in the set?

1916
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:33,040
Speaker 2: All this is that And all I want to do.

1917
02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:36,480
Speaker 2: All I want to do is only bring good to you,

1918
02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:38,840
Speaker 2: to give you all the love I can help you

1919
02:06:38,920 --> 02:06:41,520
Speaker 2: in whatever you do. Sure as the sun will come

1920
02:06:41,560 --> 02:06:44,600
Speaker 2: around and start off another day. You can be sure

1921
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Speaker 2: that in my heart and so I love you in

1922
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Speaker 2: every way. Yeah, just one final thing. You're selling a

1923
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Speaker 2: message of positivity. You come across as positive. You do

1924
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Speaker 2: say earlier you're edgy guy. What pisces you off? Apathy?

1925
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Speaker 2: People who squander their wealth. There are over one hundred

1926
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Speaker 2: million displaced people right now. A guy named Bill Aremony

1927
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Speaker 2: started a company developed the company goals. Yeah, what's the

1928
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Speaker 2: one that everybody? Everybody contributes to shoot? Anyway? The point

1929
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Speaker 2: being he said, think to scale. So who's thinking to scale?

1930
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Speaker 2: All these genius billionaires who are one wants to go

1931
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Speaker 2: to Mars, wants we want to go somewhere else and

1932
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Speaker 2: and and you know includes me, I'm I'm apathetic like

1933
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Speaker 2: the next person. I'm doing well, I'm having a good time.

1934
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Speaker 2: My family's doing well. But we've got to get I

1935
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Speaker 2: think to scale a little bit better on how to

1936
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Speaker 2: get humanity to be kind to each other and to more.

1937
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Speaker 2: I wrote a song called Make Love Not War goes

1938
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Speaker 2: Make Love not War? What in the world is all

1939
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Speaker 2: the fighting for? Give piece of chance? The earth could

1940
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Speaker 2: use an evolutionary advance back in the sixties. It was

1941
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Speaker 2: during Vietnam. I remember brother Marvin saying, what's going on?

1942
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Speaker 2: War is not the answer. I distinguished, distinct distinctly heard

1943
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Speaker 2: him say. Yet the same old, same olds happen in

1944
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Speaker 2: the day. God to say. I'm grateful to the USA

1945
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Speaker 2: and all the folks protecting us every week, every day.

1946
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Speaker 2: But love's the only way to make hate go away.

1947
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Speaker 2: And that's why so many people are saying, make love

1948
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Speaker 2: not war. And it goes gov this everywhere. Pay no

1949
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Speaker 2: heed to the lack of opportunities for people in need.

1950
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Speaker 2: Musslm and his new Christian and Jude. Too many don't

1951
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Speaker 2: appreciate the other's point of view. You repot, you saw

1952
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Speaker 2: that's the truth. Indeed, to raise a new crop, we're

1953
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Speaker 2: going to need a new seed. Swords into plowshares. Instead

1954
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Speaker 2: of a fight, spread a little love and let has

1955
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Speaker 2: shed a lot of light. Make love not more. What

1956
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Speaker 2: in the world is allifining for give piece of chance

1957
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Speaker 2: here is could use the evolutionary events. So I really

1958
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Speaker 2: believe that. And if we can contribute to data coming

1959
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Speaker 2: to pass where more people are taken care of and

1960
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Speaker 2: not just you know, forgotten about, that'd be great.

1961
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Speaker 1: I think that sums it up. On that note, we've

1962
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Speaker 1: been talking to Mike Love, new member of the Songwriters

1963
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Great thrill for me, Mike, thanks so

1964
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Speaker 1: much for doing this. Think about it until next time.

1965
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Speaker 1: This is Bob left sus

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